The Iffy-Wiff Club: Prince Harry and Meghan's future plans Part 1

[TLLK]

I am very happy to hear about the peace talks between Prince Harry and Charles. After all, they are father and son. Conflict is a part of being in a family. What's most important is healing the rifts and conflicts eventually.

I am hopeful that father and son will be able to meet and begin to reconnect and rebuild their relationship.

[wannable]

IMO Harry leaked this news and is the one asking a meeting 17th.

[TLLK]

Honestly, as long as father and son have a meaningful and productive encounter,  I  don't care how the information was shared.

[Nightowl]

Really, would someone please tell me just how do  you think you can trust Harry or Meghan with any thing  again for it might just end up in  a new book, on an interview or a TV reality show?  If this is true and I seriously doubt it, this could be a ploy to get back to the Firm or a big fat paycheck the way Meghan spends money on clothes, remember that $5,000 dress for the Oprah interview?  $5,000 for a darn dress, ridiculous...   TRUST has been broken and bridges burnt! 

[wannable]

^As I said IMO he leaked/requested a meeting, BUT he is so volatile and because of what he has done, it comes with 'conditions' by the BRF, Charles - in this case so the meeting can go ahead, he will end up not going.

To expany 'my view' on this, the couple are under huge pressure career wise/both, they are dependant on bosses who are the power (the only power the couple have at this point is to say NO but will lose access to the money), I'm including WME telling both to have good relations, minimum with the BRF - to fix it. I am 99.9% sure all their bosses told them at this point they need the ''real'' connection, fix it or else - not just having  the title will do.

[TLLK]

Really, would someone please tell me just how do  you think you can trust Harry or Meghan with any thing  again for it might just end up in  a new book, on an interview or a TV reality show?  If this is true and I seriously doubt it, this could be a ploy to get back to the Firm or a big fat paycheck the way Meghan spends money on clothes, remember that $5,000 dress for the Oprah interview?  $5,000 for a darn dress, ridiculous...   TRUST has been broken and bridges burnt! 

@Nightowl-I am an optimist so I tend to believe that if this father and son meeting is going to occur and that is a positive step. Trust can be rebuilt and fires can be put out. Yes it will take time but if both parties are willing to spend time together, than that's good.

[Amabel2]

I dont think that Charles will ever trust Harry again, unless H breaks with Meghan.  Even then, I think he went too far in his attacks on his family to allow Charles or Will ever to get over the quarrels.

[wannable]

^ Harry has also broken 'trust' since Megxit at 3 meeting occasions with C and W and combined CW. The three previous 'secret' meetings ended in the public; interview, book, ran to Gayle King.

Source: Tom Sykes, The Daily Beast

^ The Daily Beast published the question article about will there be a meeting (20 hours ago) and today published 'too soon' and stated basically the above. Verdict: Tom doesn't think this ''new'' meeting will happen.  The Daily Beast for those who don't know have a members only section for deep dives - what I've noticed is that 'some' of the deep dives end up months to a year later in the free article section in order to 'explain' their findings. TS details the 3 previous secret meetings that H broke or sold away.

The couple just can't help themselves to spill lies, half truths mixed with their own imagination (fantasy), twist it like a soap opera, which ends up in a narrative that they are victims (again).

[Curryong]

I prefer to wait and see if this proposed meeting between Charles and Harry comes to pass before commenting on it. I don?t believe 99% of what is published in the British media and haven?t for over three years. They ALL have an agenda, and that includes journalistic blogs like the The Daily Beast/ Tom Sykes, and religiously sing from the same Palace hymn sheet regarding the Sussexes.

Imo IF the supposed meeting comes to pass that will hopefully be a good development. If it doesn?t then the report may well be another untruth made up by media sources. It?s useless to speculate until after the proposed date, in my view. And please remember it is in the Press?s interest to stir the pot with ref to troubles in the RF. It is so much more interesting and very good for clickbait to report on ?freezing out?, ?ignoring one another? and ?ongoing feuds? than it is to report on any hopes of peace all round.

As it is, no reporter or commentator on this earth really knows what goes on in relationships within the RF. They are absent from the most private discussions between members and are only able to speculate on a minute part of what goes on behind closed doors, when they are offered a crumb or two by lackeys at the Palace.

[TLLK]

I prefer to wait and see if this proposed meeting between Charles and Harry comes to pass before commenting on it. I don?t believe 99% of what is published in the British media and haven?t for over three years. They ALL have an agenda, and that includes journalistic blogs like the The Daily Beast/ Tom Sykes, and religiously sing from the same Palace hymn sheet regarding the Sussexes.

Imo IF the supposed meeting comes to pass that will hopefully be a good development. If it doesn?t then the report may well be another untruth made up by media sources. It?s useless to speculate until after the proposed date, in my view. And please remember it is in the Press?s interest to stir the pot with ref to troubles in the RF. It is so much more interesting and very good for clickbait to report on ?freezing out?, ?ignoring one another? and ?ongoing feuds? than it is to report on any hopes of peace all round.

As it is, no reporter or commentator on this earth really knows what goes on in relationships within the RF. They are absent from the most private discussions between members and are only able to speculate on a minute part of what goes on behind closed doors, when they are offered a crumb or two by lackeys at the Palace.

That is true @Curryong and it should be noted that on rare occasions  we hear from the royals themselves too.

[Nightowl]

IMHO....it is Way too late , he can't retract what they have both said worldwide. There isn't any  trust mow left in the royal family to ever let Harry/Meghan back in.  Maybe a  phone call once in a while, a holiday card or gift to children yet *no* appearances at royal events with family, absolutely no talking about what is happening within the royal family........Harry is done for as is his wife who thought she could just come in and do as she pleased, change a family and a country's heritage that is over 1200 years old.....so full of her own importance!

Just look where their very own actions/behavior have gotten them today.....if they thought that the Firm was tough and they could do better on their own, well those Netflix bosses and whomever else they do business with are harder to deal with then they realized. 

[Nightowl]

@Nightowl-I am an optimist so I tend to believe that if this father and son meeting is going to occur and that is a positive step. Trust can be rebuilt and fires can be put out. Yes it will take time but if both parties are willing to spend time together, than that's good.

Sometimes a family member can do so much damage within the family by telling family issues that can   and also do irreparable damage that there is no turning back to what was.  I think that Charles as the father has some guilt over Diana and how it affected their sons so he could be coming from that place with Harry as he seems to have more issues than William. Harry knows his dad totally and could use those issues to manipulate his dad also.  William is tough, he knows who he is and what he has to do for his life, he reminds me of Anne who suffers no fools as I see her as one tough lady. He won't ever forget or forgive Harry for the way he hurt his family first then him.  William's family comes first in his life totally.  Professional therapy does wonders! 

Harry is totally lost and has absolutely no understanding of what his actions/behavior has done mot just to his royal family but himself.  It won't be a pretty picture when it hits him either. 

[Kristeh-H]

Sometimes a family member can do so much damage within the family by telling family issues that can   and also do irreparable damage that there is no turning back to what was.  I think that Charles as the father has some guilt over Diana and how it affected their sons so he could be coming from that place with Harry as he seems to have more issues than William. Harry knows his dad totally and could use those issues to manipulate his dad also.  William is tough, he knows who he is and what he has to do for his life, he reminds me of Anne who suffers no fools as I see her as one tough lady. He won't ever forget or forgive Harry for the way he hurt his family first then him.  William's family comes first in his life totally.  Professional therapy does wonders! 

Harry is totally lost and has absolutely no understanding of what his actions/behavior has done mot just to his royal family but himself.  It won't be a pretty picture when it hits him either.

:goodpost:  It's hard to forgive someone who is not remorseful.  It may be that there is some blame on both sides for things going sour, but from everything I've heard, I think the far greater portion of blame lies with the Sussexes.  It's no secret that I think they are both insecure, arrogant, jealous, and vindictive.  But worst of all is the betrayal, the trashing the family to the world with misleading statements and lies, for money.  Even if I could forgive them, I could never trust them.  They are not trustworthy, imo, so the relationship would always be distant.

But we will just have to wait and see how things develop.  Honestly, I'm not convinced these peace talks are a genuine thing, as opposed to media clickbait.  But we'll see.

[LouisFerdinand]

Today on the front cover of Globe In regards to Prince Harry and Meghan A Baby to Save the Marriage.   
Why does their marriage need to be saved?

[Curryong]

Today on the front cover of Globe In regards to Prince Harry and Meghan A Baby to Save the Marriage.   
Why does their marriage need to be saved?

It doesn?t. And the Globe is one of those trashy newspapers that specialise in rubbishy stories they make up.

[TLLK]

Today on the front cover of Globe In regards to Prince Harry and Meghan A Baby to Save the Marriage.   
Why does their marriage need to be saved?

Like @Curryong, I suspect that this story is pure speculation from an unreliable source.

[sara8150]

King Charles has 'no time in the diary' to see Prince Harry when he returns to the UK - while Prince William hasn't spoken to his brother 'in months'

King Charles has ?no time? to see Harry when Duke returns to UK ahead of Invictus Games | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

King 'will forgive' Prince Harry for 'most things' but no hope for peace | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Princess Kate 'urging' King to invite Harry for talks with William | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

Prince Harry set for family snub on UK return with Charles having 'no time' to see son - Mirror Online

[Curryong]

I see the Express is excelling itself in its anti-Sussex rubbish once more. There?s been no sign that Harry has wished to see his father, has asked about seeing his father or made an appointment to see his father. He?s in Europe for WellChild and then the IG, nothing else. So how can you snub someone who hasn?t asked to see you? Answer. You Can?t!

And as usual the Express is contradicting itself. On the one hand in one article, William is angry and bitter about a book that came out nine months ago, in another article his supportive wife Kate is urging her father in law to see Harry to make up with him. So which is it? Neither, as again it?s tabloid journalists scratching around making up stories simply for clickbait! As they always do!

[wannable]

The so called peace talks before HMKCIII upcoming trip to France came from H camp. ETA: This two week old H camp story is being rebuffed today, it took pretty roughly those two weeks for RR's to get a reply from BP/KP. I knew it already yesterday due to the multiple whispers that no peace talks, Charles is reluctant, W just won't at this time, probably and very likely take many years. H is too mentally ill, the cure is not magical, it takes years if ever!

Basically H is happy one day, the next who knows? Cruel, might and very likely turn on the person and blurt out whatever to hurt, embarrass and in that process by hurting/hurting himself too. Toxic. Just a generalized explanation of what my Fleet Street friend told me yesterday. It must be more deep and stressful than that of what the BRF know.

[TLLK]

I'm giving this a side eye, but this wouldn't be the first time a former actor has been elected or appointed to a high office in California.
Reportedly Meghan has had a conversation with Governor Gavin Newsome to hopefully be appointed to the Senate seat once held by the late Sen. Diane Feinstein. The California Governor has pledged to fill the vacancy with an African American woman.

It is typical for a state's governor to appoint a successor to a vacant seat in Congress if the former occupant is unable to continue their term ie: death, election to a higher office etc..

MSN

A major Democratic donor who is close to Californian Governor Gavin Newsom - who will choose Feinstein's replacement - told the MoS: 'Meghan is definitely a long-shot but in the craziness that is US politics these days it's not an impossibility. Crazier things have happened.'

Feinstein's death has produced a unique situation where Newsom, 55, California's charismatic Governor who is considered a Presidential frontrunner should anything happen to 80-year-old President Joe Biden, has free reign to pick someone to replace Feinstein until the next election is held in November 2024.

[Curryong]

Wasn?t Senator Feinstein the lady in the wheelchair who seemed to be rather muddled about what she was voting for in the Senate a couple of months ago. Much as I honour her long service I?m afraid my view is the less 90yrs plus representatives there are in the Senate the better, so I hope there is a much younger candidate.

As for Meghan I don?t believe this report to be true. She has no coalface experience of running for political office or of being a stop gap replacement . None. If she had been a helper, aide, assistant in a Governor or Senator?s office in past years it might be different. Under the Westminster system ?ordinary? people do stand in elections, though some have experience at a local council level, but it?s twice as hard under the US system where you also need big money to run a campaign. And to be shoe horned into such a position temporarily by some kind of political acquaintance. No, no, no. Get some actual experience of running things at a local level first. 

[TLLK]

Wasn?t Senator Feinstein the lady in the wheelchair who seemed to be rather muddled about what she was voting for in the Senate a couple of months ago. Much as I honour her long service I?m afraid my view is the less 90yrs plus representatives there are in the Senate the better, so I hope there is a much younger candidate.

As for Meghan I don?t believe this report to be true. She has no coalface experience of running for political office or of being a stop gap replacement . None. If she had been a helper, aide, assistant in a Governor or Senator?s office in past years it might be different. Under the Westminster system ?ordinary? people do stand in elections, though some have experience at a local council level, but it?s twice as hard under the US system where you also need big money to run a campaign. And to be shoe horned into such a position temporarily by some kind of political acquaintance. No, no, no. Get some actual experience of running things at a local level first. 

@Curryong-Here's a brief account of the political assassinations that launched the late Senator's political career. She later unsuccessfully ran for Governor of CA and then was elected as a Senator.

How The Murder Of LGBT Icon Harvey Milk Propelled Dianne Feinstein To Political Fame

I agree that Meghan is an unlikely candidate, but stranger things have happened in CA politics. At times when a member of Congress dies in office, their spouse might be appointed to the position by that state's Governor until the next election cycle.

[wannable]

Anything can happen in California.

Although if the whatever can happen in California happens - big shoes to fill.

[Curryong]

@Curryong-Here's a brief account of the political assassinations that launched the late Senator's political career. She later unsuccessfully ran for Governor of CA and then was elected as a Senator.

How The Murder Of LGBT Icon Harvey Milk Propelled Dianne Feinstein To Political Fame

I agree that Meghan is an unlikely candidate, but stranger things have happened in CA politics. At times when a member of Congress dies in office, their spouse might be appointed to the position by that state's Governor until the next election cycle.

Thanks for this, TLLK. I had no idea that Senator Feinstein?s career was connected to the Harvey Milk assassination, poor man. I remember that quite well. Wasn?t she embroiled in some political scandal much later on? Haven?t Governors of some States died in office and their widowed spouses took over for the rest of their term in the past. I seem to remember reading about one particular case where that happened but I might be mistaken.

[TLLK]

@Curryong -You're welcome. I was a teenager when this shocking crime was committed and Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Milk were assassinated by Dan White. White committed suicide a few years after his release from prison. As for scandals she did jeopardize the hunt for serial killer Richard Ramirez by revealing at a press conference several details the crime scene that detectives wanted to be kept quiet at the time. Later she was fined for not reporting campaign contributions and expenditures for her unsuccessful bid for Governor.


Anyhow back to Meghan, she won't be the replacement for Feinstein as  Gov. Newsome has announced the successor today.

Gov. Gavin Newsom picks Laphonza Butler as Feinstein?s Senate replacement ? Daily Breeze