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Title: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 07:53:18 PM
Kate is currently at the Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards at the Natural History Museum, one of her patronages.  Some early pictures/stories:

Live: Pregnant Kate Middleton attends Wildlife Photographer of The Year awards in central London - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/live-pregnant-kate-middleton-attends-4476948)

Kate dazzles in baby blue gown at black tie event at the Natural History Museum as she makes second public appearance of the day after battle with (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2802146/kate-dazzles-baby-blue-gown-black-tie-event-natural-history-museum-makes-second-public-appearance-day-battle-severe-morning-sickness.html)

Kate Middleton looks glowing in figure-hugging gown at awards ceremony - hellomagazine.com (http://ca.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2014102121527/kate-middleton-attends-wildlife-photography-awards/)
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 21, 2014, 07:59:28 PM
I have to say, she looks great. I love the dress, color-- and especially her shoes (last time we saw them was at the Baftas I believe).

She looks healthy and glowing. Maybe a rotation of regular engagements does her body good! ;)

Edited to add: The only change I'd like to see is a bit of lining at the top-- I hate seeing cleavage.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 21, 2014, 08:01:04 PM
Thanks, Canuck.  Can't say I like the dress, but Kate looks great.  Glad she was able to make it to the event. :)

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
This isn't my favourite dress of hers, but it's a beautiful colour and I do love the shoes (Lady Adams, I think these were from the ARK gala, not the BAFTAs, but I could be wrong about that).
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 21, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
^^ @Canuck, you're absolutely right-- it was the ARK gala!  :doh:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: v_voom on October 21, 2014, 08:26:39 PM
Not a fan of the dress or the colour. 2 engagements on one day? I hear Mustique calling.

Who also want to bet that we see a headline in the Daily Whine regarding the correlation between the colour of Kate's dress and the sex of the baby?
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 21, 2014, 08:34:31 PM
^^ @v_voom I think you're right about the color-- but she did accessorize with baby pink!  ;)
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: v_voom on October 21, 2014, 08:36:49 PM
Now I am confused! Will it be a boy or a girl? I guess I'll find out tomorrow from Daily Whine.  :wink:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Macrobug on October 21, 2014, 08:38:55 PM
Next event will be in pink.  Given rise to twin theories.  And when she wears an outfit in multiple colour then the triplet stories will start.  By April she will be have so many babies growing she will be able to start her own rugby team.

Got to love social media   :teehee:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: TLLK on October 21, 2014, 08:48:38 PM
IMO it is very rude of her to wear blue and pink. She should stick to yellow, green or orange until the baby is born. This is just going to create more theorists to the baby's gender.  As someone who is currently camped out in front of the hospital this is going to bring more poachers to my patch of pavement. I'm not at all happy. :blahblahblah:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: SophieChloe on October 21, 2014, 08:53:57 PM
A "sick" pregnant woman will her leg hanging out of the dress.  She is so Demure..... :Lothwen:

If engagements do not significantly pick up after this outing...this it is defo Mustique time. 

I also believe she wears these colours to make some get all excited.  Each to their own. 
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 09:08:44 PM
Here are the winning photographs:  Wildlife Photographer of the Year 2014 - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11178354/Wildlife-Photographer-of-the-Year-2014.html?frame=3080603)

The overall winner, the lions on the rock, is just GORGEOUS.  Well deserved prize.

As for Kate's outfit, I guess it's only fair that she not be able to wear any blue or pink for the duration of her pregnancy, even when (as now) it's too early for her to know the sex of the baby, because it's clearly her fault that the DM writes stupid articles about her. 
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 21, 2014, 09:19:36 PM
^^ @Canuck, I don't think any of us who referenced the colors of her outfit were at all implying it was "her fault" that media outlets pay attention to her clothes-- I do think she coyly referenced her pregnancy with wearing both baby pink and baby blue colors tonight, in the same way she wore blue when she left the hospital with George.  :shrug:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Macrobug on October 21, 2014, 09:21:16 PM
I like this years winning photo better than last years.  Glad she was able to make it to both events.  But she should stick to Pucci prints for the rest of the pregnancy.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 09:31:41 PM
Lady Adams, I didn't mean to suggest that everyone was saying that.  I probably should have quoted the part of SophieChloe's post I was responding to, where she said that she thought Kate wore those colours to make people excited about the baby's possible gender.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 21, 2014, 09:39:16 PM
^^ @Canuck, I guess-- following your logic-- I agree with @SophieChloe and think Kate is savvy enough to know that if she wears solely light blue or light pink people will speculate. I think her wearing both colors is a nod to her pregnancy.

If that's blaming her... then I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 09:41:23 PM
Perhaps I read too much into the comment, Lady Adams, based on some of the other posts being made today.  I'm happy to retract that post of mine.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 21, 2014, 09:42:17 PM
^ @Canuck I give you this emoticon as an acceptance of your retraction:
:truce:

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: TLLK on October 21, 2014, 09:42:21 PM
Quote from: Macrobug on October 21, 2014, 09:21:16 PM
I like this years winning photo better than last years.  Glad she was able to make it to both events.  But she should stick to Pucci prints for the rest of the pregnancy.
Didn't see last year's so I should look for it.

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Quote from: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 09:08:44 PM
Here are the winning photographs:  Wildlife Photographer of the Year 2014 - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/11178354/Wildlife-Photographer-of-the-Year-2014.html?frame=3080603)

The overall winner, the lions on the rock, is just GORGEOUS.  Well deserved prize.

As for Kate's outfit, I guess it's only fair that she not be able to wear any blue or pink for the duration of her pregnancy, even when (as now) it's too early for her to know the sex of the baby, because it's clearly her fault that the DM writes stupid articles about her. 
Thank you for the link. My favorite is the frog popping out of the surface of the water, but a close second was the lions on the rock.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 21, 2014, 09:42:17 PM
^ @Canuck I give you this emoticon as an acceptance of your retraction:
:truce:

:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

:girlblush:  :blowkiss:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 21, 2014, 10:47:37 PM
QuoteDuchess of Cambridge at the Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards

The Duchess of Cambridge made her second appearance of the day at the Wildlife Photographer of the Year, today is the first time Kate has been seen since announcing her second pregnancy.

Despite still suffering from the effects of a rare form of morning sickness, the pregnant Duchess greeted photographers at the Natural History Museum.

For the evening event she had changed from her earlier formal outfit by Alexander McQueen into a glamorous gown by Jenny Packham. 

Kate is a keen photographer and patron of the Natural History Museum, which is hosting the event it co-owns with BBC Worldwide.

More: Duchess of Cambridge at the Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards - ITV News (http://www.itv.com/news/2014-10-21/duchess-of-cambridge-at-the-wildlife-photographer-of-the-year-awards/)

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cate1949 on October 21, 2014, 10:57:44 PM
I really dislike the dress - do not think it especially is flattering - too fussy and you know the Kate haters will go nuts that she exposed thigh

But she looks happy and healthy and I'm glad she was able to make this event - she does seem to have an especial interest in this

The winning pic of the lions is great but I loved the hummingbird
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 21, 2014, 11:01:04 PM
I liked the hummingbirds best, too.  It made me think of the hummingbird wars in my back yard. :o

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: wannable on October 21, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
Lovely Kate, she will steal the headlines tomorrow morning if not already tonight. She's got attractive legs, plus I think she's overall good looking, photogenic.

Love those sandals with a bow.

Is there any videos? she delivered awards and because of her HG, I suppose she can't hold down most foods, she retired when dinner. Richard Palmer express article.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 21, 2014, 11:15:18 PM
Thanks for the tip, wannable, I was wondering whether she'd be able to eat a banquet dinner (or even just be surrounded by food) without getting queasy. 

Here's the article, for anyone who's interested:  Kate Middleton in Jenny Packham at Natural History Museum awards | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/525756/Kate-Middleton-Jenny-Packham-Natural-History-Museum-awards)
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: wannable on October 21, 2014, 11:18:36 PM
@Canuck  thanks, yes that's the article.

http://whatkatewore.com/2014/10/21/kate-sparkles-in-jenny-packham-for-photography-awards-gala-at-natural-history-museum/#more-29401

What Kate Wore details, her new jewelry identified.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Eri on October 22, 2014, 08:10:08 AM
You say Gala and Kate suddenly feels better  :computer: ...
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 22, 2014, 10:32:18 AM
^^ She didn't stay for the dinner, so maybe not feeling all that much better. :(

GBR: The Duchess Of Cambridge Attends The Wildlife Photographer of The Year 2014 Awards Pictures & News Photos | Getty Images (http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=519736439&EditorialProduct=Royalty)

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: KaTerina Montague on October 22, 2014, 10:52:36 AM
She looks beautiful and Harry was right she has great legs. I'm not understanding th4 bottom of the dress, it looks good when the longer part is just in the back, but why does it seem to be fully around her legs at times.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: TLLK on October 22, 2014, 01:52:42 PM
Quote from: cinrit on October 22, 2014, 10:32:18 AM
^^ She didn't stay for the dinner, so maybe not feeling all that much better. :(

GBR: The Duchess Of Cambridge Attends The Wildlife Photographer of The Year 2014 Awards Pictures & News Photos | Getty Images (http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=519736439&EditorialProduct=Royalty)

Cindy
True. Wisely she's avoiding parts of events where food is involved.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 22, 2014, 02:29:50 PM


Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Eri on October 22, 2014, 04:04:31 PM
I know I am virtually alone in this but I don't like the dress ... she always wears stuff a z-list  TV actress would wear at the Emmy's ... at nearly 33 and pregnant you would think she would be over the showing off how "hot" she is ... but that is the issue with Kate she treats her position as a way to act as a celebrity ...
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: PaulaB on October 22, 2014, 04:11:28 PM
No she is dressing like a woman, just because she is pregnant and I'll i would imagine that looking feminine would make her feel better.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: wannable on October 22, 2014, 04:18:40 PM
@Eri  I like it, but you're not alone, some people don't like the in fashion double skirt cut. Quite expensive, hence what we see is famous people photographed, Amal over did this styled look in Venice. If you like fashion, check out different couture fashion shows look book, NY, London and Milan, it's the new thing.

I think by the RC tweets, they all liked it, gorgeous was the word used. She looks age appropriate and has the body and legs...too covered we'd have the she looks 50 complaint.

@cinrit thank you for the video, because of her HG condition and improving, she seems to be walking a bit slower and focusing sight at one point slowly to another, rather than her usual pace and little faster motion of head turns and acknowledgment to people passing or around her., plus the crazy flashing of cameras . I noticed the exhibit was in the dark, with lights only to highlight the awarding and contestant pictures.

I think she still gets nauseous.

Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: TLLK on October 22, 2014, 04:23:52 PM
Look at that beaming smile from that young winner!!! :vday4:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 22, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
I don't particularly like the style of the dress.  But I don't have any problem with her wearing it, it's just not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 22, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
Eri, I don't like the dress, either.  But even so, I think she looks nice in it. 

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: KaTerina Montague on October 22, 2014, 04:29:22 PM
Oh really being 33 is too old to look sophisticated AND  sexy? My big black butt. She looks appropriate w/o looking skanky. And she may be pregnant but shes not showing, and some pregnant women like to look sexy as well.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: wannable on October 22, 2014, 04:36:07 PM
On another note, I think the new clothes were part of the Malta wardrobe formal agenda; the checkered POW grey coat from for her arrival and saluting, the baby blue for dinner at the malta president house, and another new dress for tomorrow's gala.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 22, 2014, 04:42:53 PM
I suspect you're right, wannable, at least about the grey coat and one dress.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: HereditaryPrincess on October 22, 2014, 10:12:46 PM
I think Kate looks lovely, though I'm not sure how I feel about the design of her dress. The colour is wonderful however and suits her a lot.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Limabeany on October 22, 2014, 11:09:46 PM
Quote from: Eri on October 22, 2014, 04:04:31 PM
I know I am virtually alone in this but I don't like the dress ... she always wears stuff a z-list  TV actress would wear at the Emmy's ... at nearly 33 and pregnant you would think she would be over the showing off how "hot" she is ... but that is the issue with Kate she treats her position as a way to act as a celebrity ...
I think she is and dresses as a celebrity, why pretend she is a stateswoman or even a professional woman with a career behind her? I think the length of the skirt is a bit Kardashian, unpopular but there it is, the top is not my cup of tea as I have never been a fan of that type of dress for formal occasions or of the cleavage but she seems to have no problem with either for formal/public occasions.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: wannable on October 22, 2014, 11:50:22 PM
So I suppose Amal the lawyer almost see it all has turned to a Kardashan. Might be true rumor is she will be fired from her future ex.brilliant career
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Curryong on October 22, 2014, 11:55:13 PM
I agree with both of you. I think Kate should aim for a sleek and elegant look as a young royal. Instead, too often she has worn things which wouldn't be out of place on a soap star handing out awards on a TV show. I don't like mullet dresses at the best of times, and although I don't mind the colour, Kate has a dozen more appropriate things in her wardrobe than what she ended up wearing.

She also is addicted to her long hair flapping everywhere. Kate, darling, you're not 22 any more. Try an updo occasionally. You might then be able to feature a spectacular pair of long ear-rings or a necklace, (as Charlene does)  without them being hidden under mounds of hair. I know Letizia is older and a very different body-type, but, my goodness, she exudes sophisticated elegance when she is seen in evening wear, whereas Kate, well....
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: wannable on October 23, 2014, 12:29:26 AM
I don't like most of Letizia fashion choices, but she dresses for her age, appropriate. Before her divorce, as a press lady, she looked better yet.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Eri on October 23, 2014, 07:39:19 AM
Besides the fact it is NOT her job to look "sexy"  :notamused: she never looks sexy she just looks cheap ... someone mentioned Letizia talk about someone who look good  and knows how to dress for her position ...
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: PaulaB on October 23, 2014, 09:17:35 AM
http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/fashion/celebrity-fashion/2013/07/princess-diana-best-dresses-fashion-style#!image-number=36

http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/fashion/celebrity-fashion/2013/07/princess-diana-best-dresses-fashion-style#!image-number=37
Being 33 and royal doesnt mean you can't want to be dressed in a nice sexy dress or is that only allowed for Diana
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Eri on October 23, 2014, 11:03:28 AM
^ It was allowed to Di in 1995 when she was separated ... NO LONGER a Royal ... if Kate wants to dress as a starlet dressed for the Emmy's so be it but not everyone has to like it ...
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
It doesn't seem that long ago that I read critiques here that Kate dressed too conservatively and should "take chances".  But when she does, she's criticized for it?

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: wannable on October 23, 2014, 11:40:45 AM
^ Yup!

The difference, is that Kate hacked it, she pulled off that dress, that is the way it should look with no enhanced blow up plastic surgery, nor too tight fitting. She wears the dress, sexy but at the same time looks dainty IMO.

She has another gala tonight, Rebecca English from the DM has confirmed tweeted she will be there to cover the story.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 23, 2014, 11:58:34 AM
Quote from: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
It doesn't seem that long ago that I read critiques here that Kate dressed too conservatively and should "take chances".  But when she does, she's criticized for it?

Cindy

Exactly.

I don't think there's anything wrong with a Royal showing a hint of cleavage or a bit of leg at an evening gala, so long as it doesn't go too far.  Diana certainly did, as does Sophie Wessex (more cleavage than leg there), etc.  This dress isn't my taste, but it's perfectly appropriate and is exactly what people keep saying Kate should do -- wear something different, take some chances, dress like a young woman, etc.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
Quote from: Canuck on October 23, 2014, 11:58:34 AM
Quote from: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
It doesn't seem that long ago that I read critiques here that Kate dressed too conservatively and should "take chances".  But when she does, she's criticized for it?

Cindy

Exactly.

I don't think there's anything wrong with a Royal showing a hint of cleavage or a bit of leg at an evening gala, so long as it doesn't go too far.  Diana certainly did, as does Sophie Wessex (more cleavage than leg there), etc.  This dress isn't my taste, but it's perfectly appropriate and is exactly what people keep saying Kate should do -- wear something different, take some chances, dress like a young woman, etc.

This line of thinking is problematic, in my opinion, because it lumps everyone who criticizes Kate in one category-- so no wonder the conclusion is "she can never win." As I said earlier, I liked the blue dress (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=72311.msg1309058#msg1309058). Cindy, you said it wasn't your cup of tea (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=72311.msg1309060#msg1309060). Those are all fine opinions to have, and it's representative of what each of us as individuals think: not some grand waves of public opinion that damn Kate no matter what. I think if anyone in the public eye is looking to "win" all the time, whether at fashion or in general-- they will be disappointed; no one can ever please everyone.

Yes some people wanted her to take risks. Sometimes they don't pan out.  :shrug: No one was overly harsh about the dress-- it just wasn't some people's favorite.

I was surprised, however, to see a lot of the comments on The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor (http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2014/10/royal-return-of-day-october-22.html) blog-- many people (like @Eri, @Limabeany, and @Curryong said earlier in this thread) there seemed to think her dress seemed more "celebrity" than "royal"-- then again, that blog (and its commenters) would be pleased to see Kate wearing the Delhi Durbar Tiara to visit a hospital.  ;)


PS: I know I'm quoting the post above mine, but I wanted to make sure Cindy's was in here too. I hope that's okay.  :flower:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 23, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
I don't mean to lump all criticism together, Lady Adams, but there are some posters who are making both of those contradictory criticisms themselves (and similarly on other issues).  I just try to keep my posts a bit vague so I'm not "calling out" particular posters for that issue.

I think many of us had some measured criticism of the dress, but there were others saying Kate looked cheap, like a z-list celebrity, wasn't appropriate, etc., which I would consider "harsh" given that she's showing a hint of cleavage and a slit just above the knee.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 12:38:37 PM
^^ I am by no means a fan of Kate (though I used to be, and if she does a turnaround in her royal duties like Anne, I may be again)-- and I understand about being vague-- but I do believe that we should be careful about generalizing those who think differently from us, too.

As far as the dress criticisms... if you think those are harsh, you must never had read an US Weekly or watched E! Again, I liked the dress, but it did look a little celebrity-like (and, well, the Kardashians have been huge fans of the high-low hem trend) and some could call the material cheap. I was one of the people that said I didn't like the hint of cleavage. I just don't: on the Sophie, Cam, or HM, I say: support the Queen Marys, and don't let us see 'em!  ;)
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 12:50:51 PM
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
Cindy, you said it wasn't your cup of tea (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=72311.msg1309060#msg1309060).

Yes, I said that, and it's still not my cup of tea.  That means only that I don't like the design; it doesn't mean I think it's inappropriate.  I also said that I think Kate looks good in it.

Quote from: Lady AdamsYes some people wanted her to take risks. Sometimes they don't pan out.  :shrug: No one was overly harsh about the dress-- it just wasn't some people's favorite.

I disagree.  As you point out, there are posts declaring the dress inappropriate for a member of the Royal Family (forgive me for not looking for the exact wording), and comparing her to celebrities at award shows.

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 12:59:20 PM
^^ I absolutely disagree with that. Saying a dress is meant for a celebrity, instead of a royal, is not at all harsh in my opinon. I cannot imagine the women of the ROoS blog ever being anything but fans of royal women, and even many of them commented it felt more celebrity than royal.  :shrug:

If that is harsh...well, then no wonder any small criticism needles!
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 23, 2014, 01:11:29 PM
I don't necessarily think saying looking celebrity is harsh, but z-list, Kardashian comparisons, and cheap (not necessarily referring to the fabric) strike me as harsh for a dress like this.  I'm not saying those criticisms are over the line and shouldn't be made (everyone's entitled to their opinion) just that I disagree they apply to this outfit.  I'd disagree with anyone at OoS saying those things, too.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 01:43:32 PM
^^ Yes, exactly.  It all depends on how the criticism is presented.

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
^^ I am starting to think that to some, any criticism of Kate is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Limabeany on October 23, 2014, 01:58:53 PM
Quote from: Canuck on October 23, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
I don't mean to lump all criticism together, Lady Adams, but there are some posters who are making both of those contradictory criticisms themselves (and similarly on other issues).  I just try to keep my posts a bit vague so I'm not "calling out" particular posters for that issue.

I think many of us had some measured criticism of the dress, but there were others saying Kate looked cheap, like a z-list celebrity, wasn't appropriate, etc., which I would consider "harsh" given that she's showing a hint of cleavage and a slit just above the knee.   :shrug:
Perhaps, comments and criticism can be answered on a case by case basis instead of assuming an attitude of contempt for all and any criticism based on personal sensitivities to criticism aimed at Kate Middleton. And posters can be addressed for what they post on a particular thread regardless of the level of sensitivity and tolerance for criticism of Kate Middleton. Many z-list celebrities work their bums off, which, regardless of how I feel about their lifestyles, I, at least, respect. Perhaps, what you call keeping posts vague, may not be as respectful or conducive to dialogue as a broader and less personal perspective on celebrity and royal celebrity. Criticism doesn't need to be "measured" as in tailored to the sensitivities of those who deem royals as people to be addressed by their titles and bowed to, it needs to be respectful of the forum rules and posters should not be attacked or mocked or criticized or sneered at for expressing their views according to the forum rules, softness or harshness are qualities that are too relative, subjective and personal and we are not here to judge posters but royals, celebrities and the subjects of the threads.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 23, 2014, 02:33:35 PM
Lady Adams, I wouldn't describe anything in this thread as "unacceptable", I just disagree with some of it.  That's true for the vast majority of things posted here -- I've very rarely seen things I would call unacceptable, but there are plenty of things I disagree (and agree!) with.

Limabeany, I'm not sure where you're getting "contempt" from.  I do my best to participate here in a way that isn't disrespectful to any of the other members.  I certainly try to avoid attacking, mocking, or sneering at others, though I absolutely do criticize the opinions expressed sometimes (as I think is welcome on this forum). 

By contrast, this is the third or fourth time in the past little while that you've directly criticized me for expressing my opinions.  I've tried to get clarification as to whether I'm actually violating any rules, and I've never been told I am.  If I'm not, then I would gently suggest that it would be conducive to keeping the focus on Royals and broader issues if you used your moderator powers to let me know when I've broken the rules but otherwise didn't keep making things personal when I disagree with your opinions.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Limabeany on October 23, 2014, 02:39:02 PM
I wasn't aware the post I quoted was a disagreement with my opinion. But, as I have said before, tolerance of posters' opinions is best, classifying posters opinions as "harsh" does not put focus on the royals. Let's do that.  :thumbsup: I have nt dressed you as a moderator but as a poster, which I also am, I wasn't aware your criticism was addressed to me as a moderator or that you are under the impression that all posts by moderators are moderation posts. Unless posts are framed

[mod]like this. [/mod] they are simply posts by members of the forum.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Canuck on October 23, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
Lady Adams let me know that the *only* moderator comments are those appearing in those boxes.  I was not responding to you as a moderator in this thread (except to say that if I was breaking the rules in any way, please do let me know with your moderator powers).
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Eri on October 23, 2014, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: wannable on October 23, 2014, 11:40:45 AM
^ Yup!

The difference, is that Kate hacked it, she pulled off that dress, that is the way it should look with no enhanced blow up plastic surgery, nor too tight fitting. She wears the dress, sexy but at the same time looks dainty IMO.

She has another gala tonight, Rebecca English from the DM has confirmed tweeted she will be there to cover the story.
Of course ...
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: HistoryGirl on October 23, 2014, 03:52:15 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 23, 2014, 01:58:53 PM
Criticism doesn't need to be "measured" as in tailored to the sensitivities of those who deem royals as people to be addressed by their titles and bowed to

Huzzah for this quote.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
^^ I am starting to think that to some, any criticism of Kate is unacceptable. 

I don't think there has ever been a suggestion that any criticism is unacceptable.  But certainly if a poster thinks a criticism is harsh, that's simply their opinion, like any other opinion.

Cindy
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: TLLK on October 24, 2014, 01:42:58 AM
Quote from: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
^^ I am starting to think that to some, any criticism of Kate is unacceptable. 

I don't think there has ever been a suggestion that any criticism is unacceptable.  But certainly if a poster thinks a criticism is harsh, that's simply their opinion, like any other opinion.

Cindy
Agreed. I'd expect on a discussion board that there will be back-and-forth dialogue. Voicing an objection or an agreement to a remark is all part of the dynamic.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: FanDianaFancy on October 24, 2014, 02:05:39 AM
That  gown  was  gorgeous.  Modern. Trendy.

BUT I see how  some can say  it  was  more  Hollywood than BRF=Princess.
The dress part was thigh  high.   Put  emphasis on  thigh  high, LOL.  Ankle strap  heels.
  Criss cross  at  bust area.


Yeah, I  get why, how  you would  say  that.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: DaisyMeRollin on October 24, 2014, 02:20:12 AM
Quote from: cinrit on October 23, 2014, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 23, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
^^ I am starting to think that to some, any criticism of Kate is unacceptable. 

I don't think there has ever been a suggestion that any criticism is unacceptable.  But certainly if a poster thinks a criticism is harsh, that's simply their opinion, like any other opinion.

Cindy

Eh.....That's debatable. There are some that shirk taking responsibility for their words and refuse citation of information, when questioned on their lapse in reciprocal courtesy/rationale of proper argumentation in debates (which the rules seem to go out the window pretty damn often), they turn around and accuse others of "trolling" or start throwing out strawmen based on generalizations. Last time I checked, that's not a means of persuasive argumentation or effective argumentation.

Apparently, if you disagree with a certain topic, you're automatically one of those people (!), which deteriorates the discussion further. So, is "keeping it vague" conducive in instances where people claim to have conclusive evidence, or not? It can be perceived as a convenient cop-out, but that depends on where you stand.

Anyway, Kate always looks nice in blue.  :thumbsup:  That might be my color-bias speaking though.

EDIT: The biggest compromise I have to make on here is ZERO citation or citation of sources that would not fly based on MLA standards. But hey! Just a pet peeve of mine that stems from my career-field.
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: TLLK on October 24, 2014, 03:32:45 AM
 I agree and it covers the pro-con side of the discussions.^^^
Title: Re: Duchess of Cambridge - @ Wildlife Photographer of the Year Awards
Post by: Macrobug on October 24, 2014, 04:45:25 AM
Was looking at the winning photos.  The lions are lovely but I can't get the photo of the fox cub out of my head.  What a heartbreaking photo.  Maybe I am anthropomorphizing but I can see the pleading and desperation in the little guy's eyes.   :(