Royal Insight Forum

Welcome to Part 3 of Books written about and by the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.


The previous thread can be found here.
Books about and written by the Sussexes Part 2 (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=95074.msg1499804#msg1499804)

Prince Harry paid homage to "Marko" aka Capt. Mark Dwyer who was a steadying figure during Harry's teen years.

Meet ?Marko?, the steady mentor who kept the young Prince Harry in check (https://archive.ph/2O5nj)

QuoteHe is described in the Duke of Sussex?s memoir as ?Marko?, the man dispatched by the Royal household to uncover the ?truth? of Prince Harry?s drug-taking at Eton. 
But it has now emerged that ?Marko? is none other than Mark Dyer, the royal aide credited by many as being a mentor and steadying influence on the errant teenager. 
Indeed, many who know Mr Dyer consider him to be a surrogate father and one of the most important figures in the young Prince Harry?s life.

I found this editorial piece by Sarah Vine to have a good analysis comparing Prince Harry's actions to that of   his late mother's and what it ultimately cost her. I hope that there is a chance for Harry to reconsider his actions and words going forward before his bitterness and anger consume him.

He has compared Meghan to Diana. In thrall to vultures and unsure who to trust: that's Harry  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11610149/He-compared-Meghan-Diana-thrall-vultures-unsure-trust-thats-Harry.html#comments)

QuoteHowever entitled her anger might have been ? and it was, without a doubt, justified ? she allowed it to eat her up to the point where her behaviour became quite toxic.

Bit by bit she wore out my sympathy ? and that of many others ? with her antics. In her desire to wound those who had wounded her, she ended up making an even bigger mess of things, retreating into a fantasy world in which she blamed everyone else for her misfortunes, never able to accept responsibility for her actions, always casting herself as the victim.

Harry is the same. There is no doubt whatsoever that the poor boy was deeply traumatised by the loss of his mother, and that so much of his anger and bitterness stems from that fundamental grief.

Thank you TLLK for that article, yes it was a very well written piece showing Harry, sad that he has become so out of control with his life when he could of done so much more to help those in need. 

I've read enough to conclude that the #1 priority for both sides of the family should be Archie and Lilibet well being ASAP.

Quote from: wannable on January 08, 2023, 02:16:33 PM
I've read enough to conclude that the #1 priority for both sides of the family should be Archie and Lilibet well being ASAP.

excellent point. What next.
For BRF of KC, PW , handling Sussex adults by silence of Remain to Never Explain and Never Complain is best.
They  won?t be able to see the children as the parents would have to visit England  because the relationship is too toxic with the adults.
For the children in their primary years to visit Wales children, no. No, Sussex adults would have to accompany their children to England visits.
Megan and Harry would start toxicity on the that. A financial windfall. Example. Sussex children were bullied by George. Charlotte, aged 11,  does not play with Lillbet, aged 5. The Wales children are racists. Gotta thrown in the racism claim as it is a big money maker. $$$$$$

sadly, truly , you can count on one hand how many times KC has seen Archie and Lillibet.
All they BRF can do is leave the door open for the Sussex children to visit, live in England , and even join the BRF in support by working for it when the children are adults. At 18 yrs . old. By then, KC will probably be dead or very elderly at 90.
It is very sad HenryHarryHarold Dummy has taken love and history and amazing things there away from his children.


Divorce. When Megan tires of Henry,when he is no longer useful, I doubt he will have liberal access to the children. So him taking the children to England, probably not. I predict his rights to the children will be limited. The custody arrangement, no outside the USA travel. Megan will be custodial parent. Visitation to Henry who, fir the sake of the children, will make his home in CA

Prince Harry claims Prince William refused to go with on a pre-wedding walkabout | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11611587/Prince-Harry-claims-Prince-William-refused-pre-wedding-walkabout.html)

William, last minute, changed his mind about staying with Whittle Harwy at the hotel with the other guys before HennyHenry got married. H was left feeling low.

UMMMMMM, Wiliam, his fault, I will say it was Williams fault, lol.to have ever considered this , to agree.
William had a wife and a newborn month old at home plus two other young ones under age 5/6.
Lol, William should have never even considered it.

Henry is the ultimate crybaby, victim. Ridiculous.

^ Another example of Me, Myself and I solely self focus attention (Harry writing about his SELF needs forgetting not forgetting, he knows but doesn't factor it in, William is a father of 3 with recently born Louis at the above referred moment of H&M marrying. Multiple examples of me myself and I he exposed himself and the wife), every other 'analysis' of his (or her) crybaby is secondary.  The Me Myself and I is the most important aspect that affects themselves and the closest, relations, whoever crosses their paths and are involved one way or another, hence the children priority comment.

Fixing adults takes years, children must be saved 'before' age 4. ASAP. They will be dealing 'forever' with the destructive shenanigans of the parents. But how to deal with that is priority. 

Whatever Charles and Diana's ''story'' and faults, Harry has multiplied his story x100.  Really scary stuff. There is a lot of self destruction but also deliberate intention of destroying other people worse than whatever his parents did to each other, third parties, etc.

Narcissistic Harry has betrayed King Charles | Royal expert Simon Heffer - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NPtKtELA94)

Reality star, 51, who had 'fling with toyboy' Prince Harry when he was 21 says he's a 'good kisser' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611359/Reality-star-51-fling-toyboy-Prince-Harry-21-says-hes-good-kisser.html)

Prince Harry 'cried once' over Diana's death: Duke reveals he broke down in tears at mother's burial | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611395/Prince-Harry-cried-Dianas-death-Duke-reveals-broke-tears-mothers-burial.html)

Prince William 'lunged at Prince Harry and grabbed his shirt twice' in row over Oprah interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11610257/Prince-William-lunged-Prince-Harry-grabbed-shirt-twice-row-Oprah-interview.html)

Friends of the warring brothers hint Harry's 'favoured usher' Jack Mann was his best man | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611631/Friends-warring-brothers-hint-Harrys-favoured-usher-Jack-Mann-best-man.html)

Prince Harry could be barred from the US and has put visa 'at risk' after drugs admission | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11610559/Prince-Harry-barred-visa-risk-drugs-admission.html)

Prince Harry uses memoir to thank 'gypsy spirit' film producer and cameraman who 'brought him up' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611527/Prince-Harry-uses-memoir-thank-gypsy-spirit-film-producer-cameraman-brought-up.html)

Prince Harry was high on laughing gas and ate Nando's chicken at the birth of his son Archie | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11610269/Prince-Harry-high-laughing-gas-ate-Nandos-chicken-birth-son-Archie.html)

Agent of Caroline Flack criticises Prince Harry for writing about their 'tainted' romance | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11611521/Agent-Caroline-Flack-criticises-Prince-Harry-writing-tainted-romance.html)

Prince Harry 'made crass joke about 19-year-old he spent night with during Swiss ski trip aged 27'  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611649/Prince-Harry-crass-joke-19-year-old-spent-night-Swiss-ski-trip-aged-27.html)

Independent bookstores won't even stock Prince Harry's ?28 Spare because it's too expensive | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11611687/Independent-bookstores-wont-stock-Prince-Harrys-28-Spare-expensive.html)
That explained royal watchers and royal fans will not buy Prince Harry?s memoir due bombshell claims im sure Prince William is right!!

Kate Middleton's cheeky wedding gift from Prince Harry was VERY unroyal | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/20230106161140/kate-middleton-cheeky-wedding-gift-from-prince-harry/)

Bizarre reason why King Charles and Queen Consort Camilla wanted Kate to spell her name differently | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230108161134/spare-queen-consort-camilla-charles-wanted-different-spelling-kate-name/)

Prince Harry reveals real reason he showed no emotion following Princess Diana's death | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230107161196/prince-harry-reason-no-emotion-princess-diana-death-revealed/)
Prince Harry still missed his mother the late Diana,Princess of Wales who died in 1997

Zara and Mike Tindall appear all smiles during first outing since Prince Harry Spare bombshells | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230108161221/zara-mike-tindall-first-outing-bombshells/)

Remorseful Prince Harry expresses guilt over treatment of Caroline Flack during their romance | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230108161227/prince-harry-guilt-caroline-flack-romance/)

Prince Harry's latest bombshell claims Prince William was 'tipsy' ahead of wedding to Kate Middleton | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230107161185/prince-harry/)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64197679

Prince Harry 'unable to show any emotion' in days after Diana's death - as reason William has kept quiet over book explained | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-unable-to-show-any-emotion-in-days-after-dianas-death-as-reason-william-has-kept-quiet-over-book-explained-12781620)

Prince Harry?s book could be ?beginning of end? for royals, warns Charles?s biographer | Monarchy | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/08/harrys-book-end-of-monarchy-royal-biographer)

Prince William could 'have field day' with worse stories about Harry | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718302/Prince-william-news-harry-spare-much-worse-stories-latest)

Public have lost trust in Duke we who is 'wrong' to share personal details of Royal Family | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718401/prince-harry-royal-family-interviews-spare-book-public-poll)

Prince William told Harry he had been brainwashed by therapy and asked to supervise | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718356/prince-william-told-harry-brainwashed-by-therapy-spare-latest)

Prince Harry opens up on 'guilt' after only crying once when mum Diana died | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718319/Prince-Harry-guilt-cried-once-mother-princess-diana-died-spare)

Prince Harry and Prince William: How royal rift broke brothers' 'unique bond' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1717990/prince-harry-prince-william-book-spare-spt)

Buckingham Palace 'war-gamed every dispute' in preparation for Harry's bombshell memoir | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718345/buckingham-palace-prince-harry-book-memoir-prince-william-latest-royal-news-ont)
Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace will not comment on Harry?s memoir books it?s private matters,it?s private business and family matters between William and Harry?s claims but William will not allowed comment without permission!!

Prince Harry to be ?written out? of King Charles? coronation, a royal source claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718343/prince-harry-king-charles-coronation-royal-family-latest-ont)

Harry thanks ?second family? and lady who is 'jokingly' referred to as 'mom' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718339/prince-harry-memoir-spare-botswana-mike-holding-tania-jenkins-latest-royal-news-ont)

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-01-07/prince-harry-speaks-of-guilt-he-felt-after-dianas-death-in-latest-itv-trailer

What broke Prince Harry and Kate Middleton - 'arguments, broadsides and betrayal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/what-broke-prince-harry-kate-28876466)

Prince Harry slammed by Caroline Flack's agent for spilling details on 'tainted' romance - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/prince-harry-slammed-caroline-flacks-28901297)

Prince Harry could lose his US visa after admitting taking *** and magic mushrooms - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-could-lose-visa-28902172)

Prince Harry's love life - celebrity snogs and girlfriend Queen didn't approve of - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harrys-love-life-celebrity-28870831)
Late Queen Elizabeth have strict rules for approval who date

Zara and Mike Tindall ignore Prince Harry digs as they rub shoulders with Chris Hemsworth - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/zara-mike-tindall-ignore-prince-28902098)

William WASN'T Harry's best man - and was 'sulking' night before wedding, claims Duke - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/william-wasnt-harrys-best-man-28901554)

'The Queen would be devastated by Harry's row with family', says former press secretary - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/the-queen-would-devastated-harrys-28902634)
Late Queen Elizabeth will not approved on Harry?s memoir bombshell books but Queen Elizabeth follow William?s advice and example if Queen Elizabeth was here today and she will forbid Netflix and memoir books

Prince Harry ?placed target firmly on back of Archie and Lilibet? with Taliban claims - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-placed-target-firmly-28902167)

'Spare' Princess Anne forged own path could offer advice to Harry, says friend - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/spare-princess-anne-forged-path-28901439)

Harry didn't think he'd lose security as Andrew kept his after 'shameful scandal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-didnt-think-hed-lose-28901447)

Prince Harry's friends could speak out against him 'to debunk some of his claims' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harrys-friends-could-speak-28900282)

Seven questions Prince Harry still needs to answer as bombshell book is released - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/seven-questions-prince-harry-still-28900500)

Tom Bradby life off camera: 'Complete breakdown', Harry friendship, and second career - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/tom-bradby-life-camera-complete-28901598)

Prince William 'lunged at Harry' and 'used secret Diana code phrase' after Philip's funeral - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-william-lunged-harry-used-28900832)

Worried Prince William told Harry he has been 'brainwashed by therapist' in royal row - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/worried-prince-william-told-harry-28901096)

Prince Harry to have no role at coronation as King Charles SCRAPS tradition - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-no-role-coronation-28902623)

What broke Prince Harry and Kate Middleton - 'arguments, broadsides and betrayal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/what-broke-prince-harry-kate-28876466)

Who did Prince Harry lose his virginity to? Rumours go into overdrive after duke reveals he had sex in a field | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20976469/who-prince-harry-lose-virginity-to/)

Harry branded 'disrespectful' towards women 'during Swiss ski trip where he spent night with teen 8 years younger' | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20973116/harry-branded-disrespectful-towards-women/)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20973635/eye-witness-harrys-not-best-man-brothers-wedding/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20973036/william-lunged-harry-philip-funeral/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20972850/prince-william-angry-prince-harry-spare/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20973530/prince-harry-spare-security-andrew/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20973041/prince-harry-vulgar-book-petronella-wyatt/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20974673/prince-harry-brainwashed-therapy-says-prince-william-spare/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20973734/prince-harry-ditch-memoir-platinum-jubilee/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20973840/prince-harry-omid-scobie-book/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20973928/thomas-markle-will-not-read-harry-memoir/
Good for Meghan?s dad!!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20969163/prince-harry-cried-once-princess-diana-death-interview/

Another. FACT FACT in his autobiography written by him is that HE AND MEGAN released a statement saying THEY were headed to Balmoral during the Qs last hours or her passing.
THEYwere cut off immediately by Charles and Buck Palace via a public statement to counter Sussex statement.

I blame Charles and William. Yes, I blame them for Harry ,lol, up to a point. They have to stop coddling this oversized monster man- child.
Hindsight, but Henry , yes needed to be informed, of Qs last or her passing, but HE DID NIT NEED TO GO TO BALMORAL. When he was informed, he should have also been informed that HRH, QEs children were with her , Duchess of Wessex because of their 30 plus long very close relationship, and William. No other grandchildren.
Henry did not need to be there. Why, how was he given this special HONKRafter all the heartache, public ridicule, headaches, and undoing of QEs 70 years at home and in The Commonwealth?

Peter Phillips, as QEs eldest and first grandchild should have been oresent. William because of his position in the family .
QE had many grandchildren all loved and special by her.
8 grandchildren. They all 8 could not and did not need to be there.

Zara and the York girls did well with their lives.
Wessex children if EdSophie are still very young.

AGSIN, DUE TO HENRY, RANK, BRING CHARLES SON, HE WAS GRANTED THIS SPECIAL HONOR, and the gall to THEY were going meaning him and his wife.
? Don?t ever talk about my wife like that AGAIN.?  Uhhhhhoooooohhhhhhh Charles is good and English polite because here in America, anybody else would have said on second thought , please do not . This is a difficult time. Do not come here. Charles - click. Phone hang up that dummy.

Quote from: FanDianaFancy on January 08, 2023, 05:49:55 PM
Another. FACT FACT in his autobiography written by him is that HE AND MEGAN released a statement saying THEY were headed to Balmoral during the Qs last hours or her passing.
THEYwere cut off immediately by Charles and Buck Palace via a public statement to counter Sussex statement.

I blame Charles and William. Yes, I blame them for Harry ,lol, up to a point. They have to stop coddling this oversized monster man- child.
Hindsight, but Henry , yes needed to be informed, of Qs last or her passing, but HE DID NIT NEED TO GO TO BALMORAL. When he was informed, he should have also been informed that HRH, QEs children were with her , Duchess of Wessex because of their 30 plus long very close relationship, and William. No other grandchildren.
Henry did not need to be there. Why, how was he given this special HONKRafter all the heartache, public ridicule, headaches, and undoing of QEs 70 years at home and in The Commonwealth?

Peter Phillips, as QEs eldest and first grandchild should have been oresent. William because of his position in the family .
QE had many grandchildren all loved and special by her.
8 grandchildren. They all 8 could not and did not need to be there.

Zara and the York girls did well with their lives.
Wessex children if EdSophie are still very young.

AGSIN, DUE TO HENRY, RANK, BRING CHARLES SON, HE WAS GRANTED THIS SPECIAL HONOR, and the gall to THEY were going meaning him and his wife.
? Don?t ever talk about my wife like that AGAIN.?  Uhhhhhoooooohhhhhhh Charles is good and English polite because here in America, anybody else would have said on second thought , please do not . This is a difficult time. Do not come here. Charles - click. Phone hang up that dummy.

You?re right about that but Peter is first grandchild of late Queen Elizabeth and Duke of Edinburgh he can present at Balmoral

Prince William is heir of the throne he can present anywhere included royal residence expect Balmoral,Sandringham,Windsor Castle,Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace when Queen Elizabeth?s passing

King Charles is good but he cant bring Catherine and kids plus Meghan to Balmoral till after Queen Elizabeth?s death but Catherine and Meghan respect Queen Elizabeth?s rules to invite but during Queen Elizabeth?s reign years Queen Elizabeth know who invite on the lists include members of the royal family

Prince Harry likens his family to abusers in Tom Bradby ITV interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612407/Prince-Harry-tells-Tom-Bradby-Royal-Family-shown-no-willingness-reconcile.html)

Harry and Meghan's 25-page rebuttal of bullying claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611717/Harry-Meghans-25-page-rebuttal-bullying-claims-Prince-rails-against-royal-staff-lies.html)

Harry thought of Kate as 'sister he never had' but accuses the Royal family of 'stereotyping' Meghan | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612701/Harry-thought-Kate-sister-never-accuses-Royal-family-stereotyping-Meghan.html)

Prince Harry shows anger and resentment during ITV interview, body language expert reveals  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612505/Harry-guarded-ITV-chat-political-interview-body-language-expert-reveals.html)

Spare: 'Weird' detail in Prince Harry's account of Charles marrying Camilla | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11612429/Spare-Weird-Prince-Harrys-account-Charles-marrying-Camilla.html)

Prince Harry: 'I see a lack of scrutiny to my family towards a lot of things' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612741/Prince-Harry-lack-scrutiny-family-lot-things.html)

Mystery of woman in field romp deepens as Prince Harry's old flames deny they took his virginity  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612761/Mystery-woman-field-romp-deepens-Prince-Harrys-old-flames-deny-took-virginity.html)

Prince Harry opens up on walking with Prince William behind Princess Diana's coffin | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612431/Prince-Harry-says-no-way-left-brother-walk-Dianas-coffin-alone.html)

Prince Harry 'cried once' over Diana's death: Duke reveals he broke down in tears at mother's burial | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611395/Prince-Harry-cried-Dianas-death-Duke-reveals-broke-tears-mothers-burial.html)

He is 'dignified and unbelievable loyal' say friends of Prince William | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11611525/He-dignified-unbelievable-loyal-say-friends-Prince-William.html)

Prince Harry becomes first royal to publicly address Prince Andrew's links to Jeffrey Epstein | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612883/Prince-Harry-royal-publicly-address-Prince-Andrews-links-Jeffrey-Epstein.html)

Harry thought of Kate as 'sister he never had' but accuses the Royal family of 'stereotyping' Meghan | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612701/Harry-thought-Kate-sister-never-accuses-Royal-family-stereotyping-Meghan.html)

Meghan risks alienating the US public, claims foreign policy expert | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11611747/Meghan-risks-alienating-public-claims-foreign-policy-expert.html)

Prince Harry Says He Has No Intention of Harming or Hurting Royal Family (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-no-intention-harming-hurting-royal-family-book-spare/)

Prince Harry Says Prince William Didn't Dissuade Him from Marrying Meghan Markle (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-prince-william-didnt-dissuade-him-marrying-meghan-markle-aired-concerns/)

Prince Harry Asked to See Photos of Princess Diana Car Crash (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-asked-see-photos-princess-diana-car-crash/)

Prince Harry defends Lady Susan Hussey: Meghan Markle 'loves her' | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230108161236/prince-harry-defends-lady-susan-hussey-meghan-markle-loves-her/)

Prince Harry says royal family is NOT racist despite comment about Archie's skin | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230108161238/prince-harry-says-royal-family-is-not-racist/)

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64205474

Prince Harry accuses 'certain' Royal Family members of 'getting in bed with the devil' as TV interview airs | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-accuses-royal-family-members-of-getting-in-bed-with-the-devil-as-tv-interview-airs-12782524)

Prince Harry 'unable to show any emotion' in days after Diana's death - as reason William has kept quiet over book explained | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-unable-to-show-any-emotion-in-days-after-dianas-death-as-reason-william-has-kept-quiet-over-book-explained-12781620)

Prince Harry defends tell-all memoir in furious ITV interview | Prince Harry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/08/prince-harry-defends-tell-all-memoir-in-furious-itv-interview)

Harry says it 'did not need to be this way' after 'years trying to get through to family' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718559/Prince-harry-itv-interview-spare-years-trying-royal-family-latest)

ITV viewers 'shaking with rage' as they 'switch off' Prince Harry's interview | TV & Radio | Showbiz & TV | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1718560/ITV-switch-off-Prince-Harry-interview)

Prince William and Kate did not get on with ?successful? Meghan 'from the get go' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718568/Prince-Harry-ITV-interview-william-kate-did-not-get-on-spare-latest)

Prince Harry says family members 'jumped in bed with the devil' to leak stories to press | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718566/prince-harry-itv-interview-tom-bradby-royal-family-press-leaks-dxus)

Prince Harry 'insisted on seeing pictures' of Diana dying in back of car after crash | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718565/Prince-Harry-princess-diana-dying-car-itv)

Prince Harry lays bare why he chose to tell his story now in latest interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718564/prince-harry-tom-bradby-interview-itv-spare-autobiography-royal-family-ont)

'He went there': Harry's anger at William for using secret three word code | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718577/Prince-Harry-itv-interview-william-secret-three-word-code)

Prince Harry doesn?t think Charles or William will read his book - but he hopes they do | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718576/prince-harry-king-charles-prince-william-spare-memoir-itv)
King Charles and Prince William will not comment about their books on Harry?s memoir not without permission from Buckingham and Kensington Palace nor Palace attorney or Sussex?s lawyer but Prince William said this book will straighten to book store on the shelves period!!

Prince Harry physically recoils after ?scathing? accusation about Queen Consort Camilla | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718579/prince-harry-queen-consort-camilla-itv-tom-bradby-interview-latest-news-ont)

Harry hits out at Royal Family over Kate and Meghan's bridesmaid row ? ?Ask them!? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718578/harry-interview-tom-bradby-kate-meghan-bridesmaid-row-royal-ont)

Archie and Lilibet remind Harry of relationship with William as they 'need their space' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718574/Archie-Lilibet-Prince-Harry-itv-interview-spare-william-need-space)

GB News sparks uproar as Angela Levin claims Prince Harry is 'very ill' | TV & Radio | Showbiz & TV | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1718525/GB-News-uproar-Angela-Levin-Prince-Harry-ill)

Tom Bradby needed ?long lie down? after reading Harry?s ?lightning strike? book on Royals | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718569/tom-bradby-long-lie-down-prince-harry-memoir-spare-royals-ont)

Prince William and Kate did not get on with ?successful? Meghan 'from the get go' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718568/Prince-Harry-ITV-interview-william-kate-did-not-get-on-spare-latest)

Prince Harry says family members 'jumped in bed with the devil' to leak stories to press | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718566/prince-harry-itv-interview-tom-bradby-royal-family-press-leaks-dxus)

Prince Harry lays bare why he chose to tell his story now in latest interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718564/prince-harry-tom-bradby-interview-itv-spare-autobiography-royal-family-ont)

Harry dismisses royal mantra as he shares ?there was a lot of complaining and explaining? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718562/harry-prince-duke-sussex-itv-tom-bradby-megxit-memoir-spare-interview-latest-news-not)

Harry says it 'did not need to be this way' after 'years trying to get through to family' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718559/Prince-harry-itv-interview-spare-years-trying-royal-family-latest)

Prince Harry labels Prince Andrew's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein a 'shameful scandal' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718552/prince-harry-prince-andrew-security-jeffrey-epstein-spare-book-dxus)

'Absolutely no way' Harry and Meghan can regain UK support as Sussexes turn to US audience | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718530/prince-harry-meghan-markle-UK-support-richard-fitzwilliams-spare-memoir-latest)

Prince Harry news: Queen would be ?heartbroken? by Harry's claims, says Widdecombe | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718527/prince-harry-news-queen-elizabeth-meghan-markle-king-charles-prince-william-royal)

Harry blasted as released date of bombshell book to loom over Kate's big day | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718517/prince-harry-memoir-spare-kate-middleton-princess-of-wales-birthday-latest)

Prince Harry compared flying helicopters in Afghanistan to 'playing PlayStation' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718516/prince-harry-flying-helicopters-afghanistan-playstation-spare)

Prince Harry warned he has hurt King Charles ?terribly? and 'will be booed' at coronation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718513/prince-harry-news-king-charles-prince-william-royal-family-spare-itv-meghan-markle)

Prince Harry's claim Wills and Kate involved in Nazi outfit branded 'bull****' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718505/prince-harry-news-Nazi-uniform-prince-william-kate-middleton-spare-latest)

Harry and Meghan told they are 'most unpopular couple in modern British monarchy history' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718477/prince-harry-meghan-markle-popularity-royal-family-spare-book-memoir)

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-01-08/harrys-first-interview-about-controversial-memoir-airs-on-itv

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-01-08/prince-harry-denies-he-and-meghan-said-the-royal-family-was-racist

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-01-08/harry-condemns-royals-deafening-silence-on-jeremy-clarksons-meghan-article

Prince Harry accuses Kate and William of 'stereotyping' Meghan Markle and causing 'barrier' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-accuses-kate-william-28904395)

Prince Harry claims he received 'really horrible reaction' from royals on day Queen died - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-claims-received-really-28904655)

Prince Harry says he and Meghan did NOT accuse royals of racism in Oprah interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-says-not-accuse-royals-28904496)

Prince Harry brands Jeremy Clarkson?s vile Meghan remarks ?horrific and cruel? - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-brands-jeremy-clarksons-28904498)

Prince Harry 'stopped cold' when William used three-word secret code during funeral row - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-stopped-cold-william-28904417)

Harry defends royal aide who quit over race row - and says 'she's great, we love her' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-meghan-back-royal-aide-28904708)

Piers Morgan breaks Twitter silence with crude Prince Harry tweet - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/piers-morgan-breaks-twitter-silence-28904958)

Prince Harry leaves ITV's Tom Bradby cringing over awkward 'virginity' question - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-leaves-itvs-tom-28904407)

Harry's memoir triggers protests in Afghanistan over claim he killed 25 Taliban fighters - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harrys-memoir-triggers-protests-afghanistan-28904517)

Prince Harry recalls seeing Diana in his dreams and calling out 'mummy is that you?' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-recalls-seeing-diana-28904702)

What broke Prince Harry and Kate Middleton - 'arguments, broadsides and betrayal' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/what-broke-prince-harry-kate-28876466)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-likens-royal-family-28904945

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-hits-back-told-28904438

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-branded-insensitive-saying-28904764
Harry says he leave UK for good but he don?t want Archie and Lilibet living in UK due paparazzi and media i understand Harry?s claims

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-doesnt-recognise-charles-william-28904769

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20980116/harry-denies-royal-family-racist/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20979617/prince-harry-rehab-visit-cocaine-ketamine/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20978914/prince-harry-bombshell-itv-interview-royals/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20980553/harry-william-kate-never-fab-four/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20980458/prince-william-cannot-bite-harry-claims/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20980636/prince-harry-dont-recognise-family/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20980449/harry-blame-british-press-meghan/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20980116/harry-denies-royal-family-racist/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20980316/harry-trauma-royal-family-dysfunctional/

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Prince Harry launches blistering attack on Camilla, branding her 'dangerous' in 60 Minutes interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612721/Prince-Harry-launches-blistering-attack-Camilla-branding-dangerous-60-Minutes-interview.html)

ROBERT HARDMAN: To quote our late Majesty... recollections may vary | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11612825/ROBERT-HARDMAN-quote-late-Majesty-recollections-vary.html)

Prince Harry's squabbles over parking spots in his palace flat  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612893/Prince-Harrys-squabbles-parking-spots-palace-flat.html)

Harry accused of turning Royal Family 'into episode of the Kardashians' as social media explodes | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612881/Harry-accused-turning-Royal-Family-episode-Kardashians-social-media-explodes.html)

RICHARD KAY: Why I'm certain Princess Diana would have been appalled at Prince Harry's grievances  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11612971/RICHARD-KAY-Im-certain-Princess-Diana-appalled-Prince-Harrys-grievances.html)

Prince Harry's private secretary showed him pictures of Diana in her car crash after he wanted proof | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612911/Prince-Harrys-private-secretary-showed-pictures-Diana-car-crash-wanted-proof.html)

Prince Harry says he and William used to SHOOT each other with BB guns as children | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612917/Prince-Harry-says-William-used-SHOOT-BB-guns-children.html)

Harry denies the Royal family are racist but again repeats relative asked about Archie's skin colour | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612813/Harry-denies-Royal-family-racist-repeats-relative-asked-Archies-skin-colour.html)

Prince Harry modestly declares his Spare memoir is 'essential for historical fact' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612977/Prince-Harry-modestly-declares-Spare-memoir-essential-historical-fact.html)

Prince Harry's old pals may break their silence over book revelations after years of loyalty  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612849/Prince-Harrys-old-pals-break-silence-book-revelations-years-loyalty.html)

Prince Harry accuses Jeremy Clarkson of inciting violence towards women over column about Meghan | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613109/Prince-Harry-accuses-Jeremy-Clarkson-inciting-violence-women-column-Meghan.html)

Prince Harry's book reaches some British customers days ahead of release date | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613117/Prince-Harrys-book-reaches-British-customers-days-ahead-release-date.html)

If my claims against Mail are false they will sue me, says Prince Harry  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613103/If-claims-against-Mail-false-sue-says-Prince-Harry.html)

Prince Harry Details Nasty Fight with Prince William Over Meghan Markle (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-details-nasty-fight-prince-william-over-meghan-markle-coming-for-my-wife/)

Anderson Cooper Asks Prince Harry Why He Hasn't Renounced Royal Title (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-titles-anderson-cooper-60-minutes-spare-book/)

Prince Harry Wasn't Invited on Family Flight When Queen Elizabeth Died (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-not-invited-flight-royal-family-scotland-queen-elizabeth-death/)

Prince Harry Hasn't Spoken with Prince William, King Charles in a While (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-not-speaking-prince-william-king-charles/)

Prince Harry Says Press Pitted Meghan Markle Against Kate Middleton (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-says-press-pitted-meghan-markle-vs-kate-middleton/)

Prince Harry makes shock revelation about experience with psychedelics | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230109161253/prince-harry-shock-revelation-experience-psychedelics-60-minutes/)

Harry finally admits Royal Family is not racist labelling Archie comment as 'troubling' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718585/prince-harry-spare-itv-tom-bradby-archie-racist-comment-royal-family)

Camilla 'dangerous' and showed 'willingness' to trade stories with press, claims Harry | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718597/camilla-prince-harry-anderson-cooper-60-minutes-king-charles-dxus)

Prince Harry claims William argued about wedding beard for A WEEK and ordered him to shave | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718589/prince-harry-prince-william-meghan-markle-beard-tom-bradby-itv-interview-royal-family-ont)

Prince Harry ?lost a lot of memories? after loss of mother Diana in ?defence mechanism? | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718581/prince-harry-princess-diana-loss-of-memories-itv-interview-latest-royal-news-ont)

Thanks @sara8150  for all the  links in one place and articles,  lol, far too many to read. I pick and choose.
One that. chose Harry is now saying BRF is not racist.
Too much to say too late now.
Snooze. silent. no one is listening or reading that because he and Meg said to the world, implying , that BRF was racist in Oprah interview and other times since Jan 2020.
Words from their own lips. So the story was and reporters worldwide ran with it.
Talking heads on talk tv shows ran with it,

Prince Harry hints he and Meghan Markle will NEVER give up their royal titles | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11613427/Prince-Harry-hints-Meghan-Markle-NEVER-royal-titles.html)

Prince Harry claims he has 'never intended to hurt his family' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613495/Prince-Harry-claims-never-intended-hurt-family.html)

Harry says Prince William believed their mother Princess Diana was ALIVE for years | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613399/Harry-says-Prince-William-believed-mother-Princess-Diana-ALIVE-years.html)

Prince Harry used to watch videos of his mother Princess Diana to try and cry | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613235/Prince-Harry-used-watch-videos-mother-Princess-Diana-try-cry.html)

Prince Harry says he was 'not invited' on plane that royals took to Balmoral for Queen's death | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11613283/Prince-Harry-says-not-invited-plane-royals-took-Balmoral-Queens-death.html)

Prince William will NOT speak out about Harry's allegations against him in his incendiary memoir  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613357/Prince-William-NOT-speak-Harrys-allegations-against-incendiary-memoir.html)
WOW!! William will not speak on Harry?s book!! But its very private

Royal family were 'horrible' to him on the day the Queen died, Harry claims | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613111/Royal-family-horrible-day-Queen-died-Harry-claims.html)

Prince Harry likens his family to abusers in Tom Bradby ITV interview | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612407/Prince-Harry-tells-Tom-Bradby-Royal-Family-shown-no-willingness-reconcile.html)

HARRY INTERVIEWS RECAP: All the bombshells revealed from Duke's explosive interviews | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11612221/HARRY-INTERVIEW-LIVE-Royal-family-braced-latest-truth-bombs-ITV-airs-interview-TONIGHT.html)

DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Prince Harry's revenge game will harm Invictus  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11613257/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Prince-Harrys-revenge-game-harm-Invictus.html)

Prince Harry on 60 Minutes - biggest moments from CBS interview | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230109161151/prince-harry-cbs-60-minutes-interview-biggest-revelations/)

Prince Harry reveals the last time he spoke to Prince William and King Charles | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230109161254/prince-harry-reveals-last-time-spoke-prince-william-king-charles/)

Prince Harry asked why he and Meghan haven't renounced their Sussex titles 'Why not?' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718601/prince-harry-interview-60-minutes-anderson-cooper-titles-latest-royal-news-ont)

Piers Morgan takes aim at Prince Harry for being the 'unhappiest happy man' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718598/piers-morgan-prince-harry-twitter-itv-interview-latest-royal-family-news-ont)

Prince Harry slammed as 'paranoid' and 'unhinged' by Nile Gardiner following US interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718608/prince-harry-nile-gardiner-interview-cbs-anderson-cooper-royal-family-ont)

Prince Harry says he and William wanted to reopen Diana's inquest: 'So many holes in it' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718603/prince-harry-prince-William-reopen-diana-inquest-royal-ont)

Prince William 'hurt' Harry by rejecting him at school: 'I took it personally' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718599/prince-William-hurt-harry-by-rejecting-him-at-school-interview-cbs-ont)

Prince Harry says he and Meghan did NOT accuse royals of racism in Oprah interview - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-says-not-accuse-royals-28904496)

Prince Harry's x-rated reaction to Meghan's discovery after 'nasty' fight with William - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harrys-x-rated-reaction-28905379)

Harry 'doesn't recognise' Charles and William anymore but 'would like to get them back' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-doesnt-recognise-charles-william-28904769)

Prince Harry saw harrowing photos of Princess Diana 'slumped on the back seat' in crash - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-saw-harrowing-photos-28905301)

Piers Morgan slams 'family-trashing halfwit' Harry who 'exploited personal secrets' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/piers-morgan-slams-family-trashing-28905498)

Young Prince Harry watched videos of Diana to try to learn how to cry - but couldn't - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/young-prince-harry-watched-videos-28905302)

Prince Harry echoes Diana's famous comment about Charles and Camilla's affair - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-harry-echoes-dianas-famous-28905213)

12 bombshells from Harry's ITV and CBS interviews - attack on Kate and bizarre beard row - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/9-bombshells-prince-harrys-itv-28904838)

Prince Harry fans baffled he had to get permission from the Queen to keep his beard - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-fans-baffled-permission-28904855)

Prince Harry blasts Queen Camilla as 'dangerous villain' and calls her 'other woman' in scathing attack on 60 Minutes | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20981022/prince-harry-second-tv-interview/)

Prince Harry reveals he was 'happy' for Queen as she lay on her deathbed because she?d be reunited with Prince Philip | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20981096/prince-harry-happy-for-queen-deathbed/)

Prince Harry says Charles wasn't made to be a single dad and hits back at claims of his 'scathing' attacks on Camilla | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20979360/prince-harry-charles-dad-camilla/)

Royal fans all say the same thing about Prince Harry's bombshell interview as viewers blast 'he's getting an easy ride' | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20980882/royal-fans-same-thing-prince-harrys-interview-easy-ride/)

Therapy stopped me from hitting William during fight, reveals Prince Harry | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20980209/therapy-hitting-william-fight-harry/)

Sad Prince Harry has faced a lot of trauma - the Royal Family is as dysfunctional as any other | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20980316/harry-trauma-royal-family-dysfunctional/)

Prince Harry loses our sympathy in his refusal to acknowledge personal responsibility for his mistakes | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20980215/petronella-wyatt-prince-harry-loses-sympathy-itv-interview/)

And now we are all looking at the path Harry/Meghan will be taking for the rest of their lives, anything and everything to take down the royal family as they want an apology/response and yet they know it will never be...just what else do they have to offer anyone in the way of helping those that need it.  Personally, I think they could care less about anyone who needs help, they are after the very rich and famous so that they can become just like that.  Hollywood here they come yet it seems like Hollywood does not want them either....wonder why?  TRUST, nobody in their right mind will ever *Trust* them again as they have proven that to the entire world.

So sit back and keep watching how they will continue to bad mouth the royal family and try to put themselves out there when any senior is working at an event  to defect to the attention on to them.

Well Charles, your son went after Camilla, now are you strong enough to deal with that and say NO to him finally?   

At this rate nobody will have to buy the book :teehee:

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Harry finally admits Royal Family is not racist labelling Archie comment as 'troubling' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718585/prince-harry-spare-itv-tom-bradby-archie-racist-comment-royal-family)

Camilla 'dangerous' and showed 'willingness' to trade stories with press, claims Harry | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1718597/camilla-prince-harry-anderson-cooper-60-minutes-king-charles-dxus)

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I think he has read Camilla all wrong. Of course, I am not privy to things she says and does behind closed doors, but she just doesn't seem to be her MO to make deals with the press. I suspect he is painting her with his own brush.

There should be consequences for what Harry and Meghan have done, people just do not go around and try to destroy another be it family or friend just because someone did not get their own way in life.  All Harry's life someone else has cleaned up after him, he has suffered no consequences for any of his behavior and he still thinks to this day he can get away with doing anything he wants regardless of who it hurts or who suffers from his decisions. 

That old saying I keep framed at my front door.....*When we are young dumb and foolish, all our actions, choices and decisions will come back to haunt us where we are older and wise*, someday Harry and Meghan will suffer deeply for that they have done, I firmly believe as did my sister that what we put out to the world will come back to us 100 times over.....be it good or bad.   I just pray the royal family is strong enough to survive this and shuts that darn door on them for good now.

Quote from: Princess Cassandra on January 09, 2023, 05:46:22 AM
I think he has read Camilla all wrong. Of course, I am not privy to things she says and does behind closed doors, but she just doesn't seem to be her MO to make deals with the press. I suspect he is painting her with his own brush.

Well, Camilla may not have ?made deals? with the Press but she certainly kept in regular touch with the editor of the Sun tabloid in the very early years of the Charles-Diana marriage, because he admitted as much years later.

He would ring her, discuss certain stories and gossip about the couple and what she believed about it from her knowledge of Charles and his set, and if she stated that she believed so and so info was correct then he would go ahead and print it. This is a very young woman Camilla was reporting on to a tabloid editor, a young woman who had no suspicion that anything of that sort  was going on. Camilla was prepared to go behind Diana?s back to give that tabloid editor information, so who knows what else she has done in that area.

And then there was Mark Bolland, who was brought in at the beginning by Charles and Camilla to whatewash her image and rehabilitate them both. It was both of them who were 100% behind Borland?s campaign to do just that. The campaign partly succeeded but not quite, as Camilla still isn?t a hugely popular royal even today.

Camilla Sums Up Everything That's Wrong With the Royal Family | Opinion (https://www.newsweek.com/camilla-sums-everything-wrong-royal-family-1725050)

Sorry, forgot to put in the Sun editor?s name. Stuart Higgins. Several years later he invited Diana to lunch and Diana, who knew all about it by this time teased him. ?I hear you are a friend of Camilla?s??

Harry knows Camilla is an easy target, because after suffering abuse for decades and 'not complaining' about it.  She's not going to start now.

*****
Harry's illness of 'back and forth' statements with Racism and the Commonwealth has opened a lot of eyes, especially to non royal watchers, IOW people who only watched Oprah, Netflix and Spare Interview. 

Racist, Structural Racist, Not Racist
Empire 2.0, I'd work with the Commonwealth if Dad asks.
We offered the titles back, absolutely not returning the titles

Save the children ASAP. 

Security analysts weigh in on Prince Harry's admission to killing 25 Taliban fighters and that statement's impact on security for the Sussexes, the United Kingdom and even The Commonwealth.

Harry and Meghan: Who Shall Separate Us? - National Security News (https://nationalsecuritynews.com/2023/01/harry-and-meghan-who-shall-separate-us/)

QuoteIt is also a global multi-media blitz that is now squarely puttinga target on the back of every member of the Royal Family, including that of Harry and his own immediate family. Harry?s self-aggrandizing admission that he killed 25 Taliban fighters is already prompting Islamic jihadists to post death threats on Twitter and other social media. Further, Harry?s rationalization that the number of fighters he killed is ?not a number that fills me with satisfaction, but nor does it embarrass me? demonstrates complete lack of self-awareness.

By referring to the number of Taliban fighters killed as if they were the day?s total of a stag or pheasant hunt at Balmoral in Scotland, Harry compounded the threat of bodily harm he and his family are now facing by also inhumanely referring to Taliban deaths as though he was eliminating ?chess pieces? from a match.

Harry, inexplicably, failed to consider that chess boards field Kings, Queens, and Knights as well and not just Taliban pawns. He of all people, himself a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order himself, knew better, especially since his own father?s close mentor, Lord Louis Mountbatten was assassinatedby the Irish Republican Army in his fishing boat off the Mullaghmore Peninsula in northwestern Ireland. Mountbatten along with his 14-year-old grandson Nicholas Brabourne and 15-year-old crew member Paul Maxwell were killed. 

Sobering. Lots to think about.

Quote from: Curryong on January 09, 2023, 08:47:58 AM
Well, Camilla may not have ?made deals? with the Press but she certainly kept in regular touch with the editor of the Sun tabloid in the very early years of the Charles-Diana marriage, because he admitted as much years later.

He would ring her, discuss certain stories and gossip about the couple and what she believed about it from her knowledge of Charles and his set, and if she stated that she believed so and so info was correct then he would go ahead and print it. This is a very young woman Camilla was reporting on to a tabloid editor, a young woman who had no suspicion that anything of that sort  was going on. Camilla was prepared to go behind Diana?s back to give that tabloid editor information, so who knows what else she has done in that area.

And then there was Mark Bolland, who was brought in at the beginning by Charles and Camilla to whatewash her image and rehabilitate them both. It was both of them who were 100% behind Borland?s campaign to do just that. The campaign partly succeeded but not quite, as Camilla still isn?t a hugely popular royal even today.

Camilla Sums Up Everything That's Wrong With the Royal Family | Opinion (https://www.newsweek.com/camilla-sums-everything-wrong-royal-family-1725050)

Of course this is only my opinion, but they needed the PR to right some wrongs. You and I probably wouldn't agree that there were lies and unfair allegations about her, but rather than argue about it I always try to remember that there are many points of view and none of us really know. I suspect Camilla would agree. One thing is for sure; reading that article I can tell that the writer bought all the old negative stuff written about her.

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I?m so stunned about that!!

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https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/prince-harry-opens-rift-royal-family-return-royal-96242779

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/prince-harry-huge-amount-compassion-queen-camilla-96242079

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/prince-harry-speaks-memoir-spare-interview-michael-strahan-96200971

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/video/prince-harry-opens-become-working-royal-96304728

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/video/prince-harry-reflects-princess-diana-feel-rift-sons-96251955

As I?m in Australia and it?s now the morning of the 10th of Jan I received my pre-ordered copy of ?Spare? on my Kindle at about 1 AM. Yippee!

I was too tired to read much of it earlier, but am going to take my time wending my way through it today. I?ve already read about Harry?s meeting with his father and brother after Prince Philip?s funeral and about Harry?s Ludgrove schooldays.

I have to say I commend the beautiful writing of Harry?s ghostwriter. Now to get stuck into the nitty gritty without the benefit of bad translations from Spanish or the distorted lens of the cherry picking British media.

For what it?s worth the book is also in the UK.

While we're waiting for our own @Curryong and other members to read Spare and come to their own conclusions, here's the reviews from The Times, The Daily Telegraph and The Guardian.

https://archive.vn/tVt0c

https://archive.vn/An9TT

Spare by Prince Harry review ? a flawed attempt to reclaim the narrative | Autobiography and memoir | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/10/spare-prince-harry-review-attempt-reclaim-narrative)

I?ve read those reviews. Thanks for posting. Of all of them I think the Times has some excellent points.

Quote from: wannable on January 10, 2023, 01:14:34 AM
For what it?s worth the book is also in the UK.

It is now I expect. However Melbourne is eleven hours ahead of London. Therefore, when I received Spare on my Kindle in the early hours of this morning the UK didn?t have it. It was embargoed everywhere until after midnight on the 9th Jan (except of course the Spanish didn?t obey orders, lol, to the British media?s glee of course.)

The time difference means ?? that New Zealand gets things like the monarch?s Xmas speech first, then we in Aus do, and it then spreads throughout the Commonwealth. And the UK.

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Sticking to his guns! Harry is protected by armed bodyguards as he heads to The Late Show studio | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11616657/Sticking-guns-Harry-protected-armed-bodyguards-heads-Late-studio.html)
Harry?s interview with Stephen Colbert on Tuesday January 10 at 10:30pm central and 11:30pm east

Royal family have 'no trust left' for Prince Harry after Spare bombshells and TV interviews | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11616807/Royal-family-no-trust-left-Prince-Harry-Spare-bombshells-TV-interviews.html)
King Charles and Queen Camilla,members of the royal family have no comment about Harry?s memoir books it?s private matters,private business and family business not without permission from Buckingham Palace or Kensington Palace not without Palace attorney present kept silent not back to Netflix last December 2022

SARAH VINE: Prince Harry's portrait of Camilla bears no resemblance to the authentic lady I know | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11616725/SARAH-VINE-Prince-Harrys-portrait-Camilla-bears-no-resemblance-authentic-lady-know.html)

DAN WOOTTON: I've had enough of Harry's deranged campaign against media 'devils' and the royals | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11615097/DAN-WOOTTON-Ive-Harrys-deranged-campaign-against-media-devils-royals.html)

Harry told Meghan not to have picture taken at Taj Mahal, where Diana had famous snap | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11617027/Harry-I-told-Meghan-not-photo-Taj-Mahal.html)
I can?t believe Harry says NO but William and Catherine DID take pictures but Harry and Meghan didn?t get pictures

STEPHEN GLOVER: If Prince Harry wants to ban the Press, he'll have to ban himself | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11616659/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Prince-Harry-wants-ban-Press-hell-ban-himself.html)

The Cut brands Prince Harry's memoir Spare 'chaotic' in scathing post | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11616007/The-Cut-brands-Prince-Harrys-memoir-Spare-chaotic-unhinged-editing-caption.html)

Harry says Paul Burrell 'milking' his mother Diana's death for money 'made his blood boil' in memoir | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11617131/Harry-says-Paul-Burrell-milking-mother-Dianas-death-money-blood-boil-memoir.html)

Prince Harry said he STILL smoked drugs at 36 and would roll a joint while Archie and Meghan slept  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11617283/Prince-Harry-said-smoked-drugs-36-roll-joint-Archie-Meghan-slept.html)

DAILY MAIL COMMENT: This assault on Camilla shames Prince Harry | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11616881/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-assault-Camilla-shames-Prince-Harry.html)

Prince Harry should ditch his royal titles and use the name 'Mr Windsor' instead, Tory MP says  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11617061/Prince-Harry-ditch-royal-titles-use-Mr-Windsor-instead-Tory-MP-says.html)

Prince Harry's memoir Spare FINALLY goes on sale at midnight in the UK | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11616833/Prince-Harrys-memoir-Spare-FINALLY-goes-sale-midnight-UK.html)

Prince Harry's TV Interviews: Palace Responses to Request for Comments (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-tv-interviews-palace-response-spare-book/)
King Charles and Queen Camilla,members of the royal family have no comment about Harry?s memoir books it?s private matters,private business and family business not without permission from Buckingham Palace or Kensington Palace not without Palace attorney present kept silent not back to Netflix last December 2022

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64213852

Prince Harry 'stunned' when royals allowed his security to be removed - and says Queen 'sad but not surprised' when they stepped back | UK News | Sky (https://news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-stunned-when-royals-allowed-his-security-to-be-removed-and-says-queen-sad-but-not-surprised-when-they-stepped-back-12783192)

Prince Harry says any return to royal fold would be ?unsurvivable? | Prince Harry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/09/prince-harry-says-any-return-to-royal-fold-would-be-unsurvivable-camilla)

Prince Harry says he does not think Royal Family can have 'peace' unless truth is out | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719101/prince-harry-abc-interview-michael-strahan-spare-autobiography-royal-family-ont)

Queen will be 'turning in her grave' reading Harry's memoir as Duke branded 'petulant' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719092/Queen-Elizabeth-II-Prince-Harry-Piers-Morgan-Paul-Burrell-Spare-ont)

Prince Harry 'stunned' when Royal Family allowed his personal security to be removed | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719098/prince-harry-security-royal-family-abc-news-dxus)

I waited until midnight to buy three copies of Prince Harry's book - I felt privileged to be first in line | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20992382/waited-midnight-prince-harry-book-first-in-line/)

Prince Harry says Diana would be heartbroken at William for breaking brotherly pact ? but admits he IS partly to blame | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20983910/prince-harry-unleashes-more-bombshells-interview/)

To think that as I read elsewhere that Meghan had the book launched today of all day's, it is Catherine's Birthday, what a ..can't say it here!   At least the royal family has manners, knows graciousness, kindness, compassion are about, seems Harry and Meghan know nothing about the finer things in life like manners, kindness, compassion or being nice to those that have been born with body difficulties in life.  Guess Meghan's mother did not teach her child to be a nice person or to tell the truth either.  And somewhere along the line Harry got lost and did not learn graciousness in his life for making fun of that woman in his school was showing how despicable he has become, wonder what he will teach his children, maybe to be as mean and hateful and ugly as he is.  Won't that really shock him if at some point in time his children tuned on him with what he did to William.  Turn about fair play Harry!  I hope in time nightmares really haunts him and he suffers the depths of hell for what he has done to his family all in the name of Meghan and Money!

Kate?s birthday is on the ninth of Jan. The book was embargoed until the tenth of Jan, which is not Kate?s birthday.

It is Harry?s book, not Meghan?s, and neither Harry nor Meghan chose the day. It is book publishers that choose when to launch books, not authors and they choose times and dates at their own convenience.

It would be a matter of no consequence at all to the executives at Random House US as to whether Kate?s birthday was today, next week, next months or whenever. And there is a huge time difference anyway between London and California. Eight hours.

LOL......we all know the book is by Harry yet writing styles do show that Meghan had a huge hand in writing the book or the redraft or whatever, she got her word in the book.  And if you think that she did not have a hand in helping to pick the date, well, I have the Girls Tiara right here to sell you real cheap at that.  Nothing and Meghan has shown her life that, NOTHING gets past her in life when it effects her.  This is one very intelligent manipulative person, she tracks everything in her life and as we all know keeps diaries  to use later in life on those that go against her.  I would not be surprised if she is keeping track of events regarding the Book and Harry's behavior to use at some point in her life. I am one that would never put anything passed her, like never turn your back when it comes of Meghan ever and I have said that elsewhere  also.   

Publishing Houses choose the dates for their publications. They don?t take author?s preferences into account. The book was ghost written but not by Meghan. She would have given her reminiscences of several events and that would be it. I?ve never heard of any large and prestigious publishing House catering to clients? demands, or that of their wives. And the 10th of Jan is not Kate?s birthday anyway.

Okay, I am going to throw something out here as I would like some advice or your opinion on it, I was chatting away with some people and someone mentioned that there is something we are missing in Harry's behavior, so many people agree something is definitely wrong with him and how he is handling his life.  He is out of control and it is not all about angry or rage with his family or money...so what is it?  Well a news alert about the Colbert show with Harry tomorrow shows Harry drinking shots of tequila, one after another...does Harry have a drinking and drug problem now I ask?  All the drugs he *used* to take and on top of alcohol still have some affect on his brain that makes him out of control?  Something isn't right with him so some people are asking what is wrong with Harry?   

Harry had two tequila shots in front of him, not dozens. Those questioning Harry?s sobriety on the strength of that ought to have been beside me when I attended a family party and a neighbour?s gathering on New Years Eve. Plenty of drinking going on there and nobody was a druggie or an alcoholic.

People are way too swift in diagnosing others to be suffering from this mental illness, that condition or the other. It?s a very long bow to draw to say that Harry is suffering from anything. From the clip I saw of the show he seemed happy, relaxed and enjoying himself. As for the Fail, the journalist seemed to be very happy to disclose how much the hotel rates were for Harry per night. Is the journalist envious, bitter, out of control perhaps, lol!

As for how we view it all here in Australia, Federal Govt Minister Bill Shorten called the BRF ?a disfunctional family? who we would be better off without, as Head of State!?

Bill Shorten takes a swipe at the royal Family and calls for Australia to be a republic | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11616291/Bill-Shorten-takes-swipe-Royal-Family-calls-Australia-republic.html)

First of all, pls do not put words in my mouth that I did not say, I did not say *DOZENS* did I? I said one after another, that is *2*.  And I am not talking about Mental Illness either.....or a party you attended nor New Year's Eve.

I just questioned something, I ask for advice that is ALL.  And YES there is something very wrong with Harry as all this acting out is NOT NORMAL for anybody and I am not the only one who sees it.  I have read hundreds of comments all over the internet and so many think something is wrong with Harry as I do.   He has done drugs, he said it HIMSELF and he has done Booze also.......so wondering it the effects are carrying over or is he still drinking more than normal whatever normal drinking is as I don't really know.......me a glass of wine in a year is a lot for me, I can't stand that stuff, it smells bad why drink something that smells bad?  So there and believe me Harry does not look happy at all, in fact he is the most miserable looking Harry I have ever seen....he is LOST emotionally and it shows, he is hurting and it shows and that is ON HIM for he made his bed so sleep in it Harry, and suffer those nightmares that you brought onto yourself.   I am one that will say.....*I don't know everything and will not pretend to know everything like some*.   Only Harry will have to live with Harry and look in that mirror and see Harry and what he has done.....I would never in a zillion years treat anyone the way he has treated his family, just never and he now has to live with that.......oh yes he will suffer karma when she comes calling and she will someday, that is a given in life.                                                                                                     

Bill Shorten supports a Republic because he is reflecting the ex senior working royal Harry to the actual senior working royals (the article).  So by his way of thinking, if he has a family member that is a disgrace, he also should have no business in politics (Bill's logic of ''by association'')

An author may suggest to it's publisher a launching date. It's all over the internet as a 101.

3 years ago when Archie was born, Harry was still a drug addict. He says he emptied the laughing gas cylinder, leaving non for Meghan who was in labor (mixed with oxygen for pain).  Side effects: Hallucination.

Nightowl, to answer your question, again this is all over the internet, 101, a recovering drug addict (or alcoholic) will not take absolutely No alcoholic beverage, 1 or 2 or the entire bottle for the rest of his life.  There is no cure, it is a one day at a time, counting and having ''clean anniversaries'' forever until the person passes away.

Drugs and alcohol addicts: Brain cells die faster, memory loss.

Prince Harry turns family into laughing stock on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11618117/Stephen-Colbert-tells-Late-bring-corgis-colonial-treasures-Prince-Harry-interview.html)

Real Housewives star who had a 'fling' with Prince Harry says 'he needed an older woman' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11617967/Real-Housewives-star-fling-Prince-Harry-says-needed-older-woman.html)

Harry claims he had to reveal his 25 Taliban kills 'for his own healing' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11618807/Harry-claims-reveal-25-Taliban-kills-healing.html)

Harry got a BESPOKE penis cushion for trip to Antarctica | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11618785/Harry-got-BESPOKE-penis-cushion-trip-Antarctica.html)

'Selfish, ungrateful and disingenuous': Judge Judy blasts Prince Harry behavior | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11618465/Selfish-ungrateful-disingenuous-Judge-Judy-blasts-Prince-Harry-behavior.html)

Prince Harry Tells PEOPLE: 'Spare' Is a Raw Account of the 'Good, the Bad and Everything in Between' (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-spare-memoir-raw-account-good-bad-everything-between-interview/)

Prince Harry Wants His Children to Have Relationships with Royal Family (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-wants-archie-lilibet-relationships-royal-family/)

At the Piccadilly Waterstone's, Caroline Lennon, 59, was the only one waiting to buy the book after she walked two miles from Bethnal Green in the East End to queue from 6am.

She said: 'I don't care what anybody says. People will criticise me and say 'what an idiot for liking Harry. What an idiot for queuing up', but I don't care what anyone says.

Ms Lennon posed for photographers as she exited the shop with her copy, saying: 'I'm looking forward to listening to the audiobook straight away.'

The same happened at the Late Show with Stephen Colbert, which usually announces the guests so fans can line up the building entrance, according to the photographers whom daily work at the press pen, not one. 

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Prince Harry?s people magazine cover this Friday

Carla Bruni posts edited photo of Harry and Meghan that replaces the Duchess with Yoko Ono | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11618203/Carla-Bruni-posts-edited-photo-Harry-Meghan-replaces-Duchess-Yoko-Ono.html)

Royal fans stay up all night to read Prince Harry's memoir after it finally went on sale at midnight | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11617903/Royal-fans-stay-night-read-Prince-Harrys-memoir-finally-went-sale-midnight.html)

Prince Harry downs tequila shots as he answers a series of questions on The Late Show | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11617307/Prince-Harry-downs-tequila-shots-answers-series-questions-Late-Show.html)

Camilla 'has been left astounded' by Prince Harry's comments, royal editor claims  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11618085/Camilla-left-astounded-Prince-Harrys-comments-royal-editor-claims.html)

Prince Harry shares intimate details of births of his children | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11615399/Prince-Harry-shares-intimate-details-births-children.html)

Prince Harry Shares His and Meghan Markle's Go-to In-N-Out Burger Order (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-shares-his-meghan-markle-in-n-out-burger-order-spare-memoir-interview/)

Prince Harry and Meghan's planning permission controversy resurfaces with new shock details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/homes/20230110161380/prince-harry-planning-permission-omid-scobie-interview/)

Prince Harry's Megxit memoir Spare creates frenzy as fans flock to buy copies at midnight | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719113/Prince-Harry-Spare-WHSmith-Heathrow-Gatwick-Victoria-Euston-Waterstones-ont)

US Audience turns on Prince Harry in latest book interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719271/prince-harry-duke-sussex-spare-memoir-the-late-show-stephen-colbert-dxus)

Prince Harry spotted leaving The Late Show after downing tequila with Stephen Colbert | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719184/prince-harry-the-late-show-tequila-stephen-colbert-spare-book-launch)

Harry escorted by armed bodyguards as he enters The Late Show studio | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719169/prince-harry-duke-sussex-late-show-studio-armed-bodyguards-new-york-city-royal-family)

Harry says Archie and Lilibet 'were bouncing up and down' ahead of TV interview | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719109/Prince-Harry-Lilibet-Meghan-Markle-ABC-Michael-Strahan-Royal-Family-ont)

Prince Harry responds to claim he 'sold out' his by making money from ?private struggles' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719103/prince-harry-interview-spare-michael-strahan-abc-latest-royal-usa-news-ont)

Queen will be 'turning in her grave' reading Harry's memoir as Duke branded 'petulant' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1719092/Queen-Elizabeth-II-Prince-Harry-Piers-Morgan-Paul-Burrell-Spare-ont)

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2023-01-10/keen-reader-waits-alone-after-walking-two-miles-to-queue-for-harrys-book

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-01-10/harry-says-dianas-ex-butler-made-my-blood-boil-by-releasing-tell-all-book

Judge Judy slams 'selfish' Prince Harry for being 'disingenuous' in furious rant - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/judge-judy-slams-selfish-prince-28914686)

Lorraine Kelly says 'damaged' Prince Harry 'needs to let go' obsession with British press - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/lorraine-kelly-says-damaged-prince-28916105)

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Harry says Diana's butler Paul Burrell 'made my blood boil' after 'milking' mum's death - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/harry-says-dianas-butler-paul-28915750)

Prince Harry downs tequila shots in TV interview as bombshell book hits shelves - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-downs-tequila-shots-28914689)

Prince Harry's book half price already with just one person in Waterstones queue - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harrys-book-slashed-half-28915391)

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Prince Harry blasts Paul Burrell for 'milking' Diana's death for money and says butler's tell-all 'made his blood boil' (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20993688/prince-harry-blasts-paul-burrell/)

Seven of Prince Harry?s most explosive claims and savage attacks on royals from his book revealed as Spare goes on sale | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20992826/seven-of-prince-harrys-most-explosive-claims/)

I revealed my Taliban kill count to heal myself and help others, says Prince Harry | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20894565/prince-harry-taliban-kill-count-heal-help/)

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https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/prince-harry-details-rift-prince-william-spare-back-96304985

Prince Harry?s Memoir, ?Spare,? Captures the Ugly Side of Royal Life (https://www.today.com/popculture/royals/prince-harrys-memoir-spare-captures-ugly-side-royal-life-rcna65033)

Another like from the ghostwriter today London time, feelings expressed right here.

First like I posted last week: me me me (with the original tweet of ''Harry is self absorbed)

Second like: the book launch today is half priced as stores have no queuing for the book. All following comments it will end at a charity shop at GBP1.

There are other verified tweets from shop owners pleading their followers to come to their stores to buy it, one explained that the publisher's methodology was off loading as I explained in a comment last week, offloading is sales, hence #1.  He details, a box containing 12 copies, he purchased 2 boxes because it's by the dozen and had preorders for 18, he wants to finish selling the remaining 6, woke up at 5, opened his store at Swansea, Wales. Population 320,000.

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Greece's Crown Princess Pavlos (Marie Chantal) had a photo on her Instagram story. (It will disappear in 24 hours, so it's a book store front window display featuring copies of Spare and next to those books are another one titled How to Kill Your Family.

That's the Greek Royals sorted then.

The shop (Indie shop) belongs to Berts Books, Swindon, Wiltshire, England (Population in Swindon  224,263, although Bert is willing to export the book to Canada if any of his followers are Canadian)

He is one of the verified twitter accounts I mentioned earlier that is telling his followers to please buy a book from the boxed (12 copy) order he has, which according to him he 24 books to sell/2 boxes.

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TheOpenBookRichmond
@theopenbook2
Independent bookshop in Richmond, since 1987.
10 King Street, Richmond, TW9 1ND.

We  have some copies of Spare if anyone wants one. 

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Store owners or workers are being CREATIVE. That's all.

Clare Grant a window and display decorator at a major supermarket, undisclosed location says she decorated it with a necklace, although she calls it a 'chain'. The chain is a gift if you purchase the book, or if you only want the chain, it's independently for sale.

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Quote from: wannable on January 10, 2023, 12:56:44 PM
Nightowl, to answer your question, again this is all over the internet, 101, a recovering drug addict (or alcoholic) will not take absolutely No alcoholic beverage, 1 or 2 or the entire bottle for the rest of his life.  There is no cure, it is a one day at a time, counting and having ''clean anniversaries'' forever until the person passes away.

Drugs and alcohol addicts: Brain cells die faster, memory loss.

Thank You for that, and it just confirms my and others suspicions that all this acting out and rage is due to a problem with drugs and booze.  As a friend of mine said, Harry does not have to do it in front of anyone, druggies have ways of hiding their addiction ...think I have lots to learn now.

He said in his book not only gassing himself the day of A's  birth 3 years ago, he also rolled a joint whilst M and A were sleeping at Tyler Perry borrowed house 2 years ago. So, he is still or is in the process of private rehab. Usually the 12 step program can take 2 years or more, less than 2 years is not usual because apparently it is very hard to pass each step (by medical exams, blood and urine tests, other tests with blinking and the nerves and such) Each step is harder, but the ''clean'' anniversary dates should start since day 1/step 1 IF not broken.

^ I started learning about addiction with Kate's Action on Addiction (January 2012) to date merged with The Forward Trust (and other addiction charities) which she has retained the position of Royal Patron to The Forward Trust.  And her Uncle Gary's ex issues with drug taking, as he did go to rehab asap he turned violent hand towards his wife, I recall reading it was Rehab or Jail. 

In the book, the Duke of Sussex, 38, recalls the exact moment he was alerted that the late Queen Elizabeth II's mom, Elizabeth the Queen Mother, died in March 2002. Harry claims he was at his posh UK boarding school, Eton, when he learned that she had passed away in her sleep at the age of 101.

^
It is not the ghostwriters job to 'fact check', just be a skilled grammar, writer, technical detailing and communication. It's the publishers fact check assistants job.

^
Queen Mother dies | UK news - The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.com
Mar 31, 2002 Prince Charles, on holiday with his sons, William and Harry, in Switzerland, was last night flying home to be with the rest of the royal family.

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Getty Images of 2002 Prince Harry, official website of Getty Images
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I know some people don't really care about dates and numbers but not getting it right when your grandmother died and the like is odd. When you want to be credible, getting your dates correct is a big deal.

Prince Harry autobiography Spare is fastest-selling non-fiction book ever | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/prince-harry-spare-autobiography-memoir-b2259565.html)

Regardless of how many books are sold, it is still a book of *LIES* and for those that bought the book to support his lifestyle foolish are those that want to waste money on LIES. So have at it people, I have a *real* tiara of HM's to sell you.....it is worth more than a book of lies....LOL and not for one second do I believe all the money from the books will go to a charity ......no way in ....whatever!  Meghan needs her $5 grand dresses Harry. 

Quote from: Nightowl on January 11, 2023, 12:06:00 AM
Regardless of how many books are sold, it is still a book of *LIES* and for those that bought the book to support his lifestyle foolish are those that want to waste money on LIES. So have at it people, I have a *real* tiara of HM's to sell you.....it is worth more than a book of lies....LOL and not for one second do I believe all the money from the books will go to a charity ......no way in ....whatever!  Meghan needs her $5 grand dresses Harry.

Harry has never said that ALL the money from the books will go to charities. Not even any of the RRs have stated that Spare is a book composed of all lies!

And nobody wants any tiaras!!

Quote from: TLLK on January 10, 2023, 02:32:49 PM
Greece's Crown Princess Pavlos (Marie Chantal) had a photo on her Instagram story. (It will disappear in 24 hours, so it's a book store front window display featuring copies of Spare and next to those books are another one titled How to Kill Your Family.

I think Marie Chantal should just be quiet. She has commented on other royal families before and it didn?t go down well, to say the least. And as someone who has never lived within a fully functioning reigning royal family ever,  she doesn?t know what she is talking about.

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 10, 2023, 08:38:23 PM
I know some people don't really care about dates and numbers but not getting it right when your grandmother died and the like is odd. When you want to be credible, getting your dates correct is a big deal.

It was Harry?s great-grandmother, not grandmother, he was seventeen and got memories mixed up. That?s not a crime, especially as Harry didn?t have much to do with her.  He was at Eton a few days before, probably and forgot about the ski trip. The publisher?s checker should have been onto it. .

Quote from: Nightowl on January 10, 2023, 06:31:07 PM
Thank You for that, and it just confirms my and others suspicions that all this acting out and rage is due to a problem with drugs and booze.  As a friend of mine said, Harry does not have to do it in front of anyone, druggies have ways of hiding their addiction ...think I have lots to learn now.

Harry is no drug addict or it would have come out by now. And there were no complaints that he was drunk at royal engagements nor while he was flying helicopters in Afghanistan.

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Quote from: Curryong on January 11, 2023, 12:44:02 AM


I think Marie Chantal should just be quiet. She has commented on other royal families before and it didn?t go down well, to say the least. And as someone who has never lived within a fully functioning reigning royal family ever,  she doesn?t know what she is talking about.

Just to clarify MC is shared a photo from one of the local booksellers' displays.  Sorry if there was some confusion as she herself didn't create the display.  There appears to be a few booksellers that are creating interesting displays pairing Spare with other books.

Quote from: TLLK on January 11, 2023, 01:13:42 AM
Just to clarify MC is shared a photo from one of the local booksellers' displays.  Sorry if there was some confusion as she herself didn't create the display.  There appears to be a few booksellers that are creating interesting displays pairing Spare with other books.

MC shared that photo on her IG to make a point. Just as she has previously commented on other royals, Queen Sofia of Spain for example (her father in law?s sister) and Letizia, Sofia?s daughter in law, which according to some sources did not go down too well.

And booksellers can do what they wish. It?s all publicity for their shops I guess. Doesn?t mean anything about how the book is going.

My guess is that a lot will buy the e book for their Kindle or the audio version rather than the hardcover. I love books especially new books (the feel of them, the smell of them) but that doesn?t mean that I don?t find my Kindle a blessing or that about 70% of my book purchases over the last six years or so haven?t been via Amazon Kindle.

Quote from: Curryong on January 11, 2023, 12:50:13 AM
It was Harry?s great-grandmother, not grandmother, he was seventeen and got memories mixed up. That?s not a crime, especially as Harry didn?t have much to do with her.  He was at Eton a few days before, probably and forgot about the ski trip. The publisher?s checker should have been onto it. .

Harry sure seems to forget about a lot of things. It?s ok, though. He?s making his millions. He?ll be fine.

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 10, 2023, 08:38:23 PM
I know some people don't really care about dates and numbers but not getting it right when your grandmother died and the like is odd. When you want to be credible, getting your dates correct is a big deal.

Drugs/Alcohol produce memory loss, if abused, permanent. During memory loss, the ability to form recollections worsens.  Having said that,

Harry explained how the school celebrates birthdays, the usual in many private schools, a cake, comes a parent to deliver a birthday gift.  Fergie appeared as Diana had passed away 2 weeks earlier August 1997, said the gift was from Diana, Harry said it was an XBox. 

Xbox was invented 2001.

*****

Harry claims that Henry VI was his Greatx7 grandfather. 

Henry VI only child was killed, in the Wars of the Roses. Edit to add: This is the literal point of the Wars of the Roses. 

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Okay he failed history but but but where are the fact checkers, hello anyone.

In the book Harry jokes about the Founder of Eton, Henry VI and then about ?King George who had the boys for tea over at the castle. Something like that.? End quote. It was obviously a joke.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64231560

For what it's worth, educated guessing here the in parenthesis, would he be referring to King George III. I would almost think KGIII had to do with Eton. But plain KG.

I?ve read years ago that Sarah brought Harry a posthumous 13th birthday gift bought in Paris by his mother before she died.

Diana was killed in a car crash on Aug. 31, 1997; her funeral took place on Sept. 6; and then the school term started. Lady Sarah went to visit Harry at Ludgrove for his 13th birthday, on Sept. 15, bringing him the PlayStation that Diana had already bought for him in Paris, and she would continue to visit both boys at their respective schools. (Harry joined William at Eton in 1998.)

Note Lady Sarah, not Fergie.

''I was also, most often, alone. I liked people, I was gregarious by nature, but just then I didn't want anyone too close. I needed space.

''Days after my return I had a birthday. September 15, 1997. I turned thirteen. By long-standing tradition there would be a cake, sorbet, and I was allowed to choose two flavours.'' (He then said he received the gift from his mom by ''Aunt Sarah'').

''I tore at the wrapping paper, the ribbon. I peered inside. 'Mummy bought it for you. Shortly before...' It was an Xbox. I was pleased. I loved video games.

^ My point is Harry's memory is failing. Xbox was invented November 2001, the release date for that gaming console March 2002. Harry couldn't have received an Xbox 1997. 

There must be a lot of inconsistencies and bad recollections in his book, I'm just sorry there weren't fact checkers to help him and his ghostwriter.

Like literally and technically Harry was 2 weeks to turn 13, rather than what most people who discuss Harry (and Diana) making it sound he was 12 flat. He was 12, but 11.5 months from 12  is ''time'' that one is alive and growing.  Even in academic and sports competition when there is a ''age limit' the clause is year of birthday, so if he was in a let's make believe competition age limit 12/1997 he would be sent to competition for age 13 to 15, just saying, there is a reason for this.

Quote from: Nightowl on January 11, 2023, 12:06:00 AM
Regardless of how many books are sold, it is still a book of *LIES* and for those that bought the book to support his lifestyle foolish are those that want to waste money on LIES. So have at it people, I have a *real* tiara of HM's to sell you.....it is worth more than a book of lies....LOL and not for one second do I believe all the money from the books will go to a charity ......no way in ....whatever!  Meghan needs her $5 grand dresses Harry.

People are curious because so much has been made of it. SO much drama all around the Sussexes. I doubt the book will have longevity....no doubt it will be abundant in used book sales.

From Channel 9?s correspondent

The book is already the top-selling book on Amazon's UK site, which like many big retailers is offering it half price, and is expected to be one of the year's biggest sellers.
John Cotterill, non-fiction buyer at the Waterstones bookstore chain, told trade magazine The Bookseller that Spare was "one the biggest pre-order titles of the last decade for Waterstones."

Quote from: Curryong on January 11, 2023, 12:38:20 AM
Harry has never said that ALL the money from the books will go to charities. Not even any of the RRs have stated that Spare is a book composed of all lies!

And nobody wants any tiaras!!

Yet it is still a Book of Lies regardless....that is the way Harry rolls, nothing is ever his fault, heck they even married 3 days before the *real* wedding (which is a LIE) and the real wedding was what.......fake?  Just one of dozens and dozens of LIES, didn't Meghan's mother teach her not to LIE? Guess not....oh more and more and more people are questioning Harry's drug use...it is spreading like wild fire on the internet. Boy what a mess he has made of his horrible life as a royal prince yet so happy in his life as a non working royal prince...all the while looking miserable.  I chuckle at his saying..I am happy! Yep, happy with his daily dose of weed!

No shocking news that his book, scathing tell all and more, is a hit. Big seller.

Infamous man. People love watching the drama of the car crashes, trainwrecks.


then what? Next?

Well he wants to see William, KC for new ammunition.

Meg, if she should write her story, it would be bigger in sales than his book.

Henry the fool earned his tens of millions .
He does have big expenses he never had before, bills, lol. House payment, utilities, taxes, taxes, security, etc. his whole upkeep for him n family.

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Here's a review of Spare from The Economist.

Prince Harry?s autobiography is an ill-advised romp | The Economist (https://archive.vn/baOB2)

QuoteWhat is the most embarrassing moment in ?Spare?? Is it when Prince Harry describes how he lost his virginity to an older woman who ?smacked my rump? and used him ?not unlike a young stallion?? Or when he talks about his frostnipped ?todger?? Or when he reveals that Meghan calls her pet dogs?British readers, look away??fur babies?? Or, or, or?
Distance, Harry explains at one point in this book, ?between Yourself and Them??which is to say between Us and Him?is ?an essential bit of being royal?. But there is no distance here. None. You even get the freckles on his body as he strips naked and is checked for ticks at Balmoral.
When leaks from ?Spare? started appearing on January 5th, a mood of delighted disbelief settled on British newsdesks. Royal correspondents used to subsisting on crumbs?an innuendo buried in six hours of anodyne Netflix nonsense here, a plucky first day of school for Prince George there?suddenly found themselves glutted by revelations on everything from how many Taliban (25) he killed in Afghanistan to his ?nether regions?. Best of all, these came not from press skulduggery but were offered up voluntarily by Harry for cash. The press had an embarrassment of riches; Harry had the riches of embarrassment.
In one way, this book is fun. Penguin, the publisher, had threatened a ?literary memoir?; happily ?Spare? is nothing nearly so dull. Its literary style is manly thriller. Its sentences are simple; troubling thoughts occur to Harry in an italic font; paragraphs are short and punchy.
For effect. It is, in short, a romp. And obviously the access is excellent. Alan Bennett once wrote a novella about the queen in which he imagined the humdrum side of royal life, and this book does Bennettian humdrum better than Bennett. You learn that footmen served the young princes their tv dinners under silver domes, like kings in a cartoon; that his granny made a mean salad dressing; that King Charles III does headstands against a door in his boxers to help his back.
It is all very engaging. But it also feels somehow iffy. ?Autobiography,? George Orwell once wrote, ?is only to be trusted when it reveals something disgraceful?since any life when viewed from the inside is simply a series of defeats.? This book manages to feel both like a series of defeats and somewhat untrustworthy at the same time. Things are rarely just Harry?s fault. A decision to go to a fancy-dress party as a Nazi is explained away by saying that he was merely following the orders of Herr und Frau Obergruppenf?hrer William and Kate. They look the sort. Camilla is a scheming villain; Charles is a duffer; an editor is a ?pustule?. Only Meghan??she?s perfect, she?s perfect??is exempt.
For all the romps, and the rumps, this book feels less like a lark than a terrible miscalculation. Harry, as he points out himself, is the creature in the gilded cage. Presumably he hoped that by writing a memoir, he?d set himself free. The cage isn?t fashioned by the royals, however, but by the eyes of the audience. By revealing so much, all he has done is draw the bars in closer. The Firm would have stopped him from producing a book like this. And that would have been a service.

In every review I've read, they all make the same point, nothing is ever Harry's fault. Harry is always the 'victim'.

Quote from: TLLK on January 11, 2023, 01:13:42 AM
Just to clarify MC is shared a photo from one of the local booksellers' displays.  Sorry if there was some confusion as she herself didn't create the display.  There appears to be a few booksellers that are creating interesting displays pairing Spare with other books.

She can express whatever she wants. Her feelings about royals, ex senior working royals is not 'shock and awe' effect.  She's been subtle reactionary.

Another inconsistency, Harry said Meghan purchased a first class ticket for Thomas with Air New Zealand Mexico/London

Air New Zealand was contacted today, they don't operate Mexico/London, never have, and much less have first class anywhere, only Business class.


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'It was no palace': Prince Harry admits he was 'EMBARRASSED' to show Meghan Markle his two-bedroom Christopher Wren-designed  Nottingham Cottage home in the grounds of Kensington Palace - and reveals the Suits actress likened it to a 'frat house'

So from the long list of occupants, these two moan and groan (for everything).  The worst part is people (initially) around them fell for their fretting (trap) and were given what they wanted or a solution, after 1 year at Not Cott, they moved to Frogmore Cottage.  They created havoc and never content with anything...

There are many IF they had exercised humbleness, patience and the sort, but it simply isn't their type of character/behaviour. 

I know the reviews in its majority have been unfavorable, but the above believe it or not of their 'housing' has caused a massive loss of Gen Z via social media ex defending warriors. So, I suppose ''housing'' is a great factor in real day to day life of 99% of this new generation that are stuck with their parents or extended family rooftop.

Our like comment to click on is no longer here. @wannable , I am coming right behind you.

Prince Harry admits he was 'EMBARRASSED' to show Meghan his Nottingham Cottage home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11622987/Prince-Harry-admits-EMBARRASSED-Meghan-Markle-Nottingham-Cottage-home.html)

Hmmmm. Can some reporter ask him, the ungrateful, stupid, triflin, spolit brat Prince Harry, how much did he pay for Nottingham Cottage?
How much did he pay for monthly utilities, taxes?
How much is a small, adequate , decent apartment in London?
why did he feel Nottingham Cottage was beneath him for him as a single man and for him and Megan to live in before marriage as FC was selected for them and was on the agenda to get renovated to their wants, needs?
Why is it many of the Qs other grandchildren were given the grace and favor of NC, including WillCatherine, but it was awful, terrible for him?
Where did he think he  should have lived?

Another questions. When QE passed away, he was informed, rightly so as QEs other grandchildren were told. He issued a statement that he and the Duchess were on their way to Balmoral. Doesn?t he think it was wrong for him to go to Balmoral? Why did he even need to go to Balmoral?

The extended interview with Stephen Colbert. The audience were chanting his name.

And, people were waiting outside to see and greet Harry before the show. I read it elsewhere.

Prince Harry, The Duke of Sussex Talks #Spare with Stephen Colbert - EXTENDED INTERVIEW - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E6l0ObY2XVM&bpctr=1673468842)

Quote from: FanDianaFancy on January 11, 2023, 05:39:43 PM
Our like comment to click on is no longer here. @wannable , I am coming right behind you.

Prince Harry admits he was 'EMBARRASSED' to show Meghan his Nottingham Cottage home | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11622987/Prince-Harry-admits-EMBARRASSED-Meghan-Markle-Nottingham-Cottage-home.html)

Hmmmm. Can some reporter ask him, the ungrateful, stupid, triflin, spolit brat Prince Harry, how much did he pay for Nottingham Cottage?
How much did he pay for monthly utilities, taxes?
How much is a small, adequate , decent apartment in London?
why did he feel Nottingham Cottage was beneath him for him as a single man and for him and Megan to live in before marriage as FC was selected for them and was on the agenda to get renovated to their wants, needs?
Why is it many of the Qs other grandchildren were given the grace and favor of NC, including WillCatherine, but it was awful, terrible for him?
Where did he think he  should have lived?

Another questions. When QE passed away, he was informed, rightly so as QEs other grandchildren were told. He issued a statement that he and the Duchess were on their way to Balmoral. Doesn?t he think it was wrong for him to go to Balmoral? Why did he even need to go to Balmoral?

He didn?t pay anything to live at Nott Cott. Neither did William or Kate, by the way. None of the Queen?s other grandchildren have lived at Nott Cott. It has been used in the past as a staff cottage.

Harry didn?t moan about living at Nott Cott as a single man. He does comment that, as an over six footer, the ceilings were very low and that was awkward. They knew that Nott Cott would be too small for them when their baby came and so FC was provided.

You aren?t suggesting surely that the couple paid nothing for FC? They paid back the over 3 million pounds the renovations cost, something the then Cambridges didn?t have to do for their huge KP apartment by the way. The Sussexes are also paying a monthly rent for FC as well and will continue to do so.

The only compare and contrast in the book comes when he and Meghan visit his brother and wife at KP and note the huge number of antiques, beautiful furniture and paintings and contrast it with the way they were living in Nott Cott. Most other royals are allowed some antiques and paintings from the Royal Collection (Princess Margaret for example was loaned several pieces) but the way the Cambridges were living was particularly lavish.

Harry wanted to go and see his grandmother one last time because he felt particularly close to her, especially over the last few months. Death had taken away his mother and grandfather and was now swooping on his grandmother. Harry loved his grandmother, regardless of how others think he felt, and he wanted to be there. 

From Wannabie
Another inconsistency, Harry said Meghan purchased a first class ticket for Thomas with Air New Zealand Mexico/London

Air New Zealand was contacted today, they don't operate Mexico/London, never have, and much less have first class anywhere, only Business class. End quote.

Sussex staff  may well have purchased tickets for Thomas to go to London with two different airlines, one to get him out of Mexico to an LA airport, and then one from LA to London by NZ airlines.

They wanted Thomas to get to London to be away from the Press which was besieging him and offering him money to act the way the tabloid Press wanted. We know Meghan sent him an email beginning with ?Do you want us to come and get you? We can arrange for someone to pick you up now?.?? because they were among the emails and texts she provided to the court during the DM privacy case.

Only, Thomas didn?t want to go. He replied that ?he had things to do?.? Why it?s expected that Harry would provide the exact details (ticket numbers etc) in a book of memoirs I don?t know. An autobiography isn?t a court affidavit.

And what is called business class in airline travel in Aus and NZ is called ?first class? by British people. I know that myself because I wished to fly back to the UK after 10 months due to the illness of a family member and asked about first class as I didn?t want to spend 24 hours cramped up with my knees practically under my chest. I was told by Qantas that there was only business class.

I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in Harry's book Spare. 


''We told him, leave Mexico right now: A whole new level of harassment is about to rain down on you, so come to Britain. Now,''

''Air New Zealand, first class, booked and paid for by Meg.''

:laugh10:

All travel sites will offer the 'best' routes and airlines that frequently operate from Mexico to London, Air New Zealand is not even a choice. Harry has opened Pandora's Box with his drug taking.

An audio clip from the book ...

https://twitter.com/domwakeford/status/1613099763020488704?s=20&t=4EkKb4FabrMvGYJZoL8jaQ

Quote from: wannable on January 11, 2023, 09:30:20 PM
I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in Harry's book Spare. 


''We told him, leave Mexico right now: A whole new level of harassment is about to rain down on you, so come to Britain. Now,''

''Air New Zealand, first class, booked and paid for by Meg.''

:laugh10:

All travel sites will offer the 'best' routes and airlines that frequently operate from Mexico to London, Air New Zealand is not even a choice. Harry has opened Pandora's Box with his drug taking.

Yes, the anti Sussex brigade always have it that Harry is a druggie. Carry on thinking that, people.

And in my life I must have read at least 500 autobiographies, biographies and histories written by professional authors and historians. At least 75% of those I?ve read have contained errors or one sort or another. Sometimes jaw dropping ones. So if Harry made a mistake about which company his wife booked an air ticket from for his father in law, he is in good company.

Quote from: Curryong on January 11, 2023, 08:56:25 PM
He didn?t pay anything to live at Nott Cott. Neither did William or Kate, by the way. None of the Queen?s other grandchildren have lived at Nott Cott. It has been used in the past as a staff cottage.

Harry didn?t moan about living at Nott Cott as a single man. He does comment that, as an over six footer, the ceilings were very low and that was awkward. They knew that Nott Cott would be too small for them when their baby came and so FC was provided.

You aren?t suggesting surely that the couple paid nothing for FC? They paid back the over 3 million pounds the renovations cost, something the then Cambridges didn?t have to do for their huge KP apartment by the way. The Sussexes are also paying a monthly rent for FC as well and will continue to do so.

The only compare and contrast in the book comes when he and Meghan visit his brother and wife at KP and note the huge number of antiques, beautiful furniture and paintings and contrast it with the way they were living in Nott Cott. Most other royals are allowed some antiques and paintings from the Royal Collection (Princess Margaret for example was loaned several pieces) but the way the Cambridges were living was particularly lavish.

Harry wanted to go and see his grandmother one last time because he felt particularly close to her, especially over the last few months. Death had taken away his mother and grandfather and was now swooping on his grandmother. Harry loved his grandmother, regardless of how others think he felt, and he wanted to be there.

Loved his grandmother?  That is one of the biggest LIES he has told, IF he wanted to see his grandmother he could of flown to her from the IG when he was there promoting them after he was done.  If again he wanted to see his grandmother he could of just got on a private plane and flown to her. The way he treated his grandparents is DESPICABLE and that is out there and on Harry and Meghan for the way she made fun of curtsying to HM after her death....how anyone can say he loved his grandparents is beyond me.  Doing the *great Oprah Interview* while his grandfather lay dying, that is called *loving your grandfather*.  Of all the LIES and more LIES he keeps telling and fans keep accepting as the truth is why he is being blasted on the internet.  Harry is a darn DRUGGIE and ALCOHOLIC and that is why is so out of control.  I have been in touch with a ranking member of AA and we discussed behavior patterns and ways druggies hide their drugs and booze.   I can tell you if that was someone making fun of my grandmother they would be picking themselves up off the floor if they could even get up. And for Harry to sit there smiling while she did that is showing how EVIL Meghan is, wonder if she would like someone doing that to her mother?

Nobody knows what is in another?s heart. I believe Harry loved his grandmother. You don?t and that?s fine. However I would just point out a couple of things. Harry left the UK and that saddened his grandmother. She still regarded him as a much-loved grandson and said so in a public statement. I believe she loved him until the end as well. And she knew Harry and none of us commenting on him do. She knew him. We don?t.

As for Prince Philip, Giles Brandryth, a great friend of his, talked to him in those last months before he died. And Philip expressed his bewilderment at Harry and Meghan?s decision but then said that people must be allowed to do what is right for their own future. So, in spite of the fury of others on their behalf these two very old people were quite philosophical about Harry and Meghan. 

I don?t think that people who diagnose others they don?t know as drug addicts and alcoholics have any credibility at all. And doing it from afar, not having met the person at all and with no medical training as a Counsellor in the area or as a fully qualified psychiatrist, doubly so. Nor do I invest any credibility in the Twitter mob either. They are likely to hook on to anything and believe, until the next thing comes along.

Quote from: Curryong on January 11, 2023, 08:56:25 PM
He didn?t pay anything to live at Nott Cott. Neither did William or Kate, by the way. None of the Queen?s other grandchildren have lived at Nott Cott. It has been used in the past as a staff cottage.

Harry didn?t moan about living at Nott Cott as a single man. He does comment that, as an over six footer, the ceilings were very low and that was awkward. They knew that Nott Cott would be too small for them when their baby came and so FC was provided.

You aren?t suggesting surely that the couple paid nothing for FC? They paid back the over 3 million pounds the renovations cost, something the then Cambridges didn?t have to do for their huge KP apartment by the way. The Sussexes are also paying a monthly rent for FC as well and will continue to do so.

The only compare and contrast in the book comes when he and Meghan visit his brother and wife at KP and note the huge number of antiques, beautiful furniture and paintings and contrast it with the way they were living in Nott Cott. Most other royals are allowed some antiques and paintings from the Royal Collection (Princess Margaret for example was loaned several pieces) but the way the Cambridges were living was particularly lavish.

Harry wanted to go and see his grandmother one last time because he felt particularly close to her, especially over the last few months. Death had taken away his mother and grandfather and was now swooping on his grandmother. Harry loved his grandmother, regardless of how others think he felt, and he wanted to be there. 

Oh please Curry. Gotta love you  for supporting anything and everything they do with sweet excuses.
William n Cath lived in NC and they are they are not 5?1 or 4?8. , lol. Ok.
Living in Anglesey?? Where?Wales?  That?s not quite London in KP or Paris , lol.Someplace sophiscated, cosmopolitan. This is not an insult to the people there either. 
QE had 6 adult grandchildren all close to her. Peter was her eldest and first grandson. Truly this honor with William, because of his rank, should have his. Ohhhhbooooowhooooo??..Henry?s mummy n daddy got divorced?blahblah. Peter n Zara folks divorced and their went n made a new family. Ohhhhhhh, so so sad, his mommy died. Awwwww?..
QE , I think of grandaughters, Zara was most close. She was the 2 nd eldest. The honor should have gone to the PHillips.

Henny $0.00 for NCott and FC as Willy paid $0.00 for NC and AHall, KP..
I get that. That is the point. $0.00. These two ingrates

Henny paid back for FC to the fund AFTER public, media outcry, he was leaving.

William had a lavish , extremely spacious home at KP. As heir.  As father of 3 although he was granted KP before all three children were born, it was known he was having a growing family. As married man . As husband and father.
Married Willie and Katie did not have that one day or for them to live in before they married.

Everyone knows BRF is very , outrageously wealthy that is of the Monarch and minor children.
However everyone knows, being a representative of the govt, they are celebrity showy. William n Catherine cannot fly off to Vegas, baby and pop bottles in VIP  area and shake their bottoms. The Kardsahians can. JLo and Ben can. They earn their money on their own and it nor their time is not owed to a single , solitary soul  on this planet.

As a single man , HenyOenny was not going to get some major property of living space. Nor did Eug, Bea, William

I mentioned William and Kate living at Nott Cott in my first sentence of my post. I said none of the OTHER grandchildren lived there. Peter and Zara are untitled, non working royals and not the children of the heir to the throne. Harry is fifth in line to the throne now but at the time he moved in to Nott Cott he was third, is that what you were trying to say?

Being one of the only two children of the Prince of Wales makes a difference. God knows how far Anne was in the line of succession when Harry moved in. She?s behind her three brothers and their children. And Zara and Peter are even more far away.

And William and Kate lived off base in a large house when they were in Anglesey. I remember seeing photos of it. It was hardly typical married accommodation on base.

Harry paid for the FC renovations because he wanted a primary residence in Britain as per Counsellor and wanted to return some time.  The Press spruiked FC as a wedding gift to the couple from the Queen at the time they moved in. Some gift! Just pay 3 million towards renovations will ya! In spite of the fact that we know you absolutely loved the Cotswolds better!

How much did W+K pay outright for that 21 room apartment at KP again? Lol!

Btw, record breaking sales for ?Spare?. I knew pre-order sales were high and now this.  Long may it continue.

Prince Harry's Memoir Spare Smashes Publisher's First-Day Sales Record (https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-spare-smashes-record-copies-sold-first-day/)

Quote from: Curryong on January 11, 2023, 11:52:11 PM
Nobody knows what is in another?s heart. I believe Harry loved his grandmother. You don?t and that?s fine. However I would just point out a couple of things. Harry left the UK and that saddened his grandmother. She still regarded him as a much-loved grandson and said so in a public statement. I believe she loved him until the end as well. And she knew Harry and none of us commenting on him do. She knew him. We don?t.

As for Prince Philip, Giles Brandryth, a great friend of his, talked to him in those last months before he died. And Philip expressed his bewilderment at Harry and Meghan?s decision but then said that people must be allowed to do what is right for their own future. So, in spite of the fury of others on their behalf these two very old people were quite philosophical about Harry and Meghan. 

I don?t think that people who diagnose others they don?t know as drug addicts and alcoholics have any credibility at all. And doing it from afar, not having met the person at all and with no medical training as a Counsellor in the area or as a fully qualified psychiatrist, doubly so. Nor do I invest any credibility in the Twitter mob either. They are likely to hook on to anything and believe, until the next thing comes along.

There can NO SPIN on how Harry loved or treated his grandparents, ever.  If you love someone like your grandparents that you grew up all your life and was there for all those family events then you treat them with RESPECT period. Harry did NOT treat his grandparents with respect, HM was his grandmother, she was from another generation that gave to her grandchildren all the love in her.....as that is what she learned as a child.  Harry is an ADULT, well in body he is an adult in mind he is a simperingly evil little boy playing at being an adult. He is such a worthless piece of human garbage much like a former president and that idiot in Russia.....ego manics out of control.   NO I don't know him personally yet from what I see and read, oh those interviews really cast him in a bad light for the world to see, Harry is a bomb exploding all over the place and everyone can see it, Boy BP sure has done a number on him all these years in cleaning up his garbage way of life....so he TRUTH, his way of life and what was in it has shown full circle now.......reactions, he should hide his face in shame and why say that the BRF is campaigning now against him......another LIE, if anything the BRF is being very quiet and calm within their own lives and that right there I think is making Harry very angry at them, they won't do tit for tat like he wants. 

So what is next now.....more TV interviews, more books, more what?  Shutting up would be a start. Yet that won't give him millions now would it? 

The ghostwriter today has officially sent a defense in reference to the litany of incosistencies in the Spare memoir using two quotes:

The line between memory and fact is blurry, between interpretation and fact. There are inadvertent mistakes of those kind out the wazoo. Mary Karr

Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates as it sees fit, and there's just as much truth in what I remember as there is in so called objective facts. Things like chronology and cause and effect are often just fables we tell ourselves about the past. Harry, DOS, Spare.


^In one way it's good to clarify that Harry's recollections vary, the bad is that in the process of telling his recollections he is hurting third parties and it is not based on objective facts. 

We can't cherrypick the accusations he has thrown to Charles, Camilla, William and Kate because the foursome will not do an interview.  Many other parts of the book it's quite easy to fact check.

After Harry's over saturation, here's a comic relief from John Crace, he is the Parliamentary sketch writer.

?I was alone. Abandoned. With only a hundred million in the bank? ? Spare, digested by John Crace | Books | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/12/i-was-alone-abandoned-with-only-a-hundred-million-in-the-bank-spare-digested-by-john-crace)

Quote from: FanDianaFancy on January 12, 2023, 12:19:57 AM
William had a lavish , extremely spacious home at KP. As heir.  As father of 3 although he was granted KP before all three children were born, it was known he was having a growing family. As married man . As husband and father.
Married Willie and Katie did not have that one day or for them to live in before they married.

Everyone knows BRF is very , outrageously wealthy that is of the Monarch and minor children.
However everyone knows, being a representative of the govt, they are celebrity showy. William n Catherine cannot fly off to Vegas, baby and pop bottles in VIP  area and shake their bottoms. The Kardsahians can. JLo and Ben can. They earn their money on their own and it nor their time is not owed to a single , solitary soul  on this planet.

As a single man , HenyOenny was not going to get some major property of living space. Nor did Eug, Bea, William

Yes Prince William and Catherine live Kensington Palace based in London but he and Catherine can afford house nearby Windsor Castle and Sandringham im respect that

I understand that William and Catherine must have security 24/7 in London,Wales and mores for travel

Before William and Catherine have children lives in Wales for years and both decided to become full time royals work with late Queen Elizabeth and members of royal family

BUT Harry did big mistakes for trips to Vegas and embarrassing himself in the taboilds
 

Quote from: Curryong on January 12, 2023, 12:21:55 AM
I mentioned William and Kate living at Nott Cott in my first sentence of my post. I said none of the OTHER grandchildren lived there. Peter and Zara are untitled, non working royals and not the children of the heir to the throne. Harry is fifth in line to the throne now but at the time he moved in to Nott Cott he was third, is that what you were trying to say?

Being one of the only two children of the Prince of Wales makes a difference. God knows how far Anne was in the line of succession when Harry moved in. She?s behind her three brothers and their children. And Zara and Peter are even more far away.

And William and Kate lived off base in a large house when they were in Anglesey. I remember seeing photos of it. It was hardly typical married accommodation on base.

Harry paid for the FC renovations because he wanted a primary residence in Britain as per Counsellor and wanted to return some time.  The Press spruiked FC as a wedding gift to the couple from the Queen at the time they moved in. Some gift! Just pay 3 million towards renovations will ya! In spite of the fact that we know you absolutely loved the Cotswolds better!

How much did W+K pay outright for that 21 room apartment at KP again? Lol!

Yes when William and Catherine got married they lives in Wales for years before children but both move to KP based office and home and also nearby Windsor Castle and nearby Sandringham also im respect that but William and Catherine have security 24/7

An interesting article from a therapist who expresses concerns about the number of therapies that Prince Harry seems to be moving from and his expectation that others' behaviors need to change.

How much more therapy does Harry need to realise there is no ?truth? when it comes to family? (https://archive.vn/AkV5K)

That is a very good article and Thank you for sharing it with us.

Could Harry be using his therapy as an excuse for his behavior these past months?  I think it is more than that..way to much booze and drugs will make you believe anything and also very paranoid.  Something is not right with Harry besides being angry at his family, it is more than that as he is showing us.

The good thing, best thing is he wrote his little novel.
KC, William, Catherine n Camilla too, must know now, no point of return.

Anytime, anyday , any communication with them for him and Meg is money making ammunition.

Next, he and Meg are celebrities, famous fir being famous.
The people get fickle , move on.
Yes Sussex have their fans. That base is their , but not big enough .
  Look for two more books, interviews about the BRF from them gir a price. It us theur mobey maker, schnitck.

Harry had a good week on the USA  pr , in the spotlight .

Now, LisaMariePressly has died. She was just the GoldenGlobe Awards on Tuesday looking very premature old, bad. Well, loss of her son ( suicide) and and an awful divorce with him,the crumb, trying to get money, are good reasons why.
Next story up hapoened in Harry?s week. I guess he will blame her for taking his thunder, his spotlight.

The Half-Madness of Prince Harry - WSJ (https://archive.ph/J86d4)- An opinion piece on Spare.

QuotePrince Harry?s book is odd. There?s even something half-mad about it.
He opens with a dramatic meeting at Frogmore, his former mansion on the grounds of Windsor. It is just after the death of Prince Philip, Harry?s paternal grandfather. For months Harry has been estranged from his father, Charles, and his brother, William?a ?full-scale public rupture.? Harry has flown in from America and requested a meeting. The day is overcast, chilly. Charles and William arrive late looking ?grim, almost menacing,? and ?tightly aligned.? ?They?d come ready for a fight.? Harry is tongue-tied, vulnerable, leaves heartbroken. ?I wanted peace. I wanted it more than anything.?
You feel such sympathy. What could have driven them so far apart? Why are Charles and William so cold? Then you realize, wait?Philip died just a month after the Oprah interview in which Harry rather coolly portrayed his family as remote and hapless puppets and implied they were racist.
Harry forgets, in the opening, to tell us that part. But you can see how it might have left Charles and William a little indignant.This is the book?s great flaw, that Harry doesn?t always play it straight, that he thinks ?my truth? is as good as the truth. There are other flaws, and they grate. There?s a heightened-ness to his language?he never leaves a place; he flees it ?in fear for our sanity and physical safety.? He often finds his wife ?sobbing uncontrollably? on the floor and the stairs, mostly over what he fails to realize are trivial things. He is grandiose: ?My mother was a princess, named after a goddess.? ?How would I be remembered by history? For the headlines? Or for who I actually was?? Lord, he was an attractive man fifth in line for a largely ceremonial European throne; it would hardly remember him at all. (Unless he wrote a scalding book and destabilized the monarchy!) He repeatedly points out that he?s a Windsor and of royal blood. His title means a lot to him. He is exhibitionistic: ?My penis was oscillating between extremely sensitive and borderline traumatized.? (Frostbite.)
There are gaps in his knowledge-base that wouldn?t be irritating if he weren?t intent on establishing that he?s giving you the high-class rarefied inside dope. ?Never complain, never explain? has been an expression of the old American upper class since forever, and I?m sure the British one too. It isn?t special to the Windsors. ?An heir and a spare? is old Fleet Street tabloidese. It doesn?t mean, as he suggested on book tour, he was bred for body parts.
Famous families often have internal communication problems. The children of those families learn much of what they know from the many books written about the clan. They internalize and repeat observations and stories that aren?t quite right but are now given their insider imprimatur. Harry?s anecdotes tend to undermine the institution of the monarchy. When he was a teenager Britain?s biggest tabloid told the palace it had evidence he was doing drugs. In fact, as Harry tells us candidly, he did do drugs when he was young. The palace, no doubt knowing this, opted to ?play ball? with the newspaper and not deny all aspects of the story. This made Harry feel thrown under the bus.
His father, he believes, used him as a ?sacrifice,? to appease a powerful editor and bolster his own sagging reputation. ?No more the unfaithful husband, Pa would now be presented to the world as the harried single dad coping with a drug-addled child.? He reports Charles and his wife, Camilla, were jealous of William and Kate?s ?drawing attention away from them.? His stories of jealousy sound like projection. But they also make the book feel less like ?Clown Turns on Circus? than something more deadly, especially just before Charles?s coronation this May.
Harry accuses the tabloids of violating his privacy, and no doubt they often did. What is almost unbelievable is that he is so unmoored and destabilized by this inevitable aspect of fame, especially royal fame. He implies he left Britain primarily because of the newspapers and their criticism of his wife.
But the odd, half-mad thing about this book is that in it he violates his own privacy, and that of others, more than Fleet Street ever could. He is careful throughout to say he is telling his story in order to help others, those who?ve struggled with mental illness or been traumatized by war. It is hard to know another person?s motives; it can be hard to know your own. But I don?t think this book is about others. I think it?s about his own very human desire for revenge, to hurt those who?ve hurt him. And to become secure in a certain amount of wealth. And to show his family and Fleet Street that their favorite ginger-haired flake could make his own way, set up his own palace, break free, fly his own standard, become the duke of Netflix.
This book is classic Fredo: ?I can handle things. I?m smart. Not like everybody says, like dumb, I?m smart and I want respect!?
It is all so contradictory. He says he wants reconciliation but writes things that alienate, he says he reveres the monarchy and isn?t trying to bring it down but he has gone beyond removing bricks from the facade and seems to be going at the bearing walls.
I close with a thought on privacy. Prince Harry violates his own. He tells us too much about himself and others.
Once there was a reigning personal style of public reticence about private pain. You didn?t share it with everybody, and you didn?t use it for advantage or as a weapon: I have known pain, you must bow before me. The forces of modernity have washed away the old boundary between public and private. It isn?t good. It?s making us less human even as we claim to be more sensitive. But fully mature people still have a sense of their own privacy, they keep to themselves what is properly kept to oneself. Privacy isn?t some relic of the pre-tech past, as I said once, it is connected to personhood. It has to do with intimate things?the inner workings of your head and heart, of your soul. You don?t just give those things away. Your deepest thoughts and experiences are yours, held by you; they are part of your history. They are part of your dignity. You share them as a mark of trust. This is true intimacy, not phony intimacy but the real thing.
If you tell all the strangers your secrets what do you tell your intimates?
A friend said the other day: ?Most of the forces in the world are pushing toward exhibitionism and calling it honesty. The assumption is if you keep things to yourself you have something to hide.? But you aren?t reserved out of shame, you are reserved out of a sense of your own value and self-respect. And it doesn?t leave you alone; it means you are part of something larger, a whole world of distinct souls.
You shouldn?t violate your own privacy, not for attention or admiration, and not for money. It?s a mistake. And it won?t heal you.

Ah yes, a columnist of, shall we say, a certain age, as she was once a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, a US President who served some time ago. And a columnist for a journal of a um conservative readership rather than otherwise. Not, one would say, a natural ally of a Californian couple of liberal leanings. Just a weeny bit of bias, more than a touch of prejudice colouring her opinions on Harry, then. Nuff said!

Certain age? Can't people of a certain age have opinions? I find her opinion piece spot on.

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Harry doesn't always play it straight

She's not the only one who has noted it, all RR's and extending now to other 'section' journalists have found by fact checking that he slags people, but before the slagging there was an ''incident'' that leaves out the objective fact of context to his moaning, groaning, claims. Like what Peggy starts of as an example in her article.  Harry left out that his grandfather had just passed away, 1 month before he did the Oprah attacking his family or agreeing with all the Meghan trashing, what human being family member (Charles and William) will be cool with that? Of course they were tense, tight.

That Harry at this point in time/life thinks no one will fact check/fact finder the inconsistencies or the half stories he tells, it's a backlash to himself.

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My ***** was oscillating between extremely sensitive and borderline traumatized. (Frostbite.)

Peggy is being nice here, she didn't mention that in the book he proceeded to fix the frostbite with a brand cream whilst Diana was watching him.  That is not half madness, that is full madness.  Listening to the audio book with his voice is vomit inducing. It should come with a ''warning''.

Well, here is another article, coming from a different angle and speaking about lasting grief. As I lost my mother at much the same age as Harry did (and yes it has affected my whole life in various ways) as the author describes.

What Prince Harry's memoir Spare tells us about 'complicated grief' and the long-term impact of losing a mother so young (https://theconversation.com/what-prince-harrys-memoir-spare-tells-us-about-complicated-grief-and-the-long-term-impact-of-losing-a-mother-so-young-197611)

She is generalizing (all good informative) as a Social Worker and Health Researcher.

She recommends patients to speak with the family (climax of her article), then she concludes (conclusion of the article)  that there is no right or wrong way to express his grief. So basically everyone who has a Harry type problem, can do it however it pleases them. 

No one stopped Harry from doing what he has done to date by expressing his grief.  Sarah mentions the danger of 'stopping' someone, which isn't the case of Harry.

What is a social worker do?

Social workers help people cope with challenges in their lives. They help with a wide range of situations, such as adopting a child, being diagnosed with a terminal illness, or preventing and treating substance abuse.

A health researcher is responsible for conducting surveys and analyzing data and lab results in order to gain a better perspective of a population's health. They uncover trends, risks, and other factors, such as whether biology, behavior, society, or the environment play a role in a population's health

I know what a social worker is. I?m newly retired from having been being employed as one for decades. There has been very little compassion given from the host of commentators and media or understanding of long term grief on the psyche. And Charles?s reaction after telling his 12 year old son that his beloved mother was dead was to leave the room! Words fail me!

In the process of Sarah's social worker and health researcher opinion piece, it is a generalization of Harry's grief.  She generalizes too that no one should stop the patient's way (s) of expressing such grief.

So, I gather she is fine with Harry trashing his family publicly.

Do I agree? I find her article as I stated Informative, but it doesn't mean I agree 'entirely'. She isn't a therapist, publicly hurting third parties with whatever list of mental health illnesses Harry has, trashing the family isn't one of them.

I do agree with the ''different angles' of articles in Re to Harry, including psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists opinion (s) piece based on their profession.

Have you read Harry's book? William and Charles keep dignified silence despite attempts to quiz them | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11628571/Have-chance-read-brothers-book-William-ignores-question-Harrys-memoir.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop)

Prince William Ignores Question About Reading Prince Harry's Memoir (https://people.com/royals/prince-william-ignores-reporter-prince-harry-spare/)

Prince William responds to royal well-wisher after Prince Harry's shocking allegations | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230112161643/prince-william-responds-well-wisher-prince-harry-claims/)

Prince Harry makes touching comment about relationship with nephew Prince George - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230113161601/prince-harry-touching-comment-about-becoming-uncle-prince-george/)

Princess Diana's biographer Andrew Morton on why Prince Harry will never regret writing his book - exclusive | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230113161531/andrew-morton-why-prince-harry-will-not-regret-memoir-spare-release-podcast/)

Prince William responds to Harry claims for first time as fans cheer him and Kate on | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1720474/Prince-William-Kate-Middleton-royal-visit-today-Liverpool-University-Hospital-Harry-book)

Awkward moment William and Kate ignore blatant question about Harry's book on royal visit - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/awkward-moment-william-kate-ignore-28941207)
Prince William and Catherine will not comment about Harry?s book its private matters,private business and family matters but Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace always kept silent not back to last December due Harry?s Netflix not without palace attorney present

?This is not about trying to collapse the monarchy, this is about trying to save them from themselves? (https://archive.ph/wQrMz)

Bryony Gordon's interview with Harry at Montecito.

He says he has enough/more explosive material for a second book, enough to blow William and Charles.

He wants to save them from themselves, he wants to save Charlotte and Louis.

He wants William to do a psychedelic drug trip with him

^ William stay strong, don't answer back, the silence is killing this psychopath and his delusions of grandeur.

Prince Harry exclusive: ?There?s enough for another book ? I cut memoir in half to spare my family? (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/01/13/prince-harry-book-two-spare-revelations-royal-family/)

^ Victoria Ward opinion about the above interview

He's absolutely repugnant. What a disgusting person Harry has become.

Quote from: wannable on January 13, 2023, 07:50:25 PM
?This is not about trying to collapse the monarchy, this is about trying to save them from themselves? (https://archive.ph/wQrMz)

Bryony Gordon's interview with Harry at Montecito.

He says he has enough/more explosive material for a second book, enough to blow William and Charles.

He wants to save them from themselves, he wants to save Charlotte and Louis.

He wants William to do a psychedelic drug trip with him

^ William stay strong, don't answer back, the silence is killing this psychopath and his delusions of grandeur.

Thank you for sharing the link so posters can have the opportunity to read this long article. I found it incredibly sad to read.

He?s disgusting.

Quote from: Curryong on January 13, 2023, 03:07:58 PM
Well, here is another article, coming from a different angle and speaking about lasting grief. As I lost my mother at much the same age as Harry did (and yes it has affected my whole life in various ways) as the author describes.

What Prince Harry's memoir Spare tells us about 'complicated grief' and the long-term impact of losing a mother so young (https://theconversation.com/what-prince-harrys-memoir-spare-tells-us-about-complicated-grief-and-the-long-term-impact-of-losing-a-mother-so-young-197611)

**Respect is not a given in life just because a person has money, power, or a title, it is earned by how a person treats other people*....Family comes first in life as that is who we are born into yet Harry has shown he has NO respect for his family and mostly his grandparents., There is NO SPIN on how he has treated his family or friends, and that goes double for Meghan.

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 13, 2023, 09:10:59 PM
He's absolutely repugnant. What a disgusting person Harry has become.

Well, so he has more to write another book about the royal family, that was EXPECTED, because that is all he knows how to do and to make money.  Harry and Meghan are both just plain (edited) to the very bottom of their soul.  This will go on for decades or until his last breath....just shaking my head at this insane person or his he really insane?  Could be be doing all this to get attention as he knows the public will lap it up and buy any book he writes and believes the public will believe any and everything he says, all because he is a royal prince who married a woman that is HALF black and HALF white?

Let's tone down the adjectives when referring to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and refrain from using adjectives ie: "evil" and "dangerous." Thank you

It has been quite a while since I?ve been on this site (Hello again to those still here!). Kept track of the royals tangentially because of my curiosity on how the royal family would evolve, but have been paying special attention since Harry left.

All I have to say is wow. Just wow. It should go without saying that I know no one in this situation and there?s likely some truth to Harry?s comments, but I do find it incredibly sad that he seems to be so vindictive. He?s clearly got a very distorted view of the world.

 :welcome: back @HistoryGirl2 ! It has been a long time but it is good to see you.

Thanks, @TLLK! Good to (virtually) hear from you!

It?s amazing actually. When I was last here I was convinced about the ridiculousness of the royal family, but the Queen?s death made me reconsider the value of a monarchy; when the monarch is one that was as dedicated as she, anyway.

Ironically, Harry?s behavior has reminded me how singular the institution is (with both positive and negative elements), but it?s also done the exact opposite of what I imagine is his intention. It?s reminded me of the wisdom of why the Queen?s motto was, ?Never complain, never explain.?

Posts related to the death and funeral of the DoE's nephew the late Margrave of Baden have been moved to this thread\ linked below. Please continue the discussion there. Further off topic posts will be removed. Thank you.

The Family and Ancestors of the Duke of Edinburgh (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=9486.0)

Prince Harry?s Spare becomes fastest-selling non-fiction book ever | Guinness World Records (https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/1/prince-harrys-spare-becomes-fastest-selling-non-fiction-book-ever-732915)

The record was previously held by Barack Obama?s fourth book, A Promised Land (2020), which sold 887,000 copies during its release day.

Spare?s superlative sales figures are made even more impressive when considering the fact that it was leaked five days early in Spain.

Quote from: Curryong on January 15, 2023, 12:41:22 AM
Prince Harry?s Spare becomes fastest-selling non-fiction book ever | Guinness World Records (https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/1/prince-harrys-spare-becomes-fastest-selling-non-fiction-book-ever-732915)

The record was previously held by Barack Obama?s fourth book, A Promised Land (2020), which sold 887,000 copies during its release day.

Spare?s superlative sales figures are made even more impressive when considering the fact that it was leaked five days early in Spain.

How nice to be able to make money by selling your family. He must be really proud. Honestly, it?s not about him. It?a about him being a royal. I assure you if his grandfather had written a book it would?ve broken records. If William wrote a response he would outsell him by millions. But they didn?t and wouldn?t. Because they?re not angry, bitter and stupid like Harry.

Quote from: Ayse on January 15, 2023, 02:06:10 AM
How nice to be able to make money by selling your family. He must be really proud. Honestly, it?s not about him. It?a about him being a royal. I assure you if his grandfather had written a book it would?ve broken records. If William wrote a response he would outsell him by millions. But they didn?t and wouldn?t. Because they?re not angry, bitter and stupid like Harry.

IF Prince Philip had written books? What? Well he did actually. I can remember the British Press spruiking several of them. They were no doubt entertaining and informative. But no, they didn?t break records. I think he wrote about a dozen actually. But some of them are on the list below.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/duke-of-edinburgh/1652880/

And a list of Charles?s books below. I remember he produced Visions of Britain in a numbered copy very expensive leather edition that didn?t sell particularly well. And of course he cooperated greatly in Jonathon Dimbleby?s book about himself in which he criticised his parents, upbringing, the fact that he had never loved Diana and in the interview accompanying that book outed Camilla as his mistress. From his own lips?old and dear friend?

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/charles-prince-of-wales/244724/

The 17 Best Books written by the British Royal Family.

The 17 Best Books Written by Royals - Books by Meghan Markle, Kate Middleton & More (https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g40666343/best-books-written-by-royal-family/)

Quote from: Curryong on January 15, 2023, 02:35:51 AM
IF Prince Philip had written books? What? Well he did actually. I can remember the British Press spruiking several of them. They were no doubt entertaining and informative. But no, they didn?t break records. I think he wrote about a dozen actually. But some of them are on the list below.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/duke-of-edinburgh/1652880/

And a list of Charles?s books below. I remember he produced Visions of Britain in a numbered copy very expensive leather edition that didn?t sell particularly well. And of course he cooperated greatly in Jonathon Dimbleby?s book about himself in which he criticised his parents, upbringing, the fact that he had never loved Diana and in the interview accompanying that book outed Camilla as his mistress. From his own lips?old and dear friend?

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/charles-prince-of-wales/244724/

The 17 Best Books written by the British Royal Family.

The 17 Best Books Written by Royals - Books by Meghan Markle, Kate Middleton & More (https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g40666343/best-books-written-by-royal-family/)
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Yes lots of books written by many in the royal family yet there is only one that I know of that was written to destroy the family, it is full of lies, innuendoes, and threats is the one by Harry.  Any one who sings praises for that book is surly a very sad insecure person in my opinion because so much of it can and has been *fact checked* to be filled with LIES as much of what Harry spouts out of his mouth is lies.  If he can't remember something well just make something up and the stupid public will believe him all because he is Prince Harry who does NO WRONG in this world, right? He walks on water, he is God, so we all must bow down and kiss his feet praising him for LYING and treating his family like they are the dirt under his feet, right?

I will say this, Harry is plain evil and a danger to William and his family as so many that I have talked to believe he would be a threat to George and Charlotte and Louis as he is now dragging them into his world of hell to get revenge on his dad and brother. Let anyone stand int he way of what Harry wants then hell will be knocking on their door/life real quick.

The Guardian's review of Spare is now available.

Spare by Prince Harry review ? dry your eyes, mate | Autobiography and memoir | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/15/spare-by-prince-harry-review-dry-your-eyes-mate?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)

QuoteIt?s now almost a week since Prince Harry?s memoir Spare was published and what thrillingly hectic days they?ve been: hard to pick a highlight. Amusing as it was to find Nicholas Witchell reporting for the BBC on the book?s release by filming the sole person queueing outside Waterstones? London flagship to buy it, I think the sound of the ex-Sun hack Dan Wootton railing flatulently in the Daily Mail at Harry?s description of him as a ?sad little man? just edged it for me (?no, YOU?RE the sad little man, Mister Prince!?). Meanwhile, in the US, Harry went on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert, where he performed a skit with some trumpets and Tom Hanks and spoke of his ?frost-nipped todger? ? said todger being, by the way, just one of dozens of be-nicknamed rude mechanicals who appear in his masterwork (others include his mates Badger, Skippy and Chimp; the venomous royal courtiers known as the Bee, the Wasp and the Fly; and Rehabber Kooks, AKA Rebekah Brooks, chief executive of Rupert Murdoch?s News UK).

It has to be said, however, that none of this coverage, barmy and excessively fixated, is even half so unlikely as Spare itself, a book that must rank as one of the most bizarre I?ve ever read. Yes, it is ? at moments ? very sad. There?s ongoing shame in it for tabloid journalism. But for a title written explicitly in the cause of securing sympathy and understanding for its so-called author, boy, does it misfire. It?s not only that Harry is so petulant: a man who thinks nothing, even now, of complaining about the bedroom he was allotted for his summer hols in Granny?s castle. With every page, his California makeover grows less convincing.

The Times' Roya Nikah suggests that there might be discussion between KCIII, the PoW and the DoS prior to the coronation. (Note-not confirmed but suggested.)

Peace talks plan: moves to reconcile Prince Harry with the Windsors before the coronation | News | The Sunday Times (https://archive.ph/ykvP0)

QuoteWho shall separate us?? asks Prince Harry in his book, as he describes bidding ?farewell? to Prince William on his wedding day, his big brother leaving him ?terrifyingly alone?. Harry?s memoir, the fastest-selling non-fiction book yet, has separated the brothers even further, leaving ?the Spare? more isolated than ever from the royal family.
The question now is who shall unite them? Can Harry come back into the fold as friend rather than foe, and how?
?Reconciliation? is Harry?s word of the day. He called for it in many interviews last week to promote Spare, probably the least-conciliatory read in royal history. He wants ?accountability? and ?an apology? from his family, but says they have ?shown absolutely no willingness to reconcile? since the Sussexes? painful split from the Windsor clan. He wants to ?sit down and have a proper conversation about this? and says he wants his brother and his father back.There has been deafening silence on the subject from the King and the Prince of Wales, who kept calm and carried on with engagements in Scotland and Liverpool this week, buoyed by the rousing receptions and messages of support they received out on manoeuvres. Some in the royal households believe a ?least said, soonest mended? approach is the best way forward, a mantra being wilfully ignored by Harry. But there are other wise heads in royal circles who acknowledge that, much as it might stick in the craw after Harry?s nuclear detonations, a reconciliation is ?the only way forward? for the royal family. Furthermore, it is only achievable if both sides put their hands up and Harry puts his guns down.
A royal source, who has the King?s ear and who knows the Sussexes well, believes a reconciliation meeting will happen in the coming months and needs to take place before the coronation on Saturday, May 6. ?It?s going to take flexibility on all sides, but it can be done, it?s fixable,? says the source. ?It needs Harry over here, in the room with the King and Prince of Wales, a couple of other family members, some of ?his people? he trusts who always had his back, so he doesn?t think he?s being ambushed. Someone like Elf [Ed Lane Fox, Harry?s former private secretary] and Christopher [Lord Geidt, the late Queen?s former private secretary who advised the Sussexes].But can William? The heir is the spare?s punchbag over Spare?s blistering pages of character assassination and friends have said William is ?burning inside? over his brother?s disloyalty. ?He is loyal to the throne and understands what needs to be done for the country,? says the source, who also knows William well. ?Not everyone here behaved well, but Harry?s got to be able to sit down and say ?we didn?t behave well either?. That takes a lot of academic flexibility, which Harry isn?t great at.?Time is of the essence, says the source: ?We?ve got to move on it, and get it done by April. Then, we need to get the wives in. The King needs a clear run for the coronation.?
Another well-placed royal source agrees: ?They have to invite them in before the coronation, or it will become such a circus and distraction.?
If such a summit is achievable, who could be trusted by both sides to mediate and encourage reconciliation? Perhaps the best candidate is a figure who continues to call for greater ?forgiveness? in society and who has his own ?reconciliation ministry? dedicated to ?peacebuilding??
Step up the Archbishop of Canterbury, trusted confidant of the royal family and the Sussexes, who married Harry and Meghan at St George?s Chapel, Windsor, and to whom they often turned when life inside the royal goldfish bowl became unbearable for them. Asked last month if reconciliation was possible, Justin Welby said: ?There is always a way forward. But it has to be at the right time.?
In an interview with The Daily Telegraph last week, Harry acknowledged that his family would find it hard to forgive his betrayal: ?Some of the stuff I?ve put in there, well, they will never forgive me anyway. But the way I see it is, I?m willing to forgive you for everything you?ve done.?If he is as willing to come to the table as he says he is, he will need to leave his messiah complex behind in Montecito. Harry also claimed his blistering assessment of his family in Spare ?is not about trying to collapse the monarchy, this is about trying to save them from themselves? ? a remark that has been met with groans across the institution that the Sussexes quit. In the same interview, he said it was his ?life?s mission to right the wrongs of the very thing that drove us out? and to ?fix? things: ?When you?re trying to change an institution ? that is not a small task. The scale of the challenge is enormous.?
After 38 years as a prince, Harry still doesn?t seem to grasp that the royal family is not going to change just because he says so. The modernisation of the monarchy, clearly already under way with a King who has a notably different style and approach to his mother, will continue to be led by Charles and William, whose popularity with the British public continues to soar in the polls, as Harry?s plummets.
What could be on the agenda at a royal summit? A ceasefire from the loose cannon, for starters. A royal source says: ?They have to now be quiet and get on with their thing in America and Harry has got to realise that it might all go down better there, but here in the UK, people have taken it very badly. You?ve said your piece, but why are you trying to torch the whole house??
Harry bares his soul to from far left, Michael Strahan on Good Morning AmericaPalace sources agree, and point out that reconciliation and forgiveness is made much harder after Harry?s four broadcast interviews, two print interviews and 407 pages detailing his ?truth? of how horrible his family is. Inside Buckingham Palace, there is wishful thinking that Harry?s family-bashing might be at an end, giving the King and his family the space to see how they feel about the next steps in a few weeks? time.
The issue of titles for Harry and Meghan?s children is also unresolved. As children of the sovereign?s son, Archie, 3, and Lilibet, known as Lili, 1, are automatically now a prince and princess and entitled to be styled His Royal Highness and Her Royal Highness, something Meghan previously claimed Archie would be denied because he was of mixed race. Harry and Meghan are understood to fear the King may strip Archie and Lili of their titles, after his reluctance immediately to recognise their elevated status after the Queen?s death. Four months on, they are still styled as ?Master? and ?Miss Mountbatten-Windsor? on the royal family?s website.Harry and his father had a ?brief discussion? in the days after the Queen?s death. The conversation ended unresolved and left the Sussexes dismayed. Palace sources say all will be decided in good time, but the King would be wise to make his position clear on it before the coronation. If he was to decide to issue Letters Patent to remove their titles, it would not be motivated by vindictiveness, more an acknowledgement that Harry?s book has revealed what a ?poison chalice? a royal title has proven for his second son and his wife, according to a source close to the King.
And what of Harry?s intriguing and surprising remarks that after all the mudslinging and railing at monarchy, he might still fancy some kind of supporting role? ?If my father asks us for support across the Commonwealth then that is certainly an open discussion,? Harry told ITV?s Tom Bradby in an interview. Two days later, in an interview which aired on ABC?s Good Morning America, he added: ?If there was something in the future where we can continue to support the Commonwealth then that?s of course on the table.?
A royal source says: ?In time, perhaps. There could still be an opportunity down the road, but it will need time for them to settle down and be quiet.?
To that end, Harry might want to lay off what feels like ongoing threats to his family. In his Telegraph interview, he also revealed that he has enough material to write another book, having held back many more revelations about Charles and William which neither would ?ever forgive? him for if they were made public.Harry and his father had a ?brief discussion? in the days after the Queen?s death. The conversation ended unresolved and left the Sussexes dismayed. Palace sources say all will be decided in good time, but the King would be wise to make his position clear on it before the coronation. If he was to decide to issue Letters Patent to remove their titles, it would not be motivated by vindictiveness, more an acknowledgement that Harry?s book has revealed what a ?poison chalice? a royal title has proven for his second son and his wife, according to a source close to the King.
And what of Harry?s intriguing and surprising remarks that after all the mudslinging and railing at monarchy, he might still fancy some kind of supporting role? ?If my father asks us for support across the Commonwealth then that is certainly an open discussion,? Harry told ITV?s Tom Bradby in an interview. Two days later, in an interview which aired on ABC?s Good Morning America, he added: ?If there was something in the future where we can continue to support the Commonwealth then that?s of course on the table.?
A royal source says: ?In time, perhaps. There could still be an opportunity down the road, but it will need time for them to settle down and be quiet.?
To that end, Harry might want to lay off what feels like ongoing threats to his family. In his Telegraph interview, he also revealed that he has enough material to write another book, having held back many more revelations about Charles and William which neither would ?ever forgive? him for if they were made public.What is clear from Spare is that his mental turmoil endures to this day and by his own admission, the book is a continuation of his ?mental health journey?.
By Harry?s own admission, there is a ?lot of soap opera? in the book. There is high drama, tragedy and comedy gold, including an anecdote about how Meghan thought Prince Andrew was ?the Queen?s assistant? when she first met the late monarch, and more about Harry?s penis than was expected.
Much has been made of the factual inaccuracies throughout Spare and Harry?s accounts of dates, times and details that simply don?t tally with what actually happened. Last week his ghostwriter, JR Moehringer, tweeted: ?The line between memory and fact is blurry.?
As fascinating as what is in the book, right or wrong, is what isn?t. Harry dedicates many chapters to his two operational tours of Afghanistan, detailing how precious the moments were when he had access to a satellite phone, but describes how his father wasn?t much of a talker, encouraging him to write letters, rather than call. It is one of many details that casts Charles as a remote father, often unable to connect emotionally with his son.But a friend of the King wonders why Harry hasn?t mentioned the weekly care packages he sent to his warrior son at war. ?He used to delight in sending Harry care packages to Afghanistan. He would send a weekly package, injected with humour and his favourite things. He thought long and hard about them,? says the friend. ?Why does Harry not want the world to see that side of his father??
How the next few weeks and months play out will be crucial to the longevity of any family relationships that can be salvaged, but all in royal circles believe the monarchy will weather this storm. A friend of the King?s says of the mood behind palace walls: ?They?re buoyed that the tide has turned here on Harry and people think it?s all so petty. They feel vindicated that much of the public are not taking it all in.?
A former royal aide who was in the eye of several previous royal storms, said: ?It?s a bump in the road. It?s not an abdication. When the Princess of Wales died, people said it would lead to the end of the monarchy. It didn?t. This is a knock, it?s not Armageddon.?
A close friend of both William and Harry?s believes a reconciliation must happen, for the sake of both brothers. ?The silence for now has been the right thing, but this is not going to go away. This has to be resolved and neutralised, so that when William has the top job, his brother isn?t still sniping from the sidelines. I genuinely don?t think this is the end of things. Harry simply cannot do without his brother.?

I don't think it's going to happen. Anyone can 'receive' a suggestion (idea, proposal, advice). 

Apparently Harry has already placed his terms in the mix, conditions. As usual he (or Meghan) conditions are vague, they don't detail who, where, what the apologies they require, multiple times that the public have layed hold on it.

I'm pretty sure there IS another suggested article (there has been too many articles, but I did read it) in similar vein to the above in reference to Samantha vs Meghan, the later wants a mediator to settle.

Can both be related as to where the information is coming from, Montecito team? Maybe, but I have a feeling 'someone' not in that team spilled both articles.

On a personal level, and I suppose a public level too, it might be nice if there could be a reconciliation.  I expect Charles would like that, although I'm not sure anyone else in the family is pining for it.  But I have serious doubts that it can be done, and especially before the Coronation.  Despite Harry's words, I see no sign that he and Meghan are truly interested in reconciling.  Not a real reconciliation.  It seems that what they want is for the Palace to apologize-for not recognizing how special and wonderful Harry and Meghan are, for any perceived slight real or not, and then for the Palace to agree to giving Harry and Meghan whatever they want, including money and possibly roles in the Commonwealth. 

As the article says, Harry and Meghan would also need to acknowledge their own faults and mistakes, and would need to apologize too.  Even more, they would need to agree to turn away from their current path of trashing and telling lies about the monarchy and the family.  I don't think Harry and Meghan are in a place where they are willing to do any of that. 

Obviously, the Palace cannot and will not agree to a one-sided 'reconciliation', and I don't think there's really any need for them to.  The British public is largely sympathetic, and every time Harry and Meghan appear with a new project, they make themselves look worse and less credible.  So even if the family reaches out and makes an attempt, I don't think a true reconciliation will happen anytime soon, if ever.       

 :goodpost:

Perhaps what the King and other family members are really hoping is that Prince Harry will be returned to better mental health so that a reconciliation is possible. It doesn't look like that's possible under the present circumstances. Netflix and all the interviewers and anyone else making money out of his illness have so much to answer for in my honest opinion.

Quote from: TLLK on January 15, 2023, 01:42:40 PM
The Guardian's review of Spare is now available.

Spare by Prince Harry review ? dry your eyes, mate | Autobiography and memoir | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/15/spare-by-prince-harry-review-dry-your-eyes-mate?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other)

Smile and whole world smiles with you, cry and you cry alone. That old adage really has some truth to it, unfeeling as it is. 

Question........how can anyone in the royal family have a reconciliation with Harry if they are leery of any conversation they have that will end up in some book, podcast, interview or another reality show?   There is NO TRUST anymore with Harry nor Meghan as we all know that  Harry is so darn jealous of his brother being first born and the heir to the throne.

Just my opinion here, I think Harry and Meghan want the roles back of the Commonwealth for one reason only, they then can go there, build a home, help the people their way and then someday crown themselves as king and queen of the commonwealth regardless of Charles or William or anyone else, they will have their own royal country, a new royal court, and will fight to keep it.  They do not want to answer to anyone, they are their own people, they want to do as they want, say what they say and be totally free of the *real* royal family .....totally independent of anyone but the 2 of them.

Simple.....you can NOT TRUST either one of them ever again......Charles has to come to terms that he is not a bad father and should not feel guilty about Harry for I seriously believe that is what is going on with him right now.  Guilt over Diana's death, Harry and William not having him around 24/7 to help them with their grief as he could not even help himself over  Diana 's death.   He needs to *let go of Harry* right now to find his own way in life and just turn his back and do the job he was born to do.   I think William has learned that at HM's knees all those Sundays when he visited her for tea and talk. As HM said NO to HIHO to Harry and Meghan then Charles has to do the same now.......regardless of Harry's rants, lies and threats, for I am darn sure there are many in the royal family that know LOTS about Harry and what he has done that is not public news .....YET.  It works both ways yet for now the royal family is letting Harry hang himself one knot at a time all by himself. And that rope is getting tighter and tighter each time he opens his mouth to spew more lies.....and threats.

From Nightowl.
?Just my opinion here, I think Harry and Meghan want the roles back of the Commonwealth for one reason only, they then can go there, build a home, help the people their way and then someday crown themselves as king and queen of the commonwealth regardless of Charles or William or anyone else, they will have their own royal country, a new royal court, and will fight to keep it.  They do not want to answer to anyone, they are their own people, they want to do as they want, say what they say and be totally free of the *real* royal family .....totally independent of anyone but the 2 of them.? End quote.

Is this a serious opinion?
Fact. There are 56 countries in the Commonwealth at this time.

Fact. 36 of those countries are republics, that have very little ro nothing to do with the BRF at all, other than that King Charles is at the moment Ceremonial Head of the Commonwealth. He was elected as such, it is generally accepted, because his mother, the late Queen, wished it.

Fact. There are 15 realms at the moment, of which Charles is Head of State.

( A lot of these are very small islands or confederations of islands in the Caribbean and the Pacific. Many of the larger realms are likely to end up as republics in the Commonwealth. Jamaica has already signalled that it will remove Charles as HOS in the next year or so. And where Jamaica goes more Caribbean realms will follow. Australia will have a referendum in this Govt?s next term.)

As most countries in the Commonwealth are already republics (and ALL members of the RF know this) it is hardly likely that Harry and Meghan would be wishing to be ?King and Queen of the Commonwealth? is it? And as Harry did a Commonwealth tour of the Caribbean (he danced and hugged with the Jamaican Republican PM) and spent part of his gap year in Australia, officially visiting us here on several other occasions, and has also visited NZ and Canada (and NZ has significant republican sentiment), he knows that things are changing even in the realms. The end of Charles?s reign is likely to see few if any realms remaining.

And so what you have suggested is so far beyond the realms of possibility, both constitutionally in those countries and in practical terms, as to be well, ?..

Sorry, but to me as a Commonwealth citizen what you have posted Nightowl, could only be suggested by someone who knows little to nothing of how the Commonwealth works or how it is formulated.

I never said I knew how the commonwealth worked, and I don't so there.  I do think Harry and Meghan want the former roles of the Commonwealth that was given to them by HM before the ugliness hit the fan.  Just ask yourself WHY today they still make comments about them here and there.  That was just  my way of trying to put pen to paper as to why they would still want them today or tomorrow is all. Heck they do not like anyone telling them what to do, do they?  They don't take advice from anyone, it is their way or the highway we have seen time and time again. Look, HM sent many people that worked personally for her to help them and they all got what, fired or left, doesn't anyone wonder why? I sure do! As an adult I still take advice and work on learning something that effects my life, I don't know everything, and hope I never do as I still like learning even when my bread flops and does not rise....just ask KA and Nagi about that.

Oh Thanks for the history lesson on the Commonwealth, that was interesting and appreciated!   

Harry (and Meghan) intentionally are inconsistent, in reference to the Commonwealth too. 

Empire 2.0 (Netflix)
GG of Bermuda (Spare, another blunder)
I would want a part time job in the Commonwealth if Charles asks (Interview 1)
They (Monarchy) will not have me (same question as the above 12 hours difference Interview 2)

The tactic of being an intentional X, is to emotionally abuse firstly the family, followed by friends and the public, in this case because the senior working royals are part and parcel to the constitutional monarchy.

Quote from: Curryong on January 15, 2023, 02:35:51 AM
IF Prince Philip had written books? What? Well he did actually. I can remember the British Press spruiking several of them. They were no doubt entertaining and informative. But no, they didn?t break records. I think he wrote about a dozen actually. But some of them are on the list below.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/duke-of-edinburgh/1652880/

And a list of Charles?s books below. I remember he produced Visions of Britain in a numbered copy very expensive leather edition that didn?t sell particularly well. And of course he cooperated greatly in Jonathon Dimbleby?s book about himself in which he criticised his parents, upbringing, the fact that he had never loved Diana and in the interview accompanying that book outed Camilla as his mistress. From his own lips?old and dear friend?

https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/charles-prince-of-wales/244724/

The 17 Best Books written by the British Royal Family.

The 17 Best Books Written by Royals - Books by Meghan Markle, Kate Middleton & More (https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/g40666343/best-books-written-by-royal-family/)

Yeah, not that kind of books. You know that.

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 15, 2023, 02:53:20 PM
On a personal level, and I suppose a public level too, it might be nice if there could be a reconciliation.  I expect Charles would like that, although I'm not sure anyone else in the family is pining for it.  But I have serious doubts that it can be done, and especially before the Coronation.  Despite Harry's words, I see no sign that he and Meghan are truly interested in reconciling.  Not a real reconciliation.  It seems that what they want is for the Palace to apologize-for not recognizing how special and wonderful Harry and Meghan are, for any perceived slight real or not, and then for the Palace to agree to giving Harry and Meghan whatever they want, including money and possibly roles in the Commonwealth. 

As the article says, Harry and Meghan would also need to acknowledge their own faults and mistakes, and would need to apologize too.  Even more, they would need to agree to turn away from their current path of trashing and telling lies about the monarchy and the family.  I don't think Harry and Meghan are in a place where they are willing to do any of that. 

Obviously, the Palace cannot and will not agree to a one-sided 'reconciliation', and I don't think there's really any need for them to.  The British public is largely sympathetic, and every time Harry and Meghan appear with a new project, they make themselves look worse and less credible.  So even if the family reaches out and makes an attempt, I don't think a true reconciliation will happen anytime soon, if ever.     

I completely agree. I think Charles wants this to end, both for personal reasons and because he doesn?t want this overshadowing his coronation. However, it?s difficult for me to see William apologizing to Harry and Meghan, especially after his interview with the Telegraph where he sounds like he has a Messiah complex and subtly threatens more material.

It really is quite sad to see an adult behaving this way, but here we are. It would be best if everyone took responsibility for their actions, but I think the Royal family is wary behind the actual motive of Harry and Meghan and Harry and Meghan don?t trust the motive behind the actions of the Royals.

^As the BRF should *never* trust Harry and Meghan again, ever.  This is all they have going for them, telling lies, backstabbing, endangering the lives of the royal family, the entire country, the military. writing more books with threatening info about the royal family, more podcasts of nothing and the list goes on forever.  Their fans think all this is OKAY, do more, keep it going, shout to the world how evil the royal family is........this is called *work*, this is helping their charities (what charities?).  All this is doing is making them MONEY as they need money to support a 14 bathroom house for 3 or 4 people.......who flushes all those darn toilets each day to keep them working I wonder and do not tell me that is not done as I had to do that once with 5 bathroom house.......gotta keep the pipes in working order the builder said. They have NO real jobs, they really do nothing of importance to help anyone do they?  They are a waste of human life imho......This: ..........*TRUST* is the most important word in my language, more so than LOVE as without TRUST how can a person honestly LOVE another person? The BRF can never TRUST Harry and Meghan again..just NEVER and I will shout that to the world and back.

I agree with you, but it is doing more than making them money. It is making them more and more famous, which is ultimately important to Meghan. It is also exposing him - how out of touch with reality he is, as well as the state of his emotions, which I find very sad. I think it has been a long time since anyone in the family trusted either of them.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/17/11/66660343-11644065-image-a-4_1673956134587.jpg)

@wannable-Is this the Islamic Republic's "justification" for the recent execution of a UK-Iran dual citizen?   :no:

Alireza Akbari: Iran executes dual British-Iranian citizen | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/14/middleeast/iran-execute-british-iranian-citizen-alireza-akbari-intl-hnk/index.html)

I believe so. They want 24 more, by reading some translated media or they are 'justifying' (Google translate may have context issues) 1 (they call it spy/traitor) and Harry 25.

The Middle Eastern media is more rough and crude in their reporting (in the horror section) (east in this case calls the man a spy/traitor, west human rights advocate, east call harry a terrorist, west calls harry a fool or anything synonym to having a lesser brain)  I started reading east media, because there is a professor I follow in twitter who compares and contrast 'same' news but different cultural/social/political/religious ''view'' of reporting. There will always be innocents involved east and west.

I wish Harry hadn't mentioned this Taliban account (refer to Sandhurst article about the danger of seeing the good and bad people) as I said IMO the gravest part of his book (including now the exact location of several rooms in castles and palaces, military style with how many steps, right/left location, etc)

I'd like to say, it's making them both famous, not just Meghan.

I wish we could get past blaming Meghan for feelings Harry clearly has had before she entered the picture.

Meghan, was fine, living her life, not getting death threats and the BBC making fun of her Americanness and race before meeting Harry. She was able to go home without her neighbors putting cameras facing her back-guard, she didn't have HATE groups dedicated to her, she didn't have Tom Bower going on tv and calling her mother a drug dealer. Meghan has suffered just as much as she gained by being with Harry and I'd be nice in 2023, if we stopped putting the actions of the man on his wife, especially when this man has openly spoken about his distain before. I also give no weight to people and governments who want to call Harry a war criminals when they need to look in their own backyard of what they're doing people. Epically, when he wasn't in said country that chosen to speak up. No one knows if being famous is important to Meghan, because we don't know her but let's not ignore her actual words and to suit how we feel about her.

There is a different between "this is what's important to Meghan" and "I feel like this is what's important to Meghan."

Because it seems to Meghan -And Harry- what's important is that when she's facing abuse, the family she married into would stand by her and support her and it's clear they didn't. Well, I don't believe they did so she owes them as much loyalty as they've actually shown, which is not much. the MP's of the UK have done a better job.

And weight needs to be given to the British tabs who would like to endanger people's lives by putting a spin on it and saying he was boastful, that caused more of a fuss than his actual words.

ALL of that to say

"So, exceptional sales of 20,584 hardback copies of Spare by Prince Harry in Ireland last week. It is the largest ever one-week sale of any non-fiction book since Nielsen started recording numbers. Well done to bookshops for their tremendous job bringing the book to readers."

https://twitter.com/MichaelPenguin/status/1615362157620920320

"Prince Harry's Spare storms into the UK Official Top 50 number one spot, selling 467,183 print copies to become the fastest-selling non-fiction book of all time.
@TransworldBooks says the memoir has sold 750,000 copies across all formats."

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They both made themselves 'infamous' (well known for their bad deeds) rather than 'famous'

Whilst she is married to Harry, legally (universally, as I said twice in different threads) they are 'bound' to each other with 'all' society uniforms.

Everything else Harry and Meghan 'claim' has been and still is shady. From Racism to Domestic Violence, throwing an entire shade with no details of nothing with the who/when/what, hence the reality of Harry book being halved, lawyers.

In reference to Harry and Meghan comments about the realm of the Commonwealth and Harry's Taliban, there is factually situations going on with official reports. It is a 'big ask' to stop putting actions into the couple.  The 'couple' would need to stop putting before 'everyone' else to stop.

Of course the book is #1, I'm glad Penguin has corrected themselves from the fastest sale in 1 day to the corrected since the book 'was' on sale. It's not like Google is our friend and has been on Sale, half price, for free, for whatever promo since Mid-December 2022, hence the new Penguin PR.

$85,000 sold in France so far

https://twitter.com/EditionsFayard/status/1615404769694126084

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 17, 2023, 08:43:10 PM
$85,000 sold in France so far

https://twitter.com/EditionsFayard/status/1615404769694126084

That?s excellent. And it looks as if Harry has a runaway best seller on his hands.

And

Prince Harry?s Spare is fastest-selling nonfiction book since UK records began | Books | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/17/prince-harry-spare-is-fastest-selling-non-fiction-book)

Quote from: Curryong on January 17, 2023, 08:54:34 PM
That?s excellent. And it looks as if Harry has a runaway best seller on his hands.

And

Prince Harry?s Spare is fastest-selling nonfiction book since UK records began | Books | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/17/prince-harry-spare-is-fastest-selling-non-fiction-book)

Yep! And I made a mistake, it was 85,000 sold in the first 5 days. His total in France is 210,000 copies sold with 130,000 additional copies that needed to be printed.

You covered the UK.

"#PrinceHarry?s #Spare is also the fastest-selling non-fiction book in Ireland & the 6th fastest overall. It ?sold 20,584 copies in its 1st week?surpassing the previous record set by Paul O?Connell, whose autobiography The Battle sold 17,800K copies.?"

Prince Harry autobiography Spare becomes Ireland?s fastest-selling non-fiction book ? The Irish Times (https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/2023/01/17/prince-harry-autobiography-spare-becomes-irelands-fastest-selling-non-fiction-book/)

Not bad at all, from 0.5 to 1.2% (of population) wherever his Spare went #1.

^I'm not joking, to break the 1.0 barrier of sales vs population is very hard feat (in books in whatever version, hard, audio, etc)  :flower3: (especially if it's selling your famous family down the river) (Note: the promo isn't The Man whom I've become, it's Two young boys walking behind his mother's coffin...)

Harold's obsession on Willy  :happy20: :laugh10:


416 pages
It was ghostwritten by J. R. Moehringer and published by Penguin Random House. It is 416 pages long.

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Image: Taz

Harold mentions Willy every 1.5 pages

Newsweek's Jack Royston who is typically very positive about the Sussexes asks what their final goal for Spare's publicity.. Is it to sell books? Yes, they've achieved that goal. To rehabilitate their reputation? Then the answer is no and they've managed to damage it even further.

Prince Harry's Book Publicity 'Worst I've Ever Seen' for Reputation?Expert (https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-book-publicity-worst-ever-reputation-expert-spare-1774202)

QuotePrince Harry's book and interviews have left him vulnerable to allegations of hypocrisy, a PR expert told Newsweek.

Spare became the fastest selling non-fiction book in history after shifting 1.4 million copies by the end of its first day, but the publicity campaign has been a "disaster" for his reputation, Edward Coram James said.

The chief executive of PR agency Go Up told Newsweek: "If the brief was just to sell books and get high viewership numbers then they've smashed it. They've done a terrific job. If the brief had a reputational component then that element of it has been a disaster.

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 17, 2023, 03:58:30 PM
I'd like to say, it's making them both famous, not just Meghan.

I wish we could get past blaming Meghan for feelings Harry clearly has had before she entered the picture.

Meghan, was fine, living her life, not getting death threats and the BBC making fun of her Americanness and race before meeting Harry. She was able to go home without her neighbors putting cameras facing her back-guard, she didn't have HATE groups dedicated to her, she didn't have Tom Bower going on tv and calling her mother a drug dealer. Meghan has suffered just as much as she gained by being with Harry and I'd be nice in 2023, if we stopped putting the actions of the man on his wife, especially when this man has openly spoken about his distain before. I also give no weight to people and governments who want to call Harry a war criminals when they need to look in their own backyard of what they're doing people. Epically, when he wasn't in said country that chosen to speak up. No one knows if being famous is important to Meghan, because we don't know her but let's not ignore her actual words and to suit how we feel about her.

There is a different between "this is what's important to Meghan" and "I feel like this is what's important to Meghan."

Because it seems to Meghan -And Harry- what's important is that when she's facing abuse, the family she married into would stand by her and support her and it's clear they didn't. Well, I don't believe they did so she owes them as much loyalty as they've actually shown, which is not much. the MP's of the UK have done a better job.

And weight needs to be given to the British tabs who would like to endanger people's lives by putting a spin on it and saying he was boastful, that caused more of a fuss than his actual words.

ALL of that to say

"So, exceptional sales of 20,584 hardback copies of Spare by Prince Harry in Ireland last week. It is the largest ever one-week sale of any non-fiction book since Nielsen started recording numbers. Well done to bookshops for their tremendous job bringing the book to readers."

https://twitter.com/MichaelPenguin/status/1615362157620920320

"Prince Harry's Spare storms into the UK Official Top 50 number one spot, selling 467,183 print copies to become the fastest-selling non-fiction book of all time.
@TransworldBooks says the memoir has sold 750,000 copies across all formats."

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Are you telling us that the BRF did not support Meghan?  Is that real?  First of all, Charles made darn sure her mother was taken care of before and during the wedding, then Charles walked Meghan half way up the aisle as we all have seen and Harry even said to his dad, *Thanks Pa* or something like that.  And the Queen even sent her own personal staff to help Meghan adjust and Meghan turned them all down as she could do it herself.........Tell me, How is that NOT support?  The British Royal family can not tell the media or the tabloids what to print or who to leave alone or go after, the media and tabloids will do as they please in making sure they get the clicks and dollars, it is after all about MONEY for all parties, more so for Harry and Meghan to support that lifestyle of their with a 14 bathroom house for 3 people......need a bathroom, go visit the Sussex's!

Quote from: Princess Cassandra on January 17, 2023, 04:19:16 AM
I agree with you, but it is doing more than making them mIt is making them more and more famous, which is ultimately important to Meghan.oney.  It is also exposing him - how out of touch with reality he is, as well as the state of his emotions, which I find very sad. I think it has been a long time since anyone in the family trusted either of them.

Yes your right about that, being famous, yet just how good is it to be famous with what they are doing to the royal family, how can anyone feel good about being famous and looking at themselves in history books and on the internet as being famous for telling lies, backstabbing the royal family that gave them millions and  a place in history for helping people that need it. I would be ashamed of myself if that was me. Hurting other people is not something to be proud of in book form or in interviews or reality shows,it is mean and hateful to be that kind of person.

Quote from: Nightowl on January 18, 2023, 12:44:37 AM

Are you telling us that the BRF did not support Meghan?  Is that real?  First of all, Charles made darn sure her mother was taken care of before and during the wedding, then Charles walked Meghan half way up the aisle as we all have seen and Harry even said to his dad, *Thanks Pa* or something like that.  And the Queen even sent her own personal staff to help Meghan adjust and Meghan turned them all down as she could do it herself.........Tell me, How is that NOT support?  The British Royal family can not tell the media or the tabloids what to print or who to leave alone or go after, the media and tabloids will do as they please in making sure they get the clicks and dollars, it is after all about MONEY for all parties, more so for Harry and Meghan to support that lifestyle of their with a 14 bathroom house for 3 people......need a bathroom, go visit the Sussex's!

You feel how you feel, I feel how I feel.

If you feel like the family did enough against the mountain of hate Meghan especially was getting and before the Oprah interview. Way beyond a few funny nicknames or some snarky comments here and there, then you feel that way I don't.

If you believe the family don't work closely with the media and don't have back-handed dealings, you can feel that way. I don't.

I don't know how they're the amount of bathroom's they have got into the mix when they pay for it themselves. I don't care about how many bathroom's they have in their home, just as I don't care about how many bathroom's are in the homes of those who live across the street. And I really don't care about 14 bathrooms, when other people have four or five homes. If they'd like to move into a home with 40 bathrooms for four people, good on them.

If you liked to know more about why I don't feel like they supported her or at best, just didn't care, feel free to message me. I don't mind having the talk but for the forums, it ends at, I don't believe in the image put out and I'm not going to pretend they don't work closely with the media or have 0 pull in anything.


As to the Jack article, to answer Edward Coram James, they wanted to sell, which it did.

Harry wanted to put out his life story himself, which he did. It's pretty obvious imo.

You did not answer my question, all that I said that the family did to support Meghan was real, it is out there and if walking her down the aisle as Charles did is not support then I don't know what is.  Giving her help by HM is not support then tell me what is? There is NO proof that anyone leaked to the media, I have yet to see a paper trail of whomever, William, HM, Charles of anyone else that leaked info to the media nor have I seen that from the Sussex's themselves either.  Oh, Ghosts did it, angles from above leaked stories, or the devil did it.  We can go on and on around a circle on this yet I want FACTS, PROOF and EVIDENCE  of who did what.

And I could care less about interviews as people always LIE to begin with nor do I care about gossip or rumors either or lies. Here is the thing, in telling LIES to always comes back to you tenfold and it is easy to remember the truth for that is out there and can be fact checked all the time as it has been ........as I said here before.....*TRUST* is the most important word in the English language for without Trust you can not love someone or yourself in all honesty. There is totally NO trust in Harry or Meghan now, they are being made fools of by everyone that they interview with as we are seeing......oh the JimmyK book on Harry and his Penis...and his mother....that is really really sad to have someone do that to another person yet Harry brought that all on himself.....not BP nor William nor his dad, HARRY only.

Quote from: Nightowl on January 18, 2023, 01:07:14 AM
You did not answer my question, all that I said that the family did to support Meghan was real, it is out there and if walking her down the aisle as Charles did is not support then I don't know what is.  Giving her help by HM is not support then tell me what is? There is NO proof that anyone leaked to the media, I have yet to see a paper trail of whomever, William, HM, Charles of anyone else that leaked info to the media nor have I seen that from the Sussex's themselves either.  Oh, Ghosts did it, angles from above leaked stories, or the devil did it.  We can go on and on around a circle on this yet I want FACTS, PROOF and EVIDENCE  of who did what.

The facts and proof of Charles?s good friend Camilla leaking erm ?discussing? Charles and Diana?s early married life with Stuart Higgins, the Sun editor, did not happen until he himself mentioned it years later, (and he treated it as an enormous joke actually) in a couple of remarks.
The stuff about Mark Bolland planting stories about how wonderful Charles and Camilla were in comparison to other royals, and other members of the royal family objecting because it made them, and his own sons look bad, similarly wasn?t disclosed until he himself wrote about Camilla?s rehabilitation campaign before and just after the couple?s engagement and into the marriage and its consequences.

He was fired by Charles because other members of the RF objected so much and then a little time later quietly rehired by Charles and Camilla, to work as a ?consultant?. And it?s now accepted throughout the media and royal watchers that things were manipulated and occurred exactly as he said it did.

You may not wish to believe that stuff like Royal Households planting stories with the Press to make other members of the family look bad happen, but the fact is that they do, they have, certainly for the over fifty years of royal-watching that I have done.

All anyone has to do who is naive enough to think that everything in Royal Households is always honourable and above board, is wait, wait until employees leave that particular royal?s Household, or editors and others speak out. And that sometimes takes years. So instant proof of everything that happened with other royals and the Sussexes is not available yet, but just wait and it will be. It sometimes has to brew for a while. It?s no good demanding anything. It takes time.

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And Iran, with its myriad human rights abuses under the aegis of its regime for forty years plus, has no leg to stand on when it comes to accusing any other country or individual of anything!

Quote from: TLLK on January 18, 2023, 12:05:38 AM
Newsweek's Jack Royston who is typically very positive about the Sussexes asks what their final goal for Spare's publicity.. Is it to sell books? Yes, they've achieved that goal. To rehabilitate their reputation? Then the answer is no and they've managed to damage it even further.

Prince Harry's Book Publicity 'Worst I've Ever Seen' for Reputation?Expert (https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-book-publicity-worst-ever-reputation-expert-spare-1774202)

Ufff Newsweek

The British media allegedly has a lot of Sussex dirt that has been stopped by the firm.

Quote from: Curryong on January 18, 2023, 01:41:47 AM
And Iran, with its myriad human rights abuses under the aegis of its regime for forty years plus, has no leg to stand on when it comes to accusing any other country or individual of anything!

It is a Cold War of words.

Quote from: wannable on January 18, 2023, 01:48:19 AM
Ufff Newsweek

The British media allegedly has a lot of Sussex dirt that has been stopped by the firm.

Oh yes? Alleged being the prime word! And Newsweek knows it all, lol! A bit like Neil Sean, are they?

Well, the Sussexes have a lot of dirt on the royal family that the Palace?s  oh so expert lawyers apparently weren?t able to stop. Where are the hundreds of libel suits that commentators like yourself stated were going to rain down on Harry after the book was published?

Couldn?t be can it, that much of what Harry wrote was the truth? Either those hawk eyed Palace lawyers are falling down on the job or???

40 or 400 pages out whoever knows

Prince Harry is dubbed 'stupid' by growing number of top brass for revealing his Taliban kill count after Iran used it to justify hanging Brit citizen amid growing row over the 'maniacal' regime's bid to excuse their 'politically motivated' execution

Quote from: Curryong on January 18, 2023, 01:25:11 AM
The facts and proof of Charles?s good friend Camilla leaking erm ?discussing? Charles and Diana?s early married life with Stuart Higgins, the Sun editor, did not happen until he himself mentioned it years later, (and he treated it as an enormous joke actually) in a couple of remarks.
The stuff about Mark Bolland planting stories about how wonderful Charles and Camilla were in comparison to other royals, and other members of the royal family objecting because it made them, and his own sons look bad, similarly wasn?t disclosed until he himself wrote about Camilla?s rehabilitation campaign before and just after the couple?s engagement and into the marriage and its consequences.

He was fired by Charles because other members of the RF objected so much and then a little time later quietly rehired by Charles and Camilla, to work as a ?consultant?. And it?s now accepted throughout the media and royal watchers that things were manipulated and occurred exactly as he said it did.

You may not wish to believe that stuff like Royal Households planting stories with the Press to make other members of the family look bad happen, but the fact is that they do, they have, certainly for the over fifty years of royal-watching that I have done.

All anyone has to do who is naive enough to think that everything in Royal Households is always honourable and above board, is wait, wait until employees leave that particular royal?s Household, or editors and others speak out. And that sometimes takes years. So instant proof of everything that happened with other royals and the Sussexes is not available yet, but just wait and it will be. It sometimes has to brew for a while. It?s no good demanding anything. It takes time.

Why is it that I can't get a straight answer to my question?  In not acknowledging my question leaves me to think that the fans of the Sussex's somehow can't put a spin on my questions.  So here goes again.......Charles walked Meghan half way down the aisle during her wedding to Harry and Harry even said to dad...*Thanks Pa* or something of that nature.  Then HM sent over her own personal staff to help Meghan in learning about the royal family and the monarchy which all the staff left or got fired by Meghan.......tell me is this *SUPPORT* for Meghan or not? There was lots of support for Meghan yet the thing is, Meghan wanted to do things her way or else and that else was the highway for anyone who did not agree with her holiness.  I am tired of people always blaming the royal family for Meghan and Harry's problems and issues, They do things without thinking all the time as we have seen.    Okay put a spin on it and blame the royal family again......

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 18, 2023, 01:00:12 AM
You feel how you feel, I feel how I feel.

If you feel like the family did enough against the mountain of hate Meghan especially was getting and before the Oprah interview. Way beyond a few funny nicknames or some snarky comments here and there, then you feel that way I don't.

If you believe the family don't work closely with the media and don't have back-handed dealings, you can feel that way. I don't.

I agree with all the points in the post of  changemhmysoul , especially the above. And I will point out, Nightowl,  that Diana supposedly also got a lot of support from other members of the RF, only it turns out that when it mattered she got nothing or next to nothing, from the Queen especially.

Different circumstances, same MO in the end as was used against Meghan, the public ?see how much she is getting help from us? public PR campaign, while private white-anting goes on secretly by other royals and their friends and allies, ending with a ?freeze her out? campaign.

Not everything that people say here in support of the Sussexes is ?spin? as you put it. I, for instance have for years pointed out on this forum,  trying to show that there was little support from other royals when Meghan was pregnant and when the Sussexes were living in the Cotswolds. They were never visited once while there by the Cambridges.

There didn?t appear to be many if any visits by C+C to FC. Nor did the Cambridges call. That?s freezing out in my book and a bit of support from others then and when Meghan had just had her baby or was pregnant might have made all the difference to Meghan?s morale.

Certainly more than the gesture of taking her down the aisle in front of millions, nice though that undoubtedly was, or having photos taken at Archie?s christening for public consumption via the media, albeit looking sour and awkward (the Cambridge facial expressions on that occasion, especially William?s, told it all.)

First of all this is about Meghan only, NOT Diana as I did not mention her in my comment did I? I am not bring up something that happened 20 or 30 or 100 years ago, this is NOW.   And still no answer to my questions........and just how do we know who visited whom, was there an announcement that Charles and Camilla visited the Sussex's anywhere and the same for the Cambridge's, we do NOT know unless someone tells us so assuming there were no visits or proof of visits is just us assuming there where no visits. 

That is not good, it was more than a gesture of Charles doing that for his son, how can anyone deny that?  He graciously walked Meghan half way down the aisle and the world saw that and that was kind and compassionate and sweet of him after all Meghan went through with her father backing out...Charles helped her on her wedding day..to make things easier for her ...There is NOTHING NEGATIVE about that either.  I don't expect any fan of Harry or Meghan to be kind or nice or compassionate to the royal family  as Harry is green with envy over William being first in line for the throne.....his jealousy is so out there and in that book that it smells of it.  Oh the spins are all over the internet about Harry and the other book and even though Harry brought that on himself and has NOBODY to blame but him, that was a very cruel and ugly thing that Jimmy K did on his show........that dirt is something I would expect of Harry and Meghan to do to William yet what JK did was give them a dose of their own medicine in how cruel and hateful they have been to his dad and brother. 

The more Harry opens his mouth the more trouble he creates for himself and Meghan!

Youve received three posts from two posters now on this topic, and whatever we have tried to explain about our POV you have dismissed or called irrelevant. And as for not saying anything nice about other royals I remarked in my last post that Charles taking Meghan part way down the aisle was nice. Did you not read that?
The media in the Fab Four days and afterwards would have been only to happy to report to their readers (via Palace PR) that the four were constantly visiting each other. Instead, nothing from the Press about it. And Harry himself states in Spare that when his brother and sister in law moved into their KP apartment and he was in Nott Cott he expected an invite or two every so often as relatives do.

Instead, nothing, though he could he the nanny wheeling Harry past Nott Cott when he was there again and again. And if that happened when he was single I hardly think that Will and Kate would bother going to Oxfordshire to see a new sister in law they appear to have disliked from the beginning.

And have you actually read Harry?s book? Because saying that his brother is ?trapped in the (royal) system? as he did in a previous interview, a theme that recurs throughout ?Spare?, doesn?t scream envy to me. And I have read the book in its entirety.

Yes, my neighbor bought the book and let me read it, well parts of it as she love Harry and we do not talk of Harry at all.  Tina loves the BRF period, all of them even Andrew.  Gads what I have listened to sometime........I did read your comment and yes your right, you mentioned Charles walking Meghan down the aisle, to me it was not a gesture, it was to help his son and Meghan on their wedding day after her dad pulled the crap he did on her.   It was a very thoughtful thing for Charles to do and that shows me his love for his son even if Harry thinks different.  Maybe both of them need to rewatch their wedding and see and take the feelings with them to a different level now.

I do not think William is trapped in his future role as king, he of all the people in the family was very devoted to HM and he learned from her about his life's role while they has their Sunday get to gathers.  William has grown into a mature man and even with all this hell that Harry is creating I think William will always love his brother yet for right now stay far from him as he can't trust him and no one in the royal family can.   Harry has to make changes now, the ball is in his court so to speak, yet I don't see it ever happening.   I personally know friends that that happened to and the ending was extremely sad and I pray that Harry finds a way back to normal or sane or letting go of all that anger and rage he has, it only hurt him not anyone else.  And don't you think he needs to stop hurting himself now?

Spare went no.1 on Dutch book charts, here is the article but it's in Dutch

Boek prins Harry in Nederland bovenaan bestsellerlijst | IJmuidercourant (https://m.ijmuidercourant.nl/cnt/dmf20230118_40865156?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=/)

And in Germany there were 100,000 copies sold of which about 40,000 were on the first day

Prinz Harry holt Platz 1 bis 3 (https://www.boersenblatt.net/news/bestseller/prinz-harry-holt-platz-1-bis-3-269845)

The book has made Harry and Meghan more unpopular in the USA.  US research survey firm Redfield & Wilton carried out the poll to US Citizens in reference to the book.

The tipping Questions  that sunk the pair

1. Diana's lipbalm to his frozen *****
2. Inclusion of private conversations with his family
3. Princess Charlotte
4. Others; inconsistency with interview or other media claims by the pair.

Prince Harry was liked by 31% and disliked by 38%, net approval -7. Drop 45%
Meghan Markle was liked by 26% and disliked by 39%, net approval -13. Drop 36%

^ As I said the #1 sale of the book is curiosity and gossip, people want to read how he sold his family down the river.

*****
Harry & Meghan's high-profile friends desert couple, afraid personal details will go public

^ To date no high profile friends have given a like through any of the social media or media platforms approving the book.

As to how much support the Sussexes were given by the various family members of the BRF, I'd say it's very likely a matter of "Recollections may vary."   :shrug: Prince Harry's family were at one point in his words,  "The family she's never had." More than likely the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The lack of detail with accusations is #1

It makes it even much harder to believe the Sussexes accusations because basically the BRF gave the couple firsts; Sandringham before marriage, the fastest together duty with the Queen, their own separate office, the fastest new home from something modest.

Then there is the creation of drama for every appearance before and after.

Then there is the fact of using victimhood as a career.

On the truth being somewhere in the middle, that's still not a good look imo. I'm summing it up with this quote, this also doesn't just apply to Clarkson, something Harry mentioned in the promotions of Spare but to Meghan's time in the BRF.

"You can't claim silence is "dignified" when the silence is in response to abuse and racism. You also can't claim the silence is dignified when you have an entire media apparatus instigating that abuse and racism on your behalf.

People from almost every esteemed institution in the United Kingdom condemned Jeremy Clarkson, but the British Royal Family remained silent despite the original op-ed being written in their defense by someone connected to them. That is not dignified silence, that is covert approval."

It's hard for me to believe (just as it's hard for people to believe H&M) that they cared or showed support when not once in in 6 years have they, anyone from the top. The more important people that people love to point out Harry and Meghan are not, are silence.

That silence speaks volumes. It's a silence that might not speak to most people on this forum, royal watchers and etc but it does speak. The message might not be for those that fall into those categories but a world exists outside of that and that silence is heard loud and clear.

Also

Spare is now a New York best seller for both Hardcover and e-books and audio.

https://twitter.com/randomhouse/status/1615835297073307692

Excellent news. People all over the world are buying this book.

What institution? The only concerned parties are involved. Amazon Prime and ITV, his actual employers.

*Silence* well my belief is that *Silence is golden* for we can learn so much by being quiet and listening to others speak. 

Harry grew up in the royal family, he eat with them, played with them, vacationed with them, he did everything with this family and he knows darn well that they will NOT play *tit for tat* either so he shouts to the heavens all his lies.  There is no way anyone can say he has NOT lied for there are so many lies it is pitiful as he can't remember them all and neither can Meghan. 

And books are selling......so what does that tell us?   Harry is making MONEY and that is one of his goals as that is all he knows, he has NO JOB skills and he sure would not flip burgers for a living at min wage now would he?  So keep telling lies and make up gossip about his family to sell more books.  Yet in selling more books beside MONEY what does that say about Harry?  Books of LIES make money yet it does something else and is not good for Harry.....LOL

Quote from: TLLK on January 19, 2023, 12:39:58 AM
As to how much support the Sussexes were given by the various family members of the BRF, I'd say it's very likely a matter of "Recollections may vary."   :shrug: Prince Harry's family were at one point in his words,  "The family she's never had." More than likely the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I saw Charles walking Meghan half way down the aisle,, I saw him make sure Dora was well taken care of during the wedding, I saw a very beautiful wedding put on by the royal family, I read that Harry said to his dad when he handed over Meghan to Harry, *Thanks Pa*,  and so much more......if that is NOT supporting Harry and Meghan I don't know what is. 

That is what families do for their families....and this about Knot Cottage, they are newly weds, did they expect a castle or a palace to live in.....even W/C lived there at one time and they did not complain how small it was nor were they embarrassed by it.  There is certainly nothing wrong with IKEA furniture for a couple of years as that is what most couples do,  start small and build up to something larger in time.....that to me is sensible and a form of planning for the future.

Neither of them are gracious nor have any gratitude for that they have in life, all the money in the world, all the attention and praise from strangers  who are their fans will not help their self-esteem or give them confidence.  They project an emptiness in themselves to me.

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 19, 2023, 03:44:01 AM
On the truth being somewhere in the middle, that's still not a good look imo. I'm summing it up with this quote, this also doesn't just apply to Clarkson, something Harry mentioned in the promotions of Spare but to Meghan's time in the BRF.

"You can't claim silence is "dignified" when the silence is in response to abuse and racism. You also can't claim the silence is dignified when you have an entire media apparatus instigating that abuse and racism on your behalf.

People from almost every esteemed institution in the United Kingdom condemned Jeremy Clarkson, but the British Royal Family remained silent despite the original op-ed being written in their defense by someone connected to them. That is not dignified silence, that is covert approval."

It's hard for me to believe (just as it's hard for people to believe H&M) that they cared or showed support when not once in in 6 years have they, anyone from the top. The more important people that people love to point out Harry and Meghan are not, are silence.

That silence speaks volumes. It's a silence that might not speak to most people on this forum, royal watchers and etc but it does speak. The message might not be for those that fall into those categories but a world exists outside of that and that silence is heard loud and clear.

Also

Spare is now a New York best seller for both Hardcover and e-books and audio.

https://twitter.com/randomhouse/status/1615835297073307692

@changemhysoul - The "top" provided Prince Harry and later the Duke and Duchess of Sussex with the funding to engage the necessary staff and communication team members to assist him/them with crafting and issuing statements to the public and press as well as all of his/their written communication.  That is vital  support and it is well documented that Prince Harry had it there for him since he was an adult. Now that  was there for him and later the couple.  Part of learning your role as a senior royal is consider how and when you wish to make  a public statement. Prince Harry later his fiance then wife had several people working for them to promote their work with their domestic and foreign engagements, their personal announcements ie: pregnancy and birth of Archie. Harry's and later the Sussexes' team did their work in highlighting the couple's programs such as the Invictus Games, The Hub cookbook, Harry's conservation work, Meghan's activities with her patronages etc...The couple also had their own social media account Sussex Royal which is exceptional when your consider the majority of the BRF were covered only by The Royal Family social media. Only two other groups:  Clarence House (Charles/Camilla) and Kensingtion Palace had their accounts.

The monarch has rarely issued public statements regarding the individual adult members of the family who perform royal duties as they know that they have the opportunity and the professionals there to assist them in doing so. As to why the Sussexes chose not to make public statements on a variety of issues that concerned them, only they can answer that question. They had the means and opportunity to do so.

Now as to personal support from the various family members regarding the interpersonal relationships, the "top" tends to stay out of family dynamics unless advice is requested. After all these  are adults who can navigate their own relationships and private interactions.

^ 19 staffers ONLY for the Sussexes located at BP and most importantly chosen by the duo!!!. They too were thrown under the bus (some of them allegedly bullied).  The professional victimhood duo ''nitpick'' even their own staff by stating they were ours ''BUT SINCE'' they were located at Buckingham Palace excuse our paranoia says they are spies...this is why there is Silence, No Tit for Tat.  Narcissists always always seek a word, a phrase, they can play and twist to ''humiliate''. Like no skill writer Jeremy Clarkson, who is better in acting than as a columnist* (later to that).

When an individual has  a pattern of multiple incidents, people start paying attention, it comes to a point of their popularity in both the UK/USA, Queen Camilla for the first time (in BRF history) is above BOTH the Sussexes. Incredible.

In reference to the poor ''communication'' writing skills of Jeremy, his idea lost in context and translation  :happy15: 

He should have wrote it direct in plain and simple English

During Episode 2, Netflix Meghan says Bowing (mocking at the same time) is Medieval.

JC should have, could have said: Since for Meghan bowing and mocking it, is Medieval, during that period it was considered an offense, akin to HBO series Game of Thrones, when Cersei Lannister was made to walk naked for her sins.

Clarkson is an idiot is an idiot is an idiot.  Anyway, to be or not to be, apparently Amazon Prime will show his season 2 and off you go (not easily done and said as he co-owns the several shows he has with that streaming service).

*****
In reference to the Sussexes staffers, Neil Sean said last night that both KP staffers and Sussexes staffers have more than a dozen of notes/letters from Catherine to Meghan offering friendship, assistance, whatever you need.  Tie this to the latest article in reference to Samantha Cohen recommendation to 'all'' staffers to record, cc,  every work requested by the duo or done by the staffers for the duo to protect their jobs (and sanity). Just in case, this is a NORMAL practice in every company worldwide. So, according to Neil, Kate's notes and letters had its copy signed as received by the Sussexes staff, MM rejected them all. Hence also in that latest article in reference to Samantha Cohen, 'the couple, especially Megs, they really didn't want anything to work out since day 1. As a reminder there are receipts of dates/registrations of meetings with Oprah, Netflix, Archewell, SussexRoyal, etc. etc. etc. that DID start since even before the couple got married.

^The Sussexes had 365 days/1 Year to counterattack the media for EACH alleged article they felt minor offended or hugely offended with their staff. What was Sara Latham used for? when Meghan retained her Sunshine Sach, her lawyer, her California ''working'' contacts?!!!  Do not forget, Google is our friend.

The media made 'over exiting' (fact) that Meghan's new Comms secretary Sara Latham worked for many years for Hilary Clinton. That tells one that she ain't incompetent.

64,000 copies sold in Australia during the first week of Spare

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"Silence is betrayal," Harry says.  But Harry and Meghan deliberately implied that the Royal Family is racist in the Oprah interview, by saying that Archie's title and security were tied to race, which is a flat-out lie.  But then they remain silent for almost two years before Harry does an about-face and says he doesn't believe the family is racist, and blames it all on the press instead of accepting any responsibility for his and Meghan's words.  Why didn't they speak out earlier, when the press was questioning William if the family is racist?  They've had a long time to correct the press, if they had wished to. 

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

And the IKEA furniture dig is ridiculous.  There's nothing wrong with IKEA and in any case, Harry neglects to mention that both he and Meghan were millionaires in their right and could have easily bought themselves different furnishings if they had chosen to do so.  I cannot believe a word either of them say.  They seem very dishonest.

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 19, 2023, 05:03:00 PM
"Silence is betrayal," Harry says.  But Harry and Meghan deliberately implied that the Royal Family is racist in the Oprah interview, by saying that Archie's title and security were tied to race, which is a flat-out lie.  But then they remain silent for almost two years before Harry does an about-face and says he doesn't believe the family is racist, and blames it all on the press instead of accepting any responsibility for his and Meghan's words.  Why didn't they speak out earlier, when the press was questioning William if the family is racist?  They've had a long time to correct the press, if they had wished to. 

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

And the IKEA furniture dig is ridiculous.  There's nothing wrong with IKEA and in any case, Harry neglects to mention that both he and Meghan were millionaires in their right and could have easily bought themselves different furnishings if they had chosen to do so.  I cannot believe a word either of them say.  They seem very dishonest.

I mean, at the very least Harry has come out and denied that they were racist. You can say he walked-backed, changed his mind or whatever but he spoken up in defense of them at point (something I don't believe is deserved and he needs to work on understanding racism and uncurious bias are not different. Because it doesn't look like the family or palace staff as worked to better that) and yet, still extreme silence on their side when one of the Queen Consort friend's publicly called for extreme violence on a woman. And I'm sorry but the family had a good 2-3 years on the Oprah interview to do something about that silence. And in my view, way more important than the British Media who said he called the family racist when nor Meghan did. And it is the press's fault, because that's how they chose to spin it. It was just once, the negative spin wasn't hurtful to H&M but to the Royal family.

In the world in which, being called or implied to be racist is worse than than the actual racism, which the family is still mum about. Even then, the Oprah interview was no where as hateful, harmful or inciting violence as what Meghan faced from the moment people found out about her.

So, yeah. Quote still applies, I still stand by what I said. I'm not going to ask why Harry didn't come out bat swinging for his family when they've allowed worse to be said and done in their name, to defend them, to protect them than anything H&M has ever said or people around them have said.

You can believe they're dishonest, just as I feel the family is dishonest.

The IKEA stuff is whatever. Harry was cash-poor and less than stellar digs. Meghan used her own money to fix up the place (something you called out and Harry touched on) and was/is painted as a gold-digger when the house she left was better the cottage. And it's fine for Harry to say he was embarrassed about how his home looked given his background and the homes of his family members. I'm glad he cleared that up but overall, I just don't care enough about that.

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

Mainly, I came back to correct myself.

Spare sold 64,150 copies in the print format and 120,000 copies across all mediums in the first week of sales in Australia.

Me me me me me is the operative word.  The duo cherrypick the BRF because they know the latter will not go low for a tit for tat soap opera, can you imagine if they did - making the Monarchy a branch of the Kardashian type or the Housewives of California.  :sarcastic: rather than the ''Constitutional Monarchy'' of the UK!

The only way to deal with narcissists is to completely ignore them, any bit or piece given, they use it/find a way to humiliate (sadistic, they've done it source: Spare, Tom Bower and Valentine Low's book, Netflix, The Cut too) their victims. The fact is narcissists are treated in halfway houses (as a resident rather than by appointment) or if loose in society/ignore them the most and best possible way to not let them near your loved ones or catch them into their mental illness (for many countries there is a law of making the patient go involuntarily by proof of acts).

Objective fact rather than a subjective theory from the most prominent group of psychiatric individuals worldwide. It takes decades of ''data'' to make it a fact, just saying.

The ^ is a perfect example, Meghan left out (Harry's Spare) that she was reimbursed by the Firm through expense report.  Stating lies to convince people about poor me.  At the same time she wants (also Harry) desperately the tit for tat. They want KP in this particular case to come out with the ''receipts'' of the expense report. The next thing a narcissist will do is ''you see, they gave the expense report to the media, they ''leak'' to the media'' twisting and turning every single thing into a dramatic soap opera. There is many examples of their twisted mind set,

Like Jason, who gave evidence at a court of law. Since it's ''no bueno'' for Meghan, her Sussexsquad, Omid, Jack and Max, the latter 2 no more, were pushing a narrative that Jason is a traitor rather than Meghan lied.   

The conversation about ?silence being betrayal? is an interesting one. I could pick out individual instances and debate them, but I don?t really see the point. What I do wonder is the overall picture this paints of the royal family, not about individuals.

I thought some of the most undignified moments for this family was Charles and Diana going at each other through their respective mouthpieces in the media. It wasn?t so much what they said (even though that was distasteful) but the idea of two very wealthy, privileged people moaning about their personal life. Don?t get me wrong, I know rich, privileged people have problems, too. But do the masses find listening to them complain about it palatable? I tend to believe they don?t.

So, let?s fast forward to Meghan and Harry. Harry wanted the royal family to defend Meghan every time the media ?crossed the line.? But would that have been a wise move from the perspective of the monarchy? To declare war with the papers to protect the feelings of a family member? A relatively minor one at that? And I know, I know, everyone is equal, she?s family, family should protect each other, etc. etc. etc. But let?s not be naive; the royal family isn?t just a family and they?re not just your run of the mill people. Their main job is to ensure the continuation of the monarchy. We may dislike that, think it?s mean, unfair, unkind and any other negative thing, but it doesn?t change the reality that this is the truth.

Protecting the monarchy requires sacrifice. It?s the trade off for having those lovely palaces and privileges. It?s oftentimes cruel and unfair, but the very concept of monarchy is also cruel and unfair. I would actually respect and understand Harry?s perspective if he was saying he wanted the end of the monarchy because it would end the injustice of it all. But he?s not saying that. And I think he?s not saying that because he rather enjoys the good aspects of being a prince. Interesting that he fails to mention the unfairness of him being in such a privileged position even though others are brighter, more creative, talented and just as charismatic.

So back to my original point, if he wants the monarchy to continue, what future does he envision for it if it spends all day defending its individual members that don?t hold the crown? Constantly making themselves seem like martyrs? Constantly making it seem like it?s such an awful burden to be a royal? Putting family members? feelings at the fore instead of the focus being on their acts of service? Does he really think that this would endear the family to the public? Has he even thought beyond the ?my wife?s feelings are hurt? part? I doubt it. It?s not natural to. It takes duty and sacrifice to. I would have thought this had been taught to him since he was a child.

And Harry and Meghan are not the first or only members of the family to do this, by the way. Just the latest and loudest. It?s not a good look.

One thing the Queen seemed to understand better than anyone was exactly that. No one wants to hear privileged people complain. It is not a winning strategy. You try to fight the media, you will lose, and princes need the media now more than ever.

Meghan?s complaints about her treatment by the media may be valid, but Harry is crazy if he thinks his family ?standing up for her? would have made a bit of difference. Or it may have, but certainly not in her favor and most certainly not in the favor of the monarchy.

2011 A future princess practices with a plastic toy tiara with her hairdresser, nobody gets to know until late Nov 2018 (Charles at 70 book release)

2018 A future princess goes bonkers because she had to ask appointment/sign a slip/Angela get two security dudes to watch the tiara which usually if you fill out the appointment request on a Monday, Angela will have it ready in 48 hours. Angela (the latest version) dropped everything she was doing, ran to KP, got MM to sign the slip, but all hell was already broken with the duo because Megs had shown up earlier at BP with her hairdresser asking for the priceless tiara just like that :baby: :baby: (by the book, she has thrown herself several times to the floor crying) in the process Harry 'what happened' - goes bonkers with Megs news (very likely her version cut up and stiched up), the whispering at BP and the Tower of London reaches the janitor who tells Robert, what Meghan wants Meghan gets, still discussed today by the Media and the Sussexes.

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Another example of Individual vs Monarchy. Add in the mix, it is a firm. A company if you will, which has it's rules and regulations.

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 19, 2023, 04:30:19 PM
64,000 copies sold in Australia during the first week of Spare

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No doubt Penguin Publishing is thrilled with these numbers.

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 19, 2023, 05:03:00 PM
"Silence is betrayal," Harry says.  But Harry and Meghan deliberately implied that the Royal Family is racist in the Oprah interview, by saying that Archie's title and security were tied to race, which is a flat-out lie.  But then they remain silent for almost two years before Harry does an about-face and says he doesn't believe the family is racist, and blames it all on the press instead of accepting any responsibility for his and Meghan's words.  Why didn't they speak out earlier, when the press was questioning William if the family is racist?  They've had a long time to correct the press, if they had wished to. 

Silence is betrayal indeed. 

And the IKEA furniture dig is ridiculous.  There's nothing wrong with IKEA and in any case, Harry neglects to mention that both he and Meghan were millionaires in their right and could have easily bought themselves different furnishings if they had chosen to do so.  I cannot believe a word either of them say.  They seem very dishonest.

I have never understood why the Ikea furniture was an issue while the couple lived at NC.

^ Me neither, but then again, most of the things he complains about are perceived through the lens of William always gets treated better than me. Partially true, I?m sure, but a) has no one explained the concept of primogeniture to him? and b) it?s furniture. Get over it.

The Victim narrative, hence they intentionally don't say the full story, half truth, a full lie, a fantasy, take your pick, followed by the precious arts, the royal collection furniture at KP A1 Waleses to engross the reader, watcher, the fan ''I'm a victim''. (William and Kate lived in Nott Cot for 2 years) but Harry says, 'I don't know who lived here, it must have been really short people (but when W&K married and moved to Nott Cot, Harry would hang out with them, then when W&K moved to KPA1, Harry would go breakfast, lunch or dinner frequently, he was single whilst W&K had already George, Maria the Nanny, the housekeeper...) see the cut off parts that are not mentioned. The book is littered with these type of examples.

The ghostwriter is superb, the words are filled with the dramatic effect needed, like with Harry's recollection of the QUeen Mother's death. I was at school, the sun was setting, I felt the warmth, I was all alone, a courtier arrived and told me the news. LOL (My brain is half fried combined with I have to keep up with the victim narrative, William doesn't want to hang out with me) Meanwhile, the real Harold was hugging Pa and Willy at the Klosters Ski Resort.  :orchid:

It is interesting that the  fact that the Wales lived there right up for at least 2 years is glossed over at times.  Harry's aunt Jane and her husband had lived there too.

And immediately after the Cambridges then 2013 (2 years, married 2011) moved out of Nott Cott to A1, Harry moved from CH boy room to Nott Cott (5 minute drive from Clarence House to Nott Cott with his clothing because he stayed with W&K Not Cott furniture)!

Before Harry/After Harold is that before the real Harry said to visit W&K, eat frequently with them at both abodes (NC and A1), to the after Harold, 'whoever lived there, I don't' know who, must have been short'. 🤯

The nagging, whining, poking must (I'm 100% sure) so intense, that after 1 year, Queen's hair was electrocuted, Charles hand was poof like a balloon, they moved to the reconstructed/remodelled Frogmore Cottage.
My 100% source: Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead (click) planning and building control (click) fill in the blank, it's free for public interest Frogmore Cottage, more than a dozen reconstruction/remodelling in a historical context with Royal Crown Estate property, you guessed another FIRST and quickest for Harry. How to create a spoiled monster.

Prince Harry's memoir sold 3.2-plus million copies globally in its first week on sale, according to his publisher. NPD BookScan reported U.S. print sales of 630,000 copies, while in the UK, Nielsen Bookscan reported sales of 467,000 copies

https://twitter.com/xanalter/status/1616158531597500437

That means Penguin Random House recovered (and made moneys) the first part of their invested money on Harry

USD5M divided by 3,200,000 sold books = USD1.56 per book, but the real cost is, to play it safe, half priced from the original cost = recovery of 1/4 of the investment of USD20M deal of 4 books, 1 book out would be USD5M.

Congratulations
(BRF Thrown under the bus xoxo  :hehe: )

I know Harry says Meghan was sobbing on the floor after the bridesmaid dresses issue with Catherine, but did she cry on the floor any other time?

Quote from: TLLK on January 19, 2023, 07:46:42 PM
I have never understood why the Ikea furniture was an issue while the couple lived at NC.

I don't understand the IKEA furniture issue either, but I'm guessing it is either a smear at William and Catherine (Look how fancy-schmancy they are while we are so down to earth), or it's part of the Cinderella theme Harry believes.  Or maybe both.   

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 19, 2023, 11:36:27 PM
I know Harry says Meghan was sobbing on the floor after the bridesmaid dresses issue with Catherine, but did she cry on the floor any other time?

I was under the impression that she was found "sobbing on the floor" a few times, but I could be mistaken.

Quote from: wannable on January 19, 2023, 09:35:24 PM
That means Penguin Random House recovered (and made moneys) the first part of their invested money on Harry

USD5M divided by 3,200,000 sold books = USD1.56 per book, but the real cost is, to play it safe, half priced from the original cost = recovery of 1/4 of the investment of USD20M deal of 4 books, 1 book out would be USD5M.

Congratulations
(BRF Thrown under the bus xoxo  :hehe: )

There were a great many books, e-books and audio books that weren?t on sale however, and those sort of deals are common when a prestige book is about to be published. I?ve seen Obama and Mohelle?s books undergo the same process before the publication release date.

I bought through Kindle on Amazon (simply because for me it is more convenient nowadays for me. I have too many full bookcases.) I paid the full price for Kindle. I know thirty people of my acquaintance and extended family who bought on publication or pre-ordered before publication and NOT ONE of them bought the book on sales.

I asked them specifically that question because of the wittering on this thread from you that Penguin wouldn?t make its money back on ?Spare? and the inferences since (because your speculations were proven to be wrong within a week) that it is only a best seller because the majority of the books have been sold at half price or less. Which is not only untrue but frankly ridiculous!

I asked my husband?s friend who still has a lot of contacts in the book trade after Xmas about how he thought Harry?s book would do, and he told me the direct opposite of your speculative posts on here.

So I guess one of the two of you was completely wrong about how Spare would sell, and guess what, it wasn?t my  husband?s friend!

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 19, 2023, 11:41:16 PM
I don't understand the IKEA furniture issue either, but I'm guessing it is either a smear at William and Catherine (Look how fancy-schmancy they are while we are so down to earth), or it's part of the Cinderella theme Harry believes.  Or maybe both.   

Personally I believe that  the Ikea furniture was  a sound decision as their pieces are often time scaled for smaller rooms/spaces like those at NC. Besides Sussexes knew that they were going to move eventually and would be decorating and furnishing Frogmore Cottage in the future. Reportedly there is a warehouse of sorts that holds the art work, accessories, furniture, rugs etc...that members of the BRF can make use of if they don't mind  the style or taste of previous owners.  Kensington Palace has seen a large number of residents come and go over the centuries, so eventually someone else will occupy NC and bump their heads on the ceiling if they're over six feet tall.

While Americans certainly have no say in determining the future of the Sussexes' titles, the shift in opinions that took place over the last six weeks was astonishing to me.


Now Americans Think Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Should Lose Their Titles (https://www.newsweek.com/americans-think-prince-harry-meghan-markle-lose-royal-titles-1774860)

QuoteAlmost half of Americans believe Prince Harry and Meghan Markle should be stripped of their royal titles, in a dramatic about-turn on a long-standing controversial subject, exclusive polling for Newsweek shows.

The couple were made the Duke and Duchess of Sussex when they married in May 2018 and they continue to refer to themselves using the titles, including on their Archewell website.

Calls have been growing in Britain for them to be stripped of the titles in the wake of their royal exit and in light of a major rift between the couple and the wider royal family.However, as recently as December 5 Americans didn't agree, with 43 percent saying they should keep the titles and 27 percent saying they should lose them.

Those figures have turned upside down in just over a month, with 45 percent now in favor of Harry and Meghan being stripped of their titles, 26 percent opposed and 28 percent responding "don't know," according to the polling by Redfield & Wilton for Newsweek.

The swing follows the release of Prince Harry's memoir Spare and his publicity tour around the book, as well as the broadcast of their Netflix documentary Harry & Meghan, in two parts, on December 8 and 15.

Since then, the world has learned a lot about Prince Harry, and not least of all his frost bitten crown jewels, after he described the memory of his mother wafting back to him as he applied her favored Elizabeth Arden lip cream "down there."

Quote from: TLLK on January 19, 2023, 11:58:56 PM
I was under the impression that she was found "sobbing on the floor" a few times, but I could be mistaken.

If true, that is quite dramatic.  Most people outgrow that by the time they start school.

Quote from: TLLK on January 19, 2023, 11:58:56 PM
I was under the impression that she was found "sobbing on the floor" a few times, but I could be mistaken.

She was also found by Harry sobbing in bed at night. And in case it should be thought that ?Meghan is an actress, she can cry at will? then Valentine Low?s observation on his Twitter page that the summer before the Sussexes left England he had been told (by sources) she ?was in a bad way? might be of interest. He is no friend of the Sussexes and the observation didn?t prevent him from fulfilling the biggest scoop of his career, the bullying allegations by staff of course, but at least he mentioned it.

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 20, 2023, 12:11:07 AM
If true, that is quite dramatic.  Most people outgrow that by the time they start school.

That isn?t so at all. I?m retired now but I was a social worker for decades and I?d hate to think of the numbers of adults of all ages and both sexes, some of them curled up into balls. who have sobbed their hearts out in my office over the years. Everybody is capable of weeping when a crisis hits, when they are feeling miserable however old they are.

Quote from: TLLK on January 20, 2023, 12:08:58 AM
Personally I believe that  the Ikea furniture was  a sound decision as their pieces are often time scaled for smaller rooms/spaces like those at NC. Besides Sussexes knew that they were going to move eventually and would be decorating and furnishing Frogmore Cottage in the future. Reportedly there is a warehouse of sorts that holds the art work, accessories, furniture, rugs etc...that members of the BRF can make use of if they don't mind  the style or taste of previous owners.  Kensington Palace has seen a large number of residents come and go over the centuries, so eventually someone else will occupy NC and bump their heads on the ceiling if they're over six feet tall.

Oh I completely agree.  There's nothing wrong with Ikea furniture, and it might have been more sensible for Nott Cott.  But it just seems that the way Harry brought it up was simply to make people feel sorry for him and Meghan, and to seem as if they were being treated poorly. 

Quote from: Curryong on January 20, 2023, 12:21:50 AM
That isn?t so at all. I?m retired now but I was a social worker for decades and I?d hate to think of the numbers of adults of all ages and both sexes, some of them curled up into balls. who have sobbed their hearts out in my office over the years. Everybody is capable of weeping when a crisis hits, when they are feeling miserable however old they are.

Yes, of course everyone is capable of crying in a crisis-I have myself at the death of loved ones and other crises.  But a grown adult throwing themselves on the floor to cry still seems a bit melodramatic.   

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 20, 2023, 12:30:20 AM
Yes, of course everyone is capable of crying in a crisis-I have myself at the death of loved ones and other crises.  But a grown adult throwing themselves on the floor to cry still seems a bit melodramatic.

Nowhere does it say that Meghan ?threw herself on the floor?, in any sort of melodramatic fashion. A lot of young and youngish adults often sit on the floor in preference to chairs, talking, when using cell phones, reading magazines etc. especially ones from more informal societies than the British. I?ve seen it myself here in Australia. So I would imagine that Meghan was already seated on the floor when she began to cry.

Harry?s book smashes Australian sales records.

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Prince Harry?s memoir Spare sold more than 64,000 print copies in its first week in Australian bookshops, blitzing the previous record for the genre by nearly 45,000.

Nielsen BookScan, which surveys book retailers around the country, reported print sales of 64,150 in the seven days after Spare?s January 11 publication. Nielsen said the previous best-selling autobiography was by television commentator and former NRL player Darren Lockyer, which sold a mere 18,866 copies in its first week when it went on sale in 2011.

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64,000 copies sold in Australia during the first week of Spare

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That only says how much money Harry and Meghan are making, from the way I see it ..*MONEY is their GOD* oh, I know how that is, I was married to GOD at one time, Money was and still is the most important thing in the world to some, Trump is like that as are the Sussex's.  And in case of wondering, I did not get the money, I got something more important, my Freedom.  So here is a question, what does that *say* about Harry/

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 19, 2023, 11:41:16 PM
I don't understand the IKEA furniture issue either, but I'm guessing it is either a smear at William and Catherine (Look how fancy-schmancy they are while we are so down to earth), or it's part of the Cinderella theme Harry believes.  Or maybe both.   

As usual nobody informed Meghan that William and Catherine lived at KC before she and Harry did.  William is taller then Harry right so that remark about who lived there being short was done on purpose and another dig at William by Harry as I am darn sure Harry knew where his brother and wife lived as he VISITED them at KC.....that is just another LIE by Harry.  My question.....why are people so accepting of Harry and Meghan's LIES? Being known as a LAIR shows the type of person you are and that is not a way to make friends and heal wounds.  For those in the US, we all know that T stole 1.6 Billion from the taxpayers so would you vote for him again.....yet he is a LAIR also like Harry and Meghan. What is the deal with IKEA furniture, Harry apparently loved it when he was single living there and *cash poor* since when was Harry with out money? He had millions in the bank from his mother and his dad has and did pay him millions more........go buy your own darn furniture as a grown up man would. And Meghan using her money to improve the place, boy Harry played her for sure if she did that with all his money.

These two are just pitiful and a disgrace to the entire world, rich and famous for lying and backstabbing and living in a huge mansion crying broke all the way to the bank making millions more.......yep Money is their GOD for sure. 

Quote from: TLLK on January 19, 2023, 11:58:56 PM
I was under the impression that she was found "sobbing on the floor" a few times, but I could be mistaken.

Well Meghan is an actress and really knows how to reel them in to suit her purposes.....crying on the floor is a good way appear weak and desperate and lonely...great scene stealer on her part.  I honestly believe she played Harry for the fool he is and she won that gold Welsh ring as her prize.

Quote from: Curryong on January 20, 2023, 12:45:44 AM
Harry?s book smashes Australian sales records.

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Prince Harry?s memoir Spare sold more than 64,000 print copies in its first week in Australian bookshops, blitzing the previous record for the genre by nearly 45,000.

Nielsen BookScan, which surveys book retailers around the country, reported print sales of 64,150 in the seven days after Spare?s January 11 publication. Nielsen said the previous best-selling autobiography was by television commentator and former NRL player Darren Lockyer, which sold a mere 18,866 copies in its first week when it went on sale in 2011.

Why is that so important?  What does that say about the character of Harry? A book of LIES makes money....sad

Quote from: Nightowl on January 20, 2023, 05:59:48 AM

Why is that so important?  What does that say about the character of Harry? A book of LIES makes money....sad

You haven?t read it, not in its entirety, yet you aver that the book is full of lies. I think that?s sad actually.

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 20, 2023, 12:11:07 AM
If true, that is quite dramatic.  Most people outgrow that by the time they start school.

Agree.  Surely only small children throw themselves sobbing on the floor unless it is some terrible sudden tragedy and an adult collapses

Quote from: Curryong on January 20, 2023, 08:10:15 AM
You haven?t read it, not in its entirety, yet you aver that the book is full of lies. I think that?s sad actually.

Harry and Meghan have repeatedly lied, and changed their stories so it is very hard to beleive much of what they say.  Its rather similar, Im afraid with Diana.  She too exaggerated and downright lied at times and said different things at different times so it is hard to be sure when she was telling the truth.

Quote from: Amabel2 on January 20, 2023, 08:31:44 AM
Agree.  Surely only small children throw themselves sobbing on the floor unless it is some terrible sudden tragedy and an adult collapses

Nobody, not even the British media, have stated that Meghan ?threw herself? sobbing on to the floor.

Quote from: Curryong on January 20, 2023, 08:43:53 AM
Nobody, not even the British media, have stated that Meghan ?threw herself? sobbing on to the floor.

If she was lying crying on the floor then presumably she got there somehow.  I can understand someone collapsing in a terrible shock, but generally adults dont lie sobbing on the floor...

Harry found her on the floor. As I posted earlier today there are plenty of young and youngish adults who sit on the floor in informal societies, when phoning, sitting reading or thinking, contemplating things. I myself, before I had a bad knee loved to lie on the floor kicking my heels up and reading a book.

The fact that he found her sobbing AND on the floor doesn?t mean that she threw herself down there in floods of tears. It was in those fraught and worrying days before the wedding when Thomas Markle was playing I?m going to come to the wedding, no I?m not, yes I am? games and Meghan was probably sitting on the floor against the wall as I?ve seen people doing hundreds of times, feeling upset. At no time has anyone, even in the media, who say anything and everything against the Sussexes, stated that she threw herself on the floor!

Sorry but they have furniture, even if its from IKEA.  I cant imagine any adult sitting or lying on the floor, when they have beds, sofas and chairs to lie or sit on. Children do lie on the floor and sob, but that's generally at the throwing tantrums age.

Quote from: Amabel2 on January 20, 2023, 09:16:04 AM
Sorry but they have furniture, even if its from IKEA.  I cant imagine any adult sitting or lying on the floor, when they have beds, sofas and chairs to lie or sit on. Children do lie on the floor and sob, but that's generally at the throwing tantrums age.

Well you can?t imagine me or my family then, or thousands of other Aussies. I preferred lying on  a rug in front of the fire reading on a cold night in my 70s , my nephew by marriage (years older than Meghan) sometimes sits on the floor with his back to a pouffe to watch TV and my grandchildren, including one who?s nearly thirty, often sit on the patio floor talking, with their phones in hand, (and my home and patio are fully furnished.)

Quote from: Curryong on January 20, 2023, 12:07:25 AM
There were a great many books, e-books and audio books that weren?t on sale however, and those sort of deals are common when a prestige book is about to be published. I?ve seen Obama and Mohelle?s books undergo the same process before the publication release date.

I bought through Kindle on Amazon (simply because for me it is more convenient nowadays for me. I have too many full bookcases.) I paid the full price for Kindle. I know thirty people of my acquaintance and extended family who bought on publication or pre-ordered before publication and NOT ONE of them bought the book on sales.

I asked them specifically that question because of the wittering on this thread from you that Penguin wouldn?t make its money back on ?Spare? and the inferences since (because your speculations were proven to be wrong within a week) that it is only a best seller because the majority of the books have been sold at half price or less. Which is not only untrue but frankly ridiculous!

I asked my husband?s friend who still has a lot of contacts in the book trade after Xmas about how he thought Harry?s book would do, and he told me the direct opposite of your speculative posts on here.

So I guess one of the two of you was completely wrong about how Spare would sell, and guess what, it wasn?t my  husband?s friend!

Which part? The book has been on sale from it's original price since launched on internet i.e. Amazon? Hence my comment about playing it safe at half price for the maths.  I also said Penguin recovered the invested moneys (also MADE moneys).  What I didn't calculate in the maths is the fact that other than recovering the investment, meaning not a loss, and gained too, they have to pay the ghostwriter USD1M, the printer, the designer, approx USD500K. 

So which part? The discount sale from original price? or the part where moneys were made?

Google is my friend, anyone can fact check that the book IS on sale. Matter of fact a free audio trial subscription will give you free audio of Spare. That is an Amazon promotion. If you purchased it at full price, IMO that is because you are a Harry super fan. As I originally stated about book lots being stacked, it doesn't mean at that TIME books were ''individually'' purchased, people do tend to wait until a ''sale'' comes, others will wait until it ends up in a charity shop too (and yet the book made the moneys, because at USD 1.25 charity price, selling 3M+books covers the payment of USD5M given to H for delivering the 1st book). 

Now, if you don't agree that he was given USD5M per book.  I don't know what your friend is on about.  The deal is USD20M for 4 books.  No publisher will advance USD20M without delivering YET the 4 books. Publishers pay for what is delivered. 

^ After stating that, the remaining 3 books WILL have to convince the publisher to go ahead or not.  When one sells themselves the way Harry (and Meghan) have done, the entertainment industry WILL want more of your private life. If you don't give it to these people, your done.  Does Harry (and Meghan) have more? Double edge sword, because we know that Penguin lawyers slashed 40 or 400 pages. This only can happen because there is a high possibility of defamation, libel incoming.  Simply put, NO PROOF of his malicious claims. Harry himself in his 400 page interview boasted about 400 pages out, saying it would completely damage his relationship with Pa and Willy. Malignant narcissist.

*****

The book has a US cover price of $36 but was being sold at $22.42

How much is Prince Harry's book Spare?
You can order Prince Harry's memoir online right now through Amazon. The site has it available on sale and ready to order for $23 saving you 38% off the suggested retail price of $36.

Spare is currently retailing at the inflated price of USD33 on the Blackwells website, while Bookshop.org is currently selling the book for USD26.60.

The Kindle edition is currently on sale for USD13.99 on the Amazon website.

I don't want to go deep about Meghan's crying spree and why, one because crying a lot may mean depression or crying a lot for sympathy motive. But I can say that 99% of the crying stories come from the Sussex camp (again Google is my friend: Meghan crying, 20 pages of articles of Meghan crying since 2016)

Meghan cries over unflattering pics of Doria
Meghan cries over her father Thomas
Meghan cries after shopping at Kensington
Meghan cries over the Charlotte debacle
Meghan cries over bust up with Kate
Meghan cries in Netflix episode

ETA: What I can say IS that
Harry: ''What happened''...  :angeldevil1: Incoming tale of MM telling Harry why she's crying. 😭😢

  Yes he is her husband and it's good to share/communicate, but I'm confused in the sense that she for one is an actress, a public person, famous or infamous, Harry ''reacts'' to her crying and has gone public stating cruelty from the family, from the media, from who knows who. That is why I don't want to go on a deep thought about the crying spree.

Quote from: Curryong on January 20, 2023, 12:38:19 AM
Nowhere does it say that Meghan ?threw herself on the floor?, in any sort of melodramatic fashion. A lot of young and youngish adults often sit on the floor in preference to chairs, talking, when using cell phones, reading magazines etc. especially ones from more informal societies than the British. I?ve seen it myself here in Australia. So I would imagine that Meghan was already seated on the floor when she began to cry.

This is possible, true.  But an adult crying on the floor still seems a bit odd to me.


I guess I'm old, cause I greatly prefer chairs, sofas, and beds to the floor!   

No Curryong, I haven't read the book in it's entirety and won't.  I am learning here and elsewhere all I need to know about the book and for years and years now I have seen and watched and read all I need to know that both Harry and Meghan are LAIRS....TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY and there is no way anyone can spin that differently either.  His very treatment of his grandparents while Philip lay dying in a hospital and then his grandmother during her last few years treated like she was not being taken care of by her family who was with her day in and day out. Harry broke the TRUST with his family, not anyone else and he knows they will not play tit for tat with him either so he can say whatever he wants and gets away with it to the enjoyment of his fans.  His LYING is a big part of him now and he can never be trusted again for if anyone is his friend all their conversations might end up on TV in an interview if things go wrong in that friendship.  Hey, let the cards fall where they may and let Karma take bits where she may for it will come back to him someday and we will all see him crash and the end won't be pretty.....later

Quote from: Kristeh-H on January 21, 2023, 12:00:05 AM
This is possible, true.  But an adult crying on the floor still seems a bit odd to me.


I guess I'm old, cause I greatly prefer chairs, sofas, and beds to the floor!

I agree.  Even if its a kid lying sobbing on the floor any parent is going to say Come on, get up none of that yelping on the floor.

Quote from: Nightowl on January 21, 2023, 03:34:19 AM
No Curryong, I haven't read the book in it's entirety and won't.  I am learning here and elsewhere all I need to know about the book and for years and years now I have seen and watched and read all I need to know that both Harry and Meghan are LAIRS....TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY and there is no way anyone can spin that differently either.  His very treatment of his grandparents while Philip lay dying in a hospital and then his grandmother during her last few years treated like she was not being taken care of by her family who was with her day in and day out. Harry broke the TRUST with his family, not anyone else and he knows they will not play tit for tat with him either so he can say whatever he wants and gets away with it to the enjoyment of his fans.  His LYING is a big part of him now and he can never be trusted again for if anyone is his friend all their conversations might end up on TV in an interview if things go wrong in that friendship.  Hey, let the cards fall where they may and let Karma take bits where she may for it will come back to him someday and we will all see him crash and the end won't be pretty.....later

He has crashed already.  the whole set of interviews, books etc since 2020 has shown a very different Harry to the public image of H. and the book shows a man who is out of control, who has been in the throes of a breakdown for years.  People mostly are reading the book to see what weird thing he comes up with next, it is watching a car crash, not wanting  to know anything about his life.  The bitter anger and bias he has shown against most of his family is disturbing esp the attacks on William.  Even those who feel he has a case against his father and stepmother, are probably bewildered by the attacks on his brother who has done nothing but be born 2 years earlier and occasionally tried to rein him in. He claims to be a soldier yet he's afraid for his life when his brother gets annoyed wiht h im?
He accused the family of being racists, even though I'm sure he knew perfectly well that his grandmother was not a racist and that she was spending her last few weeks with her husband who was dying.  He let that shadow lie over the family for 2 years and then said that he hadn't said they were racist. He tells so many lies and so does Meghan.

Prince Harry's revelation about using his mother's favorite brand of skin cream has given the product sales a boost. I guess he could always become a spokesperson for the brand, but I don't believe they'll ask him to model how he used the moisturizer.  :wink:

Sales of Elizabeth Arden cream soar 60% after Prince Harry's 'frost-bitten' penis revelation | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11660879/Sales-Elizabeth-Arden-cream-soar-60-Prince-Harrys-frost-bitten-penis-revelation.html)

QuoteSince Prince Harry revealed his unfortunate 'frost-nipped' debacle in his memoir Spare, his secret cure has been flying off the shelves.

Sales of Elizabeth Arden's Eight Hour Cream Skin Protectant, priced at ?29, has increased by 60 per cent compared to last year according to drugstore giant Boots.

Online searches of the cream have shot up by 180 per cent.

Quote from: Amabel2 on January 21, 2023, 09:37:44 AM
He has crashed already.  the whole set of interviews, books etc since 2020 has shown a very different Harry to the public image of H. and the book shows a man who is out of control, who has been in the throes of a breakdown for years.  People mostly are reading the book to see what weird thing he comes up with next, it is watching a car crash, not wanting  to know anything about his life.  The bitter anger and bias he has shown against most of his family is disturbing esp the attacks on William.  Even those who feel he has a case against his father and stepmother, are probably bewildered by the attacks on his brother who has done nothing but be born 2 years earlier and occasionally tried to rein him in. He claims to be a soldier yet he's afraid for his life when his brother gets annoyed wiht h im?
He accused the family of being racists, even though I'm sure he knew perfectly well that his grandmother was not a racist and that she was spending her last few weeks with her husband who was dying.  He let that shadow lie over the family for 2 years and then said that he hadn't said they were racist. He tells so many lies and so does Meghan.

Yes, he has crashed. I just can't believe his wife, friends, publisher, ghost writer, lawyers, etc, did not stop this train wreck. How could they let his state of mind be exposed and make money from it? Exploitation is alive and well.

^There is only one reason that any of them are not helping Harry right now, they are all in it for the MONEY as they are raking in millions by the people that are buying this book and maybe some are believing what is in the book also.  I was wondering also lately as I was reading other sites that these people, Meghan, lawyers, ghost writers, friends ( what friends as who would be afraid to be his friend if everything they said ended up on an interview), publisher are actually using Harry and letting him purposely act out in rage and anger to go and have a breakdown.  They sure are not doing anything positive to help him are they?  I have a very dear and close friend who lost her son to drugs and she is a somewhat royal watcher and first thing she said to me, Harry is on drugs.  I learn from her about drugs as she is the expert and a professional.  Something is driving Harry to extremes right now and if and when he hits bottom I hope he is still alive and can recover and learn to accept who he is and the responsibility that goes with it..One day at a time and sometimes as Dr. Shelia says, one hour at a time.

Quote from: TLLK on January 21, 2023, 05:14:58 PM
Prince Harry's revelation about using his mother's favorite brand of skin cream has given the product sales a boost. I guess he could always become a spokesperson for the brand, but I don't believe they'll ask him to model how he used the moisturizer.  :wink:

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honestly that's just sick. 

Harry exposing Meghan and Archie, the child is trending in social media, for the wrong reasons. 

Transcript Spare

''When the contractions became more intense, Meghan climbed into the room's bath and also had an epidural for the pain.''

''After just 2 hours, Harry writes the pair returned home to Frogmore Cottage.''

^ You can't have an epidural with water births firstly, so if this is true, her medical team can be sued for malpractice, negligence.

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Can you get an epidural if you have a water birth?
If you deliver your baby in water, you won't be able to have any other type of pain relief, such as an epidural.

It's not possible to have an epidural in water. TENS is electrical stimulation so it's also incompatible with water births.

Science fact, IF you take an epidural, water birth is instantly out.  How do doctors know, 100% negative data affecting the baby to the worst case death of epidurals/water birth.

^Or according to some doctors with official blue checkmark with profile of where they practice, the malpractice, negligence of the team of doctors according to Harry's tale, is they carried on with the malpractice, Harry said there was complications, the umbilical cord tangled to Archie's neck, the doctors were able to loosen it up...

Pain relief = electrical stimulation is not compatible with water (from electrical shock movements to electrocuted death), so it is possible that the umbilical cord was moving with the electrical stimulation, negative data recollected by science hence a fact rather than still studying or theory, choking the baby.

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The Daily Mail has started to make a list of inconsistencies, growing.

Now Harry's flight instructor has denied him, saying H's recollections is a complete fantasy, although the instructor said ''Harry will always have MY ear''. (The instructor Michael is sending a message to H that he is available to give him advice). After the interview with the Instructor, the list of inconsistencies or outright lies.

Harry didn?t say that Meghan had a water birth with Archie. She may well have just popped into the bath for a few minutes while some warm water from the taps was splashed over her tummy. That?s what happened when my daughter had her first child. Labour can take hours and hours sometimes, and whatever makes the mother comfortable for a little while would be fine.

That doesn?t mean that Meghan was fully immersed in water or that Archie was actually born in the bath. In fact I?ll bet a couple of thousand he wasn?t. Meghan was probably in and then out, patted dry and then laid on the bed to have an epidural. Plenty of babies born in my family, my three and four grandchildren, and that description of Harry?s doesn?t resemble a water birth by any stretch of the imagination. And umbilical cords wrapped around babies? necks at birth are by no means rare.

When the contractions became more intense, Meghan climbed into the room's bath and also had an epidural for the pain. Just before Archie's arrival, Harry held Meghan's hand and encouraged her to push. In what he describes as a 'complicated birth', Harry writes that Archie's head became 'tangled' but once safely delivered and wrapped in a towel, the couple cried tears of joy.

During pregnancy, Meghan had worked with an Ayurvedic doctor who said that new babies absorb everything that is said to them in the first minute of life. Harry recounts how he and Meghan simply told Archie how much they loved him. He then watched the birthing team do all the usual checks and held off from messaging anyone.

After just two hours, Harry writes the pair returned home to Frogmore Cottage in the same nondescript car they arrived in.

What the air instructor had to say, glowingly, about Harry as a pilot, no doubt disappointing the Fail.

From the Fail article.

Former Sergeant-Major Booley, 57, served in the military for 33 years and ranks prince Harry as one of his top five students.

He blames ghostwriter John Joseph Moehringer for the inaccuracies, saying the tales have been 'dramatised'.

He also said he did not ever call the prince 'Lt Wales', as is suggested in Spare.

Despite the 'fantasy' in the book, Mr Booley told the paper he still sees the prince as a 'friend', adding he is a 'man I respect immensely who would always have my ear'.

The ghostwriter writes what Harry says. The basic point without the embellishment or drama IS still not true. Especially Harry thinking his instructor wanted to commit suicide.

That the instructor after this defamation, STILL wants to help Harry is very noble.

Quote from: wannable on January 22, 2023, 02:11:57 PM
When the contractions became more intense, Meghan climbed into the room's bath and also had an epidural for the pain. Just before Archie's arrival, Harry held Meghan's hand and encouraged her to push. In what he describes as a 'complicated birth', Harry writes that Archie's head became 'tangled' but once safely delivered and wrapped in a towel, the couple cried tears of joy.

During pregnancy, Meghan had worked with an Ayurvedic doctor who said that new babies absorb everything that is said to them in the first minute of life. Harry recounts how he and Meghan simply told Archie how much they loved him. He then watched the birthing team do all the usual checks and held off from messaging anyone.

After just two hours, Harry writes the pair returned home to Frogmore Cottage in the same nondescript car they arrived in.

Yes, Meghan was in the bath. That does not mean that the bath was full of water and Meghan was immersed up to her chest. And Yes, the placenta got caught around baby Archie?s neck and after the placenta was loosened, something that happens in more births than expected, the family were allowed to go home. So all was well.

It doesn't matter, I can be with one foot in the water, electrical shock ''induced'', what will happen? From electrical shock to fully electrocuted/death.

Quote from: wannable on January 22, 2023, 02:15:26 PM
The ghostwriter writes what Harry says. The basic point without the embellishment or drama IS still not true. Especially Harry thinking his instructor wanted to commit suicide.

That the instructor after this defamation, STILL wants to help Harry is very noble.

Of course Harry didn?t believe that suicide was intended by the instructor or anyone. It?s a bit of typical British black humour.

Meghan was not in the bath or under any water at the time she was given an epidural. Harry doesn?t mention water, he mentions a bath. I got on all fours on the floor with my second baby for a few minutes. It?s where the pregnant mum feels most comfortable.

So, Harry is making a blank statement (again) of Meghan's birth, despite the transcript of the description tending to a bath birth. She entered a bath, had an epidural, he then jumps (jumps meaning he stops detailing) to push Meghan...okay.

Sandhurst and Harry's flight instructor have had to deny Harry's statements in his book ASAP because future generations will think that in both cases, the teaching is 'as Harry sees fit.

Quote from: Curryong on January 22, 2023, 02:27:21 PM
Meghan was not in the bath or under any water at the time she was given an epidural. Harry doesn?t mention water, he mentions a bath. I got on all fours on the floor with my second baby for a few minutes. It?s where the pregnant mum feels most comfortable.

Epidural - NHS (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/epidural/)

I don?t know why you?re talking in that dramatic way about people being electrocuted by an epidural.

From the same official website, search Epidural and water birth (bath or pool) and it is not allowed. The official website will take you to the NCT website with full details.

Quote from: wannable on January 22, 2023, 02:37:02 PM
From the same official website, search Epidural and water birth (bath or pool) and it is not allowed. The official website will take you to the NCT website with full details.

Erm, I?ve had three children and was present at all my four grandchildren?s births as well. And Meghan was in a bath without water. Women go into all sorts of places to get comfortable.

Oops Harry forgot to tell the ghostwriter she entered a bath with no water, hence creating the Archie trend in social media, which is the first trend, the second trend is Archie's birthday 3rd birthday Harry playing Polo and now Pa will have his coronation.

The other day I was angry that Harry used Charlotte, and said if he wanted to use an example, his children.  BUT NO, I'm sorry. These recollections do hurt whoever he involves. From children to family members, to teachers, to the military and so on.

Quote from: wannable on January 22, 2023, 02:44:50 PM
Oops Harry forgot to tell the ghostwriter she entered a bath with no water, hence creating the Archie trend in social media, which is the first trend, the second trend is Archie's birthday 3rd birthday Harry playing Polo and now Pa will have his coronation.

What was wrong with Harry playing polo for part of the day? The family would have gone home and had a birthday tea with a couple of Archie?s friends. At least Harry?s not like Charles who rushed off to play polo as soon as his wife was home from the hospital. And as the Coronation will only last a bit over an hour, it?s not as if all the 3 and 4 year olds in the RF are going to be expected to sit still for hours. Louis is older that Archie and I?ll be surprised if he is brought into the gallery for longer than five minutes at the most.

Honestly, people sitting behind their computer screens or on their phones chattering about that!!

^I agree with your opinion in reference to the second trend of Archie's birthday, it is a backlash of the sussexsquad whom wanted to create a anti coronation trend tied to Archie's birthday. The adverse reaction was with receipts of Harry playing polo, the Santa Barbara Polo website with date/times of his team playing, which took place at Archie's birthday.

https://twitter.com/Sarah79Davis/status/1617128496001589248

British Media and the need to lie to people to get to the quotes they want.

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Quote from: Curryong on January 22, 2023, 02:13:42 PM
What the air instructor had to say, glowingly, about Harry as a pilot, no doubt disappointing the Fail.

From the Fail article.

Former Sergeant-Major Booley, 57, served in the military for 33 years and ranks prince Harry as one of his top five students.

He blames ghostwriter John Joseph Moehringer for the inaccuracies, saying the tales have been 'dramatised'.

He also said he did not ever call the prince 'Lt Wales', as is suggested in Spare.

Despite the 'fantasy' in the book, Mr Booley told the paper he still sees the prince as a 'friend', adding he is a 'man I respect immensely who would always have my ear'.

The original story was in the Mirror, so here's a link to that article. 

Prince Harry's army instructor says story in Spare book is 'complete fantasy' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harrys-army-instructor-says-29017194)

QuotePrince Harry?s dramatic account of a ?suicide? training flight is a fantasy ? says the man who was sitting alongside him.

The royal claims in his autobiography that an Army instructor deliberately stalled their Slingsby T67 Firefly propeller plane without warning.

But ex-Sergeant Major Michael Booley insists every detail of training flights is discussed beforehand.

And he tells the Sunday Mirror: ?I am staggered by this. In shock even.?

His clear version of the incident suggests Harry has come up with yet another porker ? after a string of claims in his book were proven to be inaccurate.

The prince wrote in his controversial bestseller: ?On one of our first flights together, with no warning, Booley threw the aircraft into a stall.I felt the left wing dip, a sickening feeling of disorder, of entropy, and then, after several seconds that felt like decades, he recovered the aircraft and levelled the wings.

?I stared at him. What in the absolute?? Was this an aborted suicide attempt?? No, he said gently. This was the next stage in my training.?

But Michael ? who ranks father-of-two Harry in his top five students ? dismisses the prince?s tale, saying: ?Whilst the book compliments me, the recollection of the sorties and lessons is inaccurate, I?m afraid. It?s important to highlight that nothing in the cockpit comes as a surprise.

?Every sortie is thoroughly briefed beforehand, every single aspect. ?The sortie is flown exactly as per that brief. The only time there are surprises is later in the syllabus, not as stated in the book, when emergencies are introduced.

?Engine failures are practised before the first solo obviously, in case the student suffers one.? Michael, 57, served in the military for 33 years and taught the Duke of Sussex to pilot the Firefly in 2009.

Harry ? who flew Apache attack helicopters in Afghanistan ? was presented with his wings a year later by his father King Charles, Colonel-in-Chief of the Army Air Corps.

While Michael maintains the utmost respect and admiration for Harry, he questions parts of Spare, which was ghostwritten by leading author John Joseph Moehringer.Michael says he never called the royal Lt Wales, as the book claims. He adds: ?I think the reference to the flying sorties has been dramatised. I think it?s a result of the ghost writing. I never called him Lt Wales, he was an officer, and I called him Sir.?

Michael still holds Harry, 38, in extremely high regard and recalls the time they shared a roast lamb for a Sunday lunch.

They were also photographed together in 2009 shortly after Harry graduated from the Defence Elementary Flying Training School.

Michael adds: ?He was an exceptional student, very talented indeed. He is a friend and a man I respect immensely who would always have my ear.?

Michael is not the only former comrade to question Harry?s version of events.

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 22, 2023, 06:28:20 PM
https://twitter.com/Sarah79Davis/status/1617128496001589248

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''I highlighted the inaccuracies of ''flying sorties''.  IT still remains the main issue, rather than Harry thought the instructor wanted to commit to suicide by purposely letting the aparatus go downhill.  The teaching of losing control/going downhill is done academically in theory before any practice flight. Period. It is in his own alleged facebook page.  All sorties are pre discussed before practice. What is hard to understand?

IF he thought it was a suicide joke (interpretation of Curryong 'black joke (dark joke)), he has a huge problem, considering his wife's suicidal thoughts.

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EXCLUSIVE: WhatsApp users share Prince Harry's memoir Spare for free

^True, the Spaniards breaking every rule. I did receive it in Spanish though via Whatsapp group.

It appears that Spare is not selling very well in Montecito in part due to the weather issues at the beginning of the month left residents unable to pick up their copies in person.   Then again the neighbors might have opted to go with an electronic version of the book or simply are not interested. This is a town that lives by a omerta like code of silence about the residents.

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Quote from: TLLK on January 23, 2023, 02:40:40 PM
It appears that Spare is not selling very well in Montecito in part due to the weather issues at the beginning of the month left residents unable to pick up their copies in person.   Then again the neighbors might have opted to go with an electronic version of the book or simply are not interested. This is a town that lives by a omerta like code of silence about the residents.

?Didn?t read it, will not read it?: Harry and Meghan of little interest to Montecito neighbours | Prince Harry | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/21/harry-and-meghan-montecito-california-neighbours)

Why is the Guardian so interested in what people in Montecito are reading is more to the point? So, this book has been selling in the hundreds of thousands all over the world, but our correspondent will go to this little enclave in California and if they haven?t been selling many copies of Spare we can then gloat! What the?! I?d say for a very small bookstore 30 copies sold on pre order was a very reasonable number. And if I had to guess I would say that most Montecito residents who were interested would have ordered a Kindle copy or audio of Spare.

The British press have a fixation on the place where this little family reside. Oh, the residents don?t care for the Sussexes, according to one tabloid report a few weeks ago who found about three supposed residents who said they never see them, and like most Americans, aren?t interested in Royalty anyway. Great!! was the Fail?s response, the whole town loathes them and hopes they?ll leave, then!

It would be quite comical if it wasn?t so downright sad! It would be much much better if these newspapers concentrated on things in the world that really matter rather than retailing gossip about the Sussexes and creating their own narrative from it. I?m not holding my breath though.

An opinion piece from The Cut. Posting here because it deals with Harry's book.

"Harry's refusal to even consider a full break with the institution he criticizes suggests that he's still enamored with the palace and the advantages of royal life. He wants the social cache and validation from the public that he is different from his family, but he also wants the benefits that come from being the Duke of Sussex. (Spare's cover plainly says its author is "Prince Harry.") I feel for Harry and Meghan and all they have endured in the public eye. But Harry's reluctance to take a real stand against the harms of the British monarchy makes it harder to keep rooting for him."

Having already alienated monarchists in the UK, Harry and Meghan are running the risk of losing support of woke Americans which they desperately need.

"Prince Harry Is Upset About the Wrong Thing" - Prince Harry Is Upset About the Wrong Thing (https://archive.ph/Y8fV1)

Rahter silly that they ever thought H was going to make a break with the monarchy

Harry when asked by Anderson Cooper about his titles, H replied what difference would that make?

The interviewer does not reply like The Cut, basically Cooper was silenced in a pre planned recording.

Obviously Harry is not going to give up his titles.  He needs them to remind the world that he is the Kings son, that he called the queen Granny and for years DID have access to the private side of royal life.

"I was brought into the world in case something happened to Willy. I was summoned to provide back-up, distraction, diversion and, if necessary, a spare part. Kidney, perhaps. Blood transfusion. Speck of bone marrow. This was all made explicitly clear to me from the start of life's journey and regularly reinforced thereafter."

Why is he in the line of succession? Why is he a counselor of state? The state of mind that he believes he is body part replacement for King Willy. To write that ''to date'', when there is Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis. 

Here is another non reflection of a 'to date' stating that he is no longer a Spare to the Heir. Edward VIII where are you, hello, come help Harry.

True much of the book shows that Harry if he really believes all the stuff he writes is not in a good mental state. its worrying that apparently for 10 years after Diana's death he believed that she had faked her death. its worrying that he apparetly hit and hurt his bodyguards.
Its not a good sign that he did not know that he had to ask for permission to get married.

He is a case study 📚

Hence the many social media users with programs about M and H. Theory rather than practice. I do not find it wrong.

His ghostwriter liked a short tweet that said Harry is self absorbed.

Case study?  No idea what you mean

With the release of Spare and the less than positive impact that the book and its accompanying publicity interviews have had on Prince Harry's reputation and credibility, the author of this article has some suggestions for the Prince on how he can repair both. IMO the suggestion for Prince Harry to refocus on his work with Invictus and his other charities ie Sentebale would be an excellent way forward to salvage his damaged reputation and credibility.  My personal suggestion: During that time offer up an apology to the Ludgrove school matron for including her story in his book and let the world know that you are aware of the hurt that you've caused by publicly sharing it. It's very likely that Pat has scoliosis which is the same condition that his cousin Princess Eugenie has.

Prince Harry's Attack on the Royal Family Has Backfired Spectacularly (https://www.newsweek.com/prince-harry-attack-royal-family-backfired-spectacularly-book-spare-poll-1775062)

Problem #1-Oversharing and lack of dignity.

QuoteEdward Coram James, chief executive of PR agency Go Up, told Newsweek: "You need to look at what it is about the royal family that people love or that makes them what they are. The underlying attribute is respect.

"If you remove that and you take that away then you're left with nothing really. At that point Harry just becomes like a reality TV star.

"In over-sharing, all of a sudden the respect and admiration he had across the world for being essentially a war hero and a royal is gone and he has managed to unfortunately make himself a laughing stock.

"The question is can he win back that respect and that sense of quiet dignity because that is the only way he can rehabilitate his image.

"I think that some of the damage is pretty irreparable because he has now put it out there and he will be forever associated with Elizabeth Arden cream."

What is particularly striking is that he perhaps should have known just how ill-advised this anecdote was from his own exposure to some of the most sophisticated political operators on the planet, not least of which Barack Obama.

Harry who has?at points at least?been close to the Obamas once interviewed the former President during a guest editorship of high brow U.K. station BBC Radio 4.Sorry," the former leader of the free world replied, "we don't answer those questions."

There is a reason why Obama shut down that discussion and it is because it would have trivialized the serious brand he has built and undermined the sophisticated tone of his existing relationship with the public.

Barack Obama is, for what it's worth, the second-most popular public figure in Britain ahead of every U.K. politician and behind only Queen Elizabeth II, while Michelle is fourth, behind Kate Middleton, according to YouGov. There is one other American in the top ten?Martin Luther King Jr.

In light of that moment, it is very difficult to believe Obama would ever have shared a story equivalent to the one about Harry's experience with frost bite.

Problem #2 The Prince's response regarding racism and the Royal Family after the Oprah interview responses.

QuoteAnother moment that sparked debate in Britain and criticism from quarters that are normally supportive of the couple came when Harry said in promotional interviews that he and Meghan had not accused the royal family of racism.

One of the most famous moments from their Oprah Winfrey interview in March 2021 came when Meghan accused an unnamed royal family members of having "concerns and conversations" about "how dark" her unborn child's skin might be.

Oprah appeared visibly shocked and said "What?" and "Who is having that conversation with you?"

However, when it was suggested to Harry in an ITV interview that he had accused the royals of racism he replied: "No I didn't. The British press said that. Did Meghan ever mention that they're racist?"

Suggestions on how to repair his credibility and regain respect.

QuoteCoram James said: "Step one is very simple. He needs to stop talking. Not just he needs to stop over-talking. Now he needs to stop talking full stop.

"I would be telling him to really lean into his military duties. I'd be telling him to lean into his Invictus Games."

He said the games, for wounded military personnel past and present, had gained Harry "so much respect" on the international stage, which was the "trump card" that could help him rebuild his brand.

Coram James said: "He also needs to make up with his family, probably. The public in general don't like inter-family squabbles. It makes it look like you're the problem."

Schiffer said: "It's not the end of Harry's brand. He can turn it around and the way he turns it around is standing down from the attacks on the king and William and focusing back on the environment and mental health and equality and away from the book."

He added that America loves a "comeback story."

I think that things have gone so far with Harry that any attempts to come back, or apologise for the foolish things he's said would just look like a cynical attempt to get back his public.
I dont think he cares about the ordinary public at all, that's instanced by his mocking at Pat.  He may be concerned for Eugenie, but she's a royal, but an ordinary woman with scoliosis, who is middle aged, not rich or hot, nope. 

Quote from: Curryong on January 09, 2023, 08:47:58 AM
Well, Camilla may not have ?made deals? with the Press but she certainly kept in regular touch with the editor of the Sun tabloid in the very early years of the Charles-Diana marriage, because he admitted as much years later.

He would ring her, discuss certain stories and gossip about the couple and what she believed about it from her knowledge of Charles and his set, and if she stated that she believed so and so info was correct then he would go ahead and print it. This is a very young woman Camilla was reporting on to a tabloid editor, a young woman who had no suspicion that anything of that sort  was going on. Camilla was prepared to go behind Diana?s back to give that tabloid editor information, so who knows what else she has done in that area.

And then there was Mark Bolland, who was brought in at the beginning by Charles and Camilla to whatewash her image and rehabilitate them both. It was both of them who were 100% behind Borland?s campaign to do just that. The campaign partly succeeded but not quite, as Camilla still isn?t a hugely popular royal even today.

Camilla Sums Up Everything That's Wrong With the Royal Family | Opinion (https://www.newsweek.com/camilla-sums-everything-wrong-royal-family-1725050)

Well, thank you for that information. I have no doubt it is true, as you are far more informed than I am. How do you all do it - get to know so much? Anyway, what I mean to say is that her quotes are kindness itself, and media posts say that those who meet her find her to be natural, unaffected, and pleasant. Many comments have been that they have grown to like and respect her. Reading between the lines, I may or may not be correct, but I've come to the opinion that she was not the monster others made her out to be. I think she has been maligned, not least on this site (that, I can verify), and has never behaved badly because of it. As the couple made their way into William and Catherine's wedding you could hear jeers and ugly calls from the crowds outside. As they neared the door (at the end of the steps) you could see (but not hear) Charles asking something of her and she nodded yes. You could see she was putting on a brave front. Next they were filmed from the inside as they came through the entrance, and she had a smile and handshake for the greeters. I felt that said a lot about her. But as I say, I can't claim any extensive behind the scenes knowledge...just my obsevances.

Quote from: Amabel2 on January 24, 2023, 01:12:55 PM
Case study?  No idea what you mean

It means that after 2 years of Megxit, professionals are also making their comments too based on theory, not practice with what availability news directly from the horses mouth.

There is hope for Harry and Meghan

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I don't particularly blame Camilla herself. To borrow the immortal words of Mariah Carey, I don't know her. But what I do know is that her status as "one of the good ones" is a triumph of marketing which doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny.

Quote from: wannable on January 24, 2023, 03:19:54 PM
There is hope for Harry and Meghan

I truly believe that there is hope for the couple to repair their damaged credibility and respect if they follow the sound suggestions discussed in the Newsweek article.

Well if Camilla who has worked for 17 years to repair her reputation is not one of the good ones, what hope is there for teh 2 of them?  If they start being nicer now, IMO its only going to look like they got a shock when they got so many criticisms and they are just fake apologising.

The couple would need to exercise consistency in being goody two shoes and that goes with a truck load of patience = 17 years.

And yes the couple have shown time and again to be nice today, nasty for the next entire month, 1 foot forward, 30 steps back.

And then some people really can't help themselves with advisers et all.  Since Megxit they are surrounded by Yes and Vultures.
Source: Tom Bower and Valentine Low, if you said No you were markled or fired, if something planned and executed by her - and him too went south, pointing of the finger, everyone's fault but not me, you get the picture. Then the biggies PR firm like Sunshine Sach and 'any' law firm really, the big dollars.  They spend their money like water running a broken faucet until the basin that supplies the water runs dry.  Sunshine is out, they're doing their own PR, and there is so many people to sue but no moneys to actually do it (lately). 

I always have a little window of hope for lost causes, perhaps they are happy beings, look some  terrible people enjoy being mean with the host of bad things that are tied to it.

The ink is dry, I find there is a lot of terrible tales, i.e. the Taliban, he started well the first paragraph related ,for those who said at the time that context matters, it sure does, because then it ended worse, based on the conclusion, H does not give a hoot what he did. It's quite mad too, when in a span of two paragraphs he went with like two personalities; introduction was going towards being compassionate (there is everything wrong with this war) to the other Harold, the climax/conclusion of 'I don't give a shooting hoot about this kill (bad people). It is no wonder Sandhurst colleagues and bosses had to put out a statement/article ASAP.

^I will concede to not be so harsh with what he wrote in reference to the Taliban, after reading the Sanhurst counter reply, Harry is Academically challenged.

https://twitter.com/thebookseller/status/1617904059213570048

"Prince Harry's Spare (@TransworldBooks) reigns at the top of the UK Official Top 50 for a second week, selling 82,538 copies for its first full week on the shelves."

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 24, 2023, 06:47:04 PM
https://twitter.com/thebookseller/status/1617904059213570048

"Prince Harry's Spare (@TransworldBooks) reigns at the top of the UK Official Top 50 for a second week, selling 82,538 copies for its first full week on the shelves."

That?s terrific news. Thanks for keeping us up to date on this. Harry?s book is continuing to sell at unprecedented levels.

Quote from: Curryong on January 24, 2023, 07:55:30 PM
That?s terrific news. Thanks for keeping us up to date on this. Harry?s book is continuing to sell at unprecedented levels.

Np, it looks like he's moving along.

After breaking the Guinness world record, it looks as if Harry is moving closer to the 1 million copies sold & an entry into the Nielsen Book 21st Century Platinum Hall of Fame.

I'll also have to link it later but it seems like the conversation after Phillips passing that's detailed in Spare had already been leaked by someone in the royal fold to Robert Lacey that was put into the Battle of Brothers and he talked about it while promoting the book. Spare isn't really new information but a clarification of things.

Quote from: TLLK on January 24, 2023, 03:25:07 PM
I truly believe that there is hope for the couple to repair their damaged credibility and respect if they follow the sound suggestions discussed in the Newsweek article.

I agree with you, but I think that would take a great deal of grace and security in their own identities as people. Based on their own words and actions, it doesn?t seem to be the case for either of them. Rising above things (whether imagined or true) isn?t really in the cards for two people who make a living off of privilege and victimhood.

I agree.   I don?t see either of them being capable of the serenity and insight to realize how privileged  they are and how bad this whining comes across.   People can?t heat their homes and they are complaining about luxuries that only few of us will ever experience. 

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 24, 2023, 06:47:04 PM
https://twitter.com/thebookseller/status/1617904059213570048

"Prince Harry's Spare (@TransworldBooks) reigns at the top of the UK Official Top 50 for a second week, selling 82,538 copies for its first full week on the shelves."

And so more books are sold and Harry makes more money with his LIES and as usual the silly people that don't follow royals or know anything about them will buy the book.

Yet what does that prove about Harry's self worth and reputation?  Some are so money hungry for that proves Harry's worth......yet a person's worth is not based on MONEY, a person's character is based on HONESTY, KINDNESS, COMPASSION, INTEGRITY, you know those good things our parents teach us as children...Harry has NONE of those characters in his heart and soul.  Making fun of a disabled woman is how Harry shows himself to the world.......right?

Quote from: HistoryGirl2 on January 24, 2023, 10:54:46 PM
I agree with you, but I think that would take a great deal of grace and security in their own identities as people. Based on their own words and actions, it doesn?t seem to be the case for either of them. Rising above things (whether imagined or true) isn?t really in the cards for two people who make a living off of privilege and victimhood.

Just how can anyone on this earth believe a word out of their mouths when all they do is tell LIES, one after another.  And they betray the very people that have given them their start in life with millions of dollars.....there is NOTHING in their character to show me they even understand what they did, I am very much under the impression this is all about MONEY since the bank of dad shut down.......Harry has NO skills at all, I have more employment details then he does to go get a job, he flew a helicopter, so what, what will that earn him to support himself, all Harry had was his family time, his stories, his life as a royal prince to tell and that is it period.  So he is making money and that is all he has going for him, who in their right mind would hire him for anything, please tell me?  If things did not go his way, wham, a new interview with whining how things did go his way.  Harry and Meghan BETRAY people, that is a proven fact here....look at how Meghan has betrayed her own family, friends before she got married all of sudden dropped, she is known for being a BULLY, that report is locked away by HM and heaven forbid if it was shown to the world, Both of them are totally UNSTABLE and can never be trusted again, Thank goodness for William I say......he is very emotionally strong and more like his aunt Anne I would like to think....boy to be a fly on the walls when she roars about the hell Harry and Meghan keep creating..

Quote from: Macrobug67 on January 25, 2023, 12:37:59 AM
I agree.   I don?t see either of them being capable of the serenity and insight to realize how privileged  they are and how bad this whining comes across.   People can?t heat their homes and they are complaining about luxuries that only few of us will ever experience.

I totally agree with you, they have NO idea how darn hard it is for the ordinary citizens of this world right now......NONE. This book and any other book or TV show is all about ME,me and more me. Tell me how much time and money have they spent on helping those that need it while living in Ca?  The BRF just keeps on working and doing the job and keeps helping those that need it, as King Charles 3rd did recently in donating all that money to help his country...I shake my head at a 14 bathroom home for that is all about their EGO and ME and ME again.

Quote from: Nightowl on January 25, 2023, 03:21:47 AM
I totally agree with you, they have NO idea how darn hard it is for the ordinary citizens of this world right now......NONE. This book and any other book or TV show is all about ME,me and more me. Tell me how much time and money have they spent on helping those that need it while living in Ca?  The BRF just keeps on working and doing the job and keeps helping those that need it, as King Charles 3rd did recently in donating all that money to help his country...I shake my head at a 14 bathroom home for that is all about their EGO and ME and ME again.

How the RF make their money and some of the unethical ways they?ve maintained and increased it.

King Charles made the royal family richer as England struggles (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/king-charles-made-royal-family-richer-england-struggles-rcna48061)

And some detail about the seemingly oh so generous wind farms donation King Charles announced the other day.

On the surface, this is a positive step ? but some people have approached it with scrutiny.
1. Would the King even have a say over this percentage?
The prime minister, the chancellor and the keeper of the privy purse are all the royal trustees of the sovereign grant, so they decide how much the royals receive from the crown estate, rather than the monarch.
Graham Smith, leader of the anti-monarchy campaign group Republic, suggested that this was ?constitutional theatre?.
According to Sky News, he said: ?He didn?t wish to do anything, he made a statement that reflected an arrangement he had no power to change. And he doesn?t retain anything, because it?s not his to retain and 100% of the profits go to the government.?
2. Is it PR?
Smith also suggested that the wind farm announcement was ?cynical PR to pre-empt a government decision to reduce the percentage?.


These are NOT selfless individuals dedicated to making British citizens lives better.

And the front of Harry?s book details the charities who will benefit from Spare, including a million dollar donation from the profits. 

Just as I expected ...........oh well!   :windsor1:  :orchid:    And Harry still tells LIES, one after another again.....just as I expect him to do as that is all he knows how to do in life, LIE and LIE!   Oh I can't wait for all those LIES to come back to him and bit him in the butttttttt.... :lol:

Quote from: Nightowl on January 25, 2023, 05:23:29 AM
Just as I expected ...........oh well!   :windsor1:  :orchid:    And Harry still tells LIES, one after another again.....just as I expect him to do as that is all he knows how to do in life, LIE and LIE!   Oh I can't wait for all those LIES to come back to him and bit him in the butttttttt.... :lol:

The RF tells lies, only they use Palace PR and financial techniques involving Treasury to do it. Charles hasn?t donated anything ?to help his country?, as was shown in the links I provided below. 

^ You love the Sussex's and as T said at one time, he could commit murder on 5th Avenue and get away with it, the same with the Sussex's right?  I don't like them and the first impression of them was negative on Meghan's part.....that engagement picture of them together as she was sticking out her boobs with a twist of her head and hair......so typical of a Hollywood Starlet walking the red carpet which I have seen many times....just that attitude turned me off and made me leery of them both. Then *Oh nobody ask if I was okay* while in a country were people can't get clean water or food or medical care and Meghan worries that no one is asking about her....give me a *** break Meghan.  Meghan has to be the center of attention at all times when she was a royal....and I am ending Meghan here now for me. 

I don't know everything or even all the tiny details of the royal family and most of them it is not my business to know and I won't claim to know either. I just know that NOBODY is perfect and I am not going to go back 1 year, 10 years or a 100 years pointing out who did what to make it seem like it was OK or bad in today's times.  They the royal family is not perfect at all yet I do believe they care about the country and the people....that is a given for me.  Yes they got rich and richer in time and still do in some ways as all rich people do...there is and will be always rich vs the poor till the end of time, that is what history has shown me, and that will continue forever till there is no more earth left because of climate change which I strongly agree with as I have seen it where I live.   Anyone can produce negative articles about HM or Charles taking from the poor or not giving their fair share......I hope they still pay taxes at least, not like Trump the idiot here.   I don't excuse Charles at all, he was born to be king, hell he had no choice when he was born as none of us do as we can't choice our parents or anything about us as we are created...believe me, I want to be 6 ft tall and am 5 ft tall, damn......so he lives and makes his life the best he can and he has in many ways, the Duchy of Cornwall!   

Harry had choices and those were HIS choices to make so he OWNS all of them, that is his RESPONSIBILITY, not his dad's or brother's.  I am of the firm belief that *Respect is NOT a given because a person has money, power, position or title, it is given by how a person treats others in life* and believe me I live that to this day.....and every day when I walk out my door into the public world.  That was grilled into me by my grandmother and I am a firm believer in grandparents, sure I made mistakes in life like everyone else, yet I learned from those mistakes and know that what I put out to the world will come back to me 10 fold big time.....Boy is Harry and Meghan in for a very rude awakening someday and it won't be pretty either. 

And most of all....MONEY is not my God, I was married to one GOD at one time and so I know all about how rich people think of MONEY.....Harry and Meghan worship MONEY as so many other do.  I have learned to actually hate MONEY as I have seen the evil it creates big time....and still does.

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?Prince Harry's '#Spare' sold more than 195,000 [print] copies in its second week on sale, helping to lift print book sales 1.2% last week over 2022.? (Publisher?s Weekly - US)


Spare also sits on top of the New York best seller list for a second week.

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 27, 2023, 07:54:34 PM
?Prince Harry's '#Spare' sold more than 195,000 [print] copies in its second week on sale, helping to lift print book sales 1.2% last week over 2022.? (Publisher?s Weekly - US)


Spare also sits on top of the New York best seller list for a second week.

At nearly 550K print copies sold in the 1.5 weeks since publication, #Spare is the front runner to become the UK?s bestselling title of the year. It?s fewer than 150K copies away from the volume posted last year by 2022?s bestseller, ?It Ends with Us.?

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 27, 2023, 09:57:53 PM
At nearly 550K print copies sold in the 1.5 weeks since publication, #Spare is the front runner to become the UK?s bestselling title of the year. It?s fewer than 150K copies away from the volume posted last year by 2022?s bestseller, ?It Ends with Us.?

What an achievement. Harry should be so proud of himself that he made all these money by selling off his family and invading their privacy :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Quote from: changemhysoul on January 27, 2023, 09:57:53 PM
At nearly 550K print copies sold in the 1.5 weeks since publication, #Spare is the front runner to become the UK?s bestselling title of the year. It?s fewer than 150K copies away from the volume posted last year by 2022?s bestseller, ?It Ends with Us.?

That?s great. People were predicting low sales especially in the UK. One newspaper published a ?poll? in which their readers stated they weren?t interested. Well, on those numbers there are plenty of British people who are!

Well that shows what is the most important thing in the world for anyone.......MONEY.  At least now Harry and Meghan won't be complaining about dad shutting him off of the Bank of Dad anymore.  They have tons of their own money by telling *lies* about the royal family, great way to earn a living right....Not!  Oh well, for some that is a good way to make money and earn a living and for others it is not...

Quote from: Curryong on January 27, 2023, 10:18:35 PM
That?s great. People were predicting low sales especially in the UK. One newspaper published a ?poll? in which their readers stated they weren?t interested. Well, on those numbers there are plenty of British people who are!

Yep! It's doing great sales wise, which will be a help to WellChild and Sentebale and most importantly, future security cost. The polls though, I laugh little because they never turn out as expected.

Certainly Harry's security costs are of more importance than any charities he might support

Yes, and so nice to see he is paying his own way in life now.  It must hurt growing up at 40 to realize that your parents are not responsible for you anymore and now you pay your own bills. 

He's only doing it because he has to.  I expect some day we will get a wail that he iddnt want to do the book but he had to in order to pay his expenses

#LaBambaNecklaceScene is trending all over social media.

The Film La Bamba, 1987 has two brothers having a heated discussion, big brother breaks little brother's necklace.

I'm pretty sure Harry isn't hurt about having to pay his own way, seeing as he's the one who opted and offered to leave, only asking, at that most for security which is reasonable.

What I am sure hurt him though, is his family cutting off security before the review period was over and before they have confirmed that you found new security but still having the gal to say you and your family are 'much loved members' when you have growing right-wing threats, equal to that of the Queen, hate being whipped up by the media.

So at 40, it must hurt to come to the realization now you have to super scramble to find security has it was cut off before the agreed on time and that, sends a message to you.

But paying his own way overall? He had already planned to do that once he realized that being 'tax-payer' funded was going to become something to be used as a battering ram against him and his family.

Harry pretty much summed up the money thing perfectly in Spare.

As for the #LaBambaNecklaceScene, what social media sites is the trending on? As far as twitter at least, I couldn't find the hashtag and I had to separate it as La Bamba Necklace Scene to be able to find like 7 tweets from earlier this month? And I guess Jimmy Kimmel poked at him but it didn't trend and that's what Jimmy does, is this trending on instagram and facebook? I don't use either of those...I am pretty active on youtube but I didn't see anything much about that. 

Prince Harry's Memoir Spare, is the #1 selling book in the UK for the third consecutive week selling 37K copies via @thebookseller on twitter

Quote from: Amabel2 on January 29, 2023, 10:22:49 AM
He's only doing it because he has to.  I expect some day we will get a wail that he iddnt want to do the book but he had to in order to pay his expenses

I am curious  if he will ever make a statement about regretting Spare. Reportedly neither of his parents had or have publicly stated that they regretted their participation in the writing of their respective and at the time controversial biographies: Charles-The Prince of Wales: A biography by Jonathan Dimbley and Diana-Diana: Her True Story by Andrew Morton.

I think anything is possible once anger has subsided and a more balanced acceptance of reality has taken place.

I dont think so.  Harry's proved that he can swing around from one way to another in a couple of days, so if he did say he regretted the book, it would not mean very much.

He is going to live a similar exiled life like the Duke of Windsor.

He is afraid that during any reconciliation meeting Charles or William will say anything to the media. He's a joke, he already broke the rules by using Gayle and new other 3rd to 5th tier democratic journalists in the USA with no mid or large followers (just follow two or three super royal watchers that are unbiased and whom tweet every single video, article available with their own 350 character comment, one discoveres ''new faces''), but anti-monarchist Harry puppets who are also very new in the subject, their timelines bombarded with from serious to trolling replies with whatever outlandish Harry happening from the book by everyone except the Sussexsquad.

He is proving quite as bad as the DOW.  Like him he has a spite against his family, unlike him, he can "work" at varous things to make money and to go public about his family life....
If he had left without a big row, Oprah etc etc, Im sure the RF woudl have gladly welcomed him back for holidays etc, he would not have been treated chillily like David was.. but he's been louder than the Windsors or any of their generation woudl ever be

The ROW:

The couple's infamous sussexroyal website that had their list of demands simultaneously/during quitting the monarchy...Everyone was stunned they had a return flight to Canada from their Christmas Canadian vacation, straight to the airport for Megs, Harry at Sandringham getting a No for his every sussexroyal website demands.

...for everyone else quitting a job, he blew his luck that the monarch gave them 1 year of LOA (Leave of Absence that one may keep some perks, i.e. half a salary/monthly, go ahead if you find another job no hard feelings because the redundancy severance payment is usually done for legal reasons anyway, and that is it), this is very rare, yes practiced in the oil and gas industry when the barrel goes down like really bad from 100 to 10 USD a barrel, there are LOA's, but very exceptional personnel, like the ones that are super experts working on a rig on ice/Alaska for example. I've seen rehires, but the individual's time previous to a rehire is revised to see if there is basically no police record or any mental health grievances, is a requirement in this industry because of the dangers of working with ''oil and gas'', the other industry similar to this LOA or rehiring (no perk) situation is 'chemical' ind. These 3 industries are the most dangerous in the planet, fact. Hence Harry is ''lucky'' his grandmother gave him 1 year of LOA.

Ouch

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There is no source given for this story of a response from the Archbishop. I didn?t believe the tale of mediation anyway as it had tabloid fairy story written all over it. However, if things appear here that have no links or sources from any viable news outlets, it defeats the purpose. Where?s the source?

Probably the original source is Montecito, and Lamberth Palace has no problem saying No.  :hehe:

(The next one who will say No is ELF, strong rumour)(ELF=Edward Lane Fox)

Harry (and Meghan) want a public apology, they won't get one.

Quote from: wannable on February 01, 2023, 10:05:38 PM
Probably the original source is Montecito, and Lamberth Palace has no problem saying No.  :hehe:

(The next one who will say No is ELF, strong rumour)(ELF=Edward Lane Fox)

Harry (and Meghan) want a public apology, they won't get one.

So basically you posted something on this forum that has no viable source which you can link posters here onto. Where did you get this statement from so I can get to a viable link.

Newspaper cut, subscribe to Paperboy.

Quote from: wannable on February 01, 2023, 10:18:02 PM
Newspaper cut, subscribe to Paperboy.

There are all sorts of outlets describing themselves as newspapers. I?d like a link to this news source please, without subscription. Posters here are required to quote viable sources for statements supposedly from news sources. That?s been stated by Admin here several times. .

^ You posted ''cheatsheet'' ...a blogger

Paperboy is front to back newspapers around the world.  It's legit and from the United Kingdom.

I want a link please to that specific statement and to what news outlet it came from.

I place links to 100%  of articles I quote from.

She is Sasha Walpole, 40, who had known the Prince since her days as a groom at the future King Charles' Gloucestershire estate, Highgrove.

At just over two years the Prince's senior....virginity

^The way Harry wrote in his book about the 'older woman' and the TMI, honestly the majority or everyone thought her to be a cougar, she's one year younger then his wife.

Sasha Walpole is a former Highgrove groom who bonded with Prince Harry over horses and at 40 is happily married to her husband Ian with whom she has two daughters. Her dream of a career  with horses ended during the hoof and mouth disease outbreak, but she now works as a digger driver. Sasha still has a love horses and still owns one.

This story first appeared in the Daily Mail. 'I'm the older woman who took Harry's virginity': Digger driver Sasha Walpole, 40, comes forward | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11713609/Im-older-woman-took-Harrys-virginity-Digger-driver-Sasha-Walpole-40-comes-forward.html)

That text exchange between her and her friend is hilarious lol

Quote from: wannable on February 05, 2023, 01:03:20 PM
She is Sasha Walpole, 40, who had known the Prince since her days as a groom at the future King Charles' Gloucestershire estate, Highgrove.

At just over two years the Prince's senior....virginity

^The way Harry wrote in his book about the 'older woman' and the TMI, honestly the majority or everyone thought her to be a cougar, she's one year younger then his wife.

I think Harry chose to describe Sasha that way because it helped to disguise her identity. Even the tabloids were looking for someone among the older set, like Elizabeth Hurley. I think Rupert Everett spilled the beans about who she was because he knew some of the horsey set around Charles, and in order to interpose himself into all the chatter. And Sasha doesn?t appear to exactly be traumatised by all the attention!

I don't think so.  She didn't seem particularly thrilled when she said that Harry could have warned her he was writing about the event, and that she had kept quiet about it all this time.  I would say that the fact that she did keep quiet would indicate that she would have preferred it to remain private.  After all, if she wanted attention and money, she could have come forward with this story a long time ago. 

No, I think it's just another example of Harry being thoughtless and not respecting someone else's privacy.       

After 4 weeks, #Spare is still No.1 in the UK charts & Amazon UK:
#1 in Books, Biographies, Audiobook, kindle...

I believe it's the same for the NY Best Sellers list, I have to double check for this week but as of last week, that's the truth.

Harry didn't invade her privacy, she invaded it herself and to that I say, more power to her. An older woman who loves horses is the most generic description anyone could give. In the photos released of Harry and three other women, she wasn't the woman who Harry was hanging over but she was standing to the side, eyeing the two up. She also claimed that she didn't know she took his virginity, which means, she doesn't know that she did so for sure. She's just a woman who slept with him and took the chance to make money, which, I say again, if it's worth it, go for it sis! Secure the bag. She's given more details, which Harry didn't give. His first time, is his experience to share, he was vague about it and she could've told the people who supposedly questioned her that she didn't know, or just denied it. I'm sure there were a few women in the circle who could've been getting those questions, namely, the woman he was actually pictured kissing and hugging.

Also, a month on, that story had died down and there wasn't anyone who was checking for her beyond a point (in fact, the media had listed about four other women they said he had his first time with)

So, she outed herself to the world for money. She wanted take credit for taking his virginity, she has some money and a bit of status/fame now. And I say again, secure the bag and your money girlfriend, I'm not mad at it. Let's just not pretend that Harry invaded her privacy.

She wanted the world to know it was her and now we do.

Quote from: Kristeh-H on February 06, 2023, 12:45:21 PM
I don't think so.  She didn't seem particularly thrilled when she said that Harry could have warned her he was writing about the event, and that she had kept quiet about it all this time.  I would say that the fact that she did keep quiet would indicate that she would have preferred it to remain private.  After all, if she wanted attention and money, she could have come forward with this story a long time ago. 

No, I think it's just another example of Harry being thoughtless and not respecting someone else's privacy.     

you mean like his telling everyone that Courtenay Cox had magic mushrooms in her fridge, which he tucked into

Quote from: Amabel2 on February 06, 2023, 01:22:06 PM
you mean like his telling everyone that Courtenay Cox had magic mushrooms in her fridge, which he tucked into

Yep, exactly.  And among other incidences. 

Quote from: changemhysoul on February 06, 2023, 01:17:07 PM
After 4 weeks, #Spare is still No.1 in the UK charts & Amazon UK:
#1 in Books, Biographies, Audiobook, kindle...

I believe it's the same for the NY Best Sellers list, I have to double check for this week but as of last week, that's the truth.

Harry didn't invade her privacy, she invaded it herself and to that I say, more power to her. An older woman who loves horses is the most generic description anyone could give. In the photos released of Harry and three other women, she wasn't the woman who Harry was hanging over but she was standing to the side, eyeing the two up. She also claimed that she didn't know she took his virginity, which means, she doesn't know that she did so for sure. She's just a woman who slept with him and took the chance to make money, which, I say again, if it's worth it, go for it sis! Secure the bag. She's given more details, which Harry didn't give. His first time, is his experience to share, he was vague about it and she could've told the people who supposedly questioned her that she didn't know, or just denied it. I'm sure there were a few women in the circle who could've been getting those questions, namely, the woman he was actually pictured kissing and hugging.

Also, a month on, that story had died down and there wasn't anyone who was checking for her beyond a point (in fact, the media had listed about four other women they said he had his first time with)

So, she outed herself to the world for money. She wanted take credit for taking his virginity, she has some money and a bit of status/fame now. And I say again, secure the bag and your money girlfriend, I'm not mad at it. Let's just not pretend that Harry invaded her privacy.

She wanted the world to know it was her and now we do.

I have to disagree.  I don't believe in double standards for men and women so I'm not judging her or Harry for the encounter, but she did not out herself until Harry described the incident with enough detail that she said people in their circle knew it was her.  The press was nosing around trying to figure out who the 'older woman' was.  Elizabeth Hurley already issued a denial.  Rupert Everett claimed to know the woman's identity.  It would have kept on until her name came out.  I think she decided to come forward just to get it over with and possibly have some element of control over the situation. 

But the fact that she has not talked to the press before now is a strong indication that she did not want the world to know it was her.  And now we do because Harry chose to describe a very intimate and personal encounter--one that involved another person--in his book.  So let's just not pretend that Harry behaved admirably here.         

well I can quite understand why she might have kept quiet for a long time and then agreed it was her, when you see how people are judging her for sleeping with Harry and are now accusing her of enjoying her 15 mins of fame. Rupert Everett is to blame as well, with his gossippy old woman hinting, but Harry was the one who told the story with enough detail for their old pals to know who it was.  If he was going to do that, he should have advised her before he wrote the book.
If she had just wanted a bit of tabloid money, she could have told the story years ago and got a bit of payment for it....Harry had no reason for talking about it.  If he watned to mention the loss of his virginity, he could have just mentioned it briefly and left it at that, and if he wanted to hint who the woman was, he should have told her first.
Its the same as his letting out abt C Cox and her having drugs in her fridge.  HOneslty who does that?  I went to a party at someoen's house, and dipped into her fridge and got off my face on drugs Oh yes she's  a well known Actress with a kid....

I find all of it crass. This is what happens when you open up about personal things so publicly. It?s common-place everywhere, and personally, I find it to be very off-putting.

I dont think people would blame him so much if he were not so insistent on his own privacy and Megs.  would he like it if someone came to their house and wrote that they'd found a stash of drugs in their kitchen?  or if someone popped up and said he had been M's first lover?

No, I don?t suppose he would. And I agree, anything that comes out of you deciding to open up about personal things is no longer within your control.

I would never name names unless I got specific consent from the person that it was okay to print it. Do we know if this was done by Harry for his book at all?

A very small set of people knew it was her, then it escaped to the 'wider' circle and beyond and before a pub goer tells her father, she told him, the Daily Mail knew about it, offered her GBP 75K as it was already going to be DM or any other tabloid. She accepted it.

(She is getting more offers to tell her story, around teenager to 25)

Neil Sean

For what it's worth according to NS, Kristeh-H is correct, IF Harry hadn't mentioned it in his book, Sasha would not have said nothing about it, nor the handful of people that 'initially' had known, but with Harry's TMI, the 'wider' circle did a great educated guess, next thing the whole town knew, and her dad would find out shortly...

^I meant more in regards to the famous people he mentioned by name.

After four weeks, in France Spare went down to No.2 selling 21K copies this week. Still, no.1 in non-fiction.

?Le Suppl?ant?: les m?moires du prince Harry d?j? vendues ? 150.000 exemplaires (https://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/le-suppleant-les-memoires-du-prince-harry-deja-vendues-a-150-000-exemplaires-20230206)

I'll still say the same, she can't claim she was outed by him or her privacy was invaded. If she wanted to get ahead of it leaking, that was fine but it didn't seem as if anyone cared beyond her small circle cared. If she was worried about it getting to her dad, she could've told her dad and denied. It says more about friends or mutual friends that she thought they'd sell the story to the paper and say it was her.

Her name wasn't mentioned, she can't say for sure that she was one he was talking about, and the four line description could've been any woman in that circle (like that actual woman he was pictured kissing).

Just as people say, by Harry talking, he invited himself to be talked about, it same for her. Her little circle isn't the same as doing paid interviews and photoshoots. So, I don't feel sorry for her as if her peroneal privacy was invaded while she went posed for the daily mail and the sun. In fact, I wouldn't want to claim it when it was described as a shameful act and wasn't given more than four lines on the page. I also wouldn't cop to sleeping with a 16 year old (turning 17 soon) as a 19 year old girl. I would've took the cover he gave and ran with it.

But, with the cost of living crisis...and she personally, has 0 issue's putting her name on the front pages (which it hadn't been in the four weeks plus) then I hope she made both those papers pay a pretty penny and she got every single cent out of it. Don't let yourself be low-balled.

Quote from: changemhysoul on February 06, 2023, 08:01:19 PM
After four weeks, in France Spare went down to No.2 selling 21K copies this week. Still, no.1 in non-fiction.

?Le Suppl?ant?: les m?moires du prince Harry d?j? vendues ? 150.000 exemplaires (https://www.lefigaro.fr/medias/le-suppleant-les-memoires-du-prince-harry-deja-vendues-a-150-000-exemplaires-20230206)

I'll still say the same, she can't claim she was outed by him or her privacy was invaded. If she wanted to get ahead of it leaking, that was fine but it didn't seem as if anyone cared beyond her small circle cared. If she was worried about it getting to her dad, she could've told her dad and denied. It says more about friends or mutual friends that she thought they'd sell the story to the paper and say it was her.

Her name wasn't mentioned, she can't say for sure that she was one he was talking about, and the four line description could've been any woman in that circle (like that actual woman he was pictured kissing).

Just as people say, by Harry talking, he invited himself to be talked about, it same for her. Her little circle isn't the same as doing paid interviews and photoshoots. So, I don't feel sorry for her as if her peroneal privacy was invaded while she went posed for the daily mail and the sun. In fact, I wouldn't want to claim it when it was described as a shameful act and wasn't given more than four lines on the page. I also wouldn't cop to sleeping with a 16 year old (turning 17 soon) as a 19 year old girl. I would've took the cover he gave and ran with it.

But, with the cost of living crisis...and she personally, has 0 issue's putting her name on the front pages (which it hadn't been in the four weeks plus) then I hope she made both those papers pay a pretty penny and she got every single cent out of it. Don't let yourself be low-balled.

I still have to disagree.  I think Harry did invade her privacy, absolutely.  It was only a matter of time until her name was widely known, thanks to Harry discussing the matter in his book.  I don't blame her for deciding to come forward instead of just waiting for the sword to fall.  But if she had wanted to tell the story for attention or for money, she's had 21 years to do it.  And she did not.  She has much more integrity than Harry does.     

It?s a part of Harry?s transformation that I find fascinating. If even 10 years ago this woman had decided to sell her story, I feel like he would have been appalled and now he engages in that Kardashian, reality-TV show selling of his personal life. It?s such an interesting and drastic change in lifestyle.

I dont know if Harry has changed.  I think it is just that he has revealed his real self and its not very likable. I think that his bitterness against WIlliam shows that for a long time, he has been nursing an anger against William as the older brother, he has dragged up grudges that he held going back to childhood, that most of us would have forgotten or laughed off, He said 2 years ago or os that he didn't like doing royal duties and did not really want to have to do things like helping the Ghurkas and Im sure that most people thoguht that that tour showed him at his best and showed him as a decent young man who was good at befriending people and working with them..and then he came out that he didnt want to do that sort of job at all.  Im sure that sounded very odd to those who admired his apparent warmth and willingness to muck in and help people.

Well, I meant specifically in terms of privacy. As in, he went from someone that guarded his privacy fiercely to someone that?s willing to tell us what cream he puts on his private parts. Or maybe that was the palace?s inclination and not his own.

well its one thing to reveal things yourself and another to have the press hacking your phone or the like.  but Im sure he knew that he was going to have to reveal a lot of stuff, to make for a best seller book.  that was always on the table that he would tell private things about his family and himself.

I guess he didn?t need money back then, so that makes sense. I forgot about that part.

Its not just that, but when he was a working royal he had restrictions on what he cuold do, and he had staff making sure that he did not say too much or covering up if he was indiscreet.  but that's probably partly why he wanted out.  He didnt see why he had to be careful what he did, and once he was free of the restrictions, he increasingly revealed himself and showed how awful, frankly, he could be. ANd it was obvious that if he left the RF and needed to make an income, the only way he could do so, unless he sold stuff, was to reveal things about himself nad his family, he wasn't going to get million pound deals for writing a book about how he and granny looked at photo albums.

First one to hit back is Sasha, yes with the help of the Daily Mail, they reached out to her because that media outlet already knew it was her. They told her the 2 options; we will pay you and print it or some other media tabloid will print it anyway and no pay.

What are the chances this is the last spewing of Harry (and Meghan)? If they keep up with this path, deliberately provoking and antagonizing, I am 100% sure 'others' will end up like Sasha, hitting back.

I dont quite see how Sasha is hitting back. SHe's confrimed that she was Harry's first girl, she has gotten paid for it, but that is hardly hitting back.

Probably not the appropriate wording, hitting back or maybe appropriate by crisis management to 'other women' who are in the older woman cougar bracket defamed by speculation from the media and social media users too, which Sasha effectively stopped the speculation of these famous 10 to 20 years older ladies.  I've read some psychology ''effect' of what Harry wrote versus the real age issue of Sasha, 2 year 2 week age gap isn't consonant to what the majority or everyone thought of with his story, young stalllion with an 'older woman'.  The word cougar/invented 2000's (2001 to be more precise) age gap 10 to 20 years, Demi and Ashton. 

She will go on stating her friendship with H when he was 13 onward to the quicky day tomorrow (Thursday).

Did Meghan know the full depth of who she was? Yes, she is the ''past'' but the mocking of the age comparison in the worldwide media is hitting back.  She seems too senstive about criticism, so who knows. 

sorry, really can't undersand this.  my mistake, please dont worry

^ You don't have to be. I probably haven't explained myself in a simple and better manner. I will try my best...

Harry is a cad.  He may have not mentioned who the woman is in his book, but he certainly knew that by not mentioning her, media and social media would be suggesting a bunch of women  who could or may have been his virgin breaker.  Sasha is the heroine for all of these women who were dragged by media and social media.

Everyone has their own point of view, IMO Harry's detailed description of his sex encounter equates to a cad.

When I refer to what I've read from psychologists (from medical forums), when sex encounters with no name is done publicly, it is human nature for people to react 'wondering' who Harry is femi-shaming. The second part of psychology is the age of Sasha 40, Meghan 41. Harry by his account and way of thinking is married to a cougar.

The 3rd Sasha is a 19 year old teenager, depressed at the pub, she sees her very recent ex boyfriend with another women at the same pub. Harry the cad takes advantage, plied Sasha with alcohol, has sex with her, doesn't speak to her ever again.

4th A probability of Harry in Montecito: Harry doesn't expect that after 21 years, Sasha would come up as a full grown woman to get hold and own the cad's story.

Harry's description of his first time wasn't detailed, Sasha is the who came out and gave details.

He said, she liked horses, was older, treated him nice and sent him off. That's not a detailed anything.

There weren't that many woman dragged on social media because of the book. Long before his book, the media had already thrown out names and speculated about his first time. Honestly, no really cared about this first time story. That died had died down, no one really cared to look and after four weeks, it's not what was being talked about the most.

No one cared about her or the story beyond it being shocking but once most people got there hands on the book and could read for themselves, it was non-issue.

I also don't think we should say the 16 year old boy, was the one who piled as if he was some predator. They both had five shots according her to, she drank willingly, he kissed her and she saw no reason to kiss him. She was of sound enough mind to that it was an exciting and dangerous and that's why she liked it.

Honestly, saying that he got her drunk to have sex with her is moving on trying to call him a sex offender and I'm not comfortable with that.

Friends, got drinks, got drunk and had set. She's claiming that she was the one, when she didn't even know he was a virgin so she doesn't know if this story is actually about her or not. She's just claiming it because she knows she slept with him.

She was the grown 19 year old.

He was the 16 year old boy.

It was on her as a legal adult to be responsible.

Harry also didn't femi-shame anybody, he didn't say she was a loose women or implied that she had 0 morals, in fact, he shamed himself for not being good at sex.

In fact, she using his new found-fame to talk down about another woman (Meghan) by saying Harry traded down. So instead of attacking Harry (because she chose to out herself), she's now attacking his wife who wasn't here and had nothing to do with her beef.

And this is all the while, she went after willing slept with a 16 year old boy, who wasn't even pictured kissing and hugging on her but another woman while she stared at them from off to the side.

She's allowed to feel however she feels (while talking down about a woman she never met AND claiming that Harry did something to her) but let's not pretend she was na?ve girl lead-astray by the big bad Prince.

At 19 years old, she made the choice to sleep with a kid.

At 40 years old, she made the choice to out herself to the international world on a very generic story that didn't have named and using the chance to go on Piers Morgan TV show and belittle another woman who Piers has constantly belittled as if 1. she couldn't have said, "yeah, I hung out with Harry but I can't confirm that I'm the one who he had his first time with"

2. Deal with the fact that she can't trust the friends in her life and circle to keep quiet about her private business.

I was completely fine with Sasha speaking up until she decided to belittled Meghan by saying Harry married down, Meghan wasn't the 19 year old who thought it would be best to sleep with a 16 year old kid.

Edit- Not only that, she was also a a woman chose to accept drinks from an underage boy.

Harry and Sasha were friends from H age 13 to 17, not 16, Sasha then was 15 to 19.  Spare and Google is our friend, it was when he was 17 not 16.

Sasha will be interviewed tonight at 9 p.m. BST.

Harry knew very well that by describing his virgnity breaking encounter femi shaming the woman would make the media and social media ''react'' searching for the woman. In the process which he knew, a bunch of women were dragged.  He knows=the fool was told by Penguin, by the ghostwriter, by everyone around him.

According to US Weekly Harry wants this story to go away and die down quickly, because he didn't expect after 21 years that Sasha would come out to own the cad's story!. Allegedly he asked his lawyers if he can sue her, he can't, he opened the can of worms. Good!

Did she actually say he married down? Because if that?s true, that?s absolutely laughable. What exactly would he have that would make Meghan unworthy?

She was joking;

We have a lot in common, we call him H.
We like a drink
We traded down

And provocative too, making a public invitation to H for alcoholic drinks.

Quote from: changemhysoul on February 09, 2023, 05:34:14 PM
Harry's description of his first time wasn't detailed, Sasha is the who came out and gave details.

He said, she liked horses, was older, treated him nice and sent him off. That's not a detailed anything.

There weren't that many woman dragged on social media because of the book. Long before his book, the media had already thrown out names and speculated about his first time. Honestly, no really cared about this first time story. That died had died down, no one really cared to look and after four weeks, it's not what was being talked about the most.

No one cared about her or the story beyond it being shocking but once most people got there hands on the book and could read for themselves, it was non-issue.

I also don't think we should say the 16 year old boy, was the one who piled as if he was some predator. They both had five shots according her to, she drank willingly, he kissed her and she saw no reason to kiss him. She was of sound enough mind to that it was an exciting and dangerous and that's why she liked it.

Honestly, saying that he got her drunk to have sex with her is moving on trying to call him a sex offender and I'm not comfortable with that.

Friends, got drinks, got drunk and had set. She's claiming that she was the one, when she didn't even know he was a virgin so she doesn't know if this story is actually about her or not. She's just claiming it because she knows she slept with him.

She was the grown 19 year old.

He was the 16 year old boy.

It was on her as a legal adult to be responsible.

Harry also didn't femi-shame anybody, he didn't say she was a loose women or implied that she had 0 morals, in fact, he shamed himself for not being good at sex.

In fact, she using his new found-fame to talk down about another woman (Meghan) by saying Harry traded down. So instead of attacking Harry (because she chose to out herself), she's now attacking his wife who wasn't here and had nothing to do with her beef.

And this is all the while, she went after willing slept with a 16 year old boy, who wasn't even pictured kissing and hugging on her but another woman while she stared at them from off to the side.

She's allowed to feel however she feels (while talking down about a woman she never met AND claiming that Harry did something to her) but let's not pretend she was na?ve girl lead-astray by the big bad Prince.

At 19 years old, she made the choice to sleep with a kid.

At 40 years old, she made the choice to out herself to the international world on a very generic story that didn't have named and using the chance to go on Piers Morgan TV show and belittle another woman who Piers has constantly belittled as if 1. she couldn't have said, "yeah, I hung out with Harry but I can't confirm that I'm the one who he had his first time with"

2. Deal with the fact that she can't trust the friends in her life and circle to keep quiet about her private business.

I was completely fine with Sasha speaking up until she decided to belittled Meghan by saying Harry married down, Meghan wasn't the 19 year old who thought it would be best to sleep with a 16 year old kid.

Edit- Not only that, she was also a a woman chose to accept drinks from an underage boy.

Just would like to point out that Harry was of the age of consent in the UK when their encounter took place.

IMO both of them provided details of that evening that truly no one ever needed to know about. Harry didn't need to write about it in his memoir for me to have a better understanding of "the man he had become. "   :unsure:   Harry  and Sasha chosen to keep silent for 21 years and I wish that it could have stayed so.

^ I think keeping silent does more damage to the bunch of much older women who were dragged by the media and social media. I understand the media even included in the list a suicide female presenter?!

Sasha is doing a Shakira (her latest song, which broke all records, first woman in everything in the music industry)

''woman don't cry anymore, woman get paid'' session 53 with Bizarrap

I actually made myself watch the Piers Morgan interview with Sasha because I knew he would try his hardest and then some to persuade/make/trick her into saying that Harry was a terrible and disgusting person. Well she didn?t. He tried every way he could and in spite of the slight bit of criticism of Harry not warning her about appearing in his book (which I think he should have if he intending to write about the event) Sasha remained casual, quite lighthearted about it and made it clear that H had been her friend and they had had a lot of fun together. So Piers was left with nothing.

And Sasha was clearly joking about Meghan. And we don?t know whether Harry was 16 or 17 at the time. His birthday is at the latter end of the year, in September, don?t know when hers was. Don?t know the date of the event.

And Just one other little detail. If Harry was a regular drinker at that pub, whether he was 16 or 17, the landlord should not have been serving him drinks. He was under age, he knew it, William, who was in the pub at the time knew it and the Princes? RPOs knew it, and so presumably did the bar staff.

https://www.gov.uk/alcohol-young-people-law

Quote from: Curryong on February 10, 2023, 09:58:08 PM
I actually made myself watch the Piers Morgan interview with Sasha because I knew he would try his hardest and then some to persuade/make/trick her into saying that Harry was a terrible and disgusting person. Well she didn?t. He tried every way he could and in spite of the slight bit of criticism of Harry not warning her about appearing in his book (which I think he should have if he intending to write about the event) Sasha remained casual, quite lighthearted about it and made it clear that H had been her friend and they had had a lot of fun together. So Piers was left with nothing.

And Sasha was clearly joking about Meghan. And we don?t know whether Harry was 16 or 17 at the time. His birthday is at the latter end of the year, in September, don?t know when hers was. Don?t know the date of the event.

And Just one other little detail. If Harry was a regular drinker at that pub, whether he was 16 or 17, the landlord should not have been serving him drinks. He was under age, he knew it, William, who was in the pub at the time knew it and the Princes? RPOs knew it, and so presumably did the bar staff.




https://www.gov.uk/alcohol-young-people-law

Definitely agree with the bolded section that the landlord should not have been serving underage drinkers. The legal age for drinking in the UK and the majority of Europe is 18, so it was just going to be a couple of years until Harry would have been a legal paying customer. 

Now as to the RPOs' responsibility, it appears to me that they had a good deal of latitude with the brothers during their adolescence and adulthood. From what I understand  they were only to step in if there was an immediate danger to their charges. I'm guessing that Charles decided to have his sons treated by their security personnel in a similar manner that he and his siblings were granted. Based upon what I've read it seems that most young royals or the children of high ranking public figures ie POTUS children, their security personnel give them similar treatment.

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