Princess Beatrice, Eduardo Mapelli Mozzi and Family General Chat

amabel · March 18, 2019, 09:46:53 PM

Quote from: sandy on March 18, 2019, 08:18:14 PM
I'm not obliged to get into a school room with you where I have to answer an essay question. Look it up yourself. Jack is not an aristo. Period.

I Ddont think I would agree.. He is descended from Thomas Coke, earl of Leicester and it seems there is a baronetcy in his family.. plus he has relatives who had court positons

Curryong · March 18, 2019, 10:08:02 PM

Jack isn't an aristocrat in the strict sense of the word as he doesn't have a title, but the Brooksbanks certainly have aristo and upperclass connections.

amabel · March 18, 2019, 10:10:48 PM

An aristocrat does not have to have a title... that is a member of the Nobility... Jack seems ot have "well bred" relatives and ancestors who had titles, and jobs at court...

sandy · March 18, 2019, 10:18:19 PM

Jack is not an aristo. Having aristo "connections" is not the same as being an aristo. I don't get the push to "create" this man as an aristo. In the US there are countless people with aristo connections it is no rarity.

Curryong · March 18, 2019, 10:31:04 PM

Definition of aristocracy.

Aristocracy | Define Aristocracy at Dictionary.com

I agree hat Jack has upper class relatives and comes from the aristocracy, at least on the paternal side. However, IMO he isn't an aristocrat himself. He is from the upper classes. What 'special rank or position or privileges' does Jack hold?

TLLK · March 18, 2019, 10:50:13 PM

Quote from: jerry4 on March 18, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
I may be wrong, but if it's a pedigree, Jack and Edoardo really have more than Meghan and Kate.
From the little that I know both Jack and Edo are from the aristocracy. So much so that Kate second sources was not well accepted on some wheels and Meghan quite an American actress.
Not that it means anything, but here we will say that we are talking about cradle and in a society that counts a lot.

Sorry about my English :blowkiss:

:welcome:@jerry4. Your English is just fine. I hope you enjoy the discussion forum.

sandy · March 18, 2019, 11:24:40 PM

Quote from: Curryong on March 18, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
Definition of aristocracy.

Aristocracy | Define Aristocracy at Dictionary.com

I agree hat Jack has upper class relatives and comes from the aristocracy, at least on the paternal side. However, IMO he isn't an aristocrat himself. He is from the upper classes. What 'special rank or position or privileges' does Jack hold?

I don't know why the push to make the man an aristo. Jack worked at a "normal" job.

jerry4 · March 19, 2019, 05:27:28 AM

Quote from: TLLK on March 18, 2019, 10:50:13 PM
:welcome:@jerry4. Your English is just fine. I hope you enjoy the discussion forum.

Oh, thank you so much. :flower: :blowkiss:

I already thought I had made a mess with the post

amabel · March 19, 2019, 06:50:13 AM

Quote from: sandy on March 18, 2019, 11:24:40 PM
I don't know why the push to make the man an aristo. Jack worked at a "normal" job.

that does not make him "not an aristocrat". He is from a family which has titles, some of them have been courtiers...

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Quote from: Curryong on March 18, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
Definition of aristocracy.

Aristocracy | Define Aristocracy at Dictionary.com

I agree hat Jack has upper class relatives and comes from the aristocracy, at least on the paternal side. However, IMO he isn't an aristocrat himself. He is from the upper classes. What 'special rank or position or privileges' does Jack hold?

But there is no "special rank or privileges" now for the nobility.. though there was in days gone by. I would class someone as "upper class" and an aristocrat if they come from a family which has titles, or arms... and a certain level of wealth... usually wth some land in the family....

sandy · March 19, 2019, 12:43:29 PM

It seems to me when Eugenie and Jack married it was used in DM comments as a Meg bashing exercise. She was a "real blood Princess" and Jack was "superior" to Meghan. And now the reinvention of Jack as an "aristo" seems to be along these same lines. That WIll and Harry's brides were commoners and Jack is an aristo. So very bogus.

amabel · March 19, 2019, 12:56:46 PM

Quote from: sandy on March 19, 2019, 12:43:29 PM
It seems to me when Eugenie and Jack married it was used in DM comments as a Meg bashing exercise. She was a "real blood Princess" and Jack was "superior" to Meghan. And now the reinvention of Jack as an "aristo" seems to be along these same lines. That WIll and Harry's brides were commoners and Jack is an aristo. So very bogus.

Its hardly re invention.. since socially he would come under a definition of gentleman or aristocrat.. He is still legally a commoner. Kate and Meghan are middle class..
And Eugenie is royal.... so how can this be bashing Meghan

sandy · March 19, 2019, 07:44:38 PM

He's not an aristo amabel no matter how you slice it. He was referred to as a commoner in the articles about the engagement. Meghan is royal since she married Harry. Even though she is a "blood" Princess, Eugenie is not going to be doing royal duties.

amabel · March 19, 2019, 07:57:43 PM

Quote from: sandy on March 19, 2019, 07:44:38 PM
He's not an aristo amabel no matter how you slice it. He was referred to as a commoner in the articles about the engagement. Meghan is royal since she married Harry. Even though she is a "blood" Princess, Eugenie is not going to be doing royal duties.

yes of course he is a commoner. Unless he is a peer or royal he is a commoner.... But I would say he is from a gentry family, from what I've read, just as Sarah F is...
Meg and Kate are middle class and their royal status comes from their marriages

Princess Cassandra · March 24, 2019, 03:54:55 AM

When the news first broke that Bea was dating a man who had just left his fianc? I thought she was putting herself in a terrible position. But then I felt a lot better when I read that they had been friends for a long time...sometimes the best marriages happen between two good friends who subsequently fall in love. There's probably a lot we don't know about his engagement that went wrong, it still seems a bit strange! If he is a bit fickle, she would be wise not to jump into anything. Wouldn't want to see her hurt again.

sandy · March 24, 2019, 11:02:01 AM

Bea is a royal princess not just anyone. This man may have ambitions. And want to marry up. He did not treat his ex very well. I think Bea needs to do some thinking about this.

amabel · March 24, 2019, 11:18:56 AM

She's a big girl, Im sure she's able to look after herself...

sandy · March 24, 2019, 01:49:29 PM

I think there is some naivete in her. She stayed with Dave Clark for too long and apparently he was her only boyfriend.

amabel · March 24, 2019, 01:52:20 PM

Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2019, 01:49:29 PM
I think there is some naivete in her. She stayed with Dave Clark for too long and apparently he was her only boyfriend.

what she's over 30 and only 1 boyfriend?

sandy · March 24, 2019, 01:54:51 PM

Yes, she started dating Dave some time ago, she may have still been a teenager or just out of her teens. Dave did not want to marry her apparently and just strung her along. She should have broken things off and moved on. I think the new one seems to be an opportunist.

Curryong · March 24, 2019, 01:58:19 PM

Beatrice met Dave Clark when she was 17. They dated for ten years. But, boyfriend number one...

Princess Beatrice's ex Paolo Liuzzo charged with cocaine possession after crashing ?40,000 Audi as he skipped out on casino bill | Daily Mail Online

amabel · March 24, 2019, 02:06:34 PM

Quote from: Curryong on March 24, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
Beatrice met Dave Clark when she was 17. They dated for ten years. But, boyfriend number one...

Princess Beatrice's ex Paolo Liuzzo charged with *** possession after crashing ?40,000 Audi as he skipped out on casino bill | Daily Mail Online

oh boy.... yes Bea doesn't have much luck with men... by the sound of it. Then again if you go out on the town with your Mum and your Mum is Fergie.. well!!

oak_and_cedar · March 24, 2019, 02:43:23 PM

You know... I do wonder what Fergie thinks of this? She should advise her to rethink this romance in my opinion. She should take some time off and just be on her own a bit. It would do her good in my opinion.

wannable · March 24, 2019, 02:50:55 PM

I don't think the BRF are working or doing something to 'slow' down, their public outing at the official duty of a future POW then Queen, and then 1 week later photographed in NYC.

Edoardo is in the 'inner circle' for more than 10 years.

amabel · March 24, 2019, 03:10:51 PM

Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 24, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
You know... I do wonder what Fergie thinks of this? She should advise her to rethink this romance in my opinion. She should take some time off and just be on her own a bit. It would do her good in my opinion.

When does Fergie ever tink of anything....

wannable · March 24, 2019, 03:20:51 PM

Most aristos see this as normal, hence I doubt they will flinch/worry about Edoardo's past. They call it unconventional, rather than a middleclass 'worry'.

i.e. the latest alleged debacle between Kate and aristo Rose. The family and friends of aristo Rose, say her ways are unconventional; like taking a photo in her 20's bikini clad with a 40's dude is classified unconventional, a same picture of a commoner (Chelsy Davy) is headlined Sugar Daddy. :shrug: So its aristo set way of thinking versus middleclass 'worry'.