Books written about and by the Sussexes Part 4.

[HistoryGirl2]

^But he courts the press, too? That?s what I find so strange. He loves being in the spotlight and that requires media. He?s as much a part of the machine as the RF is. He uses the press to put his narrative out there, whether true or not.

I?d completely understand the perspective if he had decided to live as a private citizen and he wanted nothing to do with media. But that?s not the path he chose. That?s where the hypocrisy comes in for me.

He?s not angry at the press. He?s angry that he wasn?t presented in the press in a certain light. Those two things aren?t the same thing.

Also, I don?t think his family take any issue with him ?being free.? He wanted to have one foot in and one foot out. They?re the ones that told him it was one or the other, so they didn?t take issue with him choosing to leave. I think their issue is that he?s decided to talk about them ad nauseam in order to make a career for himself.

That?s another irony that borders on the ridiculous. ?Free?? He makes money off his title and his main selling point is telling people what he thinks of the monarchy any chance he gets. Selling personal family moments and conversations to the highest bidder. He?s not free from anything, by choice.

He could be if he really wanted to, of course. The RF have moved on. And I think that?s what he hasn?t come to terms with. That his family could so easily say, ?You wanna leave? Okay, cool.? Every step that Charles and William have taken shows that they?re ready to move forward publicly with the members they currently have.

Now, on the personal side do I think they?ve moved on? No. I think (whether rightly or wrongly) they feel as betrayed as Harry feels. I think both sides feel wronged. But the main difference is that William and Charles have assets at their disposal that allow them to move forward more easily. Harry is the one that needs to make money consistently. They?re fine.

[changemhysoul]

The one headline is super funny, Charles and William decided to never meet Harry alone again after Oprah.

As if Harry didn't flee the entire country to get away from them.  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Like, this man left the country because he couldn't trust, his father, nor his brother, his grandmother's teams or his families teams. Charles and William are playing catch-up now but it's a little two late. They can't break his trust first and then turn around expect him to even try and keep theirs.

Also, I wouldn't feel embarrassed for the family, as they continue to let those close to them talk to authors about private on-goings in the various books and etc.

And I go based on, if everything believes that everything  written nasty or bad written about Harry and Meghan is real, then I super believe the nasty things written about the families personalities from the very same papers are real.

You'd think, as much as they want to cut off Harry, they would start cutting off their friends, staff and etc that continue to leak. So, not an ounce of feeling sorry from me.

In better news, Ramona Rosales won the American Photography Award for Prince Harry's Spare book cover, American Photography #39

[HistoryGirl2]

^Actually, he left the country when the RF informed him that his desire to be a part time working royal whilst also having commercial deals was not going to be possible. I say that because I think it?s an important distinction to make. Harry didn?t originally wanna stop being a working royal. He wanted to do it part time. And he?s currently in the process of suing because he wants security in order to return to that country he apparently ran away from.

And it seems to be William and Charles who aren?t champing at the bit to speak to him. As Harry has told them the ball is in their court and they?ve yet to reach out.

[TLLK]

^Actually, he left the country when the RF informed him that his desire to be a part time working royal whilst also having commercial deals was not going to be possible. I say that because I think it?s an important distinction to make. Harry didn?t originally wanna stop being a working royal. He wanted to do it part time. And he?s currently in the process of suing because he wants security in order to return to that country he apparently ran away from.

And it seems to be William and Charles who aren?t champing at the bit to speak to him. As Harry has told them the ball is in their court and they?ve yet to reach out.

After reading Spare, that was the impression that I came away with too. I truly believe that Prince Harry wanted the "Half-in and half-out" arrangement where the Sussexes could  live outside of the UK but still maintain a residence there and have the opportunity to make commercial deals while retaining their military appointments and patronages. I don't recall Prince Harry stating that he was "running away" from his family.

Now I can understand why the BRF members prefer to have others with them while speaking with the Sussexes and  I believe that the couple would also prefer that type of arrangement.

[TLLK]

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[HistoryGirl2]

After reading Spare, that was the impression that I came away with too. I truly believe that Prince Harry wanted the "Half-in and half-out" arrangement where the Sussexes could  live outside of the UK but still maintain a residence there and have the opportunity to make commercial deals while retaining their military appointments and patronages. I don't recall Prince Harry stating that he was "running away" from his family.

Now I can understand why the BRF members prefer to have others with them while speaking with the Sussexes and  I believe that the couple would also prefer that type of arrangement.

I would think it prudent, as well. I think were they to attend the coronation, polite small talk would be the order of the day. I don?t think most members of the RF would relish having their private conversations published in a book. And since the Sussexes believe the RF feed stories about them to the press, I can?t see them wanting to have personal conversations either.

And I would find that to be such a strange transition. To go from being a member of the RF to someone that?s now considered an outsider that one has to be wary of. I would say I feel for him on that front because that would personally devastate me, but it?s a choice that he made himself not something that was done to him.

[Amabel2]

I think it was inevitable, given the hatred he obviously cherishes for his being the younger son... And hte fact that they walked out.  It was always obvious that they were going to have to sell dirty secrets in order to make the kind of money they need for their lifestyle, I didnt' think, initially, that Harry would do that sort of thing, but that was before he revealed how much anger he's had about being the SPARE...

[HistoryGirl2]

^He also seems to be a very impulsive person that doesn?t tend to to think far ahead in advance. That?s why I wonder how much truth there is to him wanting to reconcile. Is he just saying that to sound good publicly? Or does he genuinely think that his father and brother would just move past something like that and move on? In my head I think, no one could possibly be that dense.

Everyone makes their own choices, but when you publish a tell-all book without asking permission from the other people you write about, it?s only natural that you would be 100 percent aware that they may never want to speak to you again.

[TLLK]

I would think it prudent, as well. I think were they to attend the coronation, polite small talk would be the order of the day. I don?t think most members of the RF would relish having their private conversations published in a book. And since the Sussexes believe the RF feed stories about them to the press, I can?t see them wanting to have personal conversations either.

And I would find that to be such a strange transition. To go from being a member of the RF to someone that?s now considered an outsider that one has to be wary of. I would say I feel for him on that front because that would personally devastate me, but it?s a choice that he made himself not something that was done to him.

Agreed. Polite conversation about the weather, the size of the crowds, any amusing encounters behind the scenes along with small talk children and pets would likely suffice.

[Amabel2]

^He also seems to be a very impulsive person that doesn?t tend to to think far ahead in advance. That?s why I wonder how much truth there is to him wanting to reconcile. Is he just saying that to sound good publicly? Or does he genuinely think that his father and brother would just move past something like that and move on? In my head I think, no one could possibly be that dense.

Everyone makes their own choices, but when you publish a tell-all book without asking permission from the other people you write about, it?s only natural that you would be 100 percent aware that they may never want to speak to you again.

there is that as well.  Look at how he swung around during the time when he was publicisign the book..  Camilla leaves bodies in the street.. No i get on very well with Camila..
I didnt say the family were racist because i did not literally use the word
Stuff like that, he honestly perhaps does not realise that what he said today contradicts what he said 2 days ago

[Nightowl]

there is that as well.  Look at how he swung around during the time when he was publicisign the book..  Camilla leaves bodies in the street.. No i get on very well with Camila..
I didnt say the family were racist because i did not literally use the word
Stuff like that, he honestly perhaps does not realise that what he said today contradicts what he said 2 days ago

I totally agree with your comment and History Girl, I think there is something very wrong with Harry emotionally and mentally, some see it and some don't.  He is going to crash someday and it won't be pretty sight to see.

[HistoryGirl2]

^Yes, but there?s also a calculating side to him, too. That?s what I believe the back and forth about Camilla and racism in the RF is about. He?s also quite calculating with the press. It?s as if he?s constantly seeking a certain narrative. His mother was said to have read every word about herself in the press, he seems to be a chip off that block, which I think, partially feeds his anger and feelings of inferiority.

[Amabel2]

well he did say that in an interview with the press, that he read all the papers bout himself, and he did not know why he did this.  Diana used to read all the stuff about herslef too, and her staff told her that they advised her not to, but she persisted.

[HistoryGirl2]

^You?re right. I had forgotten that bit in the book where he talked about waking Meghan up in the middle of the night to show her something written about her in the tabloids. How sad. It?s an addiction like anything else, I suppose.

[changemhysoul]

After 11 weeks, Spare has dropped to number 4 on the UK The Sunday Times Best Sellers list

Also, Spare has sold over half a Million hard cover copies in the UK alone.

As of April 9th he has sold 667,545 copies in hardcover within 12 weeks of publication.

This does not include eBooks and Audio copies of the book.

[TLLK]

^You?re right. I had forgotten that bit in the book where he talked about waking Meghan up in the middle of the night to show her something written about her in the tabloids. How sad. It?s an addiction like anything else, I suppose.

Which I believe happened while she was pregnant with Archie.  :no: I hope that Prince Harry has discussed this compulsion with his therapist(s) and has received some sound advice on how to manage his behavior when it comes to reading the news.

[HistoryGirl2]

^Same. Even if they win the lawsuit, it will not stop the media from publishing things that he deems unflattering or don?t fit into his narrative about their lives. Dealing with this compulsion would likely be easier if they chose to be private people, but that is not what they want.

[TLLK]

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[changemhysoul]

Sorry, I forgot about the other thread and since it was, a book sort of about Harry because he came up a lot.

I believe this one should be fine, it legit proves Harry point about his family leaking and what he talks about in Spare. He didn't mention in Spare that parts of the conversation with William being in Battle of Brothers. Only, William, made sure to leave out the part about attacking Harry to his friends. No railing against his friends either for betraying his trust. No royal reporters coming out to talk about how William can't trust his friends not to reveal convo's.

It proves the larger part of Spare, the family is willing to leak and speak, as long as they have a cloak or cover. And some could say that, well, William was just talking to a friend but you would think that he would be shrewd enough to know what to say to people and what not to say, in case of things like this. Something of this level, should've been kept within the family -if spoken at all.



Since the release of Spare, they've proven his entire point. If people are going to say whatever, leak whatever. I think it's fine but don't get mad him for playing the game and being willing to put a face to that play.

[HistoryGirl2]

Who claimed that royal reporters didn?t have sources that tell them what happens with members of the RF? Harry?s claim is that the RF intentionally put out false stories about him to make him look bad and then when Meghan came on, that she was so popular that the RF had to make up bad stories about her because otherwise she would just outshine everyone. Which is an interesting contradiction from the way he also claims the British media despised her; just not sure which one it is in the end.

Harry?s book actually proved that the majority of what was printed by these royal reporters that he claims lie all the time was actually true.

The difference is perspective. Harry believes that everything he says is true and anyone who thinks differently is a liar and a saboteur. I can?t say whether William is a liar or not. But what I do know is that if everyone says they have a problem with you, then you?re probably the problematic person, not everyone else.

[Curryong]

Who claimed that royal reporters didn?t have sources that tell them what happens with members of the RF? Harry?s claim is that the RF intentionally put out false stories about him to make him look bad and then when Meghan came on, that she was so popular that the RF had to make up bad stories about her because otherwise she would just outshine everyone. Which is an interesting contradiction from the way he also claims the British media despised her; just not sure which one it is in the end.

Harry?s book actually proved that the majority of what was printed by these royal reporters that he claims lie all the time was actually true.

The difference is perspective. Harry believes that everything he says is true and anyone who thinks differently is a liar and a saboteur. I can?t say whether William is a liar or not. But what I do know is that if everyone says they have a problem with you, then you?re probably the problematic person, not everyone else.

We know members of the RF are capable of employing spin doctors and others because of Charles?s use of Mark Bolland as a spin doctor to rehabilitate Camilla?s reputation and make himself look better. Bolland did such a good job of casting other members of the Royal Family in the shade (including William and Harry, his own sons) that Charles?s siblings complained to the Queen, who in fact asserted herself for once and insisted that Bolland be sacked. Charles did so but then re-employed his friend as ?a consultant? some months later. That was a clear case of planting false stories with royal reporters to make one particular family member look better. And remember Harry and William grew up with the Press taking sides about their parents, one side and the other planting stories, and then after Diana?s death, came more spin with Bolland.

And it was and is clear that members of the KP Office are more than capable of planting stories to make William and Kate look wonderful while others not so much so.

Harry didn?t want the Press poking its nose into his and Meghan?s lives. He objected to the racist articles about Meghan and Compton and ?dreadlocked? Doria and ?exotic blood? and appearing on Pornhub before they were married. The tabloids weren?t used to blow-backs about such articles and got their backs up. There were articles about Meghan hugging members of the public. How different from dignified Kate! They were then further offended because of the arrangements for the wedding, with only one of their High and Mightiness royal reporters allowed into St George?s to report it.

Then came the christening arrangements which they regarded as an insult to themselves, in spite of a YouGov poll being taken that showed that most of the British public weren?t bothered about the Sussexes showing the baby off on the steps. So what was all that indignation about? Reporters not being treated as the RF?s special friends who had to be treated with huge respect because after all, they were all ROYAL REPORTERS weren?t they, at least in their own eyes.

From that came huge amounts of subtle and none so subtle stories about Meghan wearing coloured nail polish, Meghan wanting woke things for the nursery, the Sussexes going to bring their children up gender fluid, Meghan doing this, not doing that. Barring neighbouring servants from the estate car park at Windsor. Every day a new bit of shade. And of course let?s not forget the avocados, How cute it was that Kate had William buying her avocados as a gift when she was pregnant, while Meghan making avacados on toast for a friend was enabling the murder of Mexican peasants.

And it was Harry announcing at the end of the SA tour that they had decided to sue the Daily Fail that really set the cat among the pigeons. How dare he and Meghan object to a newspaper printing a private letter from daughter to father. It was a national duty for that newspaper to print such a letter because after all newspapers are gusrdians of doing the right, always!

From then on, all British journalists rose up to defend the brother and sisterhood and the Sussexes never got an even break in any story afterwards. That made the task of Press Officers and others at KP so much easier.

These Cambridges are human beings that could be cast by the Press in a golden light because after all, they played and still play, the game with the Press that the RF and their servants at the Palaces have always played. Giving out stories they knew would always be given the best aspect to. Because of course the other human beings, the Sussexes, didn?t want to play the game and therefore they deserved to be cast into the outer darkness. Contempt of the Press must never, never be shown by any royal again, because they will know what the consequences will be.

[Nightowl]

^Wow, a book!

[sara8150]

You remember late Diana,Princess of Wales says no R or N that not kind appropriate words if Diana was here today from heaven Diana will not happy with Harry?s memoir books but Diana will ignore Harry?s books ever

Princess Diana 'smacked' Prince Harry for 'casual racism' to bus conductor, book claims - Mirror Online

[HistoryGirl2]

We know members of the RF are capable of employing spin doctors and others because of Charles?s use of Mark Bolland as a spin doctor to rehabilitate Camilla?s reputation and make himself look better. Bolland did such a good job of casting other members of the Royal Family in the shade (including William and Harry, his own sons) that Charles?s siblings complained to the Queen, who in fact asserted herself for once and insisted that Bolland be sacked. Charles did so but then re-employed his friend as ?a consultant? some months later. That was a clear case of planting false stories with royal reporters to make one particular family member look better. And remember Harry and William grew up with the Press taking sides about their parents, one side and the other planting stories, and then after Diana?s death, came more spin with Bolland.

And it was and is clear that members of the KP Office are more than capable of planting stories to make William and Kate look wonderful while others not so much so.

Harry didn?t want the Press poking its nose into his and Meghan?s lives. He objected to the racist articles about Meghan and Compton and ?dreadlocked? Doria and ?exotic blood? and appearing on Pornhub before they were married. The tabloids weren?t used to blow-backs about such articles and got their backs up. There were articles about Meghan hugging members of the public. How different from dignified Kate! They were then further offended because of the arrangements for the wedding, with only one of their High and Mightiness royal reporters allowed into St George?s to report it.

And again, that all comes from Harry?s perspective. And didn?t want to play the game? They?re playing it now. But you?re right about one thing, no, a Royal cannot show contempt for the papers because media is a necessary aspect of what they do. And Harry didn?t want the Palace poking their noses into their lives? Hate to break it to them, but that is kind of what their jobs are. And as I?ve said many, many times, no one would have faulted them if they?d just said, ?You know what? Being a working member of the family just isn?t for us. Thanks for the opportunity, but we?re setting off on our own.?

That is not what they said. They initially did want to continue being working members?part time. That was nixed. That was when they went on the campaign to sell their connection to the family because they actually do love being in the papers. Their issue isn?t being in the papers or media intrusion in their lives or people knowing and seeing their private moments. It?s how they are portrayed by that media that bothers them.

Do the RF employ people to make them look good? Hmm. Let?s think. Yes. What exactly is secretive about this? Harry benefitted from them greatly when he was out gallivanting through town or stripping in front of strangers in Las Vegas or saying racist things about colleagues.

The claim, again, is that the RF purposefully fed bad stories about Meghan to make them look good. I?d be willing to believe that she was an angel come down from Heaven and he was an innocent boy and that they were both treated so so poorly by the RF, if I didn?t have my own eyes and ears to tell me what they?re really about. See, I?ve made up my opinion on them based on their words and their actions. Not what the Daily Mail wrote about them or what the royal reporters say. It?s their hypocrisy and entitlement that makes them unlikeable and their?well, let?s be kind and say ?inconsistencies??that have made me realize who they are and why no one at the Palace liked working with them.

I think they thought if they set off and took control of their own narrative without the mean, evil Palace at the helm, that the whole world would adore them and finally, their side would vindicate them. We?ve seen how that panned out. Maybe, just maybe, there?s no conspiracy to make them seem unlikeable. Maybe they just are unlikeable.

[wannable]

Their SussexRoyal website had a bunch of demands, none of it stood. They started deleting one by one.