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Meghan Markle's 'bully' claims are the worst royal crisis since the abdication writes RICHARD KAY | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9323093/Meghan-Markles-bully-claims-worst-royal-crisis-abdication-writes-RICHARD-KAY.html)
Buckingham Palace launches probe into allegations Meghan Markle bullied royal staff | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9322505/Buckingham-Palace-launches-probe-allegations-Meghan-Markle-bullied-royal-staff.html)
Revenge of the Sussex survivors' club: The inside story of how a fairytale turned into a nightmare | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9323183/Revenge-Sussex-survivors-club-inside-story-fairytale-turned-nightmare.html)
PIERS MORGAN: Meghan and Harry's IWD 'guide' is victimhood garbage | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9321173/PIERS-MORGAN-Spare-anymore-hypocrites-Meghan-Harrys-women-empowering-victimhood-garbage.html)
Palace Launches Probe into Meghan Markle Bullying Claims | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-bullying-allegations-palace-launches-probe/)
Meghan Markle Saddened by Bullying Allegations by Palace Staffers | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/meghan-markle-saddened-attack-on-character-amid-bullying-allegations-palace-staffers/)
Buckingham Palace reacts to Meghan Markle bullying claim reports | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210303108141/buckingham-palace-responds-to-meghan-markle-bullying-claims/)
Meghan Markle responds to claims she 'bullied' Kensington Palace staff | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210303108056/meghan-markle-statement-bullying-allegations/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56272104
Buckingham Palace investigating bullying claims as duchess says she was victim of 'smear campaign' | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/buckingham-palace-investigating-bullying-claims-as-duchess-says-she-was-victim-of-smear-campaign-12234944)
Buckingham Palace to investigate bullying allegations against Meghan | Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/03/buckingham-palace-to-examine-bullying-allegations-against-meghan)
?Open hostility?: an extraordinary episode in the Sussexes? royal drama | Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/03/open-hostility-an-extraordinary-episode-in-the-sussexes-royal-drama)
Buckingham Palace to investigate after Meghan Markle ?bullying? claim - ?Very concerned? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1405219/meghan-markle-news-buckingham-palace-statement-prince-harry-royal-family-latest)
Meghan Markle and Harry fans lash out as Palace reacts to 'bullying' claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1405265/meghan-markle-prince-harry-buckingham-palace-bullying-investigation-reaction-evg)
Buckingham Palace to investigate Meghan 'bullying' allegations | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-03/buckingham-palace-to-investigate-meghan-bullying-allegations)
What the decision by royal sources to approach media over Meghan Markle bullying claims means | ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-03-03/what-the-decision-by-royal-sources-to-approach-media-over-meghan-markle-bullying-claims-means)
Royal aides 'incandescent' over Meghan Markle smear claims amid all-out war at Palace - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/royal-aides-incandescent-over-meghan-23602697)
Piers Morgan takes aim at Meghan Markle after bullying and 'emotional cruelty' claims - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/piers-morgan-takes-aim-meghan-23596538)
Queen orders investigation into Meghan Markle bullying claims & say ?we are very concerned & won't tolerate harassment? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14225107/meghan-markle-bullying-claims-palace-concerned-launch-probe/)
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's palace staff still suffer 'trauma' after 'very painful' & 'toxic' time, sources (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/14225940/meghan-markle-palace-staff-trauma/)
Meghan Markle & Harry latest: Duchess? bullying claims force Palace to launch probe as they ?won?t tolerate harassment' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/14194498/meghan-markle-bullying-prince-harry-oprah-interview-latest-live/)
Meghan Markle's pal accuses palace of racism after bullying claims & says Duchess 'knew it would get ugly' before Oprah (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/14227959/meghan-markle-palace-racism-bullying-claims/)
Meghan Markle?s friend vows ?nothing will stop them from sharing their truth? after Queen orders bullying investigation (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14228123/meghan-friend-vows-nothing-will-stop-truth/)
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Duchess Meghan faces report of bullying claims ahead of highly anticipated Oprah interview | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/duchess-meghan-faces-report-bullying-claims-ahead-highly-76215365)
Meghan Markle responds to report suggesting she bullied royal aides (https://www.today.com/video/meghan-markle-responds-to-report-suggesting-she-bullied-royal-aides-101877829584?playlist=mmlsnnd_todayarchiveswednesday)
Meghan Markle responds to report suggesting she bullied palace aides (https://www.today.com/news/royal-aides-claim-report-meghan-markle-bullied-them-t210558)
Buckingham Palace to probe allegations that Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, bullied UK staff - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/03/uk/meghan-harry-bullying-allegations-smear-gbr-intl/index.html)
Buckingham Palace responds to Meghan Markle bullying allegations report: ?We are clearly very concerned? | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/buckingham-palace-responds-meghan-markle-bullying-allegation-report)
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Palace probes claims Meghan bullied staff | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9323119/Palace-probes-claims-Meghan-bullied-staff.html)
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Buckingham Palace HR department to look into allegations of bullying against the Duchess of Sussex ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/sussex/breaking-buckingham-palace-hr-department-to-look-into-allegations-of-bullying-against-the-duchess-of-sussex-156544-156544/)
The Duchess of Sussex tells Buckingham Palace she won?t be silenced ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/sussex/the-duchess-of-sussex-tells-buckingham-palace-she-wont-be-silenced-156561/)
Interesting - it's now Buckingham Palace and the Queen who are "empowering" the female staff by giving them a chance to speak about mistreatment against them. I thought Meghan believed in empowering women by giving them a "voice"? Shouldn't Meghan approve of her former staff being empowered to speak up, too?
The differences between Buckingham Palace's approach and Meghan's is the privacy factor as well as investigational approach vs broad public declarations of blame and guilt without investigation:
The "abused" staff's names are being redacted when news articles are released on the subject - the staff/former staff's individual privacies are being protected by the BRF/BM. And Buckingham Palace is currently investigating the charges - NOT declaring Meghan as automatically guilty. ALL the facts and information regarding these incidents are NOT currently being released to the public - just general references.
Meghan is not "protecting" the individual members of the BRF, but she is insinuating ALL BRF and staff (and all of Britain!!!) are to blame. (I guess we need to wait to hear her actual words from the Oprah interview first, before assuming this is the case.) Instead of dealing with her grievances privately through correspondence or personal communications, she airs it all for the world to see. She lumps everyone together and declares ALL are guilty.
Meghan has opened this up as an open air "court" of public opinion to decide that SHE is innocent of Megxit accusations, and the BRF and Britain are ALL - every single one of them - GUILTY of a conspiracy of hate and racism, which left them no choice but to leave. British discretion and BRF values of "never complain, never explain" be "damned". Isn't it wonderful for Meghan that the BRF cannot counter her accusations without breaking their own value system rules?
BRF and Palace aides used to protect Meghan from public scrutiny regarding her treatment of staff. Now Meghan has been removed from royal protection since she herself "divorced" the Royal Family and started publicly airing her grievances against them. Meghan herself opened the door for Royal staff to speak publicly about their own bad experiences under Meghan, since Meghan herself opened up and welcomed public scrutiny into this issue. Therefore Meghan has no right to complain when Royal staff members open up and counter Meghan's complaints with their own point of view, to defend themselves against Meghan's accusations.
^^^ Totally agree.
Fears Kate Middleton will be dragged into Meghan Markle 'bullying' row - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fears-kate-middleton-dragged-meghan-23621457.amp?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true)
Meghan Markle bullying claims: Bust-ups with aides during royal tour of Australia to be focus of probe (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14256936/meghan-markle-aides-bust-up-australia-bullying-probe/)
This internal investigation of ex-employees has ramifications like roots to a tree. The fact* that all these ex-employees were hired by choice by the couple rather than imposed by BP is even more damaging, in the sense that when HR paper trail has 'you chose these people, it's your responsibility' versus 'imposed personnel'.
*fact: Ex-employees speaking out that they were interviewed and chosen by the Sussex's. There is also an article written by Alexandra Shulman (Ex Vogue UK CEO) saying that a young female friend of hers had applied and went to the interview process, but wasn't selected - the usual process in any company.
I thought initially that their personnel were imposed to them, but apparently not.
2 hours of accusations with no evidence presented.
The Sussex's oepening a new can of worms (Worldwide) that it's okay to implicate everyone in serious charges, with no proof. :happy17: So in social media the 🐈 fight is both sides saying to each other 'I don't have to present any proof, I can say whatever I want'. Toxic.
Oh wow.
Rebecca English: The Queen refused to sign a statement regarded with much love her grandson and his family.
Something is not convincing her. Too much stuff has happened. RE thinks the BP statement is too Charles and William.
She wants to wait overnight BST.
I think it's all lost with Harry and Meghan.
Quote from: wannable on March 09, 2021, 03:12:38 AM
Rebecca English: The Queen refused to sign a statement regarded with much love her grandson and his family.
Something is not convincing her. Too much stuff has happened. RE thinks the BP statement is too Charles and William.
She wants to wait overnight BST.
I think it's all lost with Harry and Meghan.
I think I know now, the refusal has to do with how all companies treat ex employees that leave through the emergency stairwell rather than the front door. It's a saying in corporate world of leaving in good or bad terms.
Quote from: wannable on March 09, 2021, 12:22:49 PM
I think I know now, the refusal has to do with how all companies treat ex employees that leave through the emergency stairwell rather than the front door. It's a saying in corporate world of leaving in good or bad terms.
As I?ve observed several time here before, BP and the RF are not strictly a business nor are they strictly a family. They are a strange conglomeration of those two things and several others such as competing courts with rivalries and jealousies between them.
Expecting the family to behave as if they are executives in a modern business doesn?t cut it. Would for instance a CEO continue to pay one son (Andrew) an annual allowance, (a private one) which the next CEO and the next will have to pay until that person?s death in perhaps thirty years time ?
That doesnt happen in any business I know of. And equally, I do not believe that the Queen regards her children and grandchildren who work or who have worked as full time royals as her employees.
But they are, the sovereign grant, duchies, met police use report which is made public by law, they use all the tools technology and best practices of the best Co. Worldwide. Financial statements, they go further with external auditors, they document and record everything. Their works with the government domestic, foreign and trade departments are very high standard.
Even the met police, best of best article gave their view of Harry and Meghan wanting and moaning of the taking away of protection officers, a combination of costs, stating numbers, and government and royal policies of senior workers who get it and not. It's available in all major UK media.
Quote from: wannable on March 09, 2021, 01:09:54 PM
But they are, the sovereign grant, duckies use all the tools technology and best practices of the best Co. Worldwide. Financial statements, they go further with external auditors, they document and record everything. Their works with the government domestic, foreign and trade departments are very high standard.
That has evolved over the centuries since the time of King George III in the evolving of a constitutional monarchy in Britain. I?ll bet King George V didn?t have government audits, and King George VI who was the first to speak fondly of the Firm, would have scoffed at the idea that he was a sort of CEO over his brothers, their wives, his own wife and his daughters. It?s the conglomeration that I spoke of in my last post, and its all been extremely gradual.
They have to record everything meticulously. If they didn?t the BRF wouldn?t survive because it largely relies on governmental monies being doled out each year. That?s another thing that separates it from big corporations.
Not shocked nor surprised by any of this. Similarities with Wallis (well look wise anyway) and mirroring Diana?s infamous interview and suicidal claims. Think the RF would?ve learnt by now. With DoK parading around in that pin of hers. Air of haughtiness and colonialism.
As for Archie...He?ll be fine. Title or not. A lawyer (with a name like that! :lol:) or a real life Batman! :lol:
Breaking: Buckingham Palace will be using external law firm to do the bullying investigation rather than Internal.
Good. So long as everything is fair and above board to Meghan AS WELL as her accusers, then let the cards fall where they may.
Russell Myers
Huge development in the Meghan ?bullying? row as it emerges Buckingham Palace is to bring in an external law firm to handle the probe ordered by the Queen. Royal sources tell
@RoyaNikkhah
: ?The actual worst incidences haven?t come out. There are some harrowing stories to tell.
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^ she's sitting on them.
However, the latest is that the Sussexes are not going to be invited to participate in the Inquiry, which suggests (a) that a kangaroo court in which no rebuttal will be tolerated which would be massively unfair in any proceedings, or (b) it will follow the same terms of reference that the internal Inquiry was going to follow, focussing on procedures within the Palace going forward when dealing with such allegations, and the results will appear in the July 2022 Sovereign Grants accounts. This seems by far the most likely to happen, though it won?t satisfy the media slavering for Meghan?s head on a platter.
Back to the bullying case, an independent firm will be hired, yet to be known whom, very likely not any of the magic circles of BRF, a labour specialist firm, Meghan's letter requesting emails messages etc has been received and she will be looped in,.
Lawyers.com says it's the smartest thing to have done, quarrel handled by external between employees vs a principle. Ex employees may sue employer; Clarence House if they win.
According to The Sunday Times, theres many harrowing stories of Meghan bullying staff that arent public.
where there's smoke there's fire 🔥
Crikey, another NDA cancelled. :hehe:
Apparently the external law firm has drafted questions that have been sent out to ex and actual workers all across the three households as a starter. BP said the investigation will take 1 year and there will be NO running commentary about the results.
Quote from: wannable on March 21, 2021, 12:00:12 AM
Apparently the external law firm has drafted questions that have been sent out to ex and actual workers all across the three households as a starter. BP said the investigation will take 1 year and there will be NO running commentary about the results.
I?ve read that this Inquiry is going to encompass any and all incidents of supposed bullying of anyone by any senior staff member in the past few years as well, so in spite of the build up by the tabloids and others about this, I very much doubt that the final report in 2022 Sovereign Grant records is going to put Meghan in the dock.
The final verdict of the law firm is only to make or not changes to policies and procedures (for the SG), employees and may also include principals. The confidential report of findings is strictly for the principals to have. Queen, Charles, William. It wont be shared to the public. The SG will have the policies and procedures new ones or the same, that's what has been said from the beginning and to date hasn't changed.
Prince Harry and Prince William Team Could Have Been 'Brilliant' | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-prince-william-could-have-been-brilliant-team/)
Queen Elizabeth Considers Diversity Officer amid Racism Claims | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-considers-appointing-diversity-officer-amid-meghan-markle-racism-claims/)
Meghan and her PR are really working overtime. Who will speak up next, a kid she was in kindergarten with.
Meghan Markle's childhood boyfriend cannot believe allegations she bullied royal staff | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9425619/Meghan-Markles-childhood-sweetheart-believe-allegations-bullied-members-royal-staff.html)
For what it's worth, June 2022 Sovereign Grant report will have IMO (I'm like 99.9% sure) new and very much updated policies and procedures for both Staff and Principals*. The Principals will be 'updated' to this era with the new guru ethnics person. The shouting and screaming and bad treatment is 5 years old past. As I said, this bullying policies in big, medium companies is only about 5 years old. I worked in oil, giant, 5 years old. New robotics co. 3.5 years old.
Possible leaks? 50/50 to Valentine Low, The Times or Camilla Tominey, The Telegraph.
* For the Senior Royal Working members. Ex Andrew and Ex Meghan are the ones the press is pointing a finger. Andrew will probably be recommended by his mother to take the progam personally asap, for his 'home' employees. Not a peep can or should come from his cleaner, driver, etc. during his forever home for jail.
Non of those articles have to do with the Bullying claim, but with the Oprah interview. :flower:
The bullying claim, I believe we wont have any more news until March-June 2022.
Royal staff have reportedly taken back Meghan Markle bullying claims (https://uk.style.yahoo.com/royal-staff-reportedly-taken-back-094900042.html)
QuoteBut now, in the newly added epilogue for Finding Freedom: Harry & Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family, authors Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand reveal how Royal staffers requested that their claims be taken back.
"Two of the individuals," the epilogue says, "asked for any allegations made to HR about their experiences with Meghan to be rescinded."
The epilogue also addressed the Palace's investigation into the claims: "Employees who worked for Harry and Meghan [were] invited to give testimony about her alleged behaviour in the workplace (a move also welcomed by the Sussexes, who sources said hoped the process would 'shed light on the reality of these rumours')."
The investigation into the claims, which is being carried out by an independent law firm, were due to be released in June of this year. But, the investigation has been delayed and details of any findings are not expected to be released to the public until 20
@Curryong-I recall you mentioning this in an earlier thread a few months ago.
Valentine Low said on Twitter a few days ago nothing has been withdrawn because it was Jason Knauf who forwarded the complaints to Simon Case.
I will check out that Twitter post
@PrincessOfPeace . Do you recall if it was on his Twitter account?
Here's the tweet.
https://twitter.com/valentinelow/status/1433066427498516484?s=20
A Tweet that doesn?t answer the question of whether the two staff members had/have withdrawn their complaints. If Low knew that had happened when his article that came out just before the Oprah interview that caused such a stir, he wasn?t being completely candid at the time, was he?
And I did indeed mention that the two staff members had withdrawn their allegations with the same sort of rebuttal that Scobie has now come out with.
AFAIR I posted it on here at around the time there was the kerfuffle in the media as to whether Knauf would be appearing in Meghan?s case against the DM for copyright. He did indeed give testimony by document after which the DM?s case collapsed like a flat souffl?. It was months ago, anyway.
Facts: An email from Jason to Simon. Jason is the man Valentine refers to. The Sussexes had more than a dozen, to be exact 18 staff members for them alone.
Fact: Low still did not answer the question he was asked by a fellow Tweeter. That was ?Is it true (had he heard) that the two staff members referred to which Scobie referenced, withdrew their complaints? (after being told that Jason had referred the entire matter to Case.)
Fact: I heard that months ago, and TLLK correctly remembered that I posted it here.
It doesn?t matter how many staff members were employed by the Sussexes. We don?t know how many are going to speak to the Inquiry or how many have withdrawn their complaints like the two mentioned. So let?s stick to facts we know.
IMO those former members of the Sussex staff can go forward and meet with the third party investigation team. If a couple of them have determined that they were not bullied by the Duchess of Sussex, then they can relate their experience to the team. Anyone who believes that they were bullied can likewise share their experiences.
The ultimate goal IMHO is to create an environment in which BRF staff can truly have "Dignity in the Workplace." That should apply to all including "the Principals." There should be a protocol in place so that those who believe that they're being bullied can go to their HR representative and be able to log their concerns.
I think we?ve agreed on these points before that you have so lucidly expressed, TLLK. There should have been some sort of protocol and mechanism in place in all the Palaces for decades IMO. Staff for Princes Charles and Andrew have reportedly had their grievances. Some have recounted them in bios of the two royals.
The point is however, that as far as this Inquiry is concerned we don?t know who is going to come forward to complain about what, or how many people are involved. And all should of course be invited to speak, including ?the Principals?. However, who knows, some ex employees may well have moved on and just don?t want to participate.
Royal aides reveal bullying claim before Meghan's Oprah ...The Times & The Sunday Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk) ? article ? royal-aides-reveal-...
Mar 2, 2021 ? The complaint claimed that she drove two personal assistants out of ...
The 'list of personal assistants is very very limited. Each one has 1, 2 driven out. They were poor performers or there's a pattern of short term/turn over of employment.
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Article by The Times Royah Nikkah on the investigation.
QuoteAn investigation into claims that the Duchess of Sussex bullied members of her staff has led to Buckingham Palace ?improving the policies and procedures? in its HR department, according to royal sources.
However, the findings from the highly sensitive inquiry, which was paid for privately by the Queen and conducted by an independent law firm, will never be published.
It is understood they will be kept under wraps to protect the privacy of those who took part and to limit tensions between the Sussexes and the palace. Courtiers have insisted the inquiry, which was launched in March last year, should ?not be played out in public? to ensure those who took part felt ?comfortable?.
Some participants are deeply disappointed the report is being ?buried?.
It is understood that the inquiry only recently concluded but those who took part have not been informed of its outcome which has caused upset.
Changes to the royal household?s HR policies as a result of the inquiry were expected to be published in the annual Sovereign Grant report later this month, which details the use of the annual payment by the government to the Queen to fund the royal family?s official duties, and includes royal staffing.
The Sunday Times understands Buckingham Palace no longer plans to make any public statement on the inquiry, or even publicly acknowledge the subsequent changes to its HR policies.
The palace instigated the unprecedented investigation after it emerged that two senior members of staff claimed they had been bullied by Meghan during her time as a working royal. Another former employee said they had been ?humiliated? and claimed two members of staff had been bullied. One aide claimed it felt ?more like emotional cruelty and manipulation, which I guess could also be called bullying?.
Meghan, 40, denied the allegations which were first reported in The Times in March 2021. Her lawyers described the claims as a ?calculated smear campaign? before the Sussexes? interview with Oprah Winfrey the same month and said the media was ?being used by Buckingham Palace to peddle a wholly false narrative? about the duchess.The palace, which initially planned to conduct the inquiry internally, said it would ?not tolerate any bullying and harassment? and was ?very concerned by the allegations? that Meghan forced out two personal assistants and undermined the confidence of a third.
A palace spokesman said: ?Members of staff involved at the time, including those who have left the household, will be invited to participate to see if lessons can be learnt. The royal household has had a dignity at work policy in place for a number of years and does not and will not tolerate bullying or harassment in the workplace.?
After the allegations emerged, including claims that young members of staff were ?broken? and reduced to tears by Meghan?s behaviour, a royal source said: ?The actual worst incidences haven?t come out. There are some harrowing stories to tell.? Another palace source said: ?There?s a lot that could come out in the wash that hasn?t been told.?
The original complaint was made in October 2018 by Jason Knauf, then communications secretary for the Sussexes, who later served as chief executive of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge?s Royal Foundation until January this year.
Something tells me if the report acquitted Meghan it would have been made public.
I?m not surprised it?s not released. Workplace investigation reports are kept confidential in most situations.
As I recall, didn't BP state that they were always planning to keep the findings private?
IMO it will remain private like a card under the sleeve. That card can be cut into several mini cards/victims. I hear 3 original files all in safe hands.
So when Harry and Meghan do anything untoward, out comes a mini card to the media. Let us see if they are effectively done over like the Windsor couple, live a real quite life in Montechito. Start counting days until a itch, roll down a window?.
Quote from: wannable on June 19, 2022, 08:09:43 PM
IMO it will remain private like a card under the sleeve. That card can be cut into several mini cards/victims. I hear 3 original files all in safe hands.
So when Harry and Meghan do anything untoward, out comes a mini card to the media. Let us see if they are effectively done over like the Windsor couple, live a real quite life in Montechito. Start counting days until a itch, roll down a window?.
Well, that?s hardly likely as apparently most of those who gave accounts to the Inquiry have never been informed of the findings of the investigation, leading supposedly to upsets. BP staff, even courtiers, even if they are virulently anti-Meghan, won?t be given access to the files. And if anything gets shown or imparted to the media then that directly contravenes privacy legislation.
And, The investigation would not have either exonerated or cast blame on Meghan because it was focused on (future) palace policies to protect the workplace environment around BP and other royal workplaces. The palace didn't specifically investigate as to whether those allegations were true or false. BP and KP HR practices may not have come out of this sparking bright either, so that will mean that the Palaces have their own reasons for keeping this report under wraps.
I am a firm believer where there is smoke there is fire and that in keeping the report locked away for good, it protects all parties.....the very people interviewed and Harry and Meghan. And that there have been mistakes made by both sides in this issue. Nobody is perfect and i have seem money, power, titles go to people's head and then self-entitlement along with egos goes out of control. Andrew is a perfect example of that and Harry's behavior is showing the same, both meed to learn to be very quiet and keep out of sight for a while.......like a few years so people cam digest the the issues and maybe work things out,
I?m not being mean, with those two you have to have several cards up the sleeve and be 1 step or more forward. Their independence is BS, they are obsessed with William and Kate. If they truly were not obsessed they?d not have trash talked Harry?s family.
Dangerous people have to be dealt with cards that if you want to call it blackmail so be it. You do another Oprah, we will spill the tea so to speak. I see no other way to deal with those 2.
Absolutely and totally agree with your comment.......*never* trust a person that has lied about you, JUST NEVER!
Quote from: wannable on June 20, 2022, 03:24:48 PM
I?m not being mean, with those two you have to have several cards up the sleeve and be 1 step or more forward. Their independence is BS, they are obsessed with William and Kate. If they truly were not obsessed they?d not have trash talked Harry?s family.
Dangerous people have to be dealt with cards that if you want to call it blackmail so be it. You do another Oprah, we will spill the tea so to speak. I see no other way to deal with those 2.
In what way are the Sussexes obsessed with William and Kate? Are they always taking about Harry?s brother and sister in law every five minutes for months? Because the only people that I can see who are obsessed with anybody are tabloid journalists, royal authors, ?royal experts?, media commentators etc. They?re the ones that can?t stop talking, and haven?t stopped talking about the Sussexes day in day out in newspapers, docos, YouTube channels etc for over three years.
BP made it very clear at the start of the Inquiry that the investigation would be centred around how HR processes in the Royal palaces could be improved for the future. It was the media who lied, stating that the inquiry would make Meghan and the allegations of her bullying left, right and centre.
It has also always been made clear by the Palace that the findings of this inquiry would be kept private. The law firm in charge of the procedure didn?t even call Meghan (or Harry) to testify. No part of this report that even mentions Meghan can be leaked AT ALL due to British privacy laws. Not now, not in the future.
Yes
@Curryong is correct in that the findings were not going to be made public. Going forward this information a will create thenecessary changes to HR policies.
Honestly I don't believe that the Sussexes are "jealous " of the Cambridges.
Watch it being leaked not sooner not later, with patience when necessary
Quote from: wannable on June 20, 2022, 11:24:57 PM
Watch it being leaked not sooner not later, with patience when necessary
Well, if BP want to break privacy laws, (and it will be quite obvious from where any leaks come) then so be it. However they seem to believe in being seen to take the high moral ground in everything so we will see, won?t we?
There?s no privacy law in this matter. The Queen paid for the investigation and there are 5 victims angry it won?t be made public.
It?s already been explained a thousand times via statements from BP that the focus of the investigation wasn?t going to be the Sussexes but recommendations about procedural HR in the future. It has never been announced who was spoken to or why in the course of this investigation. Five people, twenty five, fifty, eighty. There could have been dozens of Palace staffers complaining about the way Sir Humphrey So and So, the Hon Primrose Styles-Google and superior Mr Joe Bloggs BEM spoke to them in the past.
And if privacy doesn?t matter then everybody concerned should come forward and say their piece. They won?t, because everybody?s complaints were taken in camera and under privacy/confidentiality clauses. To protect them as well as the persons they may have been complaining about.
Palace prioritised peace, whatever the cost to their staff: In the wake of Harry and Meghan's acrimonious departure, officials were simply unable to predict just how this most defensive of couples would react, writes REBECCA ENGLISH
Palace prioritised peace, whatever the cost to their staff: In wake of Harry and Meghan's departure | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-10967173/Palace-prioritised-peace-cost-staff-wake-Harry-Meghans-departure.html)
Buckingham Palace faces questions over Meghan 'bullying' probe as it 'revises' its HR policies | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10968145/Buckingham-Palace-faces-questions-Meghan-bullying-probe-revises-HR-policies.html)
Palace refusal to publish findings of Meghan 'bullying' probe is an 'olive branch' to the Sussexes | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10969667/Palace-refusal-publish-findings-Meghan-bullying-probe-olive-branch-Sussexes.html)
Royal Family LIVE: 'Smear campaign' Reason Meghan bullying probe not public pinpointed | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1633228/Royal-Family-LIVE-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-Queen-Kate-Middleton-Prince-William)
Royal Family bring in NEW policies for palace staff over Meghan bullying claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1633102/meghan-markle-bullying-claims-latest-prince-harry-Buckingham-palace-staff-royal-family)
Sussex fans demand bullying probe is published 'They have nothing on Meghan!' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1633481/Sussex-fans-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-Buckingham-Palace-bullying-report)
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-29/palace-wont-reveal-findings-of-bullying-inquiry-after-claims-against-meghan
Just in case anyone forgets here's Valentine Low in his own words talking about the bullying claims:
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1368589231514345480?s=20&t=pbM2TJhr8ZquWRbtBMH8Dw
Nothing is likely to publish anything in full ever because, as I stated in a former post, things about Palace senior staff and courtiers? behaviour may be there for all to read. If anything was alleged about Meghan then the Sussexes would be able to say, with some justification, ?Then why weren?t we called before this Inquiry to answer these accusations? Why weren?t we allowed the chance to rebut them??
It was felt by Palace advisers that procedures (including future complaints about members of the RF and courtiers) had to be clearly set out, and so it was felt that it was easier all round to ask for a wide ranging inquiry to change matters.
As for Valentine Low, he obeyed Palace instructions to fire his cannon in The Times in the hope that the revelations about Meghan being a bully published just before the Oprah interview would destroy the Sussexes. It didn?t.
On another Meghan subject I remember Low stating months earlier when the couple had just departed the UK, that he?d heard from within the Palace that Meghan had been ?in a very bad state? emotionally (backing up her assertion in that interview that she was suicidal) but that he didn?t know all the details.
Palace must reject Harry and Meghan ?lies?, says former aide | News | The Times (https://archive.ph/bmyEz)
QuoteA former Buckingham Palace employee who claims they were bullied by the Duchess of Sussex has called on the palace to hit back at the allegations that are expected to be made in the Sussexes? Netflix series Harry & Meghan.
The former employee, who is one of many members of staff bound by a confidentiality agreement, said: ?The only way to end it once for good is for us to be allowed to speak, and for the palace to firmly reject their lies.?
The six-part documentary series, which is released in part tomorrow, contains serious allegations against the royal household, including claims that the palace leaked and planted stories.
There are also claims, highlighted in a trailer that was released earlier this week, that the attacks on the duchess were motivated by racism. Some palace insiders were ?seething with rage? at the allegations, according to one source.
However, one unanswered question is how the documentary will address the allegations ? first reported in The Times ? that the duchess bullied members of staff. A review of the allegations was conducted by an independent law firm, but Buckingham Palace refused to publish the results.
The Sussexes have denied any allegations that the duchess bullied staff.?It?s emotionally draining,? they said. ?It feels like there?s no end to it.?
The former employee called on the palace to ?step up? by lifting all the non-disclosure agreements, and said they should ?publicly respond to [the Sussexes?] attacks?.
Buckingham Palace has maintained a strict policy of not responding to the advance material from the series, saying that they want to concentrate on the royal family?s engagements this week.
It remains uncertain whether they will make any official response to the series, although that may change if the allegations are serious enough.
After the duke and duchess?s interview with Oprah Winfrey last year, in which they implied that an unnamed member of the royal family was racist, Buckingham Palace released a statement saying: ?Some recollections may vary.?
In the latest Netflix trailer, Harry says: ?No-one knows the full truth? We know the full truth.?
The former employee said: ?They always use vague terms ?the truth?, ?my truth?, but nothing concrete is said.?
Instead the duchess uses people like the journalist Omid Scobie to convey her narrative that some people within the palace were racist, the former employee believes.
The palace declined to comment, but it is understood that they are ?monitoring events closely? and do not believe there is any point saying anything until they have seen the programme.
The former employee also believes that Meghan has been trying to push other former Palace employees into breaking their confidentiality agreements so they can be taken to court.
?Valentine Low: Prince Harry and Meghan have declared all-out war against the royal family
?She knows we can?t financially protect ourselves by going to court, so she keeps pushing.
?It?s all a game for her. And she is loving it.?
While the former employee is mistaken in thinking that the duchess could take them to court ? in the event of a breach of the agreement, it would be the palace who could sue, not Meghan ? their fear of legal action remains real.They added: ?I certainly have chosen to remain silent out of respect for the crown, but if they keep attacking us and our characters, reputation etc. we need to feel we are equally supported by the royal family.?
Other former employees who worked for the Sussexes have also questioned the narrative being put out by Netflix. One pointed to the scenes of frenzied media activity in the trailer that have been revealed as relating to Katie Price rather than the duke and duchess. They said: ?She never confronted scenes where she was mobbed because we did so much to protect her? so they?ve had to make them up!?
That included a statement released shortly after she was revealed as Harry?s girlfriend in which the palace made robust criticism of media harassment, as well as legal complaints and complaints to the media watchdog IPSO.
The source added that coverage of Meghan was overwhelmingly positive until her father Thomas Markle, who failed to attend the couple?s wedding after colluding with fake paparazzi photographs, started turning the media narrative against her. ?It will be interesting to see how her own family is referenced in their movie. It was glowing coverage until her own father started his campaign.?
If this former employee feels threatened then she should keep on expressing her concerns to the senior courtiers at BP. It wasn?t Meghan or Harry who insisted on confidentiality agreements for office and personal staff who work for the RF. And it certainly wasn?t the Sussexes who set up the terms of or procedures for the legal Inquiry that took place.
I remain convinced that the full exposure of the findings of that Inquiry will not be published in the lifetimes of the present King and the next one, not only because two of the witnesses at least were senior staffers at KP like Jason K who was an aide and Sec to William but partly because the behaviour of senior courtiers and others at BP might be shown as less than honourable or glowing. The terms of that Inquiry, remember, did not just encompass the Sussexes, but other members of the Royal Family and Household who may have lost their temper and/or bullied or unfairly blamed others for mistakes made.
Which is why I believe that the information will not go public until long after those royals are deceased.