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SPARE PART Meghan Markle is ''leaving Harry at home to party in LA and sending desperate texts to people to hang out''
Meghan Markle is 'leaving Harry at home to party in LA and sending desperate texts to people to hang out' | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/22542897/meghan-markle-leaving-harry-desperate-texts/)

^ With a pinch of salt, it's quite petty.

@wannable Sounds quite petty.  :teehee:

In some quiet place in my mind. I feel like Harry will rise from all of his troubles and find himself at the top of the BRF heap. Stranger things have happened!  :hmm:

I'd like both to rise from all the troubles. I said many months ago, I wish them nothing but stability, win win for them and H's family across the pond. A trouble in paradise means equal chaos for H, M and the Senior BRF. No one wins, like in a downfall, a living under a bridge, etc. etc. simply because the most famous family in the world do not let things like this happen to a certain extent (IOW they can't control what H&M ''directly'' do to themselves), but have to pick up the pieces, which is entirely undesirable.

I will also NOT beat the dead horse, the first reports from WSJ, Deadline, Variety is sufficient in my opinion, the ensuing articles; opinions from royal reporters or people in the arts and entertainment industry or from Netflix inside 'sources (Note: Netflix ghosts are speaking too), including the Spotify top executive are ( @Blue Clover ) super petty, super nasty, with expletive profanity.  It can be translated more delicately as too much me, me, me and 'promises' unfulfilled (2020 promise) of bringing Super A++ listers to the show.

Continued...

Excluding retired Serena Williams and Mariah Carey, both retired from sport and music 2021-2022 and ARE A listers, but the me me me was in all 12 episodes. The idea of interviewing is let the guest speak 90%, host asks prepared or follow up Question to a Answer 10%. What happened - the opposite. The host interrupted or compared the guest story with a me too I have a bigger suffering than you and the sort, making it all about her rather than the guest. The End.

This follow up comment is a note of Clearing the delicate translation of the petty articles (the ensuing ones) of the me myself and I. One of the promised A++ which was publicly mentioned by M team end of last year Nov 2022 (two months after the late Queen, still morning) was the Princess of Wales, a desperate attempt since M IMO already knew it would be one season and out, the Archetype podcast team was fired 5th Dec 2022, then one week later timeline before the Netflix reality show the couple made a informal statement that after that show they wished to reconcile with the BRF as their next step, then the timeline of what happened 2023.  The other two ladies who were promised when H&M signed up with Spotify 2020 (but the amount of Dollar signs was hugely greater than the little info of who will be guests was obscured, hence the nasty comment of the Spotify exec) was Michelle and Hilary, with other famous A++ people.  I think the very very few people who have taken the investigation of ''timelines'' are IMO the only none petty none nasty reporting, hard to find, as the iffy wiff articles have taken the worldwide media and social media. Sadly, because the timeline of facts make a lot of sense in the H&M world. The End.

The latest WME publicity stunts sounds very much like taking separate ways between the couple. Meghan is their client, Harry thrown under the bus.

Quote from: wannable on June 17, 2023, 12:34:54 PM
I'd like both to rise from all the troubles. I said many months ago, I wish them nothing but stability, win win for them and H's family across the pond. A trouble in paradise means equal chaos for H, M and the Senior BRF. No one wins, like in a downfall, a living under a bridge, etc. etc. simply because the most famous family in the world do not let things like this happen to a certain extent (IOW they can't control what H&M ''directly'' do to themselves), but have to pick up the pieces, which is entirely undesirable.

I will also NOT beat the dead horse, the first reports from WSJ, Deadline, Variety is sufficient in my opinion, the ensuing articles; opinions from royal reporters or people in the arts and entertainment industry or from Netflix inside 'sources (Note: Netflix ghosts are speaking too), including the Spotify top executive are ( @Blue Clover ) super petty, super nasty, with expletive profanity.  It can be translated more delicately as too much me, me, me and 'promises' unfulfilled (2020 promise) of bringing Super A++ listers to the show.

Yes, there is much trouble in paradise for H, M, the King, and extended BRF. I feel this is the quiet before the storm for the new King. England is being kind while still mourning the loss of the HMQ. H and M seem lost at the moment. Sigh!

^**H and M seem lost at the moment, Sigh!**  But that is their own doing all because of the way they have bad mouthed Harry's family.  You don't see the BRF saying bad, hateful, meam, ugly lies about the Sussex's  do you?  They made their bed as the saying goes, so let them lie in it.  We as adults should have learned that we are personally responsible for the choices/decisions we make im our lives as I know I am certainly responsible for my choices/decisions im my life.  They could've done this very differently yet they chose this path of revenge or hate whatever it is called, their choice.  And  they have hurt so many people amd treated HM and Prince Philip while he lay dying and the last years of HM's life, that is UNFORGIVABLE to treat your grandparents with such disrespect after all that was done for them.     

We don't really know who the royal family or the people that have been hurt  as they are not talking, yet I bet Edward and his wife are furious as that was Edward's parent's and Sophie was extremely close to HM for decades.....they are closed mouth in public yet at home it could be a very different story, that was just my opinion.

I don't know if this is the right thread to express my disregard/dislike of the Sussex's.  I can't respect anyone who treats people the way they do ,be it friends, employees or family. The way they treat people shows their very ugly side and what they are about......yes it is sad yet that is their own choice in life as that is the path they chose.               

Yes, Nightowl, I agree with you.  One of the worst aspects of the whole debacle is that H and M had no regard for Philip being on his deathbed, or for the Queen being in her last years.  All their talk about respecting the Queen and how much they cared for her was just empty words, imo.  I also think Harry's true colors come out when you think about how he delayed the flight to Balmoral during HM's death.  No thought or consideration for anyone besides himself and Meghan.  Everyone is supposed to have so much compassion and respect for them, but they  don't give it to anyone else.

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Grandparents for me are so important as they helped me as a child amd shaped my life......I would give anything to have them back and will hopefully be with them again someday.

I HAVE NO COMPASSION OR RESPECT FOR THE Sussex's ever.......they do not deserve it and both are just downright nasty hateful people.  Nobody is perfect in life yet they go out of their way to be mean and hateful as we all have seen the last 3 years.  My sister sent me a long list of their lies before she passed on and I still have it.  She was one of their biggest fans amd they way they treated HM and Philip turned her against them.  It is their choices/decisions that have made so many dislike them.....money doesn't buy class or dignity as some need to learn that.   

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Meghan and Harry believe they have been 'repeatedly unlucky' and blame Covid, economic woes, the death of the Queen and the decline in Price Philip's health for their faltering attempts to launch post-royal careers, sources say.

Meghan and Harry believe they have been 'repeatedly unlucky' amid their flagging fortunes | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-12253755/Meghan-Harry-believe-repeatedly-unlucky-amid-flagging-fortunes.html)

Megxit Jan 2020
Spotify contract July 2020
Netflix contract September 2020
Penguin Random House contract June 2021

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Prince Philip's death April 2021
Queen Elizabeth's death September 2022

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Meghan Markle's miscariage (notification to the public) November 2020
Birth of Lilibet Diana June 2021

Well, I would take the DM article with a grain of salt, and I do think that Harry and Meghan have had some bad luck, with the Covid lockdowns and economic downturn for streaming.  So I'll grant them that.

Still, a lack of strategic and thorough planning on their part seems to be an issue too.  First of all, in regards to Prince Philip and the late Queen's declining health and deaths--if your plans are dependent on the health and longevity of two people in their mid and late 90s, that's poor planning. 

Also, based on the latest remarks we've heard from people who have worked with them in California, it does sound like they didn't do much research into the practical realities of becoming philanthropists, producers, directors,-- whatever it is that they envisioned becoming.  They don't seem to have had much idea of the behind-the-scenes work that is involved in bringing ideas to fruition. 

It seems similar to Meghan saying that she didn't do any research into royal life before marrying Harry.  I've always doubted that, tbh.  Meghan certainly gives the impression of being intelligent, independent, strong.  She seems like the type of person who would do a lot of research into things and really plan how to make them successful.  But maybe she is more inclined to run off with half-baked ideas. 

I very much agree with your assesment.  I did the list of dates under the DM quote and was in two to put it here or in the team board.

I had a colleague who took a long time to recover from every blow in life, IMO there is no timing/time 'set' for any individual, some take short, mid and long term of moving on, let's go. I learned it from this colleague who would tell me the therapsit stories (the time for each person to fix a broken bridge which is the timing to make the circle go round allegory is what struck me the most), from work confident we later on in life became firm friends.

I would like to add to the list their mental health problems, which slows down more a person.

Quote from: Kristeh-H on July 01, 2023, 03:53:08 PM
Well, I would take the DM article with a grain of salt, and I do think that Harry and Meghan have had some bad luck, with the Covid lockdowns and economic downturn for streaming.  So I'll grant them that.

Still, a lack of strategic and thorough planning on their part seems to be an issue too.  First of all, in regards to Prince Philip and the late Queen's declining health and deaths--if your plans are dependent on the health and longevity of two people in their mid and late 90s, that's poor planning. 

Also, based on the latest remarks we've heard from people who have worked with them in California, it does sound like they didn't do much research into the practical realities of becoming philanthropists, producers, directors,-- whatever it is that they envisioned becoming.  They don't seem to have had much idea of the behind-the-scenes work that is involved in bringing ideas to fruition. 

It seems similar to Meghan saying that she didn't do any research into royal life before marrying Harry.  I've always doubted that, tbh.  Meghan certainly gives the impression of being intelligent, independent, strong.  She seems like the type of person who would do a lot of research into things and really plan how to make them successful.  But maybe she is more inclined to run off with half-baked ideas. 

Well said! Great post Kristeh-H! Meghan should have done more research about the expectations of royal married-in wives. Yes, there were global challenges, but both aimed for roles and positions within the BRF and in the world that required much for preparation, time, education, and experience.

Quote from: Curryong on July 02, 2023, 10:57:49 PM
Oh goodness, a married couple photographed together in California! And looking happy as well!  That will annoy Neil Sean and Angela Levin,  Lady CC, and the rest of the revolting GB crew who?ve been predicting the Sussexes are on the brink of divorce for months!

That is a half truth, to be fair, the people here mentioned were 'freely' given that news from sources 'in' California. The other half truth is they have stated loud and clear to NOT believe it.

I took the quote and posted it here in the Iffy Wiff.  The picture I posted in team Sussex is for happy comments only.

Quote from: wannable on July 03, 2023, 11:35:32 AM
That is a half truth, to be fair, the people here mentioned were 'freely' given that news from sources 'in' California. The other half truth is they have stated loud and clear to NOT believe it.

I took the quote and posted it here in the Iffy Wiff.  The picture I posted in team Sussex is for happy comments only.

And I am questioning these people?s ?sources?. Levin last saw and spoke to Harry in 2018. She has never met Meghan. Lady CC has probably never met Harry to converse with and has never met Meghan. Same with Neil Sean. Most people would not make comments about the marital relationship of those they don?t know and have never spoken to. The only people who do so are gossip rakers who wish such a couple ill. And that says a lot more about them than it does about Harry and Meghan. They were visiting a building full of relaxing things to enjoy like a Pilates and yoga studio, massage places, not a divorce lawyer!

I have watched the here mentioned ''sufficiently'' in the past 3 years, basically they did not 'search' 'investigate' the information, they were given the information ''freely'' from California; from 3 to half a dozen California sources who they deem as camp Sussex.  The 3 of them have said they do not believe it in their personality/characteristic way; Neil compassionate, Levin poker face, Lady C blunt (very).

Quote from: wannable on July 03, 2023, 12:38:00 PM
I have watched the here mentioned ''sufficiently'' in the past 3 years, basically they did not 'search' 'investigate' the information, they were given the information ''freely'' from California; from 3 to half a dozen California sources who they deem as camp Sussex.  The 3 of them have said they do not believe it in their personality/characteristic way; Neil compassionate, Levin poker face, Lady C blunt (very).

Well these sources appear to have been, to say it kindly, mistaken. And Neil is never, in anyone?s wildest dreams ?compassionate? about anything Sussex. Levin hasn?t had a good word to say about Meghan since Harry married her and would be ecstatic if there was any substance to these rumours. As for Lady CC, (and she is no lady) anyone who could state that the QM was the product of the Earl of Strathmore and the family cook would spread lies about anything. 

I'm just stating the other half truth for context. Basically, they don't believe it.

I don't have any favorite royal reporter, royal watcher or socialite with connections. I read and watch as much as possible, time permitting from all sides and share whatever I feel like sharing.

Quote from: wannable on July 03, 2023, 01:33:00 PM
I'm just stating the other half truth for context. Basically, they don't believe it.

I don't have any favorite royal reporter, royal watcher or socialite with connections. I read and watch as much as possible, time permitting from all sides and share whatever I feel like sharing.

Well, each of those creatures, I won?t call them human beings, have decided in the past few weeks to spread some poison about a couple that they don?t know?s divorce prospects. And of course they are are going to infer they don?t believe it at the same time. Saying that it was definitely occurring would invite a libel/slander suit. But they spread it just the same. And as for Lady C, what she knows about a true and loving marriage could be written on a cat?s claw. She was married for a very few months to her aristo husband who was repulsed by her by the end.

They stated the poison comes from people related or close or very close to the Sussex Camp. They stated the varied communications they received 'freely' then stated 'I don't believe it' with their own personality and characteristic ways, as I said in order; compassionate, poker face, very blunt.

For what it's worth, the poison should have been delivered to royal reporter apprentices rather than the combined 90 years of experience.

Quote from: wannable on July 03, 2023, 02:04:49 PM
For what it's worth, the poison should have been delivered to royal reporter apprentices rather than the combined 90 years of experience.

90 years of what experience? Apart from decades of spreading lies, gossip, misinformation about people they don?t personally know to tabloids and other right wing news outlets, so as to increase the public?s hatred of them? That would be more to the point.

And where did Lady C get her info from about the Strathmore parentage? A dementia-ridden ex housemaid not there at the time, lol? Various historians, royal biographers, and RRs just collapsed in laughter when they read that!

My only wish was to add the other half truth of your divorce statement to make it fair for them and context for all RIF users, because the point at the end of the day is, these peoples mention of divorce but we don't believe it exists in the internet. I thought I was doing something good, sorry.

Any other comment about their life careers, between the 3 of them, 90 and a bit short, should be about 95 years combined, most of it royal related would be best IMO to be discussed in the socialites and royal acquaintances board.

This is a reminder to keep the discussion friendly.

Quote from: changemhysoul on July 05, 2023, 11:59:10 PM
i guess the point of her was to apologize for her contributing to an environment of hate and harassment. the point is also for her to promote her new website, make a pivot and

the email exchanges were with jason knauff and we know what type of man he is, in those court docs we also know that meghan was weary about doing a book or anything like that but he convinced her to do it, saying it would be good and she trusted williams staff. yes, a mistake on meghan's part to try and trust that man. also a mistake on omid's part to trust that he was sourcing good information from a person who wanted to help the sussex's.

she sent an email to jason to with things about her and then that was sent to omid. we also know via court docs that meghan didn't trust omid at first because he got a story about her wrong pertaining to her stylist, clothes and fashion.

but a man who runs to help a paper that had been out-right racist, abusive and a bully isn't a man that can be trusted. it was a lesson in trusting most people in the palace and thinking they actually had the sussex's wellbeing in mind. of course, it's a palace that runs on trying to make sure the head is the most popular instead of using the popularity for good. a business' when it comes to they deem lesser but still want those lesser to treat them like family.

and as said, the UK court of law, also excused Meghan, had Jason release all of the information that showed the entire story.

and the sussex's patterns are far less different or changed than the media that people like to consume and use as the gotcha against them.

Meghan made Kate cry = 10 different versions, ones that also came out and changed when Meghan stated that she had a note. That was then worked into the story by the British media.

Kate made Meghan cry = two versions, one just saying had it happened and one official version from a person actually close to the story.

And given Kate's behavior at the 2020 Commonwealth, before her name was ever brought up (and brought up in a good way, giving her the cover of being some powerless little lady), it's not hard to believe that instead of going to the tailor's like all of the other parents, she instead chose to harass a bride over dresses so they could be done the way she (kate) wanted WHILE saying that knew Meghan was going through things and reducing another woman to tears.

So, as people chose to believe the sussex's are evil incarnate who have 0 points and nothing bad was done to them, I chose to believe the former who's only spoken about it twice.

And only one version of the entire thing lead to a black woman being called a slave on KP's instagram comments while they did nothing (but they will be sure to delete comments about roses) while there are real creditable right wing threats to said woman's life.

After seeing Princess Lilibet in a dress of the same brand as Princess Charlotte, stockings, little red shoes, I will pass completely the chapter of who made who cried debacle of Charlotte not wearing stocking, ''all'' dresses needed fixing at last minute confirmed by the hired taylor - Meghan and Kate crying, whoever cried, for a Windsor wedding at 12 to 14 degrees Centigrade to a 4th of July parade at varying by hourly Montecito weather report from 20 to 26 degrees centigrade.  She looks cute with the full outfit, period. The End (debacle) for me.


Jason Knauf, he set the record straight with proof of a lie. This is another moment of if it weren't fixed, corrected and known, ''history will judge this statement''. Omid and Meghan are friends since 2015.

Generally, liars need to remember their lies and whom they have lied to keep lies concealed and avoid inconsistency in daily life.  That must be very exhausting.

WMA strategy: Stir the pot (again, repeat old I'm a victim news until you're whitewashed) with the same old news you did with your previous relation with Sunshine Sach - combine it with elements of your own previous KP Staff, continue playing the victim card no matter what you did to yourself at nterviews, drama docuseries and a book.

Meghan Markle feels Kate Middleton 'got away with' abuse (https://nypost.com/2023/08/02/meghan-markle-feels-kate-middleton-got-away-with-abuse/?utm_campaign=pagesix&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

Meghan Markle, Prince Harry won't stay 'silent' after feud with Beckhams: report (https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/meghan-markle-prince-harry-wont-stay-silent-after-feud-with-beckhams-report/)

Discussion about the Archetypes podcasts can be found in the thread linked below.

The Iffy-Wiff Club: Archewell Foundation, Invictus, and other charities, news, a (https://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=95464.0)

Quote from: wannable on August 02, 2023, 03:12:45 PM
WMA strategy: Stir the pot (again, repeat old I'm a victim news until you're whitewashed) with the same old news you did with your previous relation with Sunshine Sach - combine it with elements of your own previous KP Staff, continue playing the victim card no matter what you did to yourself at nterviews, drama docuseries and a book.

Meghan Markle feels Kate Middleton 'got away with' abuse (https://nypost.com/2023/08/02/meghan-markle-feels-kate-middleton-got-away-with-abuse/?utm_campaign=pagesix&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

Meghan Markle, Prince Harry won't stay 'silent' after feud with Beckhams: report (https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/meghan-markle-prince-harry-wont-stay-silent-after-feud-with-beckhams-report/)

Boy, this is old news.  I will say that Harry and Meghan seem to be very good at burning their bridges.

The nastiness of stirring the pot (again, the Sussexes have already trashed the Princess of Wales at every opportunity, Victoria was trashed once. Reviving the old stories.) is crazy.

I hope Catherine and the Beckhams don't lower themselves to the level of tit for tat Sussex soap opera.

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Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Extend an Olive Branch to Prince William as Sussexes Determined to End Dramatic Feud

By: Katherine Tinsley
Aug. 8 2023

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry might return to England after their dramatic exit back in 2020. According to a royal insider, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex extended an olive branch to Harry's brother, Prince William, but is the damage from Megxit too much for the royal family to forget?

The Sussexes reached out to the Prince of Wales in the hopes of replacing their old home in the U.K., Frogmore Cottage, with another royal property.

"He and Meghan are offering to rent an apartment at Kensington Palace and furnish it themselves," a source told the outlet. "He hopes that will please William and show that they're serious about coming back.

Meghan Markle, Prince Harry Make Peace Offering With William Amid Feud (https://okmagazine.com/p/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hope-peace-offering-prince-william/)

Just another tabloid drama article put out for the sake of more drama and trouble.

I just don't see the couple wanting to return to KP, even if it were to be for the occasional visit.

Agreed.  I don't see this happening.

To be honest, I'm not sure that anything large and secure enough for the couple would be available for them. The Wales still keep Apt 1A as their official offices and as a London residence when it is needed. The Gloucesters are in one of the converted carriage houses. The Edward Kents are still at Wren House. The Michael Kents are in their apartment that they've had for decades.

Apartment 1 which was last occupied by the Gloucesters is available, but would the Sussexes want to pay rent for KP's largest apartment?

Ivy Cottage is likely being sublet while the Brooksbanks are in Portugal, but I can see them returning to that home in the future.

I'd be curious to see if this was actually true.

For what it's worth, my Fleet Street friend told me there are/will be a lot of puff and trolling pieces emanated from WMA.  He considers the above (and the Neil Sean Balmoral/Windsor one - which I didn't post a link at the Balmoral gathering, only mentioned what he said about Meghans conditions to come over) trolling pieces. Trolling pieces is to get the attention of the BRF.  The UK will receive the trolling pieces whispered, sourced to different RR's and medium/small media outlets as a ''starter''. 

The puff pieces will be US outlets. ETA: That is how the 'tendency' is going on so far, i.e. US People Mag receives a puff piece, they public, British Media requests People Mag if they can print. 

Troll pieces, Neil Sean is British, OK Magazine is British, the later sold the copyright to publish it too to NYPost.

I'm starting to link at the RIF both puff and troll, BUT there has been a lot of both in the past two weeks not posted, links to articles from US/UK based were heavily promoted via social media from the media own official website or sm account.  For historical reference, I think we should - even if it looks too gushy or too absurb.

I also don't think that Meghan will ever set foot on British Soil ever again!

I don?t believe that Harry and Meghan would want to live anywhere near William and Kate ever again, whether at KP or at Windsor. If the couple ever need a bed for a couple of days there are always private London clubs and friends like Elton John have two homes in the city. That article is one of those speculative things that always pops up in the Silly Season when there?s not much genuine royal news to be had.

@Curryong-I tend to believe that KP is designed more for long term permanent living rather than short term. WC and BP (when renovation work is completed) are typically where guests are lodged for various events. So I tend to believe that the Sussexes would stay there or at one of the places that you mentioned in your post.

The Times and The Sunday Times
@thetimes

The Duke of Sussex has had his HRH removed on the royal family?s website, three years after stepping down as a working member of the family


Prince Harry's HRH title removed from royal website
It came as he visited Japan for a conference on sport, community and philanthropy

Valentine Low | Gavin Blair in Tokyo
Thursday August 10 2023, 12.01am, The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-harry-japan-sports-summit-2023-2qbhfh5bw?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1691648039

Why is the media so cock a hoop about Harry not being referred to as HRH? That was decided when they left the pool of working royals years ago so it?s hardly come as a revelation to anyone. Oh yes, that?s right it?s because of the media campaign to continue to denigrate and insult Harry and Meghan every five minutes.

Well, Hallo, he?s still a Prince and still King Charles?s son and is still fifth in line of succession to the Throne.  Harry was not responsible for the royal website being so inefficient it had errors including reference to Queen Elizabeth still being monarch all over it. (Says a lot about the modernisation and efficiency of the Palace in general, btw.) So all the rejoicings from the media about this show themselves up rather than anybody else.

And by the way. Valentine Low?s examples in the Times highlight errors that detail Harry?s involvement with various activities and charities in 2016, leave out HRHs even though he was still a working royal and an HRH in that year and others. It also refers to his being the Duke of Sussex in 2016 when he did not receive that title until May 2018.

Thank you Low, for showing these new errors even though I know that was certainly not YOUR intention. No, you wished to humiliate Harry. Instead the Royal website?s new mistakes from yesterday on are highlighted.
So much for the veracity of that website!

Oh, and by the way the website still lists (on the 11th August 2023)  both of the Sussexes? service to the Crown in this way

?They are balancing their time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour their duty to the Monarch, the Commonwealth, and their patronages?.

Let Low and the rest of the British media chew on that one!! Lol, lol!

Another source of merriment on the Royal website as it is constructed now, Aug 11th.

When referring to the Wales?s children? They have three children; a son, George Alexander Louis, born on 22 July 2013, a daughter, Charlotte Elizabeth Diana, born on 2 May 2015, and a son, Prince Louis Arthur Charles, born on 23 April 2018." Not an HRH there for any of them, nor a Prince/Princess for the older two. So only Louis is a Prince (or Prince is his first name, lol).

The website has always been outdated and plagued with mistakes (The Express reported around 71). I'd like William's social media head to take charge of it, he's done a great job with the POW's social media and the DOC.

Removal of Prince Harry's HRH title from the royal family website was a 'petty' move and Buckingham Palace should take him out of the line of (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12394041/Price-Harry-HRH-removal-petty-line-succession-royal-expert-tells.html)

Quote from: wannable on August 26, 2023, 07:28:18 PM

There are facts in life that belong in the Team Sussex, at that time when Meghan was 13 @TLLK is right, aired March 1995 - and as what I said, a minor age, she still would need a permit by California law to work as a minor. Period.  Nothing more, nothing less. Thank you Thomas Markle. 

Meghan also before meeting Harry, wrote wonderful things about her father in her blog The Tig.

For Suits, she was of age, she doesn't need permission from anyone to work.  No one mentioned at Team Sussex - Thank you Thomas Markle for Suits, but solely for the Minor Age stint.

There are THINGS H or M or Both do that by critical analysis DOES NOT need to be IMO in the Iffy wif , but there at the Team Sussex thread. I have posted there at Team Sussex such type of news. 

One can be critical, but there are instances too that there isn't anything to criticize.

Why would it be considred a Snark PREVIOUS 2016 for instance about Thomas Markle when Meghan herself wrote sweet notes about her father.

This is getting quite out of hand because some of us actually feel that one can post in both threads using our brains of what is and what not rather than be in an extreme cult of your in or out. 

It's possible that Meghan's parents had allowed her to get an acting permit just in case she landed a part in a commercial or on a series. I don't believe that any director would have been allowed to just let her or anyone else be there without a permit. Her parents would have had to sign a consent form of some sorts even if Thomas was present there.

Okay...so the answer would be yes that Meghan would be required to have a permit. I had a few students who were doing auditions, so their parents had to provide proof of a satisfactory report from the school about their attendance, grades and behavior.

A sincere thank you goes to the late Jackie Coogan! This silent era child actor's greedy parents used all of his earnings and left him broke. Today's entertainment child labor laws are sometimes called the "Jackie Coogan Law." https://www.sagaftra.org/membership-benefits/young-performers/coogan-law

Does my Child Actor Need a Work Permit? | Hometown to Hollywood - Bonnie J. Wallace (https://hometowntohollywood.com/does-my-child-actor-need-a-work-permit/)

QuoteAll states regulate employment for children, whether they are actors or not.

The State of California requires any child under the age of 18 (with a few exceptions) to have a valid and current work permit before they are allowed to work in the entertainment industry.

The first thing to notice about this is that if your child lands a job where they begin shooting the next day or so (not unusual) you will have a serious problem unless their work permit is already secured. So take care of this before they begin auditioning! This applies not only to acting jobs, but also to commercials, modeling, and vocal recording. The permits are valid for six months and renewable every six months while the child is under the age of 18.

There are services that take care of this process for you for a fee, but this is really unnecessary. The six-month permits are free of charge, and the first time you apply, you will need to be able to supply a birth certificate or other legally acceptable proof of birth date. Both first time, and all renewal applications for the work permit, must include approval from the child?s school?specifically, an authorized school administrator must verify that your child?s attendance and grades are ?satisfactory.? Note that this is an excellent incentive for your child to keep up their grades and attendance! The school?s approval is a necessary part of getting the work permit.

Quite from one parent or the other, but it's public knowledge because Meghan herself posted in The Tig about her dad being a Director of Lighting, Electricity at that particular show where she appeared as a Minor Age. She also wrote in The Tig that she would go there Daily after school - other than watch the action from behind the scenes, she was allowed to have her lunch, snack or dinner at the buffet table, a spread that was there also daily. This has 99.9% more to do with her father as a Director of that show (who factually won Emmy's for that show in his category vs 7 other competitors) than anyone else she can possibly mention today vs what she mentioned previous meeting H via her Tig blog.

These are facts that are undisputed and not snark. Why can't anyone or ME say thanks to something GOOD that happened then?! Quite mindblowing to be honest.

There are good truths and bad truths. I am not an extremist who needs to choose a thread or another.  I am capable of using my thinking cap/brain and post where IMO should be posted.

 :goodpost:

I'm placing the article here as the title focuses more on Meghan than Harry. Meghan dropped in the poll but Harry's doing better than he had been in previous polls which is a bonus.. The polling was done by Redfield and Wilton who had conducted an earlier poll in June 2023.

Meghan Markle Still Hasn't Won Back America?But Harry Has (https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-hasnt-won-america-prince-harry-has-poll-1824961)

QuoteMeghan Markle's popularity has taken a knock with more Americans disliking her than liking her for the first time in five months?but Prince Harry is still viewed positively, according to exclusive polling for Newsweek.

Harry's book Spare sent the couple's standing with U.S. adults nose-diving in January, but it appears to be Meghan rather than her prince who is struggling to bounce back.

A new poll of 1,500 U.S. adults conducted between September 3 and September 4 showed Meghan was liked by 31 percent and disliked by 33 percent, giving her a net approval rating of minus 2.This is down eight points since Newsweek's last royal poll with Redfield & Wilton in June, when she was on plus 6.

Prince Harry, meanwhile, was liked by 39 percent and disliked by 27 percent giving him a net approval rating of plus 12, a drop of six points since June when he was on plus 18.

While both remain a long way from their popularity before Harry's book came out, the prince is at least comfortably more liked than disliked.

The fieldwork was done on Sunday and Monday, after Meghan and Harry were seen partying to Beyonce on Friday, September 1, and starting on the same day Prince Harry was pictured watching LAFC play Inter Miami in the MLS.

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Prince Harry denied a room at Windsor Castle during visit
Duke of Sussex told he must give due notice of intention to stay on royal estate after stopover was deemed impossible to arrange
By Victoria Ward, ROYAL EDITOR
The Telegraph
23 September 2023 ? 4:59pm

^ I think Harry needs an assistant that can book him timely with whichever 'organization' he needs or wants to deal with.  This business that he wants to skip paperwork or whatever it entails to obtain something, especially now that he is not a senior working royal, will just frustrate him more and more.

I decided to place the headline of the subscription The Telegraph article in the Iffy Wiff because Victoria Ward is claiming that Harry had asked 1. a room at Windsor Castle 2. a meeting with his dad - who was at Balmoral 3. a visit to QEII resting place (granted). 

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But at home, problems persist. The Duke of Sussex was refused accommodation on the royal estate when he returned to the UK.

Roya Nikkhah Royal Editor
Saturday September 23 2023, 6.00pm BST,
The Sunday Times

^She also concurs with what seems to be widely acknowledged by the majority of RR's.

It brings tiara gate into mind of give it to me now, I'm not filling in paperwork nor follow procedures.

Yes, just another bit of pettiness, that whatever it does to Harry, isn?t likely to improve relations any between father and son, nor indeed reflect well on the Palace.

Of course it would have been just too terribly difficult for Charles, knowing that WellChild and the Invictus Games were to be held shortly and Harry might well be in London, to tell one of his aides to communicate by phone or email with Harry and tell him a room at Windsor or BP (or God forbid Clarence House) would be made available to him if he wished to use it. It wasn?t as if he was bringing a retinue or even his wife.

Harry probably stayed with friends or at a private club.

And AGAIN, where is the link to the Telegraph article in any of these posts, so that we can read it ourselves?

He did have an entourage. To be honest and fair I only knew about his entourage because social media users made a brouhaha over his female assistant that is (was* until M arrives) by his side at all times when working, and his 2 bodyguards. They have to sleep somewhere.

I know many redundancies happened when Charles became King, this entailed many changes including merging meals and beverages at least for CH and BP, no portions lost - exacting numbers...this goes for KP and Windsor Castle workers too.

I still think Harry's assistant should follow the rules, if the Monarchy requieres 30 days notice, just Do It.

Missing info? That?s why a link to what is being quoted should always be given if it comes from a viable source.
And why would Harry be requesting accommodation if he was bringing his own bodyguards? The media has always gone on about Harry always being under royal protection when staying on royal property. It sounds to me like that request from Harry was made some time ago and not at the last minute as has been inferred. 

As for the accommodation these aren?t medieval times. Charles probably knew Harry would have had a bodyguard or two  if not about the assistant IF it was a late request. . A way could have been found if the King had wished it, but he obviously didn?t.

And Seward wittering on in the DM about Charles offering olive branches by asking Harry to go to Balmoral on the eve of the Queen?s death anniversary is just empty rhetoric. (A) we don?t know that Charles offered the invite or not. She was just told that by an aide. And (B) IF there was an invitation then Charles must have known that Harry would hardly be rushing up to Balmoral when he had WellChild looming the next day. Unnecessary journey by commercial plane I suppose then find a car to drive up there to the actual castle, and then the same thing back to London for WellChild. Couldn?t be done!

Prince Harry 'turned down King Charles' offer to spend anniversary of Queen's death at Balmoral with his father' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-12551959/Prince-Harry-turned-King-Charles-Balmoral-offer.html#:~:text=Harry%20had%20asked%20for%20security),available%20for%20him%20to%20use.

Harry in astonishing snub to Charles after rejecting offer to spend anniversary of Queen's death with father at Balmoral | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/24097999/prince-harry-snub-charles-queens-death-anniversary/)

Note that in the Sun ?Harry FORMALLY requested accommodation at Windsor? but was turned down. This doesn?t sound like Harry turning up at the last minute and requesting it. And the journey to Balmoral involved a plane and a car, it?s not a hop and skip away from London.

Quote from: wannable on September 23, 2023, 07:17:21 PM
^ I think Harry needs an assistant that can book him timely with whichever 'organization' he needs or wants to deal with.  This business that he wants to skip paperwork or whatever it entails to obtain something, especially now that he is not a senior working royal, will just frustrate him more and more.

I decided to place the headline of the subscription The Telegraph article in the Iffy Wiff because Victoria Ward is claiming that Harry had asked 1. a room at Windsor Castle 2. a meeting with his dad - who was at Balmoral 3. a visit to QEII resting place (granted).
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Oh Harry still thinks the world revolves around his wants when he wants something, he just has not accepted the fact he *left or ran or whatever* years ago from his family who then he bad-mouthed to the entire world......just who does this selfish entitled so called prince think he is........still the same ole behavior as before....this time the Palace did not give into his wants......he is no longer a working royal of the BRF and will never be that again......

Quote from: Curryong on September 23, 2023, 07:54:05 PM
Yes, just another bit of pettiness, that whatever it does to Harry, isn?t likely to improve relations any between father and son, nor indeed reflect well on the Palace.

Of course it would have been just too terribly difficult for Charles, knowing that WellChild and the Invictus Games were to be held shortly and Harry might well be in London, to tell one of his aides to communicate by phone or email with Harry and tell him a room at Windsor or BP (or God forbid Clarence House) would be made available to him if he wished to use it. It wasn?t as if he was bringing a retinue or even his wife.

Harry probably stayed with friends or at a private club.

And AGAIN, where is the link to the Telegraph article in any of these posts, so that we can read it ourselves?

@Curryong-Here's the link to The Telegraph article. I have also posted the entire article.

Honestly, it seems that the request from Prince Harry came too late for the staff at Windsor Castle so it was denied. Prince Harry and his team then apparently went to a hotel. Charles and Camilla were at Balmoral which is typical for the monarch during this time of the year. With just a one day/night stay in the UK, it would have been difficult to coordinate a visit.

It should be noted that summer is when the major cleaning, repair and restoration work at BP, WC, CH, etc..occurs even while allowing for the tourists who come to visit these historic sites.

Prince Harry denied a room at Windsor Castle during visit (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/09/23/prince-harry-notice-royal-estate-windsor-castle-balmoral/)

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The Duke of Sussex must give due notice if he wishes to stay on a royal estate, The Telegraph understands, after he was denied a room at Windsor Castle earlier this month.

The Duke flew to London for the WellChild Awards, an annual charity event that this year fell on the eve of the first anniversary of Queen Elizabeth II?s death.

Having established that it would be impossible to see his father due to their diary commitments and because the King was at Balmoral, the Duke asked if he could instead stay at Windsor Castle.

The arrangement would have enabled him to easily visit his grandmother?s resting place at St George?s Chapel, Windsor, the following day, which he also asked if he could do.

The visit was the Duke?s first since the Sussexes were evicted from Frogmore Cottage, their former Windsor home. It means they are now ?homeless? when on UK soil and must ask permission from Buckingham Palace to stay on one of the royal estates.

Royal sources have stressed that such provision will be made where possible but that the palace must be given suitable warning of any such visit.

The Duke is next expecting to be in the UK in January, when his claim against News Group Newspapers, the publisher of The Sun, for alleged unlawful information gathering is due to be heard at the High Court.

The Duke?s office first contacted Buckingham Palace after confirming his attendance at the WellChild Awards.It said the Duke would love to see his father and stay with him if at all possible.

However, he was told he would have to put in a formal request. It is unclear whether the King was aware of such correspondence.

The Duke?s team duly sent specific details and timings of his trip. He had only a small window of 24 hours in the UK before he flew to Germany for the Invictus Games.

The palace is understood to have responded, explaining that the King would be at Balmoral on the relevant dates but that the Duke was more than welcome to join him there.

Such a meeting would have allowed father and son an opportunity to catch up, face to face, for the first time in months.

But both sides acknowledged that it was simply not feasible given the timings. The Duke would have had to have flown to Scotland by helicopter or private jet and even then would have had minimal, if any, time with his father.

The Duke?s office then asked if it was possible to be given accommodation in Windsor ? or indeed anywhere else ? but is said to have done so too late and that it was deemed impossible to arrange.As such, he was forced to stay in a hotel for the night ? which, having been stripped of his police protection, added a complicated security element.

The Duke was, though, allowed to visit the late Queen?s grave ? a private excursion that became public knowledge when a member of the public took a photograph of him leaving the chapel.

The late Queen is buried alongside her husband, the late Duke of Edinburgh; her mother, Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother; her father, King George VI, and her sister, Princess Margaret, at the King George VI Memorial Chapel inside St George?s Chapel.

The Duke was joined at the Invictus Games in D?sseldorf by the Duchess of Sussex, where they were warmly applauded by the crowd.

At the event, he made a speech saying people should not be judged by their ?past pain?.

The Duke is not thought to have fully reconciled with his family during his visits to the UK for state events, such as the late Queen?s funeral and the King?s Coronation, after the incendiary allegations contained in his autobiography Spare, which was published earlier this year.

Many Thanks for that entire article. I really wanted to read the entire content, not little snippets, and now I can. And interesting that the offer to go to Balmoral to C+C was just empty rhetoric as I stated in a previous post. The Palace acknowledged that the window was too small to allow for travel to Balmoral and back.

I don?t see why FC (which is now completely empty of tenants and everything else) couldn?t be kept for the Sussexes on a yearly lease. Instead they were more or less evicted, told to go, allowing the British media to crow, in order for that property to stand empty and without purpose. Everyone must have known that Eugenie and Jack were only stop gap tenants. If Andrew was supposed to move into FC then that plan fell apart and very quickly. Imo, telling the couple they couldn't have FC after they had spent considerable money on it was just vindictive and petty.

Quote from: Curryong on September 24, 2023, 07:18:53 PM
Many Thanks for that entire article. I really wanted to read the entire content, not little snippets, and now I can. And interesting that the offer to go to Balmoral to C+C was just empty rhetoric as I stated in a previous post. The Palace acknowledged that the window was too small to allow for travel to Balmoral and back.

I don?t see why FC (which is now completely empty of tenants and everything else) couldn?t be kept for the Sussexes on a yearly lease. Instead they were more or less evicted, told to go, allowing the British media to crow, in order for that property to stand empty and without purpose. Everyone must have known that Eugenie and Jack were only stop gap tenants. If Andrew was supposed to move into FC then that plan fell apart and very quickly. Imo, telling the couple they couldn't have FC after they had spent considerable money on it was just vindictive and petty.

IMO  it was largely a business decision. After KCIII's reign began, his staff would have begun  appraising the vacant properties to determine which ones were likely to fetch the highest rents.. IMO it was determined that the newly renovated Frogmore Cottage is easier to rent as a single family home, than some of the other vacant dwellings on the royal estates. It's large enough for a family but not so spacious that a 21st century couple would struggle to fill the spaces with furniture and other belongings.

If the Sussexes require a place to stay in London, than the now vacant Apt1 is a good choice IMO. It's obviously secure and has been recently repaired with a new roof.  Plus it is spacious enough for the entire Sussex family and any staff/security they need to bring. It can easily be furnished with items from the warehouse and any other rooms can just remain closed off. It's location is close enough to see Charles at Clarence House or Buckingham Palace but out of the way of courtiers that Harry/Meghan likely don't want to encounter. Plus, I believe that it gives Harry a chance to show his children where he spent his childhood. They could probably even use the BP swimming pool if they wished to do so.

Posting by subscription pay per view articles doesn't help that media company to survive, that is 2,729 employees with families too for the above particular cheated article. I have explained thoroughly to RIF administration I will not post cheat archive links nor full articles from by PPV subscription media websites. By posting a quote with the RR, Date and Media Organisation is sufficient to search it in your own browser and pay for it or cheat unlawfully about it or check what I quoted is truthfully from one of them.


Anyway more Iffy Wiff from The Sun, they survive with advertisement.

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SUSSEXES GAG KIDS Harry & Meg?s aides tried to GAG teachers & pupils as young as 5 at school where they filmed for their ?80m Netflix show
Harry & Meg?s aides tried to GAG teachers & pupils as young as 5 at school where they filmed for their ?80m Netflix show | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24103148/harry-meghan-aides-gag-school-teachers-pupils-netflix/)

LOL with the 5 year olds.

Forgmore Cottage latest news - nothing petty or vindictive. 

Harry and Meghan struck deal to pay no more rent

Daily Mail
Home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk) ? news ? article-11876637
Mar 18, 2023  The Duke and Duchess of Sussex struck a deal with Buckingham Palace to pay no further rent on Frogmore Cottage after refunding the GBP 2.4 Million.

^ Nothing in the world beats a financial statement.

^^^Which IMO made perfect sense since they were not living there year round. They save money to put towards other bills that they have.

Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2023, 08:52:55 PM
Forgmore Cottage latest news - nothing petty or vindictive. 

Harry and Meghan struck deal to pay no more rent

Daily Mail
Home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk) ? news ? article-11876637
Mar 18, 2023  The Duke and Duchess of Sussex struck a deal with Buckingham Palace to pay no further rent on Frogmore Cottage after refunding the GBP 2.4 Million.

^ Nothing in the world beats a financial statement.

Yes, but who suggested this deal first, the Sussexes or the Palace. And British Press reports always twist all their stories about the couple to ?show? that the Palace is always in the right and the Sussexes completely in the wrong.

Eugenie and Jack were there at the Cottage for part of the time, and we don?t know whether they paid rent or if they did, to whom?  What?s more, the Sussexes have never ever stated that they did not wish to have FC as their home whenever they came to Britain. It was given to them as a wedding gift. Some gift!

Quote from: TLLK on September 24, 2023, 08:18:23 PM
IMO  it was largely a business decision. After KCIII's reign began, his staff would have begun  appraising the vacant properties to determine which ones were likely to fetch the highest rents.. IMO it was determined that the newly renovated Frogmore Cottage is easier to rent as a single family home, than some of the other vacant dwellings on the royal estates. It's large enough for a family but not so spacious that a 21st century couple would struggle to fill the spaces with furniture and other belongings.

If the Sussexes require a place to stay in London, than the now vacant Apt1 is a good choice IMO. It's obviously secure and has been recently repaired with a new roof.  Plus it is spacious enough for the entire Sussex family and any staff/security they need to bring. It can easily be furnished with items from the warehouse and any other rooms can just remain closed off. It's location is close enough to see Charles at Clarence House or Buckingham Palace but out of the way of courtiers that Harry/Meghan likely don't want to encounter. Plus, I believe that it gives Harry a chance to show his children where he spent his childhood. They could probably even use the BP swimming pool if they wished to do so.

I hardly think Harry or his family would be allowed to use the precious BP swimming pool without written permission at least six months in advance. Nor do we know whether they will be required to ask permission to use Apt 1 months in advance either. And in the meantime FC remains empty, in spite of it being such a fine outstanding ?single family home?.. Efficient usage of vacant royal properties? Doesn?t appear so, does it?

For the 99% of citizens it is a gift, the crown estate property comes with a bunch of add ons, and cheap rent.

Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2023, 09:30:30 PM
For the 99% of citizens it is a gift, the crown estate property comes with a bunch of add ons, and cheap rent.

Yes, the bunch of add ons included the Sussexes having to pay back millions to the Sovereign Grant, something that wasn?t asked of the Cambridges with any of their properties in spite of expensive renovations, or of any other member of the BRF.

It?s a wonder that FC hasn?t been snatched up to rent by eager wealthy Londoners then if it?s so cheap and wonderful. Instead it is empty and it?s now nearly Oct.

I think the late Queen and King Charles is handling the Sussex problem very well.

They paid back because they announced themselves 18 months after a royal marriage that they wanted to step down and be half in half out. A scandal of SG moneys wasted. Of course they had to pay back - it was widely reported worldwide.

Anyway, I am curious to see IF King Charles will let H a property within any of the crown estates.  H comes with a film crew too for commercial purposes - this I did not mention yesterday with his entourage, but a couple of film crew was also travelling with him. It's a huge dilema for his father, H seems to not understand it.  Using royal connections and wanting to have it - by this time he shoud know but he likes to shoot himself in the foot  - circle of anger again and again.

Once KCIII let's H have a property within any of the crown estates, everyone else living there are at H's mercy because Dad made it happen. It is what it is. Dad would have to make H sign a bunch of NDA and a mile long list of rules, is it worth it?  I don't think so, I think H should purchase a property of his own like Montecito and be King to his own home.

Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2023, 09:43:24 PM
I think the late Queen and King Charles is handling the Sussex problem very well.

They paid back because they announced themselves 18 months after a royal marriage that they wanted to step down and be half in half out. A scandal of SG moneys wasted. Of course they had to pay back - it was widely reported worldwide.

Anyway, I am curious to see IF King Charles will let H a property within any of the crown estates.  H comes with a film crew too for commercial purposes. It's a huge dilema for his father, H seems to not understand it.

Oh so Harry was there with a film crew at the unknown hotel he had to stay in because he was denied rooms at Windsor? Interesting that no-one reported it then! The truth is that 90% of the time when Harry is in Britain he doesn?t have a film crew on hand. Did he have a film crew around when he was appearing at his court cases earlier this year? No!  Any film crew were obviously there to film WellChild or more obviously, the IG, which were such a brilliant success.

And if Roya is reporting that it?s probable that Harry will get a property somewhere on Crown estates then it?s probably on the cards that he will. FC would have been ideal. The same reasoning went behind Charles being advised by the Palace to keep Harry as a Counsellor of State. He is still the next adult in the line of succession. Bad optics, almost as bad as chucking your son out of a home gifted to him by his grandmother as a wedding present.

Yes, he did not travel alone. What I've seen from social media videos and pictures, his followers ID'd 5 people

An example of a crown estate for those who do not know:
Buckingham Palace
188 staff bedrooms

Harry was born into it, he was used to having immediate staff members at his beck and call. 3 years ago he has to pay for his own staff and much more.

For those who do not know.
Windsor Castle
150 staff quarters

For those who do not know.
Kensington Palace
50 staff quarters

Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2023, 10:15:25 PM
For those who do not know.
Kensington Palace
50 staff quarters

For those who do not know, Apt 1 at KP does not consist of staff quarters.

Nor does BP which held flats for Anne, the Yorks and the Wessexes, before recent renovations.

Nor does Clarence House, which is Charles?s home now and used to be Harry?s and William?s after the QM?s death. The house has ample guest quarters.

Quote from: wannable on September 24, 2023, 10:14:35 PM
For those who do not know.
Windsor Castle
150 staff quarters

For those who do not know. Windsor Castle, the largest castle in the world that is still a family home, used to host UK BRF family Christmases. It accommodated many members of the RF at that time. It does NOT consist solely of staff quarters. There are ample guest suites.

My reply has to do with questioning Harry's entourage. He has to pay for their accomodation or thought he can get 6 rooms at a crown estate property for independent commercial reasons.

Maybe it is time Harry  actually uses that *Brain* on his head and do some thinking for a change besides shooting from the hip that he can get what he wants when he wants something.  News Flash:  Harry the world does not go around or revolve around you and your needs/wants.  Think he will learn that someday, what a tiny spoiled BRAT he is.

He has millions so pay your own way in life now that you left the royal family even your bodyguards and entourage.  They are *your  responsibility* when working for you. 

Quote from: wannable on September 25, 2023, 12:01:13 AM
My reply has to do with questioning Harry's entourage. He has to pay for their accomodation or thought he can get 6 rooms at a crown estate property for independent commercial reasons.

Why six rooms? Were the males that accompanied him insisting on a room apiece?  Why can?t they share? And 99% of the persons who accompany royals who live abroad and come to stay at palaces in England are staff that have to be accommodated somewhere on the premises. It?s nothing new for aides to have to deal with. And those royals that bring staff generally aren?t even related to the BRF, let alone being the son of the King.

Quote from: Curryong on September 24, 2023, 09:26:54 PM
I hardly think Harry or his family would be allowed to use the precious BP swimming pool without written permission at least six months in advance. Nor do we know whether they will be required to ask permission to use Apt 1 months in advance either. And in the meantime FC remains empty, in spite of it being such a fine outstanding ?single family home?.. Efficient usage of vacant royal properties? Doesn?t appear so, does it?

The lease that the Sussexes had for Frogmore Cottage ended at the end of June  2023 and it was noted so in the Sovereign Grant report briefing.  Realistically, it hasn't been that long since the couple moved their furnishings, belongings etc..out of their former residence. Also as the owners of the property, the Royal Estates would have to prepare the property with any  necessary repair work that would need to be done at FC. I expect that in the future a new tenant will take up residence.
Harry and Meghan have left Frogmore Cottage, palace confirms | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/harry-and-meghan-have-left-frogmore-cottage-palace-confirms-12911529)

QuoteAt the annual Sovereign Grant account briefing on royal finances, Sir Michael Stevens, keeper of the Privy Purse, said: "We can confirm that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have vacated Frogmore Cottage.

"We will not be going into any detail on those arrangements here.

"Safe to say that, as has previously been stated, the duke and duchess have paid for the expenditure incurred by the Sovereign Grant in relation to the renovation of Frogmore Cottage, thus leaving the Crown with a greatly enhanced asset."

It is being reported that BP is denying earlier reports that the Sussexes might be offered one of the KP apartments when they visit, so I guess that is no longer an option.

Buckingham Palace denies claims Charles ?might offer Harry a royal home? in UK | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/buckingham-palace-addresses-claims-it-b2417977.html)

QuoteRoyal sources allegedly said the palace was considering leasing one of the royal residences to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, because counsellors of state must be domiciled in the UK.

Kensington Palace, where the Prince and Princess of Wales have a home and private office, was reportedly among the options that were evaluated.

However, Buckingham Palace said ?these claims are not true? in a statement to the newspaper. Royal aides added that short-term accommodation would be made available for Harry during any visits to the UK ? depending on availability.

As for the BP swimming pool, I don't believe that Grandpa Charles would deny his grandchildren the opportunity to use it.  :happy:

Quote from: Curryong on September 24, 2023, 09:37:11 PM
Yes, the bunch of add ons included the Sussexes having to pay back millions to the Sovereign Grant, something that wasn?t asked of the Cambridges with any of their properties in spite of expensive renovations, or of any other member of the BRF.

It?s a wonder that FC hasn?t been snatched up to rent by eager wealthy Londoners then if it?s so cheap and wonderful. Instead it is empty and it?s now nearly Oct.

If the Sussexes had not chosen to step back from their royal duties in January 2020, then they wouldn't have been asked to repay the money to the Sovereign Grant. The working royals are not required to pay rent on the apartments and homes that where they reside. Non working royals and other family members who live mostly at one of the KP apartments or cottages, do pay rent ie Prince and Princess Michael of Kent.

The swimming pool as of this year has ''further'' rules to use it in order to save energy.  The heater was on from 6 to 6, now it's off and will be turned on when in use. Some employees had the cheek to moan about that, lol. To do so, the Monarchy must have created a 'hub' which is like a SAP system where you enter all the approving of a use of something/anything. Big corporations have their hub - the ''level'' of use is actually very expansive and complete. The Hub I used had Human Resources to request vacation, to request the use of anything/something, each item had its rules. You have to read the rules, then in the hub take the test which had a timer to actually see if you read the rules, fail - the fail ended up in your HR file, 3 more chances to pass a/any test. People who land a job at big organizations are used to this level of precision, dicipline, requirement.  I say this because clearly by the RR articles since Tiara Gate - the monarchy does have best practices with the use of crown estate properties, etc.

@Curryong 1 guest room 5 staff rooms, shared or not - I very much doubt Charles will take any risk whatsoever. H loose lips sink ships metaphorical warning to Charles. IOW H has already wrote, filmed and what not at crown estate property without permission.  He has done it to his family and friends.

For what it's worth, Neil Sean said last night that the reality is H is not wanted in any of the crown estates. He said IF he ever stays in any of them - the instruction is H has to surrender his smartphone and sign a waiver of no moving or taking of crown estate 'aritfacts'.  Make of that what you will.  It sounds like thievery to me.

^^^ Having the pool heater running daily from 6am to 6pm would have been a waste of energy, so keeping it off until it's requested for use makes sense. Also the pool likely has times when it needs to be drained for maintenance and repair work, so it everyone who uses it would have to abide by the maintenance schedule.

For what it?s worth, what Neil Sean says about anything is worth nothing!

The flip side of Neil Sean's news last night in reference to H requesting a crown estate property room is that he still would have to sign waivers and follow rules at commercial viable hotels, resorts or private member club.  He knows where H stayed, so when in the lobby of this central London private member club - sign entry and then sign departure, the blueprint is basically the same.  Of course, this has 'no value' compared to H loose lips of anything royal connection related, so telling a tale of 'I stayed at Windsor Castle - it's dark, there are artifacts hanging on the walls that I don't like compared/versus I stayed at Soho House, the latter is meh the prior is clicks galore.

Why would Harry be interested in getting clicks for himself? That?s :laugh: the sort of thing that Sean and his ilk (who have never stayed at Windsor Castle) would be heavily into. Harry stayed at Windsor a thousand times in his lifetime as a member of the family, as a small child visiting for Xmas, seeing his grandparents there when he was growing up. He, like most of the royals, wouldn?t be interested in the artwork, furniture, China or artifacts. They?ve seen it all before.

They?ve all seen such things all their lives. They?re of no interest. And Sean has been more viperish about the Sussexes than ever in the past month.  :laugh: He and his bosses at Fox and other right wing affiliates expected them both to roll over and die after Spotify, lol. It must be the fact that the couple got some great publicity during the IG that?s upset him.

A nasty little creep, with an obsession about mentioning the Sussexes every time he opens his mouth, with his ?ex royals? and ?ex cable TV actress?. At least she always earned her own living.

How about ?Kate, the ex picture taker at her parents? business? or ?ex part time buyer at family friends business?? Does that sound good, lol? The ex helicopter pilot perhaps, for Willie!!! And if Harry is an ex royal then why does he have a princely title? Sean always keeps quiet about that one, lol.

His imagination is running riot at the moment spurred on his faux indignation about the Sussexes every darn day and by some old queen who works at the Palace and tells him what he wants to hear so he can fill his gossip reports. What a way to earn a living! If it were me I?d want to crawl into a hole and die of embarrassment and shame but that little egotist thinks he?s doing some service to the world. Something of value!!!!

He?s a nothing. Always has been, always will be. And there is certainly one thing Harry is that Sean is not and never will be and that is a King?s son.

Why bring Catherine into this situation, she has nothing to do with where Harry stays if and when he comes back?  She takes pictures at her parents, their business? So what, that is NOT Windsor, and as for Harry staying there as a child, well today he is a what, man?  We are in a different time period, so why compare 20/30/40 years ago to today?  Yes Harry is a royal prince and a weak insecure little man child playing at being a real man.....he LEFT, He RAN away from the royal family, telling LIES after LIES, is he regretting moving to Ca?   He can NOT expect to be given all that he LEFT/RAN from now. I don't think he realizes just what he did in life.....boy it won't be pretty when he faces FACTS, will it?

How about ?Kate, the ex picture taker at her parents? business? or ?ex part time buyer at family friends business?? Does that sound good, lol? The ex helicopter pilot perhaps, for Willie!!! And if Harry is an ex royal then why does he have a princely title? Sean always keeps quiet about that one, lol.

**If it were me I?d want to crawl into a hole and die of embarrassment and shame**

And if I was Harry I would crawl into a deep hole in the ground and cover myself up with the shame for the way I treated my grandparents after all they did for me and my life was NOT hard at all.   He had EVERYTHING handed to him a silver platter, just how many people in this world would have loved to had a tenth of what he had given to him daily.  He is byond selfish and arrogant as is his wife.......just because he is son of a king does NOT make him a perfect human being, he sheds responsibility like my dog sheds fur......I get sick of reading on the internet all over the world how damn perfect he is....

Harry visited Windsor Castle and his grandmother, all his life. Harry left Britain for good in 2019/20. While he and his wife were at FC and fairly newly married they would have dropped in to see Harry?s grandmother on occasions convenient to both  when she was staying there. 2018 and 2019 is not twenty years ago.

And I will continue to hold my views on Neil Sean. Unlike Harry and the work he?s done with veterans over the years (as well as being in the army for ten years) Sean has done nothing for anybody except spread gossip, much of it unfounded, about people in the public eye. And that?s not just the Sussexes, it?s every celebrity he (and most importantly his bosses) regard as left wing and ?woke? (and organisations such as ITV and the BBC which have to be slammed because they are not right wing enough for him and his employers.)

And I referred to Kate because Sean wouldn?t dream of calling Kate or Camilla, ?the ex photographer of party tatt? or ?the ex Debutante who was really jobless until she married APB? (Camilla) yet every time Sean opens his mouth  (and he talks practically every day (I?ve seen his reports);he ALWAYS refers to Meghan as ?the ex cable TV actress Meghan Markle?.

Number One. Meghan hasn?t been a professional actress on TV since November 2017 when she finished up at ?Suits? and came to live in England. When?s he going to stop referring to her as that, when she is 60? Number Two. Meghan has not been Meghan Markle since her wedding day in May 2018 when she became the Duchess of Sussex (not Essex, Sussex.) When is he going to stop those inaccuracies and BS? When she?s 70? He?s the one who?s years out of date, not me! 

Harry has proven himself untrustworthy.  After the way he has maligned his family, he shouldn't expect to have free rein to come and go on royal properties as he pleases.  When he and Meghan decided to trash his family for money, Harry should have realized that would change the relationships, probably permanently.  If he does stay on a royal property in the future, I expect it would need to be planned and that Harry, and Meghan if she came, would have to agree to certain restrictions and rules.  The Palace is not likely to give them opportunities to film and photograph for the public again.       

Quote from: Kristeh-H on September 26, 2023, 01:17:48 AM
Harry has proven himself untrustworthy.  After the way he has maligned his family, he shouldn't expect to have free rein to come and go on royal properties as he pleases.  When he and Meghan decided to trash his family for money, Harry should have realized that would change the relationships, probably permanently.  If he does stay on a royal property in the future, I expect it would need to be planned and that Harry, and Meghan if she came, would have to agree to certain restrictions and rules.  The Palace is not likely to give them opportunities to film and photograph for the public again.       

Harry didn?t ?expect to have full rein to come and go on royal properties? at all. As the Telegraph article linked here on this forum by TLLK earlier makes clear, he, through his staff in California, FORMALLY requested accommodation at Windsor in communication with officials at the Palace. He asked if he could stay at Windsor in order to visit his grandmother?s tomb, or if not, accomodation elsewhere. He was knocked back except for the tomb request, and told later by Palace staff (and as the Telegraph article notes) that there was no available accommodation. In fact it?s not clear if the King even knew about this correspondence as the article again notes.

He was told that there were no rooms available and all staff were at Balmoral (plainly ridiculous as all royal residences have plenty of rooms and all have skeleton staff even when royals aren?t in residence) and was offered Balmoral as an option as the King was there. The staff must have known that with WellChild the next day Harry would hardly be flying up to the Highlands and back for a few hours. So he stayed at a hotel.

I personally do not see Harry and or Meghan ever being welcomed again in the royal family or anywhere they are at.....and that is *on* Harry and Meghan only.  Just who in the world makes fun of a 96 year old woman with a stupid courtesy and for Harry to sit and say or do nothing shows what a weak stupid little man he is...he is totally a disgusting human being. If someone ever would insult my grandparents they would face the fear of wrath....100 fold!  And that is just part of why the royal family has I believe shut the door on them.....in fact imho it was insulting for Harry to even pay a visit to his grandmother's tomb for the insults he dealt her in her last remaining years and NO one can put a spin on that ever. I could care less what they do in life as long as they leave the royal family to go about their own lives. Go kiss the bottoms Harry and Meghan for that is all your good for in life now....and that is very sad for they could of done so much  more, Yet Meghan had stars in her eyes, and Hollywood was calling.....well time will tell just how long that will last!

This discussion was beginning to go off topic. This thread should be about the general chat for the Sussex family. Comments about the various royal reporters and biographers have been moved to the thread linked below.

The Iffy-Wiff Club: The Sussexes' Relationship with the press, tabloids, media (https://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=95466.0)

Harry and Meghan polls are down  in both countries is all what needs to be known.

I am almost certain Netflix will be running circles around them until they can be freed from the contract.

Quote from: Curryong on September 26, 2023, 02:39:19 AM
Harry didn?t ?expect to have full rein to come and go on royal properties? at all. As the Telegraph article linked here on this forum by TLLK earlier makes clear, he, through his staff in California, FORMALLY requested accommodation at Windsor in communication with officials at the Palace. He asked if he could stay at Windsor in order to visit his grandmother?s tomb, or if not, accomodation elsewhere. He was knocked back except for the tomb request, and told later by Palace staff (and as the Telegraph article notes) that there was no available accommodation. In fact it?s not clear if the King even knew about this correspondence as the article again notes.

He was told that there were no rooms available and all staff were at Balmoral (plainly ridiculous as all royal residences have plenty of rooms and all have skeleton staff even when royals aren?t in residence) and was offered Balmoral as an option as the King was there. The staff must have known that with WellChild the next day Harry would hardly be flying up to the Highlands and back for a few hours. So he stayed at a hotel.

Well, 'free rein' might be a slight exaggeration, but obviously Harry does expect to be able to stay on royal properties, even after the shameful way he's treated his family.  Perhaps Charles didn't know about it, but I, for one, would be surprised if he didn't.  I think it is likely that when Harry made the request, someone on staff contacted Charles to see how to proceed, or that Charles and his advisors had already discussed and decided how to handle the matter if the Sussexes requested accommodations on royal properties.  The fact that Harry can be turned down, or given conditions is not at all surprising to me.  It's a sad necessity to protect the monarchy and other beloved family members from further attacks or exploitation. 

Harry and Meghan didn't just burn their bridges.  They rather spectacularly blew them up and ground them into the dust.  The relationships have changed and it can't be the same as before.   

Oh WOW, Thank you for putting all that into words I didn't know how to.  Harry has *no* idea what he has done the last 3 years, he didn't just blow up those bridges and make them dust........he exploded himself before the entire world to let everyone see the type of person he is and boy did he blow it big time. Meghan when she met Harry, boy she set her sights on him and planned the path to a gold Welsh ring with a title and millions and got just what she wanted with a home in LaLa Land with all the Hollywood stars around her for company.  This was her goal/plan from the beginning of meeting Harry and with Harry feeling free to talk about the issues he had with the royal family well their plans took off in biding their time  could  just run as far as they could with no regrets, it worked for both of them and *Shame* on both of them for they used the royal family to make millions anyway they could.  I hope the royal family has shut that door,  burned the bridges on their end and built a very strong wall to never let them back in just like Queen Mom did to Edward and Wallis......you betray the family, you do not get back in period.

Quote from: Nightowl on September 27, 2023, 12:34:41 AM
Oh WOW, Thank you for putting all that into words I didn't know how to.  Harry has *no* idea what he has done the last 3 years, he didn't just blow up those bridges and make them dust........he exploded himself before the entire world to let everyone see the type of person he is and boy did he blow it big time. Meghan when she met Harry, boy she set her sights on him and planned the path to a gold Welsh ring with a title and millions and got just what she wanted with a home in LaLa Land with all the Hollywood stars around her for company.  This was her goal/plan from the beginning of meeting Harry and with Harry feeling free to talk about the issues he had with the royal family well their plans took off in biding their time  could  just run as far as they could with no regrets, it worked for both of them and *Shame* on both of them for they used the royal family to make millions anyway they could.  I hope the royal family has shut that door,  burned the bridges on their end and built a very strong wall to never let them back in just like Queen Mom did to Edward and Wallis......you betray the family, you do not get back in period.

Thanks, Nightowl.  I don't know that I would go so far as to hope that they can never reconcile.  It is a sad situation for a family to be torn apart.  But realistically, I think a full reconciliation is unlikely.  As I said, I don't think things can ever be the same, for the simple reason that I don't think anyone could ever trust Harry and Meghan again.  When you can't trust someone, you can't be close to them.  You always have to be on guard, and that's exhausting. 

There's also the fact that Harry and Meghan don't seem willing to admit to any mistakes or regrets on their own part.  That's another aspect that would make any meaningful discussions impossible.

Having a similar situation in my family I can tell you, you nailed it with the word *Trust* as that was so broken in my family by someone who was deeply loved and who betrayed the family till the day they died.....anger has a way of building up when there is no place to put it when the person who created the situation is gone forever...because of my situation I see Harry as deeply troubled person right now who lives in his own head without seeing the situation he created. It is very sad what has happened to him and Meghan is not his cure all at all......he must dig real  deep down inside and face himself and his lack of responsibility before anything else, I just hope he survives for if not, his life will never have peace or real happiness for the end will not be pretty.  Trust is my middle name now in all things.......as my son says.   

Yes, I agree.  Trust is crucial to being able to have a good relationship.

Yes it is and one thing I learned from my sister is about *telling lies* we were totally honest and up front with each other always..even when it hurt yet she believed in this...*when a person tells a like, it puts a black mark on their soul* so we never lied to each other and to this day I will not tell a lie regardless of that it is or the situation.  I know people think I am nuts and that is okay for I am that way and do not expect anyone else to be that way....we all have our own lives and way of living them.  I think you would of like her, she was the most incredible kindness and understanding human being I have ever known...she also taught me about 2nd chances in life...........LOL......one royal woman got that......LOL!

Does Harry want his old life back?

Meghan?s frustration - ?Prince Harry wants his old life back? - OK! Magazine (https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/meghans-frustration-prince-harry-wants-31062175)

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Following reports last week that Prince Harry is desperate to return to the UK, an expert has told OK! his desire to get his old life back is a source of frustration to his wife, Meghan Markle.

Entertainment commentator Mark Boardman told us that the 39-year-old Duke of Sussex ?longs? for his friends and would love a home in London. But he said Meghan, 42, wants him to leave that chapter behind.

Will Charles give him related to Counsellor of State a residence?

Harry WON'T attend King Charles' 75th birthday: Duke of Sussex 'turns down invite' in latest snub - amid claims pair 'don't speak much' after Prince (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12713685/prince-harry-king-charles-birthday-royal-family.html)

Prince Harry and the King still 'don't speak much' partly due to Charles' 'disappointment' at Duke's depiction of Queen Camilla as 'dangerous' and a (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12712483/Prince-Harry-King-dont-speak-partly-Charles-disappointment-Dukes-depiction-Queen-Camilla-dangerous-villain-memoir-insider-claims.html)

Charles 'hasn't forgiven Harry' - and hasn't spoken to him in year, claim palace sources - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/king-charles-hasnt-forgiven-harry-31366831)

Prince Harry 'snubs' Charles AGAIN as Duke 'rejects invitation to King's 75th birthday party' | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/24641236/prince-harry-snubs-charles-rejects-invitation-birthday-party/)
Palace and Sussex have no comment it?s private matter and private business not back to Netflix December 2022 and his memoir January 2023 more embarrassed his own family but Harry definitely sold his soul according express says but it?s hurtful for his father the King Charles and his brother Prince of Wales definitely insult his own family expect members of the royal family

Who cares about what the tabloids including The Express have to say about anything regarding the royal family, and that includes Charles and Harry?s relationship. Their so-called royal reporters know nothing, as most of their stories about relationships between family members are bits of gossip. And the aides aren?t much better. Anybody who believes stories about the RF printed in tabloids needs their head read IMO.

I expect that the Palace did send an invitation to the Sussexes in California and it's their choice to accept or decline the invitation. It appears that they've chosen to decline this invitation and will privately send King Charles their birthday greeting.

Apparently not by some royal reporters

In reference to the articles of the Sussexes declining a invitation to celebrate with Charles his birthday. 

The royal rota in it's majority said they were not invited. Only Neil Sean said H was invited for a one on one lunch with his father. Nobody wants to attend a 'private' party, birthday, private anything with H because it ''will'' end up twisted by H in some media outlet for commercial gain. H is only invited by Charles when there is a public duty like The Coronation. 

Anyway, H would feel completely vulnerable surrounded by a dozen or two family and extended family by his own doing.

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The King turns 75  with just one son by his side
If the King were to make one birthday wish, it would undoubtedly be for a sustained period of silence from the Sussexes and their supporters

ByCamilla Tominey
Associated Editor
The Telegraph

Any celebrations would be minimal and family orientated.

King will mark the official start of a programme to tackle food waste, called the Coronation Food Project, next weekend.

As I said as a messenger after reading consensus of a majority of royal rota, his birthday will be celebrated with family, It will not be a public affair, noting the 'expenses' were done for his mother's funeral and his own coronation and tomorrow's Opening of Parliament which will be done with pomp and ceremony and 600 guests confirmed to attend.

Harry WON'T attend King Charles' 75th birthday: Duke of Sussex 'turns down invite' in latest snub - amid claims pair 'don't speak much' after Prince (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12713685/prince-harry-king-charles-birthday-royal-family.html)

Prince Harry rejects invite to King Charles's 75th birthday party | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1831882/prince-harry-reject-invite-king-charles-birthday)

King Charles 'misses Prince Harry' as Duke's absence will be felt at his birthday party | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1831969/king-charles-misses-prince-harry-birthday)

Prince Harry 'snubs' latest olive branch from his father King Charles amid bitter feud - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-harry-snubs-latest-olive-31369016)

Prince Harry 'snubs' Charles AGAIN as Duke 'rejects invitation to King's 75th birthday party' | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/24641236/prince-harry-snubs-charles-rejects-invitation-birthday-party/)

Due bombshell of Netflix last December 2022 and also Harry?s memoir last January 2023 more embarrassed of his father King Charles and his brother Prince William and expect his own family members but Harry sold his soul according to express says but article says King Charles and Prince William will not forgiven Harry for what Harry wrote in the book and expect Netflix that not okay with that but Harry wrote in the memoir of his own stepmother the Queen Camilla saying anything about that but Harry told his father not marry Camilla but members of the Royal family will kept silent about Sussex drama

Prince Harry has not been invited to the Kings 75th birthday party, despite claims that he's turned down the invite. A Sussex spokesman says there has been "no contact" re next week's celebrations -

https://x.com/victoria_ward/status/1721620854470033471?s=20

^ As I said in the Sussex board they weren't invited, at least VW for The Telegraph spoke with Meghan and Harry's spokesperson to confirm it to their fans, especially the Sussexsquad that think it was true that the couple were invited and they declined it. For some reason, they think this makes the couple bigger, more important, than whatever the occasion is about.

Charles is having a private party - nobody feels safe with the duo there.

The next let's be front page news for 48 hours, then after that another front page news denial will be Christmas at Sandringham. It's an old media PR game, you put the news, then you pretend it didn't come from you, then you have a special royal rota that comes from a broadsheet like The Telegraph with 'the spokesperson'.  Watch it happen.  :D

Quote from: wannable on November 06, 2023, 08:52:26 PM
^ As I said in the Sussex board they weren't invited, at least VW for The Telegraph spoke with Meghan and Harry's spokesperson to confirm it to their fans, especially the Sussexsquad that think it was true that the couple were invited and they declined it. For some reason, they think this makes the couple bigger, more important, than whatever the occasion is about.

Charles is having a private party - nobody feels safe with the duo there.

Yes King Charles and Prince William will not tolerate with Harry due back to Netflix last December 2022 and his memoir last January 2023 tell all more embarrassed but King Charles and Prince William both wanted kept silent on Sussex?s drama

^ The couple 'it happens to be' 'only' have a problem with the four most important people in the Monarchy. The impact of them 4 versus anyone else after H place in the line of succession is blah.

Quote from: sara8150 on November 06, 2023, 08:55:10 PM
Yes King Charles and Prince William will not tolerate with Harry due back to Netflix last December 2022 and his memoir last January 2023 tell all more embarrassed but King Charles and Prince William both wanted kept silent on Sussex?s drama

So, as I stated in my last post on this, the tabloids TELL LIES. All that rubbish from the Express that has been posted on these threads for the last couple of days in many articles about Harry refusing invites and ?snubbing? Charles has been proven to be just BS. Which is what I stated and usually say about these sort of tabloid articles.
They KNOW nothing and are not party to any private communications or none between Charles and his relatives.
They MAKE things up for clickbait. If anyone believes these articles they must have one brain cell and that?s debatable! 

There will be quiet family celebrations for Charles? birthday, like there were last year and the year before and the year before that (which was Covid restricted.)

It comes from a source, what most confirm it is from WME - the methodology I just explained. Any association with the Monarchy is as they know it - imperative for the couple to sell themselves commercially. Without the emotional connections, which is 'the association' that has to exist, they are nothing. Everthing for the couple is tied, I am sure at this point - they have been told by Ari, the big boss, something Sunshine Sach did not tell them or where told by a little someone in the pecking order - and they did not listen.

I was writing in my last two posts about the tabloids making up stories about the Sussexes just for clickbait. And on this occasion their lies (from the imaginations of Journos at the Express)  have been shown up for what they are. Rubbish for clickbait. Did you not see the four or five articles from the Express and others that sara linked, about snubs and invites refused and Charles? olive branch? They came from tabloid imaginations not anywhere else.

As for Charles, he can go on doing or not doing what he wants to with family relationships, and without the ?help? of tabloids. He can live in England with the wife who helped to wreck his first marriage and is none too popular with the British public. And Harry will go on living in California with his wife, who never broke anyone?s marriage up but her own to Trevor, and the sussex?s two small children.

And whatever occurs or doesn?t occur in the future, Harry still remains a Prince, he is still the grandson of the late Queen, son of King Charles and the next King?s (if there is one) only brother and that will never change until the end of time, whatever is said or inferred.

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 06, 2023, 08:24:57 PM
Prince Harry has not been invited to the Kings 75th birthday party, despite claims that he's turned down the invite. A Sussex spokesman says there has been "no contact" re next week's celebrations -

https://x.com/victoria_ward/status/1721620854470033471?s=20

I believe that since the publications such as The Telegraph and The Times are reporting on this story that this is why we're hearing a response from the Sussexes' spokesperson. If it was only the tabloids, then I believe that there would not have been a response.

The Times Royah Nikkah is speculating that the Sussexes might come to the UK for Christmas if an invitation is issued and their security needs can be met.

https://archive.ph/wiS46

QuoteAs phone calls go, there was no shortage of hype. On Tuesday, as the King marked his 75th birthday with an engagement highlighting a food waste project, the headlines were instead dominated with news that Prince Harry planned to call his father later that day from California.
The Sussexes may have been absent from Charles?s birthday party at Clarence House for his extended family and close friends that night, but they were still keen to be part of the day?s narrative.
Buckingham Palace refused to comment on a ?private? call, but soon after it happened, details emerged that Harry, 39, and Meghan, 42, had a ?warm? conversation with Charles, and played him a video of the grandchildren he barely knows, Prince Archie, 4, and Princess Lilibet, 2, singing Happy Birthday.
Sources close to the Sussexes hailed the call as a ?turning point? in the strained relations between the King and his second son. Courtiers rolled their eyes in dismay, finding it ?baffling? that a private conversation was briefed in advance and afterwards. As a source close to Charles said recently: ?It frustrates him that personal issues intrude on the public duty. He?d much rather the focus was on his work, not the soap opera of the private life. It is always frustrating when family dynamics overshadow the public role.?But if the phone call revealed one thing, it is that regardless of the bitter fallout after their Oprah interview, the Netflix documentary and the publication of Harry?s memoir, the couple are eager to maintain some kind of contact between Archie, Lili and the grandfather they have met only a handful of times.
With Thanksgiving approaching this Thursday, Meghan was asked by reporters what her favourite festive tradition was. She replied: ?That?s a great question. Our little ones are little, and we?re enjoying every moment of it.?
If Meghan?s red carpet musings reached the King?s ears, they may have been painful to hear. Charles has never spent a Christmas with Archie and Lili, nor, it is thought, any significant time with them. It is understood there is deep sadness on both sides of the Atlantic at this status quo.Archie was born in May 2019, and met his grandfather a handful of times as a baby before his parents left the UK for Canada in November that year, where they spent their first family Christmas before moving to America in January 2020.
Lili was born in California in June 2021, and met Charles for the first time last summer in what was reported as a ?very emotional? moment, when the Sussexes briefly returned to the UK to mark Queen Elizabeth?s Platinum Jubilee. No senior member of the royal family attended her first birthday party at Frogmore Cottage in June last year, and Charles has not seen the children in person since.
Meghan?s mother, Doria Ragland, who lives in California, is the only grandparent in regular contact with them. Meghan?s estranged father, Thomas Markle, has never met his grandchildren or Harry.
Friends of the Sussexes say they want to change the state of play, and would readily accept an invitation to Christmas at Sandringham, the King?s Norfolk home, or a summer stay at Balmoral, Scotland, where members of the royal family come and go in privacy and can easily avoid each other.
A friend said: ?I can?t imagine the Sussexes would decline an invitation to spend time with His Majesty. As of yet, there have not been any invitations for the holidays.? Buckingham Palace declined to comment.Harry and Meghan last spent Christmas at Sandringham in 2018. The walk to church on Christmas Day with William and Catherine saw them branded ?the fab four?, a moniker that has not aged well. The couples have been mostly on non-speakers for the past few years and as a consequence, William and Kate?s children, Prince George, 10, Princess Charlotte, 8, and Prince Louis, 5, barely know their cousins, although the couples did exchange Christmas gifts for each other?s children last year.
Earlier this year, the King asked Harry and Meghan to vacate Frogmore Cottage, their Windsor home. Sources close to the Sussexes note that, without security or a place to stay in the UK, they now need a ?formal invitation? from the King or Buckingham Palace to be able to stay on ?protected property? that has adequate security for the whole family.
Harry is locked in a legal battle with the Home Office over its decision to remove his police protection when he is in the UK, even though he has offered to pay for it. A legal representative has said he is ?unable to return to his home? with his family because it is too dangerous. Royal aides say that temporary accommodation for Harry on the royal estate, which is covered by heightened protection, is likely to be made available for him, when feasible, if requested for any short visits.But when Harry briefly returned to the UK in September for a charity event, during the anniversary of Queen Elizabeth?s death, his request for accommodation on the royal estate was refused. Charles invited his son to spend time with him at Balmoral, but Harry?s itinerary made it impossible.
What if logistics, accommodation, security and royal diaries could all align, making a visit by the Sussexes feasible? After so many royal secrets have been spilt by the Sussexes? commercial ventures, the royal family continues to struggle with how any future reconciliations could remain private.
It is a fear acknowledged even by friends of the couple. In the aftermath of Harry?s book, a source close to the Sussexes conceded: ?They realise they?ve got to a place where private conversations and calls could be questioned if they?re going to be private.?Those fears are as acute as ever. After Tuesday?s private phone call was made public, a royal insider told The Daily Telegraph: ?The King and Queen worry that if stories about phone calls and private conversations make it into the public domain, they will be accused of leaking to the press, even if it?s obvious it didn?t come from them. They just think, ?It?s in the public domain, and public domain equals bad.? Even if this had been the most positive story in the world from the King?s point of view, it would still have generated anxiety for him.?
That anxiety is only heightened at the thought of how much private information could be stored and later unleashed, from a Christmas at Sandringham or summer sojourn at Balmoral. Harry has also accused his family and the Palace of leaking stories about him to the media, something the Palace denies. Trust, lacking on both sides, continues to be a sticking point.
After last week?s phone call, it emerged that father and son have planned to speak again this week. If that call happens, the Sussexes may be hoping for that elusive invitation to come and stay. Charles will be hoping for another feature elusive from his relationship with the Sussexes ? total privacy.

*IF* there was such an invite from Charles to the Sussex's, would this then be a way to gather more info on the royal family for future books, TV interviews and such?  Just how in the world would anyone ever *trust* the Sussex's again is beyond me.  After how Harry called Camilla names and treated Catherine does anyone really think there will be a *Merry Christmas* get to gather.....for the Sussex's this is all about *info* on the royal family and *money* again.......Are the Sussex's broke now, do they need Bank of Dad to bail them out?   There is way more to this then just a *let's forgive the past* family gathering. 

@Nightowl - If the Sussexes are truly concerned about security , then I don't believe they'd want to participate in Christmas at Sandringham this year with the very public walk to and from church. If they  still wanted to come, then maybe it would be better to visit immediately after Christmas when Camilla has left to be with her family but prior to when Charles goes to Scotland for Hogmanay (New Years.) A short visit with Charles, would likely be best for all involved IMHO. Archie and Lilibet get to spend time with their grandfather and get to know the area where Harry's family has been associated for decades. Afterwards, perhaps they could go meet up with the Brooksbanks. The other family members don't need to be involved unless they want to be.

It would be nice for Charles and Thomas to be with their children and grandchildren.

Why use the grandchildren to make up with the royal family?  These are small children who don't even know the royal family through no fault of their own.  And it is not about the holidays with small grandchildren either.   This is about Harry and Meghan losing their final place in the royal family which maybe they are finally understanding what they did.  They NEED to keep reference with the royal family as a way to make money and keep themselves in the news of the world, nothing else. They *NEED* the royal family and the royal family *DOES NOT NEED* them as they are finding out.  When a person NEEDS someone in their life if is not out of love for anyone, it is them feeling worthless until they are back in the royal family, they see the royal family as a drug they *need* to keep revelant. 

Quote from: wannable on November 19, 2023, 04:17:42 PM
It would be nice for Charles and Thomas to be with their children and grandchildren.

Meghan will never make up with her family, none of them.  They are not royal enough for her, she is an unforgiving person as we have all seen expect when she gets what she wants out of someone.....hard as steel in dealing with people in her life.  And that will even go for Harry someday.....he has no idea who she is really, he went with his heart and lust  regardling her and still does.  In some ways in looking at her I see the Queen Mom in her...tough and unforgiving!  And sometimes that is good in a person and also bad! We all need to be tough at times in certain situations of our lives...this I know all to well. A double edge sword at times.....

Quote from: Nightowl on November 19, 2023, 06:45:31 PM
Why use the grandchildren to make up with the royal family?  These are small children who don't even know the royal family through no fault of their own.  And it is not about the holidays with small grandchildren either.   This is about Harry and Meghan losing their final place in the royal family which maybe they are finally understanding what they did.  They NEED to keep reference with the royal family as a way to make money and keep themselves in the news of the world, nothing else. They *NEED* the royal family and the royal family *DOES NOT NEED* them as they are finding out.  When a person NEEDS someone in their life if is not out of love for anyone, it is them feeling worthless until they are back in the royal family, they see the royal family as a drug they *need* to keep revelant. 

I personally believe that Archie and Lilibet should have a relationship with their paternal grandfather. Ideally I would like to see them have a relationship with their Wales relatives, but that might not happen any time soon. Not sure if they'll have one with their step-grandmother Camilla anytime soon.

I get that about relationships yet these are very small babies, they have no idea who is who.  This all is on Harry and Meghan and all the lies and all the drama and trouble they have caused for the entire world to see and read.  Harry and Meghan both have cause such horrific damage to the royal family, monarchy and country with their lies.....saying *sorry* won't work this time around either.  How can anyone in the royal family have a peaceful holiday with watching, worrying  about every word out of someone's mouth that won't be reported by Harry or Meghan to someone in the media or another author......that will *now* always be on the minds of every member of the royal family that speaks to them....that is *a given* and cause by Harry and Meghan regardless of what they say or even sign as a contract  to not repeat anything.......it all boils down to one word now with them......TRUST....They broke that Trust for some I really don't think there is any turning back for them to ever be back in the royal family again.........and that is *All on them by their actions, behavior, choices and decisions only*. Sad yet very true!

phil dampier
@phildampier
If #HarryandMeghan want to play happy families why don't they go and see her dad? He's just down the road.

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Several friends to Harry and Meghan said today (several articles in the web) that they felt the request to attend (and the phone call) is because they need and are keen - the public to  see a thawing of their relationship with the BRF and do not have any new commercial contracts. They conceded that Meghan (and Harry, after marriage) had been invited since Chrsitmas 2017 yearly to Sandringham and Balmoral and failed to go, hence it does look bad.

A famous upmarket department store for A listers in California called Kitson displays in their window every year during the holiday - Christmas season what they think are celeb hypocrites.

Harry and Meghan made it.

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Kitson is an upmarket department store chain whose head store is on Robertson Boulevard in Los Angeles, California. This store is a well known place for celebrity spotting, especially by paparazzi.


Kitson is a pop culture brand that was established in 2000 on Robertson Boulevard in Los Angeles, California. Kitson has a kids store called Kitson Kids on Robertson and has outposts in Beverly Hills and the Pacific Palisades.

The store carries a selection of clothing for adults and children as well as an assortment of gifts, toys, books, and art.

Kitson has been featured in the movie The Ring Bling and Entourage. The store's 2020 holiday window displays purporting to call out hypocritical actions by political figures such as Gavin Newsom, Nancy Pelosi, Eric Garcetti as well as others all wearing Santa Hats went viral.

^ Since then, it's a yearly thing.

No X mention of the couple in his social media but it is great news the Sussexes family can actually spend any holidays at Althorp.

Yes, I bet there is plenty of privacy on the estate and this way Meghan will not have to roll down windows of her car when arriving as there will be no crowds to welcome them.  Spencer is not royal is he? I always thought of him as a peer, just because Diana married into the royal family does not mean that made the Spencer's royal. 

I only state based on the no dispute with the Spencer family the obvious. Holiday there. No recording device no spilling the beans to gayle Oprah or the highest bidder 🤷‍♀️

Nobody has said that Earl Spencer is royal, though like many other English aristos their is royal blood through Charles II and William III. And he visited the US not the Sussexes going to Althorp. Nobody suggested that. Eugenie and Jack went to visit them as well.

Did I actually say Earl Spencer was royal?...NO, so please don't put words in my mouth/comment that were not there........I just ask a question!

My comment about Althorp has to do with 'good' relationships tied to the latest PR moves from the Sussex camp. So it would be logical to get an invitation to spend Christmas where they are liked, be it the Spencer family or the Brooksbanks. 

What is illogical of the PR (WME with their client approval) to notify the media that they have not received an invitation to Sandringham, when there is a history of both the Sussexes trashing the family, calling them racist but still wanting the association or begging for the invite (Tom Sykes, The Daily Beast latest article).  Half of the RR's believe there was a call, the other half have said no call, just a PR maneuver there was a call.  BP will not respond, they will apparently let the couple profit or hang themselves. Ultimately, a fast buck, but the end result is instability as we have seen with their commercial contracts. The couple so far need to sell anything to do with Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine, if it is not any of these 4 people - it is not sellable.  Anything not associated with the 4 is not sellable. The couple HAVE tried to make moneys without the association - Pearl failed, Podcast grifters and made redundant, Netflix Invictus failed, Netfilx purchased leaders failed....get the drift.

''The problem with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle is that no one trusts them. If they can lie about Harry's family, then what could they do to us? Americans are all about family and their behaviour doesn't sit well with many people''

The Hollywood Executive cliam
The British Prince
@Freedom16356531

Fresh a few minutes ago, replicated by NYPost, Talk TV, Marca. 

ETA: I'll leave it to our Sara to post all the royal article links she can post. There is just too many, there is a royal watcher who just this month of November has counted over 200 articles from the Sussex camp be it PR fluff or PR accusation which will later be used by the couple depending on each result.

If KC ever accepts Henry back, or Megan ( rumor is has no intent of ever going back to ENGLAND) , then he is a fool and deserves what he gets.
Yes he is the father and this is his son and he sees Harry as a newborn, baby, school boy, teen, adult,  etc.

I think William is consistent and at peace in his decision to not see nor reach out , communicate to Henry. Omid?s book has good knives a Catherine.

No meeting of children, nonsense. Next rumor out will be the Wales children are racist and treated Lili n Arch horribly.

In these type of family situations, it is best for peace sake, to stay the distance. Any talk is in front of witnesses and us cordial, sterile, formal. Ex. Any calls to KC,  via his staff in front of his staff.

In time, truth rises. BRF have locked up and have begun to get rebuilt by the people of their country.
In time, my prediction, Meagan is going to leave Harry the hapless dummy, a real doofus.
Henr should then , a broken man, be set up in a place by BRF and no BRF duties, none of any of that. Just le him have a place to leave. Just live his life quietly.

Omid claims Princess Anne convinced Charles to kick the couple out of Frogmore, Omid claims Harry said 'Dad don't you want to see your grandchildren'?

Emotional blackmail?! So basically Omid is stating that Harry emotionally blackmailed his dad?! When in Frogmore, the children weren't seen much by H own family  - not a handful of times. And I'm being generous, because apparently only once before fleeing to Canada.

Charles has multiple times since Megxit kept an open invitation (the late Queen Elizabeth II too, including giving them 2 years to think about their situation)  to the couple pointing out to bring the children. The excuses range from security, to Archie's birthday, to Invictus to Portugal, to NYC to the Caribbean. Now Omid claims Meghan said NO to the Coronation - not because of version 1.0 Archie's birthday, but 2.0 her children were not included in the procession. This version 2.0 is an issue - they are not half in half out. They are not working royals, there children are not being prepared to be royals.  It is a bunch of garbage.

1. I really wish we could get over Meghan rolling down her car window. People waving and she rolled down to wave so they could see her. They wanted to see her. She can have security concerns (and Harry is the person who actually mentions and speaks about security) but Meghan! The witch! Daring to roll down the window and wave at people. It's honestly a tired bashing point at Meghan for waving at people.

2. If the the word hadn't been put out that an invination was rejected then word wouldn't have needed to be put out that one wasn't received.

3. The interest in Harry and Meghan without the royals are there. If the SEO is anything to go by. The others can only make it in the ranking if they're attached to the Sussexs. And even with the royals, the 'good and proper' ones, have failed the match the numbers when it comes to fits of their projects, support for their projects and measurable impact of those projects. And they're the ones who people are supposed who the Sussex's are latching onto for profit. The Podcast was still award winning, it did numbers and did great even with them not being with Spotfity anymore. But if that was admitted, then you wouldn't be able to call that a failure. The non-sussex doc's didn't do the same numbers but you'd only have the expectation because one wants to say they failed. As if two docs would the same numbers as the Harry & Meghan one. Not realistic. Mention Pearl but don't mention that other animations projects also got cut. Because if you said that, then you wouldn't be able to mention it was a Netflix budget thing. Don't mention that despite that, Netflix signed with Archewell Productions for a rom-com and have said they're happy with the work they put out with the Sussex's and looked forward to future projects. Also not mentioned that the man who called them a grifter also tried to sign Meghan and she rejected that offer. But hey, as long as we can talk down about them and ignore their achievements right?

3. New to me photos of Meghan as a kid.


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Well you know Meghan is never allowed to do anything spontaneous. Roll a window down, open her own car door, write to the father who went running off to the tabloids with her letter. It was and is all calculated, according to her detractors. Just wallow in the hat*red and negativity and criticism.

Cute childhood pictures. I have a feeling I have seen the top one before but not the others.

Thank you for sharing the pictures, she looked like a happy child thanks to bread winner Lighting Director and three trophy Emmy winner Thomas Markle.  Sadly, she turned on him stating Meghan Markle's claims she lived on USD 5 Sizzler salad as a child and her family was poor.

They weren't poor, the US standard of living index indicates that Thomas Markle household is middle class.

All the best of luck in any future endeavours. Also ^^ your point 1. I agree there is nothing wrong with opening the car window to wave at the public departing the Trooping of the Colour, I think the public were quite taken aback because an hour before she was photographed shushing children she wasn't nor will ever be close too. 2. I disagree, officially the Sussex spokesperson and team (WMA) sent a note to certain group of media oultets about a. phone call b. Sandringham Christmas invitation - here I commented they should spend Christmas with people who like them, Spencer or Brooksbank family. 3. Nice unseen photos with my Thomas mention, which is only correct to do so.

Quote from: Curryong on December 02, 2023, 05:08:52 AM
Well you know Meghan is never allowed to do anything spontaneous. Roll a window down, open her own car door, write to the father who went running off to the tabloids with her letter. It was and is all calculated, according to her detractors. Just wallow in the hat*red and negativity and criticism.

Cute childhood pictures. I have a feeling I have seen the top one before but not the others.

Exactly! She?s not allowed to let the people wanting to see her, see her. And we can all ignore the fact that the crowd wanted to see her. But yes, Meghan the witch for for darting to roll down.

I think the second one, looks like it was screen shot from a video.

And off topic ish, but the way the media wants H&M to come and cover for the British royals. Aha. If they do, I think Meghan and Harry should use the template the royals used when Archie was called a chimp, along other things. They should follow in the footsteps of the royals when it comes to defending family members when nasty things are said (and what?s been said isn?t nasty but factual. People who said Meghan wasn?t close enough to talk about baby brains, she found herself close enough to talk about another child?s skin color.)

But the royals have the perfect template of defending like this. Silence. If they couldn?t say anything when the BBC made a sketch darling Meghans skin, calling her tailor trash who wanted to stab Kate. They can deal with this royal racist row themselves. Chris Ship, Dan and other reporters confirmed they knew for months who said it (after crying that it was never said) and now the pivot is ?oh it wasn?t that bad? and for that thought alone, Meghan needs not say anything.

If they couldn?t reflect why a woman facing racial abuse wouldn?t like her child?s skin tone being talked about, then they don?t deserve that lady turning around and saving them.

It?s laughable.

All public figures need the media - their brand, the polls and the irrelevancy as noted by broadsheets in both sides of the pond is waning. The 101 of celeb decline is being reported because it is a phenomenon - it is interesting to watch/read.

Quote from: wannable on December 02, 2023, 02:06:48 PM
Thank you for sharing the pictures, she looked like a happy child thanks to bread winner Lighting Director and three trophy Emmy winner Thomas Markle.  Sadly, she turned on him stating Meghan Markle's claims she lived on USD 5 Sizzler salad as a child and her family was poor.

They weren't poor, the US standard of living index indicates that Thomas Markle household is middle class.

All the best of luck in any future endeavours. Also ^^ your point 1. I agree there is nothing wrong with opening the car window to wave at the public departing the Trooping of the Colour, I think the public were quite taken aback because an hour before she was photographed shushing children she wasn't nor will ever be close too. 2. I disagree, officially the Sussex spokesperson and team (WMA) sent a note to certain group of media oultets about a. phone call b. Sandringham Christmas invitation - here I commented they should spend Christmas with people who like them, Spencer or Brooksbank family. 3. Nice unseen photos with my Thomas mention, which is only correct to do so.

Thomas wasn?t the only person taking care of her, her mother was as well.

And that?s all I?m going to address. You trying to erase her mother taking care of her from life makes the entire thing you posted a lie, wrong and pointless and worthless. She never said they were poor, Thomas had a habit of traveling to other countries, buying drugs and cheating on Doria who took care of HIS mother.

Thomas wasn?t rolling in money to where to Meghan could cost to through life.

Once you come to grips with that, then an actual talk to could be had. Maybe, if Thomas cared more about walking his daughter down the aisle than working with a paper that had been openly racist to her, there could be a relationship.


And I once again, you’re trying to paint Meghan as some bad guy. The pictures of Meghan ‘shushing’ clearly shows that all kids were smiling and laughing.  But yes, you can’t demonize Meghan if you tell the truth. Once again, there is an anti-Sussex thread you continue to demonize her in and spread lies about her. Please allow the forum for those who like them (named Team Sussex, if you missed it) have this space as it was intended to celebrate and talk positively about them without lies about Meghan or painting her as a witch (implying that she was doing something wrong / being mean by playfully shushing kids who were quit openly and happy being around her as the pictures showed, not suggested)

The mother was absent for many years.  She has not sued any author for stating a fact that Samantha and Thomas Jr were taking care indoors of Meghan, whilst the mom was getting stoned outdoors/garden with her friends.


The mother wedding day forward is a convenient card tied to the race scheming. Sources: Candice Owens, Nana Akua


^ Disclaimer: I do not work for the media, the media pulse reports what they see - the comment section is absolute. Yes it brings clicks, but as previously said ALL public figures need the media for their own publicity, PR, marketing. Perhaps standing in the window without shushing would have been seen by the 'public pulse' in a much better light.

The lies about Thomas Markle snr being the responsible parent ignores the DM tabloid interview with his son Thomas jnr  in which he explicitly went into issues in which his father used drugs (and I do not mean grass but other drugs used a lot on film and TV  sets at the time) and also that Thomas snr brought paid women into the house at the time when he was a teenager. There was not a good relationship between the two Thomases at the time but I doubt that was made up!

Claims of Meghan's father Thomas Markle senior's past of *** use wild parties and Playboy clubs | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6313385/Claims-Meghans-father-Thomas-Markle-seniors-past-***-use-wild-parties-Playboy-clubs.html)


And, considering the vast age gap (17 years) between Samantha and Meghan, the fact that Meghan?s parents separated when Meghan was two, and that Samantha was married and in another State by the time she was in her early twenties (her children by this first marriage were the ones later looked after by Samantha?s mother Rosalind) it is hardly likely that Samantha would be travelling from another State to look after Meghan, a half-sister she has never been fond of, to say the least! So no more reprinted lies please, especially from people on the Internet showing their ignorance of Samantha Markle?s first marriage.

Earl Hale & Samantha Markle Grant Relationship, Children, Joint Family Tree & History - FameChain (https://www.famechain.com/family-tree/28856/earl-hale/samantha-markle-grant)

Samantha married Earl Hale in 1984. She was nineteen or twenty, probably the former. Their elder child Ashleigh, who has spoken about being brought up by her grandmother and was in the Netflix documentary, is 38 and an immigration lawyer. There were two children of the Hale marriage, with a son, Christopher Hale.

Meghan is 42. So when was Samantha doing all this baby sitting for her half sister, considering Samantha was out of the Markle household by the time her sister was two? Hardly bringing Meghan up for twelve years as has been suggested on the Internet. Especially as she later married a Scott Rasmussen and produced Noelle, who has also spoken in less than flattering terms about her mother Samantha.

The childhood photos of Meghan are very cute.

They are in trouble and are struggling to find the best way forward, the source stressed. Harry has been trying to reach out to his family of late but doesnt seem to be getting anywhere. He appears to have well and truly burned those bridges.

The source concludes that the King is quite reluctant to meet with Harry at the moment. There is very little trust there which is understandable, the source said. ?If there will be a meeting, it will have to be done properly with aides and officials present, and everything documented with minutes taken.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle convinced Royal Family behind vendetta blocking brand deals | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1845279/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-family)

Oh yes, that tabloid mascot of verified info, the Express, is at it again I see. And as often happens, their journos contradicting themselves every five minutes, as they did about Harry being invited/attending the Coronation and the King?s birthday. Keeping up their usual BS, lol!

Quote from: wannable on December 14, 2023, 08:19:40 PM
They are in trouble and are struggling to find the best way forward, the source stressed. Harry has been trying to reach out to his family of late but doesnt seem to be getting anywhere. He appears to have well and truly burned those bridges.

The source concludes that the King is quite reluctant to meet with Harry at the moment. There is very little trust there which is understandable, the source said. ?If there will be a meeting, it will have to be done properly with aides and officials present, and everything documented with minutes taken.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle convinced Royal Family behind vendetta blocking brand deals | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1845279/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-family)

If there is any meeting, I would certainly hope that there would be witnesses and everything documented.  There can't be any trust.  Sadly, it has come to that with Harry and Meghan. 

Can't blame the royal family for not wanting anything to do with Harry and Meghan ever, that saying comes to mind....*You reap what you sow* and that means what you put out to the world to see how you are as a human being, does and will come back you.  As my beloved sister would tell me all the time.  And as  someone else where said to me about her, Osipi was a very wise woman.

Harry and Meghan have more than burnt bridges with the royal family, they destroyed all the TRUST and Love between them with their brutal attacks on them which was constant for the last 4 years.....just what the hell do they expect, a warm welcome with wine and cheese?  I say let them GO, lock the doors and turn off the phones and put the drawbridges up for all this wanting to come back is for one reason only, MONEY and making people in high places see them as back with the family to make MONEY.......Their God is MONEY and attention with fame. Oh their egos are suffering right now........their fault, their choice and their decisions made their lives the way they are now.

As I said about these half truth articles in reference to the Sussexes, it is not only the British media, it's Forbes, NYPost too.

Netflix apparently told the couple they only want a second season of their reality show to keep up with their contract. Netflix doesn't want anything else. The reality show is to be based on 2023 from Spare to Hertz and all the drama they created and lived.

January there will be a lot of cuts/what stays what goes (this info is me from a source I know)

Yep, just another way to remain revelant and get your face in the news for everyone to see.  Nothing new here as this is typical of them as after all some in the royal family are in the news so the Sussex's have to be also.

Awkward moment Prince Harry and Meghan Markle appear to hesitate as they're shown to their seats several rows back at glitzy One Love: Bob Marley (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13009327/Awkward-moment-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-appear-hesitate-theyre-shown-seats-rows-glitzy-One-Love-Bob-Marley-screening-Jamaica.html)

EXCLUSIVE: Judge demands Biden's DHS must hand over Prince Harry's immigration papers so he can decide whether to release them publicly -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13170281/Judge-demands-DHS-Prince-Harrys-immigration-papers-decide-release.html

I read this supposed news on a US outlet absolutely days ago! It's certainly not new!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13173189/carl-nichols-prince-harry-judge-trump.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-harry-suffers-fresh-court-32301736

https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/26489287/prince-harry-immigration-visa-court-case/

https://www.the-sun.com/royals/10607882/prince-harry-news-visa-latest/amp/

Yes, I saw the Visa issue Harry is facing.

Prince Harry 'enjoys ski trip with Kris Jenner's boyfriend', as he continues to build Hollywood connections:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-harry-enjoys-ski-trip-32368349.amp

Biden administration asks for DELAY handing over details of Prince Harry's immigration papers to a judge because 'searching' for them has taken 'longer than expected':

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13210827/prince-harry-visa-immigration-drugs-court-heritage.html

Or maybe it's the contents of the immigration papers they don't want the public to see

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on March 18, 2024, 09:23:57 PMBiden administration asks for DELAY handing over details of Prince Harry's immigration papers to a judge because 'searching' for them has taken 'longer than expected':

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13210827/prince-harry-visa-immigration-drugs-court-heritage.html

Or maybe it's the contents of the immigration papers they don't want the public to see

I wonder what is in his papers.

Prince Harry's name has been mentioned in court documents linked to the $30million (£24million) lawsuit that has been filed against rapper Sean Diddy Combs - but the Duke of Sussex has not been accused of any wrongdoing -

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-harry-dragged-sean-diddy-32442489

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on March 27, 2024, 08:04:59 AMPrince Harry's name has been mentioned in court documents linked to the $30million (£24million) lawsuit that has been filed against rapper Sean Diddy Combs - but the Duke of Sussex has not been accused of any wrongdoing -

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-harry-dragged-sean-diddy-32442489

Yes and the only time Harry (and William) were seen anywhere in the vicinity of P Diddy are photos taken in 2007, at an after-party following the Diana memorial concert at Wembley. P Diddy was a performer and has seemingly been boasting about it ever since.

If there had been anything at all to this then the Enquirer, Radar, the Star and other slimy outlets would have come up with recent photos of the two of them together, by now, especially as Comb's accuser has only been friendly with him for about two years. However, I'm sure SM are building nice satisfying (to them) BS links with Harry as a second Andrew.

William wasn't mentioned in the lawsuit, Harry was.

Yes, and as I pointed out, the only photographic evidence of Harry (and his brother) being seen anywhere near P Diddy was in 2007. There was no need for the plaintiff to mention Prince Harry at all, or people like Mariah Carey, whom Combs was photographed with at a function years ago. She also appears in these documents.

The former royal aide dubbed 'Samantha the Panther' who worked as Harry and Meghan's private secretary has claimed that her replacement quit during the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's trip to Africa.

Samantha Cohen served as Queen Elizabeth's press secretary for 17 years and then as her assistant and private secretary.

She stepped away from working for the Royal household in 2019 after a stint as the private secretary to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex - a job she took on at the request of the Queen.

Ms Cohen resigned after being 'treated harshly' and likening the job to 'working with teenagers', according to historian Valentine Low in his book Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown.

In an interview with Australian outlet the Herald Sun, she claimed that she stayed in her role three times as long as she had originally planned because officials struggled to find a replacement for her.

When a new private secretary was found, they quit during Harry and Meghan's tour of Africa in 2019, Ms Cohen claimed.

She said: 'I was only supposed to stay for six months but stayed for 18 – we couldn't find a replacement for me and when we did we took them on tour to Africa with Harry and Meghan to show them the ropes but they left as well while in Africa.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13313579/Samantha-Cohen-Harry-Meghan-Africa-tour.html