Quote.Programme details for Prince Harry's tour of Lesotho and South Africa
Published on 19th November 2015
Prince Harry will visit Lesotho and South Africa from Thursday 26th November to Thursday 3rd December.
The Prince will first visit Lesotho on behalf of Sentebale, the charity he founded with Prince Seeiso in memory of their mothers. The Prince will pay calls on The Prime Minster, Dr Pakalitha Bethuel Mosili and King Letsie III before attending the official opening of the new Mamohato Children's Centre at Thaba Bosiu on 26th November. The new centre will provide a facility which underpins all of Sentebale's work supporting vulnerable children in the country and allows them to significantly increase the number of children it can reach.
Prince Harry will also play in the Sentebale Royal Salute Polo Cup, at Val de Vie in Cape Town on 28th November. This is the charity's annual flagship event, which helps fund their very important work.
Prince Harry will then begin his visit to South Africa to carry out a programme of engagements on behalf of Her Majesty's Government. The tour will focus on a number of key themes including understanding South Africa's recent history, the issues and opportunities for young people in South Africa today, and the importance of wildlife conservation.
On Monday 30th December in Cape Town, The Prince will call on Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu before carrying out engagements to learn more about a range of social issues facing young people in South Africa today, and the work being done to address them. This will include a visit to a youth centre to meet young people linked to gang-related crime and a visit to a project which uses sport to engage with young people on a range of social issues, including life skills, gender equality and HIV awareness.
The following day in Durban, Prince Harry will visit two programmes using sport for social development. There he will visit The Sharks to learn about a range of programmes proactively identifying and nurturing rugby talent, and Surfers Not Street Children an organisation providing psychosocial support to street children. This engagement will conclude on the beach in Durban, where Prince Harry will have the opportunity to meet people from the area.
The Prince will then travel to Kruger National Park, where he will draw attention to the anti-poaching efforts being used to protect South Africa's most endangered animals. Prince Harry chose to spend time this summer working with rangers on the front line of conservation in Africa and is keen to highlight their skills and professional training. The Prince will see the operational and intelligence gathering response coordinated at the Mission Joint Operations Centre in Kruger National Park, and visit the Southern African Wildlife College to see rangers in training at all levels of professional development.
The Prince will complete the tour in Johannesburg where he hopes to learn more about South Africa's recent history. The Prince has long admired President Nelson Mandela and his family has had the honour of meeting and hosting Mr. Mandela on a number of occasions. In the week which sees the anniversary of the former President's passing, Prince Harry is keen to learn how South Africa is using Mr. Mandela's legacy to inspire and empower the next generation of South Africans. The day will start with a visit to The Nelson Mandela Foundation where Prince Harry will meet Mrs Graca Machel and tour the private archives of the Centre for Memory. He will then visit with students participating in Nelson Mandela – The Champion Within, a youth development programme operated by LifeCo UnLtd SA and the Nelson Mandela Foundation. He will then conclude the visit to South Africa at a Youth Empowerment Exposition, focusing on youth entrepreneurship.
NOTES TO EDITORS:
During the tour, Prince Harry will visit:
26th November Maseru, Lesotho
28th November Sentebale Polo Cup, Cape Town, South Africa
30th November Cape Town, South Africa
1st December Durban, South Africa
2nd December Kruger National Park
3rd December Johannesburg, South Africa
There will be no public engagements on 27th and 29th November.
Sentebale's Mamohato Children's Centre in Lesotho
Sentebale's Network Clubs and Camps programme has been developed over the last seven years in response to a serious gap in HIV/AIDS education provision for young people in Lesotho. A study by Sentebale showed that children living with HIV felt isolated and received little support in their homes or communities in relation to the social and psychological challenges they faced. The Mamohato Children's Centre will train practitioners from Lesotho and across Southern Africa, who will run residential camps to empower children living with HIV to address the associated stigma and health issues and enable them to live healthy and fulfilled lives. Prince Harry has closely followed the development of the Mamohato Centre throughout all stages of its development. In early 2013 he visited the land upon which the centre has been built and in late 2014 he returned to Lesotho to view the building progress.
South Africa
Prince Harry has undertaken three official and charitable visits to South Africa to date: in 1997 accompanying his father The Prince of Wales, in 2010 with his brother The Duke of Cambridge and in 2013 on behalf of his charity Sentebale.
Programme details for Prince Harry's tour of Lesotho and South Africa (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/press-releases/programme-details-prince-harrys-tour-of-lesotho-and-south-africa)
Anyone care to comment about Harry's unemployment? Harry regularly visits his charity and now is set to represent The Queens Government I would say he is now a full time Royal
I just hope his two free days in SA doesn't overshadow the work trip, paparazzi following him to see what he did.
On a side note, when in Durban Harry will personally meet my friend Jordan Smith, cofounder of Surfer Not Street.
He will be in Lesotho those days so I hardly think they will be a vacation like William and Kate's days off.
^ I'm happy to see Harry go and see what his beloved Sentable are doing in Lesotho, followed by some engagements in South Africa before Christmas.
I'd rather wait for the New Year to see whether any decisions have been made by Harry on his future direction. As you all know, my view is that there will have to be changes in the BRF next few years, come what may, and that will probably involve both of Charles's sons. I don't want to repeat myself.
Quote from: TLLK on November 19, 2015, 08:48:20 PM
Quote from: wannable on November 19, 2015, 10:55:44 AM
I just hope his two free days in SA doesn't overshadow the work trip, paparazzi following him to see what he did.
On a side note, when in Durban Harry will personally meet my friend Jordan Smith, cofounder of Surfer Not Street.
That's great news and could you please share some information about Surfer Not Street @wannable?
I believe this 4 minute video sums it up nicely. Jordan, aka Jordy is a legend in SA and surfing community worldwide.
Today Is Perfect - Jordy Smith on Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/96182076)
Thank you
@wannable. It does sum it up well.
Wannabe - thanks for the link - that is a great program - but what a terrible problem!!!
I do not have a problem with Harry and this trip - but I do want to point out that if this was a W and K trip - the two days off would be creating a howl - the whole trip would create howls of skepticism and cries of tax payer funded vacation
SA is a country on the verge of exploding - after apartheid whites got richer and the African population got poorer. Just recently demonstrations demanded the disposal of the statues of Cecil Rhodes be destroyed ( they are now being removed) and there has been a serious increase in crime as well as economic problems. The bornfree movement (young Africans born after apartheid) has been very critical of even Mandela's legacy. I'd bet the last thing the SA government wants right now is a high profile Brit royal showing up - Harry's visit would provide a perfect opportunity for this angry young movement to stage a protest - which I would guess would put a big dent in Harry's love affair with SA.
On the other hand - Harry had best enjoy SA while he can - as things are going - he may find it a place that the he won't be able to visit so much in the future.
As for Chelsy -are there not whisperings that she is working there? And that her Dad may be ill?
if you want more info - a short summary Why South Africa's born-free generation is not happy - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34570761)//
I rather doubt Her Majesty's Gov really needed a Harry trip to SA - especially when things are becoming so fraught. Harry had to go for the Sentebale stuff and so the rest was tacked on. Anne was there less than a year ago .
Harry has a African fantasy aided and abetted by his time there with Chelsy. But the reality of SA is a simmering pot getting ready to boil over - Harry had best not get caught in that.
^Tom Sykes is that you?
his first trip there was to get away after his mother's death. He has mentioned his mother's work as inspiration and motivation behind his charity work there. Why does one week in SA to check on the progress of the charity he started with seeiso, sounds so insignificant?
The program looks weak, he actually will be a few hours of work in Lesotho, then free the 27th crossing boarders to SA, no government officials there will be receiving him, it would be in the program if.
Play polo for private enterprise the 28th and the 29th is free, the 30th the archbishop, the national park, these two public, and more private enterprises, charities and foundations. In behalf of HM Gov to me means they paid the trip rather than the country he is visiting, whom usually cover all expenses, and gov officials by names are in the program. When it's also a different kind of foreign trip not in behalf of HM or government, usually the program mentions if their Royal foundation is paying part, plus other fundraisers for more fundraising in the country to visit. Or half and half, because their is a mix of events from both in behalf of HM, government and their charities.
Review the program, the only SA government related is probably the national park. The archbishop is religion, and the rest is private enterprises.
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^^ When Royals go overseas on official visits of any sort, even if there is private business mixed in, even if there are few official duties, it is always announced by KP/ BP that they have been asked by the British Government (which formally is Her Majesty's Government.) Its a bit of diplomatic-speak which doesn't mean much. It's just used when member of the BRF go somewhere abroad and it's not a holiday.
When Charles and Camilla go on tour to Aus and NZ and sample the local wine and cheese and see craftwork, when William and Kate went to see the beach and Kate took part in volleyball, when Sophie attended a garden party in the Bahamas after listening to a children's choir, they were taking part in tours that they have been supposedly asked to undertake on behalf of the British Government.
In fact they very rarely are asked by the Government to undertake any tours. Charles's efforts to smooth arms sales to the rulers of Gulf States when he's on tour there would be an exception. On those occasions he would consult with Government Ministers and the Foreign Office and he with them.
The Foreign Office doesn't pay for these trips, it's often a mix of the hosts (the government of the country visited) and the Queen (who helps with expenses when members of her family are undertaking engagements in her name.)
Mostly it's the Commonwealth Secretariat in London and the host country that settles the itinerary. It is usually based on spots that would attract tourists and a popular Royal will publicise these, plus local products which they want displayed to the media.
Sometimes a cause or charities a Royal is interested in are also featured, like Edward, who is always seen with the Duke of Edinburgh Awards projects, if appropriate in the Commonwealth countries, also military /remembrance ceremonies are sometimes arranged for the Royal. None of them exactly sit down and negotiate trade deals!
These tours where the Royal meets many people and is often on display to thousands over the course of even a short tour, often require rest days. Charles and Camilla took them in their tours, so did William and Kate, so did the Queen and PP when they went on tour, as did the QM and Princess Margaret. They all do it, not just Harry.
^ NO I did read what you wrote unlike you and some of your pals I do not have a comprehension problem nor do I hate on Harry because he is more popular then his father unlike you.
Trickled and filtered source, one famous historian Will call this Harry's Yearly Christmas Pilgrimage.
Nothing wrong. To the contrary because the purpose of Sentebale is in Lesotho. Just call it as it is.
^ According to Richard Palmer, Harry's 'day off' on November 27th is to avoid clashes with media reporting on the Queen opening CHOGM on that date. (BP and KP always do that to avoid competition between royals and their engagements.) Harry will probably spend the day in Lesotho.
^ It's really sweet that Mutsu even wore the blue gum boots Harry bought him to bed! :)
The DM claims that Harry and Mutsu write and see each other almost all the time during Harry's yearly Sentebale Lesotho trip, but when reading Mutsu's letter, it seems the last time they saw each other was when they met, 10 years ago.
^ The Daily Fail is known for its inaccuracy. However, Mutsu is in the Senrebale residential and educational programme and refers to knowing that Harry is happy when he gets his letters.
There are also hints throughout the letter (which was written just before Harry visited Lesotho in 2014) that they have met several times over the years. Not as many, certainly, as the DM claims and probably not every time Harry visits Sentable, but certainly there have been meetings and letters over the decade and a bit since Harry formed the charity..
^ This Centre is desperately needed by these poor children. I think Diana would be enormously proud of what her son has achieved.
Harry has such natural compassion, warmth and genuineness. This even comes through it photographs. I found his speech to be incredibly moving. He is clearly passionate and dedicated to the cause. This work is incredibly important. It changes lives of some of the most vulnerable for the better each and every day. This is Harry in his element and at his absolute best.
Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/status/671230251582779392)
He started his Cape Town duties.
Prince Harry meets Desmond Tutu during his four-day tour of South Africa | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3339110/Prince-Harry-meets-Desmond-Tutu-four-day-tour-South-Africa.html)
^ Archbishop Tutu insisted on standing for quite a long time while photos were being taken and Harry handed over the Companion of Honour. I think that's very nice of him as he's not a young man or a well one. They all looked much more relaxed when they sat down to tea.
Rich boy patronizing oops the disadvantage children about his £20,000 a year school, and wanting to be a bad boy.
At some point in life, disadvantage will google Eton and will very likely think, lucky boy with wealthy parents treated us like if our school is better than Eton bla, and faux pas thinks we were or are bad boys. Poorly done.
1 out of 100 will receive a scholarship to study with the rich, statistics, and will become an example and voice to his /her kind.
The 'best' school does not mean it is the best fit for every child. I can understand the reasoning for wanting to have William (who is clearly no genius himself) and Harry together after what had happened to their mother. It's just a shame that is was such a poor fit for Harry.
I actually think the messaging Harry is portraying to these children is a positive one - the most expensive education is not always the best choice for everyone. And to counter this, a much much much less prestigious education doesn't mean that one can't achieve goals and make a contribution to society and improve their life. Getting an education is what matters.
I actually believe it would have been best for both of them to have been sent to a school abroad somewhere in Europe. They would have had privacy and would have developed a broader circle of friends and had a greater range of experiences.
^ I doubt whether anyone, child or adult that Harry met at this school, will take his comments as anything other than jokes made to lighten the atmosphere. For goodness sake, people of any age can tell when a person is joking. The journalists realised it, the children realised it and so did the adults around.
Harry had kids who gave him a spontaneous hug, enjoyed playing football with him and liked his company. I think people who weren't there should stop analysing every comment and just lighten up!
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^ Yes, Gec, I agree. I think both Princes would have really benefited from being sent to the same sort of international boarding school Crown Prince Frederik attended. They would have met European counterparts, learned a foreign language or two thoroughly and enjoyed days off in a European country. It would have broadened both their minds.
Quote from: Curryong on December 02, 2015, 11:37:25 AM
^ I doubt whether anyone, child or adult that Harry met at this school, will take his comments as anything other than jokes made to lighten the atmosphere. For goodness sake, people of any age can tell when a person is joking. The journalists realised it, the children realised it and so did the adults around.
Harry had kids who gave him a spontaneous hug, enjoyed playing football with him and liked his company. I think people who weren't there should stop analysing every comment and just lighten up!
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^ Yes, Gec, I agree. I think both Princes would have really benefited from being sent to the same sort of international boarding school Crown Prince Frederik attended. They would have met European counterparts, learned a foreign language or two thoroughly and enjoyed days off in a European country. It would have broadened both their minds.
Personally I do believe that having both boys spend part of their school years abroad could have been part of Charles/Diana's plan. However I do believe it would have been at a Commonwealth nation like Charles, Andrew and Edward attended instead of a continental one. However with the death of their mother and the desire to protect the brothers from the press, it was likely decided that Eton would provide the necessary security and structure for them. It also might have been the request of the brothers to stay in familiar surroundings during those years. Their gap years included time abroad, so Charles might have felt this would give them some experience outside of the UK.
I also believe that Charles did want to keep Harry at Eton knowing that it was Diana's preferred choice for her sons.
Quote from: wannable on December 02, 2015, 10:54:34 AM
Rich boy patronizing oops the disadvantage children about his £20,000 a year school, and wanting to be a bad boy.
At some point in life, disadvantage will google Eton and will very likely think, lucky boy with wealthy parents treated us like if our school is better than Eton bla, and faux pas thinks we were or are bad boys. Poorly done.
1 out of 100 will receive a scholarship to study with the rich, statistics, and will become an example and voice to his /her kind.
He was trying to show them that they should be appreciative and value the chance of getting an education since the boys in SA are tempted to join gangs instead. By telling he wanted to be a bad boy was his way of letting them know that he has some understanding of the temptation to rebel, even if it's a small understanding.
Quote from: TLLK on December 02, 2015, 03:06:46 AM
Academically Eton was not the best selection for Harry. However considering the emotional upheaval Harry had endured Charles likely believed it was best for his son to be close to his sibling and grandparents.
probably, but it was a waste of time in the academic sense...
^ Oh Harry everybody, including Celebitchy is noticing your junk bits flying free now! Please buy some supportive undies today!
On quite another tack, Harry has made a speech about poaching in which he warmly praised his brother's efforts in that direction and said he would do all he could to support him.
When have we ever heard Willie do the same with any of Harry's endeavours? Instead we get weak attempts at humour in the form of put downs about Harry's lack of brain power etc.
It would be nice to hear William in the future give a speech in which he gives Harry some sincere praise for something he's done but I'm not holding my breath!
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The speech Harry made on poaching at Kruger national park, in which he speaks of being 'incredibly proud' of his brother.
A speech by Prince Harry at the South African Wildlife College, Kruger National Park, South Africa (http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/media/speeches/speech-prince-harry-the-south-african-wildlife-college-kruger-national-park-south)
QuotePretoria - Britain's Prince Harry is expected to pay a courtesy call on President Jacob Zuma in Pretoria on Thursday
Ok, bring vintage wine and this will be a partaay! :partaay: :orchid:
QuoteThe speech Harry made on poaching at Kruger national park, in which he speaks of being 'incredibly proud' of his brother.
At least he doesn't sound like a robot pausing and speaking in a flat monotone where the audience is induced into a sleep coma. :lol:
the thing is - these boys are not rebelling - they live in the streets usually because they are orphans and they join gangs because of very limited opportunities and because they are pressured to join the gang - their circumstances are in no way related to any teen rebellion. Harry is great - this trip has truly brought attention to some very disturbing problems - but he needs to think before he says stuff.
H also need to do something with his crown jewels - geez - do not any of his staff see these pics?
It is just heartbreaking to see so many orphans - so many kids in such dreadful circumstances
I disagree, many are rebelling against society, their circumstances, etc. It's a rebellion against their circumstances (hence the activities lashing out) not simple by any means, but many can certainly identify with what he said, more valuable and on point that telling them he had a perfect childhood and how lucky he was.
Quote from: cate1949 on December 03, 2015, 05:48:05 AM
the thing is - these boys are not rebelling - they live in the streets usually because they are orphans and they join gangs because of very limited opportunities and because they are pressured to join the gang - their circumstances are in no way related to any teen rebellion. Harry is great - this trip has truly brought attention to some very disturbing problems - but he needs to think before he says stuff.
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well I dotn entirely agree, in that I think we have choices, even if reared in very unpromising situations. but I agree that to make out that "rebellion is cool" and that "being a bad boy" is a fun thing, when for these kids, turning along the wrong path, is probably the road to hell, leading them from desperate poverty, to crime to a terrible life... and possibly early death, is very irresponsible. but I don't think that Harry thinks before he says things.
Quote from: cate1949 on December 03, 2015, 05:48:05 AM
the thing is - these boys are not rebelling - they live in the streets usually because they are orphans and they join gangs because of very limited opportunities and because they are pressured to join the gang - their circumstances are in no way related to any teen rebellion. Harry is great - this trip has truly brought attention to some very disturbing problems - but he needs to think before he says stuff.
H also need to do something with his crown jewels - geez - do not any of his staff see these pics?
It is just heartbreaking to see so many orphans - so many kids in such dreadful circumstances
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@cate1949 I agree with everything you've stated.
Quote from: TLLK on December 03, 2015, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: cate1949 on December 03, 2015, 05:48:05 AM
the thing is - these boys are not rebelling - they live in the streets usually because they are orphans and they join gangs because of very limited opportunities and because they are pressured to join the gang - their circumstances are in no way related to any teen rebellion. Harry is great - this trip has truly brought attention to some very disturbing problems - but he needs to think before he says stuff.
H also need to do something with his crown jewels - geez - do not any of his staff see these pics?
It is just heartbreaking to see so many orphans - so many kids in such dreadful circumstances
:goodpost: @cate1949 I agree with everything you've stated.
Which is exactly why I cant be bothered with him anymore. Acts like a man child, where is the difference with him and William of you look closely they're both the same.
^ You definitely don't like Harry, Tiaras. I think that's pretty plain. Every time there is the slightest criticism of Harry on this or the other forum you leap to agree.
William is stiff and rather awkward with people. He tries to maintain gravitas at all times, perhaps because of shyness. Sometimes he looks bored. When do you ever see that with Harry?
Harry engages with people of all ages and both sexes, and even with animals! People are happy in his presence. They smile, laugh, look enlivened. He puts 110% into all his public engagements. Even the journalists who travel to his engagements look forward to being there as he exudes fun and happiness. Can't remember anyone saying that about William, or Kate!
So no, Harry is not like his brother in the vast majority of ways!
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Quote from: TLLK on December 03, 2015, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: cate1949 on December 03, 2015, 05:48:05 AM
the thing is - these boys are not rebelling - they live in the streets usually because they are orphans and they join gangs because of very limited opportunities and because they are pressured to join the gang - their circumstances are in no way related to any teen rebellion. Harry is great - this trip has truly brought attention to some very disturbing problems - but he needs to think before he says stuff.
H also need to do something with his crown jewels - geez - do not any of his staff see these pics?
It is just heartbreaking to see so many orphans - so many kids in such dreadful circumstances
:goodpost: @cate1949 I agree with everything you've stated.
Which is exactly why I cant be bothered with him anymore. Acts like a man child, where is the difference with him and William of you look closely they're both the same.
IMO neither are a "man child" as each has faced personal, mental, and physical challenges head on. They are using their public roles to champion causes at home and overseas. Until there is a major change in the BRF ie: QEII's reign comes to an end, neither can "move up" from their current role unless they go full time. At this point in time it appears that the BRF and majority of the public are content with the brothers being part-time royals while working/volunteering for their respective charities. Each continues to top the "most popular" member of the BRF polls. Harry definitely has his mother's charisma and warmth when dealing with the members of the public. William appears to be more introverted like his grandmother and has a more dignified role to play when representing her. They are two different personalities and each appears to play to his strengths. From the YouGov poll in spring 2015 - Last year Prince William began training for a new job as an air ambulance pilot. Do you think he should continue working as a pilot, or should he concentrate full time upon his Royal duties?
He should concentrate full time upon his Royal duties? 10% agreed.
He should combine his Royal duties with his job as a pilot? 76% agreed.
Don't know? 14%.
QuoteHarry stopped off at a pop up bar selling lemonade and ginger beer.
Together a shandy! :partaay: A non alcoholic one. <_< When to bring your own flask. :lol:
^ Harry tells kids to 'do as I say not as I do' (or did!)
Prince Harry tells schoolchildren 'don't follow me in the bad things I do, only the good things' - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry-tells-schoolchildren-dont-6947989#ICID=sharebar_twitter)
Wow, a U turn, no more patronizing, and decided to speak about his better times in the military. Although Harry speaking if he had gone to university it would be a peace of cake, lol. Another faux pas.
Zuma breaking protocol, a last minute receiving Harry is a joke and a slap in the face to... Whilst when Mrs. Obama went, he refused to see her, a Lawyer, Princeton and Harvard grad, ex president of Chicago Children's Hospital, etc., etc., etc. 👎🏻
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Quote from: tiaras on December 03, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
Quote from: TLLK on December 03, 2015, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: cate1949 on December 03, 2015, 05:48:05 AM
the thing is - these boys are not rebelling - they live in the streets usually because they are orphans and they join gangs because of very limited opportunities and because they are pressured to join the gang - their circumstances are in no way related to any teen rebellion. Harry is great - this trip has truly brought attention to some very disturbing problems - but he needs to think before he says stuff.
H also need to do something with his crown jewels - geez - do not any of his staff see these pics?
It is just heartbreaking to see so many orphans - so many kids in such dreadful circumstances
:goodpost: @cate1949 I agree with everything you've stated.
Which is exactly why I cant be bothered with him anymore. Acts like a man child, where is the difference with him and William of you look closely they're both the same.
IMO neither are a "man child" as each has faced personal, mental, and physical challenges head on. They are using their public roles to champion causes at home and overseas. Until there is a major change in the BRF ie: QEII's reign comes to an end, neither can "move up" from their current role unless they go full time. At this point in time it appears that the BRF and majority of the public are content with the brothers being part-time royals while working/volunteering for their respective charities. Each continues to top the "most popular" member of the BRF polls. Harry definitely has his mother's charisma and warmth when dealing with the members of the public. William appears to be more introverted like his grandmother and has a more dignified role to play when representing her. They are two different personalities and each appears to play to his strengths. From the YouGov poll in spring 2015 - Last year Prince William began training for a new job as an air ambulance pilot. Do you think he should continue working as a pilot, or should he concentrate full time upon his Royal duties?
He should concentrate full time upon his Royal duties? 10% agreed.
He should combine his Royal duties with his job as a pilot? 76% agreed.
Don't know? 14%.
I think it's time William steps up to royal work full time. Harry too enough of this I am normal facade, if they must know normal doesnt exist.
Kate needs to up her work count too and try to be seen more frequently, they cant keep hiding away for several weeks.
I stand by my comments, and tbh I dont really care for his relationships, haven't read or commented there for a long time. Harry isn't really this perfect man, he makes mistakes his fans have to learn to see him as a man and not a guy they hope to be with.
His comments have be just as bad as some of this things William says, it shows stunted growth to be saying things like that. But then again they are both sheltered and ignorant about a lot of things.
Say what you want it isnt going to change my mind.
I am aware that it may take a good 15 years before people start questioning the trio and their contribution to the firm. But by then the monarchy may not be too popular.....after QEII passes away things will turn to complete chaos withing the BRF, IMHO.
I dont think Charles has what it takes to control anybody, and Williams normalness isnt going to help, Harrys past will be brought up at every turn. It is going to be one big mess.
^ I'm sorry that President Zuma didn't want to receive Mrs Obama for whatever reason. However, that has nothing to do with Harry, (who incidentally has been a hit with the youngsters he's met. I don't think he's ever patronised anyone in his life.)
The last time I looked South Africa was still in the Commonwealth and the Queen is still Head of that organisation. I don't think it would have gone down too well if Pres. Zuma had snubbed her grandson.
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^^ I've lost count of the letters and diaries from the late 19th century I've read that predicted disaster, chaos, catastrophic change, an incompetent badly regarded King, after Queen Victoria's death.
In fact absolutely nothing happened (the changeover was smooth) and King Edward VII wasn't a bad King at all. His son, the Duke of York, who had done little in the 1890's, stepped up to the plate.
So will William, whether he wants to or not, and Harry, whether he wants to or not, will be his father and brother's backup. They both, IMO, know precisely what's going to come in the next few years.
Exactly! :thumbsup: And these correspondents like Rebecca English know him very well.
Zuma wouldn't be able to string a sentence with Michelle Obama, the Princeton and Harvard graduate. Via diplomatic corps, through channels months previsit, he said no.
Which is very telling, when by out of agenda, last minute, clears 5 minutes for Harry. And says what he wanted the worldwide media to know, he's retiring. Polls indicate his government popularity is going down, down south. He's kaput, and Harry is a tool to Zumas end, nothing bad, at least we know now, he won't go for another presidency.
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Rebecca English has said the very same complements of W&K, with H fans blasting her. Honestly, It's the case of which side of the fence, and cherry picking one day I like her the next day not. I see nothing wrong when admitting to like someone, and not the other.
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Harry's gaffes and faux passes should be picked to pieces and analyzed as he has been a Royal for 30 years. More then enough time to always be excused.
Quote from: wannable on December 04, 2015, 11:01:34 AM
Zuma wouldn't be able to string a sentence with Michelle Obama, the Princeton and Harvard graduate. Via diplomatic corps, through channels months previsit, he said no.
Harry's gaffes and faux passes should be picked to pieces and analyzed as he has been a Royal for 30 years. More then enough time to always be excused.
I think you may be neglecting to consider the domestic and geopolitical motives for not meeting with Michelle Obama. I'm not condoning his decision, but pointing out that there are more complex considerations involved in meeting the first lady of the USA as compared to a British royal.
As Britain is a constitutional monarchy, I consider the international visits/tours undertaken by any family member to be closer to 'soft diplomacy', rather than at the other end of the spectrum which is considered more political - for example meeting with a President/Prime Minister/Government Minister. Don't let the title of 'soft diplomacy' mislead you, it is a vital component of diplomatic engagement and relationship development.
As for Harry, his gaffes/errors in judgement over his lifetime have well and truly been canvassed here and in the press. I think even his harshest critic would consider this tour a success based on the available evidence.
@wannable please let me know if I have misinterpreted your post. We seem to have quite different approaches to, and application of grammar and syntax. This can lend itself to quite a bit of misunderstanding!
The point is Zuma is retiring after this period of presidency. Harry was The tool to notify the world, of course through soft diplomacy. What would Harry say, he said nothing. Lol.
Zuma would be slapping his own face, by means of mentioning retirement with a courtesy visit from the First Lady of the USA, although her plans and agenda wasn't to interfere with the POTUS, she never has, she has her own footing. Her tour had to do with children in poverty, schools for the disadvantage. And that is her theme.
She's to bright for him, and he wouldn't be able to hold a 30 second conversation with her.
Harry's tour is a standard tour, all royals do well, easy.
If it contained high government receptions, meeting and greeting and in behalf of HM meetings and mixing official dining and wining, I'd consider it high flying hard tour, and if done well, a true success.
Quote from: TLLK on December 03, 2015, 10:49:38 PM
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Quote from: cate1949 on December 03, 2015, 05:48:05 AM
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:goodpost: @cate1949 I agree with everything you've stated.
IMO neither are a "man child" as each has faced personal, mental, and physical challenges head on. They are using their public roles to champion causes at home and overseas. content with the brothers being part-time royals while working/volunteering for their respective charities. Each continues to top the "most popular" member of the BRF polls. appears to play to his strengths. From the YouGov poll in spring 2015 - Last year Prince William began training for a new job as an air ambulance pilot. Do you think he should continue working as a pilot, or should he concentrate full time upon his Royal duties?
He should concentrate full time upon his Royal duties? 10% agreed.
He should combine his Royal duties with his job as a pilot? 76% agreed.
Don't know? 14%.
well TLLK that sounds pretty much like the public are happy with what Will is doing. I am not sure about Harry's maturity, quite honestly. I think he does need to think before he speaks and it seem to dress more appropriately ( I have never seen these embarrassing photos but then I don't look out that much at them..)...
Sure he has a warm heart but he really needs to engage brain before opening mouth, at times. William is quieter and less likely to make mistakes, I think at this stage, he has matured and settled and he does not get into the papers so much because a lot of the work he does, like investitures is not that interesting to the journalists/reading public. But he is still doing his pilot job and it seems that the public is fine wit his going on doing that and part time royal duties... as the RF would wish...