Meghan Markle 'has special place in hearts' after comforting Grenfell Victims during visit
Meghan Markle echoes Princess Diana after Royal visit to Grenfell Tower victims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/918107/Meghan-Markle-Princess-Diana-Royal-Grenfell-Tower-Prince-Harry-The-Queen-news-latest)
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Meghan?s 'secret visits to Grenfell': Prince Harry?s fianc?e meets inferno survivors 'during two undercover trips to mosque' that is helping families who lost everything
Meghan Markle made secret visits to Grenfell victims twice | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5383597/Meghan-Markle-secret-visits-Grenfell-victims-twice.html)
Maybe I am being cynical but many public figures have visited and sympathized with the victims of Grenfell, including senior members of BRF. Hopefully this will not turn into another "princess of people's hearts" thing. That has already been done before.
Well, to be fair, it's the Press that is all aflame to build someone new in the BRF up as the 'new Diana'. I don't think Meghan's put that label on herself. And those visits that have happened have been private, with no photos taken.
Until KP sends them (and many other charities and whatever event) the H&M card digitally autographed/signed with the GBP 56K or USD 70 K dress.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/21/13/477FA6AC00000578-5201959-Prince_Harry_and_Meghan_Markle_have_today_released_their_officia-a-168_1513864313743.jpg
(They need to take another official picture, this one is being mentioned by commentators in the private visits or the alleged destruction of ex past family, ex past friends, ex past dogs, etc.)
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I think its cool she is carrying out the private visits and learning from the charity organizations. I am curious which charity will be taking her as patron, and what will she like to champion.
The engagement photo was fine & private citizen's that work for their living can spend their money anyway they want to. The dress also shows that the press is finally getting this fashion icon they are always trying to make Kate into.
Meghan's charities will be about real charitable causes where people in need will receive support instead of the fluff Kate has always chosen. Meghan is a perfect fit for the BRF in their roles & they have been needing someone like her since Diana. Good for Harry in making the right choice in a bride.
Kate has not always just chosen fluff charities...heads together for example
@Duch_Luver_4ever - Often times I believe that the general public and new royal watchers are just not fully informed about the patronages and charities that all of the members of the BRF represent. Typically it is a mix of charities (Marsden, Centerpoint, EACH, Sentebale) and other patronages that reflect the nation's heritage in the arts, sports, architecture, history etc... (National Portrait Gallery, English National Ballet, Rugby Union, Welsh Opera BAFTA). Royals in other nations follow a similar pattern of taking on a patronage or charity that reflects their nation's heritage and culture along with those charities that are devoted the the physical and mental well being of its citizens. For example Queen Mathilde of Belgium might visit a school for disabled children one day and then spend the evening at the ballet the next week. :)
Perhaps their cause might seem insignificant but I'm sure that those organizations do appreciate the publicity and possible donations that their royal patron's visits bring to them. It might be just once a year, but it could be the one time that they have to share their information. :)
Here is a partial listing of Diana's old patronages and charities. IMO it has the expected number of charities with some cultural patronages. Gert's Royals: Princess Diana's Patronages (http://gertsroyals.blogspot.com/2015/09/princess-dianas-patronages.html)
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@TLLK for that. As Diana is the gold standard which all royals are now measured against for charitable impact and compassion, its good to see that even she had charities that didnt change the whole world (but were likely very important to those involved).
Also as time marches on, the public tends to focus more on the last year or two of her life, where it seemed she was everywhere, doing something important(which she was). She was able to post divorce to drop a lot of the charities that were sort of an obligation, and that list is a good reminder of the ones she did while a "working royal" in the fold of the RF.
People have to almost look at Diana's charity working life, kind of like an C level member of a company (COO, CFO, etc) while she was married, while she got to do some "pet" projects, there was a lot of "company work" that was necessary, but maybe wasnt the most exciting. After she divorced, it was like cashing out from the business, or retiring and getting to work more fully on projects that appeal to the heart.
Yes indeed
@Duch_Luver_4ever and Diana's sons and daughter-n-law and soon to be D-I-L will follow the same tradition of selecting patronages and charities that even though they were small were very important to those involved with them. :thumbsup:
Kate belongs to Heads Together because of W&H. She doesn't involve herself with the needy or the sick hospice children at EACH. She designs tea pots & makes some bad speeches.
New royal watchers can see things that the old propaganda readers don't because they see things through fresh eyes. Kate has no caring in her & the best royals are those that show caring in their patronages & the events they perform for those patronages. All Kate has ever cared about is getting that title. She chooses fluff things to do because she has no idea what it is like to work & take care of yourself.
Meghan is everything that Kate is not & the Monarchy needs someone like her to survive. When the Queen thinks someone is lazy (& she knows their "work" isn't really that hard) then that person (Kate) is lazy.
Kate's fans will pull out all types of excuses for Kate because she has nothing going for her.
Well first, im not a Kate fan, I dont dislike her, im shall we say warmly neutral towards her. The monarchy needs both to survive and both were/are the right girls for their time. Its the hyperbole of saying she has no caring, or only does fluff, that I take issue with, and why im wading into her defense.
First, after Diana and Sarah, the RF partly realized both their mistakes in preparing and choice of royal consorts. They were determined the next wife to the heir to the crown would fit into the plan, and Kate has done that. Yes, shes not the touchy feely like Diana, and her smile looks forced, but shes as able to fit in with Williams desire to carry on his mums work in the new royal fashion, and at the same time fit in with the current clan and not make too many waves.
Now id be willing to bet there was some behind the scenes negotiations amonst her and the family on that, and I bet she made it clear that buying her "less willful" nature compared to past royal wives would mean she wasnt going to bust a lung doing engagements.
So far, at least publicly, shes kept a happy marriage, had 2-4 kids(dont know if twins or not) and theyre set to be raised much better than the past 2 royal generations, and can go out in public without upstaging William but at the same time be interesting enough. She does the state visits yet at the same time can do the new royal method of massive public awareness of tackling on important social problems. By all accounts, shes been an extremely effective royal wife, some could argue even more than her previous generations predecessors :shrug:
Now weve had enough time after D&S that some "kick" can be put back into the RF, and Meghan will do that. Harry is far enough down the line to the throne that she'll have more freedom to do her thing, and shes more interactive and warm with the public and will be a good match to Harrys more outgoing personality.
Now some also feel that shes worked the angles like past women wanting to be royal wives, and maybe thats so as well, I'll let time play that out before giving her too hard a time on that.
Both royal wives have a mix of wanting the brass ring of royal life and being warm and engaging. The difference is the RF were in two different places when each was courting their man, and each man has different roles and expectations, and I feel both wives are well suited to that role.
If Diana and Sarah had taken a page out of Kates book, theyd still likely be married to their royal spouses.
Comparing Kate & Meghan as being alike. :wacko:
Sarah & Diana were a different time & no need to go on about what they did or how they were treated etc. it has nothing to do with Meghan being a shining star or Kate being a lazy git.
She will be in the Royal Foundation (with the charities that she choses from the list of charities that request her as patron or president), and will also be member of the Royal Forums (all the charities that have the same causes of the Trio, after May 19 the foursome with whatever charity she works for to exchange and unify funding and the sort). And she will be added to the Heads Together and the picture of KP twitter will be changed to the foursome.
Any other stuff she does out of that picture or requested by HM or Foreign office will not be included or counted in the CC. I think she will be doing some stuff in this range like Harry, to fill up whatever she thinks (like Harry, Africa Rhinos for weeks or entire month) needs to be fulfilling.
It will take 6-12 months for an official notice, the couple will be Royal touring, at least to two locations, typically Canada, Australia, although somewhat I think they will be going to Commonwealth Caribbean - Harry did very well in Jamaica, Barbados and also IF she gets pregnant and it all goes smoothly, if not her GP will tell her what she needs to do to have a healthy pregnancy.
Guessing game of she will chose "real charities", which by the way the trio all have "real charities", that some of them are not to ones liking or wouldn't care or give a hand is completely different. That is why there are many worldwide causes fit to each persons, fundraiser liking.
The guessing of charities is like the supposed none traditional wedding H&M wanted to carryout, which is apparently coming out formatted to royal traditional standards, i.e. to the dot like Peter and Edwards wedding.
Glad everyone agrees that she will work unlike someone else whose name is Kate.
Quality or Quantity, by end of the year you will know Meghan's quantity. Quality is to each persons point of view.
You can't say 'everyone agrees' in a future that is uncertain.
Quote from: Kritter on February 13, 2018, 05:15:54 PM
WOW I guess you are the new royal watcher TLLK was speaking about. Sorry but none of that holds true IMO.
Comparing Kate & Meghan as being alike. :wacko:
Sarah & Diana were a different time & no need to go on about what they did or how they were treated etc. it has nothing to do with Meghan being a shining star or Kate being a lazy git.
I think she was referring to you as the new watcher :lol: K&M are more alike that maybe youd like to admit, both carefully and calculatingly sized up and worked their prospective husbands, both are fashionable, young and get attention when out on engagements.
D&S has something to do with it, Kate has likely agreed to be the anti-Diana in terms of fighting the RF in exchange for an easy ride on the court circular, also id rather see her keep the marriage together and raise the kids right that unveil more plaques. So yes how they were treated has had a shaping effect of these women.
Exactly, if one thinks Meghan will not be doing fluffy engagements in behalf of her charity or in behalf of HM/Government...she WILL have to do it, inaugurations, unveiling a plaque and the sort.
i.e. Harry went to a fluffy engagement watching rugby and it is in the cc. He missed out on more serious engagments like Sentebales Christmas Carole with Sentebales Harry's staff - he could have gone and wished them all Merry Christmas and thanking them for their 2017 works, chit chat and acquire first hand knowledge of what each staffer did that year, etc., and HeadsTogether training meeting 2 Sunday's ago, he was to be the designated, as W&K had just arrived Friday evening from the Scandinavian Tour, he did not go, so the Trio had to be informed of said training meeting for the upcoming marathon. I do not know what he was up to 2 Sundays ago, but there was no duty reported.
No one said there would never be any fluff engagements. I think they let Kate do only fluff stuff because she is incapable of doing anything else having stunted her growth while waiting on that title. Laying herself down for Crown & Country. :lol:
Kate gave birth & is raising children (with a lot of help) an accomplishment that no other woman has ever managed to achieve. :laugh10:
They may be all fluffy to you, not to everyone.
Yesyes, both ladies will do fluff things as in easy. Important, but easy. There is not too work, rehearsal in meetings, etc as to what to do , say, act, at supporting and being a patron of something in the arts. Ex. I do not know, the Royal Ballet. Show up in a pretty cocktail dress or evening gown and watch a ballet performance and meet the cast backstage after. :hehe:
BAFTA, really. :lol:
Yes there things that are of a more sensitive nature in which what to wear, business attire, to what to do, say, even look at the people...say, Camilla at the organization for battered women, abused children.
Kate has some of these type of more serious organizations too.
Yes, it is is a mixed diary of patronage?s. Serious and then the fluff ones. Kate is of the Brit something tennis organization.
Add, the working senior royals? list is a bit long: QE, PAnne, CandC, WnK, etc.
Add, MM has been involved in really , good causes like UN , but as HRH, things for her will change.
She is not going to upsurp K in rank thus a diary of patronages and will not have political things.
I sure want MM to do well and she and H make it as a couple.
Quote from: Kritter on February 13, 2018, 06:07:58 PM
No one said there would never be any fluff engagements. I think they let Kate do only fluff stuff because she is incapable of doing anything else having stunted her growth while waiting on that title. Laying herself down for Crown & Country. :lol:
Kate gave birth & is raising children (with a lot of help) an accomplishment that no other woman has ever managed to achieve. :laugh10:
Kates supposed "growth stunting" is very similar to Diana's first 10 years in the marriage, one could say she was laying herself down for Crown and Country as well, she just got the ring a lot faster, but did it do her any good to have it that quick????
So far she seems to have her marriage more together than her mother in law did. As for putting down the raising of a future heir to the throne and royal children, if its so easy, how come Lizzie's kids turned out to be such an awful mess????? :lol: :lol: :lol: I think you should rethink how important and more difficult it is than it appears to you.
I think thats what rubs you the wrong way about Kate, shes been able to navigate the royal obstacle course better and more on her own terms, or at least terms where shes getting more out of them than Diana did.
QuoteShe will be in the Royal Foundation (with the charities that she choses from the list of charities that request her as patron or president), and will also be member of the Royal Forums (all the charities that have the same causes of the Trio, after May 19 the foursome with whatever charity she works for to exchange and unify funding and the sort). And she will be added to the Heads Together and the picture of KP twitter will be changed to the foursome.
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Thank you for sharing this information
@wannable. IMO you can never have enough facts presented when discussing this topic. Meghan will be receiving requests from various groups that currently do not have a royal patron. She will need the time and the opportunity to sit down with her advisers to thoroughly review each's groups' presentation and to determine if this is a legitimate charity that she would like to align herself with now. Also there is a chance that in the future an older member of the BRF might "retire" as patron and Meghan might be bequeathed that patronage. We saw this recently with QEII retiring as patron of about 25 groups which she then selected the next royal patron from her children, grandchildren and their spouses. The same happened when QEQM, Princess Margaret and Princess Alice of Gloucester passed away. Diana had resigned from most of her patronages after the divorce and the remainder of her patronages that she retained were later picked up by others in the BRF.
Royals also often select patronages that are related to a personal interest, their education or past military association. I wouldn't be surprised if Meghan selects one that is related to a particular theater group or dramatic arts.
QuoteExactly, if one thinks Meghan will not be doing fluffy engagements in behalf of her charity or in behalf of HM/Government...she WILL have to do it, inaugurations, unveiling a plaque and the sort.
Everyone who is a working member of their royal family unveils plaques, shakes hands with local members of government,does some form of craft project and on occasion will take part in a somewhat silly activity. Prince Edward has raised it to an art form IMHO as he usually throws in some comedic lines when doing so. They also attend funerals, weddings, memorial services, review troops etc..
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A rather informative article from The Sun regarding royal patronages.
What is a royal patron? Why do charities want one and what other public engagements do the royal family attend? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3478798/royal-patron-charities-public-engagements/)
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QuoteA member of the royal family can become a representative or supporter of an organisation as a patron, working to publicise and recognise the group's work.
Family members have become linked to thousands of groups, with additional requests from organisations pouring in to Buckingham Palace every year.
While some organisations, like The National Portrait Gallery and Arthritis Research UK, are well-known, others like the Anglo-Finnish Society and Beanstalk, are less so.
Most royal family members have limited the number of organisations that they support but The Queen and Prince Philip hold more than 1000 patronages between them.
Many of the pair's associations were inherited from previous Monarchs.
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QuoteAn organisation that has a royal family member as a patron can enjoy increased publicity, with a patronage also seen as an endorsement.
Prof Cathy Pharoah, co-director of the centre for giving and philanthropy at Cass Business School at City University, London told the BBC: "It's an endorsement that their (the organisation's) work is reputable and high quality."
The work of a royal family member with a certain organisation can also help to boost the profile of previously taboo subjects.
The Duchess of Cambridge has concentrated her support on mental health and the care of children's emotional wellbeing, becoming a patron of Place2Be, as well as The Art Room and Action on Addiction.
Patronages are generally chosen to reflect the interest of the family member.
For example, the Duchess of Cornwall is President of the National Osteoporosis Society as both her mother and grandmother died from the brittle bone disease.
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QuoteHow do charities apply for a royal family member to become a patron?
Organisations can apply for a patron by submitting a request to the appropriate Private Secretary, who will then pass it onto the family member they think will be most interested.
If the royal family member is interested in the group, extensive research will then be undertaken into the organisation.
Factors, including that the group is well-established and reputable, are then considered.
The length of time that patronages are held are not set in stone.
Some royal family members can become involved in a specific campaign, while at other times they can be involved in the organisation for life.
Meghan is blowing lazy bones out of the water and some are getting beyond desperate. Who knew?
Meghan hugs homeless charity founder a day after her secret visits to Grenfell were revealed: 'Emotional' Meghan embraces Edinburgh charity worker who says she's 'deeply inspired' by Harry's girl
Meghan Markle embraced charity worker in Edinburgh | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5387855/Meghan-Markle-embraced-charity-worker-Edinburgh.html)
Considering the scandal associated with this group recently, I doubt that Oxfam will be considered as a possible patronage for Meghan. :no:
Orgies, top news.
Well first, im not a Kate fan, I dont dislike her, im shall we say warmly neutral towards her. The monarchy needs both to survive and both were/are the right girls for their time. Its the hyperbole of saying she has no caring, or only does fluff, that I take issue with, and why im wading into her defense.
First, after Diana and Sarah, the RF partly realized both their mistakes in preparing and choice of royal consorts. They were determined the next wife to the heir to the crown would fit into the plan, and Kate has done that. Yes, shes not the touchy feely like Diana, and her smile looks forced, but shes as able to fit in with Williams desire to carry on his mums work in the new royal fashion, and at the same time fit in with the current clan and not make too many waves.
Now id be willing to bet there was some behind the scenes negotiations amonst her and the family on that, and I bet she made it clear that buying her "less willful" nature compared to past royal wives would mean she wasnt going to bust a lung doing engagements.
So far, at least publicly, shes kept a happy marriage, had 2-4 kids(dont know if twins or not) and theyre set to be raised much better than the past 2 royal generations, and can go out in public without upstaging William but at the same time be interesting enough. She does the state visits yet at the same time can do the new royal method of massive public awareness of tackling on important social problems. By all accounts, shes been an extremely effective royal wife, some could argue even more than her previous generations predecessors :shrug:
Now weve had enough time after D&S that some "kick" can be put back into the RF, and Meghan will do that. Harry is far enough down the line to the throne that she'll have more freedom to do her thing, and shes more interactive and warm with the public and will be a good match to Harrys more outgoing personality.
Now some also feel that shes worked the angles like past women wanting to be royal wives, and maybe thats so as well, I'll let time play that out before giving her too hard a time on that.
Both royal wives have a mix of wanting the brass ring of royal life and being warm and engaging. The difference is the RF were in two different places when each was courting their man, and each man has different roles and expectations, and I feel both wives are well suited to that role.
If Diana and Sarah had taken a page out of Kates book, theyd still likely be married to their royal spouses.
How could Diana still be married to Charles since she is deceased?
Yes if Diana had been a Stepford wife like Kate, did as she was told accept all bad behavior from her husband then she would have never divorced. Good that she was a strong independent woman & knew she deserved better & went for it.
Kate was a title chaser & Diana & Sarah weren't. Sarah is still with her husband & doesn't have to put up with the royal malarkey. I guess all that means Sarah & Diana were the lucky ones.
Sorry I didn't read the entire post since I have trouble getting past drivel.
Quote from: wannable on February 14, 2018, 01:18:05 AM
Orgies, top news.
Huh??? :hehe:
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The media just wants a new Princess Diana. They will never get one because things have changed and the personalities have changed. The public is no longer that innocent. If any of Diana's speeches were made today, they would be torn apart by internet trolls within a matter of seconds.
Meghan is Meghan so let her be. I also find it so offensive trying to suggest that just because someone does not do the hugging thing, they are somehow less involved in the charitable cause. That speaks to me of superficiality. Meghan should ignore the "New Diana" hype because those same media types will soon pull her down ala Sarah Duchess of York. All they are trying to do is suggest that she is hogging the limelight away from other members of BRF including Kate. That is dangerous territory and Meghan will always be the loser if she became a thorn in the side of the institution.
^ I have to assume caring & compassion are negatives for you.
I believe that to be a wrong assumption. Caring and compassion is not the problem here. It is hype and underhandedly making some "Johnny come lately" appear to be the only one doing the job. Like I said, senior members of the BRF visited that site long before Meghan was engaged. It is dangerous territory to try and create an impression that she is the "it girl" of monarchy. If she buys into that stuff, her end will not be pretty. In fact, it is the media which will systematically pull her down when the time comes to create villains.
The reason members of the BRF do not get the same recognition is because they lack caring & compassion.
I cannot say for certain that either Meghan or other members of BRF have "caring and compassion". Those are internal emotions which may or may not be displayed by actions. For example, some of the most appalling people I have ever met like giving lots of hugs and generally being friendly. It is only when you scratch the surface that you realize that they are not what they seem.
What I know for a fact that members of the BRF take their work very seriously. It is unfair to trivialize their efforts that have been taking place for decades simply because they are not "charismatic". I am hopeful that Meghan will not fall into that trap. The monarchy is over 1000 years old and knows what it is doing. No single person is more important than the institution and they should not be deceived into believing so. Media making mischief as per usual.
Google browser gave me 20 pages by searching "Caring Kate".
I think it is too early to see/say if MM will fall for and believe in 'the press' glorifying her. I hope Harry and the Grey Men tell her not to believe in the press pedestal.
@royalanthropologist Oxfam is the charity that is supporting the mosque with the Grenfell Tower. MM went to the none secret visit (a camera crew went with her to the alleged secret visit, for PR purpose of aftermath reporting) on a Saturday, Happy Sunday (roasting chicken for hubby ;) ), and Monday the UK news exploded with the Oxfam prostitution, investigations are ongoing because the oxfam case happened internationally, and some people that work for the charity in the UK are saying it is happening there too.
My point is, I agree with
@TLLK this is one charity that KP (BRF in general) exercise investigation to see if any of their royal members will or not be a patron or president or ambassador or volunteer. MM will have to scrap involvement with Oxfam.
Top stories
Oxfam sex scandal is bigger than Weinstein's Hollywood sex abuse claims
The Sun
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Oxfam Deputy Chief Executive quits in wake of sexual misconduct scandal
Mirror.co.uk
1 day ago
Oxfam admits 'moral failure' over prostitutes scandal
Daily Mail
2 days ago
EU JOINS THREAT TO PULL MILLIONS FROM OXFAM
The EU became the latest major donor to threaten to pull funding from Oxfam in the aftermath of a major scandal today.
Brussels spent almost ?30million on aid with Oxfam last year.
EU spokeswoman Maja Kocijancic said: 'We expect Oxfam to fully clarify the allegations with maximum transparency as a matter of urgency, and we're ready to review and, if needed, cease funding to any partner who is not living up to the required high ethical standards.'
The EU provided Oxfam with 1.7 million euros ($2.0 million) in funding for work in Haiti in 2011, she said.
You know it is so true about the likes of Oxfam. The staff live in the lap of luxury (sex parties included apparently) while the intended beneficiaries and the individual contributors wallow in more modest circumstances. Oxfam had it coming and I hope there is a full investigation.
Yes, and related to involvement of any royal to a charity, it will take between 3 to 6 months of Auditing from who are the financial funders (mafia and drug loard money laundering love to get involved, they will donate 1 million and money launder 10 million) to transparency in how much goes to charity and staff (a healthy charity will give 80% to charity 20% to pay staff).
So MM will need to exercise patience in getting involved publicly with a unknown royal related (none patron) charity. Better this than getting burned. I think she will start with safe routes, charities certified and previously visited by royals. Grenfell Tower is one, regretfully, not even the oldest firm (BRF) was prepared to receive this dreadful news. Everyone caught by surprise. Yikes.
QuoteI cannot say for certain that either Meghan or other members of BRF have "caring and compassion". Those are internal emotions which may or may not be displayed by actions.
They aren't things that can be hidden when real. Of course some of the naive can be duped into believing those who are fake.
As the saying goes, Charity starts at Home first...
I had not even thought of that angle but I am sure the press will highlight the dysfunction of the Markle family at every opportunity. Some might say it is easy to be publicly compassionate to strangers with the cameras rolling when compared to being genuinely compassionate for less than perfect relatives.
Quote from: wannable on February 14, 2018, 12:27:18 PM
As the saying goes, Charity starts at Home first...
What makes you think that Meghan isn't charitable at home. Oh I get it you think if one works hard & earns enough money they have to support everyone in the family. :wacko:
The Oxfam thing is going to be a sticky wicket given how enmeshed it is in the charity scene both in the UK and other countries. I also think I heard something about Save the Children as well yesterday. These big charities give a lot of visibility and allow some leverage with the limited time the royals have for charity events.
Now theryre going to have to rethink what and how they support their charities. As for Meghan being the "new Diana" thats the press wanting to grab onto an easy shorthand to describe her, and as well I think, they long for the old days when they had a dependable subject to boost sales, and their hoping Meghan will do that for them.
Time will tell what shes like when the cameras are off, from what ive seen so far, things look good. I do think theres something to the whole "princess pushy" thing though and we'll see how that plays out. Im hoping that H&M are the love match it seems, im guessing cause weve been down that road before with royals we can be forgiven with a wait and see attitude. But fingers are crossed.
Quote from: Kritter on February 14, 2018, 02:49:13 PM
What makes you think that Meghan isn't charitable at home. Oh I get it you think if one works hard & earns enough money they have to support everyone in the family. :wacko:
I dont want to speak for wannable, but the impression I got from her comment was for everyone (not just Meghan) to focus more on local charities where you can keep an eye on them better than these big multinational ones. :shrug:
QuoteI dont want to speak for wannable, but the impression I got from her comment was for everyone (not just Meghan) to focus more on local charities where you can keep an eye on them better than these big multinational ones.
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QuoteAs the saying goes, Charity starts at Home first...
QuoteI am sure the press will highlight the dysfunction of the Markle family at every opportunity. Some might say it is easy to be publicly compassionate to strangers with the cameras rolling when compared to being genuinely compassionate for less than perfect relatives.
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I very much doubt to date in MM charitable intentions, because of past and present revelations of her circumstances with Family and Friends.
@royalanthropologist, that angle has me and many others with the same question.
I have not concluded as some hardcore that she is phony.
1 Timothy 5:8, King James Bible, 1611:
But if any prouide not for his owne, & specially for those of his owne house, hee hath denied the faith, and is worse then an infidel.
John Wyclif had expressed the same idea as early as 1382, in Of Prelates, reprinted in English Works, 1880:
Charite schuld bigyne at hem-self.
John Fletcher came very close to using the phrase in the comedy Wit without Money, circa 1625:
Charity and beating begins at home.
Sir Thomas Browne was the first to put the expression into print in the form we now use, in Religio Medici, 1642:
Charity begins at home, is the voice of the world: yet is every man his greatest enemy.
@Duch_Luver_4ever, KP will be investigating all small, medium or big charities before she dips publicly her image into it. They need to certify the transparency of every charity that is interested in having Meghan or Meghan is interested and asks to participate. They can not and will not take a risk with a shady charity. * That is why the fundraisers organized by the BRF is per invitation rather than selling invitations to a glam fundraiser, where anybody, shady people can buy.
Comprehension is a wonderful thing & twisting someone's words are not.
QuoteWhat I know for a fact that members of the BRF take their work very seriously. It is unfair to trivialize their efforts that have been taking place for decades simply because they are not "charismatic". I am hopeful that Meghan will not fall into that trap. The monarchy is over 1000 years old and knows what it is doing. No single person is more important than the institution and they should not be deceived into believing so. Media making mischief as per usual
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I so agree
@royalanthropologist and the work that so many in the BRF do every year, including the QEII's cousins, is often times overlooked by the media because they're no longer part of the younger generation. IMO it's also important to take into consideration the audience that the royal is greeting when they're out at one of their engagements. Some are not going to want to receive an overt and physically close greeting (hug, kiss) from someone that they're not familiar with and might prefer to just shake hands. IMO the members of the BRF do their best to "read" the cues and will respond appropriately. If a royal determines that shaking hands is the best greeting then should not be considered an indication of the depths of a person's commitment and caring if they choose not to hug a member of the public.
QuoteKP will be investigating all small, medium or big charities before she dips publicly her image into it. They need to certify the transparency of every charity that is interested in having Meghan or Meghan is interested and asks to participate. They can not and will not take a risk with a shady charity. * That is why the fundraisers organized by the BRF is per invitation rather than selling invitations to a glam fundraiser, where anybody, shady people can buy.
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@wannable. IMO Meghan will be advised by those familiar with the patronage vetting process as she reviews the requests for a royal patron.
"Princess Pushy" can be a hard label to break once it sticks. It is better to be guided by those that know what they are doing and have been doing it for years. Certainly ignore the press musings about how much you are the best of the lot or even the reincarnation of your dead prospective mother-in-law.
Who calls Meghan Princess Pushy apart from that revolting half-sister of hers in her prospective book title? The only person in the BRF who has ever been given that title was Princess Michael, and even that has faded into history.
There is no evidence at all that Meghan is pushing for various patronages or for a greater role in the Royal family, though I'll bet there will be plenty of charities that will be very eager for her to represent them!
Meghan is Meghan; she is kind, caring and interested in the people she meets. Can't fake take. Unlike the Barbie Doll.
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How weird that Meghan doesn't need *Princess Lessons* nor *Time to adjust*. Who'd have thought it?
What I see is the press trying to divide and conquer, suggesting that someone that has just come on the scene is somehow the be all and end all of compassionate monarchy. That is a glorious pedestal but she will be brought down...by none other than the press that put her high.
Better to follow the experienced experts than trying to cause a sensation. I am sensing a Kate vs. Meghan vibe that is being pushed by the press...dangerous stuff considering the fact that one day Kate will be the queen with the expectation that Meghan will always give her deference. You buy into the media hype and your stay in BRF will be a very unhappy one...I have seen that story before and it does not end well.
Quote.I have seen that story before and it does not end well.
However the tabloid press will push it because it is a profitable one. :shrug:
The press is pushing it because the fans started it.
Kate fans feared Meghan would outshine Kate & everything she did started to show that to be true. They started attacking Meghan on everything & the Meghan fans started reminding people of Kate's flaws. :shrug:
Meghan will outshine Kate like Harry outshines William, the have less on their plate as far as being expected to rule, so they dont have to act as starchy as W&K may be expected.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on February 15, 2018, 10:43:00 PM
What I see is the press trying to divide and conquer, suggesting that someone that has just come on the scene is somehow the be all and end all of compassionate monarchy. That is a glorious pedestal but she will be brought down...by none other than the press that put her high.
Better to follow the experienced experts than trying to cause a sensation. I am sensing a Kate vs. Meghan vibe that is being pushed by the press...dangerous stuff considering the fact that one day Kate will be the queen with the expectation that Meghan will always give her deference. You buy into the media hype and your stay in BRF will be a very unhappy one...I have seen that story before and it does not end well.
Agreed in that, im guessing Meghan has had enough experience in the Hollywood press machine to not be awed by the novelty shed face if shed had a different job. The trick will be going from a job where the goal was to be as visible as possible to moderating and muting her exposure in the future.
QuoteMeghan will outshine Kate like Harry outshines William, the have less on their plate as far as being expected to rule, so they dont have to act as starchy as W&K may be expected
I agree that for present, that the media attention is on the engaged couple and will be for awhile. They're going to be the newlyweds. IMHO the Cambridges are more than happy and relieved to let them have all of the unrelenting press attention. :lol:
Quotethe have less on their plate
What plate is that? Is it the plate that says William is required to do more for the Monarchy because one day he will be King.
I guess William missed that memo since he has never shown to care about the Monarchy. Oh but he is known for loving those perks.
Lazy boy William and his beyond lazy dolt of a wife need step up
@SophieChloe -The Cambridge engagement thread part 2 has a listing of their future joint and solo engagements for this upcoming week through the end of February. :)
The Harry and Meghan engagements thread also has his upcoming events along with his joint ones with Meghan.
There'll be plenty of time for them to do that once Charles is on the throne. For now hes making sure the marriage is solid and the kids turn out right, nothing any of his parents or grandparents could do on the royal side at least, idk about Kates side.
Other than the Oxfam scandal, apparently World Vision, which MM was an ambassador, said charity is in sex for food scandal too. It will be hitting the news quite soon. KP will really need to audit any charity Ms. Markle will be involved as a representative of the BRF.
I notice Meghan's detractors are trying very hard to link her with something involving sex. :lol:
It really is funny because the BRF who has more resources would have already found something if it were there. Supporting a charity doesn't mean a person gets into every aspect of every person involved in the charity. :lol:
At this point the things they are coming up with are plain stupid. Saying things like she thought. :lol: They have no idea what Meghan thought. I saw one where her ex husbands girlfriend does the same things Meghan does & looks like Meghan so Meghan was copying her just to trap her husband. :laugh10:
As if women can't be interested in the same things or that a man can't have a certain type of woman he prefers & that is the type he looks for.
They really are starting to show signs of outright stupidity in their quest to create a humanitarian into a user.
I am talking about Oxfam and World Vision, 2 charities that this week are being investigated for sex scandals. The first she had her alleged secret visit (but did go with a journalist) and the second, she was an ambassador.
Why is it bad that KP investigates any and all possible charities MM will be involved? What would you prefer her to do, hit the floor and run to any charity without knowing if the charity is transparent?
I didn't say KP was bad for looking at charities. Where did you get that? I was talking about Meghan's detractor's.
As for looking at charities none of them can ever know what is going on inside until an insider comes out & tells them.
What will happen when a scandal opens up about one of W&K's charities? Will your point of view change? :D
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Your point has nothing to do with charities. Your point has to do with wackos, which is not even remotely related to charities.
Knee jerking, no W&K, the charity royal patronages they are involved to date have been audited previous to receiving a royal patron. Royal patronages may be taken away though when a yearly audit of wrong doing happens, but previous to a Royal being a patron, the household of the royal must review the charity.
Your point has nothing to do with this thread but your knee jerk reaction to anything good that Meghan does is to try & turn it into something bad.
Meghan's detractors have tried to use this story to show that she does not really care. You are trying to imply that Meghan has something to do with this charities scandal because she visited some people that had lived through a tragedy.
The thread is about Meghan being kind & not about some charity being bad.
It does have to do, as when this article was reported, a few hours later the charity of the Grenfell Towers scandal also appeared as headline news.
Other than, the PR secret visit intention fell apart due to the charity scandal. In other words, when word of her alleged secret visit was reported, marketing PR wise it should be reproduced by the media, but it did not because the charity was hit by scandal a few hours later, superseding her PR secret visit.
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The reality is, IF MM wants to do good as you put it, she will need to exercise patience of BRF royal patronage policy, wait until charity is audited and good to go.
Nobody can compete with the media: charity she visit glowing report versus charity she visited is hit by scandal. The later will always take precedence in the clicks.
:bounce: Meghan visited people that survived a tragedy & that is the story. The charity has nothing to do with her or her visits. :monkey2:
Of course it has to do, the survivors are in a Mosque paid by Oxfam, the charity that made headline news this past monday for the same as World Vision, sex scandals. Her visit was reported in the morning London time, by midday the scandal of the charity hit front page news.
The point remains, KP will be sanctioning the charities she relates to, they will not allow a BRF member tied to a charity immersed in scandal.
I have to assume that you do not know that an individual giving comfort to survivors of a tragedy has nothing to do with a charitable organization other than bringing the two together. :shrug:
Of course she is with journalists in tow for PR purpose.
The institution of the BRF do have policies in Royal patronages, her charity endeavours will be sanctioned a go or not.
Only if one is a conspiracy theorist and the BRF will let her do on her own what she feels like and get burned with publicity of bad asicciations.
QuoteThe point remains, KP will be sanctioning the charities she relates to, they will not allow a BRF member tied to a charity immersed in scandal.
Right you are
@wannable. EVERYTHING will be reviewed before the stamp of approval is given. :nod:
Thanks
@TLLK my point is all the good may be quickly off by being associated to a chairity organization that may be wrong doing. Before her involvement, exercise patience Meghan, let KP do their job by reviewing, auditing the charity.
For the record, I'm not blaming her, but may be her over eagerness backfired PR purpose wise, as her news was freshly out, and the yay moment got overshadowed by the charity sex scandal that supports and feed the survivors. Who knows if one of the people she was comforting was screwed for food. Terrible.
Just keep trying to associate Meghan with this organization to fit some agenda or something. :wacko:
The conspiracy would be someone labeling Meghan with any charity since she hasn't even entered the BRF yet or chosen any charities since she hasn't entered the BRF yet a fact that you seem to miss.
I bet it doesn't take her a year to choose four charities & visit them once a year or when she needs some good PR the way Kate did.
I don't need to try. She went and even if you do not like it, the roof where the survivors are is paid for by Oxfam.
And her visit was publicized, she is a public figure, everything she does will be associated to the BRF.
You are stretching really really hard. :laugh10: :Lothwen:
She will dissociate from Oxfam/World Vision, the investigations will take over a year for these two charities that Ms. Markle was involved with. The later aids Africa and Haiti, with alleged money help from the Clinton Foundation. MM through her social media Twitter/TIG supported Hillary.. One can see where her inspiration and using her celebrity status came from to be the face.
Quotehanks @TLLK my point is all the good may be quickly off by being associated to a chairity organization that may be wrong doing.
:nod: Yes with KP's experience and resources they're going to be very diligent in vetting her future patronages and charities. Even though Meghan has not been accused of any wrong doing, the news about World Vision must be very troubling to her and I believe that she will want KP to conduct a thorough investigation about any organization.
Quote from: TLLK on February 17, 2018, 10:22:20 PM
@SophieChloe -The Cambridge engagement thread part 2 has a listing of their future joint and solo engagements for this upcoming week through the end of February. :)
The Harry and Meghan engagements thread also has his upcoming events along with his joint ones with Meghan.
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@TLLK I get what you're trying to do there. Crafty.
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