Princes William and Harry to learn 'truth’ of Diana murder claims

[SophieChloe]

-I think if she had gotten to the hospital sooner she would have had a chance and I am not the only one who commented on the overlong trip to the hospital. When I see news reports about accidents and people airlifted from them I think why could not Diana have been airlifted?

Yes...why? 

IMO they wanted her out of the way.

[FanDianaFancy]

Seatbelts?
What for?
Some of us  are getting us mixed up with them.US and Them do not live in the same world.

(I am not referring to TLLK  . I  wanted to post this before I read your  post. Thank  you for sharing that.  Still,for you and yours, that  is a  very  hurt  that  will not  leave. You  have  all your good memories to  keep   you.)

Seatbelt?
There was not need for her, them to wear seatbelts in their world.  Usually, they in their world  have  a lead  car. Follow  car. Blocked streets  by police, etc.  All of this or some of this.
The automobile, as I recall reading , hearing  on the news then   was  like a tank. It  was not a Mercedes that   your aunt, you, your sister, etc. has.   Pardon me if  I have that wrong.

She should  have had  her own sercurity  team and proper security. I know I am repeating myself. She  was a bit  bullheaded there.
TRJones , it was said wearing a seatbelt, and he  was left so-so. He will never be the same.
The back of the  car  was  smashed down like a tin can. Crushed.   Jaws of life were defintely needed  to cut that mangled mess  of  metal apart.
Diana inquest: Mercedes will finally be crushed - Telegraph
If she had a seatbelt and lived, the quality  of her life  would have  been ,no doubt, very  small if  perhaps  of any quality.

Some of us believe  being  alive is great no matter what  and that  is fine.  Some of  us  believe the opposite. 
Airlifting? Airlife? I forgot  what you  call it here in the USA.
Maybe in France,they  did not have that  then. I do not know. I am just throwing that out there.

Double post auto-merged: April 25, 2014, 10:36:37 PM

The car
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/politics97/diana/endingcar.html

from BBC report.Pardon me for remembering it  was a rental.

Article states a seatblet really  could  not have prevetned  her death and that of DF.

[TLLK]

Thank you to everyone for your kind remarks about my brother.  :hug:

[sandy]

^ But when you have internal bleeding you can't be on a speeding ambulance or you would die in the ambulance but I guess someone who knows more than me can explain it better ... besides that she did go on the Hospital and they operated her for an hour (if I am not mistaken) so ...

There are serious cases involving bleeding and yes, the medics need to get them to a hospital ASAP. So they are airlifted not put in a very very slow ambulance. She had a second heart attack when she got to the hospital after that extremely long ambulance ride.
Double post auto-merged: April 25, 2014, 11:57:05 PM

TLLK  :hug: ...as for Di I am no expert but Ive heard that her injuries didn't permit the ambulance to go on full speed or she would have died in the ambulance again given the severity of her injuries that makes sense to me but again I am no expert ...

As I said, once, I am no believer in conspiracy theories but the amount of inconsistencies, questions and preventing people from further investigating convinced me there is stuff to hide and very few would have a reason to ask for and obtain those favors... The ambulance couldn't go on full speed because of her injuries? That is when they are supposed to go full speed...

That is so true. The patient who has broken bones (which hurt) or broken hip needs to get to the hospital ASAP. Or someone who is bleeding from a wound needs to get there. And so on.

[Mike]

Does anyone here believe that if Diana was murdered by anyone associated with The Firm or government (which I don't) that William and Harry would ever be told?  Such a revelation would show her sons that their own family couldn't be trusted.

[Limabeany]

:hmm: I can't think of anyone else to whom she was more convenient dead and over with...  They will never know... I don't believe in coincidence + coincidence + keeping people away/uninformed = nothing...

[FanDianaFancy]

If she  were  killed in a planned way  by  PC, Camilla, The ScotYard, TPTB, PP, The British Govt, Muslim terriosts, etc., NO, PH and PW  would never be told.

I  do not  believe PP, PC, Camila, The ScotYard, The British Govt.,  QEII, TPTB, the nobility ,  the  Muslim  terriosts, Muslim world etc.   and other thing  of this like the   crazy  conspriacists want  to put out there.

I  believe it  was simply  was  as  how it happened.

YES, why the 45 min wait  and work on in ann ambulance?  Is that how it is or how it was done in Paris? Their resources or lack of of  resources, etc.?

Princess Diana, world famous icon, mother  of  Princes William and Henry, rich, born of the nobility  in England, White was  dating  a MUSLIM.  Yes, he  was superich, well, his father, but he was Muslim.
This  , if she had amrried him or  had a child by him   would have shaken up the Class  system of the nobility. The  Princes  William and Henry  have  a  Muslim , illegtimate sister  or brother and stepfather.

I  do not believe PD was pregnant  or  was going to marry  DF.  She was first and foremost  of the nobility. Many  of her  enemies  there have  said she wanted to bring down the  world  of the BRF, the nobility. Silly. She was of that and was that stupid.

I  keep saying here,  really, TPTB, PC, Camilla,  have not lost a days' sleep since she died. She  made  life so easy  by dying  for  so many.
Why  the awful, one-sided  views here about a dead woman whoose death made  life so wonderful, easy  and convenient  for  PC and C.

She is dead. it ahppend as it did. Yes, loose   with  the  aftermath of her care. 
I believe it happened  all as it did.

[Queen Camilla]

Seatbelts?
There was not need for her, them to wear seatbelts in their world.  Usually, they in their world  have  a lead  car. Follow  car. Blocked streets  by police, etc.  All of this or some of this.
The automobile, as I recall reading , hearing  on the news then   was  like a tank. It  was not a Mercedes that   your aunt, you, your sister, etc. has.   Pardon me if  I have that wrong.

She should  have had  her own sercurity  team and proper security. I know I am repeating myself. She  was a bit  bullheaded there.
TRJones , it was said wearing a seatbelt, and he  was left so-so. He will never be the same.
The back of the  car  was  smashed down like a tin can. Crushed.   Jaws of life were defintely needed  to cut that mangled mess  of  metal apart.
Diana inquest: Mercedes will finally be crushed - Telegraph
If she had a seatbelt and lived, the quality  of her life  would have  been ,no doubt, very  small if  perhaps  of any quality.

Article states a seatblet really  could  not have prevetned  her death and that of DF.

I agreed with this post but not your later post. (C&C had a harder time because of her death.)

There is no way anyone could have planned to kill Diana or was involved with her death.

She and Dodi spent most of the evening going back & front trying to decide where there were going to eat.

It was an accident.  If you read the timeline of events of the entire day you can only come to the same conclusion.

As for the seat belt, she may not have had time to put in on.  She might have first felt safe without in on but when they started speeding she didn't have time.  IIRC, from the time they left the hotel the final time to the accident was about 5 minutes.   Also some people have stated that even if she had the seat belt on it probably would not have made a difference as it was her side of the car that slammed into the post.
Double post auto-merged: April 28, 2014, 01:52:41 PM

Does anyone here believe that if Diana was murdered by anyone associated with The Firm or government (which I don't) that William and Harry would ever be told?  Such a revelation would show her sons that their own family couldn't be trusted.

No secret is ever a secret.  Everything comes out sooner or later. 

But since it was an accident there is no secret.

[sandy]

Seatbelts?
There was not need for her, them to wear seatbelts in their world.  Usually, they in their world  have  a lead  car. Follow  car. Blocked streets  by police, etc.  All of this or some of this.
The automobile, as I recall reading , hearing  on the news then   was  like a tank. It  was not a Mercedes that   your aunt, you, your sister, etc. has.   Pardon me if  I have that wrong.

She should  have had  her own sercurity  team and proper security. I know I am repeating myself. She  was a bit  bullheaded there.
TRJones , it was said wearing a seatbelt, and he  was left so-so. He will never be the same.
The back of the  car  was  smashed down like a tin can. Crushed.   Jaws of life were defintely needed  to cut that mangled mess  of  metal apart.
Diana inquest: Mercedes will finally be crushed - Telegraph
If she had a seatbelt and lived, the quality  of her life  would have  been ,no doubt, very  small if  perhaps  of any quality.

Article states a seatblet really  could  not have prevetned  her death and that of DF.

I agreed with this post but not your later post. (C&C had a harder time because of her death.)

There is no way anyone could have planned to kill Diana or was involved with her death.

She and Dodi spent most of the evening going back & front trying to decide where there were going to eat.

It was an accident.  If you read the timeline of events of the entire day you can only come to the same conclusion.

As for the seat belt, she may not have had time to put in on.  She might have first felt safe without in on but when they started speeding she didn't have time.  IIRC, from the time they left the hotel the final time to the accident was about 5 minutes.   Also some people have stated that even if she had the seat belt on it probably would not have made a difference as it was her side of the car that slammed into the post.
Double post auto-merged: April 28, 2014, 01:52:41 PM

Does anyone here believe that if Diana was murdered by anyone associated with The Firm or government (which I don't) that William and Harry would ever be told?  Such a revelation would show her sons that their own family couldn't be trusted.

No secret is ever a secret.  Everything comes out sooner or later. 

But since it was an accident there is no secret.

C and C never had a "harder time" not with the spin campaign they had (or Charles had) at their disposal. 

An "article" is not an inquest nor an oracle. And nobody knows if she would have lived had the seatbelt been buckled. I think the seatbelt was defective.

[Mike]

Also some people have stated that even if she had the seat belt on it probably would not have made a difference as it was her side of the car that slammed into the post.

From what I've read and the photos I've seen, the car struck the pillar head-on; the engine bay being crushed, with the sides sustaining lesser damage.  Is this how others see it?

[Blue Clover]

There's a difference between how French medical teams handle car accidents of this magnitude, and the way the U.S. handles them.  The ambulance drivers followed France's regulations by trying to stabilize Diana on the scene before leaving.  Diana also went into cardiac arrest and had to be resuscitated via CPR before the ambulance could leave the scene.

Cindy

This is true. I'm not sure how this is handled in the UK ,but there are big difference between the U.S. and France with the procedure. My brother was killed in a car accident in 1992. The jeep he was a passenger in was sideswiped by another vehicle. Seat belts were only available in the front seats and my brother was seated in the rear. The accident occurred near a California Highway Patrol office so they were on the scene very quickly as were the fire/paramedic units. He was just minutes away from the Univ. of California Irvine Medical Center which was the regional trauma center. Unfortunately he sustained almost identical injuries as Diana. He was 23, she was 36. Both were young and healthy which would have prompted any trauma team to work for as long as possible. However, their injuries were just too severe and loss of blood (exsanguination) would have been a leading cause of death. Fortunately there were no other fatalities in my brother's accident.

The rate of speed, the narrow lanes and support structures in the Pont de Alma tunnel, lack of car restraints more than likely all played a part in the deaths of three people that evening.  :no:

TLLK,
So sorry to hear about your brother.  :consoling1:  His accident does sound similar to Lady Diana's accident.

I agree about all the elements that led to the tragic outcome in Diana's case. If one or a few things had gone down differently, Diana may be alive today. The lastest movie about Diana, starring Naomi Watts, strongly suggests that any number of factors could have changed Diana's fate. I am also reading the book by Tina Brown and she makes the same suggestions.

[sandy]

Ambulances don't generally go at snail's paces. The equipment is not there that is in the hospital.  It took over an hour to get her there not 30 minutes. It certainly didn't  help her to have the long delay in getting her help only the hospital could provide. Don't get trying to justify this. I certainly would not want a loved one in a slow ambulance. See no excuses or justification for it.  Reagan had gunshot wounds and it was said that if he didn't get to the hospital ASAP he would have been a goner.

[TLLK]

French paramedics and ambulance services treat the victim on site and transport when stable. Many are like mobile emergency rooms with trained technicians. They were following policy by attempting to stabilize a patient before transport so that they could take her into the operating room as soon as she arrived. Unfortunately she kept going into  cardiac arrest.  :(

[sandy]

If Reagan had that treatment where there was a very slow ambulance he would not have survived the assassination attempt. He was taken to the hospital pronto. Just because it's a "policy" does not mean it is good treatment for the patient. Airlifting would have given her a better chance. Diana had no chance when put into that extremely slow ambulance.

[Lothwen]

There's a difference between how French medical teams handle car accidents of this magnitude, and the way the U.S. handles them.  The ambulance drivers followed France's regulations by trying to stabilize Diana on the scene before leaving.  Diana also went into cardiac arrest and had to be resuscitated via CPR before the ambulance could leave the scene.

Cindy

This is true. I'm not sure how this is handled in the UK ,but there are big difference between the U.S. and France with the procedure. My brother was killed in a car accident in 1992. The jeep he was a passenger in was sideswiped by another vehicle. Seat belts were only available in the front seats and my brother was seated in the rear. The accident occurred near a California Highway Patrol office so they were on the scene very quickly as were the fire/paramedic units. He was just minutes away from the Univ. of California Irvine Medical Center which was the regional trauma center. Unfortunately he sustained almost identical injuries as Diana. He was 23, she was 36. Both were young and healthy which would have prompted any trauma team to work for as long as possible. However, their injuries were just too severe and loss of blood (exsanguination) would have been a leading cause of death. Fortunately there were no other fatalities in my brother's accident.

The rate of speed, the narrow lanes and support structures in the Pont de Alma tunnel, lack of car restraints more than likely all played a part in the deaths of three people that evening.  :no:

:hug:

I also lost my mother in a car accident because she wasn't wearing her seat belt. In fact, the police told us that had she been wearing it, she would have sustained minor injuries.  Which is not something a grieving child wants to hear....


As for why there were so many inconsistencies, think about this.  You had a former member of the British Royal Family, and mother to the heir, along with the son of a prominent Egyptian billionaire in France. So you have three sovereign nations all with an interest in this one accident. 

[sandy]

I'm sorry to hear about your loss.

But as I said, there is speculation that the seatbelt was malfunctioning in Diana's car. Circumstances that can never be known. The sole survivor Rees Jones has memory loss issues and I doubt what went on in that car as they took off (conversations) will ever be fully known.

Also there has been much comment on that overlong trip to the hospital. Some heart specialists including Christian Barnard thought if she had gotten to a hospital sooner she could have been saved.

[Lothwen]

^If the seat belt were not functioning, then it becomes an episode of the blame game.  Do you blame the makers of the car?  The people who provided the car?  Or Diana and Dodi for riding in the car when the seat belts didn't work?

Unfortunately (and I am in no way, shape, or form blaming the two of them for this), many people do not wear their seat belts.  Like I said, my mom died because she wasn't wearing hers.  And on the way back from planning her funeral, my brother allowed his girlfriend's son to sit on the front console of his truck, without a seat belt, because he was "a safe driver" :thumbsdown:


Again, not blaming her, but many many people have a very relaxed view when it comes to wearing their seat belts.  And honestly, she may have just been thinking about getting out of there as quickly as possible.

[sandy]

There is a larger picture to this than just the seatbelt issue. Dodi disagreed with his father and did not stay at the Ritz overnight like his father advised him to do. He impulsively set up the trip to his apartment instead of staying at the Ritz. It was a last minute switch of cars and drivers. Who knows how much inspection time was given to the car they ultimately chose to go to Dodi's apartment?

Diana was said to buckle up at other times and this was noted in some articles at the time of the accident. Three of the people in that car are no longer with us and Rees Jones has had memory issues.  Nobody knows the thought processes of those in the car. Maybe Diana found the seat belt was not working. Also, if it is true that Rees Jones did buckle up (there are contradictory reports) then as the security he should have made sure the seat belts were functioning to protect his charges or told them to buckle up if the seat belts were working.

[Limabeany]

French paramedics and ambulance services treat the victim on site and transport when stable. Many are like mobile emergency rooms with trained technicians. They were following policy by attempting to stabilize a patient before transport so that they could take her into the operating room as soon as she arrived. Unfortunately she kept going into  cardiac arrest.  :(

What they did was stupid! Hopefully, no one I love will need an ambulance in Paris!  :no: A hospital is a hospital for a purpose!
Double post auto-merged: April 29, 2014, 01:38:18 AM

:goodpost:

Ambulances don't generally go at snail's paces. The equipment is not there that is in the hospital.  It took over an hour to get her there not 30 minutes. It certainly didn't  help her to have the long delay in getting her help only the hospital could provide. Don't get trying to justify this. I certainly would not want a loved one in a slow ambulance. See no excuses or justification for it.  Reagan had gunshot wounds and it was said that if he didn't get to the hospital ASAP he would have been a goner.

There is no reason for this.  :blank:
Double post auto-merged: April 29, 2014, 01:37:58 AM

Sorry, Lothwen.  :hug:

Again, not blaming her, but many many people have a very relaxed view when it comes to wearing their seat belts.  And honestly, she may have just been thinking about getting out of there as quickly as possible.

I don't think many people wore seat belts in the back seat in the nineties...

[amabel]

I believe they stopped twice to give her CPR, so that would slow them down.  Also, the impact had thrown her heart to the right side of her chest, tearing some pulmonary vein which affects both the heart and the lungs.  She was bleeding massively internally, so yes, any bump or sudden start/stop would have killed her immediately.  Once the ambulance left the scene of the accident, they got to the hospital in about 30 minutes.

Cindy

They had to go slowly because she kept going into Cardiac arrest.  If They had rushed, she would have probably died in the ambulance, from the bumping of the ambulance and the difficulty of stabilising her.

[Limabeany]

Only in Paris is this necessary?  :shrug: Even in 3rd world countries they don't turtle back to the hospital...

[cinrit]

^^ No, only when there are probable internal injuries that haven't been identified, and when CPR has to be administered.  They also had to slow down when Diana's blood pressure dropped dramatically and had to be dealt with. 

Cindy

[Limabeany]

That is why there is a driver and paramedics inside, that was shoddy...  :shrug:

[cinrit]

The paramedics can't work on a body that's bouncing around with the movement of the ambulance. 

Cindy

[Limabeany]

There is no reason to believe they couldn't have gone faster... Since, even in Paris, it happens all the time...