The Duchess of Cornwall was added to the Privy Council.
The Queen elevated Camilla to advisory body, the Privy Council | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/678872/Is-Camilla-s-promotion-f)...
Insert giant eye roll here...seems like this from the article "Ever since Charles and Camilla announced their engagement in 2005, courtiers have privately suggested Charles would like her to become his Queen.
Publicly Clarence House has insisted she had no desire for the role and wanted to be known as "Princess Consort" This was because of the respect in which her predecessor Princess Diana was held and the controversy over her affair with Charles. "
is not going to be honored. Such a shame the Queen is doing Charles dirty work of making her transition to Queen Consort easier. Wish we could bring Ed VIII and Wallis back from the dead to get their viewpoint on this, they must be spinning. Seems in her final years shes counting on the fact people either remember or care less about it, and undoing all the goodwill of trying to erase the "stain" of the abdication crisis and that the windsors would rededicate themselves to duty.
Since her 90th b-day she figures her story of being ever dutiful has been written and she can now do what she likes, the press will want to stay on Charles good side post coronation.
Apparently no one has read the comments not one of them is favorable. I wouldn't be surprised if Charles is badgering his mother to elevate Camilla given the high esteem the Queen is held to Charles if it is seen the Queen approves the public will too. Wrong again read the comments below the article.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on September 10, 2016, 11:16:06 PM
The Duchess of Cornwall was added to the Privy Council.
The Queen elevated Camilla to advisory body, the Privy Council | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/678872/Is-Camilla-s-promotion-f)...
List of Royal members of the Privy Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Royal_members_of_the_Privy_Council)
IMHO the addition of William and Camilla to the Privy Council has more to do with preparation and ensuring a smooth transition from one reign to the next rather than a "signal" that Camilla will have the title of Queen.
Above I've added additional information as to current and past royal members of the Privy Council which at the present includes the DoE as the monarch's consort. Prince Albert served on Victoria's Privy Council. After WWII, The Queen was added to the Privy Council during her father's reign as his heir as was her husband Phillip. It appears that the addition of female members was accepted as a new norm during this time.
IMHO the addition of the Duke of Cambridge (Charles' heir) and the Duchess of Cornwall is to be expected considering that the Duke of Edinburgh is elderly and William and Camilla will play significant roles during the transition from one reign to the next. No matter which title is given to Camilla upon Charles' ascension, as consort it is not unexpected that she would be a member of the Privy Council. Other European monarchies have similar arrangements. Had Charles and Diana remained married, I do believe that she would have been appointed due to her position as the consort to the future monarch.
It means she will stand on PC side when Queen dies. The question is when she dies. It can be a year, it can be next 10-15 years. BTW there is an article about preparations for Charles as a king :Jen:
Of course she will be Queen Consort. And it's plain logical to add her in the privy council.
Prince Charles and her shan't walk on eggs at this age and day 21st century. Yesteryears of divorce and remarriage scandal, today is like breathing.
Other Royal monarchies have divorced and remarried women with child et all from a first marriage.
From the linked article in the OP
Publicly Clarence House has insisted she had no desire for the role and wanted to be known as “Princess Consort” This was because of the respect in which her predecessor Princess Diana was held and the controversy over her affair with Charles. "
Quote from: wannable on September 11, 2016, 01:45:57 PM
Of course she will be Queen Consort. And it's plain logical to add her in the privy council.
Prince Charles and her shan't walk on eggs at this age and day 21st century. Yesteryears of divorce and remarriage scandal, today is like breathing.
Other Royal monarchies have divorced and remarried women with child et all from a first marriage.
I still believe that Camilla doesn't care to be titled as Queen when Charles' reign begins, but it will be interesting to see what will unfold. :)
I agree
@TLLK on both of your posts, it could just be hype the site is trying to generate, anything that has Camilla stepping into the last of Dianas "shoes" so to speak is going to raise the hackles of Diana fans as the coronation gets closer and closer.
Quote from: TLLK on September 11, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Quote from: wannable on September 11, 2016, 01:45:57 PM
Of course she will be Queen Consort. And it's plain logical to add her in the privy council.
Prince Charles and her shan't walk on eggs at this age and day 21st century. Yesteryears of divorce and remarriage scandal, today is like breathing.
Other Royal monarchies have divorced and remarried women with child et all from a first marriage.
I still believe that Camilla doesn't care to be titled as Queen when Charles' reign begins, but it will be interesting to see what will unfold. :)
I think cam has gotten thick skinned over the years as a duchess. whether she and the public wants the Queen consort title, if charles wants it then she'll get it.
I think she wants to be called Queen as Kate wants to be called Princess Kate rather than just plain Duchess Kate..they should be happy to have any title to be frank :girlblush: :royalsneeze:
I think if theres any change from whats been discussed before, itll prob come from Charles. He will be king then, his mother wont be around and im assuming PP will go before her if usual life expectancy tables and such hold true, so he may wish to flex his king muscles. It will depend on how far in the future it is from now and how well their patch and Spackle job of Camillas image goes.
Once Charles become King, William id imagine will become PoW and Kate would become Kate, Princess of Wales.
Quote from: michelle0187 on September 12, 2016, 01:26:15 AM
Quote from: TLLK on September 11, 2016, 09:29:31 PM
Quote from: wannable on September 11, 2016, 01:45:57 PM
Of course she will be Queen Consort. And it's plain logical to add her in the privy council.
Prince Charles and her shan't walk on eggs at this age and day 21st century. Yesteryears of divorce and remarriage scandal, today is like breathing.
Other Royal monarchies have divorced and remarried women with child et all from a first marriage.
I still believe that Camilla doesn't care to be titled as Queen when Charles' reign begins, but it will be interesting to see what will unfold. :)
I think cam has gotten thick skinned over the years as a duchess. whether she and the public wants the Queen consort title, if charles wants it then she'll get it.
Camilla was always thick skinned. One instance her taking over Diana's hostessing duties at Highgrove while Charles and Diana were still married.
Anyone here that doesn't believe Camilla doesn't want the Queen Consort Title IMO is living in fantasyland. Camilla didn't work as hard as she did as mistress of Charles to undermine the marriage of Charles and Diana. Once it was clear that it was possible for Charles to divorce and still remain in line to the throne so too did the possibility of them being able to marry once the Queen Mother passed away. Princess Anne paved the way with her second marriage as they both learned from the divorce public opinion goes a long way and Bolland did his job at the expense of others to make Camilla palatable.
:goodpost: Im sure she WANTS it, but for now shes knows its not time yet to push for it. Charles has long enjoyed the similarities between themselves and their descendants who had an affair, so he will probably do the pushing for her to called Queen Consort once hes king, he'll have all the leverage, and sadly I don't think the govt will have the stomach to make him leave like they did for his great uncle if he does so.
Umpteeth time, Camilla is not going on the world stage, be presented to heads of state, European crowned heads, her members of the aristos, gentry, nobility as princess consort.
NEVER!!
King Charles and Queen Camilla.
Consort is term that people do not use...it is formal.
QEII will be dead. PP too . If PP is not dead, so what.
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my questions is, if by some chance PCharles dies before becoming KofE, how, what will W and H do with CpB. QEII would still be alive.
I do not think W and H would have CPB around and ...
It is pointless to say. pardon me.
this will not happen this way.
QEII has a good 5-10 years left to live. PC and CPB will be K and Q next. they will a good 5-10 years before KC dies.
What year is it now?
2020 until EII dies, then 10 years for KC and CPB, 2030.
George and Charlote will be around 18 and 20.
W and K, 53.
it seems odd and far off when you list years, dates, but these people do not die. they have the best med service , constant med service. lack of stress. they do not die until mid 90's.
"my questions is, if by some chance PCharles dies before becoming KofE, how, what will W and H do with CpB. QEII would still be alive.
I do not think W and H would have CPB around and ..."
That would be the best of all outcomes, IMO karmic payback. Im guessing theyd do like Charles Spencer and Diana did with Raine when Earl Spencer died, out the door with stuff packed in black bin bags...maybe Andrew would take her back :lol: :teehee:
I think Charles of course left a will. He probably discussed this with the Queen. Camilla IMO would become Dowager Duchess of Cornwall if the Queen outlives Charles. I don't think William and Harry would have much to do with her. I think Camilla would be well provided for and have a royal residence or maybe live at Raymill most of the time (she might do this already).
Id imagine she'll be well taken care of financially if Charles predeceases her and HM, I doubt we'll see her in the bread lines, I think it would be more the possible royal sidelining from the center of the action that would be the most troubling. At the level they play at they dont have to worry about food, clothing shelter, etc. long gone are the days when Camilla has to hide from the fishmonger when he came ringing for an unpaid bill, seems working on your back has benefits after all :teehee: they mostly play for status and proximity to the regent.
Quote from: Trudie on September 13, 2016, 12:18:33 AM
Anyone here that doesn't believe Camilla doesn't want the Queen Consort Title IMO is living in fantasyland. Camilla didn't work as hard as she did as mistress of Charles to undermine the marriage of Charles and Diana. Once it was clear that it was possible for Charles to divorce and still remain in line to the throne so too did the possibility of them being able to marry once the Queen Mother passed away. Princess Anne paved the way with her second marriage as they both learned from the divorce public opinion goes a long way and Bolland did his job at the expense of others to make Camilla palatable.
Honestly I don't think she has ever cared about the title as long as she ended up with Charles. (Guess this statement marks me as a permanent resident of fantasyland.) :happy17: However it doesn't really matter if she's titled Princess Consort or Queen as she's still going to be considered as the wife of the Head of State. :Jen:
IMO If the title weren't part of the package Camilla would still be the mistress enjoying the perks. Take a good look back at pics of her from 2005 her marriage to 2012 Her smile like the cat who got the cream vs. before. Until Princess Anne remarried and retained her place in line for the throne it wasn't possible nor was Anne ostracised like George Lacelles The Earl of Harewood the Queens cousin.
@Trudie- While I understand your point regarding Camilla and her potential titles, I just don't agree. It's another agree to disagree moment here at the RIF discussion board. :friends:
I think Charles probably is more keen on her having the Queen Consort title than Cam is, he doesnt like having to bow to public pressure or having his wishes or decisions questioned. Shes glad to be on the other side of the velvet rope, although im sure she wouldnt refuse it if offered. :lol:
Liz has other 10/12 Years in her ... therefore I doubt Cam is loosing any sleep about what she might be called when Liz proves Mortal just like she isn't loosing any sleep about not being called Princess of Wales even though she IS Princess of Wales ...
In a great case of royalty governing by the consent of the people, the people only recognize one Princess of Wales, and she rests at Althorp. Neither C or C are gonna weather that bread roll storm so close to HM shuffling off her mortal coil and Charlie getting to finally sit at the big boy table.
Quote from: TLLK on September 17, 2016, 06:09:10 AM
Quote from: Trudie on September 13, 2016, 12:18:33 AM
Anyone here that doesn't believe Camilla doesn't want the Queen Consort Title IMO is living in fantasyland. Camilla didn't work as hard as she did as mistress of Charles to undermine the marriage of Charles and Diana. Once it was clear that it was possible for Charles to divorce and still remain in line to the throne so too did the possibility of them being able to marry once the Queen Mother passed away. Princess Anne paved the way with her second marriage as they both learned from the divorce public opinion goes a long way and Bolland did his job at the expense of others to make Camilla palatable.
Honestly I don't think she has ever cared about the title as long as she ended up with Charles. (Guess this statement marks me as a permanent resident of fantasyland.) :happy17: However it doesn't really matter if she's titled Princess Consort or Queen as she's still going to be considered as the wife of the Head of State. :Jen:
I doubt she'd have given Charles the time of day if he had not been Prince of Wales. She did "end up" with Charles as his mistress before, during and after her marriage. It is immaterial about what she is "considered," not everybody thinks well of the woman to put it mildly.
Quote from: sandy on September 19, 2016, 12:54:05 AM
Quote from: TLLK on September 17, 2016, 06:09:10 AM
Quote from: Trudie on September 13, 2016, 12:18:33 AM
Anyone here that doesn't believe Camilla doesn't want the Queen Consort Title IMO is living in fantasyland. Camilla didn't work as hard as she did as mistress of Charles to undermine the marriage of Charles and Diana. Once it was clear that it was possible for Charles to divorce and still remain in line to the throne so too did the possibility of them being able to marry once the Queen Mother passed away. Princess Anne paved the way with her second marriage as they both learned from the divorce public opinion goes a long way and Bolland did his job at the expense of others to make Camilla palatable.
Honestly I don't think she has ever cared about the title as long as she ended up with Charles. (Guess this statement marks me as a permanent resident of fantasyland.) :happy17: However it doesn't really matter if she's titled Princess Consort or Queen as she's still going to be considered as the wife of the Head of State. :Jen:
I doubt she'd have given Charles the time of day if he had not been Prince of Wales. She did "end up" with Charles as his mistress before, during and after her marriage. It is immaterial about what she is "considered," not everybody thinks well of the woman to put it mildly.
:lol: Sadly for Charles there is likely a list of ladies who would "not have given Charles the time of day had he not been Prince of Wales."
As for how Camilla will be considered by members of the British government, foreign dignitaries, and other Heads of State, I believe that she will be treated as the wife of the reigning monarch. :) In the 21st century I don't find it hard to believe that most will have met a women who have been divorced, romantically involved with and later married to a second or even third husband.
Im sure foreign dignitaries, heads of state, etc. wont make a scene, look at how many reprobate politicians get a warm state welcome. I believe what the other posters are referring to
@TLLK is what the general public feel about her. She does kind of have shades of Hamlets uncle, pouring poison in the ear of the prior marriage so she can step in and take the previous occupants place.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on September 18, 2016, 08:14:28 PM
In a great case of royalty governing by the consent of the people, the people only recognize one Princess of Wales, and she rests at Althorp. Neither C or C are gonna weather that bread roll storm so close to HM shuffling off her mortal coil and Charlie getting to finally sit at the big boy table.
No one "owns" that Title as both Kate and George's wife will be Princesses of Wales one Day and it will go on and on ... again ... the woman has everything her heart desires and isn't bothered no matter how much Di fans want her to be ...
If thats so why hasnt she taken the title? Because all of Mark Bollands media spin work would be undone. If theyd have tried it in 2005 that pic of them in their car being jostled during a protest would have been childs play. Until William is next in line and made PoW and Kate takes over as PoW, the people of UK and the world will always see Diana as Princess of Wales. Camilla is the Tonya Harding of royalty (all you millennials who drank the Bolland kool aid will have to look up that reference or ask your parents :lol:)
Once the BRF wanted us to believe the taxpayer funded fairytale, and then they decided to chuck it down the loo, im afraid they are stuck with people seeing Diana that way, Camilla will always be the trollop he banged on the side that guilted him into marriage after Charles was an idiot and ruined her marriage with APB by outing the whole situation.
Forget about the title Camilla is being given the courtesy of being the wife of the heir who can now take the throne at anytime in the near future given the age of The Queen. Charles didn't spend all that money to rehab Camilla to sideline her now that he is virtually within a heart beat of becoming The King.
Well Charles DID hit a deer with his car recently
@Trudie , we can only hope the deer will be more skillful next time, although those pesky SUV's are so darn safe..... :lol:
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on September 19, 2016, 05:20:27 PM
If thats so why hasnt she taken the title? Because all of Mark Bollands media spin work would be undone. If theyd have tried it in 2005 that pic of them in their car being jostled during a protest would have been childs play. Until William is next in line and made PoW and Kate takes over as PoW, the people of UK and the world will always see Diana as Princess of Wales. Camilla is the Tonya Harding of royalty (all you millennials who drank the Bolland kool aid will have to look up that reference or ask your parents :lol:)
Once the BRF wanted us to believe the taxpayer funded fairytale, and then they decided to chuck it down the loo, im afraid they are stuck with people seeing Diana that way, Camilla will always be the *** he banged on the side that guilted him into marriage after Charles was an idiot and ruined her marriage with APB by outing the whole situation.
She HAS TAKEN the Title the minute she married him as HE is the only one who owns that Title and whoever marries him has it she just doesn't use it ... as for people's reaction to whenever she starts using it ... well ... hate to break it to you but you would be alone in taking into the streets if that happens as no one under 40 cares about a woman who died 20 Years ago ...
^ Apparently Eri you care very much for a woman who died 20 years ago you seem more then willing to bash her every chance you get. As for the Title Charles doesn't own it the crown does and it is not an automatic title bestowed on the heir at birth or in Charles case once his mother ascended the throne unlike the Duke of Cornwall title.
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@Trudie also Eri, if no one cares about her using it, then why hasnt she taken it when she clearly has no problem stepping into a dead womans shoes? She knows till Charles warms the throne, she still needs to play on the publics good graces. Especially if chuck keeps smacking into deer, one of these days his luck may run out :notworthy:, and if so we'll see how much the press spin of W&H liking her will be real. She may want to call up Raine to see what kind of bin bags will hold her stuff best, as it wouldnt surprise me if the boy's Spencer heritage kicks in and they give her stuff the old heave ho :lol: :teehee: :lol:
^ The reason she doesn't use the Title is out of respect for Will and Harry not the public ... the woman knows she will never be miss popularity and never cared ...
The reason she doesn't use it is not out of respect for Will and Harry it is because the Queen is the one who decides the formal title. Search Camilla's title and you will see why and it all had to due to public sentiment for Diana. The HRH had the Queen chosen to do it could have been withheld as well like The Duchess of Windsor since that is also at the discretion of the Monarch.
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@Trudie although im sure the kids would say Wallis Simpson is SO 20th century LOLZ somehow I doubt she doesnt take the title out of respect for W&H, ill bet she views them as another woman's encumbrances on her previous arrangement. More likely shes currying Charles favor by trying to make his life easier, and tiptoe around the BRF until he either gets the crown or gets skewered by a deer.
Despite what gets thrown around in the press by C&C, we'll see the real deal when/if they take the throne.
Quote from: Trudie on September 25, 2016, 05:05:05 PM
The reason she doesn't use it is not out of respect for Will and Harry it is because the Queen is the one who decides the formal title. Search Camilla's title and you will see why and it all had to due to public sentiment for Diana. The HRH had the Queen chosen to do it could have been withheld as well like The Duchess of Windsor since that is also at the discretion of the Monarch.
From Wiki
1.After becoming Duchess of Cornwall, Camilla automatically acquired rank as the second highest female in the United Kingdom Order of Precedence (after the Queen)
2.Because the title Princess of Wales became strongly associated with the previous holder of that title, Diana, Camilla has adopted the feminine form of her husband's highest-ranking subsidiary title, Duke of Cornwall, although
legally she is Princess of Wales
if Prince Charles becomes king,[216][217] Clarence House stated on the occasion of their wedding in 2005 that it is intended that Camilla will adopt the unprecedented style of Princess Consort instead.[218] The title is similar to the style of Prince Albert. This is not the same usage as her father-in-law, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, who does not hold the title of Prince Consort although he was created a Prince of the United Kingdom by his wife, Queen Elizabeth II.The Queen has showered Camilla with Titles and has never said she isn't what she indeed is which is PRINCESS OF WALES so I don't get what you are saying there ... some really need to get over how they feel about the woman and face reality ...
This is the best you can google the unreliable Wikipedia I suggest you search further.
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@Trudie also it seems as ive touched on other posts, that all the royals under the Queen that are married, except for Anne are going by their Duke or Earl title. Given the recent talk by Ingrid Seward about how Charles feared for his life after Dianas death, he was not eager to raise the public's wrath when it was still a big triumph to get people to try and accept his backstabbing, treacherous lover as his new wife.
Quote from: Trudie on September 27, 2016, 02:25:35 PM
This is the best you can google the unreliable Wikipedia I suggest you search further.
No fan of Wiki myself but those are hard core facts about Cam's Titles ... no need to search further as every site on the Internet would give me the same results ...
^ No they are only hard core facts to you and let us not forget Camilla still has to curtsy to Princess Anne, Princess Alexandra and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie when old Charlie isn't with her. This was set forth by the Queen and BTW The Queen didn't shower her with titles she as Charlies wife takes on the feminine form of his titles just as a commoner takes on her husbands name as Mrs. Thomas Jones get the concept now?
Quote from: Trudie on October 09, 2016, 02:50:24 AM
^ No they are only hard core facts to you and let us not forget Camilla still has to curtsy to Princess Anne, Princess Alexandra and Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie when old Charlie isn't with her. This was set forth by the Queen and BTW The Queen didn't shower her with titles she as Charlies wife takes on the feminine form of his titles just as a commoner takes on her husbands name as Mrs. Thomas Jones get the concept now?
I've read that Anne was annoyed that she had to curtsy to her former sisters-in-law who outranked her as Princess of Wales and Duchess of York. When Edward married Sophie this now meant that Anne would have another commoner sister-in-law that she'd have to curtsy to again. AFAIK this had been an issue from the 1980's and 1990's and was not in response to Charles' marriage to Camilla. :Jen:
True but the issue wasn't resolved until Camilla married in which speaks volumes 6 years after Sophie married Edward and at the time Sophie until the Queen mothers death was third lady in the land moving up to number two.