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Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: kasper on June 15, 2003, 02:00:10 AM
from:  pwc (thanks to stevie)

REVEALED: Prince's romance with safari girl  
Wills' secret 'engagement'



By Clive Goodman

PRINCE William fell madly in love with an African safari stunner.

The young royal, 21 next Saturday, was so smitten he went through a secret fun 'engagement' pact with Jessica Craig, daughter of a wealthy game boss, while in Kenya on his gap year break.

A friend revealed last night: "She made a big impression-it was a serious fling."

The handsome young royal fell desperately for stunning Jessica Craig, 21, and the couple pledged their love for each other with a secret 'engagement' in the bush.

It was Jessica-known as Jecca to pals, and whose dad Ian owns the Kenyan ranch where William spent part of his gap year-who inspired the prince's bid to learn the local language Swahili.

And he is planning to return to the remote 55,000-acre Lewa Down game reserve on the slopes of Mount Kenya when he finishes university.

Meanwhile Jecca is expected to be one of the star guests at his 21st birthday party next Saturday.

Passion

William is still so in love with his wild adventure that the entire party has an Out of Africa theme.

One family friend said: "Someone and something clearly made a huge impression on him."

The prince spoke movingly of his passion for Africa during an interview to mark his two years at St Andrews University in Scotland last month.

"I'm trying to teach myself Swahili, which has proved a little harder than I thought," he said.

"I love the people of Africa and I'd like to know more about them, and to speak to them.

"I've got a book and a book-tape-and they're collecting dust quite rapidly but I am trying to make progress." William's hush-hush 'engagement' came to light yesterday in a new profile of the prince.

One Kenyan source is quoted, saying: "It's a fairly open secret that he had a fairly serious fling with a young woman called Jecca Craig while he was in

Kenya.

"Jecca is a really sweet, unaffected girl. Apparently she and William had one of those teenage pretend engagements.

"It always amused us out here that no one ever found out."

Apart from romance another draw for William was the complete isolation.

A friend told us: "That helped keep it all under wraps. The prince was very impressed that not one word about his time there two years ago leaked out."

William spent most of his four-month Africa tour working alongside Jecca and her family at the sprawling privately owned reserve. Her dad Ian said:

"William loves Africa, that's clear. He just loves it out here. He did everything from rhino spotting to anti-poaching patrols and checking fences.


"He's a great boy, enthusiastic and just happy to be getting on with it."

Yesterday the rest of Jecca's family refused to discuss the romance or her secret love pact with William.

She was understood to be staying with her parents at Lewa Down.

Her big brother Will insisted: "I don't know anything-I've got nothing to say."

Although Jecca spends most of the year in Africa she is in touch with William's circle of pals in London.

A family friend disclosed: "She and the prince are still close."

It is understood that since his gap year William has spent a number of private holidays with Jecca and her family.

And now he has confided in friends that he wants to spend a year at Lewa Down before deciding on a military career. "He wants to do something different," explained a pal. "He doesn't want to get onto the royal treadmill of official functions, patronage and public relations.

"William wants to go out into the world and make a difference."

At university William is about to choose whether to carry on with his history of art degree or switch to geography.

"It slightly depends on my exam results," he said in an interview last month.

"I honestly haven't decided yet. I'm torn between the two. But I have to decide soon."

Those closest to the prince expect him to go for geography, partly because the degree would help with conservation work. William-who wears two African friendship bangles collected in Kenya-is understood to have his mother Princess Diana in mind.

Digging

A friend explained: "Her work made a real difference to the world. And that's what William wants to do."

Remote Lewa Down caters for a handful of tourists who stay in basic huts and take dawn rides across the landscape to see the wildlife.

On the prince's return to Africa one job on his roster will be a daily patrol of the vast estate's borders, ensuring boundary fences have not been damaged by poachers. And a special project already earmarked for him is a new water pipeline across the reserve.

One worker on the park said: "He'll literally be digging drainage holes."

Now you never know when that sort of thing might come in handy as king of England.
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To see a glimpse of Jessica Craig:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PrinceWillia...e2/message/8291 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PrinceWilliamCastle2/message/8291)

Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: PrincessPreppy on June 15, 2003, 02:10:31 AM
OMG this is disheartening...preppy calls mother and father in...we need to buy an african rach..PLEASE!!! lol
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 02:16:57 AM
Ooooooohhhh boooooyyyyy!!!  THIS sounds VERY serious... get ready y'all, SHE could be THE ONE...  two years??!!! he's been back THREE times [that they know of] and she's been to Britian SEVERAL times??!! oohhh this IS serious...
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: PrincessPreppy on June 15, 2003, 02:18:28 AM
Ok I am seriously going to cry!! I have never taken any of these girls seriously before but now a love plegge??? Soon it'll be a diamond on her finger and me w/ a  box of tissues!!!
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 02:22:27 AM
... not to mention that she has been in England for the past month, staying with him at Highgrove... never thought I would get hung up this way, but girls, its time to bring out the boxes of tissue... he's TAKEN!!!
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: kasper on June 15, 2003, 02:24:30 AM
.....and don't forget, chocolates and ice cream are good too.......

:lol:  :lol:

Sorry, you guys.  But really, he's only 21.  He NEEDS to fall in love at least once in his life before he gets married.....which I highly doubt will be to that Jessica chick.  If this same story comes out ten years from now when he's 31, then I'll definitely believe that she may be the one, but this is too early.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: PrincessPreppy on June 15, 2003, 02:25:57 AM
ok thanks kasper!! Ok ten years I'll be 25 he'll be 31 it'll be great!!! lol. U know what kind of ice cream brand though...ben and jerry's...anything good and fattening!!
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 02:29:06 AM
OMG!!! in a previous post when the question was asked if he was a bit Girly, I had joked about him having a secret romance for over a year... see below... OMG!!!!    There I was stating the fact and din't realise it... OM GAWD!!!


" It will be hilerious if it should come out that he is quietly dating some stunning brunette for over a year and they are very much in love and want to live together... or something                  like that..."
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: kasper on June 15, 2003, 02:32:06 AM
OMGoodness Leigh, you can see the future!!!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

***brings out the crystal ball***

Now, tell me more!!!  :lol:  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 02:39:09 AM
.. I'm freaking out right now...:: eyes and mouth wide open::
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: kasper on June 15, 2003, 02:43:17 AM
Well, if it makes you feel any better, she's technically not a brunette.,,,,,,

***scratches head***

.....but then again, you can't really tell if she's blonde either........hmm, Leigh, I think you got something there......
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 02:49:36 AM
...still freaking out... just read that she has been staying with him at his cottage up in Balmoral... in other words, they have been living together...
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: kasper on June 15, 2003, 02:54:11 AM
....and I'm sure they also "lived together" while he stayed with her family in Kenya.  I'm sure the summer's heat made it unbearable at night.... ;)  ;)  ;) ....just kiddding.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 02:54:17 AM
...not to mention my previous post about his hard-on and my wondering who he was thinking about... ::freaking out, again::
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: kasper on June 15, 2003, 02:55:23 AM
When in the world did you talk about that?  I think I missed it.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 02:58:23 AM
i had posted that i saw pictures of him today, and in both full length pictures, big hard-on just jutting out of his pants... and i wondered 'who could he be thinking of'?  Its under 'would you tell' or something like that
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: sara1981 on June 15, 2003, 03:46:08 AM
that not true !

where she lived !

he will become future king after his grandmother or his dad he second to the throne !

you know Jessica is FREAK! she cant married to the Royal Family ! if need knew where she lived ?

Sara Boyce
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 03:54:59 AM
I saw this perdiction a while back that someone said that PW will shock the world by getting engaged at the age of 22...Do you think it will happen???
I need a tissue I'm going to cry :(  :(  :(  :(  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 04:10:28 AM
I strongly believe that he will go to Africa after Uni when he graduates at 23, stay there for the 2 years, and get married to Jessica at 25.. that's the age at which he CAN get married without permission from the Queen.  He probably IS 'secretly' engaged unofficially right now, but will make it official after he leaves school.  I am soooooo shocked right now, its hard for me to get to sleep.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 04:13:03 AM
QuoteI strongly believe that he will go to Africa after Uni when he graduates at 23, stay there for the 2 years, and get married to Jessica at 25.. that's the age at which he CAN get married without permission from the Queen.  He probably IS 'secretly' engaged unofficially right now, but will make it official after he leaves school.  I am soooooo shocked right now, its hard for me to get to sleep.
I know what you mean I feel so down it like someone told me that Santa is not real or something :(  :(  :(
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: sara1981 on June 15, 2003, 04:38:21 AM
QuoteI strongly believe that he will go to Africa after Uni when he graduates at 23, stay there for the 2 years, and get married to Jessica at 25.. that's the age at which he CAN get married without permission from the Queen.  He probably IS 'secretly' engaged unofficially right now, but will make it official after he leaves school.  I am soooooo shocked right now, its hard for me to get to sleep.
that true !

must approval from his granny the Queen 2 must agree if who are ? if not going marry that Jessica ! she will be real Freak ! i warn it !

I can get married whether age if i want married at age 25 that fine ! that my choice ! i should trust by William's rules said cant kiss its respect of his mum's ruled ! its disappointment ! ugh!

Sara Boyce  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 05:09:21 AM
Wow,

   I just got home and am reading all of these posts - some pretty amazing developments since I went out a few hours ago! :o

  I don't really know what to think - I wonder if, in two weeks time, this story will still be around or will she fall by the wayside like Amanda Bush, Juliet Rykens, etc.  

  But I think the fact that several newspapers are reporting this makes it seem like he might actually be dating this girl....Although the papers may have exaggerated about the seriousness of the relationship.

  If this is serious, I wish Will all the best and hope that they are both very happy (although I'm jealous as hell!) :D  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 05:16:43 AM
..i'm still in shock and this is waaaaay past my bed time.  I strongly believe that she may be thee ONE.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: pixie on June 15, 2003, 05:24:43 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

I just got home and I can barely digest this news!  It's so terrible.  I'll never get to sleep!

I know I should be happy that they're happy, but I'm so upset.  It's not like I'll ever meet Wills or anything, but this is so disturbing.

Maybe it's not true.  I mean, all the papers say he has a pretty active sex life at St. Andrews, and he wouldn't if he and Jecca (or whatever her stupid wh*rish prince dating name is) were in a SERIOUS serious relationship.  Right?  I mean, maybe it's not true.  Maybe they had a relationship while he was in Africa, and they still hook up, but they're not dating exclusively.  There's still hope, right?  Someone please tell me there's hope.  

DAMNITT!  I was having such a good night and now this . . .  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 05:24:57 AM
I don't know if she's "the one", but he's probably in love with her since he's put in such great effort to maintain their long distance relationship.  

The fact that we have never even heard of her until now is also suspicious - usually ANY girl who is even remotely associated with him has been in the press at some point.   Will and the Royal handlers probably went to great lengths to keep the relationship under wraps so that no mention was made of her in the papers.  And until now, they have been quite successful.

Or here's another ytheory - maybe they're purposely leaking false information about this relationship to cover up for a real relationship he has with another girl. :blink:  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 05:28:09 AM
QuoteI mean, maybe it's not true.  Maybe they had a relationship while he was in Africa, and they still hook up, but they're not dating exclusively.  There's still hope, right?  Someone please tell me there's hope.  

It's alright, pixie, jsut breath....

Maybe she's just a "booty call" whenever he needs some lovin'  ;)  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 05:37:19 AM
...no, apparently it was leaked after he returned from Africa.  But Arabella must feel like betrayed at this point because he had a relationship with her just before he went to St. Andrews. This must have been AFTER he returned from Africa.

I have seen it mentioned in the press of the possibility of him marrying someone he met during his gap year, guess it was her they were referring to.  Now I understand why the press kept on saying that he preferred blondes when clearly all the girls he had been associated with were brunettes.  I am in such pain tonite.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: socalgal23 on June 15, 2003, 05:43:03 AM
Well to be mean, I hope the story is not true and I hope that the press are just being lieing pains in the a***es like they usually  are !  :D  :D LOL!!!!! The press has been known to make something out of nothing ,darn them !LOL!!  :angry: Well of its true ,well good for him !!!  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :D

p.s -I feel MUCH better ! :D  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 05:48:59 AM
QuoteNow I understand why the press kept on saying that he preferred blondes when clearly all the girls he had been associated with were brunettes.
Good observation!  I've been wondering about that myself since I first saw pictures of Arabella and she's definitely a brunette.

And you're right - Arabella must be pretty pissed!  And if he was dating two women at the same time (and they didn't know about each other) that reflects very badly on his character.  But I guess it's in his blood, as someone pointed out earlier.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 05:50:13 AM
There appears to be some truth here... because trust me, that hard-on that I saw this morning was too 'out there' ... they seem to have removed it from the pix listing because I could not believe my eyes when I saw it.  I have seen one picture of him leaning back to look at the fly over, but it was taken on the long shot.  The one I am referring to was a close range shot, which brought eveything into focus... you could NOT miss it.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 05:53:50 AM
I looked for it about a half hour ago and thought that I had found it, but I'm not sure.  Is he standing next to Harry and sort of looking off into the distance?
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 05:55:39 AM
Is this the pic you're talking about - it's still up on the American Yahoo website.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../170/4e7b0.html (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030614/170/4e7b0.html)
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 05:57:23 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../241/4ec1n.html (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030615/241/4ec1n.html)

take a look at this picture... do you not see a hard-on there?
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 05:59:54 AM
there was another... and in THAT one it was REALLY out there because he was leaning slightly back and it was a close shot of him and Harry.  The one you have posted was one of them that I saw as well...
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 06:00:52 AM
Quote
  If this is serious, I wish Will all the best and hope that they are both very happy (although I'm jealous as hell!) :D
I think you have experssed(sp?) all of are feelings in that one statement B)  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 06:01:14 AM
At first I thought maybe he tucked in his shirt funny or maybe his boxers were bunching up.

But I TOTALLY see a hard-on...you would think he would make more of an effort to cover it up or something - maybe he was in a post-sex daze and he didn't even notice ;)

 
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 06:04:07 AM
Quote
Quote
   If this is serious, I wish Will all the best and hope that they are both very happy (although I'm jealous as hell!) :D
I think you have experssed(sp?) all of are feelings in that one statement B)
I'm trying to stay level-headed about all of this since I don't have a chance in hell of ever dating him.  And probably couldn't deal with all the stress and pressure of it all.

But I'm still turning green (with envy and maybe a bit of nausea) as we speak. :blink:  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 06:04:51 AM
QuoteAt first I thought maybe he tucked in his shirt funny or maybe his boxers were bunching up.

But I TOTALLY see a hard-on...you would think he would make more of an effort to cover it up or something - maybe he was in a post-sex daze and he didn't even notice ;)
he most have been  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 06:06:20 AM
Quote

But I'm still turning green (with envy and maybe a bit of nausea) as we speak. :blink:
I know what you feel :o  :o  :blink:  :blink:  :unsure:  :unsure:  :huh:  :huh:  :(  :(  :(  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 06:06:35 AM
definately post-sex daze... and was hightailing it back home for more when he was involved in the road rage incident later in the afternoon.  The article states that he was rushing home to her.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 06:09:51 AM
This might have been mentioned already - but where exactly did all of these articles come from?

Are they reputed news sources or are they tabloids (I'm not from the UK so I'm not really familiar with the newspapers and what is considered to be a tabloid and what is legit).
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 06:11:35 AM
I went through the nausea stage when it first came out about 4 or 5 hours or so ago.  Still trying to get over the shock which will be with me for awhile.  That's why I am still online because I am too distressed to sleep.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 06:12:08 AM
QuoteThis might have been mentioned already - but where exactly did all of these articles come from?

Are they reputed news sources or are they tabloids (I'm not from the UK so I'm not really familiar with the newspapers and what is considered to be a tabloid and what is legit).
Most of the articles come from yahoo groups and other Royal sites so most of them are rumers(sp?)  :D  :D  :D  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 06:16:19 AM
actually they have been posted here in the forum.  But if you check some of the various newspapers you will find similar articles.  I can imagine his embarrasment when he sees these pix later today. They are probably still asleep, if they are in fact sleeping.  If they removed the photo I am referring to, then SOMEBODY has seen them.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 06:20:35 AM
QuoteI can imagine his embarrasment when he sees these pix later today. They are probably still asleep, if they are in fact sleeping.  If they removed the photo I am referring to, then SOMEBODY has seen them.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Royals have a whole TEAM of people who monitor the media and forums like this one to see what's being said and filtering it as they see fit.

But they can't protect William forever - it's only get to get a hundred times more intense once he graduates so he better get used to it.  I still feel sorry for him, though - I mean how many guys have pictures taken of them when they have hard-ons and on top of that have them posted on the internet for all of the world to see?
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 06:23:54 AM
Quote
QuoteI can imagine his embarrasment when he sees these pix later today. They are probably still asleep, if they are in fact sleeping.  If they removed the photo I am referring to, then SOMEBODY has seen them.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Royals have a whole TEAM of people who monitor the media and forums like this one to see what's being said and filtering it as they see fit.

But they can't protect William forever - it's only get to get a hundred times more intense once he graduates so he better get used to it.  I still feel sorry for him, though - I mean how many guys have pictures taken of them when they have hard-ons and on top of that have them posted on the internet for all of the world to see?
New Nickname for Prince William-- Hard-on Willy :D  :D  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 06:26:51 AM
check this out ...

 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../170/4e7bv.html (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030614/170/4e7bv.html)  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 06:31:07 AM
Yep, it's definitely there!  Goodness, Leigh, are you just trolling the internet for more scandalous pics? :D  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Leigh2B on June 15, 2003, 06:34:25 AM
... the one that was removed was 20x worse than that one...
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Miryoku on June 15, 2003, 06:37:46 AM
Quote... the one that was removed was 20x worse than that one...
Wow - if it was that obvious I'm sure Willy's PR people had it removed right away.  It will turn up somewhere else eventually, though.

I'll keep looking too and see if I can find it.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 07:11:59 AM
Quotecheck this out ...

 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../170/4e7bv.html (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030614/170/4e7bv.html)
it could just be the way his pants are designed and it look like it :unsure:  :unsure:  :unsure:  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: America's Sweetheart on June 15, 2003, 07:27:20 AM
the worst thing is, she is meeting the Queen
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 07:30:54 AM
Quotethe worst thing is, she is meeting the Queen
:(  :(  :(  just so sad this could be the end of my fantesy(sp?) She could be the one :o  :o  :(  :(  :(  :huh:  :huh:  :huh:  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: FetchingHag on June 15, 2003, 07:32:02 AM
hello rosey_cheeks welcome
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: EtonBuffy on June 16, 2003, 06:39:28 AM
Okay, the supposed hard-on pic.... I can't see a thing that looks remotely like he has one.  The only time I've seen him with one (publicly photographed that is) was right before his first day at Eton, walking with his housemaster.  That pic still makes me laugh.
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: chloe on June 16, 2003, 07:57:53 AM
a friend watched it in CNN over the weekend and broke the news (that pw was engaged) to me before our class this morning and i have been nauseus ever since... OMG!!! this seems to be serious! and the fact that St JAmes denied too quickly makes the whole thing more intriguing!
ok... although i'm hurting inside and very green(with envy)... i wish prince william the best.... i hope they will both be happpy together..
on the other hand... maybe the press will keep on hunting her and she realizes that she can't stand it all and she'd rather have her privacy, breaks up with prince william and he'd once again be single and everyone in this forum will be happy again  :D  okay, i know that was bitter but i had to get it out of my chest...
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: Stevie on June 16, 2003, 11:08:00 AM
After looking at those pictures every which way but backwards, I've come to the conclusion that you guys are out to lunch.  First of all, he's 21 not 15, he can control such things.  And if by some weird chance the thought of standing on that balcony in front of thousands of people made him jolly, he'd certainly be aware of it and would hold his hands in front of him.  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: kasper on June 16, 2003, 01:07:05 PM
Ah.  :o   That's why he always cups his hand in front of his pants.  :lol:  
Title: William Secret "Engagement"
Post by: sunshine69 on June 16, 2003, 07:30:24 PM
LOL....out to lunch. Sorry, that phrase made me giggle like a ten year old school girl.

Anyways, I kinda see it, but I am thinking Fetch was right about how his pants might just have been sewn weird or something.