Charles and Diana who cheat first.

Queen Camilla · January 29, 2014, 05:47:55 AM

Charles by all accounts is truthful and doesn't know how to lie.
Diana by all accounts is a liar.

Hewitt said he started his affair with Diana in 1981 or 1982.
Diana said she was unfaith 4 or 5 years into the marriage.
Charles said he wasn't unfaithful until his marriage irretrievable broke down.
Camilla has not had her say. Words cannot be placed in her mouth by others.

There is no proof that Charles cheated first.

It is just hearsay.
Some believe Diana, a known liar.
Some believe Charles, a man who doesn't know how to lie.

Princessinwaiting · January 29, 2014, 07:02:28 AM

:goodpost:

With her lies diana not only ruined charles but her sons lives as well what a dramatic attention seeker

Eri · January 29, 2014, 09:03:18 AM

Here we go ... grabs popcorn ...

cinrit · January 29, 2014, 12:15:48 PM

Quote from: Queen Camilla on January 29, 2014, 05:47:55 AM
Hewitt said he started his affair with Diana in 1981 or 1982.

In 1981, before she married Charles, or after? In 1982, while she was pregnant with William? Okay..... :P

Cindy

Eri · January 29, 2014, 03:02:46 PM

I think it doesn't matter who cheated first they both cheated and that's the end of it no one is "better" than the other !!! :orchid: Di was just more attractive and a A class manipulator who knew how to play the press to destroy her husband and as a result the future of her own two children she was a mess !!! She played dirty , she manipulated the press in her favor and yes she LIED that to me takes away everything Chuck might have done to her because she "lowered" to his level if not lower ...

Mike · January 30, 2014, 04:14:12 AM

Quote from: Queen Camilla on January 29, 2014, 05:47:55 AMCharles by all accounts is truthful and doesn't know how to lie.

Are you sure? "By all accounts." Who's accounts?

QuoteHewitt said he started his affair with Diana in 1981 or 1982.

Oh, yeah. This was after he was paid to undergo hypnosis, wasn't it? How much was he paid? You can be sure he didn't do it for free.

Lothwen · January 30, 2014, 04:52:48 AM

[mod] I personally don't like the topic of this thread, so I won't be posting in here, but I will be coming in to check on all of you periodically. Keep it civil, and don't make it personal [/mod]

sandy · February 21, 2014, 12:35:06 AM

Quote from: Princessinwaiting on January 29, 2014, 07:02:28 AM
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With her lies diana not only ruined charles but her sons lives as well what a dramatic attention seeker

So Charles didn't lie? The housekeeper in the book said he covered his tracks and pretended to be home when he was off with Camilla. I saw a documentary and he had affairs with Kanga and Camilla and in the documentary Kanga's husband had to come home late so Charles could be entertained by his wife. If he were so above board and honest he should have told Diana the truth before they got engaged and told her that he wanted Camilla to be part of the arrangement. He wanted to marry Diana for expediency's sake (for the heirs). Charles got jealous of Diana when they first married and she was barely out of his teens. His jealousy was dysfunctional. What about Charles dramatic attention seeking doing that embarrassing interview in 1994.

So when did Charles become a saint?

sara8150 · February 21, 2014, 06:03:11 AM

Prince Charles is first! He been see Camilla lots and Diana don't like that whether wanted kept marriages or still chosen..

Prince Charles had interview in 1994 during Diana was in gallery about Camilla and he ADMIT he slept with Camilla before wedding to Diana in 1981 and numerous times on occasions..

Years later Diana got interview in 1995 about her affairs,bulimia and numerous mores and million viewers watch globes on Diana's interview include Londoners,USA and world watch that and it's so shock..

Reporters comments about wales's interview reviews and HM queen says heard ENOUGH! Comment on review and order divorce in tabloids but Diana was no longer member royal family as HRH she will known as Diana,princess of Wales or princess Diana in public..

Eri · February 21, 2014, 07:59:03 AM

Di did a book behind the people's who provided her luxurious life style back to destroy them back in 1992 ... that is what started it all !!! The Prince never said he had cheated first or when he started cheating ...

Trudie · February 21, 2014, 10:37:36 AM

What is the point of this thread? it appears the person who started it has all the answers already. Though I would like to know how it was possible for Diana to sleep with Hewitt in the period before her wedding and then being pregnant and doing all the engagements and appearances she did with Charles including tours? While not even meeting the man until after Harry was born?.

sandy · February 22, 2014, 12:27:01 AM

Quote from: Eri on February 21, 2014, 07:59:03 AM
Di did a book behind the people's who provided her luxurious life style back to destroy them back in 1992 ... that is what started it all !!! The Prince never said he had cheated first or when he started cheating ...

Diana HAD a luxurious lifestyle, she was from a titled family who were not exactly poverty stricken. She had a trust find that enabled her to buy a flat in London when she was 18. Sometimes luxurious lifestyles don't matter when a person is living in an impossible situation with an emotionally abusive husband and there are witnesses to how Charles would put down Diana. Charles was a taker not a giver and refused to give up his mistress. Who needs living with a dolt like that no matter how many "luxuries" are involved. And you don't think Charles showed destructive behavior being emotionally abusive to his wife and hanging on to a greedy self serving mistress. I think Camilla loved the luxuries that Charles bought her and without the perks and $$ he offered her she would not have given him the right time.

FanDianaFancy · March 11, 2014, 06:41:38 PM

Good God, QueenCamilla and Eri, can you guys give it a rest with your biased opinions.
it is the same thing everything.

We got it!
You are pro Charles/Camilla. Anti Diana.

Any negative about her, you take as truth. We got it the first hundred times you both have posted.

I will not point errors such as 1981? Really? Hewitt, a cad...did he say that? How low and how foolish and how uncreditable is he?

Many of us, Diana fans, do NOT take anything positive written about her as truth and any crap written about Charles and Camilla as truth.

PD is dead and has been over 1`5 years now.

Old story. Old stuf. Everything has revealed. There is really no new news about PC,PD and Camilla.
Fact will always be that camilla was always there per PC need, want, encouragement.
You guys , and I won't cannot pin point exactly where, but you ahve been off on many things.
You should read. Learn. try to understnad how their world worked. They system.
I am not syaing it is right or wrong but just how it was and PC was the last of the heirs with the mistress.of course, his father had affairs so he sort of grew up in that atmosphere.

Look up Alice Kreppel. Start there. From there you can google English mistresses.
Fascinating of their rank. Place. Reason. Perks from laying on their backs and be descret.
From Camilla on back, fascinating.

As I have posted before , Diana was young, foolish, wanted her husband to be hers, wanted a real family which she never had. She was from the rank and file, but did not know how to play the game. She was of another generation. She had no older woman of the rank and file to advise her as to how to handle the situation. She wanted it all and all hers as in having her legal husband be hers and have a real marriage and family life. THing is, she did not know who she married. What made him tick. How to work it and handle the situation.

Simply put, she should have bedded PC after wedding him to have 2-3 kids, heir and two extra spares as women in her position had done for centuries. Though of the rank and file, she, like you guys, did not seem to know histroy of the BRF and rank adn file even though she was part of it. too bad she never,I guess, never studied the story and life of Alice Kreppel. Talk about history repeating itself with Camila and PC. Alice Kreppel adn Cmailla's ancestors must be thrilled on the other side of how she got them back in the rank and file at the highest place of the nobility. Diana should have studied, been advised...
find a lover amoung her rank and file to call her own. Make her own life as PC and C had done. Own friends of the rank and file as protetors as Pc and C had. Safe houses too. Romance is nice. Let PC and C be. Maybe it would have played itself out and over by late 1980's and she would be alive today..maybe. Married to PC...perhaps. In her place. Maybe they would have found each other.

It is all, waht it was and is now.
Sad. Sad that she died as her final ending. The final chapter.
After that, the rest is history.
It is very interesting. As people have said, you could not have written a good novel like this. Shakespeare could not have written a story with so many plots,twists, etc.

Eri · March 11, 2014, 07:07:24 PM

^ And what did she do to have her husband all for herself and have a stable family life trying to kill herself in front of him because he was on the phone , painting books behind his back to destroy him , lie , cheat didn't help would you agree? Di herself said she had 50% to be blamed for the marriage failing!!!

FanDianaFancy · March 11, 2014, 07:56:23 PM

Yes, PD did say she was 50% blame and for anyone, that seems fair in ruined marriage.
She also said there were three of them in marriage and it was a boit crowded. Seems ttrue too. Many marriages break up when the girl does not leave her mother or the guy does not leave hsi mother. Many mothers have ruined their kids marriage by being all in . Of course, this is by request, with encouragement, a need and want by thier sons or daughters.

Likewise, PC NEVER gave up his closer than close and at least menatlly, eomitonaly, convenient friendship with Camilla. NEER. The marriage never had a chance. PC never gace it a chance.
PD , an immature chid-woman then, throwing herself ,crying, fighting, trying, spying on PC, going after him to be hers, was NOT the answer. Like I said, and I am not, NOT upholding affairs, being with a married amn, but PD, even though from the rank adn file, went about it all WRONG!! She had neither the tools, age, knowledge, sense of self, no elder femal figure to guide her, tell her what to do in their world.
Instead of reading Barbara Cartland romance novels, she should have read history on her world , rank and file of the nobility, her ancestors, her world.
PD held all the cards as the legal wife and face of the monrachy adn mother of the princeses.

She should paraded her love for PC in the press adn looked always adoring at him, and behind the scene given him permission to be with Camilla. Find a man of her own from the rank and file and call it a life in private. Fight fire with fire as the saying goes.

The end, it is , was sad, unbelievable still,that she died as she did. Death ends the story.

If she were alive, still,PC and C would have married. But PD would be there. Alive. Showing up in her sons' lives. Being there to enjoy them.
She would ahve won the war and Camilla would have won the battle.

As it is, Camilla, won it all. Won it by default. Great luck befall Camilla. Some people are just lucky, yet we make our choices good and bad and we all have results of those choices. Yes, Diana made huge mistakes by not taking a security team .Not thinking. Not having good advisors. Real advisors.

It is all sad and always will about her dying dying as she did.
It set everything else and everyone in motion for their lives. Life is like that. Some things , others choices, ours, can set some things .

Eri · March 11, 2014, 08:20:28 PM

^ The biggest mistake Di made is marry a man who she knew loved another woman to the point at her wedding she dramatically looked at Camilla (she knew what was up) and think it would all be alright and have fits when she found out the hard truth ... but I wouldn't credit Cam with all the fault of the marriage falling apart the ones who were married to each other were Chuck and Di ...

sandy · March 13, 2014, 02:57:42 PM

Eri, do you honestly think Prince Charles told Lady Diana when he proposed that he loved another woman? Neither Charles nor Diana claimed this so it simply is not true.

It's the old story, the woman "asked for it"when a man lies to her.

Diana told Morton she thought C and C were "over" at the time of the marriage and she thought Charles was honorable and would be faithful to her and truly give up Camilla.

And you think Camilla had nothing to do with their marriage issues? Then I have a bridge to sell you. The woman sent Charles little gifts on his honeymoon, that should give you some clue.

Limabeany · March 13, 2014, 03:00:31 PM

Quote from: Eri on March 11, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
^ The biggest mistake Di made is marry a man who she knew loved another woman to the point at her wedding she dramatically looked at Camilla (she knew what was up) and think it would all be alright and have fits when she found out the hard truth ... but I wouldn't credit Cam with all the fault of the marriage falling apart the ones who were married to each other were Chuck and Di ...

Diana was 19 and Charles and Camilla were old lovers in their 30s. I credit Camilla and Charles with duping a very young 19 year old.

Mar · March 13, 2014, 03:23:41 PM

Age? really, that can't be the whole of it

the way I see it is that Charles wanted his marriage to work and had Camilla's blessing, but Diana was to naive (not because of her age) to actually think she was going to have a fairy tale life with an adoring husband by her side, but Charles' love is himself so he was focusing on himself the same way he has always done ( and Camilla knows this, accept it, and even likes) so, Diana turned out to be too demanding and pushy, so that drove Charles away from her, because let's face it, you are not going to convince a prince, a spoiled prince that he stops acting like so, even if he is in his 30's and you wish him to settle down: not going to happen.

So it was only natural that he went looking for Camilla again, since she pleases him 100%

fair to Diana and the kids? NO, but that's the way it IS

I expect my husband to behave like a man, but if my husband has been a spoiled Crown prince all his life, I wouldn't count on it.

If Diana hadn't been so demanding, MAYBE they would still be married today

Princessinwaiting · March 13, 2014, 03:37:24 PM

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But I would say there is more to it than that , Diana was 19 ..so? Still an adult .what if Camilla had been 19 and diana in her 30 ' s the situation would still be Saint diana lol I feel she was too attention seeking and pushy a lot of friends have said the same thing heck even some biographers have I think she had certain mental problems that also led charles away from her .

Mike · March 13, 2014, 04:03:01 PM

Nothing new here, but . . .

Diana read a lot of romance novels and probably developed an unreasonable expectation of marriage with her fantasy boyfriend, Prince Charles. She had a crush on him since her early teens and thought he was "Mister Perfect." He was Prince of Wales, how could he be anything different?

Some might say because of her teenage emotions and expectations she walked into her own minefield. The subsequent actions of Charles and Camilla ensured she got hurt. As Sarah Bradford put it, "Basically, the cause of Diana's affliction was not only post-natal depression after the birth of William, but her early realization that Charles did not truly love her and that this marriage in which she had invested so much hope could never approximate to her romantic dreams."

Mar · March 13, 2014, 04:09:49 PM

Princessinwaiting let's prepare for all the bashing from the Diana fans :hide:

I agree with you Mike

Eri · March 13, 2014, 04:22:58 PM

Apart from the fact she married when she was 20 if she was old enough to marry him she was old enough to handle him ... her greedy family didn't think she was too young when they threw her at him ...

Mar · March 13, 2014, 04:43:43 PM

true, very true

sandy · March 13, 2014, 04:53:05 PM

Quote from: Eri on March 13, 2014, 04:22:58 PM
Apart from the fact she married when she was 20 if she was old enough to marry him she was old enough to handle him ... her greedy family didn't think she was too young when they threw her at him ...

Oh yes, a 20 year old can outmaneuver two thirty somethings, both who have been around the block quite a few times. In your dreams. Diana did not have the experience C and C had so no, it was no level playing field.

Nobody "threw" Diana to him. Charles willingly, of his own free will courted her, proposed to her, and marry her. Honestly to defend Charles he is made to look like a helpless child when he was a grown man. More free passes for Charles.

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Quote from: Princessinwaiting on March 13, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
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But I would say there is more to it than that , Diana was 19 ..so? Still an adult .what if Camilla had been 19 and diana in her 30 ' s the situation would still be Saint diana lol I feel she was too attention seeking and pushy a lot of friends have said the same thing heck even some biographers have I think she had certain mental problems that also led charles away from her .

Diana was a nervous young woman barely out of her teens when she went on her first walkabout as a married woman in Wales. I didn't see anything pushy about her. And the public took to her which Charles was too stupid and jealous and childish to appreciate.

I wonder if your relative or close friend was in Diana's situation you would feel the same contempt for her for "asking for it" or "she should have known better." This is an excuse used for men who are abusive to their wives BTW. The wife "asked for it." Diana went into the marriage in good faith. Charles did not. He should have kicked the greedy mistress to the curb if he wanted a marriage with Diana. He obviously wanted to have it all.

And the mental problems accusations come from Penny Junor who loves Charles and is in no position to diagnose a cat. Diana had bulimia and got it under control but the Diana bashers go to great length to portray her as "mad" so Chuck can get another free pass. Junor is the biographer who said she had "mental problems." I guess you are a great reader of her Diana bashing books.

Charles IMO needed help but felt himself too perfect to seek it. In his authorized biography, he passed on the blame for his own bad choices to everybody but himself. The Diana was mad spin comes directly from his sympathizers Nicholas Soames, Penny Junor and most likely Camilla herself.