The Coronation

Macrobug67 · September 22, 2022, 09:26:42 PM

I doubt it will be used. Apparently it is horrible to ride in. The late Queen declared it a dreadful ride to her coronation. I think KC will use the glass coach, if he uses one at all. I see him more likely using one of cars.

Princess Cassandra · September 24, 2022, 08:12:14 PM

Quote from: Curryong on September 22, 2022, 02:25:13 AM
Yes, it was lovely. I can see myself now looking through it as a child, in Grandma?s bedroom. When she died I was only a teenager. Her house was lived in by other relatives at the time and my uncle got it. I was in Australia then when he died. He had no children and I don?t know what happened to it after that. Shame!

Especially if you were the grandchild most interested in the history of it.

LouisFerdinand · September 24, 2022, 11:46:27 PM

Queen Elizabeth II had six coronation maids. Will Queen Camilla have coronation maids?

Princess Cassandra · September 25, 2022, 12:01:44 AM

You can add that to a list of things unknown at this stage. The economy is not good, and we know that the King has been taking steps to slim things down; at the very least we can expect a less grand coronation than in the past. By the way, I read that Phillip tried very hard to make the 1953 coronation more streamlined and modern, but the Queen Mother and influential court figures thwarted him at every step. About the only thing he got his way on was having it televised. It always amazes me at how Prince Phillip was a man so way ahead of his time!

Nightowl · September 25, 2022, 12:14:12 AM

I like you have liked Prince Philip, I think he had a great sense of humor and could really read the public and then say something to make people gasp and the reporters go nuts with headlines......I got many of a huge laugh from him that I will miss very much.

TLLK · September 25, 2022, 02:48:05 AM

Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 25, 2022, 12:01:44 AM
You can add that to a list of things unknown at this stage. The economy is not good, and we know that the King has been taking steps to slim things down; at the very least we can expect a less grand coronation than in the past. By the way, I read that Phillip tried very hard to make the 1953 coronation more streamlined and modern, but the Queen Mother and influential court figures thwarted him at every step. About the only thing he got his way on was having it televised. It always amazes me at how Prince Phillip was a man so way ahead of his time!

The only reason I can think of as to why their might be attendants for the processions is that if the King and Queen are garbed in the long robes, there is a need to have assistance with yards/meters of trailing heavy fabric with the use of attendants. Now I am inclined to believe that Camilla might not be physically capable at this point in her life with a long trailing robe, so that aspect might be adapted to suit her physical comfort.

Curryong · September 25, 2022, 03:00:52 AM

Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 25, 2022, 12:01:44 AM
You can add that to a list of things unknown at this stage. The economy is not good, and we know that the King has been taking steps to slim things down; at the very least we can expect a less grand coronation than in the past. By the way, I read that Phillip tried very hard to make the 1953 coronation more streamlined and modern, but the Queen Mother and influential court figures thwarted him at every step. About the only thing he got his way on was having it televised. It always amazes me at how Prince Phillip was a man so way ahead of his time!

I also think the ceremony and procession outside will be very foreshortened for Charles in comparison to the Coronation of 1953. For one thing there was an Empire then and a fully active House of Lords.

Philip was indeed a man before his time in many ways, and some of the Queen?s senior courtiers and advisers had been with her father and grandfather.

However a couple of things to remember about that Coronation. Britain had only fairly recently gone through an exhausting and depleting Second World War. The Government were anxious to reinforce British prestige and remind other countries that they were among the victors and had been there unconquered, uninvaded, from beginning to end, from 1939 to 1945.

Another thing was that 1953 was still partly Austerity Britain. There were still bomb sites around (I can remember them) and rationing of all sorts of things had only just finished. Government and the Queen?s advisers felt that people needed a respite, a spot of colour and sparkle on a grey road back to prosperity. And in 1953 they got that. There are sometimes other things to consider besides economy and expense.

sara8150 · September 25, 2022, 03:56:31 PM

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on September 24, 2022, 11:46:27 PM
Queen Elizabeth II had six coronation maids. Will Queen Camilla have coronation maids?

We have wait and see till coronation Camilla will chosen maids but late Queen Elizabeth II had six maids yes i don?t know who Camilla?s maids will be till reveal be guarded secret

wannable · September 25, 2022, 06:58:46 PM

I honestly think King Charles coronation with Camilla, Queen consort will be pared down to William and Kate by their side.

Watching coronation videos available from George VI, Queen Elizabeth, from street travel, to procession, to standing by the side of the K and Q, this year or next year it will IMO be slimmed down, especially because Kwasi has just deliverd a brilliant economical package for the United Kingdom.

The Firm will be careful OR OR OR HM Government will make a big spending party to bring in billions. (it doesn't sound right to mention so early after HMQEII death, but the Queen's 12 day death Operation Unicorn, London Bridge brought in 1 Billion GBP; especially the Media, seconded by Hospitality Industry...one has to remember that behind each industry there are hundreds of thousands of 'employees' that bring the bacon to their families)

Curryong · September 25, 2022, 08:23:00 PM

The Order of Service for the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.

The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II

Form and Order for the Coronation of King George VI AND his Consort Elizabeth in 1937.

https://manawatuheritage.pncc.govt.nz/item/65b1849f-e9c3-4261-969f-3ea496ced1b5

Curryong · September 25, 2022, 08:35:49 PM

The Coronation cannot be slimmed down too much because a great deal of it consists of a religious form, such as anointing etc which is not only centuries old but vital.. The Sovereign doesn?t have people standing next to him/her other than the Archbishops and other clergy for much of the time. The Prince of Wales pays homage followed by the Royal Dukes and then other Peers in order of seniority, but otherwise does not play a formal role in the Coronation.

LouisFerdinand · September 25, 2022, 10:07:09 PM

I had seen a picture on Pinterest showing Queen Victoria's Maids of Honor. The description declared: Queen Alexandra decided she didn't want the competition & had pages instead.

Curryong · September 25, 2022, 10:21:11 PM

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on September 25, 2022, 10:07:09 PM
I had seen a picture on Pinterest showing Queen Victoria's Maids of Honor. The description declared: Queen Alexandra decided she didn't want the competition & had pages instead.

Queen Victoria had been a girl in her late teens at her Coronation, with all the youth and freshness that implies. Queen Alexandra was a Consort and a woman in her late 60s. She had been acknowledged as a great beauty earlier in her life, but I think it was natural for her not to want Peer?s daughters a quarter her age processing behind her, especially in an age of photography.

Curryong · September 26, 2022, 12:31:19 AM

Whoops that should have been a woman of nearly 60 (in 1902) referring to Queen Alexandra. My maths skills are never at their best in the mornings!

PrincessOfPeace · October 12, 2022, 09:43:20 PM

The Coronation of His Majesty The King will take place on Saturday 6 May 2023 at Westminster Abbey.

The Ceremony will see His Majesty King Charles III crowned alongside The Queen Consort.

sara8150 · October 12, 2022, 09:58:34 PM

Blue Clover · October 12, 2022, 10:05:31 PM

Sara8150, Thanks for the links! :flower:

Curryong · October 12, 2022, 10:18:06 PM

Good that we now know the date. Virtually all the media were predicting June, and various others, including me!! thought a summer Coronation was on the cards. I admit to being surprised it?s early May. Spring can be lovely in England but early May can be just a bit unpredictable weather wise. I hope it doesn?t rain on the day! Unusual that it?s on a Saturday as well, but economically it makes sense.

If, as has been stated, it will be a cutdown ceremony of a little over an hour with much of the pomp and circumstance gone I think a lot of people will decide to stay at home and watch it on TV. London will be packed of course but some overseas tourists might think better of coming in early May rather than taking a summer holiday in Britain.

Incidentally, the Coronation falls on the Jewish Sabbath. Might be a problem for HM?s Jewish subjects.

Charles faces coronation headache as thousands not able to attend as it falls on Sabbath | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Thank you Sara for all the links!

sara8150 · October 12, 2022, 10:33:26 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63232894
Articles says will have no bank holidays on coronation

Moving early May bank holiday to coincide with King's coronation 'on the table', No 10 says | Politics News | Sky News

King Charles III coronation: Controversial jewel may be removed from Queen Camilla's crown | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Plans to crown Queen Consort Camilla with 'stolen' 105-carat diamond could be canned - Mirror Online

Camilla may not be able to wear Queen Mother's crown at Charles' coronation 'because of row over controversial diamond' | The Sun

TLLK · October 13, 2022, 12:37:28 PM

:crown: I'm so pleased to know that there's finally a confirmed date for the Coronation of KCIII. It was no small feat to coordinate the calendars of the monarchy, the British Government, the Church of England and a myriad of other entities.

I expected that the timetable for the Coronation Service would be shortened in part due to the age of the primary participants KCIII and the QC. The actual coverage for the day though will likely be a few hours for the procession to WA and the return to BP. I also expect that the dress code for the Coronation will be more contemporary than it was in 1953. While I expect that the men will be in uniform, morning or lounge suits, I am very curious to see what the royal ladies will be wearing. It's possible that their dress code might be similar to the one for The Netherlands with long dresses/hats for the ladies.

I have faith that the Coronation for KCIII will be full of the pageantry and tradition associated with British Royal events as we just saw with the funeral for the late QEII but the timetable will be shorter than at her Coronation.

sara8150 · October 13, 2022, 09:07:02 PM

King Charles 'wants Camilla to wear the Koh-i-Noor diamond at the Coronation, like his grandmother' | Daily Mail Online

Will Queen Camilla Wear the Queen Mother's Controversial Crown at Coronation

Prince George and Charlotte expected to attend coronation for royal training | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

King Charles 'would like' Camilla to wear controversial diamond for coronation - claim | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

King Charles III coronation: Controversial jewel may be removed from Queen Camilla's crown | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

What is the Koh-i-Noor diamond and will Camilla wear it at the coronation? - Mirror Online

Will we get a bank holiday, how much will it cost and who will be there? Your King Charles Coronation questions answered | The Sun

The last Coronation of a King in Great Britain ? Royal Central

The five most famous moments in coronation history ? Royal Central

The Coronations of the Monarchs of the House of Windsor ? Royal Central
King Charles says want Queen Camilla get this crowned pay tribute to his grandmother the late Queen Mother when his grandmother crowned in 1937 for 85 years and Queen Victoria crowned in 1838 for 184 years but this crowned definitely claimed belong to Queen Victoria and Queen Mother rightful but if Camilla crowned she will broken traditional

Curryong · October 13, 2022, 11:12:46 PM

King Charles 'would like' Camilla to wear controversial diamond for coronation - claim | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Well, if Charles insists on Camilla having this particular crown at the Coronation complete with the Koh-i-Noor then he can expect protests from the Commonwealth about it, and it probably won?t include just India.

Nightowl · October 14, 2022, 12:05:28 AM

Good grief, the lacking of intelligence of the human race all over a darn diamond as if that diamond will change the entire world or the circumstances of anyone involved. Those shouting in protest have nothing better to do with their lives over a diamond they will never own let alone wear.....don't they have better things, more important issues to deal with like hunger, medical or a roof over their heads. Maybe some just like their names in the news to make them feel important and more important ....the PM of India needs to take care of his country and the poor people in it before he makes waves of a diamond.

Curryong · October 14, 2022, 12:40:12 AM

Quote from: Nightowl on October 14, 2022, 12:05:28 AM
Good grief, the lacking of intelligence of the human race all over a darn diamond as if that diamond will change the entire world or the circumstances of anyone involved. Those shouting in protest have nothing better to do with their lives over a diamond they will never own let alone wear.....don't they have better things, more important issues to deal with like hunger, medical or a roof over their heads. Maybe some just like their names in the news to make them feel important and more important ....the PM of India needs to take care of his country and the poor people in it before he makes waves of a diamond.

The problem is however that India and the UK are in the middle of a massively important trade deal at the moment. The UK is in perilous waters economically and the authorities won?t want any controversy. Camilla could in theory wear the crown with the Koh-i-Noor removed and another stone substituted.

Blue Clover · October 14, 2022, 01:55:12 AM

I am looking forward to May 2023. The Coronation is right around the corner, lots of planning to do before then.