A thread to discuss Camilla's current and future role as consort to the heir and the future monarch.
Charles and Camilla's PR exercises for 2018 seem to be in full swing! Including for Camilla as Queen.
Apparently Charles Anson, former Royal Press Sec, has been roped in to join in the admiring circle.
Royal expert reveals why Prince Charles and Camilla are perfect match | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6054575/Royal-expert-reveals-Charles-Camilla-perfect-match.html)
And the public relations expert who advised the Queen for more than six years before leaving to take up a role with Burger King in 1996, insisted that the Duchess will be known as Queen Consort when Charles, 69, eventually takes the throne.
'I think she'll be a great consort as queen,' he said.
An interview with a former PR man to HM, talk about lucky timing for him to leave in 96, would have had his hands full the next year! The body of the article about what Cam the AllKnowing does for Charles, etc. How was Charles expecting a young girl to provide those attributes for him, whoever she was?
Much has been made of Diana's supposed mental state, etc. and incompatibility for the marriage failure, but to me it clearly shows that Charles was going to scotch any matrimonial deal he was likely to have made during those years.
Most girls that age(and boys) are still finding themselves so the amount of resources to baby a man in his 30s would be limited at best. This and im sure the interviewed subject didnt intend this, but it exposes both a huge failure in the RF (including the Queen neglecting to express an opinion as to whether her son should marry Diana or not) and Charles's large dereliction of duty and loyalty to his family and the crown.
Aside from thoughts on how appropriate Mountbatten's teachings on who to marry and how to comport oneself, (circa 1920) clearly Charles threw what he taught away, he got the highlights in marrying a young girl, but Id be willing to bet Mountbatten thought he'd have enough internal resources to not have to rely on a woman to soothe him every time he got agitated. Maybe Mountbatten should have talked to Prince Philip more. It's one of the few times his assessment of Charles was accurate.
The whole purpose of the intended marriage was to produce an heir and have a wife that would be free of scandals prior to marriage, which Diana did admirably. It wasnt her intended job to be his mother and therapist, it wasnt ment to be a cosy, lovey dovey thing on the RF's part, more a working marriage, and Charles blew all that up, and we know the reason why!
Charles should have put on his big boy pants on in 1981 and put himself aside for once, if he was capable of it which I doubt. How about soothing and protecting his new wife instead. Had he done this, he would have probably felt better, and he could have taken more pride in her popularity as he could in supporting and directing her in her royal life. Instead he took the selfish route, which the Rf taught him to do with QM and Mountbatten, and the Quern has consistently put her head in the sand over it all through the years.
As far as the whole Queen Consort thing, I'd hope it would be a big outcry, but I do worry that time has taken the outrage out of people to a large extent. I do hope people email CH and remind them of the CH website re: the intention for her to be Princess consort. That declaration was there for years. If they are right about her being called PssoW being beyond the pale, it should also be the same for Queen Consort as well, that would be the ultimate stealing of Dianas legacy and all she went through in serving her country as Prss of Wales and marrying him!
I am upset over the whole thing in the way they described what Camilla does for him and how she's going to be this Golden Consort. Why go through the farce of pretending she's just going to be Princess Consort then, if that's what he intended all along (when the right moment came along.) Charles lied to everyone, in other words.
He clearly had no intention of keeping faith with his subjects from the beginning, and intends to have Cam as Queen Consort by his side. No one Charles married would have made it in his eyes, not just Diana. Charles should have asked APB to divorce camilla and marry her back then and reaped the whirlwind, (even if it meant exile) if he was going to have her non-negotiable....But no, Charles wanted it all! As usual!
The toadying is starting to get into full gear. Charles is in for a rude awakening if he makes Camilla Queen not because she is not fit for the title but people do not take kindly to being outright deceived and lied to.
Ah the summer pot stirring is in full swing. Tabloids know that this is will bring in plenty of clicks and they of course have chosen the weeks leading up to the anniversary of Diana's death. <_<
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Here are Dickie Arbiter's reasons on why he believes that Camilla will be a great consort when Charles' reign begins.
Queen?s former spokesman says the Duchess of Cornwall will be a wonderful Queen Consort ? Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/charlesandcamilla/queens-former-spokesman-says-the-duchess-of-cornwall-will-be-a-wonderful-queen-consort-107377)
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QuoteArbiter said: ?Camilla has supported her husband, Prince Charles, since their marriage in April 2005 and doing a good job of it ever since. She?s a no-nonsense lady and believes that there are things you can change and there are things you can?t and those you can?t don?t waste time trying. As an army wife in her first marriage she became used to dealing with people and their problems. This has helped her enormously in her charitable work and supporting them.?
He went on to compliment the Duchess of Cornwall?s interactions with the general public, a daily part of the royals? lives as they undertake engagements at home and abroad.
?She?s inquisitive so she?ll ask probing questions?She?s interested so she?ll listen and won?t look over shoulders to see if there?s someone more important and interesting, and she?ll talk because she likes meeting people which makes her a good communicator, at ease talking to people from all walks of life whether a head of state or just chatting on walkabouts. She also has a good sense of fun and humour.?
Basically a repeat of her positive qualities that I've read about in the past. Both the late Diana, Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall had/have a gift when it comes to interacting with the public IMHO.
@Curryong, An informative write-up! I just want to point out that Camilla would be a Queen Consort and not a Queen Regnant like her mother-in-law.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 16, 2018, 12:58:50 AM
@Curryong, An informative write-up! I just want to point out that Camilla would be a Queen Consort and not a Queen Regnant like her mother-in-law.
Well, I think everybody knows Camilla won't be Queen Regnant. I referred to her as (possibly) being a Queen Consort in my post.
However, when a King is on the throne and his consort is spoken of, people don't say 'Queen Consort Elizabeth' or 'Queen Consort Mary'. They are simply called Queen Mary, Queen Alexandra, Queen Elizabeth' etc. It's taken for granted, or should be, that the wife is a consort when a King is on the throne, of Great Britain or any other European monarchy. The last female in Britain to co-monarch with her husband, William of Orange, was Mary in the 17th century.
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Has Camilla finally become the People's Duchess? How Prince Charles's 'warm, fun and friendly' mistress has won over the crowds 20 years after being presented to a hostile public
It has taken nearly 20 years for the public to warm to the Duchess of Cornwall
Queen once said she would never be in the same room as Charles' second wife
Even today some people believe that the Duchess should not be crowned Queen
But others have said she has 'learned the game' and is 'fun and friendly'
Has Camilla finally become the People?s Duchess? How the Duchess has won over the crowds | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6638291/Has-Camilla-finally-Peoples-Duchess-Duchess-won-crowds.html)
Quote from: wannable on January 28, 2019, 03:15:45 PM
Has Camilla finally become the People?s Duchess? How the Duchess has won over the crowds | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6638291/Has-Camilla-finally-Peoples-Duchess-Duchess-won-crowds.html)
While I believe that Camilla will never be as popular as her predecessor Diana, I do agree that she has been slowly winning over the public.
I disagree. Charles PR "says" she is winning over the public. No definitive proof. Charles gets too heavy handed particularly cooperating with Junor's "St. Camilla" book published in 2017. This sort of thing has gone on for years. Camilla does the minimum of work she is required to do.
I think she has taken up some excellent causes and is enthusiastic about them, though I don't think that royal work is something she really wanted to do. She promotes literacy, and seems to love reading.. She supports women who have been the vitcims of sexual abuse and cruelty.. all very good causes
She has to do this work as a senior royal and only began training for charity appearances in 1997.
I don't see her as an ideal for supporting women.
And she had no choice but to take up patronages. She has low number still.
Somehow I have the feeling that she will step back somewhat from royal work at some point since she appears to have limitations re: tours and has left them early.
Im sure the women who benefit from her work would disagree....
She visits these places, the thoughts the women have about her are not known. The women get help from professionals not from a few minutes appearance of a royal. She does not have magic powers. And Camilla was not kind and gentle to Diana.
^^^Actually we do know something about their feelings based upon their behavior at these events. It would have been announced previously that Camilla would be attending the event, meeting etc.. The women in the domestic violence and sexual abuse groups that she's visited could have chosen to stay away if they wanted to do so. Instead they chose to attend. :)
We can't read their thoughts, but we do know that they were interested enough to attend the events in which Camilla was known to be in attendance.
It's not known if all of them showed up.
Not it is not, but a good number did show up which clearly demonstrates that they wanted to be present even if the "ghastly, "odious," "despicable" Camilla was to be present. AFAIK there has not been a report of bread rolls being thrown at one of these events and considering that this is Britain, there would be CCTV coverage in the UK.
Absolutely agree that Camilla or any other royal does not have "magic powers." However they do bring much needed attention to various causes. :happy:
Nobody booing :ahhh:
The Royal Reporters seem to enjoy and give the feedback of her interactions with the people of the duty, all seems good so far.
Quote from: TLLK on January 29, 2019, 12:25:21 AM
Not it is not, but a good number did show up which clearly demonstrates that they wanted to be present even if the "ghastly, "odious," "despicable" Camilla was to be present. AFAIK there has not been a report of bread rolls being thrown at one of these events and considering that this is Britain, there would be CCTV coverage in the UK.
Absolutely agree that Camilla or any other royal does not have "magic powers." However they do bring much needed attention to various causes. :happy:
People can be polite but still not like her. Nobody said bread rolls would be thrown. ANd some may have stayed home if they knew she was showing up.
She is required to do these appearances. And she still does the minimum.
^^^And likewise people can be polite and believe that she's doing a very good job in her role as the future consort to the monarch. The seniors at the Jewish center appeared to really enjoy her company last week. :happy:
Based upon the numbers that I've seen for both of Charles' wives, they appear to be doing about the same number of engagements over the years. :) However some years are busier due to tours and jubilee events.
I think that this sort of work isn't really her thing but she does a decent job.
People's Duchess? What a load of nonsense. Christopher Wilson is a spiteful hack, nothing more nothing less. Camilla does not and has never needed to be a "people's duchess". She is the wife of the prince of wales and undertakes her work with a minimum of fuss to support her husband and the queen.
Despite all her critics (they are many and quite persistent) Camilla does her work well. A good selection of charities without becoming the story or trying to overshadow other members of the firm. The court circular does not lie. Camilla is doing well. Certainly her husband seems to be a much happier man since her married her and the monarchy is no longer dripping gossip about the state of the POW's marriage. That can only be a good thing.
I think she' would never have had the glamour and charm of Diana and she's not young and pretty, like Kate - or Meghan. But Neehter of them is a Diana either. She undertakes a reasonable number of charities, and seems to be well liked by the people she works with and liked by most of the public who meet her...
I do adimre her for the literacy work, as I was surprised to find that Cam loves reading. It wasn't quite how I thought of her, as a reader but seems to be a genuine love on her part...
well I can't imagine why she would pick that particular patronage unless she had an interest in it.. It is not that glamourous or high profile... So Im thinking she does like reading and is willing oto encourage people to read.
What readng has to do with Diana's marriage, I am puzzled to work out.
I think she has plenty of hobbies, she likes country life, horses, sports....and it appears she likes to read as well...
I very much doubt Camilla is the kind to be lonely, bored or particularly depressed. She strikes me as someone with plenty of interests and a rather contented lifestyle.
I always believe that the best way to live is to be happy and contended. If you spend your life worrying about what you don't have, it can become a very miserable experience. You start catching on and the people around you slowly but slowly detach from you. Nobody likes to be near misery. The fact that Camilla has an easy disposition and is apparently very happy with her lot has to be one of the reasons that her relationship with Charles works.
As for the "people's Duchess" nonsense, I do wish the likes of Christopher Wilson did some real reporting instead of presenting these passive aggressive snide articles that have nothing new to say. Camilla danced with some pensioners at an event, everybody that really mattered to that event was there and they seemed happy. It does not mean that Camilla is putting out an application to be a "people's Duchess".
Quote from: royalanthropologist on January 29, 2019, 04:00:54 PM
I very much doubt Camilla is the kind to be lonely, bored or particularly depressed. She strikes me as someone with plenty of interests and a rather contented lifestyle.
I agree. Camilla strikes me as someone who is happy whether she is alone with a book, with friends or even joining in with the activities while performing her royal duties.
I think she has some issues since she continues to cooperate with Diana basher, Junor.
QuoteIt is not that glamourous or high profile... So Im thinking she does like reading and is willing oto encourage people
@amabel-No literacy is not a glamorous or high profile cause, but it is a truly necessary one that covers all ages, stages, socio-economic levels across a society. From the children learning their letters/sounds/sight words to the new immigrants learning English to the adults who have tried to mask their illiteracy, it is one that needs a high profile patron IMHO.
I don't see her as an expert on literacy. She had the minimum education herself but she can read speeches written for her.
Like most royals and public figures who serve as patronages, Camilla is not an "expert" but she is a high profile public figure who can bring awareness to a cause. :)
For example Queen Letizia of Spain is not a research scientist, but she is the patron of Spanish Rare Diseases. CP Mary of Denmark is not trained as a social worker, but she does champion anti-bullying organizations. The late Princess of Wales was not a pediatrician, but she was an effective President for Barnardos.
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In this message about encouraging parents to read to children, Camilla shares how her father's simple act of reading aloud created a very real and visual experience for their family. TBH any literacy expert would also encourage parents, guardians, and other adults to read to children from a very early age.
Quotehttps://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/speech/message-hrh-duchess-cornwall-national-literacy-trusts-literacy-heroes-campaign
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Quote from: TLLK on January 30, 2019, 03:27:21 AM
Like most royals and public figures who serve as patronages, Camilla is not an "expert" but she is a high profile public figure who can bring awareness to a cause. :)
For example Queen Letizia of Spain is not a research scientist, but she is the patron of Spanish Rare Diseases. CP Mary of Denmark is not trained as a social worker, but she does champion anti-bullying organizations. The late Princess of Wales was not a pediatrician, but she was an effective President for Barnardos.
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In this message about encouraging parents to read to children, Camilla shares how her father's simple act of reading aloud created a very real and visual experience for their family. TBH any literacy expert would also encourage parents, guardians, and other adults to read to children from a very early age.
firmly believe in the importance of igniting a passion for reading in the next generation. I was lucky enough to have a father who was a fervent bibliophile and a brilliant storyteller too. He read to us each night and transported us into different worlds from the irresistible lure of Mr McGregor's garden to battles for Toad Hall or close encounters with the dreaded Captain Hook. Every book was a promise of something new and exciting.
In a world where the written word competes with so many other calls on our attention, we need more Literacy Heroes to keep inspiring young people to find the pleasure and power of reading for themselves. I look forward to hearing about your heroes who, like my father, have had such an impact on the opportunities, aspirations and happiness of others through the vital skill of literacy.
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It has never been a requirement to be an expert on all the patronages that royals take on. Otherwise, they would have no patronages at all!!! You do not have to be a linguistics professor to champion reading or to be a battered woman in order to champion a women's shelter. Of course you can have that as an added experience, but it is not essential when you are a royal patron.
I don't see Camilla as the peoples Duchess I see this basically as more attempts to promote her by the palace PR as The Queens reign will be over in a few years and Camilla becomes Queen Consort. While her patronages are great and worthy causes she is no work horse and never was.
The term "people's Duchess" is ridiculous, almost bordering on an insult. I very much doubt Camilla would like to be a "People's Duchess" or anything of the sort. That sort of thing reminds me of Communist China.
Camilla is the wife of POW and I think she is happy with that. Her job is to support Charles and the monarchy, not court media attention or garner public adulation or become a star.
In any case I rather suspect that Christopher Wilson is being his useful spiteful self with the snide remarks...he wants to say something nasty about Camilla but must pretend to be respectful in the process. Damning with faint praise comes to mind.
^^Very likely this number includes others who have actually met and worked with her through her various charities and patronages. :)
@sandy-If you click on the YouGov link that I provided and go to the about YouGov section, it will explain how they collect their data from respondents in the UK. As with any opinion poll, none of them ever ask "everyone." :)
All the royal press pack have expressed through their twitter accounts that the Duchess of Cornwall is 'always' a delight, they have a lot of fun when requested to follow her on duty.
Quote from: TLLK on February 03, 2019, 01:56:24 PM
^^Very likely this number includes others who have actually met and worked with her through her various charities and patronages. :)
@sandy-If you click on the YouGov link that I provided and go to the about YouGov section, it will explain how they collect their data from respondents in the UK. As with any opinion poll, none of them ever ask "everyone." :)
How many times has this been said?
@sandy -Scince you are reluctant to accept t the methodology behind opinion polls, I would suggest that you avoid any stories or posts that cite information from them. No opinion polls ever asks everyone. YouGov and IPSO-Mori are two well known and trusted companies.
I'm not avoiding anything I want to comment on. It is a sample and the comments about Camilla sound suspiciously like the fawning comments she gets in DM comments section. Very cliche. She has to do this work as befits her position and its nothing "extraordinary" that she does royal duties, she has to. Sorry I don't think everybody finds this woman "delightful." I think the poll sounds biased to me. Other polls show negatives for her and she's way down on the list. These sort of polls has Charles' PR fingerprints on them. I am skeptical of this. ANd I certainly can express my opinion here.
Polls are not always reliable. HIllary Clinton was said to be a sure thing to win the election and look how that turned out! I also found that commentators were going on about how "reliable" the polls were for the election.
@sandy-Of course other polls over the years have Camilla's popularity rising and falling from the time that she married into the BRF. The YouGov poll that I shared is from
May 2018-January 2019. (And BTW does not include the adjective "delightful" in the description. I believe that you're referring to how members of the press pack feel about the Duchess of Cornwall.)
Again this is what the YouGov poll indicated that the fans of the Duchess had to say about her.
QuoteCamilla, Duchess of Cornwall is the 10th most popular royalty and the 8th most famous. Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall is described by fans as: Genuine, Loyal, Good-humoured, Supportive and Down to earth.
In 2007 The You Gov poll had her popularity at a much lower level when asked if she should be Queen Camilla one day. (Queen Consort of course.)
Public support falls for Queen Camilla - Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/3411051/Public-support-falls-for-Queen-Camilla.html)
Seven years later, more than half who participated believed that she should be titled Queen Camilla.
Camilla can become 'Queen', say public | YouGov (https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2014/06/10/Camilla-can-become-Queen)
However, three years later that popularity had fallen again after the 20th anniversary of the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.
Five charts on Brits' reaction to the Royal engagement | YouGov (https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/11/29/5-charts-british-reaction-prince-harrys-engagement)
It's something that will likely continue to go up and down but as I said earlier she's not likely to ever be as popular as her predecessor and successor, but who knows where it will be next year? :shrug:
TLLK of course the press pack are going to say she is delightful their careers depend on it and knowing that within a decade she most likely will be Queen they do not want to antagonize the palace press office.
@Trudie-I disagree. If the press pack didn't care for someone, I believe that they'd do the following: 1. They not acknowledge it publicly or 2. Would quietly "get the word out."
I believe that there would little hints that someone was "aloof," "distant," "difficult" or "challenging."
QuoteI don't think she is popular
@sandy-You are certainly welcome to your opinion on the Duchess of Cornwall, just like the YouGov pollsters. :happy:
So are all the other many people welcome to their negative opinions about the woman?
I hardly doubt grandpa/grandma Charles and Camilla will start doxing negative (and there are plenty Camilla none likers) opinionnaires/opinionated/opinion makers at their grand old' age.
Quote from: sandy on February 05, 2019, 06:53:39 AM
So are all the other many people welcome to their negative opinions about the woman?
Absolutely they're welcome to their opinions as I never specified which type of opinions were acceptable. :wink: YouGov tracked positive, neutral and negative opinions on 15 members of the BRF.
Here is my post:
Quote@sandy-You are certainly welcome to your opinion on the Duchess of Cornwall, just like the YouGov pollsters.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on January 29, 2019, 07:46:16 PM
I always believe that the best way to live is to be happy and contended. If you spend your life worrying about what you don't have, it can become a very miserable experience. You start catching on and the people around you slowly but slowly detach from you. Nobody likes to be near misery. The fact that Camilla has an easy disposition and is apparently very happy with her lot has to be one of the reasons that her relationship with Charles works.
As for the "people's Duchess" nonsense, I do wish the likes of Christopher Wilson did some real reporting instead of presenting these passive aggressive snide articles that have nothing new to say. Camilla danced with some pensioners at an event, everybody that really mattered to that event was there and they seemed happy. It does not mean that Camilla is putting out an application to be a "people's Duchess".
:goodpost: So well put, and I think you are spot on. I've never met her but I have the distinct impression that she would also think the "people's princess" is nonsense.
The two events do not really have a direct correlation. The old people at the Jewish center have no beef with Camilla, they are certainly not her love rivals. There is no reason she would revile or dislike them for that matter. They are people she has met in her line of work as wife to POW and the indications are that she enjoyed that engagement very much. They too did.
Why would they care? She was not there long and is not going to ever be close friends with any of them.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on February 12, 2019, 04:27:14 PM
The two events do not really have a direct correlation. The old people at the Jewish center have no beef with Camilla, they are certainly not her love rivals. There is no reason she would revile or dislike them for that matter. They are people she has met in her line of work as wife to POW and the indications are that she enjoyed that engagement very much. They too did.
Thank you
@royalanthropologist -Why would the War of the Wales have anything to do with this engagement at the Jewish Center?
Is it time to call Camilla, Princess of Wales? ? Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/blogs/is-it-time-to-call-camilla-princess-of-wales-117611)
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As she prepares to head off on another packed tour, representing her country, you can only doff your hat to the Duchess of Cornwall. Camilla has created a royal agenda and role of her own, against the odds, let?s not forget, and is now widely accepted as one of the bedrocks of the 21st century House of Windsor. So given all she?s achieved and all she is still clearly planning to do, is it time to call her by her most senior title and acknowledge Camilla publicly as Princess of Wales?
We all know why she?s currently called Duchess of Cornwall. From the moment it was announced ahead of their 2005 wedding that Camilla would take her title from her honour automatically bestowed on an heir to the throne, there was an acknowledgement that the title Princess of Wales belonged, in the public?s view at least, to Diana. Separating Camilla from that was one way of building support for a marriage that was still controversial. But in the past 14 years, much has changed.
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Time, for a start, has flown on with that certainty it always has. Over two decades since her death, Diana remains an essential figure in the history of the House of Windsor, but the emotions which surrounded her passing have changed. The anger and rawness that some felt following the car crash in Paris on August 31st 1997 have subsided while the 20th anniversary of her death, with commemorations overseen by her two sons, in some ways marked a watershed. Now that William and Harry are moving on to separate households, inevitable as they formed their own families and looked to their differing futures, the pace of change in the House of Windsor is quickening and our view of Camilla is altering all the while.
Camilla, though, is the main reason for the change. Since her marriage, on April 9th 2005, she has become a pillar of the Royal Family. She carries out hundreds of engagements a year, including several overseas tours annually, and she has made no secret of her passion for causes and charities which really need support. She also clearly gets on with her in-laws and her stepsons. That family love and her own quiet determination have seen a shift in the public attitude towards her. So much has altered that the Duchess herself was recently able to joke during a speech that a taxi driver once asked her what she thought about herself at the time when the War of the Wales? dominated the media. That this anecdote got a laugh rather than outrage is an indication of all that has altered.
We all know, too, that when Prince Charles does become king, there will be a debate about the title Camilla takes. The original statement from the royals that she would be known as Princess Consort has been slowly forgotten and now doesn?t feature on official websites. The presumption is that when the reign of her husband begins, she will be known as his queen consort and despite changing attitudes, it will still cause discussion. It can be argued that it is perhaps better to have the debate about changing the original intentions now, in the security of The Queen?s long reign and at a time dominated by babies and weddings, than in the early days of a new rule when feelings will be running high, and the royals will be grieving deeply.
But then we?re not the ones who will sit at the eye of the storm. It?s easy to say from a distance that the medicine might be better taken now. Camilla is clearly in a very happy time in her life. She has a loving marriage, her own children are settled, and she has the joy of her own and Prince Charles? grandchildren. She also has popular approval and support. Whatever has changed, there will be some opposition and Camilla is the one who will have to face the prospect of her past being raked over in an attempt to look to the future.
We should also remember that the brand, Duchess of Cornwall, is a powerful one. Since her marriage, Camilla has espoused many causes and enjoyed considerable success where others might well have failed. Her initiative to provide wash bags to those affected by sexual assault is a project that can?t be commended highly enough while her support for literacy across the community, even taking her campaign to bring reading to all into prisons, has given a boost to thousands of people. All that has been done under her title, the one she has made her own, that of Duchess of Cornwall. Would changing to Princess of Wales have an impact on that?
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However, the bottom line remains that Princess of Wales is Camilla?s actual title, and there?s no better time to give her that due. In this fiftieth year since Charles? investiture as Prince of Wales, she has become one half of a power couple that is building the future of the British monarchy before our very eyes. No one will forget Diana, but her legacy is secure and calling Camilla by the title that once belonged to her now seems like a natural progression rather than an unnatural development. So as she prepares to head off on another tour, doff that hat and why not call Camilla, Princess of Wales?
I doubt that Camilla's title will be changed at this late stage. I'm sure that we all hope that the Queen lives for many more years. However, the reality is that she is nearly 93 and could die suddenly tomorrow, or the day after an announcement was made about a change of title for Camilla! And there doesn't seem to be any official moves in that direction anyway. IMO more people in the UK are more anxious at the moment about the result of the Brexit mess and future repercussions (and even that's fairly mild, except for those working in vital export sectors) than titles within the RF.
I think it would be inappropriate to change her title. She has made DOC a title of her own and has functioned quite well without being known as POW.
The other factor is to consider W&H. Their mother lost almost everything and the title POW was one of the few things that remained with her after life with BRF. It would not be appropriate for their stepmother to adopt that title too, especially since it is not that essential to her work.
Agree with those who believe it is unnecessary for Camilla to use the Princess of Wales title. IMHO it's best to keep it reserved for the future wife of the direct heir to the throne.
Quote from: TLLK on March 19, 2019, 01:31:13 PM
Agree with those who believe it is unnecessary for Camilla to use the Princess of Wales title. IMHO it's best to keep it reserved for the future wife of the direct heir to the throne.
well it was a particular situation, but I hope that Kate will be Princess of wales in due course when Chales is king...
I found the article interesting and I do understand her points. However, I think she underestimates how much emotion there still would be. I don't mean negative towards Camilla per se, but that the title is associated with Diana and many would feel strongly that it should remain so until there is a different Prince of Wales. Also, what would Camilla's thoughts about it be? I think Camilla would not want to take the title and would dig in her heels over it. Remember when there was pressure for her to attend the 10th anniversary concert and she was adamant that she would not.
Interestingly, Queen Mary was the Princess of Wales for about 10 years, and when she is identified in historical passages as the Princess of Wales I find it very awkward! But of course "Prince of Wales" was a new title for her husband, also, so it was probably not awkward for people at the time. I know we are all hoping that the Queen has a long time yet, but it will be nice to see the title used again eventually.
If Camilla really wants something, Charles will ensure she gets it. He has demonstrated that time and time again. I do not think she is interested in POW, not least because of its associations and her rivalry with the previous holder. Nevertheless, she does hold that title but chooses not to use it. A wise and pragmatic decision in my view.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on March 20, 2019, 12:31:30 PM
Protecting your wife and trying to please her is not being a wimp.
At the time of the marriage it was announced that Camilla had opted to take the title of DOC but was in fact the Princess of Wales. I believe the official sources including palace, government and the royal couple themselves about that decision.
I agree that the decision to not use the title Princess of Wales involved the opinions and advice of the palace, government and the couple. While the author of the article seems to believe that it is time for her to use the PssoW title, I believe that it should just be reserved for a future one.
QuoteYes of course she would have relinquished the title if she remarried.... She would have become Lady Diana X....
Yes I agree. The divorced wives of royal princes give up their former titles upon remarriage.
The most recent example that I can think of would be Denmark's former Princess Alexandra. She was known as HRH Princess Alexandra of Denmark while married to Prince Joachim. Later she was Princess Alexandra after the divorce and then as HE the Countess of Fredriksburg upon marrying her second husband. They've now divorced, but she retains the Countess title.
Diana and Sarah would have dropped their respective Princess/Duchess titles upon any additional marriage. :)
I wonder what styling the ex wife of the King of Morocco's wife uses now, if she and the King are indeed divorced? A very secretive affair!
It is one of those mysterious non-divorces. Maybe there is social pressure not to confirm an actual divorce or maybe they chose to play it safe by going for the separation? Does the king of Morocco have only one wife or many?
@royalanthropologist -From what I've read he only has had one wife Lalla Salma. (Lalla means "Lady." Morocco does not recognize a "Queen Consort.) Mohammed VI"s mother was never publicly acknowledged or photographed.
@Curryong-I wonder too if she's using Lalla or has she been given another title.
Maybe it's cultural thing. Does anyone know if Saudi Arabia has a Queen consort? Then again the king has many wives from what I gather so perhaps not likely.
Mohammed's mother was a secondary wife I believe. Mohammed has only been married the once. There were some rumours, seemingly without basis, that he wasn't much interested in women before his marriage. There's a son and a daughter. I suppose it's the King's business if he doesn't want to say whether there was a divorce or not, but his failure to issue any King of statement has caused quite a bit of gossip.
Even if Camilla could easily be given the title of Princess of Wales, so many people would insist that it should stay as part of Diana's title. Have Camilla remain as The Duchess of Cornwall.
LF, I think it is not so much about being given a title as using it. Camilla already acquired that title on the day of her marriage. She just chooses not to use it, partly for the sensitivities you have highlighted.
I think she was advised not to use it.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on March 20, 2019, 08:53:39 PM
LF, I think it is not so much about being given a title as using it. Camilla already acquired that title on the day of her marriage. She just chooses not to use it, partly for the sensitivities you have highlighted.
I agree that Camilla already has the title but wisely chose not to use it during her tenure.
I don't think it was entirely her choice.
@sandy-On this topic we'll have to agree to disagree. :friends:
I disagree. I don't think that she'd choose to use the title of her popular and deceased predecessor. There was enough grumbling when the couple decided to marry in 2005, so I seriously doubt that Camilla would choose to kick over that hornet's nest. Better to reserve the title for her successor, Catherine.
Charles wanted the wedding to go through smoothly so he was hardly going to present her as Princess of Wales. It could have been his decision.
This appears to be a couple that makes their decisions jointly so I would consider that they chose to forgo the use of the title together.
It is also based on public reaction. Not what "they" want.
The couple would have wisely considered the public's reaction had she chosen to use the title Princess of Wales. However in the end the couple could have decided to use the title that she is allowed to use as she is in fact the wife of the Prince of Wales.
...sigh. I wish I had never brought that up. What I read about the concert was what I posted and obviously different from what you read, Sandy. I am glad we live in countries where we are free to disagree with anyone. I'm sure we do agree on that.
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Back to the subject, Camilla is the Princess of Wales.
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Back to the subject, Camilla is the Princess of Wales.
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Quote from: royalanthropologist on March 22, 2019, 03:31:33 PM
William and Harry invited their step mother for a service in memory of their mother. Sadly, their touching gesture was then hijacked by a bunch of hysterical people (Rosa Monckton being an example) who seemed to care more about Diana than her own children. Camilla wisely withdrew. The heavens did not fall. There was an attempt to over-dramatize everything by the "Diana Circle". Thanks to the antics of such people, the BRF tends to stay away from Diana stuff if they can with the notable exception of her sons.
I think Princess Cassandra made a wise and pertinent comment on the discussion.
Wish I had your command of the English language as well as your grasp of the facts. I think this part of the discussion underscores why many of us feel that Camilla was right not to take the title of POW and hope she won't.
It is possible that Camilla really does not want to be called that. It is kind of her husband's ex-wife's last name, if that makes sense. For her it has some bad connotations. If I were her I would want to have my "own" title, not connected to the ex-wife. Something fresh, like the Duchess of Cornwall. Some day someone will write a book all about it and we will know what all went on behind the scenes. I for one am looking forward to it.
I don't think it will happen. Charles let it be known what was behind the scenes as did Diana.
I don't think Camilla cared what title she was given so long as she was married to Charles. From everything that I've read though, the primary reason that the Duchess of Cornwall title was given to Camilla rather than the Prss of Wales one, was that Clarence House seems to have conducted soundings from the British public in 2004/5 before the wedding.
They supposedly found deep resentment and dislike among the public for Camilla still and for C+C's actions during his first marriage, and so decided to go for the easy option of Dss of Cornwall. It was the same when CH addressed the question of whether Camilla would be crowned Queen. Same negative reaction among the public and so they went for Princess Consort.
We are all used to her being the Duchess of Cornwall - it would be so awkward to switch to another name. We know she is actually the Princess of Wales.
All this talk about Camilla and her title whether it be Princess of Wales vs The Duchess of Cornwall to Queen Consort vs. Princess Consort is ridiculous. The PR has always been Camilla doesn't care about the title. If this is true why doesn't this lovely so called down to earth royal simply call herself Mrs. Charles Windsor?
Quote from: Trudie on May 13, 2019, 12:12:19 PM
All this talk about Camilla and her title whether it be Princess of Wales vs The Duchess of Cornwall to Queen Consort vs. Princess Consort is ridiculous. The PR has always been Camilla doesn't care about the title. If this is true why doesn't this lovely so called down to earth royal simply call herself Mrs. Charles Windsor?
I agree. Supposedly she was the woman who "never wanted anything."
Interesting how this subject always gathers a lot of attention. I agree with TLLC - there was consensus between Camilla and her advisors not to use the title. Anyway, we all think of her as the Duchess of Cornwall - it feels comfortable and we hope the status quo will remain for some years yet.
By Common law is Camilla entitled to the title of Queen?
Will Camilla Parker Bowles Get the Title of 'Queen'? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK41vgb6Bl0)
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on January 13, 2020, 12:30:28 AM
By Common law is Camilla entitled to the title of Queen?
Will Camilla Parker Bowles Get the Title of 'Queen'? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK41vgb6Bl0)
I believe she is as under common law the wife takes on the feminine form of her husbands titles. Although she is Princess of Wales that title is so associated with Diana that Camilla took her husbands next highest title as Duchess of Cornwall as Diana never really used that title.
I believe this conversation will change over time if the queen survives another ten years, which I think will happen., By then most of her duties and activities will be undertaken by others and we won't see her very often. Who knows what will happened during that time. And then, although one doesn't like to think about it, Camilla's mother and grandmother did not have longevity, and she was a smoker until well into her 50' s. Will this cause her to have a shorter life? I sincerely hope not, but you never know. But my hope is that she WILL have longevity and become Queen.
An article on how the Duchess of Cornwall has adopted technology in the past year even though she's a self confessed technophobe.
'Technophobe' Camilla clicks with Zoom and finds favour under Covid | Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jan/16/technophobe-camilla-clicks-with-zoom-and-finds-favour-under-covid)
Quote?Both Charles and Camilla have been troupers throughout 2020, given the pandemic, and their ages. But in terms of Camilla, she has been more visible and more audible than she has ever been before. This is Camilla on a more personal level,? said Joe Little, managing editor of Majesty Magazine.
QuoteWhich will be music to the ears of Clarence House aides charged with smoothing the duchess?s path to the consort?s throne, a journey not without its obstacles. Though the duchess?s standing has been transformed to that of one of the Queen?s favourites, the Netflix hit The Crown recently swung the spotlight back on to Charles?s marriage to Diana, serving as a reminder of Camilla?s unpopularity in that period as vilified mistress.
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Not that her current high profile is part of a palace ploy to promote ?Queen Camilla?, or ?Princess Consort?, or whichever title is eventually bestowed. Far from it, sources insist, though her recent successes are likely to make that task easier.
Camilla is not the product of a series of palace advisers. She chooses the things she wants to do, and then aides help to deliver them, said those close to her team. She has never wanted a big PR campaign to promote her, sources said. What she wanted was to meet people, let them see what she is like, and then make their own minds up.
Zoom and other video conferencing platforms have given her that opportunity to get up close and personal to people, sources said. And she has embraced it ? despite previously being a self-confessed technophobe.
When the Duchess of Cornwall becomes Queen Consort, will a new coronation robe be made for her? Or are there coronation robes kept in storage?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 08, 2021, 11:16:54 PM
When the Duchess of Cornwall becomes Queen Consort, will a new coronation robe be made for her? Or are there coronation robes kept in storage?
The Coronation Robes - Historic UK (https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/Coronation-Robes/)
Scroll down the article for discussion of the Coronation robes. The monarch?s robes for each Coronation (and those of their Consort) appear to be made anew. Which makes sense as there are often many decades between sovereigns ascending the Throne.
I watched a program or documentary or whatever about British peers and the Duke of 'wherever', I forget his name, showed the camera his father's Coronation robe from the 1950's and it looked pretty ripe lol. He almost couldn't pick it up so making the robes new isn't a surprise.
I had a vague recollection of reading once that Moss Bros, a famed men?s outfitters in Britain, made a habit of storing Peers robes that had been sold after Coronations, with the intent of rolling them out for hire to poorer Peers the next time. (The firm was established in 1851.)
This Coronation issue article confirms it, beginning on the paragraph beginning ?a peer presents himself?. Just scroll down.
The Making of a Monarch | Reader's Digest Australia (https://www.readersdigest.com.au/true-stories-lifestyle/history/The-Making-of-a-Monarch)
Apparently this was done after the Queen?s father?s Coronation in 1937. I can?t imagine that storage during wartime and sixteen years would have improved the condition of these robes, but apparently they were hired out in 1953. However I think 70 plus years will be a step too far, condition-wise, and these noblemen and their wives will have to have new robes made for Charles?s crowning!
It was informative to learn 12 seamstresses from the Royal School of Needlework worked 3,500 hours to make the Imperial Robe. I have an aunt who is an embroideress. She definitely has not sewn for 3,500 hours.
Quote from: Curryong on August 09, 2021, 02:58:34 PM
I had a vague recollection of reading once that Moss Bros, a famed men?s outfitters in Britain, made a habit of storing Peers robes that had been sold after Coronations, with the intent of rolling them out for hire to poorer Peers the next time. (The firm was established in 1851.)
This Coronation issue article confirms it, beginning on the paragraph beginning ?a peer presents himself?. Just scroll down.
The Making of a Monarch | Reader's Digest Australia (https://www.readersdigest.com.au/true-stories-lifestyle/history/The-Making-of-a-Monarch)
Apparently this was done after the Queen?s father?s Coronation in 1937. I can?t imagine that storage during wartime and sixteen years would have improved the condition of these robes, but apparently they were hired out in 1953. However I think 70 plus years will be a step too far, condition-wise, and these noblemen and their wives will have to have new robes made for Charles?s crowning!
Yes, if he decides to go for the total coronation style of the past. There are posts suggesting he won't, which would be sad if true. Still, Prince Philip is said to have tried to influence a more down to earth coronation in 1952 and was overruled by courtiers who were supported by the Queen Mother.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on August 09, 2021, 11:33:39 PM
It was informative to learn 12 seamstresses from the Royal School of Needlework worked 3,500 hours to make the Imperial Robe. I have an aunt who is an embroideress. She definitely has not sewn for 3,500 hours.
why would she? It was 12 poeple working over a period of time..
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on August 10, 2021, 01:04:05 AM
Yes, if he decides to go for the total coronation style of the past. There are posts suggesting he won't, which would be sad if true. Still, Prince Philip is said to have tried to influence a more down to earth coronation in 1952 and was overruled by courtiers who were supported by the Queen Mother.
I think it will be somewhere in the middle. There will be cutbacks but it will still be a coronation with a certain amount of grandeur, robes etc. But William when his time comes, may well opt for a simple inauguration
A princess cannot pass her rank and title to her children except in special circumstances, such as the Letters Patent George VI issues in 1948 shortly before then Princess Elizabeth gave birth to Charles.
?Without this Letters Patent, Charles would have been styled as the Earl of Merioneth and Anne as the Lady Anne Mountbatten until their mother succeeded to the throne, when they would have achieved royal rank.
?It could set a terrible precedent for Catherine. When Charles dies and William succeeds, there could be an announcement that Catherine will be styled as Princess Consort.
?Will this happen though? I don?t think so.?An interesting opinion piece on the ongoing discussion regarding Camilla's future title and how a legislative change might impact future Queen Consorts of the UK. I suggest ignoring the title which seems more suited for a tabloid. :wink:
How Camilla could stop Kate from becoming Queen ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/wales/how-camilla-could-stop-kate-from-becoming-queen-167906/)
QuoteIn the years ahead, both the Duchess of Cornwall and the Duchess of Cambridge will act as consorts to their husbands when they one day ascend to the throne.
It is a well established constitutional convention that the wife of a King is styled as Queen Consort.
The last time we had a Queen Consort in Britain was back in 1936 when Queen Elizabeth acted consort as to her husband, King George VI, until his death in 1952.
However, the future of the title is uncertain as constitutional changes could be underway to accommodate the Duchess of Cornwall.
When the Prince of Wales married Camilla Parker Bowles in 2005, Clarence House said at the time that she would be styled as Princess Consort when Charles becomes monarch rather than Queen Consort.
Similarly, she chose to use the title of Duchess of Cornwall instead of Princess of Wales upon her marriage 15 years ago.As recently as lasy year, Clarence House confirmed that it was still their intention for Camilla to become Princess Consort, saying: ?The intention is for the Duchess to be known as Princess Consort when the Prince accedes to the throne. This was announced at the time of the marriage, and there has been absolutely no change at all.?
Despite Clarence House?s denial, Camilla will automatically become Queen Consort when Prince Charles ascends to the throne unless legislation is enacted by parliament to the contrary.
The process of trying to change the legal title of the wife of a king would be a constitutional nightmare.
In the UK, the House of Commons and the House of Lords would have to work to pass legislation, as would the legislative bodies of other Commonwealth realms, all for the sake of a title.
Should this legislation pass, it is possible that we may never see a Queen Consort again, with all future wives of Kings being styled as Princess Consort.
Naturally, this would impact the Duchess of Cambridge who at the moment is destined to become Queen when William becomes King.Speaking to Royal Central, royal historian and author Marlene Koenig said any move to make Camilla Princess Consort could ?set a terrible precedent? for the Duchess of Cambridge.
Mrs Koenig said: ?It could set a terrible precedence for Catherine. When Charles dies and William succeeds, there could be an announcement that Catherine will be styled as Princess Consort.
?Will this happen though? I don?t think so.?
Mrs Koenig added: ?Camilla should be styled as Queen Consort. The past is the past. She will be the wife of the King and she remains an active member of the royal family.?
An expert?s perspective, by Marlene Koenig ? royal historian and author
?The tradition in Western monarchies is that the wife of the King is a Queen. This is very similar to women, when they marry, and they become Mrs. John Smith.
?Yes, the attitude toward taking a husband?s surname or the use the formal use of Mrs. John Smith has changed, but when it comes to the wife of a king, she has the same rank.
?In the UK, a wife takes her husband?s rank and title unless her rank or title is higher. This would apply to a peeress in her own right or a Queen regnant.
I still think that the option of Camilla becoming Queen Consort rather than Princess Consort rests with (a) Charles and his wishes, and (b) what the public mood is in the UK following Charles?s accession to the throne.
If people are fine with Cam becoming Queen Consort then it will be quietly done without fanfare. If they aren?t and King Charles wants to ram the QC thing through against the mood of the country and his advisers? counsel, things might get a bit fraught.
However, the honorific would surely be handled on a case by case basis after that. I don?t believe there would be divorced Kings in huge numbers in the future determined to make the mistresses in their first marriages crowned Queen. That sort of thing was last done in Henry VIII?s reign and most monarchs in the modern BRF have stayed married to their first wives!
Again, Marlene Koenig demonstrated that she isn?t an expert. Kate will be Princess of Wales just as Cams is. Just because Cams doesn?t use it, she still legally is. Cams can call herself Princess Consort ( why not Queen, I don?t know) but she is the wife of the King to be and will be Queen. The question is, will she be coronated as Queen. It will have no effect on Kate being Queen, coronated or not.
All modern day Queen Consorts in the BRF have been crowned. However, even though Camilla technically, as Charles?s wife will be Queen, it would be rather odd for her to be crowned if, at the beginning of Charles?s reign there was to be an official announcement that she wished to be known from then on as Princess Consort.
I'm imagining that the next coronation will be much less majestic than those of the past. If they can't convince her to be Queen officially perhaps they can find a unique way of including her in the coronation. She has borne such vilification that I don't blame her for not wanting to be put in the position of all that again. I'll be interested to see how you all feel about this.
Queen Elizabeth II wants Camilla to be referred to as Queen Consort.
Queen Elizabeth Confirms She Wants Duchess Camilla To Be Queen - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZu0Dyvzdho)
Good news for Charles and Camilla.
I'm very pleased with this news, but I certainly hope it will be years yet before "that time comes". This was so perfectly timed and needed to be said. No more speculation, thank heavens.
Duchess of Cornwall was once seen as the problem but is now the solution, writes RICHARD KAY | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10483231/Duchess-Cornwall-seen-problem-solution-writes-RICHARD-KAY.html)
What late Diana, Princess of Wales mentioned in 1995 interview Diana called Camilla third person during Diana and Charles&Diana?s marriage year and split in 1992
Camilla is to be given the Queen Mother's priceless 1937 crown containing the Koh-i-Noor diamond | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10483165/Camilla-given-Queen-Mothers-priceless-1937-crown-containing-Koh-Noor-diamond.html)
REBECCA ENGLISH's story of why the prince could never allow Camilla to be a second class citizen | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10483151/REBECCA-ENGLISHs-story-prince-never-allow-Camilla-second-class-citizen.html)
ROBERT HARDMAN: The Queen knows how vital it is for a monarch to have a happy and confident consort | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10483203/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Queen-knows-vital-monarch-happy-confident-consort.html)
Queen 'to gift Camilla her mother's priceless crown & gave Charles permission to call his wife Queen Camilla YEARS ago' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/17567037/queen-camilla-crown-charles-royal/)
Camilla's always been a joy for me to photograph - I look forward to every engagement (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/17567484/camilla-joy-to-photgraph-arthur-edwards/)
Royal biographer says that the public has 'warmed to Camilla' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10485911/Royal-biographer-says-public-warmed-Camilla.html)
Camilla the Queen: Difference Between Queen and Queen Consort Explained | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/queen-vs-queen-consort-camilla/)
Queen Elizabeth Had Poignant Reason to Give Blessing to Queen Camilla | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-poignant-reason-giverblessing-queen-camilla-robert-lacey/)
Quote from: sara8150 on February 07, 2022, 09:58:38 PM
Royal biographer says that the public has 'warmed to Camilla' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10485911/Royal-biographer-says-public-warmed-Camilla.html)
Camilla the Queen: Difference Between Queen and Queen Consort Explained | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/queen-vs-queen-consort-camilla/)
Queen Elizabeth Had Poignant Reason to Give Blessing to Queen Camilla | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-poignant-reason-giverblessing-queen-camilla-robert-lacey/)
It is nice to finally see an explanation about the difference of Queen and Queen Consort.
How Camilla met Prince Charles and who she was married to when Princess Diana was alive - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-camilla-met-prince-charles-26158236)
Both met in 1972 both been friends for decades till mistress but Princess Diana not pleasure with Charles been see Camilla lots plus calls 24/7 HM Queen Elizabeth II and Queen Mother got aware that on Prince Charles but HM Queen Mother always says ?no visit mistress? when Queen Mother told Wallis Simpson not intive to King Edward
Prince William approves of step mum Camilla becoming Queen when Prince Charles is king - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-approves-step-mum-26165808)
William backs 'Queen Camilla': Duke of Cambridge supports Duchess of Cornwall's title | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10486965/William-backs-Queen-Camilla-Duke-Cambridge-supports-Duchess-Cornwalls-title.html)
Not surprisingly YouGovUK has this topic as a daily question today.
When asked about her future title: 41% said she should be Queen Consort
15% said she should be Princess Consort.
34% Didn't know or didn't care.
It's time for people to move past anger over Diana. As sad as it is, Diana is dead, and would never have been queen consort even if alive.
Camilla has been his wife for 17 years in April. She has been steady constant support.And a wonderful patron for her charities. She showed respect for Diana not using Princess of Wales even though that is Camilla's proper title. But Diana was never queen consort.
There is no such thing as princess consort in the UK. They would have to make it. And in fairness if they changed it for Camilla it should apply to every wife of a king after. Including Kate and George's future spouse. I doubt the public wants Kate not to be queen consort.
With Duchesss of Cornwall it was simply a matter of using one of the other titles. Not the case here.
I am glad the queen showed and voiced her vocal support. Time to let sleeping dogs lie.
Quote from: TudorQueen on February 08, 2022, 12:58:49 AM
It's time for people to move past anger over Diana. As sad as it is, Diana is dead, and would never have been queen consort even if alive.
Camilla has been his wife for 17 years in April. She has been steady constant support.And a wonderful patron for her charities. She showed respect for Diana not using Princess of Wales even though that is Camilla's proper title. But Diana was never queen consort.
There is no such thing as princess consort in the UK. They would have to make it. And in fairness if they changed it for Camilla it should apply to every wife of a king after. Including Kate and George's future spouse. I doubt the public wants Kate not to be queen consort.
With Duchesss of Cornwall it was simply a matter of using one of the other titles. Not the case here.
I am glad the queen showed and voiced her vocal support. Time to let sleeping dogs lie.
I agree, and she has shown herself to be loyal and supportive and just quietly going about her duties. I'm sure HM has come to appreciate her and the help and support she has been for the POW.
Quote from: sara8150 on February 07, 2022, 11:04:20 PM
William backs 'Queen Camilla': Duke of Cambridge supports Duchess of Cornwall's title | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10486965/William-backs-Queen-Camilla-Duke-Cambridge-supports-Duchess-Cornwalls-title.html)
I've become skeptical whenever an article states that "sources close to....say...." , and this is certainly one of those articles. I think William most likely does support Camilla, but it's not a subject he would share with "sources".
Duchess of Cornwall's popularity soars after Her Majesty gives her the ultimate blessing | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10491501/Duchess-Cornwalls-popularity-soars-Majesty-gives-ultimate-blessing.html)
Bad news for Harry&Meghan and Andrew
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/08/22/53942717-10491501-image-a-34_1644359177434.jpg)
Polling was done yesterday.
QuoteNow her decision has been endorsed by the public, in a survey for the Mail of more than 1,000 adults conducted yesterday by pollsters JL Partners.
There were seven questions posed to the participants but the one that the article focuses upon is number 2 "Do you think that Camilla should or should not become Queen Consort when Charles becomes King? The majority of those polled 55% agreed that she should become Queen Consort. Should not was at 28% and Don't know came in at 17%.
Quote from: TLLK on February 09, 2022, 12:25:11 AM
Polling was done yesterday.
There were seven questions posed to the participants but the one that the article focuses upon is number 2 "Do you think that Camilla should or should not become Queen Consort when Charles becomes King? The majority of those polled 55% agreed that she should become Queen Consort. Should not was at 28% and Don't know came in at 17%.
That should make Camilla feel more confident! May her star keep rising over the next 10 years.
Why it?s time to start calling Camilla ?The Princess of Wales? ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/why-its-time-to-start-calling-camilla-the-princess-of-wales-172447/)
For sake of late Diana,Princess of Wales what articles talking about that not since 1980?s and 1990?s respectively BUT Diana been gone since almost 25 years this August 31 many Londoner and global love late Diana,Princess of Wales nobody took Diana?s title ever!!
QuoteI?m not here to argue the happenings of the volatile ?80s and ?90s. We all know what happened, but the past is the past?no matter how many times Hollywood seems keen to dredge it up. Diana, for as much good as she did in her lifetime (and trust me, as a big admirer of both Diana and the work she did, I could write a book about her), has been gone for 25 years. The sins of the past are stuck there. Let?s not keep Camilla ensconced there, too, fortified by the weaponised memory of Diana.
The consort?s Crown which Camilla will receive ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/the-consorts-crown-which-camilla-will-receive-172392/)
Quote from: sara8150 on February 10, 2022, 03:32:32 PM
Why it?s time to start calling Camilla ?The Princess of Wales? ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/why-its-time-to-start-calling-camilla-the-princess-of-wales-172447/)
For sake of late Diana,Princess of Wales what articles talking about that not since 1980?s and 1990?s respectively BUT Diana been gone since almost 25 years this August 31 many Londoner and global love late Diana,Princess of Wales nobody took Diana?s title ever!!
The consort?s Crown which Camilla will receive ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/the-consorts-crown-which-camilla-will-receive-172392/)
We all think of the Princess of Wales as Diana, which is why the Duchess will continue to use her Cornwall title.
Why Camilla won't truly be Queen - Consort title explained | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1572009/camilla-queen-consort-title-explained-evg)
Articles says Camilla will know as Queen consort or Princess consort
QuoteThe news Camilla will be Queen Consort shocked the nation, as it had long been thought that Camilla would never be Queen.
Public opinion was very divided over Charles and Camilla's initial relationship as many supported Charles' first wife Princess Diana, who claimed that Charles had been unfaithful during their marriage with Camilla.
So when Charles and Camilla's wedding took place in 2005, it was announced Camilla would hold the title of Princess Consort rather than Queen Consort when Charles becomes King.
In the years since Charles and Camilla's marriage, however, the Duchess of Cornwall's popularity with the British public has grown significantly.
So the Queen's declaration on the eve of her accession anniversary this year effectively put an end to years of speculation over Camilla's future title.
The Queen said in a written message: "And when, in the fullness of time, my son Charles becomes King, I know you will give him and his wife Camilla the same support that you have given me; and it is my sincere wish that, when that time comes, Camilla will be known as Queen Consort as she continues her own loyal service."
Although Camilla will likely be known as Queen Camilla when Charles is King, she will never truly be Queen - here's why.
When Prince Charles succeeds the throne upon the death of Queen Elizabeth II, Camilla will likely be known as Queen Consort.
Like Queen Elizabeth, wife of King George VI, and Queen Mary, wife of King George V, Camilla will likely be known as Queen Camilla during her husband's reign.
However, Camilla will be a queen consort rather than a queen regnant like Queen Elizabeth II is.
When Queen Mother always at husband?s side during reign and Queen Mary always same but Camilla will learn example on husband?s side during reign
I am sure she will be sincerely and unfailingly supportive of her husband. And she is a natural, calm and empathetic person, which means she will continue to gain acceptance over time.
Queen hands Camilla huge honour after expressing her wish for her to be Queen Consort - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/queen-hands-camilla-huge-honour-27220394)
Prince William looked very fancy in his ceremonial robes at the Order of the Garter ceremony.