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Princess Beatrice made her first official red carpet appearance with property developer boyfriend Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi as the pair joined the Duchess of Cambridge at the National Portrait Gallery on Tuesday evening
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Both are dressed to the nines.
The romance is still going strong then. Maybe an engagement by the end of the year!
At least Edoardo looks very confident. There was an occasion where he tried covering his face when the photographers were near.
Princess Beatrice Steps Out with Boyfriend Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-first-appearance-boyfriend-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi/)
Princess Beatrice makes FIRST red carpet appearance with boyfriend Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6801225/Princess-Beatrice-makes-red-carpet-appearance-boyfriend-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi.html)
Princess Beatrice is radiant in red as she makes first official appearance with boyfriend Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/fashion/royal-style/2019031270794/princess-beatrice-first-appearance-boyfriend-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi/)
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Princess Beatrice makes her first official appearance alongside new boyfriend at National Portrait Gallery ? Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/yorks/princess-beatrice-makes-her-first-official-appearance-alongside-new-boyfriend-at-national-portrait-gallery-117508)
Quote from: Curryong on March 12, 2019, 09:30:20 PM
The romance is still going strong then. Maybe an engagement by the end of the year!
@Curryong Exactly what I'm thinking. They look happy together. I really hope this is the right person for Princess Beatrice.
They look happy together, but it's hard to tell how the romance will pan out. They've known each other for quite a while and the drama with Edoardo's ex seems to have died down which is good. Just have to hope for the best.
Hoping that this is the right fit after her experience with Dave Clark.
Maybe Eduoardo is ready to settle down after the drama with his Ex. Beatrice is probably good for him because she is so familiar. We will see.
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This today:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6808993/Princess-Beatrice-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzis-loved-appearance-suggests-engagement-cards.html
I think Bea needs to think this through. He could treat her as badly as his ex.
Princess Beatrice should let this one go, in my opinion. Previous actions determines in all likelyhood future ones. Look at how he treated his ex-wife. If PB wasn't who she was would he still go out with her?
She is doomed, just like Charles and Harry are doomed by the 'treatment'; one for doing it and the other for taking notice of his actual wife's mailing the rings as this is the end to immediately proceed with the next big thing.
Quote from: Blue Clover on March 15, 2019, 01:49:14 AM
Maybe Eduoardo is ready to settle down after the drama with his Ex. Beatrice is probably good for him because she is so familiar. We will see.
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This today:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6808993/Princess-Beatrice-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzis-loved-appearance-suggests-engagement-cards.html
Please define
Engagement cards.
Quote from: wannable on March 15, 2019, 06:54:00 PM
She is doomed, just like Charles and Harry are doomed by the 'treatment'; one for doing it and the other for taking notice of his actual wife's mailing the rings as this is the end to immediately proceed with the next big thing.
Oh please. Nobody is doomed. Despite your negativity towards Meghan.
Did you want her to keep the rings Then you can lambaste her for being a golddigger.
It was the couple's business how the rings were returned. Nobody else's
Quote from: wannable on March 15, 2019, 06:54:00 PM
She is doomed, just like Charles and Harry are doomed by the 'treatment'; one for doing it and the other for taking notice of his actual wife's mailing the rings as this is the end to immediately proceed with the next big thing.
Edoardo is much better than Camilla and Meghan & their current husbands.
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Quote from: Blue Clover on March 15, 2019, 01:49:14 AM
Maybe Eduoardo is ready to settle down after the drama with his Ex. Beatrice is probably good for him because she is so familiar. We will see.
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This today:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6808993/Princess-Beatrice-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzis-loved-appearance-suggests-engagement-cards.html
i hope they expect being 2 years together before decide getting married
Quote from: sandy on March 15, 2019, 02:56:05 PM
I think Bea needs to think this through. He could treat her as badly as his ex.
@sandy Yes, she should be careful, hopefully he's not running from his ex into the arms of Beatrice.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 15, 2019, 06:05:59 PM
Princess Beatrice should let this one go, in my opinion. Previous actions determines in all likelyhood future ones. Look at how he treated his ex-wife. If PB wasn't who she was would he still go out with her?
@oak_and_cedar His past situation does not look good.
@LouisFerdinand They are predicting that an "engagement is on the cards"- means that something is very likely to happen.
@dianab I hope she gives it a few years before going through with a wedding.
Quote from: dianab on March 17, 2019, 05:22:57 PM
Edoardo is much better than Camilla and Meghan & their current husbands.
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i hope they expect being 2 years together before decide getting married
He has a different set of flaws. Camilla to me is the lowest of the low.
I understand he and his ex are on good terms. If Bea marries him. Then Sarah' daughters will both be much better married than Diana's sons. who'll imagine that in 1980/90s?
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Quote from: sandy on March 15, 2019, 10:33:09 PM
Oh please. Nobody is doomed. Despite your negativity towards Meghan.
Did you want her to keep the rings Then you can lambaste her for being a golddigger.
It was the couple's business how the rings were returned. Nobody else's
Well many things known about Windsor's and other royal families' private lives are really just their bussiness, so what? what diana, charles and camilla and andrew put up with each other is really their business... but people have opinions about how those bunch of people should led their PRIVATE LIVES.
I dont see as Meghan deserves any different treatment. People are entitled to see her as a user.
Much better married? REally? Jack, Meghan and Kate are OK. But this Eduardo and his ex had a baby, he ditched the ex. I think he is the worst of the lot. I hope Bea thinks this through and does not rush to get married because her younger sister married first.
Some seem to think the worst of Meghan.
I understand he and his ex separated when their son was a toddler aged 2 or 4?. Different than you're describing. Jack is much better than Kate and Meghan. This man also seems me better than Kate and Meghan... and of course he has 'pedigree'...
2 or 4 is not exactly being grown up.
Jack is the same as Kate and Meghan in my view. Lots of people have "pedigrees" not just Jack.
I may be wrong, but if it's a pedigree, Jack and Edoardo really have more than Meghan and Kate.
From the little that I know both Jack and Edo are from the aristocracy. So much so that Kate second sources was not well accepted on some wheels and Meghan quite an American actress.
Not that it means anything, but here we will say that we are talking about cradle and in a society that counts a lot.
Sorry about my English :blowkiss:
They are "from" aristocracy but not aristos themselves.
Quote from: sandy on March 18, 2019, 07:25:13 PM
They are "from" aristocracy but not aristos themselves.
How do you define aristocracy?
I'm not obliged to get into a school room with you where I have to answer an essay question. Look it up yourself. Jack is not an aristo. Period.
Quote from: sandy on March 18, 2019, 08:18:14 PM
I'm not obliged to get into a school room with you where I have to answer an essay question. Look it up yourself. Jack is not an aristo. Period.
Jack the husband of Eugenie is not an aristocrat.
But, this thread is about Beatrice and Edoardo
Quote from: jerry4 on March 18, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
I may be wrong, but if it's a pedigree, Jack and Edoardo really have more than Meghan and Kate.
From the little that I know both Jack and Edo are from the aristocracy. So much so that Kate second sources was not well accepted on some wheels and Meghan quite an American actress.
Not that it means anything, but here we will say that we are talking about cradle and in a society that counts a lot.
Sorry about my English :blowkiss:
You are quite right
@jerry4 in reference to Edoardo.
Edo is a purebred :D aristocrat.
Peerage News: Count Edouard Mapelli Mozzi: Princess Beatrice's boyfriend (https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2018/11/count-edouard-mapelli-mozzi-princess.html)
Quote from: sandy on March 18, 2019, 08:18:14 PM
I'm not obliged to get into a school room with you where I have to answer an essay question. Look it up yourself. Jack is not an aristo. Period.
I Ddont think I would agree.. He is descended from Thomas Coke, earl of Leicester and it seems there is a baronetcy in his family.. plus he has relatives who had court positons
Jack isn't an aristocrat in the strict sense of the word as he doesn't have a title, but the Brooksbanks certainly have aristo and upperclass connections.
An aristocrat does not have to have a title... that is a member of the Nobility... Jack seems ot have "well bred" relatives and ancestors who had titles, and jobs at court...
Jack is not an aristo. Having aristo "connections" is not the same as being an aristo. I don't get the push to "create" this man as an aristo. In the US there are countless people with aristo connections it is no rarity.
Definition of aristocracy.
Aristocracy | Define Aristocracy at Dictionary.com (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/aristocracy)
I agree hat Jack has upper class relatives and comes from the aristocracy, at least on the paternal side. However, IMO he isn't an aristocrat himself. He is from the upper classes. What 'special rank or position or privileges' does Jack hold?
Quote from: jerry4 on March 18, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
I may be wrong, but if it's a pedigree, Jack and Edoardo really have more than Meghan and Kate.
From the little that I know both Jack and Edo are from the aristocracy. So much so that Kate second sources was not well accepted on some wheels and Meghan quite an American actress.
Not that it means anything, but here we will say that we are talking about cradle and in a society that counts a lot.
Sorry about my English :blowkiss:
:welcome:
@jerry4. Your English is just fine. I hope you enjoy the discussion forum.
Quote from: Curryong on March 18, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
Definition of aristocracy.
Aristocracy | Define Aristocracy at Dictionary.com (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/aristocracy)
I agree hat Jack has upper class relatives and comes from the aristocracy, at least on the paternal side. However, IMO he isn't an aristocrat himself. He is from the upper classes. What 'special rank or position or privileges' does Jack hold?
I don't know why the push to make the man an aristo. Jack worked at a "normal" job.
Quote from: TLLK on March 18, 2019, 10:50:13 PM
:welcome:@jerry4. Your English is just fine. I hope you enjoy the discussion forum.
Oh, thank you so much. :flower: :blowkiss:
I already thought I had made a mess with the post
Quote from: sandy on March 18, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
I don't know why the push to make the man an aristo. Jack worked at a "normal" job.
that does not make him "not an aristocrat". He is from a family which has titles, some of them have been courtiers...
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Quote from: Curryong on March 18, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
Definition of aristocracy.
Aristocracy | Define Aristocracy at Dictionary.com (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/aristocracy)
I agree hat Jack has upper class relatives and comes from the aristocracy, at least on the paternal side. However, IMO he isn't an aristocrat himself. He is from the upper classes. What 'special rank or position or privileges' does Jack hold?
But there is no "special rank or privileges" now for the nobility.. though there was in days gone by. I would class someone as "upper class" and an aristocrat if they come from a family which has titles, or arms... and a certain level of wealth... usually wth some land in the family....
It seems to me when Eugenie and Jack married it was used in DM comments as a Meg bashing exercise. She was a "real blood Princess" and Jack was "superior" to Meghan. And now the reinvention of Jack as an "aristo" seems to be along these same lines. That WIll and Harry's brides were commoners and Jack is an aristo. So very bogus.
Quote from: sandy on March 19, 2019, 12:43:29 PM
It seems to me when Eugenie and Jack married it was used in DM comments as a Meg bashing exercise. She was a "real blood Princess" and Jack was "superior" to Meghan. And now the reinvention of Jack as an "aristo" seems to be along these same lines. That WIll and Harry's brides were commoners and Jack is an aristo. So very bogus.
Its hardly re invention.. since socially he would come under a definition of gentleman or aristocrat.. He is still legally a commoner. Kate and Meghan are middle class..
And Eugenie is royal.... so how can this be bashing Meghan
He's not an aristo amabel no matter how you slice it. He was referred to as a commoner in the articles about the engagement. Meghan is royal since she married Harry. Even though she is a "blood" Princess, Eugenie is not going to be doing royal duties.
Quote from: sandy on March 19, 2019, 07:44:38 PM
He's not an aristo amabel no matter how you slice it. He was referred to as a commoner in the articles about the engagement. Meghan is royal since she married Harry. Even though she is a "blood" Princess, Eugenie is not going to be doing royal duties.
yes of course he is a commoner. Unless he is a peer or royal he is a commoner.... But I would say he is from a gentry family, from what I've read, just as Sarah F is...
Meg and Kate are middle class and their royal status comes from their marriages
When the news first broke that Bea was dating a man who had just left his fianc? I thought she was putting herself in a terrible position. But then I felt a lot better when I read that they had been friends for a long time...sometimes the best marriages happen between two good friends who subsequently fall in love. There's probably a lot we don't know about his engagement that went wrong, it still seems a bit strange! If he is a bit fickle, she would be wise not to jump into anything. Wouldn't want to see her hurt again.
Bea is a royal princess not just anyone. This man may have ambitions. And want to marry up. He did not treat his ex very well. I think Bea needs to do some thinking about this.
She's a big girl, Im sure she's able to look after herself...
I think there is some naivete in her. She stayed with Dave Clark for too long and apparently he was her only boyfriend.
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2019, 01:49:29 PM
I think there is some naivete in her. She stayed with Dave Clark for too long and apparently he was her only boyfriend.
what she's over 30 and only 1 boyfriend?
Yes, she started dating Dave some time ago, she may have still been a teenager or just out of her teens. Dave did not want to marry her apparently and just strung her along. She should have broken things off and moved on. I think the new one seems to be an opportunist.
Beatrice met Dave Clark when she was 17. They dated for ten years. But, boyfriend number one...
Princess Beatrice's ex Paolo Liuzzo charged with cocaine possession after crashing ?40,000 Audi as he skipped out on casino bill | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216646/Princess-Beatrices-ex-Paolo-Liuzzo-charged-cocaine-possession-crashing-40-000-Audi-skipped-casino-bill.html)
Quote from: Curryong on March 24, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
Beatrice met Dave Clark when she was 17. They dated for ten years. But, boyfriend number one...
Princess Beatrice's ex Paolo Liuzzo charged with *** possession after crashing ?40,000 Audi as he skipped out on casino bill | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216646/Princess-Beatrices-ex-Paolo-Liuzzo-charged-***-possession-crashing-40-000-Audi-skipped-casino-bill.html)
oh boy.... yes Bea doesn't have much luck with men... by the sound of it. Then again if you go out on the town with your Mum and your Mum is Fergie.. well!!
You know... I do wonder what Fergie thinks of this? She should advise her to rethink this romance in my opinion. She should take some time off and just be on her own a bit. It would do her good in my opinion.
I don't think the BRF are working or doing something to 'slow' down, their public outing at the official duty of a future POW then Queen, and then 1 week later photographed in NYC.
Edoardo is in the 'inner circle' for more than 10 years.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 24, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
You know... I do wonder what Fergie thinks of this? She should advise her to rethink this romance in my opinion. She should take some time off and just be on her own a bit. It would do her good in my opinion.
When does Fergie ever tink of anything....
Most aristos see this as normal, hence I doubt they will flinch/worry about Edoardo's past. They call it unconventional, rather than a middleclass 'worry'.
i.e. the latest alleged debacle between Kate and aristo Rose. The family and friends of aristo Rose, say her ways are unconventional; like taking a photo in her 20's bikini clad with a 40's dude is classified unconventional, a same picture of a commoner (Chelsy Davy) is headlined Sugar Daddy. :shrug: So its aristo set way of thinking versus middleclass 'worry'.
Quote from: wannable on March 24, 2019, 03:20:51 PM
Most aristos see this as normal, hence I doubt they will flinch/worry about Edoardo's past. They call it unconventional, rather than a middleclass 'worry'.
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what exactly has Mapelli done?
For the Aristo and peer (Italian) purpose: Edoardo has a b a s t a r d son
For the Commoners (thought process): Edoardo is a single father
For peer purpose: his legal marriage son (in the future if he marries and has children with a ''wife'') his son will inherit his titles (Italian), assets, moneys. His *** son will be provided for (perhaps a trust fund)
Aristos who have mixed with commoners, are sensible, have been 'infected' so to speak with middleclass 'worries' i.e. the Duke of Northumberland who married a butcher's daughter, a la Kate, worked for the family butchery business. Reading who, what and anecdotes, they are sensible to real people problems/society.
well did he ditch the woman who had his son and refuse to marry her? Was she expecting to marry him and was disappointed or was having a child outside marriage mutual decision?
She personally said it was over since January 2018, her family side though, not so like the Markle's, but were interviewed, acceded and said they were surprised, in some certain terms, spoke ill about Edoardo. She then replied back saying she did not tell her family side it was over, to not 'hurt' their feelings, etc. since they are catholic and was pregnant/having a baby/baby was too recently born (I need to recheck the timeframes of the ex gf speaking and her family side speaking), but I'm almost certain the baby was just barely recently born.
Maybe i'm reading too much into certain comments but it looks to me that certain people dislike which a VERY rich AND handsome ARISTO who happens to be extremely well connected in Britain take interest in Bea.
@wannable i read that his son is 2 or 4 years-old
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Quote from: amabel on March 24, 2019, 01:52:20 PM
what she's over 30 and only 1 boyfriend?
she dated others men. i remember sometime ago DM showing photos of hers in LA with some guy.
If she did they were sporadic. I remember when she started dating Dave Clark she was quite young then and I remember hoping she'd play the field.
Dianab. if you like this guy that's your choice.
But I think he has some baggage. And the other issue is he might be a rebound for Bea.
ARistos can be creeps too. Thank heavens I am in a country where aristos are not kow towed too. Many of us here have "aristo" blood but don't go making ourselves look "special."
Bea is a royal princess and monied I hope this man is not an opportunist.
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Quote from: amabel on March 24, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
well did he ditch the woman who had his son and refuse to marry her? Was she expecting to marry him and was disappointed or was having a child outside marriage mutual decision?
This is private information. If no marriage happens with Bea, he would move on and so would she.
Beatrice could be under pressure not be the last one to be married off. I hope she takes things at a pace that is comfortable for her, not trying to please others or sidestep their judgmental attitudes.
Why are women "under pressure" these days? Women marry later in life. Bea should not feel any pressure to marry. And should take her time.
She is hardly a spring chicken.. I think she's old enough to choose whom she watnts to date and presumably this guy is the one she wants to be with
She's not "old" either. Dating is one thing, marriage is another. She needs to be sure she gets it right.
Why worry? She's a big girl, over 30. If she wants to be with him, or marry him, Im sure he is interested and its up to her
How are you so sure of what he thinks?
Quote from: sandy on March 25, 2019, 07:31:23 PM
How are you so sure of what he thinks?
I assume he's interestd in her or he would not be with her
Interested in dating now.
they're 2 grown-ups if a hypothetical marriage will work really just future knows... no one's forcing them to be a couple
He looks too slick.
he appears me a good looking and elegant guy.
Something off about him. jack is so much better.
Quote from: amabel on March 25, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
I assume he's interestd in her or he would not be with her
He also knows that she lives in a sort of fishbowl, so he must be very interested to be out in the public eye with her. Since they are old friends I assume he wouldn't fake his interest.
I hope her mother does not push to get her married. She's been hurt and should not rush into anything now.
With modern science; freezing eggs, IVF, Beatrice is 30 he 35, they can wait 3-5 years to see if they are right for each other.
I don't think she should spend another ten years of her life with a man who does not want to commit to her. Like Dave.
I agree with you, she is an adult and can date any man she chooses to date. I really hope this relationship works out for her. Maybe Eduardo has matured after his previous situation.
Bea and Eduardo and Sarah were with Andrew in Bahrain where he had a couple of engagements to perform. They were all seen together enjoying themselves, and apparently Fergie has been doing her usual thing of joining the couple on restaurant/club dates, according to what I've read. I don't think that is very tactful really, if true. This is a very new romance.
Royal news: Princess Beatrice and beau spotted on family trip at Bahrain grand prix | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1108134/royal-news-princess-beatrice-sarah-ferguson-prince-andrew-royal-family)
I think Fergie should busy herself with her own life. She did follow Bea and Dave around and look how that turned out.
Sarah goes to the races for many years, sometimes with her daughters, and often alone.
I do not think she should deprive herself why Bea's dating is new. (Even though Sarah is the godmother of Edo's brother, I believe they are well acquainted)
Someone commented that before dating Andrew one of her boyfriends was linked to F1 she probably likes to enjoy the races.
Sorry, my english
jerry4, your English is fine! Yes, I think Sarah does enjoy these races. Before Andrew Sarah lived with the racing car driver Paddy McNally in Switzerland for a while. It was said she wanted to marry Paddy but he'd been burned by his first marriage which had ended badly, and so he refused. He was connected with the sport for many years.
Quote from: Curryong on April 02, 2019, 12:38:59 AM
jerry4, your English is fine! Yes, I think Sarah does enjoy these races. Before Andrew Sarah lived with the racing car driver Paddy McNally in Switzerland for a while. It was said she wanted to marry Paddy but he'd been burned by his first marriage which had ended badly, and so he refused. He was connected with the sport for many years.
Oh thanks!! I'm kind of afraid to comment and something does not go so well.
That was it, just did not know in so many details.
Quote from: Curryong on April 01, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
Bea and Eduardo and Sarah were with Andrew in Bahrain where he had a couple of engagements to perform. They were all seen together enjoying themselves, and apparently Fergie has been doing her usual thing of joining the couple on restaurant/club dates, according to what I've read. I don't think that is very tactful really, if true. This is a very new romance.
Royal news: Princess Beatrice and beau spotted on family trip at Bahrain grand prix | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1108134/royal-news-princess-beatrice-sarah-ferguson-prince-andrew-royal-family)
Thank you! This is very interesting.
@jerry4 :welcome: Your English is fine. The more you post the better. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Blue Clover on April 02, 2019, 03:14:05 AM
Thank you! This is very interesting.
@jerry4 :welcome: Your English is fine. The more you post the better. :thumbsup:
Thank's :flower:
Re the hit piece on Meghan by David Jenkins in Tatler, interesting that Tatler's editor in chief went to school with Kate and even went on holiday with her a couple of times...
https://mobile.twitter.com/TudorChick1501/status/1112884783766491136?s=19
Quote from: jerry4 on April 02, 2019, 02:44:49 AM
Oh thanks!! I'm kind of afraid to comment and something does not go so well.
Do not be afraid to express yourself in any way you can
@jerry4. Your comments are easy to understand. I am sure that many of us would not have a clue if we had to comment in an unfamiliar language. You are doing just fine. :thumbsup: :nod:
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Quote from: Curryong on April 02, 2019, 04:25:50 AM
Re the hit piece on Meghan by David Jenkins in Tatler, interesting that Tatler's editor in chief went to school with Kate and even went on holiday with her a couple of times...
https://mobile.twitter.com/TudorChick1501/status/1112884783766491136?s=19
Not sure what this has to do with Bea and Edo.
But yes, Richard Dennen studied at University of St. Andrews with William and Kate.
He is part of W&K
''St. Andrews Crew''
Guest of the wedding, here are the people of the Uni that went to the 3 events (Church, party 1 and party 2)
Alice Warrender, daughter of artist Jonathan Warrender. She is a clothes designer friend of Kate?s.
Annabel Glynne-Percy, and husband Logie Fitzwilliams, the director at Harrow Development Trust.
Fergus Boyd, Etonian and cricket club organiser and financier, and his wife Sandrine Janet, one of Kate?s best friends.
Sally Robertson, who was in the year above Kate and played netball with her.
Mark Hayhurst, William?s pal from Sandhurst who studied geography with the Prince, and his fiancee Liz Sebag-Montefiore, who studied History of Art with Kate. Liz is a cousin of Simon Sebag-Montefiore.
Henry Lowson, a friend of William.
Jules Knight, a contemporary who now performs in a band called Blake.
Laura Anne Barstow, associate director at Henderson Global Investors.
Olivia Bleasdale, works for Taylor Bennett, a corporate communications company.
Ollie Baker, who works for Barclays Capital, and wife Melissa Nicholson, one of Kate?s best friends.
Katherine Munsey, 30, fellow resident of Hope Street who founded the Lumsden Club at St Andrews with Kate.
Emilia d?Erlanger, interior designer for d?Erlanger and Sloan. She recently married William?s friend David Jardine Patterson.
Lady Virginia Fraser, daughter of Lord Strathalmond.
Bryony Daniels, hat maker who studied geography with William.
Leonora Gummer, daughter of former Tory MP John Gummer.
Ally Coutts-Wood, director of sales and marketing for Lansdowne, and his American fiancee Chelsea Rose, 28.
Graham Booth, who played rugby with William.
Richard Dennen, features editor of Tatler and close friend of the couple.
Charlie Nelson, who lived in the same halls of residence, St Salvator?s, as the couple.
*****
Richard in 2011 was working for Tatler, he has grown in the position, the above are now the Kensington Crew
Londoner's Diary: Tatler's new editor and the Kate connection | London Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/londoners-diary-tatlers-new-editor-and-the-kate-connection-a3756476.html)
*****
Richard is also a great-grandson of Field Marshal Earl Haig of Bemersyde, source: aristocratic peerage.
I recognize a few of the Cambridge chidren's Godparents on that list.
The couple have godparents from the St. Andrews Crew, The Royal Set, The Middleton Family (2 cousins are godparents), The Glosse Posse, The Eton Pals, The Boujis Buddies, Ex KP Aides...oops ETA: The Marlborough Set too. :wink:
For every child, 1 of each of their ''group'' list, between them all they have quite a large crew of people that will ''grow old'' with them and are loyal (it's like the Queen and Phillip who grew with their posse); 33 of them are titled and 22 Etonians (all first honours and working) The monarchy will be in safe hands. :D
Prince Philip didn't grow up or become friends with enormous numbers of English aristos at all in his youthful days, posse or not, apart from his relatives and extended family. Most of his friends as a young married man were bohemian or from naval circles, and included actors, musicians and photographers.
And people who have titles and go to the same public schools are no better than anyone else. In fact, it can produce stultification in which no new blood ever comes in.
The loyalty brand titled or not is the card for the monarchy's survival.
Quote from: jerry4 on April 02, 2019, 12:30:40 AM
Sarah goes to the races for many years, sometimes with her daughters, and often alone.
I do not think she should deprive herself why Bea's dating is new. (Even though Sarah is the godmother of Edo's brother, I believe they are well acquainted)
Someone commented that before dating Andrew one of her boyfriends was linked to F1 she probably likes to enjoy the races.
Sorry, my english
Nothing wrong with Sarah hanging out with her daughter and her boyfriend. Behavior of many families out there.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on April 02, 2019, 06:00:36 AM
Do not be afraid to express yourself in any way you can @jerry4. Your comments are easy to understand. I am sure that many of us would not have a clue if we had to comment in an unfamiliar language. You are doing just fine. :thumbsup: :nod:
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Thank you so much, I felt super welcome. :blowkiss:
I really like Eugenie and Beatrice, and I really like the way most of them treat them.
:welcome:
@jerry4 I also like both York Princesses.
All I can say is that I wish Princess Beatrice much happiness. Having a romance for ten years and then a split up in the public eye must have been agonizing for her. I would hate to see her hurt again, as most of us do.
If they end up marrying, I'd love to see Bea, as the eldest daughter, wearing her mum's personal tiara. (i.e. I understand Lady Gabriela will be wearing her mum's tiara next month)
IMO the York tiara is probably long gone. I believe Fergie probably sold it privately on one of those occasions in the past when she was really deeply in debt.
I believe the latest report (2018) said the York family still have the gifted wedding tiara/necklace/earrings and her engagement ring, all work GBP 600,000, hence I think their eldest daughter, Bea will have the honours. It's the right thing to do.
I doubt Andrew would have allowed those heirlooms to be sold, someone always saves her from her economic woes.
Or a 'Chinese whisperer' even if sold privately would have spoken.
The Queen probably would have those under lock and key lest Fergie try to sell them.
Quote from: sandy on April 04, 2019, 06:37:13 PM
The Queen probably would have those under lock and key lest Fergie try to sell them.
a bit difficult if she has given them to Sarah as presents
Quite those are the personal heirlooms of the York family. Andrew must have a vault at their Windsor home.
PB is wasting her time with this guy, in my opinion. If a relationship ends after ten years it's better to take some time "off" and focus on yourself. In my opinion he's a another one that's ingratiating himself based on having been a family friend. He seems like a loser, in my opinion.
Quote from: amabel on April 04, 2019, 06:39:27 PM
a bit difficult if she has given them to Sarah as presents
So you honestly think HM would be pleased seeing Sarah auctioning one of her gifts?!
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2019, 03:22:48 PM
So you honestly think HM would be pleased seeing Sarah auctioning one of her gifts?!
what do you mean? I said IF she gave them to Sarah as gifts then they are Sarah's and she can do what she likes with them. You can't give gifts to people and then set conditions on what they do with them
Oh I think the Queen would have minded seeing her gifts at auction. Not that she could have done anything but I think it would have bothered her.
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2019, 11:16:08 PM
Oh I think the Queen would have minded seeing her gifts at auction. Not that she could have done anything but I think it would have bothered her.
I hardly think that Sarah would be likely to sell the jewels at auction.. as has been said they would be disposed of privately. but there would be nothing the queen could do...
There is nothing private about that kind of jewels, if they were sold, we'd know by now. Bea will be wearing them when she gets married, just like Lady Gabriela will be wearing her mum's heirlooms next month.
Quote from: wannable on April 06, 2019, 02:07:44 PM
There is nothing private about that kind of jewels, if they were sold, we'd know by now. Bea will be wearing them when she gets married, just like Lady Gabriela will be wearing her mum's heirlooms next month.
well we don't know, do we? I think it is possible that Sarah might have sold some of her things and they might be altered.. And if Bea would be wearing Sarah's jewels on her marriage, why didn't Eugenie wear something of her mothers?
^ My comment has to do with the latest York's heirlooms (Sarah's tiara, necklace, earrings she wore at her wedding, plus her engagement ring GBP 600,000) article reported by The Express last year, 2018.
I doubt she or Andrew have sold those jewels, privately or auctioned, it would have been reported by now.
Quote from: wannable on April 06, 2019, 02:49:12 PM
^ My comment has to do with the latest York's heirlooms (Sarah's tiara, necklace, earrings she wore at her wedding, plus her engagement ring GBP 600,000) article reported by The Express last year, 2018.
I doubt she or Andrew have sold those jewels, privately or auctioned, it would have been reported by now.
but If she has these jewels, did Eugenie not wear anything of her mother's at her wedding?
Nothing; tiara loaned by the Queen, matching earrings gifted by Jack. I am guessing that Princess Beatrice as the ''eldest' will be doing the honours wearing her mum's heirlooms.
seems to me that if Sarah still has these jewels, she would lend them to both daughters for their weddings...
We shall know when Bea gets married, if ever.
well she didn't lend anything to Eugenie, it seems... so I'd guess Sarah hasn't got that much jewellery -
I believe she does (have jewelry), google images say otherwise (whenever she attends black tie or gala events, they could possibly be loans, despite all said and done, she gets invitations to exclusive parties...) :shrug:
Perhaps no curious/investigative journalists mend through her 'outfits/accessories, hence my comment of possibly loaned. I haven't seen reports about itemizing, but she appears in those events dressed and accessorized to the nines.
Since we are talking about jewels...I was very surprised in October that P. Eugenie did not wear her mother's tiara. Sarah was so proud of it. I thought the tiara she wore was different and lovely, but I was surprised.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on April 08, 2019, 01:33:26 AM
Since we are talking about jewels...I was very surprised in October that P. Eugenie did not wear her mother's tiara. Sarah was so proud of it. I thought the tiara she wore was different and lovely, but I was surprised.
Possbily SArah hasn't got the tiara any more.. Or Eugenie did not like it and was happier to have one from the queen's collection
Quote from: Blue Clover on March 14, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
@Curryong Exactly what I'm thinking. They look happy together. I really hope this is the right person for Princess Beatrice.
Yeah.
But, ehhh, seems to me, he is the wrong one.
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on May 09, 2019, 02:50:22 AM
Yeah.
But, ehhh, seems to me, he is the wrong one.
Since its her choice, we must assume that she likes him
TALK OF THE TOWN: Princess Beatrice cancels her engagement party | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7767935/TALK-TOWN-Princess-Beatrice-cancels-engagement-party.html)
I'll light a candle for her.
I love the way the Fail reports this, as if it was merely a sympathetic observer of Beatrice's difficulties through no fault of her own, rather than a rag that has breathlessly recorded every twist of this horrible saga about her father's misdoings from the beginning, along with its fellow tabloids.
Gazing into the distance wringing your hands over Beatrice's 'plight' doesn't really suit you, hypocritical tabloid journos. Go back to doing what you do best, collating fiction and persecuting celebrities and others for imaginary wrongs.
So she doesn't receive a big hoo-har. Good. She has coasted along for how many years?
Glad I don't have to contribute to another hanger-on wedding.
If the speculation is true, then IMO it would be best for the couple to celebrate their engagement in a private and quiet manner.
I think its a good idea to have a small, private affair. :thumbsup:
If Beatrice and Edo want an engagement party why not have one quietly at royal lodge?.
Guess they originally wanted to have a large party and make a big splash with lots of guests. That Firehouse is one of Eugenie and Harry's old stomping grounds. However someone must have leaked the locale, and the couple definitely wouldn't want paps and nosy tabloid journalists nosing around. I agree it would be simpler and nicer in the circumstances to have a smallish party at Royal Lodge.
The article only says they have changed the 'date' from the 18th of Dec, because it was leaked. The venue remains.
Trudie and Curryong, I agree. They could have a lovely party at Royal Lodge.
Wannabe, Do you think it will be at the same venue but at a later date?
It could be a red herring, but following the article it only says the change of date. But then the paparazzi are known to be relentless, they can 'camp out' for days on end for the money shots. i.e. the paps when social media didn't exist yet, camped out on Kate's apartment, we had the Daily Kate (DM daily pics), ditto Diana.
Personally, I'd change the venue to more private place and stick to the date (18th)...many friends do have the typical 21st of December leaving London to a family location to spend Christmas.
Wannable, You could be right, same venue, different date. I do know that the paparazzi will want pictures of Prince Andrew attending this event and they will probably do almost anything to get them.
Princess Beatrice cancels her engagement bash at Chiltern Firehouse over backlash surrounding Prince Andrew (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10507264/princess-beatrice-cancels-engagement-party-chiltern-firehouse-prince-andrew/)
I found this article about Eugenie's wedding at the Royal Lodge. It would be a perfect place for Beatrice's Engagement Party, it seems to be a place of special significance for the BRF. I believe they could have an elegant affair during the holiday season with all their friends and family in attendance.
What Is Royal Lodge? - Inside Princess Eugenie's Wedding Reception Venue (https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a22590847/princess-eugenie-wedding-reception-royal-lodge/)
I agree Blue Clover royal lodge can certainly host a big party and if it was good enough for a wedding it is good enough for a simple engagement party.
:goodpost:
She can certainly arrange a private party, she can skip going out to a club or restaurant.
Quote from: wannable on December 08, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
It could be a red herring, but following the article it only says the change of date. But then the paparazzi are known to be relentless, they can 'camp out' for days on end for the money shots. i.e. the paps when social media didn't exist yet, camped out on Kate's apartment, we had the Daily Kate (DM daily pics), ditto Diana.
Personally, I'd change the venue to more private place and stick to the date (18th)...many friends do have the typical 21st of December leaving London to a family location to spend Christmas.
I?m agreed with you,
@wannable Prince Andrew ruins Princess Beatrice?s engagement ? party cancelled over sex scandal | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1214536/princess-beatrice-engagement-party-cancelled-prince-andrew-scandal-royal-news-latest)
How ironic that some brides fear being upstaged by a attendant or sibling but this is the first of a father upstaging a bride and not in a good way. :(
^^^
@Trudie yes I agree. The only other comparison that I could make would be the 2002 wedding of the Prince of Orange and Miss Maxima Zorrigueta. The Dutch government made it clear that Jorge Zorrigueta could not be invited to the state occasion and therefore he and his wife stayed in the UK to watch the wedding on television.
Quote from: wannable on December 08, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
It could be a red herring, but following the article it only says the change of date. But then the paparazzi are known to be relentless, they can 'camp out' for days on end for the money shots. i.e. the paps when social media didn't exist yet, camped out on Kate's apartment, we had the Daily Kate (DM daily pics), ditto Diana.
Personally, I'd change the venue to more private place and stick to the date (18th)...many friends do have the typical 21st of December leaving London to a family location to spend Christmas.
It is probably dawning on them all that they will need to fly under the radar. An engagement party can almost be secretive, but not the wedding. But it can be a private wedding with security preventing tabloid interference. Good luck to them...I hope her father?s troubles don?t completely overshadow what is supposed to be a happy time in her life.
Royal source claims that friends are 'concerned' about Princess Beatrice | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7776629/Royal-source-claims-friends-concerned-Princess-Beatrice.html)
I think this is a private matter for Beatrice. DM and its "concerned friends" again.
Quote from: sandy on December 10, 2019, 11:32:09 PM
I think this is a private matter for Beatrice. DM and its "concerned friends" again.
I?m agreed with you
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Princess Beatrice's friends 'concerned about her' as Andrew 'embarrassed family' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrices-friends-concerned-her-21071382)
Princess Beatrice?s pals ?concerned? as Prince Andrew?s ?embarrassing? scandal threatens to ruin wedding ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10526951/princess-beatrice-wedding-prince-andrew/)
So the Red Herring of cancelling, it actually went through, the Chiltern Firehouse was entirely booked private. The paps took a lot of pics of the guests entering. The Middleton siblings with their partners also attended the engagement party, known royal circle related was Gabriela and Thomas Kingston, Elizabeth nee Warren and Guy Pelly, and also of course a lot of famous people.
Andrew didn't go, Sarah Ferguson did, wearing a mini dress....
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Princess Beatrice's brave-face engagement bash: Father Prince Andrew stays away from party for family and A-List friends saying it would not be a 'good look' after Epstein interview disaster
Singer Ellie Goulding, Robbie Williams's wife Ayda Field and close friend Guy Pelly were pictured at the party
Beatrice, 31, is due to marry Italian property entrepreneur Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, 34, in the New Year
The princess's wedding preparations have been overshadowed by father Andrew's links to Jeffrey Epstein
Princess Beatrice throws engagement party at Chiltern Firehouse in London with celebrity friends | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7807727/Princess-Beatrice-throws-engagement-party-Chiltern-Firehouse-London-celebrity-friends.html)
Kate did not go? Just her siblings?
It's sufficient IMO that tells a story of loyalties, friendship between the Middleton's and York sisters and their partners.
No, William and Kate did not go. The party was a few hours after the Queen's Christmas Lunch at BP.
As I recall, the Yorks had a rocky start with the Middletons. There was some dispute re: fashion show seating with Kate and Pippa.
Quote from: wannable on December 19, 2019, 01:54:26 PM
It's sufficient IMO that tells a story of loyalties, friendship between the Middleton's and York sisters and their partners.
No, William and Kate did not go. The party was a few hours after the Queen's Christmas Lunch at BP.
Even if the stories of a rocky start are true, it's nice to see that the York sisters now have a good friendship with them IMHO.
Quote from: TLLK on December 19, 2019, 03:15:44 PM
Even if the stories of a rocky start are true, it's nice to see that the York sisters now have a good friendship with them IMHO.
why didn't Will and Kate go? Going back home to the kids? or perhaps they are distancing thmeslves from the Yorks a bit?
Quote from: TLLK on December 19, 2019, 03:15:44 PM
Even if the stories of a rocky start are true, it's nice to see that the York sisters now have a good friendship with them IMHO.
for whatever reasons it looks like pippa and james are friends with bea and or her fiancee. maybe they ran in same social circles.
btw i dont think there's any closeness between the yorks with kate and or william.
This was a selected group of 30 people for the sit-down dinner and drinks, so 4 Middleton/30 guests does say a story.
I doubt William and Kate would take away the 'limelight' of the engaged couple by attending, and the bruhaha of chauffeured car with RPO's tailing them. Back to the future, 15 years ago desperate boarded by dozens of paparazzi in their face. :hehe:
there were 2 midlletons. or were carole and michael there?
william and kate were never reported to be close to york sisters... the fact that pippa and james were invited says nothing about cambs and yorks relations
I never heard William and Kate were buddy buddy with Bea and Eugenie. William and Kate seem friendlier with Zara and Mike as well as Peter and Autumn.
Princess Beatrice throws engagement party at Chiltern Firehouse in London with celebrity friends | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7807727/Princess-Beatrice-throws-engagement-party-Chiltern-Firehouse-London-celebrity-friends.html)
Prince Andrew Doesn't Attend Princess Beatrice Engagement Party | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-celebrates-her-engagement-party-in-london-but-dad-prince-andrew-did-not-attend/)
Duke of York stay at home
i agree. from which i have read pippa has always had a wider set of friends than kate.
after kate got married she missed few aristo wedding's that as william as pippa attended to
Quote from: amabel on December 19, 2019, 03:46:24 PM
why didn't Will and Kate go? Going back home to the kids? or perhaps they are distancing thmeslves from the Yorks a bit?
They might have had other plans for the evening.
I don't know if it is true or not, but WIlliam supposedly said something to the effect that he "never" was a fan of Prince Andrew.
That would be rather offputting to Bea and EUgenie if true.
Prince William Has Never Been a Fan of Prince Andrew (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/prince-william-prince-andrew-feud.html/)
Does that mean William could not stand him even when he was a child, he used the word "never."
Quote from: TLLK on December 19, 2019, 05:39:23 PM
They might have had other plans for the evening.
probably william and kate have no relationship with this couple
Prince Andrew skips Princess Beatrice's A-list engagement party as it wouldn't be 'good look' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-skips-princess-beatrices-21128482)
Prince Andrew stays away from Princess Beatrice?s engagement bash out of ?fear of abuse? from guests ? The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10582971/prince-andrew-misses-princess-beatrice-engagement-abuse-fear/)
Quote from: sandy on December 19, 2019, 05:42:17 PM
I don't know if it is true or not, but WIlliam supposedly said something to the effect that he "never" was a fan of Prince Andrew.
That would be rather offputting to Bea and EUgenie if true.
Prince William Has Never Been a Fan of Prince Andrew (https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/prince-william-prince-andrew-feud.html/)
Does that mean William could not stand him even when he was a child, he used the word "never."
possibly.... though I don't think that Andrew was quite so repellent when he was younger.. Bad enough though
However I don't suppose that as a child Will would ahave been aware of Andrew's more appalling behaviour. He may have just found him haugty and rude...
The younger Andrew was lauded for his service in the military. There was no EPstein when William was growing up. I would assume William was told by his parents to be respectful and polite to his relatives. I am not sure William said that if he did I find it hard to believe he was never a "fan." The man was his Uncle and he would see him on a regular basis, he even was a page for his Uncle Andrew's wedding.
Quote from: amabel on December 19, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
possibly.... though I don't think that Andrew was quite so repellent when he was younger.. Bad enough though
However I don't suppose that as a child Will would ahave been aware of Andrew's more appalling behaviour. He may have just found him haugty and rude...
I would hope that William was much older when he found out about Andrew's less pleasant personality traits.
Anyhow I hope that Beatrice and Eduardo enjoyed the company of their guests at their engagement party.
Quote from: sandy on December 19, 2019, 10:51:14 PM
The younger Andrew was lauded for his service in the military. There was no EPstein when William was growing up. I would assume William was told by his parents to be respectful and polite to his relatives. I am not sure William said that if he did I find it hard to believe he was never a "fan." The man was his Uncle and he would see him on a regular basis, he even was a page for his Uncle Andrew's wedding.
why would he be a fan? Andrew even at his best, was harldy the most wonderful person. Even in his youth, he was arrogant and haugty and the servants, it seems never had a good word to say for him. That interview confirmed what the "real Andrew" is like and it was a bit of an eye opener. I didn't think he was an angel but the level of arrogance and stupidyt he displayed was stunning. William will have seen him in private since he was a child.. he probably knew how awful he could be...
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Quote from: TLLK on December 19, 2019, 11:51:16 PM
I would hope that William was much older when he found out about Andrew's less pleasant personality traits.
Anyhow I hope that Beatrice and Eduardo enjoyed the company of their guests at their engagement party.
Yes though I think a small party would have been better. Glad Andrew sayed away.
I don't know aobut William.. Perhaps when he was very small, if Andrew was pleasant to him, he got on with him.... and I suppose Andrew is capable of being OK with people he consders as equals.. ie his family and a few upper class and very rich people. But it seems like behind the scenes Andrew was pretty darn awful even when younger.. though not as bad as he has become. I think the end of his marriage may have led him into a world where he did his duties but apart form them, he lived largely for his own pleasure. I suppose he was a decent father to the girls but I can't help feeling that in his forties onwards Andrew lived for pleasure.. making money, sleeping with girls, mostly provided for him and he expected the lower orders to defer to him, let him have this pleasure seeking lifestyle and he expected his friends to provide him with this sort of entertainment...
William is no prize himself. I hope he really did not say that, it would not have been nice. Kate has an Uncle who is less than honorable in his behavior but Kate never would say she never was a fan. Or it was attributed to her.
Quote from: sandy on December 20, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
William is no prize himself. I hope he really did not say that, it would not have been nice. Kate has an Uncle who is less than honorable in his behavior but Kate never would say she never was a fan. Or it was attributed to her.
Andrew is the one who is "not nice".. I should hope that WIlliam is not a fan of his...
Yo
Quote from: sandy on December 20, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
William is no prize himself. I hope he really did not say that, it would not have been nice. Kate has an Uncle who is less than honorable in his behavior but Kate never would say she never was a fan. Or it was attributed to her.
his uncle is a pevert, just saying
I've no problem with people who dont care or arent 'fans' of Andrew.
IMO which isnt really nice is Andrew attending public family events. Family members who let clear arent his fans and want nothing to do with him have my respect, at least related to this issue
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Quote from: sandy on December 19, 2019, 10:51:14 PM
The younger Andrew was lauded for his service in the military. There was no EPstein when William was growing up. I would assume William was told by his parents to be respectful and polite to his relatives. I am not sure William said that if he did I find it hard to believe he was never a "fan." The man was his Uncle and he would see him on a regular basis, he even was a page for his Uncle Andrew's wedding.
I disagree that William saw him in regular basis. Sarah herself wasnt with Andrew in regular basis. I think as a little and young boy he saw Sarah and the girls regularly because Sarah and Diana friendship
I know uncle Gary is bad but he's not in same Andrew's level. btw both are lowlifes
But Will's alleged choice of words is odd. The Epstein business only came out a relatively short time ago. If true, was William never a "fan" of his Uncle? If one takes his comments literally?
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Quote from: amabel on December 20, 2019, 02:00:43 PM
Andrew is the one who is "not nice".. I should hope that WIlliam is not a fan of his...
Yo
Andrew is in real trouble . William isn't.
But I am just saying William is not perfect he's done not so nice things in his time.
who knows? maybe, outside the queen, nobody in that family ever had much time for Andrew
QuoteI disagree that William saw him in regular basis. Sarah herself wasnt with Andrew in regular basis. I think as a little and young boy he saw Sarah and the girls regularly because Sarah and Diana friendship
I agree that the Wales brothers likely saw Sarah and the girls more frequently while Andrew was away at sea.
The Yorks became more and more estranged. The last hope was gone when the photos of Sarah emerged in the headlines.
Quote from: dianab on December 20, 2019, 03:15:10 PM
who knows? maybe, outside the queen, nobody in that family ever had much time for Andrew
I certainly hope that most of them had enough good taste to be dubious about him in the last years. I don't think he was as bad as a oung man.. but even then he was deeply arrogant and stupid. I gather that the servants all thought poorly of him and I can't understand why the queen seems to have always favoured him...I hope that she wasn't the type to say that "if a servant got in a ruck with her darlign Andrew it was the servant's fault."
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Quote from: TLLK on December 20, 2019, 03:18:45 PM
I agree that the Wales brothers likely saw Sarah and the girls more frequently while Andrew was away at sea.
true but Andrew was still Charlles' brother. The Boys were bound to see him on a regular basis even if Charles and Andrwe weren't best friends.. or visiting every sundday?.
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Quote from: sandy on December 20, 2019, 03:22:10 PM
The Yorks became more and more estranged. The last hope was gone when the photos of Sarah emerged in the headlines.
I don't think the Yorks were very much estranged. Andrew was angry at Sarah's behavior but he wasn't "at outs" with her.. He was hurt and determined on a divorce.. but he still remained very loyal to her.. (whih I used to think was a good poit of his)
Let's not forget that Andrew had an active naval career from the early 1980s to the late 1990s, often away from Britain, by which time William and Harry were in boarding school. Yes Fergie, when not winging her way across to the US. was friends with Diana (until the veruka incident) and I'm sure that the Yorkies and the brothers played together when very young.
However there's over twelve years in age between Charles and Andrew and they don't have much in common. Andrew's main hobbies are golf and photography, neither of which interest Charles. So somehow I can't see Andrew journeying to Highgrove or hanging around KP much at all when his nephews were young.
Andrew was never popular with the staff at any of the Palaces. Not as a boy, not as a youth, not as a man. He's always been characterised as loud, brash, inconsiderate, arrogant. I seem to remember young Andrew being rude and obnoxious to the stable workers at the Windsor stables and ending up covered in mud. He went off saying that he would 'tell Mummy' but they never heard anything back, so if he did complain the Queen didn't investigate.
Quote from: TLLK on December 19, 2019, 03:15:44 PM
Even if the stories of a rocky start are true, it's nice to see that the York sisters now have a good friendship with them IMHO.
I agree. I also think it makes sense that the Cambridges did not attend...they had gone to the Queen's lunch and have three children at home. Dinner or supper and bedtime are priorities even if you have a nanny.
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Quote from: sandy on December 20, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
William is no prize himself. I hope he really did not say that, it would not have been nice. Kate has an Uncle who is less than honorable in his behavior but Kate never would say she never was a fan. Or it was attributed to her.
Possibly that is fake news; it seems to me that however he felt Will would be smart enough not to say it. As I've said before, I just don't know whether to believe much of what is written these days.
I think if William and Kate wanted to go they would have left the children with a nanny. William would up and leave the family to go on weekends solo. I don't think they are all that close to Bea and Eugenie. William and Kate also manage to do tours, certainly the children could be left for a few hours if their parents wanted to be at that party. ALso William allegedly said he was not a fan of Andrew and had input in removing him from royal work., which would make it less likely that he'd want to be there.
In fact, I always thought that William after the Middleton's became a distaste for the whole family. Wasn't it Charles himself who complained that he had little contact with his grandchildren?
And if William really said that "He never liked Andrew," I really find it strange that it is common knowledge that it was Andrew who supported the boys when Diana passed away.
Actually sounds pretty grateful to me ... but here we are talking about a family that the crown comes first and for William's image is better "never liked uncle"
And about William not going to Beatrice's engagement party or surprising me, he wasn't at Peter's wedding who was always super close.
:xmas21: :xmas15:
I thought the boys were being protected by their grandparents at Balmoral.
William had a prior wedding engagement commitment, Craig's in Kenya, his girlfriend wife and mother of his children went, Peter got GBP 1 million Hello mag wedding, ironically 17 pics of Kate, 13 Chelsy, the rest of the guests 1 or 2 pics.
news to me that "Andrewe supported the boys" I have never heard his name mentioned in relation to the family or the boys when Diana died. What did he do? My impression was that they were looked after by Tiggy and the family, and spent time with the Philllipses. I have never heard anything about them and Andrew. I don't know whehter William said what he's supposed to have said, I DO hope that it' s true that he does not think highly of his uncle these days.
Quote from: jerry4 on December 21, 2019, 03:03:24 AM
In fact, I always thought that William after the Middleton's became a distaste for the whole family. Wasn't it Charles himself who complained that he had little contact with his grandchildren?
And if William really said that "He never liked Andrew," I really find it strange that it is common knowledge that it was Andrew who supported the boys when Diana passed away.
common knowledge is zara and peter supported the boys when Diana died.... from that moment the cousins become close.... was said william and harry saw peter as the oldest brother and zara was like a sister to them
I undertant that harry started his close relationship with beatrice and eugenie many years later when he already had left the eton
Quote from: wannable on December 21, 2019, 03:14:45 AM
I thought the boys were being protected by their grandparents at Balmoral.
William had a prior wedding engagement commitment, Craig's in Kenya, his girlfriend wife and mother of his children went, Peter got GBP 1 million Hello mag wedding, ironically 17 pics of Kate, 13 Chelsy, the rest of the guests 1 or 2 pics.
I did find it odd that he put JEcca's wedding as priority over Peter's. And Kate went solo to Peter's wedding. Even after William had apparently helped prepare the stag party for Peter. Kate was not wife and mother of his children then, I don't think they were even engaged then. Supposedly this was the first occasion that Kate spent some time with the Queen.
@sandy It wasn't Jecca's (she married 2016), but Batian's wedding, 2008, according to reports Ian Craig had asked William first and he had accepted, much before Peter had proposed to Autumn, it's a commitment.
Yes William made up for missing Peter's wedding by attending the Stag Do
Quote
"Prince William's going to be out of the country on a long-standing prior engagement," a royal source told a British newspaper. "He spoke to his cousin Peter and he is fine about it. His girlfriend will go in his absence."
The 'prior engagement' is a Maasai-themed ceremony in Kenya in which Batian Craig, the brother of the Prince's childhood sweetheart Jecca, will wed. "He felt he had to go to Kenya because the Craigs asked him first," explained a friend of Wills, adding the royal made a special effort to attend the stag weekend by way of compensation.
YEs you are right. He did go to Jecca's wedding solo later on.
It was Jecca's brother. He still left it to Kate to go to Peter's wedding solo.
He did not take Kate to either of the weddings.
Curious though Peter and William did not talk to each other re: William's social plans. Maybe there could have been a different date set for Peter had he known about William's plans for the Craig wedding.Even a casual conversation.
imo kate hadnt any wish to attend to any Craig family wedding
Queen allows Princess Beatrice to bring her fiance Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi with her to Sandringham | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7822817/Queen-allows-Princess-Beatrice-bring-fiance-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi-Sandringham.html) Consider the source.
QuoteA source on the Queen's Sandringham estate said: 'Beatrice and Edo arrived last night.
'It's clear that Her Majesty wants to support her granddaughter, who is getting married at a very difficult time for her family. But everyone feels Beatrice deserves to be happy
QuotePrincess Beatrice has been given permission by the Queen to bring her fiance to Sandringham this year ? and they will even accompany her to church on Christmas Day.
In a sign of solidarity with the beleaguered York family, the monarch has extended a coveted invitation to her Norfolk estate to Beatrice's partner, 36-year-old property tycoon Edoardo 'Edo' Mapelli Mozzi.
The gesture is also a sign of how the 93-year-old royal is moving with the times.
Not so long ago it would have been unthinkable for the sovereign, who is also head of the Church of England, to have unmarried couples staying under her roof.
But, in 2017, convention was relaxed to allow Prince Harry to bring his then-fiancee Meghan Markle to stay at the Queen's estate for the festive season.
It is understood the Queen, like many senior royals, has felt desperately sorry for Beatrice, 31, who announced her engagement in September after a short romance but has seen her happiness overshadowed by the ongoing fallout from her father's friendship with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein and his disastrous interview on BBC2's Newsnight programme.
Beatrice's fiance gets Queen's 'inner circle approval' with coveted Christmas invite - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beatrices-fiance-gets-queens-inner-21155721)
The Queen is pragmatic at times, which is a good thing, and the couple looked relaxed and happy. So happy for Bea.
I read an article that just like the women, the men do bring between 10 to 20 assortment of clothing for the Christmas eve to Boxing day activities.
In the videos, Edo looked quite a natural, no consulting Bea, bowed with the other gents, etc. Did he also rehearse? :D
Quote from: wannable on December 29, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
I read an article that just like the women, the men do bring between 10 to 20 assortment of clothing for the Christmas eve to Boxing day activities.
In the videos, Edo looked quite a natural, no consulting Bea, bowed with the other gents, etc. Did he also rehearse? :D
LOL! You are right - he looked confident and as natural as can be.
Quote from: wannable on December 29, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
I read an article that just like the women, the men do bring between 10 to 20 assortment of clothing for the Christmas eve to Boxing day activities.
In the videos, Edo looked quite a natural, no consulting Bea, bowed with the other gents, etc. Did he also rehearse? :D
Probably he's a confident man. Aristocracy isnt new world to him.
Could the coronavirus pandemic see Princess Beatrice become ?acting monarch?? ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/could-the-coronavirus-pandemic-see-princess-beatrice-become-acting-monarch-139276/)
Why would there be a need for a sixth CoS?
QuoteOn Tuesday, Royal Central reported on what would happen should The Queen temporarily be unable to perform her constitutional duties due to the government?s plans for all over-70s to self-quarantine.
Normally, this wouldn?t be a problem as there are five Counsellors of State on hand to fill-in for Her Majesty, undertaking duties on behalf of the Crown.
However, the issues presented by coronavirus COVID-19 are unprecedented, and the Regency Act 1937 may come under immense pressure to create a sixth Counsellor.
A letters pattent, the modern monarchy adding the spouses of the pow and heir to the heir. Simple solution entering this decade, with a few more rules of fired, quit, divorced, etc
Anyway speculation, rumor, unofficial but may....
@wanable-That is another possibility by adding the future Queen Consorts to the Counsellor of State role now. Camilla and Catherine would have eventually taken on that role and Phillip's retirement from public royal duties was AFAIK the first time a monarch's consort had done so. It might be a less controversial option to the public than bringing on Princess Beatrice and quite honestly I believe that her father should have been removed when he was sidelined.
I don't see why it would be controversial to add Beatrice, she was not involved in any possible wrongdoing.
@sandy-IMO would likely be controversial as Princess Beatrice would be a sixth member where the Letters Patent had only considered five members. An addition would require a new Letters Patent. The potential controversy has nothing to do with the alleged actions of her father the DoY.
Here is more on the topic from the article.
QuoteAlthough the idea of making Princess Beatrice a Counsellor of State may be controversial, it is arguably a necessity.
Should The Queen and her current Counsellors be unable to carry out the duties of the monarch, the branches of government could fall apart as somebody must always be available to carry out the duties of the sovereign.
Tasks which must be undertaken includes granting royal assent, issuing royal proclamations, appointing judges and Queen?s Counsel.
The Regency Act?s sole aim is to provide permanent availability of the monarch, either through regency or Counsellors of State. Should two of the Counsellors be in quarantine and a further two unavailable by other means, then the act loses its purpose unless a regency is invoked.
That being said, if push comes to shove and the Regency Act does need to be invoked, the Duke of York will most likely assume his constitutional position, controversial or not.
Royal historian Marlene Koenig explains that there is precedent of sorts for an extra Counsellors of State to be appointed, but that it is unlikely to happen with Princess Beatrice.
Mrs Koenig explained: ?In 1944, when Lord Lascelles was a prisoner of war, he was briefly removed as a Counsellor of State and replaced with Princess Arthur of Connaught. However, this was not actually legal because the Regency Act does not allow for a replacement.
Lord Lascelles was the elder son of the Princess Mary, the Princess Royal ? the only daughter of King George V. He was the first Counsellor of State to be appointed who was not a consort, prince or princess since the passage of the Regency Act 1937.
Mrs Koenig continued: ?Lord Lascelles was taken prisoner in 1944. He had replaced the Countess of Southesk as a Counsellor on his 21st birthday a few months earlier.
I think it's possible for them to create a sixth chancellor.
Who knows if PH can even travel to and from Canada. It all depends on the situation.
From my understanding, QE made changes so that Prince William's children would get the title 'prince'. So changes can be made. In these difficult times, who knows, but I don't think that parliament will rule it out.
I think she would be a good choice. I wouldn't be surprised if her, and Eugenie to some extent, will have a role, however small, as working royals.
^^^Just to clarify, the Letters Patent regarding the Cambridge children was prompted by the changes enacted by the British Parliament in regards to the succession to the throne. Once male primogeniture was replaced by true primogeniture, the new Letters Patent was needed in case the couple's first child was a girl and would be the third in line to throne.
Here is information about that: Queen Elizabeth II Decrees that all of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge?s Children Will Be Princes and Princesses | Carolyn Harris (http://www.royalhistorian.com/queen-elizabeth-decrees-that-all-of-the-duke-and-duchess-of-cambridges-children-will-be-princes-and-princesses/)
QuoteThe Queen?s Letters Patent revises King George V?s 1917 decree that only the eldest son of the Prince of Wales?s eldest son was entitled to be styled His Royal Highness and a Prince. According to this document, the daughters and younger sons of the Prince of Wales?s eldest son were to be styled as children of a Duke. These ducal titles would change to royal titles once the Prince of Wales succeeded to the throne.The Queen?s decree ensures that if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge?s eldest child is a daughter, she will be styled a Princess rather than a Lady.
The recent Letters Patent reflect the succession reforms that are currently in the process of being ratified by the governments of the United Kingdom and the fifteen other commonwealth realms that have the Queen as Head of State. The reforms introduce absolute primogeniture, which would make the eldest child of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge a direct heir to the throne regardless of gender. These reforms have prompted a broader analysis of royal titles to ensure they reflect a scenario where the eventual heir might be a woman with a younger brother. The equalization of titles for the monarch?s great-grandchildren of both genders is part of this process of succession reform.
I believe
@oak_and_cedar that it could be possible to temporarily appoint Princess Beatrice considering that for the time being air travel between the UK and North America is very limited. Should Prince Harry choose to return to full time senior royal duties and decide to reside full time in the UK perhaps then she could be removed.
Or the other alternative would be to have the future queen consorts step up as Counsellors of State.
Thank you, TLLK, for the article and clarification.
Yes, depending on the situation, and how many people are needed I think a revision will be made. You have Prince Charles and HM choosing to self quarantine, which is sensible IMO.
That leaves only prince William and DOC as the working royals. PA is out of the picture for now and am not so sure about prince Edward. At any rate PB comes before him in succession if i'm not mistaken.
I'm not so sure that Prince Harry will be coming back to the same level of charity work as he did before. It would depend on what he wanted. I think PB will be encouraged to take on some duties, IMO.
I wouldn't rule out Princess Eugenie either.
I don't think the odds are that great for the consorts to 'jump in'. That would be one amendment too much. After all, they're not in the line of succession. But this is just IMO.
I think it's most unlikely that Beatrice will become a Counsellor of State in the present circumstances.
After all the Queen is not incapacitated and all the real Offices of State remain in her hands. A Regency Act is not needed. And after all, ambassadors to be can't travel at the moment to kiss hands at St James (BP.) Privy Council business is likely to be postponed in this emergency (distancing etc,) or be done by Skype, and the same with other strictly ceremonial duties.
Arrangements will have been made for the red boxes to be delivered.
If the British people need to be addressed at a national level at any time then the Queen and/or the PM can do that.
IMO the big changes to Counsellors will come with Prince Philip's death. Another Counsellor is likely to be appointed then and that would be Beatrice. At the Queen's death, with George and his siblings still not 21, then Counsellors would be consort Camilla, William, Harry (if he still has a primary residence in England) then Andrew and Beatrice.
Double post auto-merged: March 24, 2020, 10:23:10 PM
Forgot to add that being a Counsellor of State is STRICTLY a matter of the four nearest adults in the line of succession to the British throne. Nothing to do with being removed from royal duties or no longer being a working member of the RF. (There were plenty of people in the past who were no longer strictly working members but were still C of Ss.)
So, as a matter of convenience and in an emergency if a PC meeting had to be convened, then William and Andrew would be there, both being above seventy and not frail and aged.
These situations can be changed so quickly. They should and probably have made plans for situation A, B, C and so on.
This is slightly off topic, but I think that if not as a chancellor of state, Beatrice will be coming back as a working royal in some capacity.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 25, 2020, 11:35:42 AM
These situations can be changed so quickly. They should and probably have made plans for situation A, B, C and so on.
This is slightly off topic, but I think that if not as a chancellor of state, Beatrice will be coming back as a working royal in some capacity.
Not that likely at all IMO. Probably doing a bit more charity work but not taking on an official royal role.
Time will tell I guess..
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 25, 2020, 12:15:53 PM
Time will tell I guess..
for at least 6 months there wont be any royal work going on. and Beatrice will be trying ot plan her postponed weddign. I don't think she would want to take on any royal work anyway. Maybe 10 years ago but not now that she's older and wants to get married.
Princess Beatrice appears to be very mature for her age. IMO She should be the next queen. She has made a great marriage and is growing very well into her role as a princess. No scandals, just respect for the monarchy. I would love it if she is the next queen. Sorry P.W.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 25, 2020, 11:35:42 AM
These situations can be changed so quickly. They should and probably have made plans for situation A, B, C and so on.
This is slightly off topic, but I think that if not as a chancellor of state, Beatrice will be coming back as a working royal in some capacity.
IMO she could do so on a part time basis to accompany or to represent her grandmother at various events. However I don't see her becoming a full time one anytime soon.
Quote from: arusha on March 29, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
Princess Beatrice appears to be very mature for her age. IMO She should be the next queen. She has made a great marriage and is growing very well into her role as a princess. No scandals, just respect for the monarchy. I would love it if she is the next queen. Sorry P.W.
I respect your opinion, but it seems as though there is only the remotest chance of that. She is 7th in line, I believe. I also hope, for her sake and Edo's, that she won't have to wait too long to get married. I have so much respect for her, as she has been so patient in the middle of so many postponements.
Quote from: arusha on March 29, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
Princess Beatrice appears to be very mature for her age. IMO She should be the next queen. She has made a great marriage and is growing very well into her role as a princess. No scandals, just respect for the monarchy. I would love it if she is the next queen. Sorry P.W.
She hasnt' made ANY marriage. And I don't see any signs that she's mature for her age... she's always been a job flitter, and I see noting special about her. She's not going to be queen. She's miles away from the throne.
Yeah, sorry. I meant princess Eugenie.
Quote from: arusha on April 01, 2020, 07:51:43 AM
Yeah, sorry. I meant princess Eugenie.
both of them are nowhere near the throne and there's no reason why either should be considered as queen. Eugenie is recently married and im sure does not even want to take on more royal duties, let alone be queen
Spine chilling, that requires passing away of 8 people, including her father and elder sister.
Quote from: TLLK on March 24, 2020, 01:43:42 PM
@wanable-That is another possibility by adding the future Queen Consorts to the Counsellor of State role now. Camilla and Catherine would have eventually taken on that role and Phillip's retirement from public royal duties was AFAIK the first time a monarch's consort had done so. It might be a less controversial option to the public than bringing on Princess Beatrice and quite honestly I believe that her father should have been removed when he was sidelined.
I wonder what justification, if any, was made as to why he wasn't removed. I suppose, because he is still seventh in line.
According to Fergie's remarks made during a podcast with a friend on radio, and quoted in Hello magazine, Beatrice and Edo are honkered down in the countryside on his mother's estate and the rest of the Yorks, herself, Andrew, Eugenie and Jack, are currently living at Royal Lodge Windsor during the pandemic.
Per this article https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalt...mother-in-law/
I'm glad Beatrice and her fianc? are together, and I'm sure there is plenty of room so they have alone time. It's so sad how their wedding has hit so many snags...she certainly didn't deserve it, but life is sometimes just unfair.
Apparently, according to Tatler the couple will be moving to Nottingham Cottage, that is neighbouring the Ivy Cottage of Jack and Eugenie.
Nottingham Cottage really surprises me...I think it's great they would rent at K-Palace, but isn't that a pretty small place? Or maybe it's just a London pied-a-terre and they have another place somewhere.
Nott Cott has two bedrooms. It's OK for a couple with no children. It doesn't surprise me that this couple is reputedly moving in next door to Ivy Cottage which has three bedrooms, but IMO when either has their first child then that couple will move.
I doubt either Princess will do without a nanny even if they economise on cleaners etc and both homes are too small to accommodate staff. Jack's father is wealthy and may help. Edo is rich anyway but apparently doesn't mind small quarters. I think the place he had with his ex was one bedroom.
Wow. I would be surprised that Nott Cott would be where they'd like to settle considering its small size. Perhaps they're waiting for another KP cottage/apartment to become available?
Quote from: TLLK on August 22, 2020, 04:25:20 AM
Wow. I would be surprised that Nott Cott would be where they'd like to settle considering its small size. Perhaps they're waiting for another KP cottage/apartment to become available?
They may have to taek waht they can get.... Beatrice is lucky to get royal accommodation, and she's problaby Ok with not having any living in staff but a nanny...
Two not very large bedrooms, (no separate bedroom for the nanny) one bathroom, and three adults and a baby in a five roomed house, with all the extra clothing and other stuff a baby requires, and the couple will be fine with it?
I will be very surprised indeed if they don't move out of Nott Cott when the first child comes, if not before. Edo is wealthy himself, comes from a well-heeled family and with all his contacts in the property business it will be quite easy for him to pick up a house or apartment on a long lease.
Quote from: Curryong on August 22, 2020, 05:51:40 AM
Two not very large bedrooms, (no separate bedroom for the nanny) one bathroom, and three adults and a baby in a five roomed house, with all the extra clothing and other stuff a baby requires, and the couple will be fine with it?
I will be very surprised indeed if they don't move out of Nott Cott when the first child comes, if not before. Edo is wealthy himself, comes from a well-heeled family and with all his contacts in the property business it will be quite easy for him to pick up a house or apartment on a long lease.
Then maybe he shoudl buy them a house and move out now..
Nott Cott is all right (just) for a couple but not for a family.
I agree with the both of you that Nott Cott is likely a temporary housing for the couple. IMHO it's likely "reserved" for this type of situation for the members of the BRF who need housing for a single/childless couple. It's obviously secure enough for the Cambridges/Sussexes when they lived there and a couple with a small infant ie George could be there for a short term stay.
Having said that, I think that Bea and Edo are going to have to move sooner or later.. If its too small for a nanny, then they have one child staying and probably will have a baby of their own one day.
Did anyone read about his ex-fianc?e moving in to the same office building as him? I understand it can be practical and all but still a bit too close IMO.
Yes, she's an architect, he has a real estate company, he sells homes, she remodels and decorates them. It may get uncomfortable only if one of the two behave bad, weird. If not, it all seems to be a friendly uncoupling situation.
This article says they're going to work together now:
Princess Beatrice's husband Edo Mapelli Mozzi's company hires his ex-fiancee Dara Huang | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8743885/Princess-Beatrices-husband-Edo-Mapelli-Mozzis-company-hires-ex-fiancee-Dara-Huang.htm)
That's a wee bit too much. Too close for comfort IMO. I don't think most people would take too kindly to their spouses working with their exes.
A place for general chat about Princess Beatrice and family
Princess Beatrice and Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi seen enjoying a mask-free date night | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8797519/Princess-Beatrice-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi-seen-enjoying-mask-free-date-night.html)
I thought the photographs were all very sweet. They look like a very happy couple of newlyweds! So happy for Bea!
Princess Beatrice showed off her chic sense of style as she headed out for dinner in Mayfair with her friends on Thursday night.
Princess Beatrice shows off her chic sense of style in black velvet dress | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8821659/Princess-Beatrice-shows-chic-sense-style-black-velvet-dress.html)
Date night! Princess Beatrice enjoys dinner with husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9507407/Date-night-Princess-Beatrice-enjoys-dinner-husband-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi.html)
Good for them and I hope that they enjoyed their night out. :vday2:
Princess Beatrice and Edoardo were spotted enjoying lunch at a restaurant down by the river in West London on Saturday.
Princess Beatrice steps out for lunch in London with Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi and friends | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9520855/Princess-Beatrice-steps-lunch-London-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi-friends.html)
Princess Beatrice and her husband look smitten leaving Loulou's (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9531479/amp/Princess-Beatrice-husband-look-smitten-leaving-Loulous.html?__twitter_impression=true)
Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrice and Mr Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi are very pleased to announce that they are expecting a baby in autumn of this year.
The Queen has been informed and both families are delighted with the news.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPDH9NkHc_x/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Wonderful news. Two sisters, two babies within months of each other! I bet Wolfie will be very interested in his new (half) brother or sister?s arrival as well.
:hearts: More babies!
The Royal Family
@royalfamilyHer Royal Highness Princess Beatrice and Mr Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi are very pleased to announce that they are expecting a baby in autumn of this year.
The Queen has been informed and both families are delighted with the news.
👶🏻Congratulations
Very happy for them.
Congratulations to Beatrice, Edo and Wofie on this very happy news. Best wishes for an easy pregnancy and a safe delivery. :fireworks:
Not surprising.
Good for her and her husband
She and her sister are very close and their kids will be first cousins and close.
I hope Beatrice has a boy too.
How many greatgrands did The Q and PP have this year? 4 greatgrands?
TQ is no doubt pleased with grandchildren and their families.
Two boys this year, from Eugenie and Zara. By the time Beatrice gives birth in the autumn Harry and Meghan?s daughter will be born. The tally will then be altogether, six great-granddaughters and five great-grandsons. So I?m hoping that Beatrice has a boy, just to balance it up.
Princess Beatrice is pregnant | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9595211/Princess-Beatrice-pregnant.html)
Princess Beatrice pregnant: How royal will raise her child as a brother for stepson Wolfie | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9595303/Princess-Beatrice-pregnant-royal-raise-child-brother-stepson-Wolfie.html)
Good advice and tips from aunt Princess Anne
How recent royal baby boom has pushed family members three steps further from throne | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9595325/How-recent-royal-baby-boom-pushed-family-members-three-steps-throne.html)
Baby will be 11th throne
The royal names Princess Beatrice could call new baby | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9595307/The-royal-names-Princess-Beatrice-call-new-baby.html)
We have wait till gender reveal girl or boy boy don?t say anything about that kept underwraps names till birth 🤐🤫
Princess Beatrice Pregnant, Expecting First Child | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-pregnant-first-child-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi/)
Princess Beatrice pregnant with first child with husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi - live updates | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2021051993992/princess-beatrice-pregnant-first-child-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi/)
Prince Charles and Duchess of Cornwall share joy at Princess Beatrice's baby news | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210519113492/prince-charles-camilla-react-princess-beatrice-baby-news/)
Princess Beatrice's Baby Name Predictions Are In | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-baby-name-predictions/)
Nod to her husband?s background names I understand not traditional names
Unusual royal baby traditions pregnant Meghan Markle won't have to follow with her daughter | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/gallery/20210519113320/royal-baby-unusual-traditions-family-followed/1/)
Meghan not chosen royal traditional like Cambridges kept underwraps privately but Meghan need her mom at her side during birth but no town criers
Why Princess Beatrice's baby will have a title but not Princess Eugenie's | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210519113556/why-princess-beatrice-baby-will-have-a-title/)
If boy will be Count or if girl will be Nobile Donna (Nobile Woman)
How Princess Beatrice's pregnancy will differ from sister Princess Eugenie's | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/20210519113515/how-princess-beatrice-pregnancy-differ-from-princess-eugenie/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57167879
Due autumn
Princess Beatrice pregnant with first child, says Buckingham Palace | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/princess-beatrice-pregnant-with-first-child-says-buckingham-palace-12310660)
Princess Eugenie v Beatrice: Eugenie royal status to be hit by arrival of Bea's royal baby | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1438344/princess-eugenie-v-princess-beatrice-line-of-succession-royal-baby-evg)
Baby will be 11th throne
Royal baby due dates: The FIVE royal babies of 2021 - timeline | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1438319/Royal-baby-due-dates-2021-timeline-evg)
Baby royal boom include Zara,Eugenie,Meghan,Beatrice but Pippa is Kate?s sister not part of royal family
Sarah Ferguson opens up on being a grandmother as she readies to welcome Beatrice's child | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1438316/sarah-ferguson-news-grandmother-princess-eugenie-son-august-princess-beatrice-pregnant)
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I?m sure Beatrice and Eduardo makes decisions have traditional names or not traditional names kept underwraps names till christening dont says anything about that 🤐🤫
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Kept underwraps due date till birth date kept zipit dont say anything about that 🤐🤫
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Same Eugenie?s baby
Royal baby: Princess Beatrice is expecting a child in autumn, Buckingham Palace announces | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-05-19/royal-baby-princess-beatrice-is-expecting-a-child-in-autumn-buckingham-palace-announces)
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Princess Beatrice reveals she's PREGNANT on Harry & Meghan's anniversary - 3 years after announcement at Eugenie wedding (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15001217/princess-beatrice-pregnant-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi/)
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Princess Beatrice is pregnant with her first child (https://www.today.com/parents/princess-beatrice-pregnant-her-first-child-t218928)
Wonderful news! I was so hoping this would happen!!
Congrats to the couple! :flower3: She looks far along. When is the baby due?
Quote from: Blue Clover on May 20, 2021, 04:41:32 AM
Congrats to the couple! :flower3: She looks far along. When is the baby due?
The announcement says autumn. So end of September at earliest (unless they were just speaking in general).
September 21 or so would make her 22 weeks which fits.
Congratulations to the couple and both families. :flower3: Fourth great-grandchild this year. If a boy we could even the numbers for the queen.
Congratulations to Princess Beatrice and Edoardo! :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:
Quote from: TudorQueen on May 20, 2021, 05:06:21 AM
The announcement says autumn. So end of September at earliest (unless they were just speaking in general).
September 21 or so would make her 22 weeks which fits.
Congratulations to the couple and both families. :flower3: Fourth great-grandchild this year. If a boy we could even the numbers for the queen.
Remembering how adorable Beatrice was as a toddler makes me hope she has a girl!
Quote from: TudorQueen on May 20, 2021, 05:06:21 AM
The announcement says autumn. So end of September at earliest (unless they were just speaking in general).
September 21 or so would make her 22 weeks which fits.
Congratulations to the couple and both families. :flower3: Fourth great-grandchild this year. If a boy we could even the numbers for the queen.
So she is 5 months at the time of the announcement. That's late to announce. I guess they didn't want to deal with press stress or maybe there is some other reason - perhaps her grandfather's death
Quote from: Blue Clover on May 22, 2021, 02:39:37 AM
So she is 5 months at the time of the announcement. That's late to announce. I guess they didn't want to deal with press stress or maybe there is some other reason - perhaps her grandfather's death
Yes I'd think out of respect for her grandmother, and she herself mourning her grandfather, they opted to wait to announce.
They likely shared with the family some time ago. Its likely Philip even knew there was another baby on the way when he died.
A new baby is such happy news. Especially a first baby. It is better they wait to pass the time of mourning, and happier times to announce. :consoling1:
I tend to think the baby will come in October. I?m hopeless about such predictions but Bea doesn?t look five months gone to me.
They only ever give a rough approximation of when a baby is due.. and usually announce around 3 months of pregnancy. However it is likely that with Philip's death they waited another month or so....
Quote from: TudorQueen on May 20, 2021, 05:06:21 AM
The announcement says autumn. So end of September at earliest (unless they were just speaking in general).
September 21 or so would make her 22 weeks which fits.
Congratulations to the couple and both families. :flower3: Fourth great-grandchild this year. If a boy we could even the numbers for the queen.
I?m not sure when she due but kept private underwraps due date but Beatrice wants kept private pregnant weeks and months
Its not just Beatrice, its how the royal family handles all pregnancies. They give a general. The best we get sometimes is early or late season.
With Philip's death its and only one photo it is hard to even guess.
If she just hit thirteen weeks (usually when people find it safe to announce) she'd be due around late November.
But then again she may be further along and waited to announce due to Philip. If she is due late October she would have been about 10 weeks pregnant when Philip died. Announcing a pregnancy 2 weeks after his funeral may have seemed bad timing, and they waited.
We will just have to wait and see.
I think generally pregnancies in the royal family are announced only after the first trimester is successfully completed. Of course people who have suffered miscarriages such as Zara are more cautious about this than others. I?m still sticking with October for Beatrice because I don?t believe the couple would have greatly postponed the announcement and to me she just doesn?t look too far gone in her pregnancy. However, I?m often wrong in such things!
Quote from: TudorQueen on May 22, 2021, 09:43:05 PM
Its not just Beatrice, its how the royal family handles all pregnancies. They give a general. The best we get sometimes is early or late season.
With Philip's death its and only one photo it is hard to even guess.
If she just hit thirteen weeks (usually when people find it safe to announce) she'd be due around late November.
But then again she may be further along and waited to announce due to Philip. If she is due late October she would have been about 10 weeks pregnant when Philip died. Announcing a pregnancy 2 weeks after his funeral may have seemed bad timing, and they waited.
We will just have to wait and see.
Lately they all seem to delay announcing until it becomes noticed. I saw a photograph this week in which she definitely looks pregnant. I'm so happy for her!
They always announce what season of the year the baby will be born. Autumn runs from 1 Sept to 30 Nov. With medical advancement as in technology may live with an early birth (from 7 months) or at full gestation (9 months).
Princess Beatrice looks glamorous in green as she cradles her baby bump in sunny London | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9657135/Princess-Beatrice-looks-glamorous-green-cradles-baby-bump-sunny-London.html)
Aww Beatrice is truly glowing. They seem very happy together.
TALK OF THE TOWN: Princess Beatrice and hires a ?1,000-a-week Norland nanny | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9704353/TALK-TOWN-Princess-Beatrice-hires-1-000-week-Norland-nanny.html)
Princess Beatrice follows in Kate's footsteps and hires ?1,000-a-week Norland nanny | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1452205/princess-beatrice-pregnant-hires-nanny-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi-royal-baby)
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For now its pure speculation based on 'its the royal thing to do'.
I see they also suggest 'they have secured a house in Oxford'. Last I read they were 'said to be looking'.
Princess Beatrice baby: Royal 'shopping for family home' to welcome first child | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1440378/Princess-Beatrice-baby-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi-family-home-oxford-royal-family-latest-vn)
Both make sense, and considering they have the money its not a stretch. But the tabloids seem to be making a story right now.
Of course they're making stories, that's what they do.
The couple will need a nanny due to the fact they both have jobs, but a Norland one? Very expensive, but we shall see.
As for a home in Oxford, that would quite a journey each day into the city of London for Edo. Unless he is setting up shop in Oxford it?s very unlikely IMO. I remember before the Sussexes set up home at FC the tabloids were forever suggesting they were going to live in this house or that in the Cotswolds. Practically every week it was a new house. Estate agents were delighted about it.
What they mean is Edo is to inherit his mother's manor, it's similar to the Middleton home. Edo and Bea spent the quarantine there. The DM had pictures of the mansion, gardens, etc. Publication I recall Oct 2020.
That however is not what the tabloid said or even implied in the article. The Express headlines were that the couple were ?shopping for a new family home? before the birth of their baby. In the text of the article it talked about the couple being spotted looking at a luxury multi million pound home complete with pool that was for sale.
Edo?s mother wasn?t even mentioned in this article nor was there the slightest hint of Edo inheriting a home from his mother, who is alive. So this journalist didnt ?mean? anything of the sort. It was one of those fluff pieces I mentioned before where tabloids collude with estate agencies and spruik various properties that royals or celebs are supposedly about to buy or have already purchased.
Quote from: wannable on June 21, 2021, 01:37:07 AM
What they mean is Edo is to inherit his mother's manor, it's similar to the Middleton home. Edo and Bea spent the quarantine there. The DM had pictures of the mansion, gardens, etc. Publication I recall Oct 2020.
And that would be a reach by tabloids to suggest as well. But the paper was speaking about purchasing a house not inheriting.
Edo is not an only child. He has a full sister and a half brother. The house his mother lives in she also shares with her current husband (who has three children of his own). To suggest Nikki will leave her 'estate' to Edo is just a blind guess by anyone who makes it.
I am not sure if the home she lives in was hers before she married David.Or she bought with David so he and his kids factor into it.
David also has a home in Wales that he inherited from his family Carregfelen.
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The Mapelli-Mozi family own one or two villas in Italy still. No idea if Alex owns either himself, and perhaps Edo would inherit. But thats a summer home at best for them.
Oops, The Express. I had read it differently from the Daily Mail, Talk of the Town weekly section: ''She's already secured a family pile in Oxfordshire and now ultra-organised Princess Beatrice and her husband Edo Mapelli-Mozzi have a nanny nailed on, too''.
Past tense: already secured. So I has thought it was Edo's mother's home (she lives there all year round) but then it well and truly may be a new barn converted home they had seen early this year.
The DM, TheS, and other Brit newspapers are just making up any story on a whim every single day.
If this true, if she has already hired a nanny , no big deal.
Whatever the pay scale , only fact is the nanny will be payed .
Beatrice husband can afford a Northland nanny .
He can afford a house too.
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on June 22, 2021, 03:31:06 PM
The DM, TheS, and other Brit newspapers are just making up any story on a whim every single day.
If this true, if she has already hired a nanny , no big deal.
Whatever the pay scale , only fact is the nanny will be payed .
Beatrice husband can afford a Northland nanny .
He can afford a house too.
Yes Edo can afford what he wants for including hired norland nanny and house from his mom?s back and forth from Italy to UK
Pregnancy has done good to her, looking great
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/08/16/45201531-9769015-image-m-82_1625757687954.jpg)
Speculation has arisen Beatrice is expecting a little girl. Someone reported seeing her with a pink bunny when she was out for dinner.
Did Princess Beatrice just accidentally reveal the gender of her unborn baby? | Woman & Home (https://www.womanandhome.com/us/life/royal-news/did-princess-beatrice-just-accidentally-reveal-the-gender-of-her-unborn-baby/)
Better then when 'well she is wearing blue so she must be having a boy'. But have to wait and see if 1. the story was true (no photos) and 2. If its actually a sign.
If I was a pregnant Royal, I would wear a different colour every day and occasionally wear multi colours. Just to mess with peoples minds.
If Princess Beatrice and Edoardo have a daughter, they could name her: Donatella Elisabetta Giovanna.
Other then Elisabetta being a form for Elizabeth I don't see the connection to the couple.
Edo for all his Italian roots is born and raised in the UK. His mother is British. His father spent most of his childhood in the UK (so much so he competed for the British Olympic team). I don't see the couple going full out Italian on their child.
His son is Chrisopher Wolfe, a fully English sounding name. I'd expect something similar.
I am going with Emilia, Poppy, Amy, Sophia for the first name and Elizabeth and Sarah in the mix for the second.
Got a feeling this baby will probably be a girl. Flora, Ivy or Isabell would be nice. And Elizabeth Sarah as middle names of course!
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on July 17, 2021, 10:43:46 PM
If Princess Beatrice and Edoardo have a daughter, they could name her: Donatella Elisabetta Giovanna.
They could, but I doubt it. Edo, in spite of his name, couldn?t be more English. His father competed on the British Olympic team. His stepfather was English. His mother lives in the heart of the English countryside.
Of course the baby will have an Italian surname but it?s doubtful that three Italian forenames would be given to a baby born to the grandchild of a British Queen, and that grandchild?s husband who is in all respects but one an English person. If Edo had been that fond of Italy his son would have been given a distinctive Italian name, but he wasn?t.
I am getting girl vibes too. I wonder if Beatrice and Edo might consider continue to use the more traditional names associated with the BRF or go with a more contemporary one?
I don't know if they would go traditional royal. But I do think they will so slightly classical.Not the Savannah route.
Could see something like Isabel, Arabella, Violet or such.
I expect Elizabeth will be part of the name. Other than that something fashionable...
Quote from: TudorQueen on July 18, 2021, 07:27:31 PM
I don't know if they would go traditional royal. But I do think they will so slightly classical.Not the Savannah route.
Could see something like Isabel, Arabella, Violet or such.
I wonder if Alice or a version of it ie: Alicia, Allyce? might be considered? It's not been used as a first name among the British Royal Family in many years.
I thought htat William and Kate might use it, but they didn't.. it hasn't been used by others who have had babies in the past few years. Depends if Beatrice likes Victorian style names. I think they'll have something a bit more fancy and then Beatrice Elizabeth after it...
Do you think that Princess Beatrice and Edoardo will give the baby just two names? Or might they use more than two names?
That?s entirely up to them. I do think Elizabeth will be one middle name if it?s a girl which everyone is predicting. However if they really love two girls? names and can?t choose between them it?s entirely possible IMO that they would toss up between one or the other, using one as a forename and the other as an extra middle name. If not it?s likely to be two names only.
Bigger question will they do like Wolfie. Will they choose a formal first name to honor a family member, and then go by a more personal middle.
Wolfie is Christopher Wolfe. He was was named for Edo's beloved stepfather Christopher Shale. Wolfe a more personal choice, and his call name.
My first thought went to Elizabeth for a girl if they did this route, but I am wondering if too close to Lilibet.
thoughts:
Alexandra Poppy Mapelli-Mozi- Alexandra for the queen. To be called Poppy
Mary Ava Mapelli-Mozi- Mary as middle name of both her and the queen. Ava her call name.
could also even though I have avoided Italian names instead of Alexandra use Alessandra. Nod to both the queen and Edo (feminine of his middle name and his father's name).
If a boy:
Ronald Oliver:Ronald for her maternal grandfather. To be called Oliver.
Philip Theo: Philip for her grandfather. Theo to be his call name.
If they do plan to call the baby by his/her first name, I still lean to more trendy but classical name. If they include Elizabeth/Philip I think they may go three names, to have two personal choices. But not certain as Edo and his son only have 2.
Alicia Nicola Elizabeth- or Alice as I keep hoping a royal to do. Elizabeth for the queen, Nicola for Edo's mom
Oliver Philip Edoardo- trendy, Prince Philip, baby's dad (or Alessandro for Edo's middle name and dad)
@TudorQueen -Great name choices and I agree that the couple might opt for an Italian version of a traditional English name.
Princess Beatrice and Edoardo set sights on Cotswolod home.
Beatrice and Edoardo 'set sights on ?3m Cotswold home' as baby's due date nears - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJkCaEaQEiE)
People Magazine predict it will have an Italian name.
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Quote from: wannable on August 06, 2021, 03:35:30 PM
People Magazine predict it will have an Italian name.
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For a daughter the mention of Cecilia is pretty.
Francesco for a son would be nice.
People magazine didnt make any predictions, they are posting what the bookies have listed.
Almost the same names as usual, including Theodor. A few new ones like Francesco thrown in for good measure. Bookies are never close.
Its the whole 'he is an Italian count and his son will inherit the family manor' that is driving names like Francesco.
You might as well put your hand in a baby name book and randomly point. You'd have as likely a chance at guessing as something like Franceso has of being used.
The very least they could do is be less lazy and at least pick a few Italian names from Edo' family. Like Alessandro or Gianpaulo (his fatehr and grandfather). Lot more believable then the very British Edo and very British Beatrice choosing Francesco.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 06, 2021, 09:56:54 PM
For a daughter the mention of Cecilia is pretty.
Francesco for a son would be nice.
Of all the names I have read about Princess Beatrice baby, I must say you have the best, they are such elegant names and not something a person hears all the time.
Impossible to guess. Beatrice isn't that well known, at least not to me.. and her husband not at all. the only thing one can guess is that the baby will problaby have Elizabeth in her names if a girl.. And its unlikely that a boy will have Andrew in the names.
I suppose there?s a slight chance that the parents could consider another of Andrew?s names, Christian, as a middle name shout out to him, but I wouldn?t put my life on it. I?ve just got a feeling that it will be a girl this time and although I think Francesca is quite a nice name for a girl there is a snowdrop?s chance in hell that Beatrice and Edo will choose it.
As with Eugenie?s son I think their baby will be given a name no-one will pick. Something vaguely Victorian (if Fergie has her way) and upperclass, so that he/she won?t stick out like a sore thumb among their classmates in the future. Flora Elizabeth or Alice Elizabeth perhaps.
Quote from: Nightowl on August 07, 2021, 09:20:24 AM
Of all the names I have read about Princess Beatrice baby, I must say you have the best, they are such elegant names and not something a person hears all the time.
@Nightowl, I am glad that you like Celia and Francesco.
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Bea looks happy in her marriage and her pregnancy!
Quote from: Curryong on August 07, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
I suppose there?s a slight chance that the parents could consider another of Andrew?s names, Christian, as a middle name shout out to him, but I wouldn?t put my life on it. I?ve just got a feeling that it will be a girl this time and although I think Francesca is quite a nice name for a girl there is a snowdrop?s chance in hell that Beatrice and Edo will choose it.
As with Eugenie?s son I think their baby will be given a name no-one will pick. Something vaguely Victorian (if Fergie has her way) and upperclass, so that he/she won?t stick out like a sore thumb among their classmates in the future. Flora Elizabeth or Alice Elizabeth perhaps.
If your hunch is right and Bee has a girl, there are some names that have not been used in quite some time. Alexandra for one, and Alice for another. Alexandra Mapelli does sound very nice, don't you think?
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 04, 2021, 01:06:36 AM
If your hunch is right and Bee has a girl, there are some names that have not been used in quite some time. Alexandra for one, and Alice for another. Alexandra Mapelli does sound very nice, don't you think?
I do think that Alexandra Mapelli sounds lovely. I?ve always liked the name. Aren?t that hopeful though. It will probably be a name nobody has predicted.
Quote from: Curryong on September 04, 2021, 03:01:22 AM
I do think that Alexandra Mapelli sounds lovely. I?ve always liked the name. Aren?t that hopeful though. It will probably be a name nobody has predicted.
Yes, parents in today's world pick unusual names or possibly names that are so old they are coming back in style.
Princess Beatrice spotted out last night in Central London.
Pregnant Beatrice shows off burgeoning baby bump as she leaves private members club in Mayfair | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9992789/Pregnant-Beatrice-shows-burgeoning-baby-bump-leaves-private-members-club-Mayfair.html)
I suppose Bea?s bump IS burgeoning! She may have only about three weeks or so to go now before the birth.
I agree that Beatrice is getting close to her delivery date. IMO one advantage is that unlike her sister, Beatrice's torso is a bit longer so there's more space for baby at this point. Good to see that she's switched to flats.
Yes, they do have quite different physiques. Eugenie and I have something in common, we?re both short-waisted. Not too long to find out now whether it?s a boy or girl for Beatrice and Edo.
Not sure how accurate this information is but The Sun is reporting that Beatrice has been admitted to the hospital and Eduardo is with her. If that is the case, then I wish her and baby all the best.
Prince Andrew 'set to leave Balmoral hideaway to see pregnant Princess Beatrice in hospital' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16177724/prince-andrew-pregnant-princess-beatrice/)
QuotePrincess Beatrice, 33, was admitted on Friday. Husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, 38, was believed to be with her.
Goodness, I hope it?s not bad news, or a prem birth. On the other hand, although lots of people, including myself who is appalling at predicting times of royal births, thought maybe October perhaps it was supposed to be a late Sept birth after all. Prince Andrew supposedly rushing to London, if true, must mean something. Where?s Sarah?
Its only 11 days till October. If she does go into labor the baby is likely not that early. If she is due in October.
I have my doubts she was in active labor. It is said she was admitted Friday and yet there is no news. Nor any sign that either parent has come to her side. The second rumors surfaced that Beatrice may be in the hospital I'd think the media would have an eye out for Fergie or Eugenie visiting her as surely both would have gone to the hospital. Hope for her sake she has not been in active labor for nearly 2 days.
Hopefully if she is in the hospital its nothing too concerning. And she will simply have to take it easy until the baby comes.
It might have been false labour pains, perhaps. In my first pregnancy I was near the due date, got pains, was admitted, and then after a few hours it all died down again and I was discharged. Maybe that?s what happened in this case and Bea quietly left hospital that night and is resting at home. No news is good news in this situation I think as there?s been nothing since Friday.
Quote from: Curryong on September 19, 2021, 02:17:04 AM
Goodness, I hope it?s not bad news, or a prem birth. On the other hand, although lots of people, including myself who is appalling at predicting times of royal births, thought maybe October perhaps it was supposed to be a late Sept birth after all. Prince Andrew supposedly rushing to London, if true, must mean something. Where?s Sarah?
I am also hoping that this might be false labor, but I believe that she would have been discharged once that was discovered. Hopefully it's not a more serious concern ie Pre-eclampsia. As for her mother, I am wondering if the hospitals are still limiting visitors due to COVID protocols?
Prince Andrew 'is set to leave Balmoral to see pregnant Princess Beatrice in London hospital' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10005849/Prince-Andrew-set-leave-Balmoral-pregnant-Princess-Beatrice-London-hospital.html)
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Quote from: TLLK on September 19, 2021, 03:26:40 PM
I am also hoping that this might be false labor, but I believe that she would have been discharged once that was discovered. Hopefully it's not a more serious concern ie Pre-eclampsia. As for her mother, I am wondering if the hospitals are still limiting visitors due to COVID protocols?
Hopefully nothing is wrong, though she has been there since Friday. Perhaps this hospital stay is precautionary. There were pictures of her last week in which I thought she looked full in the face and slightly larger in her ankles, which often happens in the last few weeks. Maybe she is further along than we thought. And perhaps Sarah is already there.
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@royalfamilyHer Royal Highness Princess Beatrice and Mr Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi are delighted to announce the safe arrival of their daughter on Saturday 18th September 2021, at 23.42, at the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, London. Read the announcement in full - Announcement of the birth of Princess Beatrice and Mr Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi's baby | The Royal Family (https://bit.ly/3ExlRat)
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So delighted to share the news of the safe arrival of our daughter on Saturday 18th September 2021, at 23.42, at the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, London. Thank you to the Midwife team and everyone at the hospital for their wonderful care
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Happy news! I totally forgive them for making us worry yesterday :hehe:
Congratulations!
Great news! A daughter, which several people here predicted. A bit of a wait but perfect in the end!
Chelsea and Westminster Hospital is a bit of a surprise locale for the York?s!
Congratulations to the little family. Glad that mother and daughter are doing well.
Best news to wake up to :happy20:
I thought it might be a boy but happy to hear a little girl. Big congratulations to the couple and both families :flower3:
She is a bit small which suggests she was indeed a bit early. Happy she is healthy and will soon be meeting her family.
Eugenie's congrats
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUDKQkdo-MJ/
Now to wait for a name and photo. Hopefully in a few days we will get it like we did baby August. But let the parents just enjoy this time.
Princess Beatrice gives birth | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10008387/Princess-Beatrice-gives-birth.html)
Newborn weight 6lbs 2ozs but not born at Portland hospital its Chelsea and Westminster Hospital
Princess Beatrice Welcomes First Child with Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-welcomes-first-child-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi/)
Princess Eugenie Congratulates Sister Princess Beatrice on Baby | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-eugenie-congratulates-princess-beatrice-baby-girl/)
Princess Beatrice Baby: Where Is She in the Royal Line of Succession? | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrices-daughter-british-royal-line-of-succession/)
Princess Beatrice Baby Girl Will Have Royal Title | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-daughter-has-royal-title-but-princess-eugenie-son-does-not/)
Princess Beatrice welcomes first baby with husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi - LIVE UPDATES | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920119643/princess-beatrice-gives-birth-first-royal-baby/)
Princess Eugenie pens sweet note to Princess Beatrice's royal baby | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920120389/princess-eugenie-congratulates-princess-beatrice-first-baby/)
Sarah Ferguson 'over the moon' to meet Princess Beatrice's baby daughter | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920122120/sarah-ferguson-over-the-moon-baby-granddaughter/)
Princess Beatrice's husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi breaks Twitter silence after birth of royal baby | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920119808/princess-beatrice-husband-breaks-silence-royal-baby/)
Why Princess Beatrice's baby will have a title but not Princess Eugenie's | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920122099/why-princess-beatrice-baby-will-have-title/)
Kate Middleton and Prince William celebrate birth of Princess Beatrice's royal baby | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920119817/kate-middleton-prince-william-congratulate-princess-beatrice-royal-baby/)
The Queen reveals delight at the arrival of Princess Beatrice's baby girl - read statement | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920119652/the-queen-shares-joy-after-princess-beatrice-gives-birth-royal-baby/)
Princess Beatrice breaks silence after royal baby daughter's birth | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210920122098/princess-beatrice-breaks-silence-after-giving-birth/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58627115
Princess Beatrice 'so delighted' after giving birth to a daughter | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/princess-beatrice-so-delighted-as-she-reveals-birth-of-daughter-12412893)
Princess Beatrice gives birth to a girl | Princess Beatrix | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/20/princess-beatrice-gives-birth-to-baby-girl)
Princess Eugenie shares new nickname as royal baby arrives | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1494054/princess-Beatrice-baby-news-princess-eugenie-sends-sweet-message-to-royal-baby)
Princess Beatrice celebrates baby's birth with Edoardo - Queen 'delighted' at news | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493816/Princess-Beatrice-birth-daughter-statement-latest-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi-Chelsea-hospital)
Princess Beatrice baby news: Sweet nod to stepson Wolfie in palace statement | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493833/princess-beatrice-baby-news-latest-stepson-wolfie-buckingham-palace-royal-family)
Sarah Ferguson 'over the moon' following birth of Princess Beatrice?s baby girl | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1494002/Sarah-ferguson-news-princess-Beatrice-baby-name-daughter-royal-family-latest)
When we can expect the first picture of Princess Beatrice's baby - all the details | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493997/princess-beatrice-baby-first-picture-evg)
The FIVE royals who could play a pivotal role in life of Princess Beatrice's daughter | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493967/princess-beatrice-daughter-royal-family-evg)
Princess Beatrice baby name: Royal's own name was changed after Queen said 'too yuppie' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493933/princess-beatrice-baby-name-royal-family-queen-elizabeth-ii-yuppie-spt)
Princess Beatrice 'fantastic step-mummy' to Edo's son Wolfie even before daughter's birth | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493883/princess-beatrice-baby-daughter-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi-son-wolfie-royal-family-spt)
Princess Beatrice baby: Beautiful link with sister Eugenie in new baby's hospital | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493877/princess-beatrice-baby-news-link-princess-eugenie-hospital-royal-family-spt)
Princess Beatrice breaks royal tradition - Inside posh Chelsea hospital she gave birth in | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493818/princess-beatrice-baby-where-was-royal-baby-born-evg)
Princess Beatrice's baby prompts line of succession reshuffle - and bumps Eugenie down | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1493817/princess-beatrice-baby-line-of-succession-royal-baby-evg)
Princess Beatrice gives birth to baby girl with husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-princess-beatrice-welcomes-baby-24930882)
Princess Beatrice baby: Touching link to sister's family in hospital she gave birth - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/touching-link-princess-eugenies-family-25029367)
Princess Eugenie congratulates her sister Beatrice after birth of her first child - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-eugenie-congratulates-sister-beatrice-25030025)
Fergie 'over the moon' with Princess Beatrice's baby and has already met granddaughter - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fergie-over-moon-princess-beatrices-25029363)
Princess Beatrice baby name odds has clear favourite - along with nod to the Queen - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrice-baby-name-latest-25028200)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrices-baby-sits-line-25028243
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrices-baby-title-even-25027616
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/royal-baby-traditions-princess-beatrice-25025499
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16189433/princess-beatrice-baby-edoardo-mozzi-announce-birth-girl/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/16193771/princess-beatrice-baby-name-sweet-nod-grandma-bookies/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/breaking-princess-beatrice-gives-birth-to-her-first-child-165866/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/what-will-princess-beatrice-name-her-baby-girl-165662/
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/new-mum-princess-beatrice-shares-her-pride-in-her-baby-girl-165919/
Congratulations to Edoardo and Princess Beatrice!
I like the article about the new little girl possibly being a Contessa.
Holly Branson congratulates close friend Princess Beatrice on birth of her baby girl | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10013211/Holly-Branson-congratulates-close-friend-Princess-Beatrice-birth-baby-girl.html)
Princess Beatrice's daughter is a Virgo - what does her star sign mean for the tiny royal's future? | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10009499/Princess-Beatrices-daughter-Virgo-does-star-sign-mean-tiny-royals-future.html)
Sarah Ferguson's sister Jane reacts to Princess Beatrice's royal baby joy | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210921122206/sarah-ferguson-sister-jane-reacts-princess-beatrice-first-baby/)
Royal fans delighted as Princess Beatrice baby name favourite pays tribute to Queen | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1494338/Princess-beatrice-baby-name-odds-latest-news-bookmakers-william-hill-ladbrokes)
Princess Beatrice's name was changed after the Queen thought it was 'too yuppie' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrices-name-changed-after-25035929)
Inside Princess Beatrice's ?10k luxury maternity hospital - king-size beds and afternoon tea - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-princess-beatrices-10k-luxury-25034381)
Princess Beatrice's baby 'has hint of red hair' and grandmother Fergie is 'smitten' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrices-baby-has-hint-25043534.amp?__twitter_impression=true)
Instead of Philippa being used for a middle name, the variant of Philippine or Philippina could be used.
Don't see them using a French version, if they honor Philip they will go the English name IMO.But I dont think they will.
I still have fingers crossed for Alice. The York family seems to favor Victorian names and it would also honor Philip (His mother)
-Beatrice- fifth daughter and youngest of Victoria
-Eugenie- her middle names are for Queen Victoria herself and Victoria's third daughter Helena. Eugenie is the name of Victoria's granddaughter
-August- his name is taken from one of the middle names of Prince Albert
Louise is out (I doubt would use her cousin's name). So Alice is the last daughter of Victoria, except Victoria itself.
My last guesses now that we know a girl:
If three names:
Alice Elizabeth Nicola- Victorian/Philip, the queen, Edo's mom
if two names like Edo and his son:
Alexandra Poppy- Alexandra in honor of the queen since Harry used Elizabeth (its also an honor to Edo and his dad as its the English form of the femine of Alessandro) and Poppy as a more trendy personal name.
If they go the two name way, I still believe it will be like Wolfie. A formal name to honor the family, and a trendy name (maybe not Poppy) as a middle name and their every day call name.
I also like Alice. I see Bea as more traditional than Eugenie but that doesn?t mean that a rather trendy flowery Victorian name wouldn?t be considered. Alice Elizabeth, or Flora Elizabeth might be used. I can?t see them going for three names myself, unless the couple feel they have to, and IMO any reference to Philip ie as in Philippa/Pippa is out, as the Press would immediately start nattering about Kate?s sister being honoured.
Choosing to name her Alice would also be a way of honoring Philip, since Alice was his mother's name as well as his great grandmother's name. It was once well used in the RF but it's been a while since it was used. But even if Beatrice is more traditional than her sister, her wardrobe choices reveal that she is not very much of a traditionalist at all. I could see her choosing something really different.
Quote from: Curryong on September 23, 2021, 07:31:54 AM
I also like Alice. I see Bea as more traditional than Eugenie but that doesn?t mean that a rather trendy flowery Victorian name wouldn?t be considered. Alice Elizabeth, or Flora Elizabeth might be used. I can?t see them going for three names myself, unless the couple feel they have to, and IMO any reference to Philip ie as in Philippa/Pippa is out, as the Press would immediately start nattering about Kate?s sister being honoured.
If Philippa is used, let the press say what it may. Philippa honors Prince Philip, not Philippa Matthews.
Princess Beatrice's royal baby name announcement - when can we expect it? | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210927122649/when-will-princess-beatrice-announce-royal-baby-name/)
Wait for names till confirmation from palace and York
Princess Beatrice following royal tradition with naming of newborn daughter | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1497307/princess-beatrice-baby-name-daughter-royal-family-update-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi)
Why Princess Beatrice hasn't announced baby girl's name yet - but it could be soon - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrice-hasnt-announced-baby-25079892)
Usually it's a special day with no Senior Royals doing a duty or the 3 households are in sync to post at the exact same time :high5: so all the media and social media attention can be for the parents and the new baby (Name).
The latest 3 households in sync was Prince Philips documentary dedication film (first thing for breakfast, as Charles had a cc later), previously Harry's Happy Birthday (first thing for breakfast as the POWs and the DDoC had CC's later).
The queen is the only senior royal house in question. Neither Clarence or Kensington posted for Lucas or August, I dont see them for this baby.
There were no major event the day August's name was announced but it was also a weekend. And Philip was in the hospital. Charles was seen visiting his dad there the day Eugenie announced her son's name.
The timing for announcing a baby this far down the line of succession's name is not such a show.
Beatrice is slightly more traditional than Eugenie so I wouldn?t be surprised to see a BP announcement on its Twitter Page. It may come within the next week. Who knows whether they are still debating the baby?s first name. I remember one couple who couldn?t make their minds up for a month!
Quote from: Curryong on September 28, 2021, 02:01:51 AM
Beatrice is slightly more traditional than Eugenie so I wouldn?t be surprised to see a BP announcement on its Twitter Page. It may come within the next week. Who knows whether they are still debating the baby?s first name. I remember one couple who couldn?t make their minds up for a month!
Buckingham palace did for Eugenie as well.
https://twitter.com/royalfamily/status/1363077894608719874?lang=en
But the suggestion was that all three major households (the queen/Clarence house/Kensington) would make a coordinated announcement. And this would require a day that no senior royal was working.
This hasnt been done for August or any of the other untitled grandchildren of the queen. I dont see it starting now. BP yes, the others no.
Not quite a month but I remember Louise's was almost 3 weeks. I was living in the UK at the time and drove me crazy wanting to know.
well Sophie had quite a bad time when Louise was born.. perhaps they wanted to wait till she was better to announce the name. But Beatrice is almost a private individual. No real need for her to hurry with announcing hte baby's name
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 28, 2021, 07:36:19 AM
well Sophie had quite a bad time when Louise was born.. perhaps they wanted to wait till she was better to announce the name. But Beatrice is almost a private individual. No real need for her to hurry with announcing hte baby's name
Yes Countess of Wessex want wait for announcements names when Sophie had Louise and James after born for weeks and months
Beatrice is daughter of Duke of York and Sarah,Duchess of York and also she is granddaughter of HM Queen Elizabeth II she had right waiting for announcements about weeks and months her newborn baby daughter is 11 days old
Another five weeks to go before the time for registering this little girl runs out in the UK.
Breaking News: Sienna Elizabeth Mapelli Mozzi
I like the inclusion of Elizabeth. Jury still out on Sienna. Too trendy for me.
Not a fan of Sienna but to each their own.
Pronunciation: /siˈɛnə/ see-EN-ə
Gender: female
Origin: Italian
Meaning: name of a city in Italy
I think Sienna Elizabeth is very pretty. Elizabeth was a given I suppose, but both names go well together IMO. They pay homage to both her British and Italian roots (and presumably to her tawny hair as sienna means a rusty brown colour.) It?s not a traditional royal name but I really can?t see either of the Yorkies going that route for their offspring.
Are the baby footprints going to be criticised as other non-full frontal photos/illustrations have been, one wonders?
Quote from: Macrobug67 on October 01, 2021, 02:48:02 PM
I like the inclusion of Elizabeth. Jury still out on Sienna. Too trendy for me.
Is or was Sienna popular in Canada at all? It was very trendy for a while in Britain about a decade ago, and also in Oz at around the same time. Haven?t heard of any baby Siennas around for quite some years though. This naming may bring it back a bit in England.
There is a Senna, daughter of Lady Davina Lewis.. which I think is pretty awful. Not a fan of Sienna either...but its not bad....
It's a lovely name IMO and I hope that we'll be treated to a photo of the family with the newest addition soon.
I like Sienna. Its a lovely name. Perhaps because its never been that trendy here in Canada (you wont find 2 in every classroom or even 1).
I had a feeling we would get a more trendy first name and a traditional middle name. Opposite of her big brother.
I hope we get a photo soon to go with the name :flower3:
@Amabel2 Davina's husband is a Kiwi of Maori descent. They took the freedom of being so removed from the throne to honor his heritage (there son Tane a bit more obvious) Senna is a common plant there and Kowhai means yellow in Maori and is the name of a group of plants common in New Zealand. I like they chose unique names reflecting their non royal side.
As I have said, I think it?s a lovely name. However the bookies made a killing I would imagine with all the bets on Alexandra, Alice, Victoria and the rest. After August was born it might be as well for royal watchers incorporated to put away their crystal balls!
Welcome to the world Sienna Elizabeth! | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10049783/Welcome-world-Sienna-Elizabeth.html)
Princess Beatrice's Baby's Name Includes Tribute to Queen Elizabeth | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-baby-name-sienna-elizabeth-mapelli-mozzi/)
Princess Beatrice's royal baby name revealed - and it has a special connection to the Queen | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20211001119735/princess-beatrice-reveals-royal-baby-name/)
How Princess Beatrice's mother Sarah Ferguson inspired new baby's name | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20211001123073/princess-beatrice-sweet-meaning-baby-name-sienna-revealed/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58764940
Princess Beatrice and husband Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi reveal name of newborn daughter | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/princess-beatrice-and-husband-eduardo-mapelli-mozzi-reveal-name-of-newborn-daughter-12423156)
Princess Beatrice followed Harry and Meghan baby trend when picking daughter's name | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1499642/princess-beatrice-edoardo-mapelli-mozzi-prince-harry-meghan-markle-baby-name)
Princess Beatrice shares baby name and new picture with beautiful tribute to Queen | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1499604/princess-beatrice-news-baby-name-sienna-elizabeth-mapelli-mozzi)
Princess Beatrice baby name meaning: What does the royal baby name mean? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1499616/Princess-Beatrice-baby-name-What-does-Sienna-mean-evg)
Princess Beatrice and Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi reveal name of new baby girl | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-01/princess-beatrice-and-husband-reveal-name-of-new-baby-daughter)
Princess Beatrice reveals baby daughter's name as she shares beautiful footprint photo - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-princess-beatrice-reveal-baby-25032922)
Princess Beatrice reveals daughter's name Sienna Elizabeth Mapelli Mozzi as she shares sweet pic of baby's footprint (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16302501/princess-beatrice-baby-name-picture/)
Princess Beatrice reveals baby daughter?s name ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/princess-beatrice-reveals-baby-daughters-name-166547/)
No release baby pictures like Meghan for security reasons till Beatrice decide to debut the baby but Meghan still refuse to release the pictures of Lilibet due against taboilds
Sienna has a pretty pronunciation.
Here is a tour of Siena, Italy: SIENA ?? in 4K Ultra HD Italy - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dsdqUfc6bE)
Princess Beatrice's Baby Sienna Elizabeth's Name Is a Nod to Fergie | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-beatrice-daughter-name-inspired-by-red-hair-sarah-ferguson/)
Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi praises wife and newborn in touching post ? ?Feeling so much love!? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1499845/edoardo-mapelli-mozzi-newborn-instagram-princess-beatrice-royal-family-latest-news-ont)
Princess Beatrice and Edoardo's sweet meaning behind adorable name of baby daughter - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-beatrice-edoardos-sweet-tribute-25120511)
Princess Beatrice reveals name of newborn daughter | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/princess-beatrice-birth-baby-girl-queen-elizabeths-12th-80123849)
Princess Beatrice honors Queen Elizabeth with her new baby?s name (https://www.today.com/parents/babies/princess-beatrice-honors-queen-elizabeth-new-babys-name-rcna2500)
Princess Beatrice is urged to follow David Cameron out of scandal-hit tech firm Afiniti after chief executive, 50, is accused of 'forcing friend's daughter, 28, into sex and beating her'
Princess Beatrice is employed in New York as vice-president of strategy and partnerships at Afiniti, which is fighting allegations that Zia Chishti sexually assaulted a female staff member.
Why Princess Beatrice didn't christen Sienna with royal babies August and Lucas | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/20211122126767/princess-beatrice-why-didnt-christen-sienna-with-lucas-august/)
Beatrice and Eduardo make decisions get longer waiting Beatrice born in August 8,1988 and christening before Christmas December 20,1988 when Beatrice was four months Eugenie born in March 23,1990 waiting till nine months to christened before Christmas December 23,1990 respectively for Duke and Duchess of York decisions
Princess Beatrice quits London with Edoardo and baby Sienna to be closert to family | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1531320/Princess-Beatrice-news-Edoardo-Mapelli-Mozzi-Sienna-Elizabeth-royal-latest-vn)
Beatrice pleas for their daughter privacy and still no release pictures yet she follow example of her two cousins Zara and Harry I?m respect Beatrice wanted her daughter born in September 3 months old
Can't blame her, babies come first and time to go to the country enjoy a more peaceful environment. More privacy and less crime and hopefully way less reporters hiding in the bushes.
How wonderful and near his parents, to Anne and Charles too.
Venture to guess they are likely in the Oxford area of the Cotswolds. His mother is in Chipping Norton. And its closer to her family at Windsor, then Highgrove and Gatcombe are.
As much as she may like her older cousins, being close to her sister and August is likely a bigger draw for them.
I'd not be shocked if they keep their apartment in London, or get another. With Wolfie living and going to school in London, and both having jobs in London a base there makes sense.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGGfX3oWUAMo2LT?format=jpg&name=small)
Arriving at the Christmas Carol Concert hosted by Duchess of Cambridge
Princess Beatrice is glowing ......that look on her face is outstanding..full of love and happiness. She also has great arm candy in her hubby there...And I love her coat and the way she did her hair this time...just fabulous!
Quote from: Nightowl on December 09, 2021, 03:21:28 AM
Princess Beatrice is glowing ......that look on her face is outstanding..full of love and happiness. She also has great arm candy in her hubby there...And I love her coat and the way she did her hair this time...just fabulous!
I agree! Eduardo is great arm candy. The coat is beautiful.
Quote from: Blue Clover on December 10, 2021, 01:47:41 AM
I agree! Eduardo is great arm candy. The coat is beautiful.
I agree!
I never heard her complaining about it, but she did go through some very hard times. It's wonderful to see her so happy!
We're now past 15 pages on this thread. It's time to close it and open a new one.