Kate set to return to Royal duties as she recovers from her acute morning sickness | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2772246/Kate-set-return-Royal-duties-recovers-acute-morning-sickness.html)
Return to? :lmao2:
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The Duchess of Cambridge is preparing to return to work after recovering from three weeks of acute morning sickness.
According to Royal aides, the Duchess is planning to resume official engagements next month, with a spokesman telling The Mail on Sunday: 'There will be engagements in October and November. We just haven't announced them yet.'
The Duchess has been suffering from hyperemesis gravidarum – the condition she suffered during her pregnancy with Prince George. Although she has not been admitted to hospital this time, she has received medical assistance at Kensington Palace.
Now that she is feeling better, the couple are expected to move into their new ten-bedroom Georgian pile, Anmer Hall, in Norfolk.
'While they will be predominantly living in Norfolk, the intention is for Kate to hop between London and Norfolk while looking after Prince George,' said a source.
A few engagements spaced out so she shows her "bump" spaced out until the birth hoping no one snaps a photo in Mustique, it's all so predictable....
Kate has nannies for the baby. It's weird that they are making it sound she's doing this single handedly
Thank you for sharing the article Limabeany. I'm guessing that since they expected the HG to return that her medical team was able to get a handle on the situation sooner this time around. Kate likely knows how to cope a little better this time around as well. As for those Oct./Nov. engagements, the annual Remembrance Day event at the Cenotaph is one of those events.
So that means that we will not be able to see her... just on a balcony!
^ I know I lived just fine without seeing her ... is anyone missing her?
You don't like her right?
^ In fact I like her it's just that girl brings nothing to the table that one would miss her ... she doesn't speak her mind , she is not involved in Charity work or matters that are important all there is to talk when she actually does her ONE engagement every full Moon is her hair and outfits and I have other celebs for that ...
It suddenly struck me the other day why do we expect his wife to be so into charity work? Her job is to support her husband and to have children. She is pregnant with her second child and suffering hg again. So they are going to be careful with her again. I am sure she will fulfil the charity role later but for now she is concentrating on her family.
Kate's predecessors managed to do charity work and have children and raise them. Kate is treated as some sort of a fragile flower even saying she must be "eased in." I think she's workshy. She had no family to raise during the time she dated William. But of course there are excuses for her.
She has the morning sickness but the last time soon after she managed to vacation. Even before she got pregnant she had little work ethic. And the excuse was that the Queen was giving a "grace period" something never really formally announced by the Queen and probably was speculation.
What does "support her husband" mean? She's a royal wife and a future Queen and her predecessors supported their husbands by assisting in royal duties in addition to being a loving, supportive wife.
Even women who don't have jobs manage to get out of the house and do charity work or pursue their own interests.
Billions of women support their husbands and do manage to work and/or pursue outside interests.
I suppose after the days of supporting the husband Kate will have excuses further down the road: 1) the difficulty of raising teenagers; 2) William has a midlife crisis and she can't possibly go out and work 2) and finally her being too old
This is the barefoot and pregnant school of thought.
Kate manages to leave the house to shop and go on trips but work, forget about it! She has to stay home and support her husband when the W word is mentioned to her.
The BRF is in a unique position with this third generation of royals, having the first and second alive and still working. There is no presedence, hopefully they are strategizing and restructuring, if not, I dont see any changes in the short term 1 to 2 years.
I think that as a senior Royal, charity work IS part of Kate's role -- wives (and husbands) who marry into the BRF are expected to do that type of work.
But as wannable says and as we've discussed before at length, the Royal family is in a unique position right now of having so many generations of adults. As a result, neither Will nor Harry has become a full-time Royal yet, and given that I think it makes sense for Kate to split her time between Royal engagements and her young child(ren). When Will goes full-time for the firm, I'm sure she will as well. Until then, having and raising children is ALSO part of her Royal role, and one that it makes sense to focus on since the many working Royals make that possible.
They are not merely "adults" the Queen and Prince Philip are up there in their late eighties and early nineties, respectively. She is giving some of the work to Prince Charles (who is a senior citizen). The three generations are all not young and vigorous, obviously. A thirty something couple should in this case be helping their elders. It is not a unique situation. George and Mary did work when they were a couple and he third in line. They had a lot more children too and did more. Fergie was married to the fourth in line but she still did work more than Kate does now. I don't see this as any sort of excuse when the scenario for Kate and will is examined.
I don't think Will is comfortable with his role and pushing off full time duties for as long as he can. And the Queen who may not be happy with it is non-confrontational by nature and letting him do as he pleases.
I don't think the Queen should be used as an excuse for Will's reluctance and playing at being normal.
Will gets more free passes than any royal I've ever read about. IMO anyway. Kate does too. The list of excuses could fill an encyclopedia now. A pity.
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Quote from: wannable on September 29, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
The BRF is in a unique position with this third generation of royals, having the first and second alive and still working. There is no presedence, hopefully they are strategizing and restructuring, if not, I dont see any changes in the short term 1 to 2 years.
The Queen will be 90 in two years. Philip will be "up there." So I guess until the Queen and Philip are totally exhausted only then will the Golden Prince decide he's ready to do full time duties. Sounds like a selfish spoiled brat to me.
William (and Kate) and Harry are grandchildren to ER, hence third generation. George and Mary, children to the Monarch, second generation, Andrew and Fergie, children to HM, second generation.
There hasn't been this actual situation, where the BRF can take a quick look book decision as a what to do. I know what I would do, but obviously HM and the grey men need to move fast. If not, I don't see a change in the routine, that's why William went for ambulance service.
Whilst HM generation and her cousins are working, first generation, plus her four children, second generation, factor in the money expenses...Harry stay in the military until 55.
I think it's hair splitting. At 32, Will and Kate are not babies. They can up their royal duties from the pathetically low numbers they have now without stepping on any toes.
William is avoiding royal duties FT IMO. I think the Queen refurbishing KP was a signal that she was hoping he would do FT royal duties. And what other senior royals have taken Gap Years?
William is getting to do what he wants for whatever reason. I don't think the Queen is the type to discourage him from doing more work. He just gets away with what he does. How much or how little ambulance flying he does is subject to speculation.
How is it known Harry is staying in until 55? He's not seeing any more action and has a desk job (how long he has the desk job is subject to speculation).
Charles vision of a scaled down monarchy certainly is a pipe dream with all the laziness going around.
Clearly you don't believe in the money or what to do with the third generation problem authoritative courtiers have officially mentioned. :orchid:
Wannable and Canuck you both make excellent points. The BRF unlike the majority of royal families has 3 generations of adults who could be considered "working" royals. The monarch/consort, heir/consort and other children of the monarch and their spouses with the grandchildren as well. It is still QEII's reign and if she and her consort wish to remain active and keep the full time work to themselves, their children/in-laws and HM's cousins that is their prerogative. The children and daughter-in-law of the PoW are serving the nation through their military/civilian air ambulance service and charity work.
Quote from: PaulaB on September 29, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
It suddenly struck me the other day why do we expect his wife to be so into charity work? Her job is to support her husband and to have children. She is pregnant with her second child and suffering hg again. So they are going to be careful with her again. I am sure she will fulfil the charity role later but for now she is concentrating on her family.
Problem is it will be very difficult to sell two kitchen Kate as a working Royal later on ... besides it seems she will use the children as an excuse to never "work" (if you can call what she does work) which will result in celebrations WHEN Willy divorces her (but that is another story) ...
Quote from: PaulaB on September 29, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
It suddenly struck me the other day why do we expect his wife to be so into charity work? Her job is to support her husband and to have children. She is pregnant with her second child and suffering hg again. So they are going to be careful with her again. I am sure she will fulfil the charity role later but for now she is concentrating on her family.
I believe that is the general expectation for the majority of royal spouses in addition to supporting/accompanying your spouse. When it comes to the male consorts yhe gentlemen are sometimes are a bit more involved with the military side especially if they are former service members, but they're expected to represent a charitable organization or found one.
IMHO Kate will pick up her public charitable engagements again when she's feeling better but in the meantime she can still stay in touch with them through skype etc..or private low key visits.
Kate had a previous round of the morning sickness but her royal duties still did not pick up after that. I don't expect her to pick up royal duties this time around either.
Quote from: wannable on September 29, 2014, 03:52:16 PM
Clearly you don't believe in the money or what to do with the third generation problem authoritative courtiers have officially mentioned. :orchid:
What was definitively mentioned? I heard no official announcements about the Third Generation.
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Quote from: TLLK on September 29, 2014, 03:53:02 PM
Wannable and Canuck you both make excellent points. The BRF unlike the majority of royal families has 3 generations of adults who could be considered "working" royals. The monarch/consort, heir/consort and other children of the monarch and their spouses with the grandchildren as well. It is still QEII's reign and if she and her consort wish to remain active and keep the full time work to themselves, their children/in-laws and HM's cousins that is their prerogative. The children and daughter-in-law of the PoW are serving the nation through their military/civilian air ambulance service and charity work.
So how come she is passing on duties to Charles? She's remaining active but it has been reported everywhere she's letting Charles take on some of her work.
William IMO is serving himself. He is playing at being normal and avoiding full time duties. I doubt he'll do much rescue work there in any place. He's doing pathetically little but is painted as a superhero for one reason or the other. Being a Golden Prince covers a multitude of shortcomings perhaps.
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Quote from: Eri on September 29, 2014, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: PaulaB on September 29, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
It suddenly struck me the other day why do we expect his wife to be so into charity work? Her job is to support her husband and to have children. She is pregnant with her second child and suffering hg again. So they are going to be careful with her again. I am sure she will fulfil the charity role later but for now she is concentrating on her family.
Problem is it will be very difficult to sell two kitchen Kate as a working Royal later on ... besides it seems she will use the children as an excuse to never "work" (if you can call what she does work) which will result in celebrations WHEN Willy divorces her (but that is another story) ...
Kate has an encyclopedia of excuses already with more to come.
Quote from: sandy on September 29, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
Kate had a previous round of the morning sickness but her royal duties still did not pick up after that. I don't expect her to pick up royal duties this time around either.
Last time around, Kate did 24 engagements between mid-February (when she returned to work after recovering from HG) and mid-June (when she stopped doing engagements in preparation for George's birth). Her Royal duties certainly did pick up once she was feeling better, and I expect the same will happen with this pregnancy, assuming her HG is not worse than it was last time.
That is correct Canuck. She did begin to pick up her engagements after the winter.
That's not a whole lot of appearances.
I am watching Silvio Berlusconi's 29 years old fiance on my TV and she is supporting gay marriage there she is supporting it , celebrating and passionately talking about it ... that's the issue with Kate she supports NOTHING , she is passionate about NOTHING !!! It doesn't have to be AIDS or Cancer but she does NOTHING !!! Not even for what is supposed to be her comfort zone which is sports and arts ...
With her last pregnancy she ended her public appearances at the annual Trooping of the Colour in June 2013. I'd expect her first major BRF event to be the Remembrance Sunday at the Cenotaph. Curious to see what she will wear for the diplomat's gala at BP now that she and William are attending this black tie/tiara event. This would be her first maternity gala gown and I wonder if we'll see the Lotus Tiara again or the Halo Scroll?
^^^IMHO same sex marriage is an area where the government of the UK and perhaps the various faith groups might choose to play a role in rather than a member of the BRF. However if asked an individual member may choose to share their personal views on the subject.
I believe that the various member of the BRF does have a wide range issues that they care about very deeply and try to bring public awareness.
Agreed, TLLK. I think Kate has shown real passion for children's hospices -- she interacts very naturally with the children, and has made those groups a real focus of her efforts so far -- as well as sports and art. I wouldn't expect her to be giving speeches about political issues, but that doesn't mean she doesn't care about the causes she supports.
A real passion? She has done the bare minimum for them, show up once in a blue moon and pose for pictures on her infrequent tours... The only thing Kate has a passion for is William, the Middletons, doing her hair and shopping. :shrug:
Quote from: TLLK on September 29, 2014, 05:43:05 PM
That is correct Canuck. She did begin to pick up her engagements after the winter.
She worked about 7 days, if I remember correctly, from the beginning of December to the tour almost, what do you call picking up?
7 days translates to what? 7 hours - and that's being generous. The TP are not getting value for money.
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Quote from: Limabeany on September 29, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
A real passion? She has done the bare minimum for them, show up once in a blue moon and pose for pictures on her infrequent tours... The only thing Kate has a passion for is William, the Middletons, doing her hair and shopping. :shrug:
Well said! And to think many doubted her....they have been proved correct, IMO.
You're welcome to your opinion, of course. The people Kate actually interacts with at children's hospices, both staff and parents using their services, have repeatedly said how genuine she is, how much she cares, and how her visits raise spirits of the children and bring important attention to the cause.
I agree Canuck. Those who have had the opportunity to interact with her on a one-to-one basis would have knowledge of how "passionate" she is about the charity much more than I would. I'm not likely to ever come in contact with the lady so hearing the thoughts from those who have actually engaged in a conversation with her is something that I find valuable when forming an opinion.
Quote from: Canuck on September 29, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
You're welcome to your opinion, of course. The people Kate actually interacts with at children's hospices, both staff and parents using their services, have repeatedly said how genuine she is, how much she cares, and how her visits raise spirits of the children and bring important attention to the cause.
What else would they say? Really?
Just imagine if she visited more than once in a blue moon. If she creates such happiness and positive vibes...why not? She is in such a position to do good. For some reason, she chooses not to.
Even I have commented positively when seeing her with children. Sadly, I can only think those darling children have been used for PR purposes. That makes me very, very sad and angry.
I don't think the fact that she's not doing as many engagements as some would like necessarily means that any engagements she DOES do are strictly for PR purposes. She would have to be not only a very callous individual, but also an excellent actress, to repeatedly use dying children solely for PR while at the same time convincing their parents and care workers that she really does care.
As for what else they could say: well, they could say nothing, or be less effusive with their praise, if they didn't really believe her to be engaged and genuine when she visits. The fact that they uniformly say such glowing things is a pretty good indication they believe them.
I believe the visits are not done for the Children but for Kate herself. She may not be "callous" by IMO she is very shallow.
As for the parents - who know their motives. I'm willing to wager deep-down they are as pissed with her as I am.
Kate is out for herself, not for the sick or underprivileged and she (IMO) proves that as each year passes.
Good points Canuck because the "PR" reason could be applied to any public figure. Part of a royal's expected role is to meet with members of the public so anyone posing with them could be considered to be there for "PR" purposes. By browsing through the other boards here at RIF this week I've seen evidence of many royals meeting with world leaders, people with disabilities and members of the performing and fine arts professions who must be doing this for positive "PR" as well. Meeting with the parents of dying children would be a difficult task and the couple was reported to have been emotional during their visit to the children's hospice in Australia. So I don't envy them meeting and listening to these families share their stories. It would be much easier to attend a different event and still gain some positive press.
It all PR. But in W&K's case it's not consistent - even they can't be arsed to continue to fake it.
Quote from: SophieChloe on September 29, 2014, 08:11:09 PM
I'm willing to wager deep-down they are as pissed with her as I am.
If that's how you feel -- with no evidence to support it, and plenty of evidence to the contrary -- then I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, and I'll bow out of this particular conversation.
On that we'll have to agree to disagree SC :truce:
Quote from: Canuck on September 29, 2014, 08:18:18 PM
Quote from: SophieChloe on September 29, 2014, 08:11:09 PM
I'm willing to wager deep-down they are as pissed with her as I am.
If that's how you feel -- with no evidence to support it, and plenty of evidence to the contrary -- then I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, and I'll bow out of this particular conversation.
That's why I said "I'm willing to wager". The parents daren't speak out...again IMO.
Sorry to have chased you both way...I'm only giving my opinion.... :hug: :knit:
Haven't chased anyone away, just had to switch from washer to drier. IMO no point in rehashing this today. There is always tomorrow. :lol:
Quote from: Limabeany on September 29, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
A real passion? She has done the bare minimum for them, show up once in a blue moon and pose for pictures on her infrequent tours... The only thing Kate has a passion for is William, the Middletons, doing her hair and shopping. :shrug:
lol yes I will never understand what royal watchers "watch" so boring :happy15:
Oh but each new event brings so much!!! :computer:A new pair of shiny scissors to cut a satin ribbon or the chance for a mayor to wear his/her chain of office or sash. :banana: Perhaps that royal will ride a bicycle, jump up and eat a piece of cake on a string or get wet on by a koala. Anything is possible if your security staff pre-approve it. :lol:
So returning to Royal duties essentially means she will continue to not do them. She must be the laziest royal out right now.
Quote from: Canuck on September 29, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
I don't think the fact that she's not doing as many engagements as some would like necessarily means that any engagements she DOES do are strictly for PR purposes. She would have to be not only a very callous individual, but also an excellent actress, to repeatedly use dying children solely for PR while at the same time convincing their parents and care workers that she really does care.
As for what else they could say: well, they could say nothing, or be less effusive with their praise, if they didn't really believe her to be engaged and genuine when she visits. The fact that they uniformly say such glowing things is a pretty good indication they believe them.
I don't think that she does nearly enough... but of course the charities are not going to say she does very little or that they are not pleased by the stuff she does do. I just don't feel the warmth from her that was so easy to feel from Diana... and its a fact that prior to her becoming a royal, she seems to have done NOTHING in the Charity field, and little in any other field.
Nothing? Starlight foundation was something.
I think there are people who want Kate to be another Diana. To act like Diana did with people. To say the things Diana said. Doubtful that that will ever happen, and it shouldn't. Everyone is an individual and should be taken as such.
Cindy
Quote from: wannable on September 30, 2014, 12:58:07 PM
Nothing? Starlight foundation was something.
I thought that was a charity set up by her parents. All I've heard of her doing was a boat race.. (much more about displaying themselves spray painted than actually doing anyting) and she drooped out of that.. and a fashion show at college.. again... hardly sterling charity work
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Quote from: cinrit on September 30, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
I think there are people who want Kate to be another Diana. To act like Diana did with people. To say the things Diana said. Doubtful that that will ever happen, and it shouldn't. Everyone is an individual and should be taken as such.
Cindy
true but she's pretty blah. Perhaps the RF are prepared to settle for someone bland and not very energetic, rather than someone charismatic but not very reliable.
Kate then private citizen, single, working for the family business, got party pieces involved with starlight foundation, being herself very active with them. Source: interview with The founder of SF.
Also as senior prefect whilst in Marlborough college, she was required to be charity leader, forced or not as prefect, but it is a requirement, so yes it's something rather than nothing.
Remember the Morrison photography curation, organization exhibition for charity she did this too, plus the infamous attempt with the skating charity, at least she tried.
It's part of her biography- it is matter of fact considered history as she will be the future Queen consort. First prefect princess, first university grad...etc.
Quote from: amabel on September 30, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
true but she's pretty blah. Perhaps the RF are prepared to settle for someone bland and not very energetic, rather than someone charismatic but not very reliable.
The Queen is pretty blah, for that matter. Most of the Royals are. We can have another Diana, who wasn't very discrete, or another Sarah Ferguson who made the wrong kind of headlines, or we can have the Royals who keep to themselves. And maybe after all the drama of his parents' marriage, that's exactly what William (and the Royal Family as a whole) wants and needs.
Cindy
Quote from: cinrit on September 30, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
I think there are people who want Kate to be another Diana. To act like Diana did with people. To say the things Diana said. Doubtful that that will ever happen, and it shouldn't. Everyone is an individual and should be taken as such.
Cindy
While I don't think people are expecting another Diana, Diana did set the bar. What is seen as a hurdle for some, Kate makes it look like it's a pole vault, which for someone of her position and the perks that she receives because of it, may as well be merely skipping over a puddle. She is more coddled and protected because of the worst of Diana's experiences.
After reading the article that Lady Adams shared, I'm more inclined to lean into the speculations of others that maybe she is "held back" and kept from utilizing her natural talents and education? Then again, she might be spineless or simply securing her cushy circumstances for not rocking the boat a little. Personally, I've never thought of her as "stupid","calculating", or the myriad of impulsive criticisms that people hurl at her. I do think she lacks a little grit and gusto, because if she felt legitimately passionate about something, the only person truly holding herself back is her.
So again, is it the public, is it her, is it the RF, or is it the Gordian Knot combination of all three?
There are trivia curiosities of Kate that may turn her into a not so blah when she becomes POW. I can't wait to witness what W&K will do, as they will have their OWN budget to handle, rather than the actual situation that they are under the Queen and Charles budget handling. I think Charles and William have some ideas that will change the actual status quo of how ER is managed.
Another trivia in her bio - @ 17 who would have known that HRH The Duke of Edinburgh was pinning her the gold DOE award to his future * granddaughter (wife of his grandson William).
Quote from: cinrit on September 30, 2014, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: amabel on September 30, 2014, 01:08:10 PM
true but she's pretty blah. Perhaps the RF are prepared to settle for someone bland and not very energetic, rather than someone charismatic but not very reliable.
The Queen is pretty blah, for that matter. Most of the Royals are. We can have another Diana, who wasn't very discrete, or
Cindy
I undersand what you mean in that the RF is supposed to be non controversial... but
I wouldn't say that Camila is "blah" for example. but by and large she's been discreet and sensible. She's not IMO a very hard worker and has done just a respectable amount off charity work, but she has a definite strong personality, and passions for things like horsey stuff, just as the queen has. its possible IMO, to have a personality and interests, without breaking the boundaries of Royal propriety. I don't really see that in Kate. She has done 2 jobs, IMO virtually NO charity work prior to her marriage.. She got her family to do the Starlight thing, and of course they are going to talk it up but it doesn't seem to me that she did much. (other than her dragon boat race and showing her knickers at the fashion show)....She seems to do the absolute bare minimum of work since her marriage... Sure she's discreet but that's a job requirement and I think that now, after Diana and Sarah the RF problaby ARE prepared ot put up with a lot of "not much work" form its senior members, provided they DONT get inot much trouble.
Camilla is manipulative which is how she got where she is today. She is not going to be seen as discreet by those who recall her past and want to whitewash. She will always have a checkered past.
It has nothing to do with budgeting. Just William's stubbornness and being catered to.
Kate and Will are 32 so we have to wait to see what Will will do. It's always what he might do someday not what he does. That's why he's nicknamed Willnot by some.
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Quote from: DaisyMeRollin on September 30, 2014, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: cinrit on September 30, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
I think there are people who want Kate to be another Diana. To act like Diana did with people. To say the things Diana said. Doubtful that that will ever happen, and it shouldn't. Everyone is an individual and should be taken as such.
Cindy
While I don't think people are expecting another Diana, Diana did set the bar. What is seen as a hurdle for some, Kate makes it look like it's a pole vault, which for someone of her position and the perks that she receives because of it, may as well be merely skipping over a puddle. She is more coddled and protected because of the worst of Diana's experiences.
After reading the article that Lady Adams shared, I'm more inclined to lean into the speculations of others that maybe she is "held back" and kept from utilizing her natural talents and education? Then again, she might be spineless or simply securing her cushy circumstances for not rocking the boat a little. Personally, I've never thought of her as "stupid","calculating", or the myriad of impulsive criticisms that people hurl at her. I do think she lacks a little grit and gusto, because if she felt legitimately passionate about something, the only person truly holding herself back is her.
So again, is it the public, is it her, is it the RF, or is it the Gordian Knot combination of all three?
She is coddled and protected because Will is putting his foot down and wants to play normal. Diana should not be blamed for their idleness.
Jeez ... no one "blamed" Diana. And just for the record, it should be noted that when listing some "blah" Royals, I did not include Camilla. :lol:
Cindy
Sandy, if you would have read, I'm not blaming Diana for Kate's idleness. Please reread it, and this time put your Diana memorial sword back in your sheath. :no: Good God! It's like pulling teeth here sometimes.
I assume you know MLA style. Find the thesis statement in regards to Diana. There's even another singular question posed.
Quote from: cinrit on September 30, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
Jeez ... no one "blamed" Diana. And just for the record, it should be noted that when listing some "blah" Royals, I did not include Camilla. :lol:
Cindy
well shes' got her faults - Cam but she's got personality. So has Sarah F...
Quote from: KaTerina Montague on September 30, 2014, 10:37:28 AM
So returning to Royal duties essentially means she will continue to not do them. She must be the laziest royal out right now.
Well if you were to look at the actual numbers for various royals around the world you might rethink your position. :wink:
Quote from: wannable on September 30, 2014, 01:17:08 PM
Kate then private citizen, single, working for the family business, got party pieces involved with starlight foundation, being herself very active with them. Source: interview with The founder of SF.
Also as senior prefect whilst in Marlborough college, she was required to be charity leader, forced or not as prefect, but it is a requirement, so yes it's something rather than nothing.
Remember the Morrison photography curation, organization exhibition for charity she did this too, plus the infamous attempt with the skating charity, at least she tried.
It's part of her biography- it is matter of fact considered history as she will be the future Queen consort. First prefect princess, first university grad...etc.
Thank you for sharing this information as I was unaware of her secondary school charity work.
Quote from: wannable on September 30, 2014, 01:53:54 PM
There are trivia curiosities of Kate that may turn her into a not so blah when she becomes POW. I can't wait to witness what W&K will do, as they will have their OWN budget to handle, rather than the actual situation that they are under the Queen and Charles budget handling. I think Charles and William have some ideas that will change the actual status quo of how ER is managed.
Another trivia in her bio - @ 17 who would have known that HRH The Duke of Edinburgh was pinning her the gold DOE award to his future * granddaughter (wife of his grandson William).
Good points. Today's newest monarchs were often considered "blah" and "uninspiring" prior to marrying and ascending the throne. Once they were able to work outside the confines of an earlier reign's budget, courtiers and expectations.
Had not known about the DoE award being given to a teenage Kate. Thank you.
She is not just blah and uninspiring, she is also aimless and lacking in passion or motivation for anything beyond her royal lifestyle and immediate family.
Quote from: cinrit on September 30, 2014, 12:58:32 PM
I think there are people who want Kate to be another Diana. To act like Diana did with people. To say the things Diana said. Doubtful that that will ever happen, and it shouldn't. Everyone is an individual and should be taken as such.
Cindy
This people does not I just want to see if she can do anything besides following William around followed by a good helping of doing nothing.
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Quote from: Limabeany on September 30, 2014, 02:32:57 PM
She is not just blah and uninspiring, she is also aimless and lacking in passion or motivation for anything beyond her royal lifestyle and immediate family.
She's like the worse version of a stepford wife. I hope nobody goes the anti royals marrying commoners route because of Kate.
Quote from: TLLK on September 30, 2014, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: wannable on September 30, 2014, 01:53:54 PM
There are trivia curiosities of Kate that may turn her into a not so blah when she becomes POW. I can't wait to witness what W&K will do, as they will have their OWN budget to handle, rather than the actual situation that they are under the Queen and Charles budget handling. I think Charles and William have some ideas that will change the actual status quo of how ER is managed.
Another trivia in her bio - @ 17 who would have known that HRH The Duke of Edinburgh was pinning her the gold DOE award to his future * granddaughter (wife of his grandson William).
Good points. Today's newest monarchs were often considered "blah" and "uninspiring" prior to marrying and ascending the throne. Once they were able to work outside the confines of an earlier reign's budget, courtiers and expectations.
Had not known about the DoE award being given to a teenage Kate. Thank you.
Of course it was given to kate because she is such a hard worker. Not.
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Quote from: DaisyMeRollin on September 30, 2014, 02:13:46 PM
Sandy, if you would have read, I'm not blaming Diana for Kate's idleness. Please reread it, and this time put your Diana memorial sword back in your sheath. :no: Good God! It's like pulling teeth here sometimes.
I assume you know MLA style. Find the thesis statement in regards to Diana. There's even another singular question posed.
No need to be snarky.
I have my opinion you have yours. Enough with getting personal.
The Diana card is played by Kate's cheerleaders all the time. That she cannot work because of what happened to Diana and the royals have learned, the same old malarky.
^^^No snark there. Right to the point.^^^
that's what you think. What's with the memorial sword comment? Snark with a capital S.
I wonder if Kate will ever reach the plateau where excuses don't need to be made for her.
Some things should be approached with some level of humor, especially here. :ahhh:
IDK. Maybe the track and field analogy threw you off?
Humor at another poster's expense is not humor.
Back on topic. I wonder when Kate's next vacation will be.
Who knows? That villainous, hair-flipping flibbertigibbert probably takes as many vacations as people make that joke.
*sassyfingers* *head bobs*
Am I cool now?
Yes, I'm making fun of myself now.
Quote from: DaisyMeRollin on October 01, 2014, 01:53:40 AM
Who knows? That villainous, hair-flipping flibbertigibbert probably takes as many vacations as people make that joke.
*sassyfingers* *head bobs*
Am I cool now?
Yes, I'm making fun of myself now.
Thanks for that,Daisy!
I am willing to bet in the next 5 yrs kate will be just as idle as she is now :orchid: (i understand she is ill , not talking about this period of time )
expect 1 engagement a month <_<
George will be 6 ,second baby will be 4 , kate will use them as the excuse for why she cant leave home , then they will turn 13 go off to boarding school and she will still be barely working , then they will marry probably have kids and kate will get away with being older and needing to take rest from her lifetime vacation :(
slowly over time her sympathisers will tire of this ,it's already happening,more people are done with her laziness .she takes and takes shamelessly and gives nothing back .
From Royal Central
Kate was to open the new Art Room at Barlby Primary School in London. She passed on a message of support for not being able to attend today.
So obviously not ready to start royal duties
She will never be ready to begin royal duties, she will continue to dabble in them her entire life.
From Twitter:
Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror 4m4 minutes ago
Kate's message at the launch of The Clore Art Room, Barlby Primary School, is being read out at their launch now
Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror 4m4 minutes ago
Kate: "My sincere apologies for not being able to join you but I hope that I will have an opportunity to visit the Clore Art Room soon.
Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror 5m5 minutes ago
Kate's message: "As Patron of The Art Room I feel great pride to see the work that the charity is doing...
Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror 6m6 minutes ago
Kate's message to Art Room: "I am truly sorry that I cannot be with you all today as you celebrate this milestone...
Victoria Murphy @QueenVicMirror 6m6 minutes ago
Kate continues to suffer from severe morning sickness and decision to undertake engagements is being reviewed on a case by case basis.
Cindy
That is her message? How did that woman get through University?
Are they going to post her entire message or just the highlight there?
Available in the POW website
A message of support to The Art Room and The Clore Duffield Foundation, on their 50th anniversary, from The Duchess of Cambridge (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/our-view/message-of-support-the-art-room-and-the-clore-duffield-foundation-their-50th)
From Rebecca English's twitter (she was asked if Kate's planned appearance at The Art Room had been announced):
Quoteno it wasn't. A number of engagements have been kept under wraps this month.
Quotethat's for the reason that while KP hope she might go, they don't want to cause a huge wave of anticipation in case she doesn't.
Message also included in this article:
QuotePregnant Kate Middleton Sends Message of Support to Charity Event as Severe Morning Sickness Keeps Her at Home
The Duchess of Cambridge has sent a message of support to one of her charities from her sickbed as she continues to be treated for severe morning sickness. Kate, who is less than three months pregnant with her second child, had hoped to attend the launch of The Art Room's latest project. But she was forced to pull out because of her illness.
It is one of several engagements, including an overseas trip to Malta, she has had to cancel as she is treated by doctors inside Kensington Palace for the condition that has blighted both her pregnancies.
Her spokesman said: "The Duchess of Cambridge continues to suffer from the effects of Hyperemesis Gravidarum and was unable to attend this event today in person.
"The decision to undertake engagements is being kept under review on a case by case basis."
More: Pregnant Kate Middleton sends message of support to charity event as severe morning sickness keeps her at home - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pregnant-kate-middleton-sends-message-4358028)
Cindy
She must be gutted. We know just how much her charities mean to her :cool2:
Quote from: wannable on October 01, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
Available in the POW website
A message of support to The Art Room and The Clore Duffield Foundation, on their 50th anniversary, from The Duchess of Cambridge (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/our-view/message-of-support-the-art-room-and-the-clore-duffield-foundation-their-50th)
Thanks for the link, wannable.
It's a good statement, actually. Written at about a grade 10 level, it's very readable, it emphasises the importance of the charity's work and accomplishments, and talks about the new partnership with the Clore Duffield Foundation. All of the things, I'm sure, that would have been in the speech she'd have given if she went.
I
wish all of the PR people I work with would write prose this clear and readable.
I actually prefer this. I'm usually too distracted by her halted speech to be able to pay attention to what she is saying. Hopefully the Art Room continues to flourish and Kate gets to be a part of that in the future.
Quote from: Adrienne on October 01, 2014, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: wannable on October 01, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
Available in the POW website
A message of support to The Art Room and The Clore Duffield Foundation, on their 50th anniversary, from The Duchess of Cambridge (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/our-view/message-of-support-the-art-room-and-the-clore-duffield-foundation-their-50th)
Thanks for the link, wannable.
It's a good statement, actually. Written at about a grade 10 level, it's very readable, it emphasises the importance of the charity's work and accomplishments, and talks about the new partnership with the Clore Duffield Foundation. All of the things, I'm sure, that would have been in the speech she'd have given if she went.
I wish all of the PR people I work with would write prose this clear and readable.
I agree. Out of curiosity is there an average reading level that most PR or advertising professionals are aiming for when releasing text?
Quote from: wannable on October 01, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
Available in the POW website
A message of support to The Art Room and The Clore Duffield Foundation, on their 50th anniversary, from The Duchess of Cambridge (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/our-view/message-of-support-the-art-room-and-the-clore-duffield-foundation-their-50th)
Thank you for sharing wannable. Glad to see that the Art Room continues to be recognized and hopefully it is a program that can be expanded through out the country.
Quote from: TLLK on October 01, 2014, 05:17:57 PM
Quote from: Adrienne on October 01, 2014, 04:47:23 PM
Quote from: wannable on October 01, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
Available in the POW website
A message of support to The Art Room and The Clore Duffield Foundation, on their 50th anniversary, from The Duchess of Cambridge (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/our-view/message-of-support-the-art-room-and-the-clore-duffield-foundation-their-50th)
Thanks for the link, wannable.
It's a good statement, actually. Written at about a grade 10 level, it's very readable, it emphasises the importance of the charity's work and accomplishments, and talks about the new partnership with the Clore Duffield Foundation. All of the things, I'm sure, that would have been in the speech she'd have given if she went.
I wish all of the PR people I work with would write prose this clear and readable.
I agree. Out of curiosity is there an average reading level that most PR or advertising professionals are aiming for when releasing text?
So I'm a technical writer. I like to aim for 9-11 but (honestly) am rarely able to get below 12. So generally 12-15.
PR people actually, IME, write at a much higher grade level than they should. This is primarily because they write too many run-on sentences in an effort to circumvent reporters' propensity to only take a sentence out of a release or statement. So if you jam all the important bits into a single statement, reporters have to quote the whole thing. (This is straight from PR people's mouths, FWIW.)
Most newspapers are written at a 8-10 level, with some being written slightly higher. To compare and contrast, an exerpt from a Stephen Hawking speech that I recently analysed was written at a grade 9 level. It's my belief that if one of the pre-eminant physicists can give a lay explanation of Einstein's GToR at a grade 9 level, very few people have any business writing anything above a fifteen.
Thank you for answering my question and sharing your thoughts on the Duchess' written statement. :thanks:
I know it may not go over so well but if she really is that sick then she shouldn't have any engagements scheduled until after a certain period or the birth. There's no point in doing all that work and preparation just for her to pull out. The end effect is the same, she didn't go. So it shouldn't have been planned in the first place. Nothing came out of it.
^^^You do make a good point. Based on what I've read about the condition it can be difficult to predict with any certainty when the effects will ease up.
To be fair, we don't know when this engagement was planned. The Royals usually plan well in advance, so it could be that it was scheduled a month ago, or even two or three months ago. I've read that there are other engagements planned, but not announced because of the uncertainty of Kate's condition.
Cindy
I do agree that Kate shouldn't try to push herself if she isn't well enough yet. But this wasn't an event planned just for her or anything -- this was an anniversary event the charity was holding in any case. They didn't publicly announce she'd be there, so they were clearly aware she might not be able to come and kept things low key rather than getting hopes up. I think that's a good way to approach these types of events, where they will be planning and going ahead with them whether or not Kate is able to attend (but obviously would like to have her there if she IS able to come).
Given the amount of publicity these charities get when she does visit, I think they are probably happy to take on whatever additional preparation is needed in the event she can come. It's well worth it from a fundraising and profile-raising perspective if she is able to make it, and if she isn't the event will go ahead without her with this type of statement read instead.
She hasn't been well enough since she graduated University. :blush:
Quote from: TLLK on October 01, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
Based on what I've read about the condition it can be difficult to predict with any certainty when the effects will ease up.
According to doctors other than Kate's it is difficult to predict when it will ease and impossible to predict whether it will return during the pregnancy, but those are not Kate's doctor, he is better than all the rest, he knew that once it eased it would not be coming back and sent her to vacation in Mustique.
Ah, yes. The claim that Kate must have been faking HG because months later she went on vacation. Even though she was hospitalized. Even though the hospital told the prank callers they thought were the Queen how dehydrated Kate was and that she had been having trouble sleeping and was better because she hadn't retched during the current shift. Even though Kate looked quite ill when she left the hospital and at Christmas. Even though there's never been a single leak from any source -- even an anonymous one -- that Kate wasn't really all that sick. Even though she's now again suffering from HG and hasn't been out in public in a month. And even though Mustique does in fact have a health clinic, there are hospitals nearby, and a relapse of HG would not have been immediately dangerous for Kate and she could have simply returned to the UK if she really needed to (the danger comes from the prolonged nature of the vomiting, not from a single day of it).
There's a difference between not knowing when the initial bout of feeling sick all the time will end, and not knowing whether once she's gotten better it will recur. Of course there's no way to predict the latter 100%, but from what I've read it seems once the acute HG settles down (often in the second trimester, and often with the help of anti-nausea medication she stays on the rest of her pregnancy) many women feel normal the rest of their pregnancy. Which is, obviously, true for Kate -- she returned to engagements just after the Mustique trip last time, and looked quite healthy and happy the rest of the pregnancy.
If you are addressing me, I have never said she was faking anything, please check your facts before countering posters, I said it was morning sickness and not HG, because there is NO guarantee it will not come back and no doctor on earth can be certain of that until you give birth yet hers let her go on vacation to a place without a hospital for a week and get on a plane for 18 hours round-way, this is especially true in one that is KNOWN to have been severe and needing hospitalization. Given that she spent more time vacationing abroad than working that year, her happiness at vacationing is not admirable, her happiness at working would be, if she ever did so half as regularly as she stays at home.
Well, since KP has consistently said it was HG, if you're saying it's not then you're accusing them of either deliberately lying or of employing doctors who incorrectly diagnosed her in a way that is so obvious that people on the internet with no actual involvement or observation of Kate know is wrong.
I also continue to be confused as to why you think HG is likely to come back but morning sickness is not. Or, for that matter, why it really matters which label is applied. If you're not saying she was faking, then you agree that she was quite ill and needed to be hospitalized and on bed rest for a significant period of time. At that point, I don't really understand why calling it morning sickness changes things (except that it confuses things, because she was reportedly vomiting at all times of day, not just in the morning).
People knew Charles and Diana's marriage was wrong without any private observation as well and despite the Palace saying they were great. The Palace speaking on behalf of Kate means very little. They do whatever they need to do to get sympathy and paint her an their members in a good light, these are people reliant on public opinion to exist in the luxury and with the reverence that they are accustomed to. As far as the HG/morning sickness, I have said my thoughts, and have never said she was faking illness but misnaming it. As far as your "confusion" there is no guarantee severe morning sickness or HG will not come back, which makes her 9 hour trip to a place without a hospital ill-advised and unintelligent.
If you don't think she was faking illness, then again, I'm not sure why it matters so much that KP and her doctors "misnamed" it. She was (and is now again) sick.
This is my opinion, I am not sure why it matters to you enough to continue trying to get me to say something that will suit what you think I should say/think. :truce:
Quote from: Limabeany on October 01, 2014, 07:06:56 PM
Quote from: TLLK on October 01, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
Based on what I've read about the condition it can be difficult to predict with any certainty when the effects will ease up.
According to doctors other than Kate's it is difficult to predict when it will ease and impossible to predict whether it will return during the pregnancy, but those are not Kate's doctor, he is better than all the rest, he knew that once it eased it would not be coming back and sent her to vacation in Mustique.
From observing Kate, discussing her condition, giving her a check-up, running tests he would have been able to determine if she would be fit to travel to Mustique. The couple could travel with any medication that offered her relief, take along IV fluids assuming she still had her picc line installed and would have access to medical care on nearby islands.
As was stated in an earlier post her doctor would have a better idea of her condition than others. :)
As stated in an earlier post, this is a forum for expressing opinions and they do not require a medical degree, we are not required to have evidence to post as this isn't a court of law, but to have an opinion/impression we wish to share. :hug:
^^^That is true and we're all welcome to share our opinions. Personally I prefer facts and reason to support mine though I know that not everyone else feels the same way. :)
Quote from: Limabeany on October 01, 2014, 08:52:33 PM
This is my opinion, I am not sure why it matters to you enough to continue trying to get me to say something that will suit what you think I should say/think. :truce:
I'm not trying to get you to say something. I'm just honestly confused about what you ARE saying. I thought (apparently incorrectly) that your point in saying she did not have HG was that she was not really all that sick. But you just posted twice in this thread that you don't think she was faking her illness. So I was trying to understand what point you were making in saying it wasn't HG. :shrug:
TLLK, we don't know them and have no access to their private conversations and legal documents and medical records, everything we discuss is our opinion on what is made public, either by the media or their pr people. You may prefer facts but, also accept that we are posting opinions and you may not agree with those opinions but that is why we are here, there are no facts as we don't know these people. Our comments come from our life experience and what makes sense to us.
Quote from: TLLK on October 01, 2014, 08:56:18 PM
^^^That is true and we're all welcome to share our opinions. Personally I prefer facts and reason to support mine though I know that not everyone else feels the same way. :)
Chiming to point out: one poster's facts and reason is another's gossip and speculation ;) I think we'd all like to believe our opinions are based on fact & reason, when in reality both are subjective.
Quote from: Canuck on October 01, 2014, 08:57:04 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 01, 2014, 08:52:33 PM
This is my opinion, I am not sure why it matters to you enough to continue trying to get me to say something that will suit what you think I should say/think. :truce:
I'm not trying to get you to say something. I'm just honestly confused about what you ARE saying. I thought (apparently incorrectly) that your point in saying she did not have HG was that she was not really all that sick. But you just posted twice in this thread that you don't think she was faking her illness. So I was trying to understand what point you were making in saying it wasn't HG. :shrug:
I am confused as to what you want me to say or agree to, my opinion is clearly expressed, I don't know how I can help you further understand. :hug:
Not to worry, Limabeany. I assumed you must have been trying to make some point in saying it wasn't HG, but it seems that wasn't the case. :truce:
Her HG is an objective fact rather than subjective. Its recorded in the official websites of both Royal and POW sites. Encyclopedical, historical, official.
Subjective, press adding opinion.
Quote from: Limabeany on October 01, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
TLLK, we don't know them and have no access to their private conversations and legal documents and medical records, everything we discuss is our opinion on what is made public, either by the media or their pr people. You may prefer facts but, also accept that we are posting opinions and you may not agree with those opinions but that is why we are here, there are no facts as we don't know these people. Our comments come from our life experience and what makes sense to us.
And there we go! :goodpost: :goodpost:
Quote from: Limabeany on October 01, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
TLLK, we don't know them and have no access to their private conversations and legal documents and medical records, everything we discuss is our opinion on what is made public, either by the media or their pr people. You may prefer facts but, also accept that we are posting opinions and you may not agree with those opinions but that is why we are here, there are no facts as we don't know these people. Our comments come from our life experience and what makes sense to us.
Excellent statement Limabeany. Now I've found from my life experience/common sense is that doctors when working with their patients would have the best idea of whether or not a patient would be able to travel. Perhaps you or someone you know has had a similar experience when working with health care professionals. With that in mind I'm very willing to state that Kate's doctor very likely signed off on her going based on his examinations of the patient, her blood tests and was she showing any recent signs of relapse instead of making use of a crystal ball. :wink:
She is just as lazy when not pregnant :shrug:
Quote from: TLLK on October 01, 2014, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 01, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
TLLK, we don't know them and have no access to their private conversations and legal documents and medical records, everything we discuss is our opinion on what is made public, either by the media or their pr people. You may prefer facts but, also accept that we are posting opinions and you may not agree with those opinions but that is why we are here, there are no facts as we don't know these people. Our comments come from our life experience and what makes sense to us.
Excellent statement Limabeany. Now I've found from my life experience/common sense is that doctors when working with their patients would have the best idea of whether or not a patient would be able to travel. Perhaps you or someone you know has had a similar experience when working with health care professionals. With that in mind I'm very willing to state that Kate's doctor very likely signed off on her going based on his examinations of the patient, her blood tests and was she showing any recent signs of relapse instead of making use of a crystal ball. :wink:
Then you are making use of a crystal ball as there is no indication what her doctor knew for a fact and I don't know how it is possible something will not show up in a week and a half with any certainty. :happy15:
Generally doctors don't make recommendations based on having absolute certainty about whether something will happen or not. They observe patients and make recommendations based on what they think is likely or unlikely, the risks of different things, etc.
She was pregnant, had HG, allegedly, and was going to be on a plane 9 hours and going somewhere without a hospital, certainly not a good combination, there are risks of different things. Likely? Unlikely? Very different than certain, isn't it?
Yes, different than certainty. As I said, doctors rarely (if ever) have certainty when making recommendations for patients. They can only go on the information available and their best judgment as to what the risks are and how likely or unlikely things are.
Sorry, I've had enough. You have the last word. :hi:
Kate Middleton set to return to work next month after bout of morning sickness - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/kate-middleton-set-to-return-to-work-next-month-after-bout-of-morning-sickness-30621820.html)
Not surprised in the least.
Quote from: Limabeany on October 02, 2014, 01:13:54 AM
Quote from: TLLK on October 01, 2014, 11:25:43 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 01, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
TLLK, we don't know them and have no access to their private conversations and legal documents and medical records, everything we discuss is our opinion on what is made public, either by the media or their pr people. You may prefer facts but, also accept that we are posting opinions and you may not agree with those opinions but that is why we are here, there are no facts as we don't know these people. Our comments come from our life experience and what makes sense to us.
Excellent statement Limabeany. Now I've found from my life experience/common sense is that doctors when working with their patients would have the best idea of whether or not a patient would be able to travel. Perhaps you or someone you know has had a similar experience when working with health care professionals. With that in mind I'm very willing to state that Kate's doctor very likely signed off on her going based on his examinations of the patient, her blood tests and was she showing any recent signs of relapse instead of making use of a crystal ball. :wink:
Then you are making use of a crystal ball as there is no indication what her doctor knew for a fact and I don't know how it is possible something will not show up in a week and a half with any certainty. :happy15:
But he would know what the facts were regarding his patient and his actions would indicate to me (life experience/common sense coming into play) that the patient was well-enough to travel and therefore she did. :wink:
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Quote from: Canuck on October 02, 2014, 01:20:32 AM
Generally doctors don't make recommendations based on having absolute certainty about whether something will happen or not. They observe patients and make recommendations based on what they think is likely or unlikely, the risks of different things, etc.
Couldn't have said it better. Canuck I guess that your life experiences with healthcare professionals have been similar to mine. :)
Quote from: Limabeany on October 02, 2014, 01:25:18 AM
She was pregnant, had HG, allegedly, and was going to be on a plane 9 hours and going somewhere without a hospital, certainly not a good combination, there are risks of different things. Likely? Unlikely? Very different than certain, isn't it?
Considering that she's being treated at home now, it's likely a clinic would have been just as appropriate as a hospital had she needed medical attention in Mustique, since she'd already been diagnosed in a hospital.
Cindy
I think the HG diagnosis came a bit late in the first pregnancy, causing severe dehydration and weakness that required hospitalization. This time around, everyone was on the lookout for it and took proper steps right away to stabilize the situation before it got out of control.That doesn't mean she isn't still sick--just hopefully not to the point that she and baby are in any danger.
Waiting for the trip to Mustique, and the cheering chorus of not a danger to her as her doctor knows for a fact she will not get it when she is there, medicine is totally predictable, as all medical practitioners know, of course, and rejoicing in the fact that events are popping up left and right to make her appear hardworking by scheduling and not by actual work, as that would be impossible, what is a nigthmare for Kate is a dream for the BRF PR. Bring it on Palace PR. How many can they schedule? Stay tuned! :banana: :banana: :banana:
:goodpost: Limabeany , imho the reason most people dont expect her much from her,is because of her past and the 3 yrs since she has been married into the brf . She literally spent her 20s ,from 22 to 29 doing nothing but dabbling ,what was her excuse then ????? the queen didn't want her to overshadow Carole ...ehh??? lol that's how silly that excuse sounds . Then after the wedding she became even less visible .
There is a reason people dont want to switch places with her ,she's achieved little in life ,most people wont want to throw away their achievements to live like a recluse . In the past 3 months the last time we saw her was in July :notamused: tbh royals aren't in hiding the way she is :orchid:
Quote from: tiaras on October 02, 2014, 08:18:33 PM
In the past 3 months the last time we saw her was in July :notamused: tbh royals aren't in hiding the way she is :orchid:
Kate did several official engagements the first week of August (in Belgium, and then at the poppy installation at the Tower of London). The BRF then took its customary August holiday from official events, but Kate was pictured out several times (going to dinner with Will, returning to London by train, etc.). She would have been back to official engagements starting September 8th (when she was scheduled to be at Oxford with Will) but because of her illness has not been out at all. She's not "in hiding", she's sick.
Why didnt she attend graduate school either ,wasnt it better toget an education if she didnt want to work ?
of course she is sick now ,what about the times she wasnt sick ? what was she doing ?
^ Exactly,
@tiaras! What?
If you think she should do more appearances generally, you're welcome to that opinion. I was responding specifically to the part of your post I quoted, where you said Kate hadn't been seen since July and was in hiding. Neither of those things are true.
she's been in hiding since she married William... She is let out to pasture once or twice a month. :nod:
She must be eased in. The easing in has taken a long time. Plus there was time when she disappeared to research her charities and she does little with the ones she chose.
Quote from: Canuck on October 02, 2014, 08:25:32 PM
Quote from: tiaras on October 02, 2014, 08:18:33 PM
In the past 3 months the last time we saw her was in July :notamused: tbh royals aren't in hiding the way she is :orchid:
Kate did several official engagements the first week of August (in Belgium, and then at the poppy installation at the Tower of London). The BRF then took its customary August holiday from official events, but Kate was pictured out several times (going to dinner with Will, returning to London by train, etc.). She would have been back to official engagements starting September 8th (when she was scheduled to be at Oxford with Will) but because of her illness has not been out at all. She's not "in hiding", she's sick.
Thank you for sharing the facts about her schedule of events and public appearances. :)
Quote from: PaulaB on September 29, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
It suddenly struck me the other day why do we expect his wife to be so into charity work? Her job is to support her husband and to have children. She is pregnant with her second child and suffering hg again.
because it is part of royal work.l. I don't think she's got any interest in t and will never do ore than the bare minimum and that makes me think poorly of her. I don't expect her to be out doing stuff while she's having kids and being ill, but she did very little in hr single days, (2 part time jobs) even though she was single for many years.. and she's just dong the bare minimum now as a wife. You might as well ask why do we expect ANY royal to do crharity work or to do the sort of stuff that the queen does.. such as investitures, military engagements etc. But we do, because that IS wht they do.
Now according to the Mirror a trip to NY may be in the works for late Nov early Dec . Why still talking about trips if She so sick ? She can not do engagements in a London but NY NY
It's been said that other engagements are scheduled, but they're not announcing them because of the uncertainty of Kate's condition. How reliable a source is The Mirror?
Cindy
As reliable as KP...
If there is indeed a New York trip being planned, I wonder if it is related to a UN conference or meeting. A lot of the continental Royals seem to go to the UN fairly frequently (3 or 4 of them were there in September).
Assuming Kate has a similar experience with HG as in her first pregnancy, she should be up and about by November, so perhaps on that basis they think she will be up to a trip by then. KP has stressed that all engagements are still tentative based on her health, so if they are making plans for a trip I would think it is on the same understanding.
I doubt she would be doing anything at the UN - the recent spate of royals in NYC was because of the annual opening of the current session so Kate has missed that. She also lacks the profile in humanitarian affairs or the position to be chatting folks at the UN up.
I would expect some promotion of British trade and perhaps a fundraiser with the American Friends organization that supports their foundation. Harry attended such a dinner on his last visit.
But would it also be nice to see Kate attend some of the high culture stuff that NYC is so famous for. A trip to the opera ballet or symphony? One of my disappointments is that we so rarely see them supporting the arts - attending such performances was a mainstay of Diana and Charles schedule.
Oh, I don't know! Kate did attend one performance of the Ballet, 'Alice in Wonderland', a matinee performance with Charles, in London, shortly after she married. :wink:
Quote from: cinrit on October 04, 2014, 10:22:34 PM
It's been said that other engagements are scheduled, but they're not announcing them because of the uncertainty of Kate's condition. How reliable a source is The Mirror?
Cindy
not too bad.
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Quote from: cate1949 on October 05, 2014, 05:53:16 AM
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But would it also be nice to see Kate attend some of the high culture stuff that NYC is so famous for. A trip to the opera ballet or symphony? One of my disappointments is that we so rarely see them supporting the arts - attending such performances was a mainstay of Diana and Charles schedule.
Charles and Di were boht into the arts up to a point. I don't think that Wil and Kate are, their interests are more outdoorsy...Di like music and ballet. Charles likes opera...and generally music....
I think her pr people are on a frenzy to create events for her so it seems as if she is missing soooo much from her illness. She has never been this active. And, she isn't but they are making it up to make her seem more victimized and hardworking by scheduling. Her schedule is tentative because they can't find events to cancel fast enough.
Curious to know what would be taking her to NYC. Thinking of her charities I'm guessing it has to do with art ie: National Portrait Gallery or children's : Art Room or EACH (hospice) rather than the sports related ones. Art Room could be setting up a program overseas.
We will never know if she has an interest in Art or if she studied it because she had to study something useful when marrying a wealthy guy so she didn't have to work. Her interest is not profound, in any case.
She's a royal, there is future bios and history to come.
Most chapters taken directly from the fiction section. :happy15:
There's the court circular, chronicler, and the historian.
Yup! Those are the ones! LOL
The same ones we all read and form our opinions. 😛
I am missing your point... :wink:
Quote from: Limabeany on October 05, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
We will never know if she has an interest in Art or if she studied it because she had to study something useful when marrying a wealthy guy so she didn't have to work. Her interest is not profound, in any case.
She did study art history as one of her A levels along with chemistry and biology so I would believe that she does have a genuine interest in the subject. She's been spotted at contemporary art exhibits so if she chooses to attend them then I believe it is an ongoing interest for her. Apparently people have walked up and asked "Are you Kate?" and she'll acknowledge that it is her.
She also spent part of her gap year in Italy studying art.
If you think Kate is lazy and hasn't shown much passion since being with Will, that's one thing. But I think it's pretty sexist to say that she only went to school to find a rich husband and doesn't care about the thing she studied at all. Kate has throughout her life studied and shown interest in art (and did quite well in school). Again, if you think she's been lazy since then, that's one thing. But it's another, and in my view totally ridiculous, thing to act like she has literally never cared about anything in her life.
There are still women who go to Uni to find a rich husband. And saying so is not "sexist." Kate had a good many years to use the art degree but never really used it.
Quote from: TLLK on October 05, 2014, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 05, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
We will never know if she has an interest in Art or if she studied it because she had to study something useful when marrying a wealthy guy so she didn't have to work. Her interest is not profound, in any case.
She did study art history as one of her A levels along with chemistry and biology so I would believe that she does have a genuine interest in the subject. She's been spotted at contemporary art exhibits so if she chooses to attend them then I believe it is an ongoing interest for her. Apparently people have walked up and asked "Are you Kate?" and she'll acknowledge that it is her.
Nearly everyone has been spotted at major art exhibits, so if she chooses to attend REGULARLY, I will assume it may be an ongoing interest for her. As far as Uni, she has done nothing useful or art related since she graduated, there is nothing, besides the degree she has never ever used to indicate she has an interest in the arts.
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Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 12:27:23 AM
She also spent part of her gap year in Italy studying art.
If you think Kate is lazy and hasn't shown much passion since being with Will, that's one thing. But I think it's pretty sexist to say that she only went to school to find a rich husband and doesn't care about the thing she studied at all. Kate has throughout her life studied and shown interest in art (and did quite well in school). Again, if you think she's been lazy since then, that's one thing. But it's another, and in my view totally ridiculous, thing to act like she has literally never cared about anything in her life.
She spent part of her gap year studying art, went to Uni and then worked on William until the age of 32. In my view, it is ridiculous to point to her life and say she has expressed CONSISTENTLY an interest in anything but William. Her life itself is an incredibly sexist message.
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
Just because they had a long BF/GF relationship, whilst working at jigsaw and later at party pieces, doesn't translate in a sexist relationship.
Then Beatrice also has it? Never hear she's at Sony, not even paped, no daily Bea.
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
You and I have very different definitions of consistency, I prefer this one:
a : marked by harmony, regularity, or steady continuity
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
Kate must be very knowledgable about art; too bad her interest does not extend so far as to know the Faberge Eggs were no longer being made in 2011. :lol:
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 03:14:21 AM
Quote from: TLLK on October 05, 2014, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 05, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
We will never know if she has an interest in Art or if she studied it because she had to study something useful when marrying a wealthy guy so she didn't have to work. Her interest is not profound, in any case.
She did study art history as one of her A levels along with chemistry and biology so I would believe that she does have a genuine interest in the subject. She's been spotted at contemporary art exhibits so if she chooses to attend them then I believe it is an ongoing interest for her. Apparently people have walked up and asked "Are you Kate?" and she'll acknowledge that it is her.
Nearly everyone has been spotted at major art exhibits, so if she chooses to attend REGULARLY, I will assume it may be an ongoing interest for her. As far as Uni, she has done nothing useful or art related since she graduated, there is nothing, besides the degree she has never ever used to indicate she has an interest in the arts.
@TLLK do you have any links about her non-engagement visits to art galleries? I'd be interested to hear more details. I just remember the gallery opening in Ireland in mid-2000s.
@Limabeany I'm often at art museums-- thought I didn't study history of art, I do enjoy visits!
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 06, 2014, 03:42:52 AM
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
Kate must be very knowledgable about art; too bad her interest does not extend so far as to know the Faberge Eggs were no longer being made in 2011. :lol:
Having watched that video all the way through, it's my strong opinion that that's a mischaracterization of what actually happened in that exchange. I know it's been repeated so much that it's become "truth", but I see something quite different.
Agreed, Adrienne.
There is no degree that guarantees you will work in a profession directly related. More than half the population of uni grads worldwide end up working in something else and unrelated. Although Forbes does indicate retail workers with history of art in their statistics.
The context, The question of the Faberge egg. Kate is correct.
History came full circle in October 2007 when Fabergé, under new ownership and direction, announced the reunification of the Fabergé name with the Fabergé family. This opened a new chapter in the intriguing story of Fabergé, and set the stage for a total revitalisation of the Fabergé name and philosophy, in tune with its original values, aesthetics and spirit. Fabergé was re-launched on the 9th September, 2009, with three Les Fabuleuses de Fabergé High Jewellery Collections - Les Fleurs, Les Fables and Les Fauves de Fabergé.
Today, with Katharina Flohr as Creative and Managing Director, and her in-house creative team, Fabergé is forging a fresh yet strong identity. Paying homage to Peter Carl Fabergé's genius as a visionary artist-jeweller, and benefiting from the expertise and guidance of Tatiana and Sarah Fabergé, his great-grand-daughters, contemporary Fabergé collections are imbued with poetry, artistry and refined ideals of beauty made possible by unrivalled craftsmanship, innovation and ingenuity, all underlined with a strong emotional engagement. Distinguished by Fabergé's dedication to excellence and pursuit of perfection, the jewels are both linked to Fabergé's world, yet of the moment and relevant today, demonstrating the modernity that Peter Carl Fabergé was always able to bring to his own eclectic cultural and stylistic references.
They haven't closed, one can make an order. Of a new egg, rather than the historical eggs collection, about 69 recovered, 12 belong to the BRF.
ETA she's got plenty to discuss with the Royal collection people, being a HRH, DOC, future POW, future Quuen Consort.
Trivia, there's a DM old story she and Chelsy had a private tour at BP, the guide said she is very knowledgable.
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 06, 2014, 03:42:52 AM
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
Kate must be very knowledgable about art; too bad her interest does not extend so far as to know the Faberge Eggs were no longer being made in 2011. :lol:
So because you study art history you must know EVERYTHING about all art history?
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
:goodpost: I think you have said it all Canuck.
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Thank you wannable for posting the information about the eggs and the family that continues to create these unique pieces.
Quote from: PaulaB on October 06, 2014, 05:04:37 AM
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 06, 2014, 03:42:52 AM
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
Kate must be very knowledgable about art; too bad her interest does not extend so far as to know the Faberge Eggs were no longer being made in 2011. :lol:
So because you study art history you must know EVERYTHING about all art history?
She was going to a PUBLIC event EXHIBITING FABERGE EGGS with the QUEEN who is also her grandmother in law, the FACT that she didn't bother to prepare or study beforehand shows how shallow and lacking in desire to prepare Kate Middleton is. She doesn't need to know everything, but she does need to know about where she is visiting. She is a freaking working adult. And not a toddler, despite the toddler-like allowances her fans make for her.
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No one here has posted a history of KateMiddleton clearly and consistently expressing an interest in the arts every month every year or even with any regularity.
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 08:35:54 AM
Quote from: PaulaB on October 06, 2014, 05:04:37 AM
Quote from: Lady Adams on October 06, 2014, 03:42:52 AM
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:33:15 AM
Not having a career in the art world doesn't mean she doesn't have an interest in it. She did an A level in it, she studied it on her gap year, she majored in it, she's been seen at a number of art exhibits and related events, and two of her patronages are art related. Again, you may think she's lazy, but I'd say she pretty clearly has an interest in art that has been consistently expressed.
Kate must be very knowledgable about art; too bad her interest does not extend so far as to know the Faberge Eggs were no longer being made in 2011. :lol:
So because you study art history you must know EVERYTHING about all art history?
She was going to a PUBLIC event EXHIBITING FABERGE EGGS with the QUEEN who is also her grandmother in law, the FACT that she didn't bother to prepare or study beforehand shows how shallow and lacking in desire to prepare Kate Middleton is. She doesn't need to know everything, but she does need to know about where she is visiting. She is a freaking working adult. And not a toddler, despite the toddler-like allowances her fans make for her.
same ole :censored2: people will always believe she truly works hard lol this reminds me of the war horse premier and her childish behaviour ,her stupid comments at fortnum and mason ...the multiple upskirts ... <_< she's beyond help .
For anyone who's interested, here's why I think that the whole "Kate didn't know about Faberge eggs" thing is an unfair characterization. (Sorry I didn't post this last night, but it was my bed time.)
I've done a transcript (all transcription errors my own, and please feel free to point them out -- some audio was garbled, since my speakers are slowly begging to be replaced) based on the video at The Queen and the Duchess of Cambridge at the Buckingham Palace Wedding Exhibition - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BhDMqYOjrU) Feel free to watch it yourself. Below, I've added some editorial notes, which are my interpretations only.
Quote:50 K & HM stop in front of a display including a figurine of a man and a horse.
Kate: They're amazing. Are these kept in your <unintelligible>
HM: No, they're just shut in a cupboard. Well they all used to live at Sandringham, you see, but the house is empty now. We can't leave them <unintelligible>.
1:01 They move on to another case, containing more human figures, an elephant, a camel figure and possibly a bird, and a flower.
Kate: Are any of these <unintelligible> been given to you. (See editorial note one)
HM: No No. Good heavens no. Nobody can afford these things nowadays.
Kate: Is.. Are these still made? (See editorial note two)
HM: No
Aide: Yes they are ma'am, yes they are.
HM: Well, copies. <some back and forth between HM and aide>
1:25 They move on to the eggs
Kate: And these are the eggs. Because these.. when you say Faberge, these are what people always think of, the eggs.
Editorial note 1: She seems, from what I can make out and from the queen's answer, to be asking if these have been in the collection for a long time or whether people had recently given any of them to the queen.
Editorial note 2: In my opinion, Kate here is reacting with a certain amount of caution; the way I read the exchange when I first saw it was that she interpreted the queen's answer ("no one can afford them nowadays") as meaning that they were being made now, which was counter to her own knowledge, but she didn't feel comfortable directly contradicting the queen in the queen in the way that the aide clearly did a few seconds later.
Either way, the video clearly shows that a) she's familiar with the eggs and b) that they weren't talking about the eggs when the "no one can afford them" "Is.. Are they still being made" exchange took place.
It seems like she asked whether the eggs she was looking at were still made, a quick google search would have rendered that question moot and have allowed her to ask questions about the technique or the original eggs themselves. As I said, no preparation beyond what to wear went into this visit. These are not questions that denote knowledge of the history of the eggs past or present, there were many questions she should and could have asked instead of a basic one which denoted she knew nothing about them, even "are the eggs still produced to commemorate special occasions?' "are imperial eggs still produced?" or "does the House of Faberge still produce eggs?" still denoting she didn't bother to read on the subject as her original question but at least showing she knew something other than they were being exhibited. The Queen was right, the ones in the exhibition or "these" as Kate referred to them are no longer being produced.
She wasn't looking at eggs when the question was asked.
"These" implies the eggs she asked about were the ones there. At the exhibition. if she had read anything about THE eggs in the exhibition, she wouldn't have asked whether, they specifically were being made, or in general as she should have known "THESE" are not being produced but, others are and would have asked a question denoting some research had gone into it, basically any question related to technique, how they were painted would have been appropriate and certainly not as uninformed and shallow.
Alternately, Kate could have read everything she could find about Fabregé eggs and either sounded off about them to the Queen like a know-it-all, or just kept mute and not encouraged discussion with the Queen.
Cindy
Well, to me, if someone is looking at a case of objects that are *not* eggs but are made by Faberge, and have not yet arrived at the case containing the eggs, and have been talking about the items in the case in front of them, to suppose that "these" means the eggs takes a bit of a leap. Especially since when they actually got the the case with the three Imperial eggs, Kate says "And these are the eggs. Because these.. when you say Faberge, these are what people always think of, the eggs."
But, of course, that's just my interpretation. Anyone who wants to is free to interpret "these" as "the things that we haven't gotten to and haven't been talking about" if they really want to, of course.
Yeah like I said people will believe what they want . The queens tone with her is very interesting :orchid: , her multiple gaffes is any indication .
The exhibition was of the Original House of Faberge Eggs and not a general exhibition, the fact that she hadn't reached the eggs is irrelevant she was at a specific exhibit, of artifacts from a specific era, the question is senseless and uninformed, better answered by Google than on public forum, "these" we're not still being made as the man is dead. She was daft and thoughtlessly unprepared.
Quote from: tiaras on October 06, 2014, 12:56:42 PM
Yeah like I said people will believe what they want . The queens tone with her is very interesting :orchid: , her multiple gaffes is any indication .
We all have our different takes on the discussion. Personally, I don't detect anything "off" about the Queen's tone. I doubt the Queen would be so rude as to take a "tone" with anyone, much less in front of a video camera. So, I suppose we all hear what we want to hear, too.
Cindy
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
The exhibition was of the original house of Faberge Eggs and not a general exhibition, the fact that she hadn't reached the eggs is irrelevant SHE WAS AT A SPECIFIC EXHIBIT, of artifacts from a specific era, the question is senseless and uninformed, better answered by Google than on aublic forum, "these" we're not still being made as the man is dead. She was daft and thoughtlessly unprepared.
However his descendents have carried on the tradition of making them so they are still being produced by the original design house. I agree with Kate and the aide that they are still being made. :thumbsup: Carl Faberge's designs had been documented over the years and his family would have access to the materials to create new ones.
So Kate asks if something is still being made while looking at a case containing objects OTHER THAN the eggs, then after the question is asked and answer they move on to the next display and Kate says "and these are the eggs." That seems like a pretty clear indication that until that point, they had not been discussing the eggs. :shrug:
Quote from: cinrit on October 06, 2014, 12:21:37 PM
Alternately, Kate could have read everything she could find about Fabregé eggs and either sounded off about them to the Queen like a know-it-all, or just kept mute and not encouraged discussion with the Queen.
Cindy
Why would she be a know it all if she took an interest in preparing for a royal appearance.
I'd say that she had prepared for the visit as she knew that Faberge eggs were still being produced by Carl's descendents. However I can see why she would be uncomfortable in contradicting HM. Perhaps Kate assumed that HM knew that new and original versions were being created?
When making a video production with the purpose of showing like discovery channel, in this case the Royal channel, usually you make dummy questions and answers for the viewer, the palace aide guide replied yes. That's his/her job.
The latest and most recent, when Princess Anne was being videoed during the picnic contest, she asked the dummy question to a picnic camper contestant who showcased a barbecue, "do you always make barbecue", he replied yes.
I think the point of contention from what I'm reading with this topic in the last few pages, is two; some think she's an idiot, the others think not.
Quote from: TLLK on October 06, 2014, 03:42:41 PM
I'd say that she had prepared for the visit as she knew that Faberge eggs were still being produced by Carl's descendents.
There is nothing to indicate this. How do you figure she knew anything?
Quote from: Canuck on October 06, 2014, 03:18:20 PM
So Kate asks if something is still being made while looking at a case containing objects OTHER THAN the eggs, then after the question is asked and answer they move on to the next display and Kate says "and these are the eggs." That seems like a pretty clear indication that until that point, they had not been discussing the eggs. :shrug:
It is a clear indication she had not researched Faberge from the era she was viewing and quite clear she can identify an egg by its shape.
Quote from: sandy on October 06, 2014, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: cinrit on October 06, 2014, 12:21:37 PM
Alternately, Kate could have read everything she could find about Fabregé eggs and either sounded off about them to the Queen like a know-it-all, or just kept mute and not encouraged discussion with the Queen.
Cindy
Why would she be a know it all if she took an interest in preparing for a royal appearance.
Apparently, showing she knows anything at all would be showing off to the Queen, she presents herself as though she knows nothing and we are supposed to assume she knows a lot and is only acting as if she knows nothing to not show off on front of the Queen, who, apparently, expects her to know nothing.
Quote from: TLLK on October 06, 2014, 03:42:41 PM
I'd say that she had prepared for the visit as she knew that Faberge eggs were still being produced by Carl's descendents. However I can see why she would be uncomfortable in contradicting HM. Perhaps Kate assumed that HM knew that new and original versions were being created?
I see some truth in this. Kate seems very calm and quite passive. She doesn't seem a strong enough character to contradict anyone much less the Queen.
She does seem quite passive. But, she didn't have to contradict the Queen, just ask something that would show she knew something, why ask if they are still being made if she had researched Faberge? If she had researched her engagement that day, she would know what she was viewing, the era it came from and what was being produced today under the same name, she would not have had to ask IF it was still produced. That question says she knew nothing at all.
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Quote from: TLLK on October 06, 2014, 03:42:41 PM
I'd say that she had prepared for the visit as she knew that Faberge eggs were still being produced by Carl's descendents. However I can see why she would be uncomfortable in contradicting HM. Perhaps Kate assumed that HM knew that new and original versions were being created?
I see some truth in this. Kate seems very calm and quite passive. She doesn't seem a strong enough character to contradict anyone much less the Queen.
Well I believe that as the newest member of the BRF she might have felt uncomfortable doing this in front of a camera knowing that it was going to be shown on the news soon after. A few years of being a part of the BRF and spending more time with HM might give her the confidence to gently inform HM about the facts about the Faberge family's newest creations.
I can see how she can come off as dumb at times. But I think it mostly comes out of lack of confidence in situations with important people. She seems to have more confidence with children for obvious reasons. Maybe it'll get better as time goes on. That's why I was looking forward to seeing her more on her own so she could develop confidence in her public persona. She seems to like that William is more confident and seems to carry himself as such; some shy people rely on more dominant partners to make them feel more comfortable.
^^^Good observations HistoryGirl. She does seem to lack confidence at times and I believe it was more apparent soon after the wedding.
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Quote from: TLLK on October 06, 2014, 03:42:41 PM
I'd say that she had prepared for the visit as she knew that Faberge eggs were still being produced by Carl's descendents. However I can see why she would be uncomfortable in contradicting HM. Perhaps Kate assumed that HM knew that new and original versions were being created?
I see some truth in this. Kate seems very calm and quite passive. She doesn't seem a strong enough character to contradict anyone much less the Queen.
Well I believe that as the newest member of the BRF she might have felt uncomfortable doing this in front of a camera knowing that it was going to be shown on the news soon after. A few years of being a part of the BRF and spending more time with HM might give her the confidence to gently inform HM about the facts about the Faberge family's newest creations.
Lord, she didn't need to correct HM, HM was right the IMPERIAL collection is no longer being produced because there is no longer a Russian Empire. Kate would have known this and would have known that although the House of Faberge continues to produce items, they are not the IMPERIAL collection items that were under glass as viewed by Kate and HM, because everyone involved, including Mr. Faberge is dead. That does not take confidence to know just a willingness to use Google. She wouldn't have asked something as basic and blatantly uninformed as that if she had bothered to prepare beforehand, she could have asked or commented about the technique instead, not something she should have known as someone who knew she would be viewing those items.
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 07:22:56 PM
Lord, she didn't need to correct HM, HM was right the IMPERIAL collection is no longer being produced because there is no longer a Russian Empire. Kate would have known this and would have known that although the House of Faberge continues to produce items, they are not the IMPERIAL collection items that were under glass as viewed by Kate and HM, because everyone involved, including Mr. Faberge is dead.
Well, exactly. It is obvious, even without google research, that the person making items for the Russian imperial court is no longer making them, since that court doesn't exist anymore and anyone who had done that back then would be long dead. So one can choose to believe that Kate is so profoundly stupid that she (a) didn't know the original Faberge made things for the Russian Royals or (b) thought that items made 100 years ago were still being produced by the same person. Or one can believe, as did the people she was actually talking to, that she was instead asking whether the HOUSE of Faberge was still making these types of items -- which they are, per the aide's answer to her question.
Of course, you're free to believe the former. But even if you think she's kind of dumb, IMO it's quite a stretch for her to be quite so unbelievably stupid as the first interpretation of her question would require and yet still have done well at school and be able to do things like walk and talk at the same time. :orchid:
Why would she ask something so obvious as to whether they were still made if she did know, then it was a nonsensical question to ask, so she was either uninformed or nonsensical, she could have asked, commented on so many things that would have given anyone a reason to believe she had done her homework instead of assuming that because she is not dumb she must have known something, there is no evidence she knew anything at all based on her question.
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Maybe she'll feel better for Halloween event.
They haven't come up with any other event canceled because she is sick.
i read a unreliable article about a New York event around November.
So far she's still sick.
She may have known that the House of Faberge was still making things, and wondered if they made the particular types of items in that case.
I'm not trying to argue it was the pinnacle of all possible questions that reflected hundreds of hours of study and question-formation practice. I'm just saying it's not a blindingly stupid question to which the answer is so obviously "no" that even asking it reveals she doesn't have any interest in art in general. Since the aide with them in fact said "yes" to the question, that doesn't seem like a controversial proposition to me. :shrug:
Q&A session filmed, a guide for dummies! 😉. I honestly believe there are lots of people who don't know the house of faberge exists and one can make an order.
Just ask Princess Anne! Dummy questions.
If he interpreted the general question as "does the House of Faberge still makes stuff" then he was right to say yes, but the Queen interpreted the question as "do they still make these precious historic items" and she was correct. I am saying the question wouldn't have been asked by someone who KNEW that those items were made during a specific period in history, for a specific family and also knew that items were still manufactured under the brand, why would she ask that question if she had known that? That makes no sense.
Quote from: wannable on October 06, 2014, 09:49:10 PM
i read a unreliable article about a New York event around November.
So far she's still sick.
I think so too, but I am surprised the Palace has stopped with the release of all sorts of events she was supposed to attend.
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
If he interpreted the general question as "does the House of Faberge still makes stuff" then he was right to say yes, but the Queen interpreted the question as "do they still make these precious historic items" and she was correct. I am saying the question wouldn't have been asked by someone who KNEW that those items were made during a specific period in history, for a specific family and also knew that items were still manufactured under the brand, why would she ask that question if she had known that? That makes no sense.
I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for someone who knows that the items in the Queen's collection were made a hundred years ago and also knows that the House of Faberge still exists and sells things to ask whether they currently make the types of items in the Queen's collection.
You're quite right that both the aide and the Queen gave valid but different answers based on their interpretation. That doesn't mean the question was stupid -- if anything, I would say the opposite (since if there was a single clear answer, then the question wouldn't have been as necessary).
But beyond that: this is a whole lot of interpretation of a single four-word question. We went down this tangent because someone said that Kate isn't knowledgeable about art because she thought the Faberge eggs were still being made. Even if this wasn't the single best researched question ever asked, I don't think it demonstrates any such thing (since she wasn't talking about the eggs at all, and the aide actually said yes to her question).
I think the question was great, I bet many people got educated with the fact that the house of faberge exists.
I didn't know! At that time.
Me too, wannable! If the goal was education, then I'd say the question did its job. :flower:
The question denotes she didn't know the specific items she was looking at were no longer produced and/or didn't know the history of Faberge. It makes no sense that she would know and ask that question.
I miss the Russian Imperial family, that was true beauty and elegance that pretty much died with them all. I dont 5hink Kate is stupid maybe more in the realm of not intellectualy curious.
The BRF have a large collection of Faberge objects of all kinds. The Queen Mother collected them and so did Queen Mary. Alexandra and her sister the Empress Marie would give each other Faberge items every Christmas and every birthday, and that went for the immediate family as well. Lucky, lucky people!
Quote from: wannable on October 06, 2014, 10:06:40 PM
I think the question was great, I bet many people got educated with the fact that the house of faberge exists.
I didn't know! At that time.
I have to agree and I also did not know that the design house still existed and was producing new pieces.
:goodpost: Agree completely on all counts!
Quote from: KaTerina Montague on October 06, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
I miss the Russian Imperial family, that was true beauty and elegance that pretty much died with them all. I dont 5hink Kate is stupid maybe more in the realm of not intellectualy curious.
My point is, the thing is I've observed videos of royals followed with a mic, they DO dummy Q&A, kate isn't the first!
As I said why would Princess Anne ask a camper showcasing a Barbecue, "do you do barbecues, do you always do barbecues". Hello! Perhaps she's in the right to ask, the barb looked glistening and perhaps a used look would have made it look more natural, hence the Q&A. The guy didn't win the picnic contest, rather two ladies who had the simple natural look.
There is that possibility of Kates question, my line of thought with all due respect to posters and bloggers here and there, is what I previously said before, I didn't know, and the majority didn't know, the usual blasted, the usual defended, but until one poster linked the house of faberge site and a small article of its inauguration 2009, the aftermath posts were predictable.
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 11:52:19 PM
:goodpost: Agree completely on all counts!
Quote from: KaTerina Montague on October 06, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
I miss the Russian Imperial family, that was true beauty and elegance that pretty much died with them all. I dont 5hink Kate is stupid maybe more in the realm of not intellectualy curious.
While I regret that the Russian Imperial Family was murdered and their extended family sent into exile, I don't miss the autocratic rule, the psychological hold that Rasputin had over the Tsarina and the family, the economic disparity between the classes that created the climate for the revolution.
:happy15: Must you rain reality on our dreamland parade? :cry:
Richard Palmer reports that Kate was scheduled to visit the America's Cup team base on Monday but has had to cancel because she's still ill: Duchess of Cambridge pulls out of official engagement due to sickness | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/519895/Duchess-of-Cambridge-pulls-event-due-to-morning-sickness)
I would guess these are events that were planned prior to her becoming sick -- I don't think that KP would be scheduling anything new for her right now.
Quote from: Limabeany on October 07, 2014, 04:38:17 PM
:happy15: Must you rain reality on our dreamland parade? :cry:
(Maniacal laugh) :angeldevil1:Yes. I live for these moments when I make people cry. HHHMMM where to next??? Maybe I can rain on the Swedish royals. Engaged couple, beautiful grandchildren....off I go.
why could they not just cancel all the events. And only make announcement when Kate is actually going on an appearance. This seems so pointless.
She is already criticized as lazy,
@sandy this way she appears hardworking by scheduling since she never will by her actual body of work.
Quote from: TLLK on October 07, 2014, 10:56:30 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 07, 2014, 04:38:17 PM
:happy15: Must you rain reality on our dreamland parade? :cry:
(Maniacal laugh) :angeldevil1:Yes. I live for these moments when I make people cry. HHHMMM where to next??? Maybe I can rain on the Swedish royals. Engaged couple, beautiful grandchildren....off I go.
:happy15: Team TLLK!! Go get 'em! :banana:
SSSHHH don't tell Lady Adams where I'm headed. Time to steal candy from a baby. :angeldevil1:
Duchess of Cambridge pulls out of official engagement due to sickness lasting five weeks | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/519895/Duchess-of-Cambridge-pulls-event-due-to-morning-sickness)
Quote from: TLLK on October 07, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 11:52:19 PM
:goodpost: Agree completely on all counts!
Quote from: KaTerina Montague on October 06, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
I miss the Russian Imperial family, that was true beauty and elegance that pretty much died with them all. I dont 5hink Kate is stupid maybe more in the realm of not intellectualy curious.
While I regret that the Russian Imperial Family was murdered and their extended family sent into exile, I don't miss the autocratic rule, the psychological hold that Rasputin had over the Tsarina and the family, the economic disparity between the classes that created the climate for the revolution.
Look at Russia since the revolution Stalin, Lennon, gorbachev the only thing in they way Russia is ruled is the name. They have gone from Czar to president but its still an autocratic rule
Duchess of Cambridge forced to call off another engagement due to morning sickness: Kate misses visit to meet Sir Ben Ainslie's America's Cup sailing team
Kate Duchess of Cambridge misses meeting Sir Ben Ainslie's America's Cup team | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2784570/Duchess-Cambridge-forced-call-engagement-morning-sickness-Kate-misses-visit-meet-Sir-Ben-Ainslie-s-America-s-Cup-sailing-team.html)
Quote from: PaulaB on October 08, 2014, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: TLLK on October 07, 2014, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on October 06, 2014, 11:52:19 PM
:goodpost: Agree completely on all counts!
Quote from: KaTerina Montague on October 06, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
I miss the Russian Imperial family, that was true beauty and elegance that pretty much died with them all. I dont 5hink Kate is stupid maybe more in the realm of not intellectualy curious.
While I regret that the Russian Imperial Family was murdered and their extended family sent into exile, I don't miss the autocratic rule, the psychological hold that Rasputin had over the Tsarina and the family, the economic disparity between the classes that created the climate for the revolution.
Look at Russia since the revolution Stalin, Lennon, gorbachev the only thing in they way Russia is ruled is the name. They have gone from Czar to president but its still an autocratic rule
The Imperial House of Putin should be added to the history books.
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Quote from: wannable on October 08, 2014, 10:09:47 AM
Duchess of Cambridge pulls out of official engagement due to sickness lasting five weeks | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/519895/Duchess-of-Cambridge-pulls-event-due-to-morning-sickness)
Well hopefully as she enters her second trimester she'll finally have some relief.
Richard Palmer (@RoyalReporter) tweeted at 5:10am - 10 Oct 14:
William and Kate are due to greet President and Mrs Tony Tan Keng Yam and travel with them to Horse Guards for a ceremonial welcome. (Richard Palmer on Twitter: "William and Kate are due to greet President and Mrs Tony Tan Keng Yam and travel with them to Horse Guards for a (https://twitter.com/RoyalReporter/status/520509044285788160))
Hopefully she'll be well enough in the next couple of weeks to participate. From what I've read about the carriages is that they can sway a bit.
If she is so sick how come she went to mommy's away from the doctors and Hospitals? :hmm:
The medical personnel are with her at her parents' house, Eri.
Cindy
Quote from: sandy on October 07, 2014, 11:35:32 PM
why could they not just cancel all the events. And only make announcement when Kate is actually going on an appearance. This seems so pointless.
Really. The girl is very sick.No doubt about it. It is very sad. No one wishes a rough pregnancy on no one. We all ahve family, friends, who could run a marathon during their pregnancy, gained about 20 lbs, looked better after, had an easy 2- hour something delivery, etc.
WE know others who...oh boy... All you could is hope, pray, worry, listen, try to help by taking the other kids, cleaning, cooking, taking turns on taking care of things like this for the husband and wife.
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The poor girl is very, really sick. No doubt about it. It seems worst this time. Seems the BRF, TPTB should just clear her calendar, adn done with it. ALSO, for her, no getting better, a miracle, and be in Mustique for her annual January vacation in sun, surf, sand. It would be bad pr .
It seems because this can cause miscarriage , TPTB should just keep her on bed rest or resting, gaining weight, under daily doctors , and that is all. No BRF duties, traveling, etc. at no time during her 2nd and no doubt last, pregnancy.
Other than the official announcement from CH, she is confirmed two events tomorrow; Singapore state visit and wildlife photography event.
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are expecting a baby in April (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/press-releases/the-duke-and-duchess-of-cambridge-are-expecting-baby-april)
On Tuesday 21st October, The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will greet The President of the Republic of Singapore and Mrs Tony Tan Keng Yam on behalf of The Queen at the Royal Garden Hotel, London as part of the State Visit. Their Royal Highnesses will then travel with The President and Mrs Tan to Horse Guards Parade, where The President will receive a Ceremonial Welcome.
The Duchess of Cambridge will also attend the Wildlife Photographer of The Year 2014 Awards Ceremony at the Natural History Museum on Tuesday 21st October. Further details will be released in due course