Prince Harry as King: Bachelor Prince Picked by Queen Over Prince William - Reports - International Business Times (http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/557760/20140702/prince-harry-next-king-30th-birthday-william.htm)
William, you'll never be king now!!! :snob: :snob: :lol: : :windsor1: :orchid: :love6: :hug:
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obviously - HM does not "pick" the next King - Acts of Succession - just using a sensational headline to attract the readers
International Business Times is a misnomer. It is a gossip rag. :Lothwen:
Agreed! Don't they get a lot of their stuff from the Globe, sometimes without accreditation? I can't be bothered to read it half the time except when I feel like a bit of a giggle. HM is always dying and threatening to disinherit Charles because of his lush of a wife in favour of William, but I didn't know William was now out of the succession as well!
Quote from: Macrobug on July 30, 2014, 01:49:36 AM
International Business Times is a misnomer. It is a gossip rag. :Lothwen:
:shrug: Well, we allow it as a source on here, so it's fair game. :cool:
Thank you for informing me of that.
^ Thanks for editing your post. :flower: :hug: :hug:
However, it is still a rag. Allowed or not.....
And very useful (as Curryung pointed out) for a giggle or two. But not exactly a bastion of journalism. And has a credibility score hovering somewhere in the Marianas Trench. The deep end.
So Lizzie is going to break tradition, go against the Law of Succession and create a constitutional crisis? Fabulous! :Lothwen:
^ Nobody's claiming it's going to win a Pulitzer. However, it's a valid source for our purposes here.
If one thinks it's a gossip rag, I'll tell you what one of my journalism professors once told us:
"Today it's front page news; tomorrow, it'll be lining the cages of gerbils, getting soiled." :teehee:
Quote from: Macrobug on July 30, 2014, 03:09:33 AM
However, it is still a rag. Allowed or not.....
And very useful (as Curryung pointed out) for a giggle or two. But not exactly a bastion of journalism. And has a credibility score hovering somewhere in the Marianas Trench. The deep end.
So Lizzie is going to break tradition, go against the Law of Succession and create a constitutional crisis? Fabulous! :Lothwen:
Rag or not, we are a forum and not a bastion of journalism, so we are free to bring to the forum items that promote discussion of the subject-matter of the different threads, not being called a rag is not a requirement for the basis of our discussions. :random44: If it stirs members' interest and is not against our rules, it is fabulous! :yesss: :hug:
It may be a valid source to post, but on the credibility scale it hovers somewhere between Lindsay Lohan's denials that she does drugs and FIFA's insistence that it's not corrupt.
Credibility depends on the eye of the beer-holder... :partaay: Charles says he didn't have an affair with Camilla until his marriage broke down because he was having an affair with Camilla... :shrug: Credibility is relative...
^^I was thinking a little lower..... :P
So. As a discussion point. If QE did do this, would it create a constitutional crisis such as what happened in 1936? Different scenario, of course, but still an attempt by a reigning monarch to force a change that could create chaos.
And would Harry be a good King? He certainly would have an exciting court! It may closely resemble the court of Charles ii.
Well, whatever his follies, at least Harry is not thought of as lazy, the people in his court would work, whereas William's court might resemble luxurious Louis and Marie Antoinette decadence with nothing to show for it but occasional Palace announcements saying how hard they are working while unseen... :Jen:
Everyone knows thatHM will not do this, but it was published, and it is good that we are informed of what is published and share our views on the subject. :happy20:
I like Harry just fine, but I do think he gets a pass on many things because he isn't the heir and thus the press and public have lower expectations and more of a forgiving attitude toward him. I'd note, for example, that every year Harry does fewer engagements than Will -- even when both were working full time -- but Will is viewed as lazy by some while Harry is praised as hardworking for in fact doing less work.
I do think expectations should be different for the two of them in the long run, but if Harry were to somehow become heir ahead of Will, I think he would have some serious adjustments to make. No more partying, settling down with an appropriate woman and starting a family, taking on some of the roles Will has been taking over, etc.
Harry will never be on the throne (barring some horrible events) and so his career path is different than Williams. I really can't compare the two. But if some major cosmic shift occurs and Harry becomes King, he would have to make some significant changes.
Starting with keeping his shirt on. My goodness. He needs to put weights in those things. It is scandalous how they fly off at every opportunity. No one destined for the crown should be showing off the goods. What would King Edward say?? :random39:
:notworthy:
Edward VIII went on a tour of the Adriatic with Mrs S in the 1930's and some courtiers nearly fainted because he was photographed bare-chested, obviously by FOREIGN photographers. The British Press wouldn't publish any of the photos because the population must not be able to see their Sovereign in a half-naked condition!
I bet Kate wishes the same rules applied to the Internet!
And all the other royals who have ran afoul of the mischievous wind. :nod: And those nasty long lenses. Curse Joseph Nicéphore Niépce !! :windsor:
When will those ridiculous rags realize Liz doesn't pick the next Monarch? :orchid:
Still think they should go for some kind of Survivor/Medieval Tourny sort of thing. Last Royal standing gets the crown
I think Sophie could hold her own against Eugenie and Bea, but Anne would be phenomenal and pretty tough to beat.
Sophie would have a height advantage over Eugenie and Bea, I think, though I wouldn't be surprised at Eugenie being a tough little cookie in a contest. Anne's age and that huge mound of hair that could be grabbed might be against her a bit.
Harry would be able to beat William in a physical contest anywhere, anytime!
Quote from: Canuck on July 30, 2014, 04:02:06 AM
I like Harry just fine, but I do think he gets a pass on many things because he isn't the heir and thus the press and public have lower expectations and more of a forgiving attitude toward him. I'd note, for example, that every year Harry does fewer engagements than Will -- even when both were working full time -- but Will is viewed as lazy by some while Harry is praised as hardworking for in fact doing less work.
I do think expectations should be different for the two of them in the long run, but if Harry were to somehow become heir ahead of Will, I think he would have some serious adjustments to make. No more partying, settling down with an appropriate woman and starting a family, taking on some of the roles Will has been taking over, etc.
I think that William doesn't do more work than Harry because that is only based on 'official' engagement counts, not actual events done. If we were to count work engagements done, whether public or private, Harry would very likely out number both Cambridges. The work count is based on what the palace wants to give credit to, not actual work put in.
If you know of any Royal duties that Harry is not receiving credit for, I would be very interested in seeing information about those. My understanding is that all Royal engagements are listed in the Court Circular.
The Royal Circular is a tough nut to crack, so to speak. There's no rhyme or reason why some people get credit for individual engagements at a larger engagement, and why some royal family members aren't listed at all, even when they're clearly representing the Queen.
As I said, I would be interested in any information about Prince Harry not receiving credit for his activities. From a quick glance at the past few months on the Court Circular, he received credit for the events he and Will both attended (like cricket matches and the young leaders program launch), for accompanying Charles to the business awards event, for various Invictus Games visits, for all of his activities in South America (including an engagement that consisted solely of flying out of Heathrow Airport, and one for arriving back at Heathrow Airport), for Trooping of the Colour, and for a garden party.
Double post auto-merged: July 30, 2014, 01:50:29 PM
(I should note that the Court Circular is glitchy as hell, and I was only able to get results back three months for Harry, and for a few other Royals. So those are the only months I looked at. But in making year-end counts, I know Tim O'Donovan uses the entire year for each person.)
Quote from: Macrobug on July 30, 2014, 03:25:21 AM
^^I was thinking a little lower..... :P
So. As a discussion point. If QE did do this, would it create a constitutional crisis such as what happened in 1936? Different scenario, of course, but still an attempt by a reigning monarch to force a change that could create chaos.
And would Harry be a good King? He certainly would have an exciting court! It may closely resemble the court of Charles ii.
Will we see a new breed of dog named after Harry????
So it's gone from Queen Elizabeth wanting to pass over Charles for William to her wanting to pass over William for Harry?
Damn that woman's fickle
Quote from: Macrobug on July 30, 2014, 12:01:30 PM
Still think they should go for some kind of Survivor/Medieval Tourny sort of thing. Last Royal standing gets the crown
I think Sophie could hold her own against Eugenie and Bea, but Anne would be phenomenal and pretty tough to beat.
Sophie would have to get Zara on her side ASAP!!!! Then the two might stand a chance against Anne!!! :catfight:
Quote from: Canuck on July 30, 2014, 01:47:46 PM
As I said, I would be interested in any information about Prince Harry not receiving credit for his activities. From a quick glance at the past few months on the Court Circular, he received credit for the events he and Will both attended (like cricket matches and the young leaders program launch), for accompanying Charles to the business awards event, for various Invictus Games visits, for all of his activities in South America (including an engagement that consisted solely of flying out of Heathrow Airport, and one for arriving back at Heathrow Airport), for Trooping of the Colour, and for a garden party.
Double post auto-merged: July 30, 2014, 01:50:29 PM
(I should note that the Court Circular is glitchy as hell, and I was only able to get results back three months for Harry, and for a few other Royals. So those are the only months I looked at. But in making year-end counts, I know Tim O'Donovan uses the entire year for each person.)
Everything that I've been posting in the Annual Engagements thread is coming from a site that uses the CC as its reference, but as pointed out earlier the Palace has its own rules on what counts as an official engagement. Harry's engagements at the Commonwealth Games are being counted and will be added to his annual tally.
Quote from: Macrobug on July 30, 2014, 12:01:30 PM
Still think they should go for some kind of Survivor/Medieval Tourny sort of thing. Last Royal standing gets the crown
I think Sophie could hold her own against Eugenie and Bea, but Anne would be phenomenal and pretty tough to beat.
:teehee:.
Please, no more It's a Royal Knockout!!
Zara would probably ally with Anne, then Zara would inherit the throne (unless Anne decides to give the throne to someone else). Oops--forgot about Peter. Oh, well. Imagine all the flattery and back-scatching Anne would suddenly get. Maybe the UK could vote. Someone please put Margarita Armstrong-Jones on the list--she's adorable!
On another subject--can the Invicta Games count as royal engagements, or is it an event organized for the MOD?
Invictus Games related-activities are showing up on the Court Circular, so it's being counted as a Royal event.
If anything, we need to watch out for Autumn. Canadians can be quite devious. We smile sweetly right up to when we getcha. She may be a sleeper for a plot to make poutine the British National Dish.
Pierre Elliot Trudeau would be SO proud if a Canadian was on the throne.
I think we need to revive the fan fiction thread-- these posts are hilarious!
Talk about your Game of Thrones!!!! :happy20:
I do love tabloids! They are so amusing! They don't seem to ever catch on that the line of succession is a matter of law and not personal preference! (If indeed the Queen even has a personal preference, which I think is doubtful). :lol:
And after the Queen bypasses Charles and William, what is she supposed to do about George?
Isn't he supposedly the most popular Royal now?
Quote from: TLLK on July 30, 2014, 10:37:16 PM
Talk about your Game of Thrones!!!! :happy20:
:lmao:
Quote from: Canuck on July 30, 2014, 10:02:03 PM
Invictus Games related-activities are showing up on the Court Circular, so it's being counted as a Royal event.
It's also receiving funding from the RFoTDaDoCaPH (such an awkward title for the Foundation) through their Endeavor Fund. (see 2013 annual report, Chairman's statement).
So Harry gets royal credit while doing his military job? Maybe the Invictus Games aren't organized as military activities. Maybe the MoD just considers things like the Queen's BD parade as part of Harry's job.
Not too shabby, getting time off your real job to do royal jobs. Oh, wait........wasn't William scorned for that?
Quote from: Rebound on July 31, 2014, 08:26:36 PM
So Harry gets royal credit while doing his military job? Maybe the Invictus Games aren't organized as military activities. Maybe the MoD just considers things like the Queen's BD parade as part of Harry's job.
Not too shabby, getting time off your real job to do royal jobs. Oh, wait........wasn't William scorned for that?
May I suggest Google? A quick search for MOD Invictus, yielded this... :flower:
World-class line up to close Invictus Games - News stories - GOV.UK (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/world-class-line-up-to-close-invictus-games)
QuoteLaunched by Prince Harry earlier this year, the Invictus Games will use the power of sport to inspire recovery, support rehabilitation and generate a wider understanding and respect of those who serve their country. Teams from countries all around the world have been invited to take part in the four days of competitive sport on 10-14 September. The event has been organised with the support and backing of The Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry and the Ministry of Defence.
The Invictus Games (http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/sports-recovery/invictus-games/)
QuoteHelp for Heroes are proud to be supporting the MOD in the training and selection of the British Armed Forces Team
Tickets on sale for Invictus Games opening ceremony (http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/tickets-on-sale-for-invictus-games-opening-ceremony-02072014)
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Tickets On Sale For Invictus Games Opening Ceremony by Royal Air Force
The Invictus Games are being organised with the support and backing of the Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry and the Ministry of Defence.
Quote from: Limabeany on July 31, 2014, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: Rebound on July 31, 2014, 08:26:36 PM
So Harry gets royal credit while doing his military job? Maybe the Invictus Games aren't organized as military activities. Maybe the MoD just considers things like the Queen's BD parade as part of Harry's job.
Not too shabby, getting time off your real job to do royal jobs. Oh, wait........wasn't William scorned for that?
May I suggest Google? A quick search for MOD Invictus, yielded this... :flower:
World-class line up to close Invictus Games - News stories - GOV.UK (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/world-class-line-up-to-close-invictus-games)
QuoteLaunched by Prince Harry earlier this year, the Invictus Games will use the power of sport to inspire recovery, support rehabilitation and generate a wider understanding and respect of those who serve their country. Teams from countries all around the world have been invited to take part in the four days of competitive sport on 10-14 September. The event has been organised with the support and backing of The Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry and the Ministry of Defence.
The Invictus Games (http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/sports-recovery/invictus-games/)
QuoteHelp for Heroes are proud to be supporting the MOD in the training and selection of the British Armed Forces Team
Tickets on sale for Invictus Games opening ceremony (http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/tickets-on-sale-for-invictus-games-opening-ceremony-02072014)
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Tickets On Sale For Invictus Games Opening Ceremony by Royal Air Force
The Invictus Games are being organised with the support and backing of the Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry and the Ministry of Defence.
Yep.. and the Chairman's report also talks about the MoD involvement. I only mentioned the Royal Foundation involvement because the perception I've seen is that it's a wholly MoD initiative. I also wrote "is also receiving funding from" rather than "is being funded by" to indicate the difference between partial and full funding.
It must be nice to do your job and represent your family as well. Usually there are conflicts between family and job. To have them both at the same time would be wonderful!!!
And Limabeany, of course you may suggest Google, I certainly should have thought of that! It was just a spur of the moment post wondering if Harry could get credit from both his family and his job! :flower:
^^^ :goodpost: Rebound
@Rebound
Sometimes, I read something and post it and then I have to bolt and come back to find a long conversation on it has taken place! :hehe: What did we do before google? I think people who went to school and Uni in the pre-ggogle era deserve all the respect and admiration in the world... That is truly an achievement!
Why, thank you! We used (gasp) the library, especially the Readers Guide to Periodical Literature. Usually, the books/journals were checked out, stolen, or in use by someone else. It was very frustrating and time consuming. Google is great!!
Quote from: cate1949 on July 30, 2014, 01:29:13 AM
obviously - HM does not "pick" the next King - Acts of Succession - just using a sensational headline to attract the readers
what is this nonsense????
Quote from: Rebound on July 31, 2014, 08:26:36 PM
So Harry gets royal credit while doing his military job? Maybe the Invictus Games aren't organized as military activities. Maybe the MoD just considers things like the Queen's BD parade as part of Harry's job.
Not too shabby, getting time off your real job to do royal jobs. Oh, wait........wasn't William scorned for that?
Harry's job with the Army is separate from what he's doing with the invictus games. Harry's desk job is helping co-ordinate ceremonial events like the Queen's birthday parade and Trooping the Colour. By all reports he is very rarely in the office and goes in only when there is an upcoming event.
This allows him to do things like work with the invictus games but just so we are all clear, Harry's involvement with the games comes through the Royal Foundation, this is why he gets credit in the CC. If it was part of his job with the army there would be no mention as it wouldn't be 'royal work'
When the games are finished in September, Harry will go back to being the Queen's party planner.
^^ What reports are they? I'd love to see that "all reports" he's not in the office.
IMO his work will allow him flexibility for the future.
Quote from: Lady Adams on August 02, 2014, 04:35:03 PM
^^ What reports are they? I'd love to see that "all reports" he's not in the office.
I know it was stated by I think Richard Palmer on Twitter or some other reporter but the Daily Mirror reported it as well
Prince Harry's new single status causing a stir among female staff at regimental HQ - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-new-single-status-3604003)
Quote"He's not always around because of his royal duties but when he is in the office, work basically stops."
Harry's role involves helping to plan ceremonial events, such as state visits and the Queen's Birthday Parade.
Although the posting is full-time, sources have said Harry is often out of the office and goes in mainly when an event is being planned.
Which makes sense. If people want to say Harry is out promoting the games he can't be behind a desk at the same time.
^^ Oh, so it was just one or two reports? :Lothwen:
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on August 03, 2014, 03:39:25 AM
Prince Harry's new single status causing a stir among female staff at regimental HQ - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-new-single-status-3604003)
Quote"He's not always around because of his royal duties but when he is in the office, work basically stops."
Harry's role involves helping to plan ceremonial events, such as state visits and the Queen's Birthday Parade.
Although the posting is full-time, sources have said Harry is often out of the office and goes in mainly when an event is being planned.
Which makes sense. If people want to say Harry is out promoting the games he can't be behind a desk at the same time.
It does make sense, but your post made it seem otherwise...
As far as being the Queen's party planner, the men and women who plan the military and other formal parades and events for the Queen might, rightfully, disagree with your dismissive description of formal ceremonies.
But a 'full-time' job that only requires Harry to be in the office when an event is being planned isn't really full-time now is it?
Other junior officers must cover for him and this creates scheduling tensions.
^yeah, that's down to earth we're just-like you royalty :D tbh they are all the same, none of them work like the other half .
Well, we don't know Harry's schedule or the schedule of the other persons in the office. Theoretically of course one person not being there puts a strain on other people there. But Harry has been working on this project non-stop so it's not like he's not doing anything. The MoD is planning this event too so it's safe to say that those people working with him in the office are also working on the games, he's just the only one that gets the attention for it.
While I very much doubt that Harry goes into the office every day from 9-5, I also doubt that it really disrupts his co-workers' schedules. I think it's very likely that when he took up that posting, everyone knew full well that he wouldn't be a normal full-time employee, and so no one is allocating a full load of work to him.
I don't think he does a 9-5 in the office either, but planning the games and picking venues, meeting people and contestants isn't all going to be in the office. He still would have to be doing something for those 40 hours per week. In the military, much like other jobs, even if you are finished one thing you are still on the clock and therefore have to find something else for you to do to be productive. So when he's not in meeting it's not like he gets to go home or slack off, he's still getting paid and therefore still having to produce some type of work.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on August 03, 2014, 10:34:37 AM
But a 'full-time' job that only requires Harry to be in the office when an event is being planned isn't really full-time now is it?
Other junior officers must cover for him and this creates scheduling tensions.
A full time job that involves planning events WILL NOT EVER MEAN sitting in an office 9-5, apparently too many have only planned birthday parties for family.
Quote from: Limabeany on August 03, 2014, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on August 03, 2014, 03:39:25 AM
Prince Harry's new single status causing a stir among female staff at regimental HQ - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harrys-new-single-status-3604003)
Quote"He's not always around because of his royal duties but when he is in the office, work basically stops."
Harry's role involves helping to plan ceremonial events, such as state visits and the Queen's Birthday Parade.
Although the posting is full-time, sources have said Harry is often out of the office and goes in mainly when an event is being planned.
Which makes sense. If people want to say Harry is out promoting the games he can't be behind a desk at the same time.
It does make sense, but your post made it seem otherwise...
As far as being the Queen's party planner, the men and women who plan the military and other formal parades and events for the Queen might, rightfully, disagree with your dismissive description of formal ceremonies.
^^^Good point Limabeany. I've seen footage of the seemingly endless practice for events that would happen weeks later ie: Trooping the Color. We royal watchers can appreciate what appears to be smooth and easy for the troops participating in these parades and events not even thinking of the preparation. The BRF is known for its pageantry but they're only a small part of the production for a royal wedding, funeral, and coronation. Consider how many will never even be seen by the public and the media when so much planning goes on behind the scenes.
His schedule is 3 days party, 3 days to recover, 1 day of work
^ wow is all I can say to that comment.
Harry is imo one of the most productive royals. There are more people wishing he were the one to be the king, instead of William. He is getting more popular as W&K's are digging their own graves. Of course latter's unpopularity can be quickly fixed if they actually worked.
I doubt Harry is singlehandedly planning games and picking venues. I'm sure he has people for that. He also has people to arrange events for the Queen's birthday--he's not singlehandedly doing that, either. He is royal and has help.
All I can say about Harry being a king is do people really want a king that has a reputation for being sloshed in bars and pubs?
I like Harry, he looks like a nice guy and a lot of fun, but I don't think he'd make a good king. Not enough gravitas.
Quote from: HsHCharlene on August 03, 2014, 01:16:56 PM
I don't think he does a 9-5 in the office either, but planning the games and picking venues, meeting people and contestants isn't all going to be in the office. He still would have to be doing something for those 40 hours per week. In the military, much like other jobs, even if you are finished one thing you are still on the clock and therefore have to find something else for you to do to be productive. So when he's not in meeting it's not like he gets to go home or slack off, he's still getting paid and therefore still having to produce some type of work.
Harry's job with the Army and the invictus games are two different things. Harry's involvement with the games is through the Royal Foundation.
The army is
supporting the games but this isn't being organised by the MoD. Defence has a representative on the Board, General Andrew Gregory. Harry does not represent Defence.
QuoteThe Invictus Games is an initiative of The Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry, in partnership with the Ministry of Defence. The event is being organised by a specially formed committee supported by the delivery team from the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games.
ORGANISERS | INVICTUS GAMES (http://invictusgames.org/organising-committee/)
So Harry maybe the 'face' of the games he is far from organising it. That is left to the professionals.
The only thing Harry is qualified to organise is a booze up in a brewery.
Double post auto-merged: August 03, 2014, 03:03:23 PM
^^^ Exactly!!
Quote from: Rebound on August 03, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
I doubt Harry is singlehanded planning games and picking venues. I'm sure he has people for that. He also has people to arrange events for the Queen's birthday--he's not singlehandedly doing that, either. He is royal and has help.
All I can say about Harry being a king is do people really want a king that has a reputation for being sloshed in bars and pubs?
I like Harry, he looks like a nice guy and a lot of fun, but I don't think he'd make a good king. Not enough gravitas.
Quote from: Rebound on August 03, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
I doubt Harry is singlehandedly planning games and picking venues. I'm sure he has people for that. He also has people to arrange events for the Queen's birthday--he's not singlehandedly doing that, either. He is royal and has help.
All I can say about Harry being a king is do people really want a king that has a reputation for being sloshed in bars and pubs?
I like Harry, he looks like a nice guy and a lot of fun, but I don't think he'd make a good king. Not enough gravitas.
Neither does william but I guess due to order of birth he will be king .
Quote from: Rebound on August 03, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
I doubt Harry is singlehandedly planning games and picking venues. I'm sure he has people for that. He also has people to arrange events for the Queen's birthday--he's not singlehandedly doing that, either. He is royal and has help.
All I can say about Harry being a king is do people really want a king that has a reputation for being sloshed in bars and pubs?
I like Harry, he looks like a nice guy and a lot of fun, but I don't think he'd make a good king. Not enough gravitas.
Most of the yearly events have been in existence for more than 100, others 200 years and so. Harry will not tell for example Major Nicholas Van Cutsem what and how to rehearse for the Trooping.
I know he has to cover 18 months as a party's/events planner to up his rank, but still I doubt because of his royal position he works hard. He barely does anything, probably showing up for PR purpose only. There isn't much information behind the scene, nevertheless just having a gossip line from the commander in chief of events, it seems the office people are the brains and do the actual nitty gritty.
I don't think it's fair to say Harry does no work or only shows up once a week. At the same time, I agree that the logistics of big events are probably not being sorted out by Harry. I suspect that, like most things, there's a middle ground: he doesn't work full-time but he does work something like part-time plus Royal duties.
I don't know what he will do in the future but the planning for this event so soon would require him to work full time except for royal duties. I think it unlikely he works part time, unlike William, his reputation is not protected.
Hopefully until the games and immediately after he doesn't run to a bottle, craving and obsessing on alcohol as if it were a reward, the blacking out. Until he fixes his since age 11 alcohol problem, he ain't fit to be King or highly functional collaborator to his brother.
This party/event planner for 18 months, he should show his grandma what and who he can be, mature. Then maybe also he can find a girlfriend. I wouldn't want him to end up like uncle Andrew.
<_< really now aren't we bordering on fan fiction? Age 11 really ?! What do you have against harry ?
Both William and Harry are royals they are spoilt and entitled :windsor1: lets be real . Both brothers Imo would be good kings .
Harry has done a lot for wounded servicemen , the treks are examples , he didn't have to go but he did and it isnt easy living in shitty conditions like that , trust me in the middle of nowhere harry couldn't and wouldn't have special treatment but he went on and did it anyway, I wont sit behind my computer and call him an alcoholic (forgot he is a pilot?) When I am hardly doing anything for wounded servicemen .
Just because the press tells you he is passing out drunk 3 times a week but has no pictorial evidence of such happening , your going to believe it ? Sorry but the press is notorious for building up and tearing down , (recent articles of W&k spending 4.5 mil but going to live in Norfolk ) just to anger people and get clicks . Dont believe everything you read .
Also harry has to do the job in order to be promoted as major its one of the many tasks he has to complete .
Harry has well documented alcohol and drug use issues. He also has a disturbing habit of attending social events and becoming blind drunk.
Many alcoholics are pilots. Use google and you'll see many airline pilots getting suspended for alcohol use along with horror stories of drunk pilots falling asleep at the controls.
Harry can be an alcoholic and still qualify as a pilot. The trick is just not to be drunk when taking the tests.
They wouldnt have deployed him if he had such issues and it would never be a secret , he is a famous man such things would be the talk of the town and an official statement would be issued if he was ever suspended for alcohol or drug issues <_<
Again dont believe everything you read , so far kate has documented miscarriages and pregnancies , eating disorders and has dealt with abusive behaviour from camilla [PLEASE NOTE THE SARCASM ] :lol:
none of these are true .
Whether Harry is an alcoholic is pure speculation. None of us knows for sure.
I seriously doubt that the Queen would skip over William for Harry, just as I doubt she'd skip over Charles for William. The Queen is a traditionalist. She's not going to shake up the monarchy in any way, especially given the fact that she watched that happen when her uncle abdicated.
More to the point, she cannot pass over Charles for William, or William for Harry. That would have to be decided by Parliament, not the Queen.
Cindy
I don't know that we can say Harry is an alcoholic. That said, he has certainly had issues with alcohol for years. Prince Charles reportedly took him on a visit to a rehab facility when he was 16 and had been engaging in drinking and marijuana so much that "behavioural changes" were noticed. There have been repeated stories over the year about him drinking to excess, most recently when he passed out in public and lost his wallet and phone at the wedding in Slovakia.
I think that when Harry is on active duty in the military, he is conscientious about not drinking in ways that would interfere with his duties. But when he is off, he seems to engage in a lot of binge drinking. Yes, he's single and young(ish), but binge drinking to that extent is a real problem, especially among young men. The fact that Harry was in that pattern as a teenager and then throughout his time in the military, which is notoriously a hard partying culture, is what makes me believe media reports about his drinking.
Problems with alcohol don't make Harry a bad person, but him being a good guy (which I think he generally is) also doesn't mean that behaviour is healthy. I personally really hope that when he finds a woman to settle down with, he changes his pattern with alcohol and dials way back on his drinking.
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Harry has well documented alcohol and drug use issues. He also has a disturbing habit of attending social events and becoming blind drunk.
Many alcoholics are pilots. Use google and you'll see many airline pilots getting suspended for alcohol use along with horror stories of drunk pilots falling asleep at the controls.
Harry can be an alcoholic and still qualify as a pilot. The trick is just not to be drunk when taking the tests.
Yes, I think he is a HFA.
He should do more trek challenges, like Pippa, they do good, for charity and they seem to have lots of time to participate. Exercise and sport is a great way of getting over the drinking problem.
Canuck , no he wasnt sent to the rehab for treatment he was sent to see the effects of those drugs and speak to patients . Harry has never been a drug or alcohol addict . Experimenting with friends as a teen and being an addict are two different things.
QuoteHe decided it would be a good idea for Harry to spend a day talking to people coming out of *** and heroin addiction to see what happens to you if you start taking drugs. 'He wants Harry to learn from hard experience Prince Harry: I took drugs | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-94482/Prince-Harry-I-took-drugs.html)
Georgiana, can I tell you how much I love your new GIF, and how appropriate it is for this conversation? :clap:
So, a few weeks ago there was an article claiming, without any substantiated evidence, that Harry may have frequented a bar more than once in a week. This reinforces the pillar of sand idea of perceived alcoholism to some? Reminds me of the old Jim-dandy about Chelsy and the mysterious phantom doobie.
You forgot to quote this part, Georgiana:
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Prince Harry was ordered to visit a drugs rehabilitation clinic by his father after the teenager confessed to smoking cannabis and heavy drinking, it was revealed last night.
The short sharp shock treatment came after the Prince, who was 16 at the time, admitted experimenting with the class B drug with older teenagers at Highgrove, at private parties in Gloucestershire and in an outbuilding at a local pub.
He also told how he had been taking part in underage drinking at the same pub during after-hours sessions.
Prince Charles, who confronted his younger son after noticing a dramatic change in the boy's behaviour, took Harry to Featherstone Lodge, a residential centre for drug users in Peckham, South London, which he himself had opened in 1998.
He was taken to the rehab facility because Charles was concerned about his drinking and use of marijuana. I didn't say he was an addict--in fact, I specifically said we couldn't know that generally, and I certainly don't think it was true at age 16. But his drinking and drug use caused real concern at a young age, and unfortunately it appears he has continued to drink quite heavily as he got older.
Quote from: cinrit on August 03, 2014, 04:31:27 PM
More to the point, she cannot pass over Charles for William, or William for Harry. That would have to be decided by Parliament, not the Queen.
Cindy
Exactly Cindy. Succession to the Throne is codified in law. The Queen has no say in the matter whatsoever.
Yes but he took him there because he wanted harry to see the effect it had on people who were indeed suffering due to being addicted , he wanted harry to see the consequences of such behaviour , it doesnt mean anything more than that . Harry wasn't a alcoholic or a druggie , one time experimenting as a teen doesnt make him so..
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Georgiana, can I tell you how much I love your new GIF, and how appropriate it is for this conversation? :clap:
So, a few weeks ago there was an article claiming, without any substantiated evidence, that Harry may have frequented a bar more than once in a week. This reinforces the pillar of sand idea of perceived alcoholism to some? Reminds me of the old Jim-dandy about Chelsy and the mysterious phantom doobie.
:thanks:
That's exactly what prompted me to use the gif.
I disagree with the HFA line of thinking because if it were that bad then he would have already been caught and grounded from flying. If those stories of pilots are as you say then they were caught. I don't believe it because I know in the military they do random drug testing, which includes alcohol. And I know pilots would be tested more frequently because they have to fly. Another thing as well is that if people, like Pelly for example, can barely drive safely under the influence what makes it possible for someone to be able to fly while intoxicated as well? It's not happening and not acceptable in the military. No one would allow an intoxicated person to continue flying such expensive machinery. If he drinks, he drinks when he is not flying (there's a 48-72 rule) and that's his business.
Georgiana, there's no real question that it was more than "one time" as a teen. There have been dozens of stories about that phase in Harry's life when he drank regularly (under age), both at that pub and at home, and was using marijuana on numerous occasions. As I said, that doesn't mean he was an addict. But he was apparently exhibiting noticeable "behavioural changes" that are what caused Charles concern.
Again, none of this means Harry is a bad guy or whatever else. But throughout his life there have been reports--from friends, from staff, from random bystanders--about him drinking quite heavily. I don't think he drinks on duty or shirks his job, but I do tend to believe that where there's that much smoke, some of it at least is true. I think that Harry has always run with a crowd that is heavy partiers, first in his school set and then in the military, and that as a result he's developed an issue with binge drinking. I don't say that to try to criticize him, but I do think it's concerning and I hope that it will change when he settles down and has a family.
I'm pretty sure William's also been blind drunk on nights out so I'm not quite sure where that qualifies one or the other for the crown lol William will be king before Harry since he is ahead in the line of succession and that's really the only qualification that puts one over the other. If in my own fantasy world, I could choose the next monarch for England I would frankly choose Zara Phillips since she like, her mother, seems to understand how to get on with things. But as far as William and Harry goes, I agree with Georgiana; they both appear to be entitled young men that have similar work loads (nothing too much to do) and enjoy their time off more than anything. That being said, Harry seems to be the more engaging and open of the two during their royal duties so that puts him ahead for me, but it all comes down to what values one views as important.
Quote from: Canuck on August 03, 2014, 05:45:35 PM
Georgiana, there's no real question that it was more than "one time" as a teen. There have been dozens of stories about that phase in Harry's life when he drank regularly (under age), both at that pub and at home, and was using marijuana on numerous occasions. As I said, that doesn't mean he was an addict. But he was apparently exhibiting noticeable "behavioural changes" that are what caused Charles concern.
Again, none of this means Harry is a bad guy or whatever else. But throughout his life there have been reports--from friends, from staff, from random bystanders--about him drinking quite heavily. I don't think he drinks on duty or shirks his job, but I do tend to believe that where there's that much smoke, some of it at least is true. I think that Harry has always run with a crowd that is heavy partiers, first in his school set and then in the military, and that as a result he's developed an issue with binge drinking. I don't say that to try to criticize him, but I do think it's concerning and I hope that it will change when he settles down and has a family.
I agree
Quote from: georgiana996 on August 03, 2014, 05:33:19 PM
Yes but he took him there because he wanted harry to see the effect it had on people who were indeed suffering due to being addicted , he wanted harry to see the consequences of such behaviour , it doesnt mean anything more than that . Harry wasn't a alcoholic or a druggie , one time experimenting as a teen doesnt make him so..
One time experimenting wouldn't cause a drastic change in behavior. No one knows if Harry is an alcoholic or not, but if his father was that concerned at such an early age, and if he drinks to the point of passing out as often as he is reported to, there's some sort of problem. Like others, I'm not against Harry nor do I think he's a bad guy. But as he gets older, the drinking is going to take it's toll, and I'd hate to see that happen.
Cindy
HistoryGirl, the difference I see is that there have been no reports like that about Will for years. As some Harry fans like to say, most young men do some heavy drinking on occasion. But when Will settled down with Kate and his RAF career, I think that any heavy partying on his part pretty much stopped.
Part of the difference in behaviour, presumably, has to do with the expectations on Will as the future King. Unlike Harry, it's less likely to be written off as "just having fun" if Will passes out drunk somewhere. But I think a lot of it is down to Kate, and him really settling down with her post-2007. That's why I'm hopeful that Harry may go the same way when he meets his wife.
I disagree , Binge drinking is also an alcohol problem (Binge drinking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking)) and I dont believe he has it , an Apache (believe it or not) is a NOT toy , not everyone can qualify and fly it if they were binge drinking or having drinking /drug related issues , I can say without a shadow of a doubt that harry doesn't have those problems and if he did it would be public knowledge and not tabloid chatter .
Quote from: Canuck on August 03, 2014, 05:51:00 PM
HistoryGirl, the difference I see is that there have been no reports like that about Will for years. As some Harry fans like to say, most young men do some heavy drinking on occasion. But when Will settled down with Kate and his RAF career, I think that any heavy partying on his part pretty much stopped.
Part of the difference in behaviour, presumably, has to do with the expectations on Will as the future King. Unlike Harry, it's less likely to be written off as "just having fun" if Will passes out drunk somewhere. But I think a lot of it is down to Kate, and him really settling down with her post-2007. That's why I'm hopeful that Harry may go the same way when he meets his wife.
How do you know that on the hunting trips he goes to he doesn't have nights of binge drinking at the estates of his friends?
We can't know, obviously. The same way we can't know if Harry binge drinks on those private occasions. But I think if Will was a heavy partier there would have been some reports of it over the past 7 years.
You dont need to be a heavy partier to binge drink . Not saying either of them have it.
@cindy we dont know if any of those rumours are true and there is more evidence pointing against it than towards it .
People can party hard in private and keep it a secret from the press. The only thing I know is that William doesn't go to clubs anymore and that is probably a decision that has to do with maintaining the image as Harry doesn't have to. The evidence that I see is that from teenage to early adult years both brothers were fond of the drink and until the brothers come out and say they're sober, Im just going to assume they both still enjoy alcohol like many people in the UK, but of course, one may believe what one wishes based on the way they gather information.
Lets pretend William is still single and got up to what Harry did in Las Vegas? Dozens of photos of him partying and drinking culminating with inviting complete strangers and girls/women he didn't know to his hotel room and proceeds to play 'strip billiards' and the naked prince is on the cover of every magazine and newspaper in the world. I can't help but think that alcohol played a major factor in Harry's poor decision making and this is just one example. It seems almost every time Harry is in a social situation there are stories of him getting drunk.
People would be calling for the end of the monarchy and demanding William's head on a platter.
There were even reports of Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton having to keep an eye on Harry's drinking when he did his Jubilee visit to Jamaica.
William maybe 'boring' and 'dull' to some people but I'll take that over a 'party prince' any day.
^Serious question here: so the problem is that harry got caught or that he did what he did?
I have no problems with a guy doing what he did while in his 20's. It is concerning that his security was lax and the photos of Vegas got out. Now if it happens again and again, then there is an issue. Especially if it is 5 - 10 years from now. He is now at the age where he should be getting more serious, drinking and partying less and basically being more grown-up
QuotePeople would be calling for the end of the monarchy and demanding William's head on a platter.
There were even reports of Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton having to keep an eye on Harry's drinking when he did his Jubilee visit to Jamaica.
I dont believe that JLP had to keep an eye on harry again tabloid trash .
When prince harry went to D.C few years back , headlines said the mayor told locals to lock up their daughters , the Mayor denied it publicly and there you have it more gibberish from the press.
Dont make up shit about harry I will call you out on it pop.
The security being breached again or him hugging a naked woman again?
Both, HG. The security breach is concerning at any time. The heavy partying with random women would be concerning in a few years. A lot of guys party heavily in their 20's then settle down and become great husbands/fathers/adults. And not only understanding when their kids experiment, but also are able to recognize the signs of problems
But why? Assuming he were single. Is it not a personal choice what one does with one's life? I agree that him not insisting security take ppl's phones was ridiculous and totally his fault, but barring that I didn't see the problem. Nor would I see the problem if five years later he were still single and doing that as long as he was happy.
I agree it is his life and he can do what he wants. But a guy that is still partying at age 35 like he is 25 is concerning. There is a point when you need to grow up. That is not to say that someone in their 30's and 40's can't have fun and party hardy. But only occasionally, not several times a week.
The unfortunate thing for Harry is that he may be partying only once and a while but if it hits the news it will be plastered everywhere that the "Party Prince" is still active.
So it would be less concerning if he were married and went out for a drink every once in a while?
To the press it would be less of a story if he were married. The party prince angle is all his fault , he has vegas and other stunts to blame but in no way does it prove he is a suffering with drinking problems .
Not all 25 yr/ or young people party and drink hard , some of us just go along and end up being the ones driving :Lothwen: or calling a cab while carrying our friends shoes and bags lol . Just saying not everyone enjoys getting drunk and passing out , many people even youngsters / college kids might party but not take it to the levels harry has .
^^Pretty much. But he doesn't necessarily have to be married. Just being more adult. It would be nice to see him happily married and with kids. I think he would be a great dad.
I just think he needs to start partying less, start being more serious about life in general and basically be an adult. And IMO, he is already starting to do this. At present, I have no concerns with Harry. But as I said, it would be concerning if his behaviour was still in party-mode in 5-10 years.
^oh believe me, I totally get that. I don't drink alcohol at all. I don't like the way people behave when drunk so I don't do it. However, at the same time, the way I live my life is no more "right" than ppl that do enjoy drinking. It is simply a personal choice.
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I guess my concern is how ppl (not just here) seem to believe that life should consist of getting married and having kids and any other form of life isn't "real" or "adult".
Hm...So, this degenerated in hypotheticals and beating dead horses rather quickly. :no:
Have to agree with both Georginana and HSH on this one.
Quote from: cinrit on August 03, 2014, 05:50:13 PMOne time experimenting wouldn't cause a drastic change in behavior. No one knows if Harry is an alcoholic or not, but if his father was that concerned at such an early age, and if he drinks to the point of passing out as often as he is reported to, there's some sort of problem. Like others, I'm not against Harry nor do I think he's a bad guy. But as he gets older, the drinking is going to take it's toll, and I'd hate to see that happen.
Cindy
While I agree with you in some aspects, and since someone already tossed their own version of the scarecrow from
The Wizard of Oz out there, if the BRF were your everyday, normal family, would he have even been reprimanded this way for his early experimentation, or would it have been a stern conversation?
That seemed like a little PR clean-up to me for something that could have very well been exaggerated by the media in the first place because he's a Prince. Doing what other kids do within the journey of life?
THIS IS EGREGIOUS!
Quote from: HistoryGirl on August 03, 2014, 06:48:20 PM
^oh believe me, I totally get that. I don't drink alcohol at all. I don't like the way people behave when drunk so I don't do it. However, at the same time, the way I live my life is no more "right" than ppl that do enjoy drinking. It is simply a personal choice.
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I guess my concern is how ppl (not just here) seem to believe that life should consist of getting married and having kids and any other form of life isn't "real" or "adult".
:nod: :thumbsup:
Yeah , ikr!! It's personal choice , I wont judge any one who goes out every week , unless they have a problem . Drinking is fine as long as your not harming yourself and others around you.
Yes, HG and Georgiana, I think people are inundated with this notion of a domestic timetable that others are apparently suppose to subscribe to. It does seem like archaic remnants of yesteryear, seeing as though people are actively delaying marriage, children, or both now, which, in my eyes, is completely responsible.
Actually, would people be happier if he nabbed whatever came along, only to pop out a couple of pups, then get divorced a decade or so down the line? Do some just want to see a woman in white again, so they can "Oooooh!" and "Awww!" at the shiny things for a couple of hours? Really, what's end game here?
^ Totally. I mean is it not detrimental to the family unit in the end if the man or the woman felt pressured to have the family and they didn't truly want it?
The one thing that I've always believed is that William was someone that wanted a person they could trust which is why he chose to marry Kate. I dont believe he was pushed or coerced or fooled into a marriage. I think there is a connection there and I think that's wonderful truly. But that is wonderful not because it's traditional or what I would want, but because I do believe that's what he wanted. Just because William wanted that though does not mean Harry has to and it doesn't mean his life is not one of an adult.
Now if the argument is that they don't work much and that's not conducive to being a royal, I get that perspective; however, like I said earlier, I think they're both like that. But his personal choice of not having settled down is for me not what makes me decide which one is more of an adult
Yup , especially after charles & Diana.
Quote from: georgiana996 on August 03, 2014, 06:43:33 PM
To the press it would be less of a story if he were married. The party prince angle is all his fault , he has vegas and other stunts to blame but in no way does it prove he is a suffering with drinking problems .
I very much agree. The press does try to paint him in a certain light but he doesn't help his cause very much if he continues to give them things to work with. He certainly isn't innocent and has growing up to do, I happen to think it will be at his own pace and not according to what the public thinks.
Harry not being the heir has certainly had something to do with things, on the plus side he can be more wild than his brother and get away with it. On the negative side he isn't as protected as William is. I have heard interviews on documentaries of William being drunk at a night club and having his head down the loo after being sick and there have been pictures of him stripping down to his boxers online. He has enjoyed himself but I think he smarter in how he goes about such things. He never strips in front of strange women, only his close circle. And most likely only drinks in private. Being married and a father has also not only helped his image but I'm sure curbed some party antics as well. I think interviewees in documentaries have always said that William is more mature than Harry and I do believe that. William, as distant as he can be from the public, is very self/image protective so he is wise enough not to give people room to take advantage of him like Harry has.
With that said, I don't see Harry being an alcoholic or having issues with alcohol versus the people around him. If someone comes out and tells the press that Harry got drunk at a party/wedding it really doesn't take into account the context of the situation. No one else is mentioned as drunk not necessarily because they weren't but because the press and the reader really aren't interested if Joe Schmoe is also drunk at the party along with Harry. Harry's name is the attention grabber in the situation. That's why I find it hard to believe that he has a drinking problem. If he has one then so do all of the people around him that are also drinking there along with him. I think it goes back to social context of drinking, whether it's binge drinking or not.
Oh yes remember that wedding he attended a month ago where the headline was "prince harry passes out on the street and someone steals his wallet" ahem excuse me , this guy has RPOs he is never going to be on the street drunk or otherwise and the staff from the bar said harry left his wallet on the table and he personally returned it to him . Look at what the press did with such boring info , turned it into a sensational story to sell.
I didn't say that Harry has to get married, or that getting married is the only way to be adult (hell, I'm not married and I'm plenty adult). But HE has said he wants to get married and have kids, and all I said was that I hope that's a trigger for him to stop "partying" or drinking heavily.
I understand why that happens in university or in the military or whatever else, but I think there are indications Harry indulges too much and I do think it would be a problem if he kept on going with it in his 30s and 40s.
In the past 6 yrs apart from vegas harry hasn't done any hard partying , harry can go out in the evening and meet his friends and the papers will say he is drunk .
I think whatever he did as a teen was due to his traumatic childhood , he lost his mum at 10 and had to deal in front of so many cameras and judgemental eyes , that was his coping mechanism , still doesn't prove he is as maniac as the press portrays him .
So he'll have to stop drinking (I say that because no one has proved that he's an alcoholic or that he even blacks out) when he gets married? I don't think either William or Harry have "problems" with alcohol, I think they both like to drink. I think one brother is more private about it now, but by no means do I think William is only sipping a wine cooler while Harry is guzzling vodka.
Its also a cultural thing , people in the west are more relaxed about alcohol , where I come from its not such a good idea to even be seen with a glass of wine :P but people do it anyway :lol: you see uni students falling out of clubs and the like , its personal preference , but doing it doesn't make a person have a drinking problem.
I think a lot of confusion could be avoided if people stopped putting words in my mouth (or in my comments). I never said he would have to stop drinking all alcohol when he got married. I said that I hoped his partying/binge drinking would stop at that point.
Obviously everyone is free to believe or disbelieve whatever media reports they want. Personally, with so many reports about Prince Harry drinking to excess on different occasions, coming from all kinds of sources, I believe most of them are probably true.
But what is excess? What is excess to the reporter that writes the article? What is excess to the individual reading the report? As far as I'm concerned, Harry shows up to royal events not hungover or drunk. There were no reports of him conducting helicopters drunk. None of him blacking out while on the trek. That would to me signal a problem; when the desire to drink keeps you from living the life that you lead. So his drinking is not a problem to me because Harry seems happy and his life has continued like normal, same as William. That doesn't mean that William doesn't drink like Harry does, he just does it privately. Now if the public part is the problem, I get that angle, but that's no more unhealthy to the liver than drinking in private. But you're right, I suppose it's personal point of view.
Quote from: Canuck on August 03, 2014, 07:28:34 PM
I didn't say that Harry has to get married, or that getting married is the only way to be adult (hell, I'm not married and I'm plenty adult). But HE has said he wants to get married and have kids, and all I said was that I hope that's a trigger for him to stop "partying" or drinking heavily.
I understand why that happens in university or in the military or whatever else, but I think there are indications Harry indulges too much and I do think it would be a problem if he kept on going with it in his 30s and 40s.
It's not specifically about your comments on the situation. There have been many people on here and elsewhere that super-impose their subjective morality on a situation that we, realistically, no nothing about. Nothing you've expressed is offensive, to me anyway.
I, personally, take a lot of "articles" without photographic proof with a grain of salt, where as others, will build upon whatever reality they perceive the situation to be until it's so far-fetched it's bordering on libel.
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Edit: "Know". Sorry, multi-tasking.
Prince Harry wouldn't become monarchy
Who follow on succession
HM Queen
Prince Charles
duke of cambridge
Prince George
Prince Harry
If William and Kate plans another baby they Harry moves baby will behind by Harry
But HM queen chosen Charles or William chosen for monarchy not Harry!