A thread to discuss the future roles of the Prince and Princess of Wales :windsor1: :Jen:Prince William receives confidential cabinet papers - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35116875)
QuoteThe Duke of Cambridge occasionally receives copies of confidential cabinet documents, the BBC has learned.
A Cabinet Office spokesman said that, as a future heir to the throne it was "appropriate that he is regularly briefed on government business".
It was revealed on Tuesday that Prince Charles receives such material routinely - as does the Queen.
Campaign group Republic said there was "no good reason" why Prince William receives such information.
BBC royal correspondent Peter Hunt said Prince William receives documents to help him understand Whitehall procedure and to prepare him for becoming king.
This week Republic received four chapters of the Cabinet Office's "precedent book", after a three-year freedom of information battle.
The book shows Prince Charles, the Queen, ministers and a handful of others get papers from cabinet and ministerial committees.
Of Prince William, the group's chief executive Graham Smith said: "There is no mention of this access in the documents released this week. It appears to be a free for all.
"We support Labour's call for an inquiry, so we can know how much information is being handed to which royals."
^ If there is a constitutional monarchy then it is appropriate in my view that the monarch and his/her deputy see the papers in the red boxes. I'm surprised that William also sees them. However, that's just being prudent, I suppose, when the Head of State is almost ninety and her heir is in his late sixties.
What I object to and always have, (as most of you know), is an heir who decides to be a very active lobbyist and uses privileged information to press his case.
I don't care if Charles's causes are just or need to be brought to ministers' attention. I'm not worried about his heart being in the right place, dah de dah. He should be like his mother, IMO, and pick his line in the sand, and otherwise keep quiet.
As for pressing his rights over the Duchy to government ministers when there are proposed changes, I am extremely uncomfortable over that as well.
Quote from: Eri on December 19, 2015, 08:05:57 PM
Totally normal especially since Liz is 90 and Chuck well into his 60's ... it would be weird if he didn't ...
^ I agree with you there Eri. I think it's excellent that William's getting some documents (and only some) . The Queen's nearly ninety and when Charles becomes King William as POW will be getting quite a few more papers from the red boxes. So he might as well start now.
The articles do not sound like he might as well start now, but it doesn't say since when he has had access to the red box.
A fact of William's kingship studies though via authorized by QEII - Robert Hardman's book, Our Queen, says he is "professionally" studying and following since age 10.
By 2011 the book said 2 decades, he is 33, age 10.
Well if he is reading "confidential" cabinet papers, it is the Black Box, regarded in higher confidentiality.
But the red box, The term red box informally refers to a ministerial box containing cabinet papers. The black box (which also has a red stripe) is a highly secret box of confidential papers. Source: UK Gov.
I think this is a normal thing ... all part of being ready to be King ... I don't get who can possibly have an issue with this ... no matter how one feels about him the last thing anyone wants is for Willy to be unprepared to be Head of State ...
Quote from: wannable on December 19, 2015, 11:17:48 PM
Well if he is reading "confidential" cabinet papers, it is the Black Box, regarded in higher confidentiality.
But the red box, The term red box informally refers to a ministerial box containing cabinet papers. The black box (which also has a red stripe) is a highly secret box of confidential papers. Source: UK Gov.
Here is a little information about the boxes used by the government of the UK.
Red box (government) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_box_%28government%29)
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Quote from: Eri on December 20, 2015, 12:12:10 PM
I think this is a normal thing ... all part of being ready to be King ... I don't get who can possibly have an issue with this ... no matter how one feels about him the last thing anyone wants is for Willy to be unprepared to be Head of State ...
As I recall Princess Elizabeth had access to them during her father's reign. :)
QuoteEverything the Royals do or don't do is closely scrutinized by both the media and the public. The Cambridges haven't been without controversy. They've been dubbed workshy and lazy. Even Prince Harry couldn't escape that label when his grandparents and father and stepmother worked more than his brother, sister-in-law and him last year. The Duchess of Cambridge was heavily criticised for missing last year's St. Patrick's day service where she was supposed to hand out shamrocks.
For Prince William, add disrespectful to a list of criticisms. He was off on a drunken skiing holiday rather than attending an important event for the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth as a whole.
His uncle, Prince Andrew also went on a brief skiing holiday, but returned to London in time to attend Monday's events; and he will never be King yet he knows of the importance the day's events are to the Royal Family and to the people of the Commonwealth.
Read more:
How seriously does Prince William take his royal duties? ? Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/other/how-seriously-does-prince-william-take-his-royal-duties-78209)
IMO he does take them seriously. However the UK is in a unique situation of having a monarch, a controversial adult heir and adult heir-to-the-heir currently undertaking engagements on behalf of the nation along with 12 other people who are considered to be the "working" members of the BRF. AFAIK he's never missed an engagement that he was scheduled to be present at in the past. Is he perfect absolutely not, but IMO does what is currently required by the monarch and requested the government. He's taken on additional patronages and now investitures as his grandmother finds those activities to be physically taxing.
His grandmother has indicated that she will not abdicate and wants to continue her role for as long as possible. She is slowly handing over more duties to her heir and his heir, but it is on her desired timetable. Typically these announcements that she is going to slow down occur after a specific milestone ie: 90th birthday, diamond jubilee, etc.. Her family follows her lead in these matters.
I do believe that William (along with Kate and Harry) do their best to not overshadow the Queen, DoE, and more importantly the PoW and DoC. Just this week there was another article stating that the PoW must be skipped over in favor of William due to his sharing of his political opinions. It's a tricky situation balancing the the desire for the press to see the younger royals who are all taking on more duties and the lack of interest in the heir/consort. It's unfortunate as Charles is very well prepared IMO. The media has far more interest in the activities of the grandchildren than they do the heir, his wife and the queen's other children/cousins. They want to see them out because it brings in more revenue.
I'd like to share this example. The direct heir to the Swedish throne recently took about 2 and a half months off to have private time with her family. She was using the rest of her maternity leave and understandably wants time with her small children while she can. During her absence there was an incoming state visit between Sweden and Canada. AFAIK there was no outcry in Sweden or anywhere else calling attention to her commitment to her royal duties. William goes skiing with friends on a Friday, Saturday, and returns home on a Sunday. He is not present at an event that he was never scheduled to attend, but the press goes wild. :shrug:
I am a bit conflicted on this one. On one hand I hear voices that William can be quite stubborn and will not tolerate any criticism or advice. On the other hand, there are those who say that the Charles is so sensitive to any perceived sleight or criticism that his sons go out of their way not to offend him or even give the impression of offending him. At this point I am not sure where it is William that is workshy or whether he is deliberately being kept in the background until Charles says otherwise.
The press speculation muddles the waters so much that one does not know what to believe any more. A case in point is that article about skipping a generation. That to me is a perfect example of click bait journalism. There is not a chance that the royal family or the government would ever entertain such a proposition. For a start it is unconstitutional and therefore illegal. Secondly there is absolutely no empirical evidence to suggest that William would make a better king than his father or that he would ever countenance betraying his father by grabbing the throne. To write an article proposing it, does nothing more than rile people up. I understand that the DM has now become a clickbait site so maybe that is what passes for journalism these days.
@royalanthropologist - It's a tricky balancing act like I mentioned earlier.
IMHO Charles should be the next king. As long as he understands that he needs to keep his opinions private, then I do believe that he is the best prepared PoW in history. I am sorry that he will be assume that role though when he's a senior citizen. However the suggestion that a generation should be skipped has been raised since the failure of his first marriage. Unfortunately it does show up in articles and opinion polls on a yearly basis.
I do not believe that his heir and second son want to see this happen. They are good supporters of their father, but the media loves having young royals and their private lives to write about in their articles. It doesn't help that in the NL, Spain, Belgium, Jordan, Morocco, and Luxembourg there are younger monarchs to focus upon. In Norway, Sweden and Denmark there are young CPs and their adorable children. In the UK...this is happening with the monarch's grandchildren.
I've read and listened to interviews from William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, Peter and Zara all saying that they ask Granny and Grandpa to slow down and to let them help. So far it has only resulted in a slight change in their schedules. Yes it is true that the Prince of Wales funds his children and daughter-in-law to go about their engagements. As Kate and William become full time, this spending will have to increase. When Harry becomes a full time royal then it will be an additional expense for the Duchy of Cornwall.
I'm sure that William and Kate are relishing this time with their young children by assuming a part time royal role. His parents as the P and Pss oW did not have this option and IMO it did not help their marriage. William has had the opportunity to serve the people of East Anglia with EAAA, but this is ending. Their lives will change this fall as they move back to London and take on a full time role in the BRF. I envision the same happening for Harry and his future spouse unless things have changed dramatically and Charles is now on the throne.
When I'm looking for articles to post here I'm trying to avoid the DM if I can find another English language article. Only problem is that the DM has the best photos.
Yes DM has great photos but goodness me, the quality of journalism has really gone down there. I was reading some article about the commonwealth day and the grammar/spelling would not get me out of elementary school. Really terrible stuff on DM at the moment.
Prince William can no longer be seen as the party Prince if he wants to be a serious heir.
Prince William can no longer be seen as the ?party Prince? if he wants to be a serious world figure - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXWAdobXjIA)
what party prince?? For goodness sake, Will may not be that fond of his royal work, but he ahsn' beena party prince for years.
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Quote from: TLLK on March 15, 2017, 08:48:05 PM
@royalanthropologist - It's a tricky balancing act like I mentioned earlier.
IMHO Charles should be the next king. As long as he understands that he needs to keep his opinions private, then I do believe that he is the best prepared PoW in history. I am sorry that he will be assume that role though when he's a senior citizen. However the suggestion that a generation should be skipped has been raised since the failure of his first marriage. Unfortunately it does show up in articles and opinion polls on a yearly basis.
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then it will be an additional expense for the Duchy of Cornwall.
I think the queen will go on till she drops.. doing nearly as much as she does now. Phil is stepping down but he's 95. (great old bloke). but I agree that Charles IS well prepared I don't think that his 1st marriage is still an issue, though the press problaby still prattle about it at times because it is still "the exciting story" in his life and beats talking about how he went to see an organic farm.
I agree that he has been a bit too prone to use his position to put forward hs opnions but in spite of the sneering at the "green spider" letters, quite often his common sense views ARE sensible and popular with the public,...
I think that he will always be a bit inclined to try and put his views forward but I think he has sense enough to keep it minimal when he becomes King.
I think the idea of skipping a generation was problaby privately considered by the RF back in the dangerous days of the early 90s becase at the time Charles was seriously unpopular. And they may have considered all options and felt that if he were to formally relinquish his place and it passed to Willm, that might be the best solution to his and Camilla wanting to get married. However I'm sure that the Queen the RF and the PM didn't want it because it broke with tradtion and would require legislation and might set a dangerous precedent. And Charles ddn't want it. but after a while the heated feelings of disliking Charles faded from the public and they began to revert to a common sense view that yes, he'd behaved badly, yes he had a bad marriage nd was getting divorced.. but that hundreds and thousands of people had done this and it idd not mean that they could not do their jobs. And Gradually, he returned to a reasonable degree of popularity, he married Camilla, and the world didn't fall in.
Good points
@amabel and IMHO there is no reason to skip Charles in favor of William.
Quote from: sandy on June 18, 2017, 02:15:18 PM
I don't think dislike of Charles has totally evaporated. He is still not Mr Popularity with everyone.
Charles does what he wants so it is no surprise that he married Camilla. He was also spending big bucks on her PR and it was not to keep her on as a mistress.
doesn't matter. he does't have to be "Mr Popular", he just has to be the queen's eldest son..
Sandy it doesn't matter what he tells the public. he is the queen's son and he's going to be king. William will be King but not for many years yet.
No denying that. But it is not known when William and Charles will move up. There are no term limits.
This has probably been discussed before, but I'm not scanning 395 pages of posts. When Charles is King and, assuming William one day becomes Prince of Wales, is there any foreseeable difficulty of the people accepting Kate as the Princess of Wales in all respects? I would assume not.
Some say they don't approve but it will make no difference. That title belongs to the wife of the POW at any given moment in time. That is just the way it rolls.
I realize that, but it's not what I asked. The public attitude of many toward the current person who is married to the Prince of Wales is well known, but since Kate is in a completely different position, I would think the people would accept her gladly when many do no accept "that wicked woman."
That may be true of course but the reality is that their acceptance or non-acceptance has never changed the status of any princess of wales. The idea of "acceptability" has been driven by the media and commentators but it really does not change much. Yes, Kate will probably have an easier time since she has no baggage but that is just a matter of perceptions. The title is set in stone. Nothing that her detractors say or think has ever stopped "that wicked woman" from enjoying all the privileges of her position. For example, they have not cancelled an invitation or banned her from any event (save from Diana's remembrance which was understandable) because of her "wickedness". The moment you become HRH, things fall into place. Everyone pays heed to your every word and whim (at least those that really matter in terms of being close to you)
Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 11, 2018, 02:17:16 AM
Yes, Kate will probably have an easier time since she has no baggage but that is just a matter of perceptions.
Thank you. I was just looking for opinions.
@Mike-I don't see there being an issue with the public accepting and acknowledging Kate being known as the Princess of Wales.
That's what I was thinking, but the question popped into my head and wouldn't go away.
I'm in no hurry to see this happen.
This would also mean Queen Consort Camilla.
I don't see a problem either. Kate in the last several years has stepped up her game. I think at first acceptance may be a bit harder for William since his father has held the title for 60+years. The last time the title was publicly used was 20 years ago and as I said Kate has upped her game with engagements and has proved herself admirably.
Kate did work before the maternity leave. But both Kate and Will probably won't be seen much now. Whether they step up to full time duties still remains to be seen. I don't see a problem with William and Kate as Prince and Princess of Wales provided they maintain full time royal duties.
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Quote from: wannable on May 11, 2018, 05:03:43 PM
This would also mean Queen Consort Camilla.
And it would mean the Queen passed on which I hope is not soon.
QuoteWhether they step up to full time duties still remains to be seen
As QEII's grandsons and their spouses have been transitioning from part time to full time, we're seeing an increase in the number of patronages/charities/military appointments that they've taken on over the years. At this point in time though, they do have
significantly fewer patronages than their grandparent, parent, aunt/uncles and QEII's cousins. Most of those royals have dozens if not hundreds of patronages/charities/military appointments. As the patronages/charities/military appointments for the grandchildren increase, so will the number of annual engagements being performed. (Even though KP has not released an official announcement regarding Harry being part or full time, I'm going to consider him full time.)
Another very large royal site has been keeping tabs on the engagements that are performed by all of the working members of the BRF They base the tally on information published in the printed version of the Court Circular. (The online version is not accurate.)
Currently for QEII's grandchildren: their engagement tally reflects the following from Jan. 1, 2018 to May 3, 2018.
William-78 -Currently the patron, president or honorary colonel, air commodore or sub commodore for 22 organizations.
Kate-49- Currently the patron, president or honorary air commodore of 15 organizations.
Harry-55-Currently the patron, president or honorary colonel, commodore of 18 organizations.
(Information gathered from the official British monarch website and includes the recent patronage/charity/military appointments for the Cambridges and Prince Harry.)
(I didn't count the organizations in which the brothers or Kate are currently honorary members ie: Automobile Association.)
(Meghan's joint or solo engagements will not be tallied until after the wedding.)
I think Catherine will do an admirable job someday as Princess of Wales when she gets that title with William. Now is not the time for her to be pursuing lots of royal duties as she is still a young mother with babies at home. NO amount of nannies or housekeepers or whomever can take the place of a *mother*. IMHO for now I would hope that some can see her main duty in life if raising her children and teaching them the values of being royals someday. Being a mother is first and foremost the most important duty right now that she can perform, all else will wait and let other royals pick up the events that need to be attended to.
@Nightowl-I do believe that while the children are not all in school full time that she'll follow the example of the other royal ladies before her who saw an increase in their duties and appearances when their children entered school full time. Even Anne had few engagements when her children were young. :)
QuoteKate and William do manage to leave the house for vacations and other fun events. I don't think Kate doing say 6 hours a week or less would hurt them.
The Queen's grandchildren will have to pick up more patronages and hold more meetings for that to occur if you are thinking of these six hours being public events that the press is invited to. Keep in mind that it does require their charities to spend some money to put on the bigger events that attract the press ie: fundraising events or open houses. That's part of the reason why most royals only visit them publicly about twice a year. :) There are private events such as regimental dinners or meetings at KP with various organizations that might receive a mention in the Court Circular but do not involve the press being in attendance.
William is already taking on some of QEII's tasks ie: investitures which are scheduled throughout the year at regular intervals and he's been accompanying his grandmother to some of her events ie: meeting various Heads of State so that has shown an increase in his presence.
I actually like that W&K (and Harry, I don't know if he will continue or all will add on zillions of patronages or not) are focused on a dozen issues/charities, and their Royal Foundation and Royal Forums. The public remembers these constant yearly actions rather than the hundred/thousands of charities visited by QEII once a year, Quantity effort but not the Quality effort. HM case is like going to work and doing 1 thing only daily and different to the rest of the year, each day lived as such, end of the year throwing arrows at all directions.
Apart from the other routinely yearly formalities; investitures, tours, receptions and the like.
All of the young ones IMO need to move from the "fun" patronages involving watching sports. And graduate to the more serious issues.
Actually most of the senior royals have some sporting patronages particularly those that have a cultural or historic tie to the UK ie: rugby, tennis, cricket, etc.. Royals in other nations around the world have similar involvement with their nations' sports as well. QEII, the DoE, the PoW, DoC, PR, DoY and EoW have had or currently are patrons of sporting organizations.
IMO the grandchildren have taken on very serious issues especially with their interests in mental health, homelessness, AIDS, hospice care, conservation, endangered species, bereavement, veterans, and support hospitals that provide care to the UK's citizens.
Some sporting patronages not most or paying attention to them the most.
The sporting patronages like other organizations, aksi have charitable foundations attached to them too. So if a royal visits an event in which the goal designed to promote youth fitness in football, swimming, tennis, equestrian, rubgy etc.. Than I don't believe it is the same as attending a match. Also some sporting events have set dates for events in which the royal would be expected to appear. The Princess Royal is the UK's Olympic Representative for the IOC. It would be expected for her to appear at an Olympic Game to support the team and meet with other IOC officials as the nation's designee.
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Princess Royals just had a sports related event yesterday as President of the Royal Yachting Association. Like the other working royals, she appears to have found a good balance with her patronages/charities IMO.
When Catherine becomes The Princess of Wales, hopefully the public does not compare her to her mother-in-law when Diana was Princess of Wales. They are entirely two different ladies. They may have the same title. Why do comparisons have to be made?
To be honest, I think Catherine is more on the Queen Mary or even QM side of things...absolute loyalty to her husband and the institution as well as a composure that is surprising for someone who is not yet 40 . You get the feeling that with Catherine, the monarchy will be safe. She will never do anything to upset the cart.
I was just thinking about this after Reading the thread about PC's future reign. I wonder how PW will be as king?
We've heard and read about PC being outspoken as POW. So we can make estimated guesses about how he will be when he is king.
We also know what issues are close to his heart. We, or I atleast, don't know that much about PW. What is his reign going to be? Has he shown or given clues as to what kind of monarch he would be? Would it be more like PC or QE? And what issues does he care about?
It would be quite interesting, i think, to have a discussion around that. Don't know if this subject has been brought up before so please forgive me if i'm being repetitive.
I think William has given a few clues as to what sort of monarch he will be. I feel he will be more like his grandmother than his father, will be very quiet, very discreet and really value his privacy and family life. I can't see him being controversial like Charles in taking up causes and writing many letters to Government ministers in pursuit of them. However, what he does share with his father is an interest in the environment and I can see him involving himself in those issues and in keeping up work with endangered animals and against wildlife poaching.
He also clearly cares about Mental health issues and I think that has been a cause of his....but I agree that I think he cares more about his private life and family than making hs mark as POW or King.. unlike his father.
And that there may be the beginning of problems. I do not think the British will tolerate a disengaged king who is all about enjoying family life. William will have to drastically up his numbers in terms of engagements. The quiet style will keep the republicans at bay for a bit but I think in about 30 years time, the monarchy will be on very thin ice. The true monarchists will start dying out and William in his 60s will look every bit as stuffy as his father is today when compared to the young generations at the time.
The queen has always been dutifiul, but she has always been shy and not very good IMO in the public engagements side of the job... She does it, but she's stiff and has not got an easy manner and her heart is really in her private life, not in 'the job"... Will is the same, in that he does the job, but he's rather shy and awkward and would really be happier if he could lead a more private life and work as a pilot or manage his estate...
I don't want to get ahead of myself, but let's see. He said in the BBC Charles 70th special that he is his own man and will be handling the DOC and position as POW very differently from his father....whatever that is, his dad IMO has been the best ever POW.
Yes. It is good to be one's own person. However, I must say that in terms of the activities of POW (not the private life) Charles has set the gold standard. Never have we had such an influential POW with such a wide range of activities. Those are hard boots to fill and William has his work cut out. I can only imagine the headlines of the duchy went into the red after years of being in the green or the engagements fell drastically. The "wants to spend time with his family" stuff will be wearing very thin soon. He and Kate need to really up their game in terms of engagements and interests.
I agree that Charles has been the best prepared and a very dedicated Prince of Wales but I believe part of this is due to the fact that he's been the longest serving Prince of Wales in history. He truly needed to and managed to find purpose in a life that was largely meant to be an extraordinarily long period of "waiting." At age 70 Charles will see yet another of his peer group ascend to the throne in April, while he will likely be in the same role for a few more years. Yes Charles and William are increasingly taking on more of QEII's duties but until then, they're both in a holding pattern. I believe that Charles' reign will be shorter than his mother's and William's tenure as PoW will be shorter than Charles'. Also I do believe that there will be a smaller pool of royals performing engagements on behalf of the monarch in the future, so the future Prince and Princess of Wales will likely be very active especially if age begins to limit the King/Queen Consort's activities.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on February 24, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
Yes. It is good to be one's own person. However, I must say that in terms of the activities of POW (not the private life) Charles has set the gold standard. Never have we had such an influential POW with such a wide range of activities. Those are hard boots to fill and William has his work cut out. I can only imagine the headlines of the duchy went into the red after years of being in the green or the engagements fell drastically. The "wants to spend time with his family" stuff will be wearing very thin soon. He and Kate need to really up their game in terms of engagements and interests.
Precisely, the BBC interviewer asked him, and Prince William said there is no booklet or standard, position description however one wants to put it. He said, one has to make it as one thinks it should be for each POW.
I hate using the generalized words usually said when asked (but one doesn't want to spill/disclose until its ones time), hence I don't want to get ahead of myself, but Prince William said that he has his own 'ideas' and will 'modernize' the DOC and POW, the smile in his face when he said those words, whilst his eyes looking intently at the interviewer who is not shown in camera, but to the public viewers. Goose bumps in a 'good' way, but hey. Sometimes ideas/modernization may be shot down by his experts that work in the DOC or courtiers when he is POW. Or the other way, the employees/staff at both DOC/POW will say that's a lightbulb moment, let's go for it!
Honestly I can't wait for the new era, in a good way of course, wishing Her Majesty QEII long live the Queen.
Quote from: TLLK on February 24, 2019, 02:54:24 PM
I agree that Charles has been the best prepared and a very dedicated Prince of Wales but I believe part of this is due to the fact that he's been the longest serving Prince of Wales in history. He truly needed to and managed to find purpose in a life that was largely meant to be an extraordinarily long period of "waiting." At age 70 Charles will see yet another of his peer group ascend to the throne in April, while he will likely be in the same role for a few more years. Yes Charles and William are increasingly taking on more of QEII's duties b
Who's that then? I think that William like his father will have a bit of a wait to take on the throne.. but I don't think it bothers him the way it did Charles. I think he's happy enough having had years of freedom form full time royal duties and being able to spend time with his wife and small children
QuoteWho's that then?
In April the Japanese Emperor Ahikito will abdicate and his heir CP Nahurito will ascend to the Chrysanthemum throne.
oh yes forgot about him cos I don't know much about the Japanese emperor. I think that Charles did decide to "make lemonade" out of his hving to wait for the throne. and he has done a great job with it.. WIlliam.. time will tell.. but I don't think he's so activist minded as Charles.. which has its benefits.
^ It does. William went to China, Israel, Palestine, Gaza Strip. And IMO did an excellent job, he looked and did the part, so much so, even political writer/journalists said he looked like a statesman.
Charles criticized one way or another those countries or said something controversial as small as it may be to his not so neutral position.
I think William just isn't as into ideas as his father... and he's quite new to the "diplomatic tuors" part of the job, so he is going to toe the line.. Im sure when Charles was just starting his POW work, he too was more compliant..
It would be wonderful if he followed QE II style, no public opinions, no activism, no controversy. The Crown is to help unify the people, whatever their believes.
For example, if a royal were to make pro abortion comments, this alienates those citizens who are not pro abortion.
^ Charles has made many many speeches and comments for over thirty years on the environment, architecture, town planning, alternative medicine etc, things he's passionate about. So in your opinion his reign is going to be full of controversy and activism?
Yes, Prince William will have a good 10-20 years to wait before he's Prince of Wales.
Quote from: Curryong on February 25, 2019, 05:29:30 AM
^ Charles has made many many speeches and comments for over thirty years on the environment, architecture, town planning, alternative medicine etc, things he's passionate about. So in your opinion his reign is going to be full of controversy and activism?
I hope not. Where we stay, our monarch just helped to smooth over a tense transition period from an old to a new government. And he had that authority and trust of the people from both sides of the divide because he was apolitical.
I personally believe that QE II example is an excellent one to follow. We do not need to know their opinions or their passions. Their main role is soft diplomacy( which the BRF are excellent at), a symbol of unity and stability.
Charles opinions of alt medicine , for example, could be downright harmful if he were more persuasive in converting people to his beliefs.
Do you think King William V would want to be the patron of British Youth Opera, Music in Country Churches, and The Alnwick Gardens Trust like his father was the patron?
No, because as far as is known, William has no interest in that sort of music or in gardening.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on March 08, 2019, 08:40:56 PM
Do you think King William V would want to be the patron of British Youth Opera, Music in Country Churches, and The Alnwick Gardens Trust like his father was the patron?
Yes.
Personal interests has little to do with their royal duties.
Some of the things may personally interests them more than others.
It is their job to protect, protect, bring awareness to whatever of their country.
Ex. Sophie and the cheese factory. Does she even like cheese or that English cheese?
She put on her boots. Patted the cows. Listened to the workers. Acted interested. Made the cheese. Ate some cheese. Smiled for the cameras.
Now she was, we know, very interested and moved to tears at something for the hospital where she almost died and LadyLousie was born. She was deeply moved, interested, thankful again to staff still there and everything.
Whatever PC, PofWales has, I assume these duties will be for PW when he gets in the next position.
Maybe King Charles will keep these .
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Quote from: Yangkueifa on February 25, 2019, 05:10:16 AM
It would be wonderful if he followed QE II style, no public opinions, no activism, no controversy. The Crown is to help unify the people, whatever their believes.
For example, if a royal were to make pro abortion comments, this alienates those citizens who are not pro abortion.
Or even who likes some kind of English cheese or not. See my post about Sophie at the English cheese factory.
Point is she was to make and promote for her country that England makes some good cheese. English people, go buy some of that cheese. Keep that English business going. Export that English cheese.
Same for Camilla at the something royal , what is it she is patron of, English lace?
I've just got a feeling that the next reign and the next will see a real falling off of the minor charities and patronages that the BRF now holds. It's been said that the Royal Foundation with its umbrella set up to encompass a range of interests under it is the way that William and Harry wanted to do it. The Queen has hundreds of charities she never visits, for which she is just a name on a letterhead. That doesn't appear to be the way the younger royals want to play it.
I very much doubt that King William will be carrying hundreds of charities that are never visited under his banner. That's the way of the 1950s when the Queen came to the Throne. And in a way Charles being a workaholic with a wide range of interests, has carried it on. And that Church music in country churches is very Charles and personal to him! If I didn't know he was patron I would have guessed it!
Will Charles, as an elderly King, be adding more of these individual and quite esoteric charities to his bow when he comes to the throne? Don't think so. His new press of royal duties has already seen him dissolving some ties with charities connected with the Princes Trust. And that is likely to continue with many of his other charities, IMO.
I agree
@Curryong that we'll see the BRF involved with fewer patronages in the future as it does appear that a smaller working roster is in the works. IMO the Queen's grandchildren and their spouses are going to have far fewer patronages/charities than the previous generations, but they'll be more involved in ones that are focused upon the nations and the Commonwealth.
Agreed.
Charities that do the same thing need to merge if they want to survive.
Imho, the BRF does certain things very well, and, hopefully Kings Charles and William will continue to do them.
1. Promote British products. Where I stay, brands with the royal warrant are much more expensive than others, yet are perceived to be of better quality, so shoppers will still buy them. One eg Twinings tea. Marlborough college opened a branch in Asia. Before Kate, nobody here had heard of Marlborough. Fees are very high, yet it's got a waiting list and to most locals, it's referred to as the school that Princess Kate attended, rather than Marlborough. Kate is also very popular in China.
2. Soft diplomacy. Most Asian commonwealth countries do have a positive view of British colonial reign, except maybe India. Our education systems are still somewhat similar, we love our colonial missionary schools, and send our kids to the uk for university education, paying full fees which are truly high. Royal visits generate a lot of lasting goodwill with the population.
3. Bringing attention to local problems by visits and walkabouts, especially to poorer communities in the UK. Like the recent NI and Blackpool tours. Give the people some attention, give them hope.
4. As a symbol of unity in difficult and tense times. As a neutral figurehead for the armed forces to rally to when a country is politically fractured and divided. A politically neutral head of the armed forces feels much more reassuring to the population when politics are tense.
Therefore, we do not need charismatic, activist, passionate,powerful rock star royals. We need royals like QE II, HM the QM, etc.
Most of the actual work is done behind closed doors, as per QEII meeting the pm, etc
Prince William on making his mark on father's Duchy of Cornwall legacy: 'I?ll never know as much as he does, but I?ll try my best' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/10/11/prince-william-making-mark-fathers-duchy-cornwall-legacy-never/)
QuoteQuietly, over the last year or so, the Duke of Cambridge has become a feature of Duchy life, as father and son enter a period of gradual transition which has seen them work closer than ever before.
His day-to-day life sees him read and reply to two boxes of paperwork a day, mixing his father?s ink letters with texts, emails and calls to staff across the way at Kensington Palace.
He has frequent meetings with the Queen and now speaks to his father regularly about work, making them ?the closest they?ve ever been in that sense?
While Prince Charles had, as he puts it, a ?baptism of fire? in inheriting the Duchy, William has been able to ease towards the next major transition of his adult life with his father, grandmother and grandfather on hand.
Closer to home, the influence of the Duchess is clear as the steady, supportive backbone to the family life with three boisterous children he has always craved.
William should not put himself down that way. He has his own gifts and can't be a clone of his father in how he thinks. He needs to have a more positive outlook to inspire people. IMO anyway.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 05, 2019, 01:28:43 PM
Prince William on making his mark on father's Duchy of Cornwall legacy: 'I?ll never know as much as he does, but I?ll try my best' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2019/10/11/prince-william-making-mark-fathers-duchy-cornwall-legacy-never/)
Thank you for sharing this
@PrincessOfPeace and it's nice to see you posting again after a long absence. :welcome:
Kate Middleton news: Duchess? title would change if Prince George is king for this reason | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1194171/kate-middleton-news-royal-title-hrh-prince-george-queen)
This article declared that Catherine would have her own coronation to honor the title of Queen Consort. Would she not be crowned Queen Consort when William V is crowned King?
:crown: :crown: :crown: :crown: :crown: :crown: :crown: :crown: :crown:
It is very doubtful IMO that Kate will have her own coronation. She is a consort and would be crowned after William is.
Yes that would happen at William's coronation. (Do not know if he plans to use William as his name once he's the monarch.)
The article is just speculation about what would occur if Catherine was widowed.
QuoteThe Duchess could be named as the queen mother, but only if she is the window of a king.
A new monarch is usually crowned when their ruling parent dies so this could be the case when George takes the throne.
The Queen mother has the same duties of the queen consort which means Kate?s responsibilities would probably not change very much if this happened.
The Duchess would stay one of the most senior members of the Royal Family.
Well AFAIK there was no coronation ceremony for QEQM after the death of George VI and the coronation of QEII. The two women were named Elizabeth so "Queen Mother" was given so there was a distinction between the two. The other option would have been "Dowager Queen."
The Queen Mum wanted a role for herself. She wanted to be known as Queen Mother.
Quote from: TLLK on November 08, 2019, 12:47:51 AM
Yes that would happen at William's coronation. (Do not know if he plans to use William as his name once he's the monarch.)
The article is just speculation about what would occur if Catherine was widowed.
Well AFAIK there was no coronation ceremony for QEQM after the death of George VI and the coronation of QEII. The two women were named Elizabeth so "Queen Mother" was given so there was a distinction between the two. The other option would have been "Dowager Queen."
Also there was another Dowager Queen who was alive when George VI passed away-Queen Mary. So with two widowed Queen Consorts, it worked to have a distinction between the ladies.
IMO the 'Queen Mother' monicker was given to the present Queen's mother purely and simply because the two women had the same forenames, and both were entitled to be addressed as Queens, one Consort of course, and one Queen Regnant.
The QM was still a fairly young woman, just 51 when her husband died. It was expected that she would resume some sort of public life, charity work at least, if not the Royal tours etc that she eventually took on, and she would still be at the centre of royal family life.
How else were courtiers and the general public going to differentiate the two? 'QEII and the other one?' 'The mum and the daughter, and pick which one we are talking about?' So everybody used a common sense solution.
It was a unique situation because the only other Queen Regnant's mother still alive at the time of her daughter's Coronation with vaguely the same name, in British history (or alive anyway) had been Queen Victoria's mother. Her mother was christened Victoire but she had never been a Queen Consort. Her husband, the Duke of Kent, had died prematurely.
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There's never any separate Coronation ceremony for a Queen Consort in the modern age. Queen Consorts are 'crowned' immediately after their husbands in the same ceremony and at the same location.
In centuries past Queen Consorts did have their own 'Coronation'. For instance Elizabeth, Henry VII's Queen was crowned several weeks after her husband in a separate ceremony. Ann Boleyn, Henry VIII's second wife got her own ceremony, nearly five months after marrying Henry in 1533.
Quote from: sandy on November 08, 2019, 01:02:07 AM
The Queen Mum wanted a role for herself. She wanted to be known as Queen Mother.
She did not like the title of Queen Mother very much
That would be a sight to behold, appropriately #woke and #GenderEquality. :windsor1: :Jen:
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William III and II and Mary II reigned jointly
Date of accession: 13 February 1688/1689
Time intervening: 1 month 29 days
Date of coronation: Thursday, 11 April 1689
Presiding cleric: Henry Compton, Bishop of London
YouGov and Ipsos should make a survey about this particular question.
Quote from: amabel on November 08, 2019, 10:37:05 AM
She did not like the title of Queen Mother very much
I read that she did like it. But I read she was unhappy when she made the move to Clarence House after her husband died.
William and Mary reigned jointly because of Mary's relationship (daughter) to the previous monarch, the Roman Catholic James II, who was still alive but had fled to the continent. She was the heiress (in the succession.) Her husband who was Stadtholder (ruler) of the Netherlands, (and Mary's first cousin) refused to invade Britain and take the throne on his wife's behalf unless he could be King and rule jointly with her.
This was agreed to by Parliament and consented to by his wife. There is no equivalent in modern history as this measure was agreed to to ensure a Protestant monarch at a time of national emergency. There have been no dual monarchs since that time, nor would there be any need for any.
I would like to see her crowned (modern history) like the latest Princess Alexandra of Denmark (Coronation: 9 August 1902 Ceased to be Consort: 6 May 1910 Husband's death) Princess Mary of Teck (Coronation: 22 June 1911, Ceased to be Consort: 20 January 1936 Husband's death) Lady Elizabeth Bowes Lyon (Coronation: 12 May 1937, Ceased to be Consort:6 February 1952 Husband's death )
and
Not Crowned (modern history) Prince Phillip (Incumbent Age: 98 years, 151 days counting)
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*****
IF that information is wrong or otherwise, someone needs to edit CORRECT Wikipedia.
Yes, the Coronation ceremony for Queen Consorts (same place/occasion as their husbands was well established by the beginning of this reign. Queen Victoria apparently briefly discussed Prince Albert becoming a King Consort in the early 1840s but Parliament wouldn't have it. Prince Henrik of Denmark, the consort of Queen Daisy complained long and hard about his position, in vain. Daisy wouldn't comply!
There have been discussions about the gender bias against male consorts on another forum over the years, but as the male equivalent of a Queen being a King (which trumps the status of a Queen, even a Queen Regnant,) it's unlikely to happen. It's also incompatible to the laws of succession if there's a female heir. Philip hasn't even made it to Prince Consort level, nor do I think he really wanted it. Albert was a political figure in a way Philip could not be in a modern constitutional monarchy.
Prince William has been attending meetings of the Duchy of Cornwall on average once a month for over the last year but we must remember William has been preparing for this for years.
Here?s a statement from 2015 from The Duchy Secretary, Alastair Martin, he confirms that William, 33, now attends meetings of the Duchy Council and says: ?I brief him and seek his views, particularly on long term projects.
?Part of my job is to keep on with the process of familiarisation because no one knows when the succession is going to happen.?
William will be a very good Duke of Cornwall when his time comes.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on November 11, 2019, 07:43:14 PM
Prince William has been attending meetings of the Duchy of Cornwall on average once a month for over the last year but we must remember William has been preparing for this for years.
Here?s a statement from 2015 from The Duchy Secretary, Alastair Martin, he confirms that William, 33, now attends meetings of the Duchy Council and says: ?I brief him and seek his views, particularly on long term projects.
?Part of my job is to keep on with the process of familiarisation because no one knows when the succession is going to happen.?
William will be a very good Duke of Cornwall when his time comes.
Yes, and he gets to spend "business" time with his father - learning directly from the one who carved out the role. Nobody could provide better guidance.
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Prince William and Kate Middleton Are a 'Great Double Act' as They Prepare for the Throne
"They are gracious and natural and yet able to really connect," a source tells PEOPLE
By Simon Perry December 18, 2019 08:00 AM
Kate Middleton and Prince William stole the spotlight at Queen Elizabeth?s Buckingham Palace last week, making it clear that they are ready for the next step on their royal journey.
Entering the glittering palace ballroom behind the monarch and Prince Charles and Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, Kate and William mingled expertly with partygoers at the Dec. 11 reception for diplomats.
?They combine grace and regal presence with a lovely human touch,? a guest who attended the annual bash tells PEOPLE in this week?s cover story. ?They are gracious and natural and yet able to really connect.?
The future King and Queen, who have been married for eight years, are honing their expertise as they go.
Prince William Kate Middleton Are Double Act Preparing for Throne | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/prince-william-and-kate-middleton-are-a-great-double-act-as-they-prepare-for-the-throne/)
Until the DM purchases Simon Perry, People @copyrights we will get to know more of the inside the magazine cover story.
QuoteAs they near 40, both royals are also keenly aware of the passage of time ? and how much closer it brings them to the throne.
?The monarchy is approaching a very challenging period of change,? says royal historian Robert Lacey. ?Charles is going to have his work cut out coping with the transitions. It?s good to have that reassurance in the new generation that there is someone stepping up to the plate.?
:royalsneeze: :Jen: :windsor1:
I know right. Some people will be boiling mad about WK stepping up the plate. If interested Chris Ship also did a podcast inviting Lizzie ITV and Russell Myers. Basically the entire podcast is about Charles the Shadow King and WK stepping up the plate, so I believe the inside story of People is pretty much the same.
William and Kate are not next in line. Charles is the heir. And the Queen is still with us. I don't think the pair stole the spotlight from HM. Who would be "boiling mad?" The fact is they are not next and how "close to the throne" they are is truly an unknown quantity. Charles is not called the Shadow King, no such title. He is officially the Prince of wales. William remains heir to the heir.
They have appeared at this same event for several years now. People just repeats and rehashes what's already been published in UK sources.
In Touch Magazine goes beyond this and writes how the Queen is making William the next King and she is resigning and Charles won't be King.
the Queen is an old lady. Charles is getting near to the throne.. and Will and kate are taking on more of his duties...
True, but the media do like to make ''headlines''. The cover of People catch is The Throne
Look just now with the new pictures of William driving his family out of BP lunch, check the headline...
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Royal taxi of mum and dad: Prince William drives Kate Middleton home with George, Charlotte and Louis in back seats as The Firm leave Buckingham Palace after the Queen's Christmas lunch
Meaning: William and his family are The Firm
william and his Family are Part of the Firm. Unless all the others quit. The sentence is clumsy. They are not saying william and Kate are the Firm they left with the Firm.
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Quote from: amabel on December 18, 2019, 03:34:27 PM
the Queen is an old lady. Charles is getting near to the throne.. and Will and kate are taking on more of his duties...
She is old but still alive. It has not happened yet.
Quote from: wannable on December 18, 2019, 03:14:21 PM
I know right. Some people will be boiling mad about WK stepping up the plate. If interested Chris Ship also did a podcast inviting Lizzie ITV and Russell Myers. Basically the entire podcast is about Charles the Shadow King and WK stepping up the plate, so I believe the inside story of People is pretty much the same.
I'll try to find it. Thank you for the information.
Quote from: wannable on December 18, 2019, 03:46:56 PM
True, but the media do like to make ''headlines''. The cover of People catch is The Throne
Look just now with the new pictures of William driving his family out of BP lunch, check the headline...
Meaning: William and his family are The Firm
That headline means as ALL the senior royals leave BP after the lunch. Senior royals are the Firm, not two people, one a married-in. Are you implying that Charles, the future King, Camilla and people like Anne and the Wessexes aren't part of the Firm, which was just a throw away remark at the time it was given anyway and doesn't mean anything in substantive terms?
William is not on the throne yet and might not be for another twenty years. Also, although Harry and Meghan weren't there yeasterday they are also senior royals, so let's not get ahead of ourselves! At this moment William is still only second in line, the same position he's been in all his life.
They should have added ALL, 3 letters more. :xmas1:
People has a caveat in the article that it is unlikely the Queen then Charles would step aside for William.
Although this survey is from November 2018, it shows that the majority polled preferred to see Charles as the heir following his mother instead of William moving ahead of his father.
Daily Question | 12/11/2018 | YouGov (https://yougov.co.uk/topics/arts/survey-results/daily/2018/11/12/e3290/3) 3628 adults surveyed
QuoteThinking about the future monarch, which of the following would you prefer?
Prince Charles should succeed as King after Queen Elizabeth II
39%
Prince William should succeed as King after Queen Elizabeth II instead of Prince Charles
33%
Neither - there should be no monarch after Queen Elizabeth II
16%
Don't know
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For in a year of self-generated royal calamities, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have proved ? as demonstrated by a prime-time TV appearance with national treasure Mary Berry and that captivating family snap on their Christmas card ? to have quietly morphed into the country?s most popular royals.
Compared with the rather showy, celebrity- obsessed lifestyles of some of their nearest and perhaps not so dearest, William and Kate?s brand of unabashed ?middle classness? is being seen as a royal USP ? unique selling point ?not a label of derision
Indeed, as one insider put it to me this week: ?It feels like this has been the year everyone fell in love with the Cambridges again.?
More: William and Kate's annus MIRABILIS: Reinvention of the Cambridges | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815275/William-Kates-annus-MIRABILIS-Reinvention-Cambridges.html)
Pretty much preparing for POW. There are many things that may be discussed in the article.
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Whitehall sources tell me they have been so impressed by what the couple achieved over the past 12 months that they plan to put William and Kate at the vanguard of a post-election, Brexit-soothing charm offensive, both in the UK and abroad.
@wannable-Yes there are many things to note in the article: domestic and foreign engagements, William/Charles relationship and the couple's approach to their duties.
QuoteThese Monday-to-Friday mini-tours will become their modus operandi in future ? and when longer trips beckon, as they may next year, they will try to work them around the school holidays and take George, Charlotte and Louis, too.
?Family time remains an absolute priority,? a source tells me.
?William?s experience as a young boy, being shuttled between two parents, has left him determined to lay down solid foundations for his own brood. One, if not both of them, do the school drop-off or pick-up pretty much every day, and they always sit down to eat together as a family. He is a very doting and hands-on dad.
?The fact is, he knows what?s coming and wants them to have as normal a childhood as possible while they can.?
I believe that while the children are young, that the Mon-Fri. mini tours are a manageable way for them to take on foreign travel for the monarch and the government. If the Pakistan trip is a model for the future tours, it was a successful one. :nod:
Rebecca covered every aspect; their duty and personal life.
How many threads one may open :hehe:
It's also good to read that George is inscribed at a football club and Charlotte at Ballet, both go to this extra curricular activities with their friends weekly. The media agreement, hence the DOC's giving access to more pictures.
@TLLK yes about the business trips, and if any longer than a week, they will take the children with them, as long as its holiday, no interruption of school.
It also appears that father and son have reached a better place in their relationship which should bode well for the future.
Quote from: wannable on December 20, 2019, 11:59:56 PM
Pretty much preparing for POW. There are many things that may be discussed in the article.
The Queen is not "through" yet.
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Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on December 20, 2019, 11:53:44 PM
For in a year of self-generated royal calamities, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have proved ? as demonstrated by a prime-time TV appearance with national treasure Mary Berry and that captivating family snap on their Christmas card ? to have quietly morphed into the country?s most popular royals.
Compared with the rather showy, celebrity- obsessed lifestyles of some of their nearest and perhaps not so dearest, William and Kate?s brand of unabashed ?middle classness? is being seen as a royal USP ? unique selling point ?not a label of derision
Indeed, as one insider put it to me this week: ?It feels like this has been the year everyone fell in love with the Cambridges again.?
More: William and Kate's annus MIRABILIS: Reinvention of the Cambridges | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815275/William-Kates-annus-MIRABILIS-Reinvention-Cambridges.html)
Not everybody buys into the hype about them. They still have a lot to learn and People Magazine made a note that neither the Queen nor CHarles are likely to "abdicate" for William.
The Daily Mail can't help making snipes at Meghan and Harry. To me it makes the hype over the Cambridges insincere since it is used to criticize the Sussexes.
I only hope Kate and William don't believe all their PR hype. NOt good for them because they will get smug. The media does turn on a dime. . William of all people should know this, he witnessed how his mother was raised up by the media only to be knocked down.
The DM is so unsubtle.
Quote from: wannable on December 21, 2019, 12:14:29 AM
Rebecca covered every aspect; their duty and personal life.
How many threads one may open :hehe:
It's also good to read that George is inscribed at a football club and Charlotte at Ballet, both go to this extra curricular activities with their friends weekly. The media agreement, hence the DOC's giving access to more pictures.
@TLLK yes about the business trips, and if any longer than a week, they will take the children with them, as long as its holiday, no interruption of school.
outside the birthday photos what is this "access to more pictures"?
Taking pictures of children in Royal parks or private parks with notices and rules in the UK is fairly young, 10 years. Permission from parents is a must when strangers picture take minors. They've been to polo, parks, accompanied parents to a summer sailing duty, first day at school, bday pics, accompanying mom at her garden show and filmed, otherwise the public would have amuch more limited photo op.
I see this agreement a continuation until the 3 children graduate from university or military academy.
QuoteThe Queen is not "through" yet.
No HM is not "through" but this is the time for thorough training for the heir and the heir-to-the-heir. Each needs to be prepared to take on his next role. As QEII delegates more of her activities to her heir, his heir and her other adult children/grandchildren and along with their spouses, it's necessary for all of them to be ready for the time when her reign will come to an end and Charles' will begin.
QuoteThey still have a lot to learn
All the more reason to have both of them out undertaking domestic and foreign tours/ engagements on behalf of the monarch and the government. All of this will help to prepare them for their future role as King William and Queen (consort) Catherine of the United Kingdom.
Quote from: Curryong on December 21, 2019, 04:08:53 AM
So William was 35 years old when he started learning about the Duchy. So much for that part time agricultural course he started years ago!
Actually I believe he began learning about different aspects of the Duchy when he worked on the dairy farm during his gap year and later with the agricultural course at Cambridge. However I would say that two years ago marked he began learning more about the management of Duchy of Cornwall via attendance at the meetings and working with the management team.
Quote from: wannable on December 21, 2019, 03:22:23 AM
Taking pictures of children in Royal parks or private parks with notices and rules in the UK is fairly young, 10 years. Permission from parents is a must when strangers picture take minors. They've been to polo, parks, accompanied parents to a summer sailing duty, first day at school, bday pics, accompanying mom at her garden show and filmed, otherwise the public would have amuch more limited photo op.
I see this agreement a continuation until the 3 children graduate from university or military academy.
whatever are Wiliam' feelings, his kids will always to be seen at Trooping the colour, at polo and arriving at 1rst day in school.
Earlier this year there was a documentary on the Duchy of Cornwall. The Telegraph followed Prince William for a day in the life. It reported William reads and responds to a box of correspondence a day. None of which is recorded in the CC.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on December 30, 2019, 12:54:50 AM
Earlier this year there was a documentary on the Duchy of Cornwall. The Telegraph followed Prince William for a day in the life. It reported William reads and responds to a box of correspondence a day. None of which is recorded in the CC.
IMO this is all training for his future role as Head of State. :nod: Like his grandmother and father, this work is not mentioned as an "engagement" in the CC though it is a part of their daily lives.
It really should not be counted as an "engagement" just part of the routine. And much of the correspondence gets screened. There are also security issues with public figures getting mail so of course it must be screened first.
I agree that the daily correspondence/red boxes work shouldn't be entered as an engagement in the CC, however it should be acknowledged that the Queen does a great deal of work behind the scenes. Her heir and his heir are also learning on the job what it means to look over those documents and involved themselves with the paperwork that is part of being the HoS.
As for correspondence to the individual members of the BRF regarding their work, future events etc..all of them do have at least one secretary to assist with that correspondence.
William has been receiving official documents since 2015.
Prince William receives confidential cabinet papers - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35116875)
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Here is an old article that reviews what QEII does in her day including her paperwork.
The Queen's working day - Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/7870095/The-Queens-working-day.html)
Quote from: sandy on December 30, 2019, 05:43:31 PM
I think all the senior royals do this. And they are of course screened ahead of time by secretaries. They must get a lot of mail.
Yes I should have been more precise. This is official correspondence relating to his involvement with the Duchy of Cornwall. It?s not just random letters from the public which does get screened by private secretaries. And as
@TLLK stated, William receives cabinet papers from the government.
Quote - The Duke of Cambridge is a senior member of the royal family and future heir to the throne and therefore of course it is appropriate that he is regularly briefed on government business, a Cabinet Office spokesman said.
The retired BBC RR says that the Queen admires Kate, quietly working behind the scenes.
Kate should work publicly mostly. The behind the scenes story has been going on for years and was never applied to the Queen or Charles. Royals should let the public know their work by being visible.
I don't see any "reinvention" just lot of PR for them which is not always a good thing.
QuoteThe behind the scenes story has been going on for years and was never applied to the Queen or Charles. Royals should let the public know their work by being visible.
I disagree
@sandy. Of course royals make public appearances, however there is a large part of their work that does not happen in front of a camera or outside of their offices/residences. All British and European monarchs work on their paperwork and with the elected PM "behind the scenes." All working royals meet with their secretaries, their charities, and patronages "behind the scenes" to discuss ways to improve their fundraising, make annual goals, and confer on their plans for the year.
I notice the "working behind the scenes" was used a lot for Kate when she started out and was not seen that much. She was criticized for low work numbers even before she had children. I think lately the promotion for Kate has been rather heavy handed. With some articles talking about her as though she's the next Queen Consort. When she is married to heir to heir and not the heir. What the Queen "thinks" is subject to speculation.
I think that people like to see the royals out working rather than reading about what they do when they are not seen publicly or reports to that effect.
@sandy- Yes she and other royals in the BRF have been criticized for "low numbers" over the years that but, keep in mind that all royals in the UK and around the world work "behind the scenes." For the monarchs in their respective nations, this is a large percentage of what they do in working with their governments, their military, their charities/patronages and IMO it should not be dismissed as it is an important part of their role.
As for recent articles about Catherine or any other member of a royal family, this is another quiet period as most of them are quietly enjoying the beginning of the New Year so it's not surprising that there are filler articles like this one. Only the Japanese and Danish courts are active now with their traditional New Year events.
She may indeed be the next Queen consort if Camilla does not use the title of Queen. and again Sandy most people don't pay the slightest attention to the royals. They may vaguely notice if they see something int the paper.. so as long as they do some public appearnances, and do some behind the scenes work.. they are OK...
@amabel-I agree. Few people spend their day discussing royalty and typically it's only big annual events that get the majority of citizens in a monarchy to discuss their monarchs and their families.
Quote from: TLLK on January 02, 2020, 05:35:37 PM
@amabel-I agree. Few people spend their day discussing royalty and typically it's only big annual events that get the majority of citizens in a monarchy to discuss their monarchs and their families.
Plus a lot of work behind the scenes goes into a public appearance...
@amabel-Yes this is very true especially those that involve elaborate ceremonies: Investitures, coronations, funerals, weddings, christenings, state visits, national days, opening parliament etc... We've seen this just in the past few months with the Japanese Imperial Court.
Also every royal family has to plan their annual calendars and they must involve a great deal of coordination among the royals and those involved in the public event.
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Camilla is styled Duchess of Cornwall and she opted not to use the title Princess of Wales which she has.
Just a reminder there are existing threads to discuss Camilla's current and future title and we should discuss it there.
Quote from: sandy on January 02, 2020, 05:47:10 PM
No not really, Camilla may not "elect" to use the title of Queen Consort (which I very much doubt). If she uses Princess Consort she'd still be in effect the Queen Consort. She would still have it but not use it. Camila would be HRH and married to a monarch. That won't happen with Kate until WIlliam succeeds.
Camilla is styled Duchess of Cornwall and she opted not to use the title Princess of Wales which she has.
if Camilla does not use the title Queen Consort, then Kate will be the next queen consort..
The Cambridges have a wait to be King and QUeen despite some misleading headlines by some of the media.
However when reviewing this article, I did not read anything that suggested that the Cambridges are considered to be the next King and Queen of the United Kingdom. :shrug: It only refers to them preparing to be the future Prince and Princess of Wales.
QuoteThis balance is vital as the couple embark on the next step of their royal journey, preparing to become the future [/i]Prince and Princess of Wales.
William and Kate's annus MIRABILIS: Reinvention of the Cambridges | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815275/William-Kates-annus-MIRABILIS-Reinvention-Cambridges.html)
well if the monarchy lasts they will be King and queen consort one of these fine days...
Quote from: TLLK on January 02, 2020, 07:10:52 PM
However when reviewing this article, I did not read anything that suggested that the Cambridges are considered to be the next King and Queen of the United Kingdom. :shrug: It only refers to them preparing to be the future Prince and Princess of Wales.
William and Kate's annus MIRABILIS: Reinvention of the Cambridges | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7815275/William-Kates-annus-MIRABILIS-Reinvention-Cambridges.html)
I don't see anything "Mirabilis". They are the same old same old with the addition of a lot of PR. And a way of deflecting IMO the Andrew situation since a lot of it involves bringing out the children more so than I have seen in previous years.
Well it appears that some in the British government believe that the Cambridges are excellent representatives for the nation post-Brexit, so expect to see them being sent overseas in 2020 and beyond.
They've also been complimented for following HM's example according to the writer of this article.
QuoteTheir determination to ignore the naysayers and follow the Queen?s example by focusing on what matters, namely their family and charity work, has paid dividends.
As a result we see a new Brand Cambridge: solid, relatable, reliable. And in these times of political upheaval, royal advisers feel strongly that it is what the country needs.
And Charles still travels and I believe Harry and his wife will continue to travel and represent the UK.
Yes with the exception of QEII and the retired DoE all other members of the BRF do travel, but it appears that there are those in the government believe that the Cambridges will be excellent representatives for the nation Post Brexit.
Quote from: TLLK on January 03, 2020, 01:41:03 AM
Yes with the exception of QEII and the retired DoE all other members of the BRF do travel, but it appears that there are those in the government believe that the Cambridges will be excellent representatives for the nation Post Brexit.
just as well since they and Charles are the main future of the monarchy...
Quote from: sandy on January 02, 2020, 05:21:41 PM
I notice the "working behind the scenes" was used a lot for Kate when she started out and was not seen that much. She was criticized for low work numbers even before she had children. I think lately the promotion for Kate has been rather heavy handed. With some articles talking about her as though she's the next Queen Consort. When she is married to heir to heir and not the heir. What the Queen "thinks" is subject to speculation.
I think that people like to see the royals out working rather than reading about what they do when they are not seen publicly or reports to that effect.
We do see her out working. Clearly she views her role as also preparing and doing a lot of out-of-view work. I would like to think that the public would understand that she is taking a very active role in developing projects. You can't do that if you don't spend some time in the office. Also, I don't see any reinventing, and perhaps I am na?ve, but I don't see any more PR than usual. I think it is once again the press that pushes their opinions to the forefront. Sometimes it's positive and sometimes it's negative.
The tweet of Boris Johnson says it all.
Prince William carves his own path as monarch in waiting - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/asia/prince-william-pakistan-royal-tour-analysis-gbr-intl/index.html)
QuoteIt's a fresh take on soft diplomacy and Prince William is being talked about as an increasingly powerful asset in British diplomatic circles.
They point to his visit to Jerusalem and the West Bank last year when he found himself being dragged into discussions about how to find a route to peace. Unperturbed, the duke listened, asked questions and then moved on, making everyone he met feel heard.
He's not one to avoid sensitive debate like his grandmother but has managed to adopt her ability to hide his personal thoughts. He has strong opinions but knows he will need to keep them to himself as king and anything he reveals now will be remembered.
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Observations of William during his solo trip to Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories.
QuoteWilliam was intimately involved in the itinerary of the tour and for him it was about getting the balance right. He was there to listen, to learn and to highlight the issues he felt were important, while never articulating nor endorsing a political view.
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The Foreign Office seems to believe that William either solo or with Catherine is to be trusted with handling potentially tricky overseas visits.
Quote from: TLLK on January 03, 2020, 11:49:41 PM
Prince William carves his own path as monarch in waiting - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/asia/prince-william-pakistan-royal-tour-analysis-gbr-intl/index.html)
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Observations of William during his solo trip to Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories.
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The Foreign Office seems to believe that William either solo or with Catherine is to be trusted with handling potentially tricky overseas visits.
William still comes after Charles. William is not an elected official or a diplomat. He is the heir to the heir who does tours. He is not going to mediate or anything like that. How tricky can shaking hands and making small talk be? The really tough part comes with the elected officials and diplomats. Kate certainly is not one to handle anything "tricky." she needs to be gracious and smile and attend dinners and make small talk. I think William and Kate's role is really not that critical. He's heir to heir and not a diplomat. And on the visits media coverage is about her hair, what tiara she wore her gown and jewels and if the outfit was recycled.
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Quote from: SophieChloe on January 03, 2020, 04:36:56 PM
IMO once the Prince Andrew stuff has well and truly blown-over, they'll be back to their lazy, entitled ways. They are what they are...
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Well they would say that, wouldn't they? The pair are lazy and entitled.
I think the PR is way over the top.
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Quote from: TLLK on January 03, 2020, 11:49:41 PM
Prince William carves his own path as monarch in waiting - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/asia/prince-william-pakistan-royal-tour-analysis-gbr-intl/index.html)
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Observations of William during his solo trip to Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories.
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The Foreign Office seems to believe that William either solo or with Catherine is to be trusted with handling potentially tricky overseas visits.
Charles is the monarch in waiting. I wonder if some who read this media stuff about William will be surprised that CHarles comes after the Queen.
QuoteWilliam still comes after Charles. William is not an elected official or a diplomat. He is the heir to the heir who does tours. He is not going to mediate or anything like that.
This is why royal tours are considered "soft diplomacy" while negotiations take place with those in the Foreign Office. With the exception of a few Middle Eastern nations with far more power than their European/Japanese peers, all constitutional monarchies participate in the same type of soft diplomacy. :)
From reading the article I didn't see any indication that Prince William would be expected to "mediate" however he was praised by those who accompanied him for his diplomacy skills.
QuoteI wonder if some who read this media stuff about William will be surprised that CHarles comes after the Queen.
Which publications other than grocery store tabloids are making a claim otherwise? :unsure:
It's not a royal's job to go in for diplomacy. The Queen never did. She would attend state dinners and meet leaders and go on tours but never negotiate treaties or anything like that.
What diplomacy did William show? He was polite and made small talk and shared meals. But he is no Henry Kissinger.
Lots of blogs are going on about how WIlliam should be "next."
QuoteIt's not a royal's job to go in for diplomacy. The Queen never did. She would attend state dinners and meet leaders and go on tours but never negotiate treaties or anything like that.
Attending state dinners, meeting world leaders and going on tours is considered "soft diplomacy." All of her peers who reign in constitutional monarchies do it too.
The monarchs that participate in the actual negotiations tend to be in the Middle East ie: Jordan's King Abdullah as he has far more power than his European counterparts.
Here is a general definition for the term.
QuoteSoft diplomacy is one of those terms that has a somewhat nebulous definition, but you know it when you see it.
Typically, it's a term that refers to attempts to engage directly with the public in round-about ways; it's diplomacy's soft power equivalent in that the goal isn't really about accomplishing a particular substantive task as much as it is to try and alter the fundamental basis under which a diplomatic relationship exists between countries.
The best examples of this are diplomatic trips taken by relatively ceremonial officials like Britain's royal family or the First Lady. While these trips do sometimes have a particular purpose, they almost always have the general purpose of having the foreign official(s) engage broadly with the public and send the messages like "I/we care about you and, by extension, so does my country" or "I'm a good person/we're good people and, by extension, my country is a good country".
QEII's been participating in soft diplomacy for decades. :Jen: All of her family members that undertake tours on behalf of the nation do the same. :nod: The article indicates that the Foreign Office apparently believes that the Cambridges are doing a very good job with this role.
Quote from: TLLK on January 04, 2020, 01:57:50 AM
This is why royal tours are considered "soft diplomacy" while negotiations take place with those in the Foreign Office. With the exception of a few Middle Eastern nations with far more power than their European/Japanese peers, all constitutional monarchies participate in the same type of soft diplomacy. :)
From reading the article I didn't see any indication that Prince William would be expected to "mediate" however he was praised by those who accompanied him for his diplomacy skills.
Which publications other than grocery store tabloids are making a claim otherwise? :unsure:
Queen 'to bypass Prince Charles to naturally pass on Crown to Duke of Cambridge' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1223546/Queen-Elizabeth-II-news-Prince-Charles-heir-throne-Prince-William-Duke-of-Cambridge-royal)
Well, headlines today in one of the so wonderful tabloids that some on this forum praise up to the skies. The text of the article shows that they are quoting a broadcaster (a very ignorant broadcaster) however that won't stop those online who don't read these articles anyway but just peruse the headlines from getting the impression that William is the shoe-in for the next monarch.
Instead of making it absolutely clear that at the moment he is second in line, as he has been all his life. Nothing new has happened, folks. And if Charles follows the lifespan of his parents William may well be in his sixties when he ascends the Throne. (If there's any throne to ascend to by then!)
^^^Too bad the online versions can't be used to wrap up fish or line birdcages. :lol:
Quote from: TLLK on January 04, 2020, 03:25:08 AM
^^^Too bad the online versions can't be used to wrap up fish or line birdcages. :lol:
why take them so serously?
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Quote from: sandy on January 04, 2020, 02:02:24 AM
It's not a royal's job to go in for diplomacy. The Queen never did. She would attend state dinners and meet leaders and go on tours but never negotiate treaties or anything like that.
What diplomacy did William show? He was polite and made small talk and shared meals. But he is no Henry Kissinger.
Lots of blogs are going on about how WIlliam should be "next."
yes she does, engage in "soft diplomacy" under the guidance of the Foreign Office and government. So do Charles and William...
^^^Even in nations with an elected President and a Prime Minister, the president does the soft diplomacy while the PM takes on the more serious work.
William when he is King can not direct foreign policy. HE certainly can be there for "good will" but he has no real role in foreign policy or negotiating policies for his country.. HE is still heir to heir in any case.
AFAIK no British monarch in the 20th or 21st century ever "directed foreign policy" so why is this even being brought up? :shrug: The article makes no mention of William ever attempting to do so. All it does is point out that some in the Foreign Office believe that he is doing a good job
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Prince William's Middle East tour a landmark moment for Britain's future monarch - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/middleeast/prince-william-max-foster-analysis-intl/index.html)
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QuoteWilliam was intimately involved in the itinerary of the tour and for him it was about getting the balance right. He was there to listen, to learn and to highlight the issues he felt were important, while never articulating nor endorsing a political view.
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Quotehey point to his visit to Jerusalem and the West Bank last year when he found himself being dragged into discussions about how to find a route to peace. Unperturbed, the duke listened, asked questions and then moved on, making everyone he met feel heard.
He's not one to avoid sensitive debate like his grandmother but has managed to adopt her ability to hide his personal thoughts. He has strong opinions but knows he will need to keep them to himself as king and anything he reveals now will be remembered.
Quote from: sandy on January 04, 2020, 11:20:31 PM
William when he is King can not direct foreign policy. HE certainly can be there for "good will" but he has no real role in foreign policy or negotiating policies for his country.. HE is still heir to heir in any case.
He is not supposed to do this. What he is supposed to do, is to make diplomatic visits under the guidance of the Foreign office, to promote the interests of the country. And that is what he and the queen and Charles aer doing..
The William praising by the FO and the latest Boris tweet, some people may feel queasy about W meddling into foreign policy?
Quote from: amabel on January 05, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
He is not supposed to do this. What he is supposed to do, is to make diplomatic visits under the guidance of the Foreign office, to promote the interests of the country. And that is what he and the queen and Charles aer doing..
William is second in line to CHarles. He should not have as much to say as his grandmother and father. He is also still learning and not anywhere near close to being in charge. Charles still makes more appearances as it should be.
Quote from: sandy on January 05, 2020, 01:48:37 PM
William is second in line to CHarles. He should not have as much to say as his grandmother and father. He is also still learning and not anywhere near close to being in charge. Charles still makes more appearances as it should be.
The Govt don't agree, since they have asked William go to on visits.
Quote from: amabel on January 05, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
He is not supposed to do this. What he is supposed to do, is to make diplomatic visits under the guidance of the Foreign office, to promote the interests of the country. And that is what he and the queen and Charles aer doing..
Yes just like any other member of the BRF or another nation with a reigning royal family who undertakes overseas visits on behalf of their respective nation. The royals work with their nations' diplomatic corp to ensure that they stick to the "script" for their soft diplomacy events and promote the interests of their nation and good relations with their host nation. With QEII no longer taking on overseas travel, Charles and William are the two most senior representatives at this point in time, however if the FO didn't trust them to follow their approved itineraries or make their approved speeches, they would not be traveling to places which requires them to "stick to the script."
Yes William has undertaken some delicate work in the Middle East last year and is clearly doing a good job..
I think PW is diplomatic and friendly in his interaction with other heads of state. I think Kate is also for that matter.
@oak_and_cedar -Which must make the FO very pleased that this is typically the case for all members of the BRF including the Cambridges. From what I remember reading most of these visits go very smoothly as long as members "stick to the script."
However the CNN article on the Pakistan tour clearly states that he's behind QEII and the PoW. :nod:
QuoteImagine writing your autobiography and publishing it in real time across all media, globally. No editing, no going back and choosing what to leave in and out. And what if this was the latest installment in a blockbuster family narrative going back more than 1,000 years that everyone is waiting to see because it's part of their story too.
Only two people can really relate to the Duke of Cambridge's position and they are his immediate predecessors, the Prince of Wales and the Queen. Those in the direct line of succession bear the responsibility of defining what it means to be head of state, and subsequently what it is to be British.
The UK has had a challenging year with Brexit plans and a the voters sending a clear signal that they're leaning towards the conservatives. From BP the recurring theme from the Queen in the last months of 2019 has been strongly focused on the being reassuring and promoting the continuity of the monarchy as a stabilizing force. I'm not surprised that William is being called a "monarch in waiting" by the media because he is the one who will eventually succeed his father Charles should the UK remain a constitutional monarchy.
I think it's an excellent idea that he is being shown the POW and monarch responsibilities by dad and granny
Quote from: wannable on January 06, 2020, 01:31:39 AM
I think it's an excellent idea that he is being shown the POW and monarch responsibilities by dad and granny
I agree. William is learning be his future role from two respected and experienced senior royals. 👍 Excellent preparation for the future monarch and I hope that George will one day be able to learn from Charles and William.
The wisest move end up in the Middle. NOt hiding, not over doing the PR. Someplace in the middle, just right.
Getting back to the purpose of the thread, I've been bothered by the idea that the Cambridges have been reinvented. I know they all practice public relations, but I have not seen anything I'd call reinventing with the Cambridges. What has happened is that they have been growing into their roles and reached a point where it was noticeable. It didn't happen to just them, but probably to all the already established members of the family. It didn't happen overnight and they haven't changed. William is still serious and not particularly charismatic, but he is getting more accustomed and comfortable in his role and has had success in ambassadorial-type visits. Kate is still serious, does a lot of background work, doesn't do as many engagements, and still spends time being mother to her children, but she has gotten a few projects she's passionate about off the ground and obviously enjoys them.
The Cambridges have faced many changes over the past 4-5 years as a family, as a couple, in their royal place and future. Monarchy is an old form of government but the individuals within the institution have lives that are constantly taking new forms, like any other human life. William, Meghan, and their children will experience many life changes in the coming days and years, as they grow and mature.
It appears that Amanda Platell has become a fan of the Duchess in recent months.
AMANDA PLATELL: No tears or tantrums here, Kate Middleton has become the Royals' crown jewel | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7874905/AMANDA-PLATELL-No-tears-tantrums-Kate-Middleton-Royals-crown-jewel.html)
Amanda Platell is singing Kate Middleton's praises.
Yes she is and Platell admitted that she used to frequently refer to her as "Waity Katie."
Quote from: TLLK on January 11, 2020, 04:35:45 PM
It appears that Amanda Platell has become a fan of the Duchess in recent months.
AMANDA PLATELL: No tears or tantrums here, Kate Middleton has become the Royals' crown jewel | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7874905/AMANDA-PLATELL-No-tears-tantrums-Kate-Middleton-Royals-crown-jewel.html)
I think Amanda's an opportunist. And Kate was reportedly crying according to gossip. I don't think Kate is the royals crown jewel. I don' t think this sort of "worship" is a good idea. There is a danger of Kate becoming too smug and the media can turn on a dime. IF Meghan is not around much, the media usually needs to criticize someone. It could be Kate herself down the road. THe media had criticized her before. when things settle down, the media honeymoon with Kate may end.
I think many people have changed their minds about Kate over the past 4-5 years. I must admit that I have changed my mind. I think she is dutiful and has settled into married royal life in ways that were unanticipated. Kate and William seem to be going from strength to strength. This is a good moment for Kate. :thumbsup:
The media is fickle. I saw the same thing with Diana, all of a sudden the media turn on her.
I have not changed my mind about Kate. She still has a lot to learn before she becomes any sort of "crown jewel." The glorification of Kate may end IMO when the dust settles with the Harry and Meghan situation. I have seen many comments which begin Kate is perfect, then go on th blast Meghan. So some of the praise in blogs and comments may be more a criticism of Meghan than praise of Kate. And I do think some of the comments are over the top. I don't even recall Diana getting called Perfect and epithets like that. Kate has much to learn and I hope she does not believe this glorification and realize it can all turn around some time and I don't think the "honeymoon" will last. Without Meghan, the media will zero in and scrutinize, there was already something in the media about her "pulling away from William when he tried to touch her on the TV show.
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 11, 2020, 10:38:38 PM
I think many people have changed their minds about Kate over the past 4-5 years. I must admit that I have changed my mind. I think she is dutiful and has settled into married royal life in ways that were unanticipated. Kate and William seem to be going from strength to strength. This is a good moment for Kate. :thumbsup:
I wholeheartedly agree
@Blue Clover . :friends:
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Kate's doing her regular amount of work which leads me to think that she's not taking all of this too seriously. Which is good IMO. Keep calm and carry on
Amanda Platell notes that's why she now admires Catherine for remaining calm, collected and carrying on.
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QuoteNo tears or tantrums here, just a woman happy with her lot and who understands how to behave as a royal. And my goodness, given the shock waves convulsing The Firm right now, we should all thank the stars for that.
The way Kate has adapted to her role as future Queen is all the more surprising given what she has had to contend with. When she was courting William in the years before their wedding in 2011, she was derided as a social climber ? with those constant taunts of ?doors to manual? aimed at her mother, a former air stewardess.
Quote from: sandy on January 11, 2020, 01:09:21 PM
Kate could step up the duties. Women are mothers to their children and work 35 hour weeks and help support the family. Kate would merely have to take on a few more hours, the two eldest are in school and the youngest has the nanny helping out. How much "background work" does is subject to speculation. Kate needs to be more than "passionate" she needs to have a regular work schedule.
Kate knows that her biggest role and responsibility is being a mother to her three children. Raising children is not easy, as we all know, and you can do everything right and still have a child, adolescent or adult child in crisis. Raising royal children, especially the heir, is even more challenging, because you do it in the public eye. Judgment will be handed down from the public for every false move by her children in the future. It was announced when they married that the Cambridges would undertake royal work but would hopefully be able to raise their children before full responsibilities began. Kate is working harder than I thought that announcement meant. But she makes sure she spends a lot of time with her children along with her other duties. I think she is absolutely right to do this, even though she has a nanny.
QuoteNo most royals don't visit charities several times a week. They do what they are asked to do, which may be visiting charites or other representational work.... Some Royals have a large portfolio, others have less.
Yes that is true. The royals with hundreds of patronages ie:QEII, PoW, PR- might make a public visit those organizations only once every few years. For example the Queen just passed on the patronage Action for Families to Catherine at the end of 2019. In fact the Queen's last recorded visit to that organization was in 2004. They typically have a busier schedule. When you read the entry in the Court Circular it will reference why the royal is making the visit and more often or not it will mention that particular royal is the patron if this is domestic visit.
Keep in mind it is the organizations that actually organize the events: gala fundraiser, workshop, hospital tour, round-table meeting etc...Some of the larger events like a conference or a gala fundraiser can only happen once a year due to the cost. The organizations contact their royal patrons and see if they can attend.
This is part of the reason that I suspect that those royals with fewer patronages (William-40, Catherine-19, Harry-20, Meghan-5) are not as busy as the family members who have hundreds more. More patronages/charities = more public visits. We do know that the younger members often make private visits that are not usually entered in the CC and that we typically don't have any photos from the event.
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Her Maj may well be saddened and disappointed ? and Charles and Wills left fuming ? but they know they have an asset that will ensure this is all merely a blip.
That asset is Kate Middleton.
She is the jewel in their crown and carries the hopes for their future on her slender shoulders.
Kate doesn?t put a foot wrong. She has coped with difficult pregnancies, rumours about her marriage and accusations of being dull and boring, always gracefully and with dignity.
She is a sweet-tempered, gentle-natured woman but has a core of steel which has helped her survive the negativity. And she is now flourishing at the very heart of The Firm.
Kate has made a happy, loving home for William and their three children and they have never been more popular. Kate?s 38th birthday on Thursday was overshadowed by Harry and Meghan?s announcement ? not the first time they have knocked William and Kate off the front pages.
Remember last year? The Cambridges were all set to launch an important campaign highlighting global warming ? which was scuppered by Harry and Meghan?s bombshell declaration that they were to sue the media.
The launch of EarthShotPrize according to the Sun was delayed and launched end of the year because of the September bombshell interview of HandM.
The Cambridge's will have to readjust their routine with the children and very likely hire 1 more norland nanny.
Right now, Kate isnt the royal who needs to worry about to be liked or welcomed in royal duties
She just will (or not) readjust the routine. She hasn't complained to date with the good bad and the ugly so.
Why would she complain, right now she's praised to the skies. This does not last as history is proven.
Don't know about Europe or America, but Kate and William are extremely popular and well known in East Asia as well as South East Asia., and have been since their wedding.
Well one can't say one minute that the Cambridge's are stepford, boring, stable, follow the book, and all its synonyms towards that geek preppy etc., and the next minute, hour, day say that he will go full ballistic a la Harry.
Although I am wondering, how does William keep it together? Does his wife support him? Does he/she see their weak points and discuss it and fix it rather than showing it in public? Does William privately participate in his own Mental Well Being? His mother leaned on William as her cry shoulder, Biographers have said William was in between the War of the Wales's, Harry was too young, the elder saw more of it.
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It has been exactly a month since Harry and Meghan announced that they were stepping back as senior members of the Royal Family. For the past eight weeks, column inches have racked up about the ?Megxit? bombshell and its impact on the institution of monarchy.
Yet amid all the hysteria and hullabaloo, one of its most important members has been serenely going about the business of keeping calm and carrying on.
Until now this kind of understated behaviour may have been most closely associated with the Queen, but it is her modern day equivalent, the Duchess of Cambridge, who has been quietly putting duty first with increasing visibility.
A recent UK tour to launch her landmark survey on early childhood, combined with well-received visits to Bradford and Mumbles, may at first look like Kate making a conscious effort to fill the void left by her brother and sister in law....
Kate steps up: The making of a future Queen (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/02/07/kate-steps-making-future-queen/)
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The article also claims Kate spent the past 8 years working quietly away in the background. She never took the credit for being the inspiration of Heads Together. During those 8 years she researched and meets frequently with scientists about childhood - its like a university subject, she has become an expert, she knows what she's talking about.
The article goes on that since last year a team of academics have been drafted and also input from the highest echelons of government and security services just for Kate, this set up is to rebuild the monarchy's ''future''.
The couple will be travelling this year to Ireland, Chile and Colombia.
The couple are said to be calm and carry on after the storm of A, H and M.
Thank you for sharing wannable. While we'd been informed about the upcoming trip to Ireland, Chile and Columbia are apparently on the calendar. Typically it's the Spanish royals who I find undertake most of the royal visits to Central and South America as there is a form of confederation for the Spanish speaking nations.
I read the article, too. I'm always reticent to take what the press has to say, but I've long thought Catherine to be that way. She is certainly serious, to the point where she went to visit the Queen to discuss the projects she has initiated during the past year. I think it will be decades before she meets her destiny of Queen, and who knows what the monarchy will be at that time. She is just getting on with work that her position and resources both allow and require her to do, doggedly holding on to the plan that she would be able to spend a great deal of time raising her children before becoming more visible. She and her husband are far from flashy, and as future Prince and Princess of Wales and even more future King and Queen, that is exactly how it should be. I'm so sorry I probably won't get to see her as Queen, because I think she will be a real star.
Heres a peek of my new documentary on the Duke of Cambridge, Prince William: Monarch in the Making. For this programme, Ive explored Williams growing role within the royal family at home and on the world stage. Catch it now on @TrueRoyaltyTV @spungoldtv
- Roya Nikkhah
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Looking forward to seeing this when it comes out.
Looks interesting.
Excellent preview!
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Place to discuss Prince William's ongoing preparation to take on his future role as Prince of WalesQuoteThe Duke of Cambridge might only be second in line to the throne and it may be several years before he is monarch, but he and his wife are already preparing to be King and Queen.
Unlike his grandmother Queen Elizabeth II, Prince William has known from a young age he will one day be crowned King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
But even if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge can count on the privilege of preparing for such a day, they will still face unprecedented challenges during William's reign.
In the latest in our monthly video series, Royal Insight with Camilla Tominey, The Telegraph's Associate Editor analyses how the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are preparing for their future role as King and Queen.
Video from royal reporter Camilla Tominey as to how the Cambridges are preparing for William's next role and when he is the monarch.
How Prince William and Kate are preparing for the throne | Royal Insight with Camilla Tominey - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHqyP53JXTk&list=PLJnf_DDTfIVBv5JIlO5ih5bNVPrI6fyVv&index=1)
Quote from: TLLK on January 05, 2021, 09:29:16 PM
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Video from royal reporter Camilla Tominey as to how the Cambridges are preparing for William's next role and when he is the monarch.
How Prince William and Kate are preparing for the throne | Royal Insight with Camilla Tominey - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHqyP53JXTk&list=PLJnf_DDTfIVBv5JIlO5ih5bNVPrI6fyVv&index=1)
A thoughtful piece. What I hope is that it will be at least a few years away. It would be good for the transition if a period of happiness and success takes place before the next big event.
How Kate is filling the shoes of Princess Diana | Royal Insight with Camilla Tominey - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpa7L6dcw4w)
QuoteThe Duchess of Cambridge has devoted the last ten years of her life to her Early Years campaign. The work she has done highlights the impact a child's first years of life will carry for the rest of their life.
This, The Telegraph's Camilla Tominey says, is part of Kate's drive to establish herself as a senior Royal with her own legacy, rather than being eternally attached to the work of her husband, the Duke of Cambridge. Since her marriage into the Royal family, Kate has been working in the background to build a long-lasting legacy. It follows in the footsteps of Diana, the late Princess of Wales.
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Another "embiggening" effort to detract from her "Waity Katy" reputation! Still waiting for that Queen's crown!!!!
:welcome: @Trying Times. It's good to see you posting again. When you consider QEII's health, I agree that it's likely to be awhile before Catherine or even Camilla will be wearing the consort's crown. :Jen:
In the meantime, both seem to be focusing on their own projects and supporting their monarch and spouses.
What will Prince William be called?
William has the option of choosing a new regnal name when he becomes King.
Will he be William V?
I believe that he'll be William V rather than another George or Edward or Henry. I don't see him taking one of his other names: Arthur, Phillip or Louis either.
Why would he be anything other than King William V? Arthur has never been used for a viable English King, Philip, in its several spellings, is associated with other monarchies, as is Louis, which is also regarded as being French by many. Plus I've never heard that William hates his name.
It's not as if he's ever been linked to any other forename even informally, like Bertie, or David, all three of whom (Kings Edward VII and VIII and George VI) went the traditional route of their ancestors in their choice of regnal name anyway.
It's like the old story out of nowhere about Charles wanting to become George VII when he finally becomes King because allegedly (though correctly IMO ) he regards the Stuarts as an ill-starred lot. But he will be crowned as King Charles III.
He's had a while to wait anyway, and when he finally gets there he could be King for twenty years or more, so William may well not be monarch until his sixties. So it's hardly an immediate decision!
Having said all that,n it will be a change to see a Charles and a William enthroned. There have been IMO far too many Georges, Edwards and Henries on the English/British throne. Time for something a bit different!
Double post auto-merged: February 05, 2021, 09:13:55 AM
From William the Conquerer we've had 8 Henries, 8 Edwards, 6 Georges, 4 Williams, 3 Richards, 2 James, 2 Elizabeths, 2 Marys and 2 Charles. (Thank heavens for that variety, and for the singletons Victoria, Anne, John, Stephen and Matilda sprinkled in there.)
He could be King Stephen II but that's going to create a huge number of Stephen King related memes. :D Better yet, King Victor. :D
I'm pretty sure it will be William V. :crown:
Prince William will gain TWO new titles 'moment' his father Charles becomes king | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1412185/prince-william-news-prince-charles-news-duke-of-cambridge-prince-of-wales-royal-family-vn)
Duke of Cambridge have two titles will become Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay but remain his dukedom titles Duke of Cambridge but Prince Charles will appoint his elder son William Prince of Wales when Charles become king..
Not yet automatically titles become Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay wait till Prince Charles become king
Would the title of Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge be considered a joint title?
No. Two separate titles.
The Duke and Duchess are hiring! Prince William and Kate Middleton are seeking a Senior Communications Officer who can 'handle sensitive information with tact and discretion'.
Charlotte Pool is the actual holder since 2014, apparently she's leaving or promoted to a new position?!
Like the entire BM posted the vacant, not one mentioned Ms. Pool
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on March 23, 2021, 08:27:43 PM
Would the title of Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge be considered a joint title?
Would it not be better for the joint title to be in full:
Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Cambridge?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on May 09, 2021, 10:11:46 PM
Would it not be better for the joint title to be in full: Duke of Cornwall and Duke of Cambridge?
Probably, but except on certain State occasions the long list of titles held by the heir to the Throne aren?t usually read out and subsidiary titles don?t really come into the equation. The last time an adult married heir was in the position thatWilliam will be in was George V.
He was the Duke of York (with its own subsidiary titles of course) from 1892 until the moment his father became Edward VII in 1901. (That in itself was unusual as the Dukedom of York is usually reserved for the second son of the sovereign.) George then automatically became Duke of Cornwall (and later the Prince of Wales.) Even in those much more formal days I?ve never heard that George was customarily called by both Dukedoms in the Press and by others when addressed by them, though they were of course both kept as his stylings until he became POW in November 1901.
Quote from: Kritter on June 01, 2021, 12:17:38 PM
William has proven that he & Kate don't have what it takes.
All that it "takes" is to be the eldest child of the King....
Consistency, not quiting.
Quote from: TLLK on February 05, 2021, 02:27:26 PM
He could be King Stephen II but that's going to create a huge number of Stephen King related memes. :D Better yet, King Victor. :D
I'm pretty sure it will be William V. :crown:
I dont think there have been any cases of a British king taking a name that they weren't given, as regnal names. Popes sometimes take a name that isn't their own but not British Kings. So I think that King Stephen is off the chart,,,
and I dont think William would adopt one of his other names.. so its almost certainly William V
Quote from: Amabel2 on June 01, 2021, 01:31:11 PM
What does that mean?
Means the couple are consistent, and to date have not quit.
Well yes, they are a reasonably consistent pair. I think that they do their job, but are not exactly rushing towards the day they'll be King and queen. However they are not likely to walk out. But they just have to be willing ot do the job and to be as Will is, the eldest son of the future King.
Quote from: Kritter on June 01, 2021, 12:17:38 PM
William has proven that he & Kate don't have what it takes.
Interesting statement. I am intrigued to find out what you mean by this. Do you have specific examples of him not being capable?
It seems to me that through the carefully built up charities, the many programs and schemes that the Royal foundation have developed, through the impressive international activity on wildlife conservation and protection, his obvious work towards taking over Duchy of Cornwall and the steady work he and Kate have been doing over the years for the Queen that he has proven he is more than ready to take over as Duke of Cornwall and POW.
But he doesn't need to do anyting, strictly speaking. He will still be Duke of Cornwall as soon as Charles becomes king.. and King as soon as Charles passes away. I think that its clear that he has over the past few years been taking on more responsibilities with regard to general royal work, and so has Kate. And Will has been getting more involved with the Duchy of Cornwall as well, since Charles is gradually taking over more of the queen's duties and getting involved with the Duchy of Lancaster..
Exactly Amabel. It?s his role. It can be as good or as bad as he wants. Now if he is rotten at it, the public may have a say. And then a situation like what happened in Spain may occur. But I honestly don?t think that is going to be the issue.
William will be POW/DOC barring death or incapacity. That?s the bottom line. And we, as commenters have no say. Well - we have lots to say :teehee: Just no decision making.
Add the fact that whatever the YouGov UK question, both have 1st or 2nd place, and no matter how the yes/no questions, they've been getting also landslide favourable.
Prince William attending secret meetings in preparation for Cornwall takeover - Cornwall Live (https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/prince-william-attending-secret-meetings-2257458)
Prince William is quietly preparing to take on his father?s ?1billion estate when he becomes heir to the throne.
He will take over the running of the Duchy of Cornwall when Charles becomes King ? a massive private estate which provides income for the heir.
The Duke of Cambridge will automatically inherit possession of the Duchy and be bestowed the title Duke of Cornwall when his dad becomes King.
He has already been attending meetings of the Duchy, which is allegedly valued at ?1billion and reportedly generated ?20.5million for Charles last year.
But the most recent meeting, according to the Court Circular ? the official diary of royal engagements ? was held just last month at Charles? Clarence House home.
Prince William holds meetings as he prepares to take over major role from Prince Charles - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-holds-meetings-prepares-21559455)
The Duke of Cambridge has held a meeting on his succession training, which will whirr into action once the Queen dies and Prince Charles takes the throne.
William will automatically inherit his dad?s ?Duke of Cornwall? title and ?1 billion ?Duchy of Cornwall? estate when the big day comes, the Daily Star Online reports.
The royal had been attending several meetings about the Duchy last year ahead of the major change.
And it has emerged he attended another one only last week ? the first of the new year ? as he continues his preparations.
Just a couple of articles stating that William is quietly preparing to take over.
William meets regularly with DoC officials. I think he's well briefed.
The Duke of Cambridge this morning participated in a Meeting with the Duchy of Cornwall Finance Committee via telephone.
- Court Circular || 24 November 2020
The Duke of Cambridge this morning participated in a Meeting with the Duchy of Cornwall Finance Committee via video link.
- Court Circular || 29 March 2021
Interesting article from the CBC on how Prince William has been growing into his role starting with his high profile visit to Israel and Palestine in 2017 along with the Cambridges' tour of Pakistan in 2019. Also how Prince William has played a crucial role within the BRF during the Pandemic.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/royal-fascinator-prince-william-historic-royal-palaces-slave-trade-remembrance-1.5790798
QuoteIn ways, William's coming into his own has been a steady evolution over the past few years. A solo trip to the Middle East in 2018, along with a trip with Kate to Pakistan last year, burnished his international profile. And he's now focusing efforts on environmental issues, following in the footsteps of his father, Prince Charles.
Another interesting article. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/up-close-and-personal-with-prince-william-an-intimate-portrait-of-the-future-king-3wx5krt9v
Watch this one ASAP as it is only available for a couple days, if you are interested.
Prince Charles: Inside the Duchy of Cornwall - Series 1 - Episode 2 - ITV Hub (https://www.itv.com/hub/prince-charles-inside-the-duchy-of-cornwall/2a6190a0002)
We ask what the Prince of Wales's legacy might be for the Duchy, as senior staff prepare HRH Prince William for the day that he will succeed his father.
It was on TV last year.. anyway clear that Will's learning about the Duchy, in preparation for taking over.. and Charles is doing more work in the Duchy of Lancaster....
I think that he's gradually takng on more of his father's role as charles takes some of the load off the queen.
I think that William has had a slow start as a royal and perhaps it has worked out well for him... he has had more time iwht his children, done an ordinary job.. and built a solid foundation for his marriage.
And I think that?s been a good idea. Nothing like a solid base to create something wonderful.
Well I dont think I'll ever go nuts over William. He is a rather guarded person and not that easy to warm to and I dont think that he has the same hard working enthusaism of his father.. but he's gradually improved and worked his way up to a good position for when he is King...
There is an article that looks very interesting but I can?t assess it - does anyone else have access and can link it or copy? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/up-close-and-personal-with-prince-william-an-intimate-portrait-of-the-future-king-3wx5krt9v
Here is a link.
https://archive.ph/0Ljbz
Thank You!!! You are amazing! :flower3:
The citizens of Wales had a poll exclusively for them via the Welsh polling organisation Beaufort Research.
The question: Should Prince William have a public investiture as Prince of Wales when his father becomes King? Yes, total 61%. :bday:
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Our new survey, undertaken by Welsh polling organisation Beaufort Research, showed that 61% responded Yes to the question, ?When Prince Charles becomes King, would you like to see Prince William made the Prince of Wales at a public ceremony known as an investiture??
There were variations according to the region of Wales in which those sampled live, age and other socio-economic factors.
In North Wales, 66% were in favour of an investiture, with 25% against and 9% saying they didn?t know.
In Mid and West Wales, there were also 66% in favour, with 19% against and 15% don?t knows.
In West South Wales, 60% were in favour, with 28% against and 12% don?t knows.
People in the Valleys split 56% in favour, 30% against and 14% saying they didn?t know.
In Cardiff and South East Wales, 57% were in favour, 29% against and 14% didn?t know.
People want Prince William to have a public investiture as Prince of Wales when his dad becomes king - Wales Online (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/investiture-prince-william-charles-wales-21115635)
Solid numbers.
Quote from: wannable on July 22, 2021, 04:20:50 PM
The citizens of Wales had a poll exclusively for them via the Welsh polling organisation Beaufort Research.
The question: Should Prince William have a public investiture as Prince of Wales when his father becomes King? Yes, total 61%. :bday:
Sounds like the numbers are a reflection of how the Welsh feel about William as a future Prince of Wales.
There?s never been an investiture in modern times of a Prince of Wales of William?s age. The last POW of mature age when he was granted the title was the future George V and he was just quietly given the title by his father. I expect the same to happen this time.
William has had no connection with Wales. Charles was at least educated there for a short while at Aberystwyth University and there were still protests by Welsh nationalists even then. I remember them. Wales now has an Assembly and I doubt very much that welsh politicians would be inviting Charles to conduct such a ceremony in their country. Wales is dominated by Labour politicians both in the Assembly and at Westminster. There are many republicans in Parliament at Westminster and that includes Labour Party MPs.
However, the main reason why IMO it won?t be happening would be expense. It?s fine for people to answer such a survey and think ?A public (Bank) Holiday! Oh Yes!?
Quite another when it would come within a year or so of a very expensive State Funeral, and an extremely extravagant and expensive Coronation (of a quite unpopular monarch) while people are still contemplating a King Charles on the Throne. And don?t think that the media won?t mention the money spent on such a ceremony, a ceremony which unlike a funeral or even a Coronation is legally and Constitutionally unnecessary. They will, and that might not be quite so celebratory for people to think about.
I doubt if that will be a problem fro William. Im sure he does not want an elaborate ceremony.. and he will be made POW anyway....
Politicians who fight against their constituents, usually their political career is over. The details of the 40 constituencies in Wales (all above 60%) want the public investiture. It's their taxes, it's their choice. In a situation like this, William shouldn't fight it either.
Fight it IF the numbers are half 49-50%.
This survey was done this week.
William also has some connection to Wales. He lived and worked there as a SAR pilot and he's patron of the Welsh Rugby Union.
IMO should there be a public investiture for William as Prince of Wales, it will be low key event. It could be at Caernarfon Castle but without the elaborate made for TV dais and canopy. Hopefully that hideous cornet will remain in The Tower of London. :windsor1:
Yes I think a low key investiture would be a good idea.. if the Welsh are OK with it...
Dickie Arbiter: 'Why Prince William has the makings, stature and confidence of a King in waiting'.
More: Prince William has the makings, stature and confidence of a King in waiting, due to his crusade to save the enviornment says former Buckingham Palace (https://amp.nine.com.au/article/8ffcc8c4-6884-4d5c-8291-b6d610a0d556?__twitter_impression=true)
Cambridges reportedly having long-term plans to move to Windsor, the future of Kensington Palace as a Royal residence looks uncertain.
Historian Christopher Warwick said: 'Whispers that Kensington Palace's days as an official residence are numbered are a pointer to how many changes we are going to see when Charles becomes King. He would be wise to rent it out and hold it in reserve should he need to accommodate any Royals down the line.'
The rest of Kensington Palace is full according to an aide, who adds that work is 'ongoing'.
Talk of the Town, DM
Duchess of Cambridge is the December 2021 cover of People Magazine.
The inside story says She is ready to be POW
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Related to a DM article with a mix match of info.
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Charles has given up the lease on the organic farm at his Gloucestershire bolthole of Highgrove and turned his attention to Sandringham in what many will consider a sign of his growing preparations for Kingship.
Highgrove is an asset of the Duchy of Cornwall, the POW's source of income.
I am getting the sense that there will be significant changes in roles in the coming months for senior members of the Royal family. Prince William and Kate will play essential functions in the new family formation.
The cover of Kate turning 40 years old is a sign of change. We've seen her grow from a shy undergraduate to a mature mother of three. It will be interesting to see what the future holds for William and Kate.
Quote from: wannable on December 17, 2021, 04:51:56 PM
Duchess of Cambridge is the December 2021 cover of People Magazine.
The inside story says She is ready to be POW
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Definitely agree that both Catherine and William are ready to step into their future roles as the Prince and Princess of Wales. Funny how the discussion of QEII's possible abdication came up yesterday with my father who is not really interested in royalty. (My mother on the other hand has long had an interest.) He was stating that he believes that QEII should abdicate after her Jubilee so she can enjoy her retirement and hopefully attend her son's coronation.
well it wont happen. Cat and Will are taking on more work, and obviously the queen will not be here forever.. but she wont abdicate.
She won't abdicate, but she has passed the baton in many things, and it keeps on growing.
Her Christmas speech is very personal (a matter of interpretation from royal specialists, watchers, random, etc. from interpreting the passing of the baton she mentioned about PP and how her family is doing the same, from 2nd paragraph a literally dedication to Kate with the exact same lyric words of the Tom Walker song, one can say she watched it privately before the release the 24th, etc. etc. etc. each to its own interpretation of that speech), so
@TLLK I see why many people were talking about the Q 'abdicating', which really is passing the baton in many duties, responsibilities, etc. Not only the speech, but roughly the past 2 years one can read court circulars, documentaries, baton passing from DOCornwall/Lancaster...
Highgrove/Farm is William's. Charles finished the DOC lease of that, he ended his lease. As I posted in this thread. Charles took over PP with Sandringham and Balmoral. I posted in Charles board (King) what NEW he is doing with Sandringham land; 4000 sheep, cattle, etc.
As I have read and learned about the Royal Family/Firm, they are always thinking way ahead of what is *now*. For them I believe they feel strongly about the future of the royal family, monarchy and the entire country....that is a ton of pressure yet they do it slowly and with dignity. HM can be at ease now with knowing that Charles and William are in control and doing what needs to be done so that she can continue with her job that she devoted her life to. Long may HM reign!
has Highgrove been transferred to William? I thought that Charles still held the property...
The Duke of Cambridge is looking into using Duchy of Cornwall properties to house the homeless, as he seeks to provide practical help as well as royal patronage.
The Duke, who will one day inherit the Duchy from his father the Prince of Wales, has asked staff to explore how buildings could be used to help people who have fallen on misfortune.
The idea could see some of the estate's urban buildings converted for use by charities, decades after the Duke first visited a homeless shelter with his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales.
archive.ph (https://archive.ph/lzQkR)
The Telegraph: Duke of Cambridge could turn Royal estate properties into houses for the homeless (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/12/29/duke-cambridge-could-turn-royal-estate-properties-houses-homeless/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1640808165)
Quote from: wannable on December 28, 2021, 03:05:40 PM
She won't abdicate, but she has passed the baton in many things, and it keeps on growing.
Her Christmas speech is very personal (a matter of interpretation from royal specialists, watchers, random, etc. from interpreting the passing of the baton she mentioned about PP and how her family is doing the same, from 2nd paragraph a literally dedication to Kate with the exact same lyric words of the Tom Walker song, one can say she watched it privately before the release the 24th, etc. etc. etc. each to its own interpretation of that speech), so @TLLK I see why many people were talking about the Q 'abdicating', which really is passing the baton in many duties, responsibilities, etc. Not only the speech, but roughly the past 2 years one can read court circulars, documentaries, baton passing from DOCornwall/Lancaster...
Highgrove/Farm is William's. Charles finished the DOC lease of that, he ended his lease. As I posted in this thread. Charles took over PP with Sandringham and Balmoral. I posted in Charles board (King) what NEW he is doing with Sandringham land; 4000 sheep, cattle, etc.
A very insightful post! I do think that the Queen is passing the baton onto the future royal lineup. Sadly, changes will bring us a new monarchy, but it is inevitable. The Queen will not live forever. Instead of abdicating, which I believe the Queen will never do, she is working hard at creating a smooth transition that will occur naturally.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on December 29, 2021, 10:44:51 PM
The Duke of Cambridge is looking into using Duchy of Cornwall properties to house the homeless, as he seeks to provide practical help as well as royal patronage.
The Duke, who will one day inherit the Duchy from his father the Prince of Wales, has asked staff to explore how buildings could be used to help people who have fallen on misfortune.
The idea could see some of the estate's urban buildings converted for use by charities, decades after the Duke first visited a homeless shelter with his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales.
archive.ph (https://archive.ph/lzQkR)
That is a really interesting article on what Prince William wants to do with helping the homeless by using the Duchy of Cornwall buildings .......that is a true royal working for this country and the people in need. It will take time yet I am sure in the end the fruits of this will be found to be very welcoming by so many.
The Telegraph: Duke of Cambridge could turn Royal estate properties into houses for the homeless (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/12/29/duke-cambridge-could-turn-royal-estate-properties-houses-homeless/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1640808165)
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on December 29, 2021, 10:44:51 PM
The Duke of Cambridge is looking into using Duchy of Cornwall properties to house the homeless, as he seeks to provide practical help as well as royal patronage.
The Duke, who will one day inherit the Duchy from his father the Prince of Wales, has asked staff to explore how buildings could be used to help people who have fallen on misfortune.
The idea could see some of the estate's urban buildings converted for use by charities, decades after the Duke first visited a homeless shelter with his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales.
archive.ph (https://archive.ph/lzQkR)
The Telegraph: Duke of Cambridge could turn Royal estate properties into houses for the homeless (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/12/29/duke-cambridge-could-turn-royal-estate-properties-houses-homeless/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1640808165)
An interesting read
@PrincessOfPeace and thank you for sharing the archived article. It offers us an opportunity to read the ones that require a subscription.
I believe that Centrepoint would be thrilled to have some of these properties in London, Cornwall and other counties, as long as they would fit the needs of their clients and have the necessary links to transportation, health care, education and employment opportunities.
To be honest, I don't see Highgrove being used especially since its gardens function as a tourist attraction and education center. However there are other ones that could suit.
QuoteWhile under Prince Charles it has become best-known for its rural and agricultural projects, while it also owns land in London.
Historically, the estate built residential and commercial properties in Kennington, selling off some sites in the 1920s and 30s to the armed forces. In 1990, the majority of the residential stock was sold to a housing association and the Duchy currently owns 16 flats and 23 houses.
It also owns the Oval, and a commercial portfolio of 18 properties which is valued at ?124 million.
Members of the Royal Family regularly face criticism for being patrons of charities and delivering well-intentioned speeches about social issues and the environment, while living in large palaces with inherited fortunes.
Prince William is understood to have been considering how to build on his father?s legacy to make use of the Duchy?s buildings for several years, and has become particularly concerned about the problems facing homeless people during the Covid-19 pandemic.
During lockdown, he held a meeting with Robert Jenrick MP, then Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government, and Dame Louise Casey, chairman of HM Government's Covid-19 Rough Sleeping Response Taskforce, as well as speaking to young people helped by Centrepoint.
Moderator note-I chose to split and move this topic over to this thread as I believe it's a better place for the discussion. Quote
EXCLUSIVE: William and Kate summoned entire senior staff for 'clear-the-air meeting' after tour
Prince William and Kate Middleton had a meeting with their senior staff after their Caribbean tour. He believed they had been poorly prepared for the reaction they encountered, sources said
By Russell Myers Royal Editor
Prince Willliam and Kate Middleton summoned their entire senior staff to a clear-the-air meeting immediately after eight days touring Belize, Jamaica and the Bahamas in honour of the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, it can be revealed.
Sources revealed the atmosphere in the emergency team summit quickly soured after William revealed his concerns over a perceived lack of input from his staff.
He believed they had been poorly prepared for the reaction they encountered in the Caribbean.
A source said: The Duke was clearly frustrated at the lack of answers and the absence of any workable solutions being put forward.
The feeling was there were so many pitfalls that could have been avoided. He knows full well that it is his reputation on the line.
In dealing with sensitive issues, such as the ones they met on the tour, if they aren't in tune with what is going on in the world they will be left fighting for their futures.
My 2 cents, William and Kate there is nothing wrong or pitfalls with your team. The Caribbean islands ''ALL'' want money one way or the other, enter stage: China.
ETA: Maybe start preparing to be the King and Queen of England, like 1200 years ago...only
Prince William plans palace revolution after 'abrupt' staff meetings over tour blunders - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-william-plans-palace-revolution-26833893)
William and Kate summoned entire senior staff for 'clear-the-air meeting' after tour - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/william-kate-summoned-entire-senior-26836425)
William and Kate reject 'star' candidates for new team as 'not being up to job' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/william-kate-reject-star-candidates-26836355)
Quote from: wannable on April 29, 2022, 09:40:17 PM
My 2 cents, William and Kate there is nothing wrong or pitfalls with your team. The Caribbean islands ''ALL'' want money one way or the other, enter stage: China.
ETA: Maybe start preparing to be the King and Queen of England, like 1200 years ago...only
The world is changing. Kate and William must educate themselves on global social progress.
Prince William plans to modernise the monarchy: Duke of Cambridge 'holds crisis meeting with aides' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10770075/Prince-William-plans-modernise-monarchy-Duke-Cambridge-holds-crisis-meeting-aides.html)
Discussion on the subject of reparations for the former British colonies in the Caribbean has been moved to this thread in the Politics of Monarchies and Republics forum. Please continue the discussion in this thread. Thank you.
The Commonwealth Nations and the British Monarchy News (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=91620.0)
William and Kate want to be known by first names NOT titles in huge shake-up - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/william-kate-want-known-first-26902596)
Oh, yes? In panic mode after the Caribbean tour obviously, so a few cosmetic changes are needed eh? Perhaps Harry and Meghan had a better handle on such things than KP imagined!
Well that can be a slippery slope, can?t it? If it?s first names only for royal engagements, then Britons, especially younger ones may well start questioning in the future why these people are living in the utmost luxury in royal Palaces and Houses, don?t have jobs in the way others do, and get money from Duchies and the State (taxes) when eventually they become monarch and consort. And there?s Charles?s reign to go first. I can?t see the POW following suit and asking to be called Charlie by his future subjects.
Quote from: Curryong on May 08, 2022, 02:30:10 AM
Oh, yes? In panic mode after the Caribbean tour obviously, so a few cosmetic changes are needed eh? Perhaps Harry and Meghan had a better handle on such things than KP imagined!
Well that can be a slippery slope, can?t it? If it?s first names only for royal engagements, then Britons, especially younger ones may well start questioning in the future why these people are living in the utmost luxury in royal Palaces and Houses, don?t have jobs in the way others do, and get money from Duchies and the State (taxes) when eventually they become monarch and consort. And there?s Charles?s reign to go first. I can?t see the POW following suit and asking to be called Charlie by his future subjects.
Unbelievable............
Quote from: sara8150 on May 08, 2022, 02:15:00 AM
William and Kate want to be known by first names NOT titles in huge shake-up - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/william-kate-want-known-first-26902596)
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A few thoughts on this article which IMHO apply to not only the Cambridges but the Sussexes too as they're from the same generation. Honestly the article is not truly surprising to me because as far as I recall, Princes William and Harry have taken a more relaxed attitude towards royal protocol for many years now and long before either were engaged or married. Their education, military training and life experiences have brought them into a wider and IMO more realistic contact with the life that most people in the UK live than their grandmother and their father. And I have to thank their mother, teachers, trainers, friends and colleagues for doing so.
Both have been quoted by biographers, interviewers and work colleagues that they've requested to be called be their first names "Please call me _William/Harry." They both been known to sign their messages on memorial wreaths with their first names. I've seen where both have used their first names on social media posts too. Likewise their wives have done the same. And when they meet with people, their equally welcoming to those who opt to use the formal practice: neck bow and curtsy as they are with those who just shake hands.
Now to me this means that while they are more relaxed with being called by their first names, they are not completely dropping their styles and titles as we still see it being used. I believe that they will still continue to use them throughout their lives though I believe that it's possible that when William's reign begins that he's going to opt to end the practice of bow and curtsy much like the Belgian and Dutch courts have done.
So to summarize, I don't find this to be anything new because William, Catherine, Harry and Meghan have already been doing this for some time now. :shrug:
Quote from: Amabel2 on December 28, 2021, 09:42:51 AM
well it wont happen. Cat and Will are taking on more work, and obviously the queen will not be here forever.. but she wont abdicate.
Till Queen Elizabeth II died when her uncle the former king Edward VIII abdicated in 1936 when younger Queen Elizabeth II was ten years old but they NOW Queen Elizabeth II is 96 years old she still in charge as head of the state but Queen Elizabeth II vowed to work till she died
Quote from: Curryong on May 08, 2022, 02:30:10 AM
Oh, yes? In panic mode after the Caribbean tour obviously, so a few cosmetic changes are needed eh? Perhaps Harry and Meghan had a better handle on such things than KP imagined!
Well that can be a slippery slope, can?t it? If it?s first names only for royal engagements, then Britons, especially younger ones may well start questioning in the future why these people are living in the utmost luxury in royal Palaces and Houses, don?t have jobs in the way others do, and get money from Duchies and the State (taxes) when eventually they become monarch and consort. And there?s Charles?s reign to go first. I can?t see the POW following suit and asking to be called Charlie by his future subjects.
Unbelievable!! I have agreed with
@Nightowl post saying
If the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge want to be called by their names, then should not William and Catherine be used instead of Will and Kate?
What is wrong with curtsies and bowing?
I believe that the Cambridges would prefer to be called "William and Catherine" but won't object if someone says "Kate" or "Will."
As to bows and curtsies, both are current considered to be optional when greeting a member of the British Royal Family.
Here's the official protocol from the British Monarchy website.
Greeting a Member of The Royal Family | The Royal Family (https://www.royal.uk/greeting-member-royal-family)
QuoteThere are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.For men this is a neck bow (from the head only) whilst women do a small curtsy. Other people prefer simply to shake hands in the usual way.
On presentation to The Queen, the correct formal address is 'Your Majesty' and subsequently 'Ma'am,' pronounced with a short 'a,' as in 'jam'.
For male members of the Royal Family the same rules apply, with the title used in the first instance being 'Your Royal Highness' and subsequently 'Sir'.
For other female members of the Royal Family the first address is conventionally 'Your Royal Highness' and subsequently 'Ma'am'.
A new thread to discuss their new role
NEW TITLES
As the heir to the throne, William now automatically assumes titles including Duke of Cornwall, Earl of Chester and Duke of Rothesay for use when in Scotland.
As his wife, Kate gets the female equivalent of these titles - Duchess of Cornwall, Countess of Chester and Duchess of Rothesay.
However, they are not losing their Duke and Duchess of Cambridge titles - these new titles will be additions.
This means they are now styled the TRH The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge.
In addition, George is now Prince George of Cornwall and Cambridge, Charlotte is Princess Charlotte of Cornwall and Cambridge and Louis is now Prince Louis of Cornwall and Cambridge.
PRINCE OF WALES TITLES
This is one title that has not automatically been passed on to William - it is only given to the heir apparent at the discretion of the monarch.
Should Charles bestow this honour on William, and it is likely that he will at some point in the near future, William will become the Prince of Wales.
Kate therefore will become the Princess of Wales - a title held by her late mother-in-law Princess Diana - and George will become Prince George of Wales.
Charlotte will become Princess Charlotte of Wales and Louis, Prince Louis of Wales.
DUCHY OF CORNWALL
Not only has William now inherited new titles, he has also inherited the ?1billion Duchy of Cornwall estate.
The estate is made up of around 134,000 acres of land in more than 23 counties in the UK.
It reportedly generated ?20.5million in 2019, which Charles used to fund his public, charitable and private activities.
In a documentary from the same year, Prince Charles: Inside the Duchy of Cornwall, William talked about taking on the estate one day.
STATE OPENING OF PARLIAMENT
May this year, William attended the State Opening of Parliament for the first time ever, accompanying his father Prince Charles and his wife Camilla.
During the event, William took his place in the procession behind the Imperial State Crown and sat at the side of Charles, who had the responsibility to read the Queen's speech.
Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge (@dukeandduchessofcambridge) ? Instagram photos and videos (https://www.instagram.com/dukeandduchessofcambridge/?hl=en)
Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge
The official Instagram account of The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge, based at Kensington Palace.
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The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge
@KensingtonRoyal
The official account of The Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge and the Royal Foundation, based at Kensington Palace.
PRINCE OF WALES TITLE
We will likely* also witness the Investiture of William. *Charles would need to make a new letters patent.
(Prince Charles was made the Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester by letters patent on 26 July 1958 (age 10) but the official investiture was not held until 1 July 1969 (age 22). The ceremony was at Caernarfon Castle).
Another POW timing
Cepe Smith
@CepeSmith
In Jan 1901, Q Victoria died and Edward, PoW became king.
His son, George, became Duke of Cornwall and York (previous DoY) immediately.
It was 10 months later that George became Prince of Wales.
1969 was a very different time and Charles was a very young POW. I can remember the investiture in 1969. It took a lot of planning and was expensive. With a royal funeral and a Coronation coming up in months I don?t think the country would welcome another blowout in the expenses for a 40 year old. Maybe for George, if the monarchy lasts that long.
Quote from: wannable on September 08, 2022, 08:41:12 PM
Another POW timing
Cepe Smith
@CepeSmith
In Jan 1901, Q Victoria died and Edward, PoW became king.
His son, George, became Duke of Cornwall and York (previous DoY) immediately.
It was 10 months later that George became Prince of Wales.
Yes, Mary Duchess of C complained about the wait. No official reason was ever given for the delay but it was believed that Edward VII was very attached to the title of Prince of Wales, which he had from birth and was reluctant to pass it on.
For the time being William is HRH The Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on September 08, 2022, 08:50:38 PM
For the time being William is HRH The Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland.
Yes. He?s inherited Charles?s titles. They haven?t been created anew for him or anything.
New thread for the new POW as just announced by KC in his speech.
Speaking about Prince William, he added: "With Catherine beside him, our new Prince and Princess of Wales will, I know, continue to inspire and lead our national conversations, helping to bring the marginal to the centre ground where vital help can be given.''
👏🏻
The transition is working at fast speed. I personally like this fast movements because HMKCIII is in his 70's and William is entering his 40's. I've read tweets from people all across the board, I captured the majority of young like fast transition and the elderly are divided with slow and fast, perhaps because they lived so much during HMQEII era.
Today, I am proud to create him Prince of Wales, Tywysog Cymru, the country whose title I have been so greatly privileged to bear during so much of my life and duty.
Yes, and I bet this was discussed a long time ago by the royal family as part of the transition of Charles taking over when HM passes on. The monarchy is moving in the right directions and it shows that the monarchy is at work still and moving on. My very best wishes and may blessing fly to Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine and the royal family.
And so far, phew, both households BP and CH are working together, no internal leaks of staff conflict. It does seem that when HMQEII passed on a lot of her duties to Charles and William, they started scheduling what will happen. I'm actually delighted with the swiftness of it.
I sincerely hope and actually think (almost 99% sure) that their Best HR Head will do the 'best practices with mergers' (there are many examples around the world when two or more companies come together and they find themselves with double personnel, some clashing with the same 'title' or job description). The latest best practices is the loser is given a 6 to 12 months half pay of Leave of Absence and helping the person land a new job. Many of this type of situation is happening now a days because of the Pandemic economy loss due to lockdown (s). I HOPE WILLIAM CAN ABSORB STAFFERS FROM BP OR CH. He and Kate will need it as their duties as POW will also grow and be different.
*****
https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal
The Prince and Princess of Wales
@KensingtonRoyal
The official account of The Prince and Princess of Wales and The Royal Foundation, based at Kensington Palace.
Instagram too.
Kate Middleton becomes the first Princess of Wales since Diana's death in 1997 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11197975/Kate-Middleton-Princess-Wales-Dianas-death-1997.html)
King Charles Names William and Kate Prince and Princess of Wales (https://people.com/royals/king-charles-officially-names-william-and-kate-prince-and-princess-of-wales/)
Kate Middleton debuts new Princess of Wales title as plans for 'new path' revealed | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220909150687/kate-middleton-debuts-new-title-plans-new-path/)
William named Prince of Wales - as Kate follows Diana to become Princess of Wales | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/william-and-kate-become-prince-and-princess-of-wales-12693840)
Kate Middleton becomes first Princess of Wales since Diana as King Charles addresses UK | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1667221/Kate-Middleton-Princess-of-Wales-Diana-King-Charles-III-Royal-Family-latest-update)
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-09-09/prince-william-and-duchess-of-cambridge-created-prince-and-princess-of-wales
Kate reacts to new Princess of Wales title with moving nod to Diana - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-kate-middleton-reacts-new-27954446)
I know the history of Diana's title but I will create my own path as Princess of Wales, says Kate Middleton | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19763443/kate-middleton-diana-title-own-path-princess-wales/)
Kate Middleton and Prince William?s new titles revealed by King Charles in his first official address as monarch | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19762208/kate-william-new-titles-prince-wales-charles/)
The new Princess of Wales makes an emotional pledge as she takes on historic role ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/walesfamily/the-new-princess-of-wales-makes-an-emotional-pledge-as-she-takes-on-historic-role-180580/)
https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/walesfamily/the-king-bestows-the-title-of-prince-princess-of-wales-on-william-and-catherine-180564/
Not since late Diana, Princess of Wales?s vacant titles in 1997 for 25 years after she died im post on HM Queen Elizabeth II
Many of those articles are wrong. Camilla was also Princess of Wales. She just preferred to use the Cornwall title.
Will and Kate's duties will change under their new titles, explain REBECCA ENGLISH and JENNIE BOND | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11198509/Will-Kates-duties-change-new-titles-explain-REBECCA-ENGLISH-JENNIE-BOND.html)
An exciting new set of duties for the new Prince and Princess of Wales.
One thing one can say is that there has been a lot of work for moderators and admin on royal forums in changing changing threads and royal titles over the last three days in a way that has been unprecedented! What a remarkable three days it has been, really!
@Curryong-The current status of the moderation team lounge... : :wacko: :jawdrop:
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on September 08, 2022, 08:50:38 PM
For the time being William is HRH The Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Carrick and Baron Renfrew, Lord of the Isles, and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland.
And today it was updated to the following:
William is now HRH The Prince of Wales, Earl of Chester*, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Carrick, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Renfrew, Baron Carrickfergus, Lord of the Isle, Prince and Great Steward of Scotland.
Quote from: TLLK on September 10, 2022, 12:08:35 AM
@Curryong-The current status of the moderation team lounge... : :wacko: :jawdrop:
Well, perhaps a drinkie winks or two will be coming after that. I send you a virtual bottle of champagne each.
"King Charles III has enjoyed a long and enduring friendship with Wales.
Today, in his first public duty as Monarch, he has bestowed the title of Prince of Wales to his eldest son William.
We look forward to deepening our relationship with the new Prince and Princess."
- Mark Drakeford, First Minister of Wales.
Quote from: Curryong on September 10, 2022, 12:13:38 AM
Well, perhaps a drinkie winks or two will be coming after that. I send you a virtual bottle of champagne each.
Bit off topic? sorry ( bad mod, bad). But just wait until they start changing the patronages around. That?s not going to be fun.
Quote from: Macrobug67 on September 10, 2022, 03:32:40 AM
Bit off topic? sorry ( bad mod, bad). But just wait until they start changing the patronages around. That?s not going to be fun.
:tired: :mad7: :computer: Oh dear. I'd forgotten that there's going to be shift in those too. :cry: How I see the coming weeks here at RIF's mod central.
Charles Spencer breaks silence as Kate Middleton becomes new Princess of Wales | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220910150713/charles-spencer-breaks-silence-kate-middleton-new-princess-diana/)
James Middleton breaks silence as sister Kate Middleton is named new Princess of Wales | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220910150708/james-middleton-pays-tribute-queen-kate-middleton-new-princess-of-wales/)
Kate Middleton: Why new Princess of Wales will not inherit Princess Diana's wedding tiara | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220910150706/kate-middleton-wont-inherit-princess-diana-wedding-tiara-princess-of-wales/)
Articles says Spencer tiara kept traditional since late Diana,Princess of Wales?s grandmother and her sisters wore on wedding day they NOW Diana wore Spencer tiara when Diana married Prince Charles in 1981 they NOW King Charles III but im not sure Kate and Charlotte will wear Spencer tiara
All the times Kate Middleton took style inspiration from Princess Diana | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/fashion/royal-style/20220910150716/kate-middleton-tribute-princess-diana-style-photo-comparisons/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-62856181
The BBC just referred to Catherine as 'Princess Catherine'
King Charles in 'subtle mention' to Princess Diana as he welcomes Kate to new role | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1667330/King-Charles-III-Princess-Diana-nod-speech-Queen-death-Kate-Princess-of-Wales-vn)
Prince George, Prince Charlotte and Prince Louis Have New Surnames (https://people.com/royals/prince-george-prince-charlotte-prince-louis-new-surnames-under-king-charles-iii/)
Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis have NEW surnames following King Charles' first speech - details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220909150693/prince-george-princess-charlotte-prince-louis-title-change/)
'Tearful' Princess of Wales reveals son Prince Louis's sweet tribute to great-grandmother the Queen | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11200299/Tearful-Princess-Wales-reveals-son-Prince-Louiss-sweet-tribute-great-grandmother-Queen.html)
Kate Middleton Shares Son Louis' Sweet Sentiment About Queen Elizabeth (https://people.com/royals/kate-middleton-shares-son-louis-sweet-sentiment-about-queen-elizabeth/)
Kate Middleton reveals Prince Louis' first words after being told about Queen's death | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220910150735/kate-middleton-reveals-prince-louis-words-after-queens-death/)
Prince Louis said 'at least Grannie is with great grandpa now' when told about Queen - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-prince-louis-said-at-27960049)
Princess Kate reveals poignant reaction of her son Louis, 4, after she told him his great-gran The Queen had died | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19769990/kate-louis-reaction-queen-death/)
Prince and Princess of Wales delay moving to Windsor Castle | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11201215/Prince-Princess-Wales-delay-moving-Windsor-Castle.html)
Till after HM Queen Elizabeth II?s funeral
I'm rooting for this to happen.
A large mansion/castle/palace that is not inhabited/used suffers like a domino effect EVERYTHING, from water to grey water pipes, non use of electricity not only downing all appliances that also suffer disuse, but electric cables eaten by the pesky little animals, the floors, the ceiling, the furniture. Basically, you'd need maintenance to flush, turn on, clean, walk, etc. like a Museum that isn't a Museum, because then you'd have hundreds of people visiting taking away the royal home privacy of the actual royals living at Windsor estate all year long!.
''The Prince and Princess of Wales have postponed moving to Windsor Castle''
Glad to know it is postponed not cancelled.
Quote from: wannable on September 11, 2022, 03:40:19 PM
I'm rooting for this to happen.
A large mansion/castle/palace that is not inhabited/used suffers like a domino effect EVERYTHING, from water to grey water pipes, non use of electricity not only downing all appliances that also suffer disuse, but electric cables eaten by the pesky little animals, the floors, the ceiling, the furniture. Basically, you'd need maintenance to flush, turn on, clean, walk, etc. like a Museum that isn't a Museum, because then you'd have hundreds of people visiting taking away the royal home privacy of the actual royals living at Windsor estate all year long!.
''The Prince and Princess of Wales have postponed moving to Windsor Castle''
Glad to know it is postponed not cancelled.
Yes many tourist will devastated for museum of Windsor Castle but cant tourist royals house im remember when im tourist Windsor Castle in 2002 and cant allowed enter private of Royals residences due security protection and reason but have King?s solider 24/7 but after HM Queen Elizabeth II?s funeral tourist will resume at Windsor Castle where HM Queen Elizabeth II?s burial
To date the Windsor estate is open only 3 days a year (and the amount of people is limited, I think to 30 lucky chocolate factory type golden ticket :hehe: ), especially Frogmore House and the gardens. So imagine having to mantain Windsor Castle with no expectations of using it like a museum because royals live around the grounds.
So it makes sense that the PPOW's will be moving, allegedly after the funeral plus the seven days of morning = September 26 onward. Including, IMO what I said about large abodes that aren't being used does fall into disarray, then making it more expensive to fix.
Basically, IF it turns into a museum, everyone around would have to move. Tourists at your front door is an immediate reason to move out.
Windsor Castle temporarily closed
Kensington Palace temporarily closed
Buckingham Palace temporarily closed
Clarence House temporarily closed
Royal Collection Trust (https://www.rct.uk/)
Till after HM Queen Elizabeth II?s funeral will return tourist due respect death of Queen Elizabeth II
Quote from: wannable on September 11, 2022, 04:20:57 PM
To date the Windsor estate is open only 3 days a year (and the amount of people is limited, I think to 30 lucky chocolate factory type golden ticket :hehe: ),
that is not my recollection of Windsor, when i went there some few years ago. You just bought a ticket like for any other big house. I dont remember it only being open for 3 days a year.
Oops, Frogmore House and it's limited line demarcation garden are open 30/08, 31/08 and 01/09, three days.
And Yes, Windsor Castle has limited areas open to tourists. (The Inner Hall and State Entrance Hall, it might sound smallish, but I understand the two halls are big and great to visit)
William and Kate could be set to tour Australia next year | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11205009/William-Kate-set-tour-Australia-year.html)
Quote from: wannable on September 11, 2022, 04:56:24 PM
Oops, Frogmore House and it's limited line demarcation garden are open 30/08, 31/08 and 01/09, three days.
And Yes, Windsor Castle has limited areas open to tourists. (The Inner Hall and State Entrance Hall, it might sound smallish, but I understand the two halls are big and great to visit)
so completely wrong. Windsor is open on a normal basis
The new Prince and Princess of Wales: William and Kate's special connection to the country | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11205917/The-new-Prince-Princess-Wales-William-Kates-special-connection-country.html)
From college sweetheart to married couple
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 13, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
so completely wrong. Windsor is open on a normal basis
I was able to tour several areas of Windsor Castle when I visited 15 years ago. Perhaps it is different now, but we had access to all the formal rooms, including the newly renovated St. George's Hall. I was able to walk from there to the private chapel (totally done since the fire, which began right near there), right next to the door to the private quarters.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 13, 2022, 11:41:30 PM
I was able to tour several areas of Windsor Castle when I visited 15 years ago. Perhaps it is different now, but we had access to all the formal rooms, including the newly renovated St. George's Hall. I was able to walk from there to the private chapel (totally done since the fire, which began right near there), right next to the door to the private quarters.
My family and I were there in the summer of 2017 and were able to see the same rooms as you
@Princess Cassandra.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on September 13, 2022, 11:41:30 PM
I was able to tour several areas of Windsor Castle when I visited 15 years ago. Perhaps it is different now, but we had access to all the formal rooms, including the newly renovated St. George's Hall. I was able to walk from there to the private chapel (totally done since the fire, which began right near there), right next to the door to the private quarters.
I was there in England in exactly the same year as you, Princess Cassandra, and revisited Windsor Castle for the first time since my late teens. And I have exactly the same memories as you. I think the renovations after the fire were just magnificent, unprecedented really.
It changed around 2018 when the Queen started spending Monday to Wednesday in BP
Thursday to Monday morning Windsor
Before the pandemic, her time at BP was 2 days
Then during pandemic all week months years (2) Windsor
With a family of 5 basically 5 days a week there IMO it will only be the 2 great halls as it is.
Before shortening her time at BP, she used to live London Monday to Friday morning and weekends at Windsor. She did this for 60 years. More than any CEO routine.
Correction family of 5 six (6) days a week, half day school Saturday for the 2 eldest.
Quote from: Curryong on September 14, 2022, 12:55:48 AM
I was there in England in exactly the same year as you, Princess Cassandra, and revisited Windsor Castle for the first time since my late teens. And I have exactly the same memories as you. I think the renovations after the fire were just magnificent, unprecedented really.
And I loved touring St. George's Chapel....including the resting space of Prince Eddy in it's own area. It is such a glorious place, and they always refer to it as the only ancient castle still used as a residence. I hope the Wales family will live there.
Quote from: sara8150 on September 11, 2022, 03:21:51 PM
Prince and Princess of Wales delay moving to Windsor Castle | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11201215/Prince-Princess-Wales-delay-moving-Windsor-Castle.html)
Till after HM Queen Elizabeth II?s funeral
It makes sense to wait. It would seem inappropriate to move too fast, anyway.
Prince William makes major decision ahead of the Queen's funeral | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220914151056/prince-william-cancels-appearance-earthshot-prize-summit/)
September 21
The investiture may happen at the Cathedral rather than in the Castle C. apparently in his conversation with the First Minister of Wales.
It won't be so grand as his father's. It will be carried out after Charles coronation.
Apparently William is brushing up his Welsh too. His father spoke about W (and K) love of Wales/lived there for 3 plus years, at the Senedd parliament speech.
Some Welsh nationalists have and are objecting to the title of the Prince of Wales being used. At the least they and Welsh officials are asking that William (and Kate) learn to speak some Welsh. If it turns out anything like William?s French there?ll be a problem! I remember Charles having to learn some Welsh within a two month period. He admitted only a couple of years ago that he could remember only three or four sentences in the language, which he uses on occasion when he visits the country.
?My respect would be increased?: Prince William urged to learn Welsh | Prince William | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/16/my-respect-would-be-increased-prince-william-urged-to-learn-welsh)
They must love Wales a lot! The scope of their wedding reception, but what was their biggest motif was all the tables were ID with Welsh cities, towns.
(The Menu was Scottish (dessert English), the gift bag a mix of tinned cake and goodies from all 4 corners of UK)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-62968227
Kate Middleton to Catherine: Becoming Princess of Wales
QuoteBBC Wales correspondent Huw Thomas, who is writing a book on King Charles' time as the Prince of Wales and the monarchy's relationship to Wales in general, said: "Really, the role as the wife of the heir to the throne has been one of being in the background.
"The main issue for the newest princess is that she follows an icon, that she follows Diana, who is in all of history the most famous Princess of Wales that ever lived.
"There's always this sense that the Prince of Wales title is lumbered with great historical argument, and war and murder. The Princess of Wales title, as a globally recognised entity, it is for everyone Diana, and that's probably the biggest benefit and also the biggest barrier towards Catherine being able to use that title and to settle into that role."
Diana was indeed the most famous Princess of Wales in history and is still remembered and missed, very fondly today. It would have been odd if she?d lived on after her divorce and not remarried, as there would have been two women titled the Princess of Wales.
It?s worth remembering however that Alexandra, King Edward VII?s wife and Consort, was the Princess of Wales from 1863 to 1901, when her husband succeeded to the Throne. That length of time meant that for many people she was the only Prss of Wales they had known, and she was not only beautiful but extremely popular and down to earth.
That must have been quite daunting for Mary Duchess of York who was a young wife and mother but had been in the RF for less than a decade when she became the Princess of Wales on her own account. She was in fact there for less than ten years before becoming Queen Consort in 1910. So every modern Princess of Wales has blazed their own trail, and we have to wait to see what Kate does with the title.
How William's life has changed now that he is The Prince of Wales
How William's Life Has Changed Now That He's Prince Of Wales - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX0KhQmzRmE)
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Looking back at 2022 for the Prince and Princess of Wales/Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and the changes that occurred for the couple this year.
YEAR IN REVIEW: All change for William, heir to the throne ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/walesfamily/all-change-for-william-heir-to-the-throne-184647/)
QuoteIt might take a while before hearing the title Prince of Wales doesn?t immediately conjure an image of King Charles. After all, he held the title for a record-breaking 64 years (from 1958 to 2022), and achieved so much on the global stage, not only for himself as a statesman, but for Wales and its people.
But as of 9 September, William is the Prince of Wales. To say he has huge shoes to fill is an understatement, but if his first four months as heir to the throne is any indication, William will also leave behind an indelible legacy.
ROYAL YEAR IN REVIEW: A title with history: how the new Princess of Wales began to make a fresh mark on the royals ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/walesfamily/a-title-with-history-how-the-new-princess-of-wales-began-to-make-a-fresh-mark-on-the-royals-184645/)
QuoteFor the family, it was business as usual?the wheels of succession working in real time?but for the public, long captivated by the image and illusion of Diana, Princess of Wales, it meant a new woman finally using the long-dormant title.
Dignity, protocol. Heart . Focus. The people. The govt.
P/P of Wales are doing well.
The people and the govt seemed pleased , pleased more than not pleased overall with them and other than that, nothing else matters.
They are and will be fine with their Prince and Princess of Wales roles.
A lot of study and deliberation with all their court circulars and what goes on behind the scenes. The ex criticism of 'too much time, long studies, why do they take so long' has paid off nicely, genuinely knowing and caring about multiple issues, staying humble rather than I'm a PhD attitude.
If not the above, we'd be witnessing William telling the Wales people rushed up, I want my Investiture, BUT no, he has wise words, we want to ''earn'' the trust of the Wales people.
The only blotch is the Montecito duo 'making anniversaries' to mark Catherine birthday 9th think of me me me; Megxit and Spare. :orchid:
Source: all the RR's say these 2 events are/will be remembered a day or 2 before they happened. Catherine is a target. The POW, future Queen and Queen Mother, right!
Quote from: wannable on January 04, 2023, 06:17:14 PM
They are and will be fine with their Prince and Princess of Wales roles.
A lot of study and deliberation with all their court circulars and what goes on behind the scenes. The ex criticism of 'too much time, long studies, why do they take so long' has paid off nicely, genuinely knowing and caring about multiple issues, staying humble rather than I'm a PhD attitude.
If not the above, we'd be witnessing William telling the Wales people rushed up, I want my Investiture, BUT no, he has wise words, we want to ''earn'' the trust of the Wales people.
The only blotch is the Montecito duo 'making anniversaries' to mark Catherine birthday 9th think of me me me; Megxit and Spare. :orchid:
Source: all the RR's say these 2 events are/will be remembered a day or 2 before they happened. Catherine is a target. The POW, future Queen and Queen Mother, right!
What a shame when Catherine is trying so hard to use her role for the good and welfare of others. She seems absolutely genuine and down to earth to me and doesn't deserve to be anyone's target in my opinion.
No. Lol.
Target , GREAT.
All this will do is REVESE FOR CATHERINE instead of making her a target.
The people, the truth, her sense of duty, effort, heart in her role will carry her and give her sympathy instead of some others trying to target her. Lol.
Lambrook school begins its Lent term on Wednesday 1/11/23 so I expect that the Wales might have their first engagement of 2023 on Thursday or Friday.
^ Friday, Camilla Tominey confirmed it's Friday 'undisclosed visit. Embargoed.
^ What? Who is visiting where?
PofW birthday.
No doubt she I?ll have a celebration. Be it just her husband children, fine.
Of course, household sent birthday wishes.
Maybe she had on Sunday a nice dinner at home o her parents home for just the family.
we, the public, will never even things minor like this in her private life. Best things are she has a very private life, good parents, close siblings.
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A copy of the official Letters Patent granting Prince William the titles Prince of Wales & Earl of Chester.
This is the official legal document that granted William these titles.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr6QlNrWIAAa5JJ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Here's a tweet containing more documents. I don't know how to post pics from my phone lol -
< Letters patent, sign-manual warrant and patent roll entry relating to the conferring of the Principality of Wales.
The Crown Office has confirmed that illuminated letters patent have been prepared and sealed with the pendant seal, and are in the possession of Kensington Palace. >
https://twitter.com/CrownOffFOIDs/status/1638925201252515840?s=20
Quote from: wannable on March 23, 2023, 05:55:48 PM
Gert's Royals
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A copy of the official Letters Patent granting Prince William the titles Prince of Wales & Earl of Chester.
This is the official legal document that granted William these titles.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fr6QlNrWIAAa5JJ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
I'm actually pleased that it is written in both English and Welsh.
It is interesting that each time Prince William's name is mentioned all his names are included: William Arthur Philip Louis.
An article from Daniela Elser Aussie columnist, whose main role as a journalist is to provide copy for British tabloids in their attacks on Meghan and Harry every five minutes.
However here in an article for Aus News she turns her attention to Kate, under the headline ?Kate Midfleton?s 29 day disappearance is a big problem for King Charles.?.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/kate-middletons-29day-disappearance-is-a-big-problem-for-king-charles/news-story/33896472fa206de8a694dcb925eefdb6
Imagine getting the biggest job of your life so far, a job with possibly crushing pressure, and having assumed the mantle of one of the most truly iconic women of the late 20th century, and then proceeding to take four weeks off work.
And yet, that is exactly what Kate has just done.
Even now, she is on track to take off about four months this year, which is nearly 11 weeks, or just shy of three months more than most Brits get.
Now the Wales apologists in the room will be quick to interject here and point out that for years, the Prince and Princess of Wales have routinely taken off British school holidays to spend time with their three tiny HRHs, Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis.
There are 16 weeks of hols in the Lambrook year, the private school that all three wee Waleses started attending after the family moved to a home on the Windsor estate last year.
If the Princess of Wales keeps up the pattern we have seen, of taking lengthy chunks of leave so she can gambol about muddy fields or teach her children the correct way to discipline a footman, then this has the making of a very real problem for her father-in-law and ultimate boss King Charles.
One of the most overused lines about the late Queen was her having once quipped, ?I have to be seen to be believed.? While it sounds like the sort of bon mot that would have made her the toast of dinner parties for the horsey set, there is more than a grain of truth to it.
Perhaps the most fundamental thing the royal family has to do is to be seen.
Gert's Royals: Prince William & Princess Kate - Official Engagements (2023) (http://gertsroyals.blogspot.com/2023/01/prince-william-princess-kate-official.html)
It is now nearly May. How many official engagements has Kate performed so far this year?
Official Engagements so far in 2023:
William Solo - 24
Kate Solo - 21
Joint - 18
So, 39! And it will be seen that William isn?t bursting a boiler as a full time royal either!
Kate Middleton Criticized for Working Just 90 Engagements This Year (https://www.newsweek.com/kate-middleton-criticized-working-ninety-engagements-year-1768113) 2022.
The data set lists Kate as having undertaken 90 public engagements, which when compared to the annual data published by The Times of London in 2021, would have her down 33 engagements from last year.
The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, working royals who are first cousins to Queen Elizabeth II, undertook 100 and 94 engagements, respectively, over the course of the year, despite both being in their seventies.
According to @rebootdigitalpr, who analysed entries on the Court Circular, this is how many official engagements each working member of the Royal Family carried out in 2022:
1. Princess Anne ? 214
2. King Charles ? 181
3. Prince Edward ? 143
4. Countess Sophie ? 138
5. Prince William ? 126
6. Camilla, the Queen Consort ? 102
7. Duke of Gloucester ? 100
8. Duchess of Gloucester ? 92
9. Princess Kate ? 90
10. Duke of Kent ? 78
I completely agree with this. There is no reason why her numbers shouldn?t be higher. While I don?t expect her to be competing with Princess Anne, she shouldn?t be that low on the list as the Princess of Wales.
And all of her children are in school, so the old excuse of raising the kids can?t really be used anymore. I can?t see what school holidays have to do with it either. If you take those off, it should only mean that most every other weekday that you?re not on holiday should be filled with an engagement of some kind.
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The Prince of Wales and his private secretary, Jean Christophe Gray, are to part company as William and Kate restructure their household with a new CEO. They have also appointed a new COO, Sean Carney, who joined Kensington Palace this month from Telemos Capital
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Having a CEO in charge of a royal Household instead of the Private Secretaries that have existed since mid reign in Queen Victoria?s time is a very new development. We will have to wait and see how it unfolds. It will all depend upon how this CEO manages staff under him and courtiers from the main other Household, the King?s. Theres always plenty of jealousies, petty and otherwise, afloat in these bureaucracies so it is likely to be a couple of years at least before this new position will be seen as good or bad. All Royal Households are very traditional in their approach so everyone will have to adjust.
The Prince of Wales is to hire a former diplomat who was made an MBE for work on international peacekeeping as his private secretary as he takes on more royal responsibilities.
Ian Patrick, who has worked for the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office and as a geopolitical consultant, will join the Kensington Palace team as part of a restructuring to support the Prince and Princess of Wales.
Prince of Wales hires diplomat as he steps up responsibilities (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2024/02/09/prince-of-wales-hires-diplomat-steps-up-responsibilities/)
Inside William's next act: Tatler's May issue goes behind the scenes as the Prince of Wales is rising above the noise - and playing the long game. -
The burden of leadership is falling upon Prince William - but as former BBC Royal Correspondent, Wesley Kerr OBE, explains in Tatler's May cover story, the future king is taking charge. -
https://www.tatler.com/article/prince-william-cover-may-2024?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on March 22, 2024, 03:17:26 PMInside William's next act: Tatler's May issue goes behind the scenes as the Prince of Wales is rising above the noise - and playing the long game. -
The burden of leadership is falling upon Prince William - but as former BBC Royal Correspondent, Wesley Kerr OBE, explains in Tatler's May cover story, the future king is taking charge. -
https://www.tatler.com/article/prince-william-cover-may-2024?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
Thank you for sharing.