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Queen Elizabeth II: April 21, 1926 - September 8, 2022 => Queen Elizabeth II and The Duke of Edinburgh => Topic started by: LouisFerdinand on April 18, 2017, 11:54:26 PM

Title: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: LouisFerdinand on April 18, 2017, 11:54:26 PM
At one time was there a consideration of Princess Elizabeth marrying her first cousin, The Honourable George Lascelles?
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: TLLK on April 19, 2017, 12:05:12 AM
No!  I don't think that the families or the public would have accepted that match.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: Curryong on April 19, 2017, 12:35:36 AM
^ The story has always been that Elizabeth was attracted to Prince Philip from the first time she met him at 13 in 1939 onwards. When she was getting to know Philip a lot better in the latter part of the war, when Philip came to Windsor when he was on leave, George was a POW in Colditz. Although the family missed him and were worried about him (he was under sentence of death in March 1945, with a warrant signed by Adolf himself, until the SS officer in charge of the execution refused to carry out the order, realising the war was lost) there is no indication whatsoever that the cousins were ever romantically attracted.

George was musically talented and loved opera etc, something Elizabeth had no interest in whatsoever. By the time George returned home after his service abroad the King and Queen were pretty well reconciled to Elizabeth's mind being made up, and Philip's too. It wouldn't have mattered, by 1945/46, how many aristocrats and/or cousins were pointed in the Princess's direction.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: LouisFerdinand on April 20, 2017, 12:01:13 AM
Quote from: TLLK on April 19, 2017, 12:05:12 AM
No!  I don't think that the families or the public would have accepted that match.
George was the son of Princess Mary, The Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood. She was respected.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: TLLK on April 20, 2017, 12:11:22 AM
^^^Yes that is true, but honestly I don't believe that in the late 1940's the public would have wanted to see a pair of first cousins marry. There would have been a greater potential for problems to arise with any children they'd have together Of course Phillip and Elizabeth are related but not as closely as Elizabeth and George would have been.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: LouisFerdinand on April 20, 2017, 11:39:12 PM
If Princess Elizabeth had married George, would the titles of Viscount Lascelles and Earl of Harewood have come to the Crown?
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: Curryong on April 20, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
No, I don't think so. However, in accordance with the expectations of that time, I think the King would have 'promoted' George to a Royal Dukedom, perhaps one named after a city or location in Yorkshire near the Lascelles family estates.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: amabel on April 21, 2017, 06:36:33 PM
Not a royal dukedom I'd say perhaps a noble dukedom.  His title when she became queen could have been sorted out later.  Anway not going to happen as they had nothing in common, and she loved Philip
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: LouisFerdinand on April 21, 2017, 11:52:52 PM
If George had married Princess Elizabeth, then he could still be Viscount Lascelles and eventually the Earl of Harewood?
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: Curryong on April 22, 2017, 12:29:48 AM
Well, George was his father's heir. His father was Earl Lascelles. If the King had promoted him to Duke upon his marriage and his father was dead, he would be say the Duke of Wirral, Earl Harewood, Viscount Lascelles. His son and heir would be known as Earl Lascelles, George's second title, (presuming he was born before the King's death,) and then Duke of Cornwall when his mother succeeded. The Earldom would then become one of the boy's junior titles but ranking below hereditary Royal ones. The Dukedom of Wirral would then be treated as the Edinburgh title is now. It would be borne by George for his lifetime, then be subsumed into the Crown to be recreated for a younger son (if there was one) or go into abeyance. However, this is all hypothetical as Philip was Elizabeth's first and last choice.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: amabel on April 22, 2017, 05:24:35 AM
yes why are we even discussing it...
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: LouisFerdinand on April 23, 2017, 12:21:50 AM
Would Harewood House near Leeds, Yorkshire be considered a royal residence?
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: Curryong on April 23, 2017, 01:17:34 AM
No, it isn't. It's the historical home of the Earl's of Harewood and they arent Royal. Princess Mary just married into the family, that's all.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: LouisFerdinand on April 24, 2017, 12:03:33 AM
Thus if George Lascelles had married Cousin Elizabeth, then Harewood House would be the property of the Lascelles only, and not the Windsors.
Title: Re: Queen Elizabeth to marry George Lascelles?
Post by: Curryong on April 24, 2017, 03:42:01 AM
Yes, Harewood House would be, as it is now, the ancestral home of the Lascelles family. George Lascelles never in a thousand million years had any intention of ever marrying Elizabeth and that went double for Elizabeth, so I don't know why you're labouring the point!