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Harvey Weinstein and paedophile tycoon Jeffrey Epstein attended Princess Beatrice's 18th birthday  | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7439679/Harvey-Weinstein-paedophile-tycoon-Jeffrey-Epstein-attended-Princess-Beatrices-18th-birthday.html)

I think Harvey Weinstein and Andrew were very good friends. Andrew invited Harvey to family events including his daughter's birthday party, to Balmoral, and perhaps other events - the truth does rise to the surface eventually. Time will tell how closely connected Prince Andrew and Harvey Weinstein were.

Ugh...what a charming pair to have as friends. <_<

I never knew that Andrew was friends with Harvey Weinstein. Wow! Who next? Jimmy Savile giving riding lessons to Eugenie!

Quote from: Curryong on September 08, 2019, 09:08:59 PM
I never knew that Andrew was friends with Harvey Weinstein. Wow! Who next? Jimmy Savile giving riding lessons to Eugenie!

:hehe:

He is such a loser!

I can't imagine that he didn't hear any rumours. That alone should be enough to put him off their company. But nope! Not Andrew. His arrogance is going to cost him IMO. Who knows what else is going to surface. This isn't over by far, IMO.

I have to wonder if this kind of person (Epstein and Weinstein and perhaps others of their ilk we don't yet know of) cultivate friendships with a royal like Andrew, of if he cultivates friendship with them. 

EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Now Prince Andrew is a no-show at the Grenadier Guards' glittering annual dinner | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7791315/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Prince-Andrew-no-Grenadier-Guards-glittering-annual-dinner.html)
Due his scandal headlines earlier we haven?t his replacement yet

Quote from: sara8150 on December 14, 2019, 03:32:20 AM
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Now Prince Andrew is a no-show at the Grenadier Guards' glittering annual dinner | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7791315/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Prince-Andrew-no-Grenadier-Guards-glittering-annual-dinner.html)
Due his scandal headlines earlier we haven?t his replacement yet

So is Andy going to be known now as "No Show York!"

Good job that he isn't showing up. The atmosphere at the dinner would probably be dreadfully awkward. These sort of annual regimental dinners are supposed to be cheerful and jokey affairs.

I wonder if he was sent a message that he wasn't wanted?

Quote from: TLLK on December 14, 2019, 12:51:47 PM
I wonder if he was sent a message that he wasn't wanted?

knowing Andrew, I suspect he was going to go, and was persuaded it would look better if he didn't...

I would think it fell under an official duty therefore he knew he wasn't to attend.

@Trudie-The optimist in me would like to believe that Andrew would not have to be reminded that he can no longer attend official events, but the realist says that he had to be stopped in the BP corridor on his way to the dinner. :xmas1:

 :windsor: :windsor:@TLLK You are so right Andrew is so arrogant I can just picture staff lining the hallways to stop him on orders of his brother.

Prince Andrew is frozen out from annual family trip to ?13million Verbier ski lodge | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815265/Prince-Andrew-frozen-annual-family-trip-13million-Verbier-ski-lodge.html)
Since his scandal broken earlier but his two daughters Beatrice and Eugenie wouldn't join dad for skiing vacation annual traditional and Yorks sisters will stay with mom the Duchess of York

Look at the source of this story! The annual skiing vac is almost always in February and the Yorks celebrate Andrew's birthday over there. None of them may feel like celebrating that in 2020. Nevertheless it's over two months away. I'll wait and see if this is true before I draw conclusions. If it is, then the rose coloured specs may have fallen from Bea and Eug's eyes. However I've got a feeling that the article another tale from the Fail's large book of fairy stories. 

Quote from: Curryong on December 20, 2019, 11:13:27 PM
Look at the source of this story! The annual skiing vac is almost always in February and the Yorks celebrate Andrew's birthday over there. None of them may feel like celebrating that in 2020. Nevertheless it's over two months away. I'll wait and see if this is true before I draw conclusions. If it is, then the rose coloured specs may have fallen from Bea and Eug's eyes. However I've got a feeling that the article another tale from the Fail's large book of fairy stories. 

he didn't attened Beat's engagement party..

No he didn't, though going to a party at a place like the Firehouse which attracts photographers and reporters sniffing around and where other party guests may well talk if he celebrates happily, is a bit different to a week's holiday in a private chalet at an exclusive ski resort. The only time I remember the Yorks getting any photos at Verbier was when Harry and Cressida were there on the slopes. So they are truly private there, though now this Fail story has surfaced the tabloid may send a photojournalist!

He might be a bit on the outer with his daughters. However the way that Fergie was carrying on in that last interview about him being a great man it doesn't appear he's lost her support and she is apparently a huge influence on her daughters and the family unit! I would just be very cautious about anything that appears in the Fail.

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Quote from: amabel on December 20, 2019, 11:15:48 PM
he didn't attened Beat's engagement party..

Yes, that party that the Fail stated had been cancelled.

Its possible that the girls have had to come to terms with his behaviour and go on loving him even if they disapprove of some of the things he does.  but for the present, its possible that "big parites" whether in private or like the birthday pary may look bad -... and they will cut back on them.  We don't know. I don't expect them or the RF in general to all turn their backs on him.. he is family and they love him.. but I thik it should be kept very private..  because it does look at times that the Queen is supporting him to an extent that looks like over looking his behaviour. Im sure the daughters are more scandalised.. that their father had such a cavalier attitude to young women of their age.. but still he is their father.  As for Fergie... she has had to stick with Andrew for many years now because he HAS been loyal to her and he and she have a rather similar unpleasant attitude about money.... Im afraid. I don't think Andy was so bad in this respect years ago.. but he became more extravagant and I suspect that's when he started with the dubius friendships to make more money for himself and for the ever greedy Fergie...

They can always go overseas and have parties there or during a Winter Break and keep it low key.

Verbier is not private, only their property, which is an investment, there are ''stationed'' paparazzi lurking at the best hot spots.  If not we wouldn't have the pictures of Charles, Diana, William, Harry, then later the Middleton's, William and other hundreds of VIP's that go there.

They could rent a place somewhere. They have the $$$. And keep it super quiet.

They decided in the cheaper version if true: daddy you're not coming.

Quote from: wannable on December 21, 2019, 05:03:16 PM
Verbier is not private, only their property, which is an investment, there are ''stationed'' paparazzi lurking at the best hot spots.  If not we wouldn't have the pictures of Charles, Diana, William, Harry, then later the Middleton's, William and other hundreds of VIP's that go there.

Yes, but my point is that for a good decade, except for one February when Harry and Cressida were there at Verbier, the Yorks have been left alone and not photographed. The paps just haven't bothered to take photos of them. Nor can they get into their chalet. The Yorks could be just as private there than at Sandringham, in fact much more so when you take the church attendance and walk into consideration.

Prince Andrew 'lies low after being frozen out of family trip to ?13m ski lodge' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrew-lies-low-after-21139607)

I really don't get what's behind this, if it's true of course, and you can never tell with tabloid journalism. Are Eugenie and Beatrice truly disgusted with their father's behaviour, really so appalled that they can't bear him near them?

Is it perhaps for PR, to show solidarity with the rest of the BRF? What has been Edo and Jack's role in this, if any at all? Has there been an unholy York family row?

And most intriguing of all, why has Fergie decided to hole up at Verbier with her 'girlies' instead of her hero, Andrew? Protecting her own image in case any incipient commercial interests object to her supporting her ex?

So many questions, to which we are not likely to get any answers!

I agree @Curryong however, the girls and Jack will be with Andrew at Sandringham so I don't think they can't bear to be near him but then Christmas and the walk will be quite telling. Sarah is quite another story I'm sure she will protect her image by not being publicly seen with Andrew but she will continue to defend him Sarah is playing both sides of the fence.

I'm sure the York family don't want to be front page news in the New Year with Andrew plastered all over.  So the dad for once isn't being selfish, ensconced at the Royal Lodge, whilst his family can have their fun with paparazzi's at Verbier.  No pictures of Andrew, but yes a rehash because there isn't anything new to mention after the first few paragraphs of Fergie, Beatrice, Edoardo, Eugenie and Jack doing their NY activities there.

The York family Xmas card, signed by them all and with the rear end of one of their dogs prominently featured.

Duke and Duchess of York's Christmas card hints at bad year | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7822813/Duke-Duchess-Yorks-Christmas-card-makes-not-subtle-references-Epstein-scandal.html)

Well the photo from Balmoral is lovely and that's all I plan to say. :xmas1:

Absolutely and totally disgusting for any member of the royal family to show a holiday card like this, this shows their arrogance and superiority that they think they are better then anyone else on this planet.    Andrew made this mess all because he thinks he is holier then God......and Sarah still rides the coat tails of the royal family.  She needs to be kicked to the curb and the door locked behind her.....I have NO respect for anyone who does this .......neither can nor will ever accept that they do something that is wrong......HM needs to put Andrew in is place for if not it will not go down well for Andrew in the future.....and Sarah needs to shut up and learn some manners and protocol.  She is nothing but trash, yesterday's garbage that stinks.

Crass and tasteless. Just like them.

They are not married anymore, they send a card together? So obnoxious and disgusting. Is there really a DUke and DUchess of York couple. She is a divorcee not an HRH.

She is still the mother of his children and they have lved together on and off for some time. I seem to remember people claimng that they were sure to get married again...

They are not married, unless they know something the rest of the world doesn't.

Quote from: sandy on December 24, 2019, 05:40:56 PM
They are not married, unless they know something the rest of the world doesn't.

I didnt' say that they were married. But that many people seem to believe that they were a couple and planned to remarry later on.. perhaps when Philip was gone...

I am not so sure now.

Do you think that in the future Jack Brooksbank will want he and Princess Eugenie to send out their own Christmas card?

Quote from: LouisFerdinand on December 24, 2019, 08:11:15 PM
Do you think that in the future Jack Brooksbank will want he and Princess Eugenie to send out their own Christmas card?

Probably, after the couple have their first child.

However, Fergie's 'girlies' (and Eugenie's husband it seems) are firmly tied to her apron strings, even at their ages. That Xmas card has Fergie's mitts, and her attitude to life, all over it. 'We have to stick together.' '2019 was horrible, terrible' (for the York family, (the young girl victims aren't mentioned) 'so, like the dog's rear end, it's goodbye to all that, soon be forgotten and we go on as we have in the same carefree way'. 'Forget, forget, anything unpleasant and in 2020 the public will too' (symbolised by the road leading to a new horizon.)

Fergie has always been seriously deluded about past mistakes. Smiles, a psycho babble explanation and then move on. Don't mention it again. IMO she has not yet fully realised exactly what Andrew's future life is going to be like, and that includes future repercussions to herself as she has benefited from said lifestyle and his friends' largesse. She is in 'this is a blow but we go on' mode and the rest of the family has drank her Kool Aid. It is only later that reality will sink in, IMO.

SF seems like a superficially charming person. But I don't think that she's capable of thinking of anyone but herself, or of any consequences. She comes across as unpleasant in some ways.

Sarah is in avoidance mode but in a crude way.

Quote from: oak_and_cedar on December 24, 2019, 08:57:17 PM
SF seems like a superficially charming person. But I don't think that she's capable of thinking of anyone but herself, or of any consequences. She comes across as unpleasant in some ways.

I totally agree with you Sarah and Andrew were so well matched Sarah showed her colors while married to him having affairs with whatever millionaire took her on vacation Steve Wyatt, John Byron both love living a total champagne lifestyle on a royal bologna budget with rich benefactors no matter how shady they were. Yes she is selfish and to me seems to be unpleasant to those she deems lower than herself and as you said takes everyone as stupid or having short memories.

Trudie, I agree! I always thought Andrew and Sarah were similar, in other words, well-matched. I think that is why they have stayed so close since their divorce so many years ago. I feel that Fergie will stick by Andrew 100% moving forward.

Quote from: Nightowl on December 24, 2019, 07:19:51 AM
Absolutely and totally disgusting for any member of the royal family to show a holiday card like this, this shows their arrogance and superiority that they think they are better then anyone else on this planet.    Andrew made this mess all because he thinks he is holier then God......and Sarah still rides the coat tails of the royal family.  She needs to be kicked to the curb and the door locked behind her.....I have NO respect for anyone who does this .......neither can nor will ever accept that they do something that is wrong......HM needs to put Andrew in is place for if not it will not go down well for Andrew in the future.....and Sarah needs to shut up and learn some manners and protocol.  She is nothing but trash, yesterday's garbage that stinks.

It was certainly ill-judged.

Despite all the talk of Sarah being "let in" after Eugenie's wedding. Other than an appearance with the Queen she still stayed on the outside looking in.

Quote from: Curryong on December 24, 2019, 08:43:46 PM
Probably, after the couple have their first child.

However, Fergie's 'girlies' (and Eugenie's husband it seems) are firmly tied to her apron strings, even at their ages. That Xmas card has Fergie's mitts, and her attitude to life, all over it. 'We have to stick together.' '2019 was horrible, terrible' (for the York family, (the young girl victims aren't mentioned) 'so, like the dog's rear end, it's goodbye to all that, soon be forgotten and we go on as we have in the same carefree way'. 'Forget, forget, anything unpleasant and in 2020 the public will too' (symbolised by the road leading to a new horizon.)

Fergie has always been seriously deluded about past mistakes. Smiles, a psycho babble explanation and then move on. Don't mention it again. IMO she has not yet fully realised exactly what Andrew's future life is going to be like, and that includes future repercussions to herself as she has benefited from said lifestyle and his friends' largesse. She is in 'this is a blow but we go on' mode and the rest of the family has drank her Kool Aid. It is only later that reality will sink in, IMO.

I dont think Sarah should be blamed for this card... at least, not just her... the card is shameful... but Andrew is the most to blame for that IMO... he's the royal here... he hides behind Sarah (& her attitude to life) whom (he knows) will always be bashed and hold accountable, as she isnt the 'most darling of the queen'.

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Quote from: Blue Clover on December 26, 2019, 03:25:50 PM
Trudie, I agree! I always thought Andrew and Sarah were similar, in other words, well-matched. I think that is why they have stayed so close since their divorce so many years ago. I feel that Fergie will stick by Andrew 100% moving forward.

i think they stayed 'close' because she knows where all his skeletons are... and in this way she can keep her lifestyle

You know about the card this is the back I found cute, and this was not the first time they used the dogs in the photo of the card. York's always do some "fun" photos
Sarah since I accompany the royal family signs the card
The card has 4 more photos ....
I imagine that if the card were the York's smiling as if nothing had happened they would have been criticized as well.
In my opinion it was an interesting solution.

Ps' And I loved the card that the puppies are in the drawers I think ah about 2 years ago

He may certainly be lying low. IMO the phrase "frozen out" is not accurate. They may have all decided that it's better he didn't go, or maybe he has other things to do, like visit with his solicitors. But judging from their approach to the issue so far, it's doubtful his ex-wife and daughters would "freeze him out".

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Quote from: amabel on December 21, 2019, 10:04:34 AM
Its possible that the girls have had to come to terms with his behaviour and go on loving him even if they disapprove of some of the things he does.  but for the present, its possible that "big parites" whether in private or like the birthday pary may look bad -... and they will cut back on them.  We don't know. I don't expect them or the RF in general to all turn their backs on him.. he is family and they love him.. but I thik it should be kept very private..  because it does look at times that the Queen is supporting him to an extent that looks like over looking his behaviour. Im sure the daughters are more scandalised.. that their father had such a cavalier attitude to young women of their age.. but still he is their father.  As for Fergie... she has had to stick with Andrew for many years now because he HAS been loyal to her and he and she have a rather similar unpleasant attitude about money.... Im afraid. I don't think Andy was so bad in this respect years ago.. but he became more extravagant and I suspect that's when he started with the dubius friendships to make more money for himself and for the ever greedy Fergie...

I think you are making a lot of sense.

Prince Andrew faces losing armed guard as Home Office recommends major downgrade of security | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7894517/Prince-Andrew-faces-losing-armed-guard-Home-Office-recommends-major-downgrade-security.html)

QuotePrince Andrew could be stripped of his armed police protection after he was forced to stand down from royal duties after the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.

The Home Office is set to recommend a downgrade of his security amid concerns of the costs involved of round the clock bodyguards

Prince Andrew reportedly faces losing armed guards after stepping down from royal duties | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2020011683320/prince-andrew-faces-losing-police-protection-reports/)

Duke of York set to lose taxpayer-funded bodyguards in wake of Jeffrey Epstein scandal  (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/16/duke-york-set-lose-taxpayer-funded-bodyguards-wake-jeffrey-epstein/)

Prince Andrew: Home Office 'recommends downgrade of security' | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/16/prince-andrew-home-office-recommends-downgrade-of-security)

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Prince Andrew 'to lose armed police protection in major security downgrade' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-to-lose-21292478)

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Prince Andrew faces losing round-the-clock police protection after Epstein scandal (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10751866/prince-andrew-faces-losing-round-the-clock-police-protection-after-epstein-scandal/)

QuoteIt would mean the prince either having no bodyguards, or having to pay for them himself. As a member of the royal family, and a former serving member of the armed forces, the prince could be seen as a target by terrorist groups.

He could also be targeted because he was friendly with Epstein and there are accusations against him.

Quote from: TLLK on January 16, 2020, 07:52:52 PM

In that case I hope he does pay for security. He shouldn't be without it, and it seems like a wrong move to withdraw it.

Quote from: Princess Cassandra on January 20, 2020, 02:15:04 PM
In that case I hope he does pay for security. He shouldn't be without it, and it seems like a wrong move to withdraw it.

His choice.  He chose to get into slezy money deals and to associate with Epstein.  He's not a working royal any more...

Quote from: QueenAlex on January 20, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
  His choice.  He chose to get into slezy money deals and to associate with Epstein.  He's not a working royal any more...

Right, but he is a member of the royal family, just as Prince Philip and the children. They are all at risk and need security. But, I think he should pay for it, considering he is no longer a working royal.

Quote from: Princess Cassandra on January 20, 2020, 06:46:44 PM
Right, but he is a member of the royal family, just as Prince Philip and the children. They are all at risk and need security. But, I think he should pay for it, considering he is no longer a working royal.

Its up to him.  If he wants security, I think he will have to pay for it.. so its his own choice.   saem with Harry.  The Canadians may pay for security for a time but they wont do it permanently

Has a fascinating one hour program on Andrew and Epstein. It is called Andrew and Epstein.
No tabloid, no gossip, no yellow journalism stuff.
This is a fair, accurate documentary.
The True Story - REELZChannel (https://www.reelz.com/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-true-story/)

It is a show with facts presented .
Check it out on REELZ cable station.

Thank you for the info  yet, So wish I could get that channel for I am very interested in how this turns out, just do not want it to be swept under the rugs and covered up behind closed doors.

Quote from: Nightowl on March 08, 2020, 09:26:20 AM
Thank you for the info  yet, So wish I could get that channel for I am very interested in how this turns out, just do not want it to be swept under the rugs and covered up behind closed doors.

Whether it is swept under the rug or not, he has lost all respect from the Public. By now he must realize that nobody is buying his stories.

It seems Andrew has more woes, this time over a presumed mortgage repayment on the Swiss chalet he and Sarah bought together. They owed a large amount which is now overdue and climbing daily. Sarah wrote to the company involved promising, promising... As is usual with her,  no actual money was forthcoming to discharge the debt  and so Andrew is now being sued. It's reported that the Yorks plan to sell their share of the chalet.

Prince Andrew to face legal case over reported ?5m ski chalet debt | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/08/prince-andrew-to-face-legal-case-over-reported-5m-ski-chalet-debt)

Quote from: Curryong on May 08, 2020, 12:08:09 AM
It seems Andrew has more woes, this time over a presumed mortgage repayment on the Swiss chalet he and Sarah bought together. They owed a large amount which is now overdue and climbing daily. Sarah wrote to the company involved promising, promising... As is usual with her,  no actual money was forthcoming to discharge the debt  and so Andrew is now being sued. It's reported that the Yorks plan to sell their share of the chalet.

Prince Andrew to face legal case over reported ?5m ski chalet debt | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/08/prince-andrew-to-face-legal-case-over-reported-5m-ski-chalet-debt)

I doubt he'll be sued, or go bankrupt.  They'll probaby just sell up....

Yes, I think they will sell. However, it's a question, in this economic climate as to how quickly any sale would go through. I don't think the chalet is being advertised for sale at this time. And the couple are facing legal proceedings over the undischarged debt as we speak. The company is suing now, not in the future.

And considering how much the debt has climbed in a few months since 2019 when the Yorks defaulted on their mortgage, God knows what it will be by the time any sale goes through. I don't think that Andrew is actually scratching for his next meal but these days there's not much doubt that he is a lot poorer than he used to be.

Quote from: Curryong on May 08, 2020, 12:39:07 AM
Yes, I think they will sell. However, it's a question, in this economic climate as to how quickly any sale would go through. I don't think the chalet is being advertised for sale at this time. And the couple are facing legal proceedings over the undischarged debt as we speak. The company is suing now, not in the future.

And considering how much the debt has climbed in a few months since 2019 when the Yorks defaulted on their mortgage, God knows what it will be by the time any sale goes through. I don't think that Andrew is actually scratching for his next meal but these days there's not much doubt that he is a lot poorer than he used to be.

the sort of people who can afford to buy a chalet like that, will probably still be buying things, though the rest of us are being cautious.  Its a holiday place, so some rich fat cat will be problaby expecting to go on  a Skiing holiday next year....

It's now being reported the York's will be selling the property.  A trust fund friend sold it to them and had accepted the deed of sale with a clause of the remaining money order to be paid this past December 2019.  In other words, if the property cost is GBP 30M, the York's paid GBP 24M, the remaining money order to be paid this past Dec '19 would be the reported (articles) GBP 6 Million (plus interests).

Now the Trust Fund Friend is an Ex Friend because she is suing them for lack of payment.

OOT, their nephew should really see Andrew and Fergie's money woes with 'freebies' or special treatment from friends.  Nothing is free or friendly in personal or career life.

From the time the Yorks married Fergie lived up to their income and then some. There were stories of the Queen having to bail them out several times, while Andrew was in the Navy and Fergie was a working Royal.

After the divorce, in spite of some lucrative commercial deals Fergie went on her merry way, enjoying a lot of travel and an extensive social life. She has always been hopeless with money, continuously in debt and getting loans, which no doubt she promised to repay but didn't, from her ex husband, friends and shady people like Epstein (even when he was known to be shady.) She gave money she didn't have to her mother and others.

As for Andrew, he was continuously wheeling, dealing for years as a supposed British honorary Trade Envoy, rumoured to be  feathering his own nest with millions.

There is no evidence of Harry or Meghan living like Fergie does, constantly travelling/socialising/spending money, or behaving as Andrew did as a faux Trade Envoy, a position he had to give up due to complaints. They lived quietly in the mansion in Canada, were hardly seen, and now are in LA. and have been seen on four occasions if that, there. Two moves in one year. Wow!

What is more, we don't know, in spite of the assertions of tabloids like the Fail, what the financial arrangements were for the mansion on Ottowa Island or are in LA. Equally, we don't know what the arrangements were about the jet that took them from Canada to the US. Other royals (notably Charles and Camilla) have freebies, use yachts, planes etc from friends and acquaintances without having to sell their souls to the devil, and it is the same with the Sussexes.

@QueenAlex  and @Curryong , you have good points.
This or that.
Add this one. Since a rich fat cat buyer knows the owners, AnS of York are up a financial battle , the buyer will want it for a lower sales price.
Lower than the value.
Yorks paid 24 million.
Someone might want to buy it for 20 million. 24 million tops. Yorks, you know them, want to sell it for 50 million.
Will there be some benefactor/ ? shady friend ? to buy it for a ridiculous amount of money like the person who bought Sunnighill land?
I doubt it.
Karma and time  for Andrew n Sarah.

Will THE QUEEN write the check for 10 , give him 10 million to fix this problem?
Hmmm.....who knows.

A new biography, by Nigel Cawthorne, on Prince Andrew is coming, 'Prince Andrew, The End of the Monarchy and Epstein.' Something more for me to buy and hopefully enjoy.

'The Making of Prince Charmless' shows characteristics there from the beginning with Andrew, a sense of entitlement, snobbery, insensitivity and a crude sense of humour among them. His upbringing as the adored third child is examined as well as his adult life.

The making of Prince Andrew | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8324925/The-making-Prince-Andrew.html)

@Curryong-I'm tempted to put it on my list when it becomes available but there is an "ick" factor to Prince Andrew's life that might stop me from reading it. <_<

^ Yes, we don't know how much of Epstein and the ensuing scandal is going to dominate this biography. After all, Cawthorne probably started researching for it when the news of Epstein and Andrew broke following the former's arrest and subsequent death. However, I do want to read more about Andrew's upbringing and also his relationship with Fergie, the marriage, breakup, etc.

The book is a 101 How to create a monster, parents mollycoddling. 

Quote from: wannable on May 16, 2020, 01:28:28 PM
The book is a 101 How to create a monster, parents mollycoddling.

I doubt if Philip mollycoddled him.  The queen yes, I think that Andrew was the first child she had a chance to spend time with and she just found him her favourite.  Even now she is too soft with him.   

A new Netflix documentary on Epstein/Andrew, a new book on his life, no interviews with FBI even on Skype, the ski chalet debt thing grinding on etc etc. The take on Andrew nowadays from the Daily Beast, including the observation that even before Covid-19 Andrew became a no show at his favourite haunts, in London, abroad, elsewhere in England. With the exception of Balmoral with mummy of course.

Prince Andrew Faces Fresh Humiliation Over Jeffrey Epstein, the Royal Scandal That Never Ends (https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-andrew-faces-fresh-humiliation-over-jeffrey-epstein-the-royal-scandal-that-never-ends)

Quote from: Curryong on May 22, 2020, 11:49:29 PM
A new Netflix documentary on Epstein/Andrew, a new book on his life, no interviews with FBI even on Skype, the ski chalet debt thing grinding on etc etc. The take on Andrew nowadays from the Daily Beast, including the observation that even before Covid-19 Andrew became a no show at his favourite haunts, in London, abroad, elsewhere in England. With the exception of Balmoral with mummy of course.

Prince Andrew Faces Fresh Humiliation Over Jeffrey Epstein, the Royal Scandal That Never Ends (https://www.thedailybeast.com/prince-andrew-faces-fresh-humiliation-over-jeffrey-epstein-the-royal-scandal-that-never-ends)

I think it is unlikey that he's going to socialise as he used to do..   he is now condemned to a life where only a few friends and famlily will be there for him.. and his mother is not going to throw him out.

Prince Andrew will be able to keep his three Royal Protection Officers (at a cost of 300,000 pounds a year) after the Queen appealed a Home Office cost cutting exercise. They were supposed to be axed on Monday.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/118014...yguards-queen/

I thought I read somewhere else its only a temporary reprieve. Hes still on course to lose his security

Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on June 08, 2020, 09:29:14 AM
I thought I read somewhere else its only a temporary reprieve. Hes still on course to lose his security

Can't quite see what he needs security for anway, as he's stuck at home and isn't doing any kind of royal duties.  I think in the near future he will lose the tax payer funded security and the queen will have to pay

A kidnapping, a killing/murdered may and has occurred with famous public persons right in their own home, quarantined or not.

Disclaimer: Playing the devils advocate of what is facts and historical.

I've just purchased (at a cheap price) the new bio of Andrew by Nigel Cawthorne. Atrociously written, so much so that I wonder whether he bashed it out on his laptop on a 24 hour period, including the time when he should have been sleeping!

Some of the indulgences shown to Andrew as a child by both his parents but not to the other siblings are detailed. He certainly does not appear to have been popular with his peers or superiors during his training for the RN nor afterwards as a junior officer. 'Full of himself' was the prevailing view.

A great deal of the book is taken up with Epstein and his victims, innumerable girls' testimony and statements. There are also descriptions of the highly unusual interior decoration in the Epstein residences which it would have been impossible for anyone who wasn't blind to miss. A 'masseuse' was available to passengers on Epstein planes.

There are also accounts of his travels with Ghislaine M over the years, and of the friendship between the Yorks and Epstein and his procurer of a girlfriend. Financial Corruption as well, Andrew saying to a friend 'You're talking my language!' when the pal suggested a way of covering things up. Nobody could read this and have any lingering respect for Andrew whatsoever!

This sounds like a hatchet job.. while God knows Andrew's behaviour has been beyond appalling in latter years.  However I don't think he was always like this. Arrogant, spoiled and selfish, yes but I think he did his best to bea  good husband to Fergie and  a good father. I think the increasing corruption started with the break up of the marriage.  He wanted money for himself and Fergie and both of them began to cultivate dubious friends and dubious business deals to get it..

Prince Andrew?s biographer picks apart Duke?s FBI cooperation claims | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1304810/prince-andrew-news-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-fbi-investigation-duke-york-royal-family-spt)

In February, QEII and the DoE shared a baby photo of their second son who was the first baby born to a British monarch in over 100 years. (Click on the link to see a black and white photo of Prince Andrew sitting with his maternal grandmother.

The Queen shares baby photo of Prince Andrew to celebrate his 60th birthday | London Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/queen-shares-prince-andrew-baby-photo-60-birthday-a4365841.html)

QuoteThe Royal Family Instagram and Facebook accounts posted two photos to celebrate the occasion on Wednesday.

One is a black and white childhood photo of Andrew with his grandmother, the Queen Mother, and the other an official portrait taken in recent years.

A caption reads: "On this day in 1960, Prince Andrew was born at Buckingham Palace, the first child born to a reigning monarch for 103 years. Happy Birthday to The Duke of York."

Wolf is one of the levels for Cub Scouts. :)

A wedding, a pregnancy and an outcast: The York Family?s Year in Review ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/a-wedding-a-pregnancy-and-an-outcast-the-york-familys-year-in-review-154040/)  :snowflake:

A year that saw the Duke of York absent from all public royal events but that brought happy news for the family with the announcement of Princess Beatrice's wedding and Princess Eugenie's pregnancy.

Andrew may be put in the spotlight in the bullying Inquiry at BP aides fear. There have been reports for a very long time about Andrew?s attitude towards staff, including shouting and ?unreasonable demands?. Apparently he did things like insist his drinking water was at room temperature and that his valet had to take a six foot ironing board with him whenever he travelled with PA.

Aides now fear complaints about Prince Andrew's behaviour towards staff | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9334021/Aides-fear-complaints-Prince-Andrews-behaviour-staff.html)

Very glad that an outside firm is taking charge of the investigation at BP as they do need to have a policy in place regarding allegations of bullying coming from the "principals" aka member of the BRF as well as other employees.

Security scare at Windsor as woman, 44, walks into Prince Andrew's house | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9493415/Security-scare-Windsor-woman-44-walks-Prince-Andrews-house.html)

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QuoteA 44-year-old woman who claimed to be engaged to the Duke of York was let into his official Windsor residence by bungling security guards, it has been revealed.

Security officers were so taken in by the Spanish national's polished appearance they even paid her cab fare before waving her into the grounds of Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park at 11am on Monday.

The woman, who has now been sectioned under the 1984 Mental Health Act, spent 20 minutes wandering the grounds before heading inside the Grade II listed building to ask a member of staff where the duke was, reported The Sun.

Police were called and she was held in the lobby after she told the staff member she was engaged to Prince Andrew, her name was Irene Windsor and she lived there with the duke.

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This reminds me of the story about the woman in India who threatened to sue Harry for breach of promise to marry her, that appeared online about a week ago. There are certainly some very disturbed people around, who need some extra care and attention.

Thank you for the reminder @Curryong. I was sure that there had been another recent incident with someone convinced that they were engaged to a royal but I couldn't remember which one. Windsor Castle Estate security let her in because she was well groomed and nicely dressed?? Why didn't they contact Prince Andrew to see if he knew her name or was expecting a guest? <_<

Someone is going to be in trouble.  Poor security

A thread to discuss general news for Prince Andrew. Do not post or discuss anything related to the investigation into Prince Andrew.




Andrew seems to be doing quite nicely thank you in spite of recent disgrace. He left his father?s funeral in a new 220,000 pounds Bentley he had spray painted racing green. It had been blue when it was delivered.

Prince Andrew leaves father?s funeral in brand new ?220,000 Bentley ? Royal news | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1424941/prince-andrew-prince-philip-funeral-royals-latest-news-jeffrey-epstein-bentley-Flying-Spur)

Prince Andrew is removed from almost 50 patronages as charities rush to distance themselves from him over to links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein

Groups such as the Royal Navy and Royal Marines Children's Fund and the Children's Foundation have all dropped the Duke of York as a patron, according to the Sunday Telegraph

The above news confirms he is forever banned to be a senior working royal, a fear by some that he was looking for ways for a come back.

Over on another forum a poster stated that at the time many of Andrew?s charities ditched him after the disastrous BBC interview, he still had about 300 charities, many of them possibly dormant. So there must be about 250 remaining from now. The one that should go is his Colonelcy of the Grenadier Guards. The Grenadiers didn?t want him but were told there wasn?t an option, they had to accept him. However, as he has completely retired from public life he?s hardly likely to be riding in the Trooping of the Colour in the future.

That's good.

Do you think there will be Trooping and Ascot during Charles reign? Perhaps new events that represent Charles until his life cycle is over, come William. I'm moving the question to Charles board/When king. Sorry.

Fitting to place this article in this thread, PP is dead so?

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Can there be any more dramatic case of royal redemption than that of Sarah, Duchess of York?

Exiled after her divorce from Prince Andrew, Fergie has been welcomed back into the fold to such an extent that she has been invited to stay at the Queen's Scottish retreat this summer, I can disclose.

And, unlike previous visits, when she had to make a quick getaway before Prince Philip arrived, the Duchess can stay at Balmoral for as long as her ex-husband.

'Sarah Ferguson is coming,' confirms my man in the kilt. 'She will be here with Andrew.'

The Duchess, 61, has been invited to the Deeside castle in previous years, but has stayed for just a few days until the Duke of Edinburgh joined the Queen.

Until his death in April, Philip had studiously avoided Fergie since a tabloid newspaper disclosed details of her affair with American 'financial adviser' John Bryan in 1992.

She was staying at Balmoral on the day that paparazzi photos were published of Bryan 'sucking' a topless Sarah Ferguson's toes (while she was still married to, but separated from, Andrew).

Fergie may as well enjoy it while she can. Unlike the Queen, neither Andrew nor his ex wife are exactly great favourites of Charles. In the new reign the best either of them will probably be able to hope for will be one of those cottages that dot the Balmoral estate. As well as his relatives (and Camilla?s) house guests at the castle are likely to be the same friends that now come to Birchall. And that doesn?t include Andrew or Fergie.

Prince Andrew is 'keen to re-marry Fergie' after they 'rekindled' their love during Covid-19 pandemic and she stood by him during Jeffrey Epstein scandal, sources tell Vanity Fair
Prince Andrew, 61, is 'keen to re-marry' his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson, sources said
Despite being divorced since 1996, the Duke and Duchess of York remain close
Last week, the Queen's son, 61, travelled up to the monarch's Balmoral estate
Joined by Sarah, who recently said 'divorce is one thing, but my heart is my oath'

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/00cfac62-1e38-11ec-9699-f7cb5224a0e1?shareToken=0bdc33482253b38fc214e0ae10874cc0

The chalet is sold, the dispute with the ex owner with the Yorks has been dropped. as soon as the money of the chalet is transferred, the bank will transfer the debt to the Rouvre's.

More problems for Andrew, though not surprising really. An anonymous Tory donor, read banker friend, apparently paid off an over one million pound loan for him when he was a working royal, the Times reports. .

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-donor-repaid-prince-andrews-1-5m-loan-w7rmljc87

Placing this article here as it covers the entire York family.


A look back at the York Family?s tumultuous year ? a time filled with joy, heartbreak and dilemma ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/a-look-back-at-the-yorks-year-169548/) As the title suggests it does cover the highlights and low points for the Yorks in 2021. The DoY and Sarah, Duchess of York welcomed their first grandson and granddaughter in the same year. Everyone experienced the loss of the DoE and Jack's father George in addition to along Andrew's continued legal issues.

Quotene could say it has been quite a busy year for the York family with both highlights and some more difficult moments. Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie both welcomed their first child, Sarah, Duchess of York, published another book, and Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, found himself dealing with legal issues in the United States. With 2021 coming to a close and 2022 upon us, Royal Central is taking a look back at the year the York family had in 2021.

Security breach at Windsor Castle as a woman attacked Prince Andrew's car.

Royal security breach after woman ambushes Prince Andrew?s car whilst driving through Windsor ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/royal-security-breach-after-woman-ambushes-prince-andrews-car-whilst-driving-through-windsor-169922/)

QuoteA woman impeded the Duke of York?s car on Friday as he drove through Great Windsor Park.

The unidentified woman ran into the path of Prince Andrew?s car and started banging on his windows.

Prince Andrew, who was behind the wheel at the time, did not acknowledge the woman.

Police and Windsor Castle security were later seen talking to the woman and she was later arrested and taken to police custody.

A Thames Valley Police spokesperson said that officers were called to Albert Road, Windsor at around 10am on Friday morning.

They added: ?A 50-year-old woman, of no fixed abode, has been arrested on suspicion of using threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour to caused harassment/alarm/distress.?

This is the second time that Prince Andrew?s security has been breached this year.

Back in April, a woman was mistakenly allowed to access the Duke of York?s home.

Security officers at Royal Lodge granted the woman access to Prince Andrew?s residence after she told them she had a lunch appointment with the Prince.

I'm opting to place this article here as I believe it applied to Prince Andrew's reported behavior that impacted his royal duties including his high profile appointments and not solely to his association with Jeffrey Epstein. As many of us have long suspected it appears that the Duke of York's staff were too afraid to stand up to him and it negatively affected their working relationship with him. IMVHO his  alleged abusive behavior  should have been the catalyst for Buckingham Palace HR to initiate policies pertaining to the "principals" and their staff.

I'm sorry for his long frustrated staff as it is so difficult to work with anyone who refuses to take the sound advice of more knowledgeable and experienced staff. Glad that Charles and William stepped in when they did but I wish it that had occurred long before with HM and the DoE taking a firmer hand with their second son.

Royal staff 'sleepwalked' into Prince Andrew crisis and were 'too scared' to stand up to him | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10359529/Royal-staff-sleepwalked-Prince-Andrew-crisis-scared-stand-him.html)

QuoteSpeaking on condition of anonymity, a senior former royal adviser stressed that while there was no knowledge of the extent of the duke's friendship with Epstein and Maxwell to anyone outside of the prince's private office, the 'Andrew problem' was a long-running issue for the royal household in general.

'Anyone who even dared to offer their professional advice that maybe his way wasn't the right one was met with a decisive 'f*** off out of my office',' the source said.

The account is backed up by other former royal staff, all of whom claim the prince acted as if he 'didn't have to answer to anyone' and was allowed to 'go rogue'.Particularly troublesome, it was said, was Andrew's role as a roving trade 'ambassador', which saw him repeatedly criticised for cosying up to highly controversial world leaders and businessmen.

A former Buckingham Palace staff member recalled how it was an 'impossible job' to persuade the prince or his advisers to take any instruction. 'The duke made clear that the only person he answered to was the Queen,' they said.

'He wouldn't take advice from anyone. [He] acted with total impunity and staff were just too scared to stand up to him as a member of the Royal Family. Her Majesty almost always backed him and he fully exploited that.

'There's an element of Buckingham Palace sleepwalking into his whole crisis. Andrew would tell his family that it was all untrue and it would all go away.'

This thread has now closed. Please continue any discussion that is not related to Prince Andrew's legal issues  or the other existing stickied threads in this new one. Thank you