Re: When Charles is King . . .

[wannable]

^ @TLLK Thank you yes that video podcast is the reference. 

10 years ago the travel/visits, which has been discussed because of articles also changed.  The working royals used to travel i.e. within the UK for 1 thing. I recall Edward, Andrew and Anne had the biggest financial foot with this type of duties, travel back and forth in 1 day/1 engagement only.  Everything changed from then to now, they have very busy schedules with multiple and different all in 1 visit, from government to charity organizations to what their specific interests to showcase the 'local' education, nature, markets, etc. So we find a minimum of 3 engagements in 1 day travel or sleep over for a next day of engagements before coming back to London.

The cutting of a ribbon or a plaque if 'far' from home base London will need to be done on a date that can allow the royal to do other things in that area.

The yearly Financial expenses tell a story.

[wannable]

t?s Official. Brits Want King William, Not King Charles.
THE OTHER SUCCESSION
Plus, 50 percent of poll say Prince Andrew should face lawsuit in U.S., how ?The Crown? will show a happy Charles and Diana, and the Williams (Shatner and Prince) at odds on space.

Tom Sykes
Royalist Correspondent
Tim Teeman
Senior Editor And Writer

It?s Official. Brits Want Prince William, Not Prince Charles, to Succeed the Queen

17th October 2021

[Curryong]

That?s a Mail on Sunday poll and God knows what procedures were used to get the results.

And, as practically every Briton knows, or should, the line of succession to the British Throne doesn?t depend on any popularity contest. So there?s nothing ?official? about that ridiculous poll at all.

The next King is Charles, with Consort Camilla. Considering the lifespan of most Windsors Charles may well be on the throne for twenty years or more, so Cambridge fans are going to have to curb their excitement lol, until William is probably in his sixties.

[Curryong]

If it?s all going to come down to finances, the Queen?s cousins will almost certainly be gone from official duties in the next few years, so in theory the Duchy of Lancaster etc will have more money to pay for fewer royals. So Charles should be happy.

If a major bridge or hospital is to be opened that usually takes several hours with all the ceremonial and meet and greets. Then lunch has to be fitted in.It would be surprising if more than three extra engagements could be crammed into a day under those circumstances.

[wannable]

Yes @Curryong

I respect and love the Queen, but can't wait to see Charles reign.  I believe Camilla Tominey with the ''everything is going to change''. 

I think the first structure to have massive usufruct changes will be Buckingham Palace. To have that opened 365 days will be fantastic.

[Curryong]

I am not suggesting that everything will remain the same as it is now. However, it?s all very well to lay grand plans. It?s when practicalities come into it that difficulties arise.

The vast majority of the internal BP is office space, along with a few diplomatic missions for very small Commonwealth countries. I doubt they?re all going to be tossed out on their ear. And Anne, the Wessexes etc will still need a bolt hole for when they are in central London for engagements.

Plus, it?s the only large building the sovereign has in the middle of London. So the rooms used for large diplomatic receptions and other events can?t really be replaced either. By its very nature not all the space at BP can be given up to tourists coming to gawk and there aren?t that many tourists in winter anyway. .

[LouisFerdinand]

When James, Viscount Severn is older, might he be a working Royal?

[Curryong]

When James, Viscount Severn is older, might he be a working Royal?

Extremely unlikely. And why would he want to?

[Macrobug67]

Seriously doubt it.  If the grandchildren of the king are encouraged to have a private career, the grandson of the previous queen wouldn?t be encouraged to be a working Royal.   

His life will be much easier if allowed to have a career and live normal

[wannable]

Exactly, Camilla Tominey said a close source to William and Kate said that the couple are working already to make sure Charlotte and Louis have 'careers' rather than royal workers...forget the rest of the cousins.

@Curryong agree about Buckingham Palace, I think not all but a lot of the indoors will be open all year long as stated in the multiple articles from the British Media, when Charles is King. They will probably adopt what other grandiose buildings do, they close 3 days IF a medium or big event is taking place, before the date, during the date, the day after the date. This best practice is carried out in those magnificent building all over Europe.  And of course financially that will really help, tourism all year with the maintenance.

[LouisFerdinand]

Extremely unlikely. And why would he want to?

James' parents Edward and Sophie are working Royals. James might express an interest in helping out with one of his parents' charities.

[Curryong]

   
James' parents Edward and Sophie are working Royals. James might express an interest in helping out with one of his parents' charities.

What, as a profession? Don?t think so. And plenty of people have careers and private lives and can still help out with charities.

[wannable]

The COP26 family group thread in the Queen's board, I commented on her Balmoral Castle/Estate because of a BBC report on a Heating Bill.

So Prince Charles during a filmed new garden at Birkhall, which he dedicated to Prince George, the George Garden.  This is what was said by The Times.

Quote
Prince Charles will open palace, royal residences to public.
Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Balmoral, Sandringham and Clarence House will all remain royal homes but will become more accessible to the public when Charles ascends the throne, The Sunday Times of London reported.
Unquote

^ Charles said he will stay at Birkhall. Balmoral will be used all year for tourism.  This is better than reconstructing to change heating pipes/boiler where no one will use it as a home.  Tourism is done during daylight rather than night, where energy would need to be used. The simpler life, the Cambridges go once a year to Balmoral and they stay at William's cottage, which was gifted by the Queen Mother.

[LouisFerdinand]

On the cover of Star magazine was the declaration that Prince Charles's (King Charles III's) Coronation would cost $125 million.

[Macrobug67]

Wouldn?t take The Star as a reliable source :wink:

[Curryong]

It may well be that amount for security alone.

[wannable]

With the help of Edward Parsons, Sandringham?s Land Agent, Charles has spent three years overhauling the area by planting hedgerows and establishing an organic flock of 3,000 sheep and a 500-strong cattle herd.

The sheep and the cattle have been mentioned by Kate and the latter William.

[PrincessOfPeace]

Duchess of Cornwall rides wave of popularity as public warms to idea of ?Queen Camilla?

https://archive.ph/VDVJI

[wannable]

Richard Palmer
@RoyalReporter
The Queen has used a Platinum Jubilee message to the nation to say it is her ?sincere wish? that the Duchess of Cornwall becomes Queen Camilla when Prince Charles accedes to the throne. Charles and Camilla have indicated they will follow her wishes.

[wannable]

Social media tussles.


The Royal Record
@TheRoyalRecord

I genuinely don't understand how ''Queen Camilla'' is disrespectful to Diana's memory. People realize that Diana ceased to be a future Queen at the moment of her divorce, right? Not at her death?

[TLLK]

While time has certainly mellowed many British citizens' opinions on the Duchess of Cornwall becoming Queen Consort, it seems there are some who are still opposed to the notion for a variety of reasons. However you are correct @wannable that Diana ceased to become a future Queen Consort when the Wales divorced.

[Blue Clover]

I think Camilla as Queen Consort is a unifying decision for the family on the part of the Queen. It is meant to put the past to rest, it's time to move past what happened between Charles and Diana. The Queen sees Charles and Camilla as the future of the Monarchy.

[sara8150]

Prince Charles ?personally called Prince Harry to tell him Camilla will become Queen? - Mirror Online

Queen decided 'five years ago' to make Camilla the next queen when Charles becomes king - Mirror Online

[TLLK]

It's the DM so you'll have to decide if their predictions are valid and reasonable.
Now I do believe that Charles' plan will be lower key than past coronations and that it will be modeled upon his grandparents' coronation rather than his mother's.

Charles and Camilla to be crowned side by side | Daily Mail Online

Charles and Camilla to be crowned side by side: Prince of Wales's plans for a scaled down coronation codenamed 'Operation Golden Orb' that will be shorter and cheaper are revealed

    Service at Westminster Abbey will be shorter and cheaper than in the past under plans being drawn up
    Last week the Queen declared it was her 'sincere wish' that Camilla would be known as Queen Consort when, 'in the fullness of time', her son becomes King
     Behind the scenes, plans are under way for an overhaul of the only remaining religious Coronation in Europe
    Prince Philip, as a male consort, was not entitled to be crowned, but instead knelt before his wife during the Coronation and pledged to be her 'liege man of life and limb'
    Last time a Queen Consort was crowned was in 1937 when the Queen's mother, Elizabeth, sat alongside King George VI
    MoS understands that Charles wishes to use a new design on the official insignia which appears on postboxes and police officers' uniforms ? choosing the simpler Tudor Crown to replace the current St Edward's design





The Prince of Wales has already let it be known that he favours a leaner, more modern Monarchy and his Coronation service ? whenever it comes ? is expected to set the tone for his reign.

Last week the Queen declared it was her 'sincere wish' that Camilla would be known as Queen Consort when, 'in the fullness of time', her son becomes King.

There is no suggestion that the Queen is unwell ? despite coming into contact with Prince Charles two days before he tested positive for coronavirus last week ? but her comments started a national conversation about the future of the Monarchy.

Behind the scenes, plans are under way for an overhaul of the only remaining religious Coronation in Europe.
Camilla will be crowned alongside Charles in a Coronation that will be radically streamlined, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. The service at Westminster Abbey will be markedly shorter and cheaper than in the past under plans being drawn up with the codename Operation Golden Orb. (Above, the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall in formal attire at the State Opening of Parliament)

Camilla will be crowned alongside Charles in a Coronation that will be radically streamlined, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. The service at Westminster Abbey will be markedly shorter and cheaper than in the past under plans being drawn up with the codename Operation Golden Orb. (Above, the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall in formal attire at the State Opening of Parliament)
Last week the Queen declared it was her 'sincere wish' that Camilla would be known as Queen Consort when, 'in the fullness of time', her son becomes King

Last week the Queen declared it was her 'sincere wish' that Camilla would be known as Queen Consort when, 'in the fullness of time', her son becomes King
The Coronation will happen within a year of Charles's accession and its acknowledgement of the religious and cultural diversity of modern Britain will mark a significant departure from the Queen's Coronation on June 2, 1953, which reflected the nation and empire of the time. (Above, the Queen and  Philip on the day of her Coronation)

The Coronation will happen within a year of Charles's accession and its acknowledgement of the religious and cultural diversity of modern Britain will mark a significant departure from the Queen's Coronation on June 2, 1953, which reflected the nation and empire of the time. (Above, the Queen and  Philip on the day of her Coronation)

A source said that it would be 'shorter, sooner, smaller, less expensive and more representative of different community groups and faiths'.

The Coronation will happen within a year of Charles's accession and its acknowledgement of the religious and cultural diversity of modern Britain will mark a significant departure from the Queen's Coronation on June 2, 1953, which reflected the nation and empire of the time.

Prince Philip, as a male consort, was not entitled to be crowned, but instead knelt before his wife during the Coronation and pledged to be her 'liege man of life and limb'.

The last time a Queen Consort was crowned was in 1937 when the Queen's mother, Elizabeth, sat alongside King George VI.

This newspaper also understands that Charles wishes to use a new design on the official insignia which appears on postboxes and police officers' uniforms ? choosing the simpler Tudor Crown to replace the current St Edward's design.
Prince Philip, as a male consort, was not entitled to be crowned, but instead knelt (above) before his wife during the Coronation and pledged to be her 'liege man of life and limb'

Prince Philip, as a male consort, was not entitled to be crowned, but instead knelt (above) before his wife during the Coronation and pledged to be her 'liege man of life and limb'
The Coronation will happen within a year of Charles's accession and its acknowledgement of the religious and cultural diversity of modern Britain will mark a significant departure from the Queen's Coronation (procession, pictured) on June 2, 1953, which reflected the nation and empire of the time

The Coronation will happen within a year of Charles's accession and its acknowledgement of the religious and cultural diversity of modern Britain will mark a significant departure from the Queen's Coronation (procession, pictured) on June 2, 1953, which reflected the nation and empire of the time
The new plans will mark a radical departure from the Coronation of Elizabeth II, who had been Queen for 16 months by the time of her lavish ceremony

The new plans will mark a radical departure from the Coronation of Elizabeth II, who had been Queen for 16 months by the time of her lavish ceremony
More than 40,000 troops were involved in the parade, including 30,000 lining the streets. The ceremony, the first to be televised, lasted more than three hours and required the Queen to make several outfit changes

More than 40,000 troops were involved in the parade, including 30,000 lining the streets. The ceremony, the first to be televised, lasted more than three hours and required the Queen to make several outfit changes

The new plans will mark a radical departure from the Coronation of Elizabeth II, who had been Queen for 16 months by the time of her lavish ceremony.

A long carriage procession transported more than 8,000 dignitaries to Westminster Abbey where many were accommodated on makeshift benches.

More than 40,000 troops were involved in the parade, including 30,000 lining the streets. The ceremony, the first to be televised, lasted more than three hours and required the Queen to make several outfit changes.

But seven decades on, guests will be limited to a maximum of 2,000, and the service will be 'far shorter because you have to consider Charles's age', a source said.

There will be far fewer protectorates who will expect to be invited. In 1953 the Queen of Tonga refused to put the cover up on her carriage despite the pouring rain and delighted the crowds by beaming and waving regardless.

But Tonga is no longer a British protectorate, becoming fully independent in 1970. And Barbados recently dropped the Queen as head of state.

While aspects of the service will be overhauled in favour of reflecting a 'modern day Britain', it will remain an Anglican service with the vows not expected to change.
The last time a Queen Consort was crowned was in 1937 when the Queen's mother, Elizabeth, sat alongside King George VI (above)

The last time a Queen Consort was crowned was in 1937 when the Queen's mother, Elizabeth, sat alongside King George VI (above)

At one time it was reported that Charles wanted to be known as 'Defender of Faith' to reflect Britain's multicultural society, but a source close to the Prince said: 'Charles will definitely be Defender of THE Faith. There's been debate over that, but that's certain.

'Charles was considered progressive 50 years ago when he spoke about inter-faith dialogue and that will certainly be part of the ceremony.

He thinks of the UK as a community comprising different communities and you should expect all those communities represented.'

Not only will the number of guests be a quarter of the contingent in 1953, there will also be fewer members of the Royal Family.

A source said: 'It will be a slimmed-down Monarchy on display throughout. I wouldn't be surprised to see just Charles and Camilla, Kate and William and their children on the Buckingham Palace balcony afterwards.'

The organising committee is shrouded in secrecy but several key figures have been driving discussions between the Palace, the Cabinet Office, the Church and the military, among others.
George VI's 1937 Coronation: The last time a Queen Consort and King were crowned together

The last time a Queen Consort was crowned alongside a King was during the 1937 Coronation of George VI.

The King had acceded the Throne the previous year upon the abdication of his brother, Edward VIII. A Coronation date of May 12, 1937 had already been put in place for Edward but when he stepped down to marry Wallis Simpson, the new King kept the same date.

One major change was required, however ? to crown his Queen Consort beside him. As Edward was unmarried, the original plans had made no provision for the crowning of a Queen.
The King had acceded the Throne the previous year upon the abdication of his brother, Edward VIII. A Coronation date of May 12, 1937 had already been put in place for Edward but when he stepped down to marry Wallis Simpson, the new King kept the same date

The King had acceded the Throne the previous year upon the abdication of his brother, Edward VIII. A Coronation date of May 12, 1937 had already been put in place for Edward but when he stepped down to marry Wallis Simpson, the new King kept the same date

During the Coronation, which wasn't televised, the King was anointed and crowned, then peers paid homage to him before a shorter and simpler ceremony for his wife's Coronation.

Both were seen sitting side-by-side at Westminster Abbey and later appeared on the balcony at Buckingham Palace with their daughters Princess Elizabeth and Princess Margaret both wearing little coronets.

It is King George VI's Coronation which will now provide the blueprint for Charles and Camilla.

When Elizabeth II was crowned in 1953, Prince Philip ? as a male Consort ? was not entitled to be crowned.

Instead, he kneeled down and pledged to be her 'liege man of life and limb'.

It was only later, in 1957, that the Queen used Letters Patent to change her husband's title from Prince Philip of Greece to 'the style and titular dignity of a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.

Sir Stephen Lamport, a former private secretary to the Prince of Wales and now Vice Lord Lieutenant of Surrey, has been instrumental in reviewing the plans along with the Duke of Norfolk, whose family have held the job of Earl Marshal in organising major state occasions since 1386.

A Clarence House spokesman said last night: 'The detailed planning for a Coronation begins at the point of accession. So there are no plans of this nature at this stage.'

But a source said: 'There are binders and binders of paperwork on the accession and Coronation all stacked up and each has various appendixes.

'It's very complex. The Golden Orb committee used to meet twice a year but now they're meeting much more frequently, sometimes once a month. Compared to the last Coronation, there will be a lot less fuss.

'Last time, special green chairs were commissioned and guests were able to have them delivered to their homes afterwards.
King George VI and Queen Elizabeth (with, centre, Queen Mary). Also pictured, the royal couple's children Princess Elizabeth and Princess Margaret on the balcony at Buckingham Palace after the Coronation ceremony at Westminster Abbey





It last sat in late 1952 when it had to consider claims including those from the Lord High Steward of Ireland to carry a white wand; from a number of peers seeking to carry the 'great gold spurs'; and from the Duke of Somerset to carry the Orb or Sceptre for the new Queen.

After the Coronation, Charles and Camilla are expected to honour the tradition of touring the major cities of the UK.
Scaled down... but Charles will still use a spruced-up Gold Coach during the next Coronation

During the next Coronation, the newly crowned King and Queen Consort will be expected to travel in the Gold Coach.

A team is working to make mechanical repairs to the eight horse-drawn carriage to mark the Platinum Jubilee.

But there will be added benefit to the expenditure because it will make the 240-year-old coach roadworthy for the Coronation.

The Georgian-era vehicle, which weighs four tons and is 24 ft long, has not been used since the Queen rode in it to mark her Golden Jubilee in 2002.

It was commissioned by King George III in 1760 and while it cost ?7,562 ? the equivalent of ?1.6 million today ? it was built for style, not comfort.

The Queen once described the bone-rattling journey on her 1953 Coronation aged 26 as 'horrible'.

'It's only sprung on leather,' she said and 'not very comfortable'.

Palace officials have realised a major overhaul is going to be needed for Charles, 73, and Camilla, 74, who both require back cushions when seated for a long time on official engagements.
During the next Coronation, the newly crowned King and Queen Consort will be expected to travel in the Gold Coach


       

        o that of Edward VII's Coronation. At that point, it had been such a long time since his mother Queen Victoria had been crowned. When Edward came to the Throne, they used the late Queen's Diamond Jubilee celebrations as a guide.'
A source said: 'It will be a slimmed-down Monarchy on display throughout. I wouldn't be surprised to see just Charles and Camilla, Kate and William and their children on the Buckingham Palace balcony afterwards'

A source said: 'It will be a slimmed-down Monarchy on display throughout. I wouldn't be surprised to see just Charles and Camilla, Kate and William and their children on the Buckingham Palace balcony afterwards'
It is thought the Palace will be paying particular attention to this year's Platinum Jubilee celebrations and anything they might reveal about the relationship between the Crown and a much-changed country in the past 69 years. (Above, the Queen with Camilla in the Buckingham Palace Garden on June 3, 2019)

It is thought the Palace will be paying particular attention to this year's Platinum Jubilee celebrations and anything they might reveal about the relationship between the Crown and a much-changed country in the past 69 years. (Above, the Queen with Camilla in the Buckingham Palace Garden on June 3, 2019)

Perhaps unsurprisingly, courtiers will look not just to the successes of past Coronations but will seek to avoid their failings.

Queen Victoria's Coronation was said to be disorganised, with the ring forced on to the wrong finger, while Edward VII's crown was placed on his head back-to-front.

However, in a world where the entire Coronation will be televised live around the globe, there can be no room for error.

There are also health and safety considerations today that would not have been thought to be an issue 69 years ago.

Then metal scaffolding and wooden benches were erected within the Abbey as thousands of guests were crammed in.

Extra lavatories were installed to avoid the indignity suffered by Samuel Pepys who was forced to leave during the Coronation of Charles II.

While church attendance has dropped significantly since the last Coronation, a report published in 2016 by religion think-tank Theos revealed that 57 per cent of Britons thought the ceremony should be Christian while only 19 per cent thought it should be multi-faith and 23 per cent thought it should be secular.
Will Charles put the Tudor crown on livery? Prince plans to change the designs of everything from post boxes to police uniforms

When Charles becomes King he is expected to put his own stamp on the reign by changing the designs of everything from post boxes to police officers' uniforms.

The Royal insignia currently features the Queen's ERII, for Elizabeth the second, with an image of the St Edward's Crown.

Charles, however, is understood to prefer the simpler 'Tudor Crown' design, where the sides of the crown fall straight down, rather than the more bulbous style which is so closely associated with his mother's reign, the only one in living memory for most Britons today.

A return to use of the Tudor Crown would also be a fitting link to his grandfather, King George VI, who used the design during his 15 years on the Throne.
The current livery

Tudor crown livery

When Charles becomes King he is expected to put his own stamp on the reign by changing the designs of everything from post boxes to police officers' uniforms. The Royal insignia currently features the Queen's ERII (right), for Elizabeth the second, with an image of the St Edward's Crown. Charles, however, is understood to prefer the simpler 'Tudor Crown' design (left), where the sides of the crown fall straight down, rather than the more bulbous style which is so closely associated with his mother's reign
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Scaled down... but Charles will still use a spruced-up Gold Coach during the next Coronation  | Daily Mail Online