Princes William and Harry to learn 'truth’ of Diana murder claims

[sandy]

Nobody here is a doctor--it is well and good to talk about injuries and trauma. But it cannot be proven nor can it be disproven that the slow ride to the hospital was a huge factor in Diana's demise. It is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Double post auto-merged: May 14, 2014, 06:43:53 PM

He had severe injuries. Arguably he could have died if he were placed in a slow ambulance. I think he would have.

Reagan arrived at the hospital via the presidential limo and walked into the ER. It was only then that he began to collapse. He was still conscious on the operating table prior to being anesthetized. It was then that they discovered the extent of his injuries. 

He was surrounded by "people" and did not exactly get there all by himself. He was literally shoved into the limo and whisked away.  He still did not get into a slow moving ambulance. It also proves a point I am making. He got there quickly but obviously he was deteriorating. In a slow ambulance the deterioration would continue at a fast pace and he might not have survived. The doctors had to treat him Pronto.
Double post auto-merged: May 14, 2014, 06:52:48 PM

Sandy, I am responding to what you say literally, word-for-word, which is what we do on forums.  That is not "word games".

Cindy

My point was clear but you get into questioning meanings and words like a teacher and ask me to explain. I call them word games and I think in some cases it just an attempt to go off topic so I can explain "what I meant".  If you are confused about anything, why not look at the posts I respond to. It does deteriorate into word games.  You know the topic better than that  and since we went through it before in earlier discussions I don';t get why you are confused now. The massage only could be given in the hospital if you are still confused and by the time she got there from the ambulance it was too little too late and the woman passed away. Get it now Cindy?

Quote from: sandy on May 14, 2014, 09:59:28 PM

    What was an important factor in her demise is that they did not get her to the hospital in time for the massage.


I'm confused.  They did do open chest cardiac massage on Diana in the hospital.  If they didn't do it in the hospital, where did they do it?  You, yourself, say that they didn't do it in the ambulance.

Quote from: sandy

    The doctors had to open her chest and massage her heart something not possible in the dinky ambulance.

Honestly Cindy, your answer to my post saying you are "confused" is nothing more than double talk to try to put down the post. You can deny it all you want but just looking at the last exchange is a clear case of word games and trying to trip up another poster. I'll say no more.

[Macrobug]

Would you settle for a Nurse Practitioner?    :P    You are right.  None of us were there and none of us ( that I know of) have read the official medical records.  We don't know what injuries she had.  We don't know if she received the right treatment.  We don't know if the Scoop and Run system would have saved her nor do we know if the French system contributed to her death.

What I do know is that the type of injury that it has been reported that Diana received has a very poor outcome and very few people survive it.  No matter what type of EMR system is in place.

[sandy]

Diana had no choice of who she could "settle with" the woman was unconscious.  I doubt families with loved ones in danger would settle for Nurse Practitioners when there are skilled physicians on duty with all the resources a good hospital would have to offer.

[TLLK]

If the nurse practitioner was trained in trauma services and worked in an emergency room then I would choose her/him over a doctor that was not. I hope that a doctor who was not trained in those areas would also step aside for a more qualified candidate.

[TLLK]

Would you settle for a Nurse Practitioner?    :P    You are right.  None of us were there and none of us ( that I know of) have read the official medical records.  We don't know what injuries she had.  We don't know if she received the right treatment.  We don't know if the Scoop and Run system would have saved her nor do we know if the French system contributed to her death.

What I do know is that the type of injury that it has been reported that Diana received has a very poor outcome and very few people survive it.  No matter what type of EMR system is in place.

Thank you again for sharing your medical knowledge and understanding of hospital procedure with us.

[Macrobug]

 :blowkiss:

[sandy]

Would people who defend the slow ambulance not think it a good thing if it turned out and could be proven that the slow ambulance was the factor that killed her? I know it will never be proven or disproven and is subject to speculation. But I don't get the zealous defense of a shoddy procedure.  Imagine a family that experiences this where it takes forever to get a beloved relative to a hospital for treatment.  It is what the system "did" but it does not make it great as far as medical procedures and care in France. And none of us are doctors or were actually there.

I keep hearing on the news about  heart patients "rushed to the hospital" not "slowed down to the hospital."

[TLLK]

I can see the logic in bringing the trauma services (doctor(s),nurse(s) equipment, medication etc..) and moving slowly to avoid further injury to a patient  as well as transporting a patient rapidly to an awaiting team. Macrobug has the medical knowledge/experience to share her thoughts on the subject and she can see the advantages/disadvantages that each has. Her explanation of SAMU and the "scope and run" systems make sense to me.  I won't call either system shoddy as I do not possess the knowledge or experience to make that determination.

[Limabeany]

IMO, a snail pace ambulance isn't an acceptable option for critically injured patients...  :shrug:

[cinrit]

Even if there's the trauma unit inside?  I see the advantages to both systems, actually.  They both seem to work, since individual countries continue to use their chosen method. 

Cindy

[TLLK]

From my reading it appears that most of Europe uses the Franco-German model. One of the exceptions is the Netherlands.

[sandy]

It still is flawed. 

I can see the logic in bringing the trauma services (doctor(s),nurse(s) equipment, medication etc..) and moving slowly to avoid further injury to a patient  as well as transporting a patient rapidly to an awaiting team. Macrobug has the medical knowledge/experience to share her thoughts on the subject and she can see the advantages/disadvantages that each has. Her explanation of SAMU and the "scope and run" systems make sense to me.  I won't call either system shoddy as I do not possess the knowledge or experience to make that determination.

Macrobug does have knowledge but does not have the perspective of specialists who deal with cases like Diana's or those who were on hand at the scene. And each person is an individual. Patients do not come in cookie cutters and what might work for one may not work for another.

[Limabeany]

[mod]Ladies and gentlemen: it seems this topic has run its course and we are simply playing ping pong with each other's perspectives, perhaps it is time to move on to more open-ended and thrilling threads! :RAFWilliam: [/mod]