A thread for Diana's fashion. Please post all articles and discussion about her fashion, jewelry and accessories here. Please avoid making new threads for fashion. Thank you.
Diana's sister, Lady Jane Fellowes, had worked at Vogue as an editorial assistant.
Lady Jane metamorphosed her sister into the dashing young lady who captured the fashion world.
When Lady Jane approached the London editors of Vogue and suggested they help her sister, they agreed.
Editor-in-chief Beatrix Miller, fashion editor Anna Harvey, and beauty editor Felicity Clark were some ladies that helped to create Diana's new image.
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Not sure, Vogue had and has not idea about royal fashion, style and requirements and Diana's style was frumpy one, influenced by Queen and Queen Mother, before she reached 25, some experiences and self confidence thanks to relationship with jerk Ginger
@LouisFerdinand I did not know that about her sister. I am not so quick to give credit to Vogue and her sister as I am to the designers of the clothing she wore.
But you are right - she had someone assisting her in developing the glamourous persona she became. Whomever her personal stylist was was one of the best stylists ever. Good heavens the world watched everytime Diana stepped out into the world. (or, if anyone feels as if I'm being overly dramatic, at least
I stopped to see what she wore every time she stepped outside......)
Vogue introduced Diana to designers it was Diana's good taste that she looked fabulous.
I may be in the minority (I think I am!) but I loved Diana's early look - all romance and sweeping long skirts and soft colors and florals and ruffles. I think that having been a teenager in the 1970s (think harsh colors, polyester :ahhh: , short short skirts with no twirl :no:) this sudden opportunity to wear pretty clothes was just a moment of pure happiness! I had looked at my mother and the clothing she wore in the 1940s and 1950s and cursed that my youth had coincided with the dregs of fashion. Now I could dress up in ladylike clothing too! :hehe: Thank you Diana! :lol:
^^^Oh you weren't the only teen from that era who loved the change! Laura Ashley was a godsend. Diana showcased so many pretty colors and luxurious fabrics.
Laura Ashley -- :vday2: :happy: I went to London in my early twenties and although I am not a shopper normally, I ran to the Laura Ashley store and stocked up on white floaty blouses and long full skirts in so many pretty colors. I just was in paradise! I must say that when I look at pictures of myself from that era -- I looked pretty good! Especially compared with the horrors of a few years before. I used to love to go to bookstores and page through Majesty magazine just to see what Diana was wearing :D
^ I don't know that in any photos I've seen of Jane Fellowes I've been struck by her elegance and fashion sense. I certainly think that Diana was helped by several leaders in the world of fashion, including editors of Vogue.
I do agree about Laura Ashley patterns and the floaty romantic fabrics of that era. Diana, tall, slender, very pretty, could of course have worn a potato sack and looked fantastic, but she certainly did justice to the fashions of the 1980's.
Quote from: missbliss on December 15, 2015, 03:34:22 PM
Laura Ashley -- :vday2: :happy: I went to London in my early twenties and although I am not a shopper normally, I ran to the Laura Ashley store and stocked up on white floaty blouses and long full skirts in so many pretty colors. I just was in paradise! I must say that when I look at pictures of myself from that era -- I looked pretty good! Especially compared with the horrors of a few years before. I used to love to go to bookstores and page through Majesty magazine just to see what Diana was wearing :D
I did the same thing at the bookstores. In Southern California you could find Majesty and Royalty at the larger ones. I loved the pretty, feminine looks that Diana wore during her engagement and the early years of her marriage.
I didn't stop buying the mags and looking at what she wore in the 80's. I kept up in the 90's too.
Remember the black velvet "Up Yours, Charles" dress? She rocked it! And she didn't need the timing of when she wore the dress in order to make a statement.... at least that's what I've always thought.....
And the jewelry... ahhhhhhh the jewelry........
Vogue's task force gave Diana hints on how to avoid embarrassment and stay elegant in the toughest conditions. Diana was told not to drop her head or look sheepish.
Quote from: missbliss on December 15, 2015, 01:54:05 PM
I may be in the minority (I think I am!) but I loved Diana's early look - all romance and sweeping long skirts and soft colors and florals and ruffles. I think that having been a teenager in the 1970s (think harsh colors, polyester :ahhh: , short short skirts with no
I think they were very pretty, she looked sweet and innocent and ladylike. But of course she grew older and wanted to look smarter and sleeker... I think that her later clothes, when she took to smart suits and little shift dresses was also excellent.
Vogue's task force advised Diana to sip some water when feeling bashful and to realize that everyone speaking to her was far more embarrassed then she was.
In Diana: Story of a Princess, Tim Clayton and Phil Craig wrote:
Within a week of Prince Charles's proposal on February 6, Lady Diana was in session with Vogue fashion editor Anna Harvey choosing clothes.
The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor (http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/)
Then Lady Diana in the Collingwood diamonds for a Vogue photoshoot.
Nice thread both about Diana and Jane, sounds so much like her :flower: my two fav Spencer girls working together. While im sure the advice and exposure Vogue offered was helpful, its probably more a case of they were the ones who got the option as opposed to without their help, she wouldnt have been as popular.
While its true that at the very beginning, say July 1980 to say September 1980, one could argue that the bulk of attention was due to her being the next one of "Charlie's Angels" so to speak. But once people got a good look at her, id say the Young England photocall, is when it started to shift and Di-mania took off.
She had that intrinsic ability to draw you in with her eyes, smile and demure looks that made people want to see more and more of her, and made them feel connected to her and want to protect and nurture her whenever the press was too much, or she had a look of concern or sadness, and a big bright smile would brighten our day (and sell papers!).
That alone would have made her famous. Dont get me wrong im not being critical of Vogue, just saying that a lot of the credit also goes to the spirit and beauty of Miss D. Spencer herself :crazylove:
What happened to Princess Diana's jewellery? Where are the Princess of Wales? royal gems? | Style | Life & Style | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/style/907059/princess-diana-of-wales-charles-death-jewellery-ring)
QuotePRINCESS DIANA was a given a great amount of jewellery before her untimely death aged 36. During her marriage to Prince Charles and after she was given lavish gems by dignitaries and the Royal Family. Where is that jewellery now?
Quote from: Kritter on January 21, 2018, 01:57:37 PM
What happened to Princess Diana's jewellery? Where are the Princess of Wales? royal gems? | Style | Life & Style | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/style/907059/princess-diana-of-wales-charles-death-jewellery-ring)
Kate seems to have got quite a bit of Diana's jewellery, including the most important ring in Diana's collection. She also seems to have snaffled earrings and a bracelet.
Considering that some at least of his mother's jewellery, ie the Saudi suite, probably went back into the Royal vaults and others are inappropriate such as the push present necklace with 'William' etched on it in Charles's writing, it will be interesting to see what scraps have been left for Harry's wife, considering the jewellery was SUPPOSED to have been shared between her two sons not just given to the one who married first. Very little in my estimation.
Time will tell who stayed with what. I am sure the brothers will split Diana's jewelry pieces 50/50 fairly, they have transformed or made new jewelry out of an old piece, Kate with sapphire earrings, Harry with the engagement ring; pieces taken from an original set. For example the diamonds from the necklace mentioned in the article, there are plenty diamonds left from that piece.
The brothers seem to love each other loads, no soap drama here.
I agree
@wannable as there should be plenty from Diana's private collection to be used intact or refashioned into new pieces by both of her daughters-in-law. Diana or her estate might have been willed some jewelry from both of her parents upon their deaths. IMO there also were likely other pieces from her own personal collection that were never seen by the public. :)
@Curryong is correct though that pieces that were loaned to Diana or were gifts from foreign rulers ie: Saudi Arabia would be the property of the BRF and would have been returned upon her death.
But the brothers are the inheritors. Only through the brothers, anyone may receive what was Diana's jewelry. No one else can decide but William and Harry!
Kate is not the daughter or inheritor of Diana. The only people who can trash whatever Diana had is William and Harry for that matter.
Kate likes to wear a lot her own Kiki McDonough jewelry during daytime royal duty outings. She uses the more fanciful jewelry that were Diana's or Crown Jewels during evening wear.
Quote from: TLLK on January 21, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
I agree @wannable as there should be plenty from Diana's private collection to be used intact or refashioned into new pieces by both of her daughters-in-law. Diana or her estate might have been willed some jewelry from both of her parents upon their deaths. IMO there also were likely other pieces from her own personal collection that were never seen by the public. :)
@Curryong is correct though that pieces that were loaned to Diana or were gifts from foreign rulers ie: Saudi Arabia would be the property of the BRF and would have been returned upon her death.
We dont know how much is still set aside for both boys, with William being first to marry, Kate has shown off the most of them so far, maybe Harry is waiting till he gets married to Meghan to start bring them out. I'd say after a year or two of them being married we'll know more about it. Sadly, a lot of the iconic jewels she wore were on loan from either the RF or the Spencers in the case of her family tiara.
Am curious
@TLLK if the Saudi set was a wedding present to her, how would it be the RF property? (other than the old possession is 9/10th of the law after her death)? Theres a lovely sapphire bracelet that she rarely wore that I wish shed have done more, same with the larger single sapphire earrings, she seemed to like the double ones more.
QuoteAm curious @TLLK if the Saudi set was a wedding present to her, how would it be the RF property? (other than the old possession is 9/10th of the law after her death)? Theres a lovely sapphire bracelet that she rarely wore that I wish shed have done more, same with the larger single sapphire earrings, she seemed to like the double ones more.
This is the best answer that I've found regarding the BRF and gifts of jewelry from foreign rulers.
How a routine royal visit spelt trouble for the Countess of Wessex - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/8999872/How-a-routine-royal-visit-spelt-trouble-for-the-Countess-of-Wessex.html)
QuoteBuckingham Palace said that official gifts, such as the jewels, are not the personal property of the royal family. Although the Countess can now wear the jewels at functions they remain the property of the Royal Collection.
Thanks for the info
@TLLK guess its one of those many differences between normal ppl and royals in terms of customs. Its a shame they didnt go directly to the boys, while im sure they will have some access to them, its not the same as having them in ones own estate/possession and relying on the good grace of the family to loan them out.
Also once HM goes, one wonders if Charles will want these visual reminders of his first wife out on display?
@TLLK s posts were about the fact that gifts from foreign states are not property of the individual royals, so in that sense, once he is king, and then the loaning of them out falls to his decision.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on January 21, 2018, 10:33:14 PM
Thanks for the info @TLLK guess its one of those many differences between normal ppl and royals in terms of customs. Its a shame they didnt go directly to the boys, while im sure they will have some access to them, its not the same as having them in ones own estate/possession and relying on the good grace of the family to loan them out.
Also once HM goes, one wonders if Charles will want these visual reminders of his first wife out on display?
I would gather that the gifts of jewelry from Middle Eastern monarchs have become a bit of an issue as we saw with Sophie's gift. Having it remain in possession of the Crown/State seems to be the best solution as an outright refusal could be seen as a diplomatic snub.
Now it is possible that the pieces could be reworked in a different manner but ultimately would have to remain with the Crown. So if Harry and Meghan were to redesign the Saudi Sapphires into a new piece for her to wear, then that should be acceptable as long as they return to the Crown at their deaths.
TBH I don't really think that Charles would mind that Diana's old pieces are being used by his daughters-in-law. He seems to appreciate fine jewelry on the ladies that he cares about and since he's gifted Kate with some lovely pieces, I'm sure that the same will happen with Meghan. :)
Quote from: Curryong on January 21, 2018, 05:21:27 PM
Kate seems to have got quite a bit of Diana's jewellery, including the most important ring in Diana's collection. She also seems to have snaffled earrings and a bracelet.
Considering that some at least of his mother's jewellery, ie the Saudi suite, probably went back into the Royal vaults and others are inappropriate such as the push present necklace with 'William' etched on it in Charles's writing, it will be interesting to see what scraps have been left for Harry's wife, considering the jewellery was SUPPOSED to have been shared between her two sons not just given to the one who married first. Very little in my estimation.
I wonder since Meghan has shown a distinct preference for yellow gold, if she might be the one to inherit Diana's extensive collection of gold earrings, necklaces and bracelets that she wore often during her day engagements but sometimes at evening events. Many of them were worn in the late eighties through the nineties, when Diana had moved on from the pearls that she wore more frequently in the early eighties. Among them are Tiffany and Chanel pieces. Now some of the gold pieces are somewhat "dated" but things can be refashioned if desired.
Diana's Yellow Gold Earrings (http://www.dianasjewels.net/yellowgoldearrings.htm)
The Court Jeweler site has this blog on what they believe were Diana's top ten pieces. Some are returned to the BRF, some were refashioned ie: Kate's sapphire drops, others are being worn by Kate and at least one substantial necklace was sold.
The Top Ten: Princess Diana's Jewels | The Court Jeweller (http://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2014/08/the-top-ten-princess-dianas-jewels.html)
I wonder who inherited the Pearl choker with the Sapphire and Diamond clasp that had been fashioned from a brooch the Queen Mother gave her as a wedding gift.
I hope Meghan does inherit some of the gold pieces, TLLK, as otherwise I fear there will be very slim pickings for her. I've just got a feeling that probably a lot was sold. The fashion is long past for pearl chokers and the like, a pity as I like them, but the diamonds and coloured stones could be fashioned into some new pieces, if Diana's private jewellery has been left intact. There is a lovely topaz dress ring I believe, that Meghan might like.
Until Charlotte is old enough to start attending banquets as Princess Royal, Meghan will definitely have many tiara events as the Duchess of York. Windsor jewels are typically very "old" even when compared with other European monarchies. I think BRF takes pride in that and expect that princesses will favor them for formal events as opposed to the modern pieces.
Diana had her own private collection but the pieces were not intrinsically valuable apart from the sentimental value attached to the wearer. These are probably very special pieces for her sons which they most likely inherited and will share with their wives. I am hopeful that as queen, Kate will not be stingy and will be more than happy to share with her sister-in-law the big pieces from the Windsor collection.
I think the Loversknot will be worn by Kate then eventually passed on to George's wife (when that happens). Alternatively it might be given to Charlotte when she is the Princess Royal.
- Many of Diana's jewels are part of the Windsor collection e.g. Loversknot
- The wife of the second son becomes Duchess of York as Meghan will be.
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She can't become Duchess of York until Andrew is gone.
I assume that as William was the first to marry, Kate is going to be seen wearing some of Diana's "personal" jewels.. but since the 2 of them inherited her estate, in equal parts, some of the jewellery si there for Harry when he has a wife to wear it.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on January 22, 2018, 09:11:49 AM
- Many of Diana's jewels are part of the Windsor collection e.g. Loversknot
- The wife of the second son becomes Duchess of York as Meghan will be.
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The Windsor collection has nothing to do with Diana's jewelry other than Diana wore some of it as Princess Of Wales.
The issue of the jewels, is because the article mentions the Saudi set which is not clear if its personal or crown estate. [edited]
Many 'gifts' that are above the regulation price end up as part of the crown estate.
Blame The Express for including this set of jewels in the article, which was linked to the happy thread discussion.
A wedding gift is personal [edited]
Kritter is right the Windsor jewels were the jewelry that Diana wore, The lovers knot tiara, Queen Mary's art deco emeralds etc. those were returned to the palace. The gifts Diana received for her wedding were her personal jewels. Sarah York was given jewelry as wedding gifts which she still retains and wears her diamond necklaces, earrings etc the only piece that is her personal property she no longer wears is her Tiara and that is still in her collection but is a gift she was given.
Quote from: Trudie on January 22, 2018, 04:23:09 AM
I wonder who inherited the Pearl choker with the Sapphire and Diamond clasp that had been fashioned from a brooch the Queen Mother gave her as a wedding gift.
As this was a wedding gift from QEQM along with the Prince of Wales brooch/pendant, I believe that this would have remained with the brothers.
It appears to me that wedding gifts given to by the BRF members (domestic gifts) to Diana and Sarah have remained with them or their heirs, however any foreign gifts seem to have been returned to the Crown. Sarah's diamond necklace, earrings and tiara were considered a personal gift from QEII and the DoE.
Now Sarah as the Duchess of York received a set of ruby jewelry from Saudi Arabia on her divorce it was returned to the BRF vaults. They would have been returned as they were given to her as a member of the BRF and were not considered to be her personal property. I believe that the same happened with the Saudi and Quatari gifts that Diana received as the Princess of Wales. (The article below has an explanation but it won't let me copy it.) :no:
The Duchess of York's Rubies | The Court Jeweller (http://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2015/03/the-duchess-of-yorks-rubies.html)
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Here is another article from the same blog about Sarah's diamonds that she received as a gift from her in-laws and was permitted to keep after the divorce.
(I know this is Sarah and not Diana but it does include an explanation as to why she was permitted to keep the jewelry as opposed to her Saudi rubies.)
The York Diamond Demi-Parure | The Court Jeweller (http://www.thecourtjeweller.com/2015/03/the-york-diamond-demi-parure.html)
Thanks for the intel
@TLLK and also thank you for this link Diana's Yellow Gold Earrings (http://www.dianasjewels.net/yellowgoldearrings.htm)
As you probably know, im most fond of the pre engagement era, I think the simple jewellery looks best on her, I love earrings and especially the "D" necklace, and wished it would have stayed as it was, but I can understand maybe she felt it needed some sprucing up once she was a royal, and she made it a gold choker.
But the 10 ten was interesting as well, I liked the Spencer Tiara, anything with sapphires and the crescent set from Oman. Wasnt a fan of emeralds and rubies on her, seemed to clash with her skin tone.
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Thanks for the info
@TLLK guess its one of those many differences between normal ppl and royals in terms of customs. Its a shame they didnt go directly to the boys, while im sure they will have some access to them, its not the same as having them in ones own estate/possession and relying on the good grace of the family to loan them out.
Also once HM goes, one wonders if Charles will want these visual reminders of his first wife out on display?
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Since Kate has been seen wearing Diana's jewelry I guess William received the Saudi Jewels.
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She has the double earrings, but we havent seen her wear much else from that set, it could be that the RF via William gave those to her.
@TLLK is a very knowledgeable source of all things royal, so I believe her where it comes to gifts from heads of state.
Quote from: Curryong on January 22, 2018, 08:08:01 AM
I hope Meghan does inherit some of the gold pieces, TLLK, as otherwise I fear there will be very slim pickings for her. I've just got a feeling that probably a lot was sold. The fashion is long past for pearl chokers and the like, a pity as I like them, but the diamonds and coloured stones could be fashioned into some new pieces, if Diana's private jewellery has been left intact. There is a lovely topaz dress ring I believe, that Meghan might like.
There still remains the Art Deco Greville emeralds from Charles too. Something was the source of Harry's engagement ring side diamonds so it is possible that those good sized stones came from a piece that has been dismantled. TBH Meghan seems to be a rather minimalist jewelry wearer, so some of Diana's 90's pieces might not be her taste. Also I have to wonder if the blue tones that Diana preferred would be flattering on Meghan. The two women have very different coloring. Meghan's birthstone is peridot so Harry might opt to fashion a set for her using gold from Diana's older jewelry.
Now as long as Harry does not go all Union Jack or Stars and Stripes with jewelry for Meghan, I'd be okay with what they choose to create. Most of us remember this "unique" engagement ring created for Princess Marie of Denmark. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/30/5e/be305eab678184a1892474e1e2b4007c.jpg :unsure:
Meghan Markle?s Jewelry Style Guide (http://meghansmirror.com/meghan-markles-jewelry-style-guide/)
Yes, bless his heart, Joachim wanted to incorporate some French features for his darling in her engagement ring. I wonder what Marie really thought when she saw it!
I think diamonds would look well on Meghan, and perhaps emeralds, rubies and pearls, though the latter are really not in fashion any more. Shame! Both Kate and Meghan are minimalists with jewellery, that's true, but in the future both women will be wearing lots, (State Dinners and so forth, and perhaps more tiara events when Charles is King, so I supposed they'd better get used to it!
I agree
@Curryong that emeralds, rubies, and pearls would be lovely colored stones for Meghan to wear. I believe that that Charles will gift his new daughter-in-law with a versatile all diamond set: earrings, bracelet and perhaps a necklace as a wedding present which would be hers to keep.
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Another good source for information on Diana's jewelry.
Diana's Jewels (http://www.dianasjewels.net/)
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@Curryong-This is the site that had information on Diana's gold earrings, bracelets and necklaces.
Quote from: wannable on January 21, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
Kate is not the daughter or inheritor of Diana. The only people who can trash whatever Diana had is William and Harry for that matter.
Kate likes to wear a lot her own Kiki McDonough jewelry during daytime royal duty outings. She uses the more fanciful jewelry that were Diana's or Crown Jewels during evening wear.
AFAIK Diana's executors were Frances and Sarah. I believe that they would have been the ones to organize, collect and dispose of Diana's personal belongings when it was time to remove them from KP.
Paul Burrell did a lot of collecting on his own. Maybe he collected Jewelry too.
Also some pieces were sold to private collectors, like one of the diamond and pearl necklaces. I suppose it gets sticky where it comes to auctioning some off for charity, but at the same time, theyre historical treasures of that time, and one wonders if they shouldnt be preserved for posterity in a museum or something.
It would have been nice for example with her first dress auction, if they could have been "leased" instead of sold where someone could have them for say 10, 20, 25, 30 yrs and then they revert to a museum. IDK if as many ppl would have gone for that, and of course in 96 none of us knew how close to the end we were for her lifespan, but in hindsight, it would have been a nice option for both clothes and jewels.
Quote from: TLLK on January 22, 2018, 10:39:42 PM
AFAIK Diana's executors were Frances and Sarah. I believe that they would have been the ones to organize, collect and dispose of Diana's personal belongings when it was time to remove them from KP.
Was Frances an executor? I thought it was Sarah...
@amabel-From what I've read it was both mother and daughter as the executors of her estate.
As Remainder Of Princess Diana's Estate Passes To Harry, Troubling Questions Remain (https://www.forbes.com/sites/trialandheirs/2014/09/16/as-remainder-of-princess-dianas-estate-passes-to-harry-troubling-questions-remain/#735ccfcd5f05)
QuoteAfter Diana passed on August 31, 1997, her mother, Frances Ruth Shand Kydd, and her sister, Lady Elizabeth Sarah Lavinia McCorquodale, became executors of her Estate, based on Diana's last will and testament dated June 1, 1993 (amended through a codicil in 1996). The probate filings revealed that Diana left behind assets valued at around ?21 million (or worth about 31.5 million in USD at the time), netting ?17 million after estate taxes. Originally, the will called for these assets to be held in trust for Diana's sons, Princes William and Harry, until they turned 25.
I wonder why that was. I thought that she mad her will in 1996 after the divorce but possibly she had made one after her separation from Charles...
In effect whether or not Diana made a will did not matter in the end because the end result is that her executors did exactly as would have been the case had she died intestate: divided up the property equally between her two children. Her statement of wishes was ignored, death duties paid, the BRF took back the jewels that belonged to the royal collection, her apartment was stripped bear and the rest of her chattels distributed equally between W&H. The one difference is that if she had died intestate, W&H would get their share as soon as they were 18. Now they had to wait until they were 25 (a wise move on Diana's part given how silly kids can be with money).
Quote from: royalanthropologist on January 27, 2018, 08:53:42 AM
In effect whether or not Diana made a will did not matter in the end because the end result is that her executors did exactly as would have been the case had she died intestate: divided up the property equally between her two children. Her statement of wishes was ignored, death duties paid, the BRF took back the jewels that belonged to the royal collection, her apartment was stripped bear and the rest of her chattels distributed equally between W&H. The one difference is that if she had died intestate, W&H would get their share as soon as they were 18. Now they had to wait until they were 25 (a wise move on Diana's part given how silly kids can be with money).
well yes I'm just surprised that she named her mother as executor, as generally one would expect her mother to pass away before her.. and it wouldl be better to leave it to Sarah and Jane Spencer perhaps. But I think she didnt' intend this to be her final will, she had problably been advised when she and Charles separated that she should make a new Will and she just divided her property between the boys equally which seems fair. So her jewellery is probably still in store and when Harry gets married, he will have items he can use for his wife.
Im thinking with Jane married to Robert Fellows and being de facto on the other side, and Sarah and her's relationship being complex, and Charles Spencer busy with the Earldom, she likely wanted her mother as a possible counterweight and some, cough, aged wisdom in case she died young.
Im no lawyer, and sometimes entire wills of prominent ppl get contested and overturned, but ive noticed that usually codicils get overturned more than wills that are rewritten properly.
I dont blame her for that, we all think at our mid 30s we've still got forever still to live.
Did any jewellery go to Diana's sisters, Lady Sarah and Lady Jane?
No jewellery went to Diana's mother or sisters as far as I know. I think Diana put a codicil in her will leaving all jewellery that didn't go back to the Crown at the time of her divorce to be divided between her boys. Though, as of this moment it looks as if Kate got the lion's share.
No, her will was quite simple, just leaving everything to the boys. She then wrote a letter of wishes, later on, asking that part of her fortune, should be divided among her 17 god children. but this doesn't have the full force of a will so the Spencers interpreted it as just giving a keepsake to each godchild.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on February 09, 2018, 08:27:30 PM
Did any jewellery go to Diana's sisters, Lady Sarah and Lady Jane?
Not as far as I am aware. Diana was not a dynast so she was entitled to leave her things to anyone she wanted. As it happened she chose her children and her godchildren (although the Spencers shamelessly put paid to that). Maybe the pieces will become more prominent once William is king.
About the early will, I always got the feeling reading in-between the lines that Diana had an inkling that she was not going to last very long after the divorce. Some of her letters were eerily close to the mark about her end. Maybe it was her astrologers who told her but she seemed to have known right from the start that she would never live to be a queen and later on she was dropping hints that the end was not far off. Of course it was all tied up with paranoia but the end result was the same.
I also doubt perhaps aside from some trinket or something of sentimental value (and I dont think either Jane or Sarah were swept up with sentimentality as far as Diana) that any jewelry was left to them.
I think like
@royalanthropologist said, she knew her time was limited, and from an early time that she wouldnt be queen. Now it could be that she knew things not divulged, she did keep tapes of convos with staff members and such aside from what we know. Like the old saying goes, youre not paranoid if theyre really out to get you....but there were at times some overconcern about that, but it was wrapped up in genuine reasons for concern, its what makes her story so compelling. Unless they open up the royal archives and unshred the letters she had, we'll never know the whole story....
Then theres her interest in astrology and her earlier, I dont want to say psychic abilities, but she did have shall we say a connection to things ethereal???? Whatever you want to call it :shrug: Plus the letter was pretty bang on for manner of death, what prompted that???
You know I am at an age where I no longer question peoples' belief systems. Some people think that astrology is a lot of BS but if it was BS, people would not follow it like they do.
The will was very simple but when you really read it and the provisions, it is somewhat unnerving. What a turn up for the books if 100 years from now, the archives are released confirming every thing she said was true??? Surely that would be a monumental injustice.
I would prefer that all the details are published now so that the if there is any price to be paid, it is paid now.
As for the jewels, I hope William has the good sense to share with his brother. Those jewels were meant to be worn by pretty young princesses and it would be a pity if they were locked up for ageing queens and dowagers.
Well there are several megalithic structures built to honor the stars and the zodiac, for example The Sphinx is now thought to be built to honor the constellation Leo. As for more practical examples, Rudolph Steiner and his biodynamic farming method uses the cycles of the planets and stars in its methods, think of astrology meets organic farming, but practitioners swear by it.
As for the will, papers and any secrets, its no guarantee, but in the early to mid 80s they tried to say she was mad about what was going on in her marriage and she was right, whos not to say she might be right about this as well?
I'd also like things opened so those responsible will pay (heck the UK could get rid of their deficit by charging fans for a few minutes in locked room with the guilty parties). But I doubt any revelations will be made until at least HM, PP, and C&C are gone, the boys might in their late middle age reveal what they have access to, but by the time William is king, will he be a part of the system enough to keep its secrets????
I hope W&H share Diana's jewels, we'll know more after the wedding im guessing.
Quote from: amabel on February 10, 2018, 12:02:30 PM
No, her will was quite simple, just leaving everything to the boys. She then wrote a letter of wishes, later on, asking that part of her fortune, should be divided among her 17 god children. but this doesn't have the full force of a will so the Spencers interpreted it as just giving a keepsake to each godchild.
Yes this letter is why her Godchildren didn't receive exactly what she'd wished for them.
I wished Diana (or more specifically her legal advisor who took the letter) had instructed her more persuasively to formally change the will to have her wished respected. Between that and the running the Memorial fund into the ground, really soured me on Sarah.
IDK if it was greed, incompetence or having the last word on a sibling rivalry but it was rubbish.
i dont think sarah and jane felt much genuine fraternity for their youngest sister Diana...
BTW this earrings are amazing, i dont believe they belong to the windsors (ie: wedding gifts jewels)
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I wonder if kate or meghan will be seen with this pair
They would look nice on either of them, given the time diff in the two brothers marriages, theres been ample opportunity for W&K to sample the lions share of the jewels, we dont know what kind of storage situation they set up after Diana's passing as far as ease of access.
Quote from: dianab on February 15, 2018, 11:27:42 PM
i dont think sarah and jane felt much genuine fraternity for their youngest sister Diana...
BTW this earrings are amazing, i dont believe they belong to the windsors (ie: wedding gifts jewels)
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I wonder if kate or meghan will be seen with this pair
Diamond and aquamarine drops and I agree
@dianab that they were not a wedding gift from a foreign country or gifted to her by another member of the BRF.
I want to say they were part of the set with the Aquamarine ring
@TLLK , but I wouldnt bet my life on it...for it was sapphires or nothing as far as her jewels.
Okay this is what I have found on the earrings. First seen at the Cannes Film festival and last seen in 1996. Most likely still with the brothers as it appears they were part of her personal collection.
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QuoteThe last recorded appearance of the large aquamarine earrings was at a dinner during a 1996 visit to Italy (thanks @Davidls6). Their current location is unknown, but they probably belong to the Duke of Cambridge or Prince Harry.
QuoteI want to say they were part of the set with the Aquamarine ring @TLLK
Yes she did own the large aquamarine ring, but it was purchased at a later date. IMHO the brothers will likely set up a private "foundation" for their wives to make use of their late mother's jewelry. :Jen:
Nice link
@TLLK see that pic of her in Rio in 91, OMG so fierce and lovely :brightside:
Your idea of a foundation made me think of an idea, imagine if they set up a charitable foundation where stars could donate in exchange for a limited borrow, for say BAFTA/Oscars of some SELECT jewellery, nothing with deep sentimental value , etc.
That way they could raise some money for charity and at the same time still be available for K&M to wear.
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Quote from: TLLK on February 10, 2018, 04:55:50 PM
Yes this letter is why her Godchildren didn't receive exactly what she'd wished for them.
yes, if she had really been serious about it, she should have added a codicil or remade her Will...
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QuoteThough her legacy extends far-beyond fashion, Princess Diana is arguably the greatest style icon of the 20th century. We revisit her most memorable looks from the iconic wedding gown to her infamous revenge dress.
Diana was the most beautifully turned out woman no matter the occasion from casual to the most formal she nailed every look and was far from playing safe and frumpy in her choices.
Yes she was a true icon. One would have never seen her have chicken feathers coming out of her head.
An interesting observation about Diana's Elvis gown in a doco on the influence of the Windsor women on fashion through the ages. Apparently the gown was based on an outfit of Queen Alexandra's.
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TBH I don't know how Alexandra and Mary were able to walk upright considering their ropes of pearls, brooches and stomachers that they frequently wore all at the same time!
Yes, Alexandra was bad enough but Mary was a veritable jewelled pillar when she wore all her bling! Ramrod straight and very queenly, though, even though those tiaras and heavy necklaces must have really hurt after a few hours.
If anyone ever saw Queen Alexandra on their coronation day I don't know how she managed to walk down the abbey aisle without clanking she had so much bling.
o dedicate this post JUST to Dianas style and fashion if thats ok?
To start off with, please tell me your views (Likes and dislikes) of this beautiful pure silk-satin ballgown that Diana wore on 3 seperate occassions- Following pics are just one occassion at Claridges
Thankyou all
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I've already given my opinion on this lovely gown. Don't know if you've taken a look, darkdays, but there are a large number of photos of Diana wearing different outfits on the child board for her, and comments about them in the thread 'Princess Diana, Pictures and videos.'
@darkdaysaugust1997 - You might want to consider
@Curryong's suggestion about looking at the child board for the Princess of Wales. There are pages of threads discussing her fashion and all aspects of her life.
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Quote from: Curryong on October 09, 2018, 07:26:25 AM
I've already given my opinion on this lovely gown. Don't know if you've taken a look, darkdays, but there are a large number of photos of Diana wearing different outfits on the child board for her, and comments about them in the thread 'Princess Diana, Pictures and videos.'
Yeah curryong- Love your comments- Just wasnted to start a dedicated post
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Can I have your views on this wonderful creation please?
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/13/16/0054715800000258-4117750-image-a-18_1484326172159.jpg
Diana always looked wonderful in white and cream. The shade suited her blonde colouring. The gown pictured here somewhat resembles the one before. The bodice top is lavish with beautiful embroidery etc and the satin skirt is full and flowing. She looks lovely.
I think it is too fussy and "big". She is pretty but the dress is a bit too much...
Quote from: amabel on October 09, 2018, 08:02:17 PM
I think it is too fussy and "big". She is pretty but the dress is a bit too much...
Thanks again currong. Yes it has many similarities with the previous lilac ballgown doesnt it? Its designed by the same designer- Catherine Walker. She was rumoured as Dianas favourite designer and certainly wasnt affraid to be extrabagant which I believe Diana loved, certainly in her ballgowns. Its so unfortunate that this is the only picture of Diana wearing the gown isnt it?
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Quote from: darkdaysaugust1997 on October 09, 2018, 09:36:09 PM
Thanks again currong. Yes it has many similarities with the previous lilac ballgown doesnt it? Its designed by the same designer- Catherine Walker. She was rumoured as Dianas favourite designer and certainly wasnt affraid to be extrabagant which I believe Diana loved, certainly in her ballgowns. Its so unfortunate that this is the only picture of Diana wearing the gown isnt it?
When you say its too 'big' Can you elaborate please? Love to hear your views?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lJLvkuImWNQ/SclTFeFdwhI/AAAAAAAAAY4/L8qrMYrp7mQ/s400/dianadress12.jpg
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So, if any of you had to choose. Which of the following 2 would be your favourite please and why?
https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/princess-diana-prettiest-dresses-gowns-13.jpg?w=800
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/13/16/0054715800000258-4117750-image-a-18_1484326172159.jpg
Both are stunning in my opinion. Both are designed by Catherine Walker too, and both are predominantly the same fabric- 100% Thai silk-satin
Thanks
IMO the second one was the better of the two, but I have to say that I found them to be a bit "dowdy" for such a young woman even though this was the late 1980's. It is true that they are well made with beautiful materials, but honestly the lilac one reminds me of something that the late FLOTUS Barbara Bush would have worn to an inaugural ball.
Quote from: TLLK on October 10, 2018, 03:34:16 PM
IMO the second one was the better of the two, but I have to say that I found them to be a bit "dowdy" for such a young woman even though this was the late 1980's. It is true that they are well made with beautiful materials, but honestly the lilac one reminds me of something that the late FLOTUS Barbara Bush would have worn to an inaugural ball.
I don't think I'd call them dowdy, they have lovely material and I like the colours.. but I tink the great sweep of material is a bit OTT and it drowns Diana a bit. I like some of her earlier 'big ballgowns" and evening dresses she wore when pregnant..but I think she herself preferred her slimmer elegant 90s dresses and suits...
Thanks again.
TLLK- I respectfully disagree that these ballgowns are 'dowdy'. Ballgowns were, and still are, intentionally elaborate and extravagant- more so for a Princess!.
Annabel- I dont think Diana is atall drowned by these gowns either- The bodices are deliberately figure flattering arent they? The full skirts are, as I say deliberately elaborate. The wearing of a ballgown is a lot to do with how the wearer sweeps the full skirt around her whilst walking, sitting, standing etc.
If the gowns are too OTT, you could apply that to any bride in a full skirted bridal gown couldnt you?
Could I have your valued opinion on this gown too please.......
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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/d4/12/b3d412f78010001f2ad8a1396d502cda.jpg
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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/02/22/11/3D84ADDE00000578-4248652-image-a-22_1487761690803.jpg
Thanks again
I love Diana in 99% of her clothing actually, but this doesn't take my fancy as much as the others, I have to say. I don't like pale pink myself too much though it suited her and I guess I get too much of a 1980s vibe from it. Not my favourite fashion decade.
I asked a friend who likes Diana and Diana's clothing and is knowledgable about it. This is what he said about the gown with the lilac skirt and the CW white. Below.
I remember Jayne Fincher talking about the lilac dress when she snapped Diana in it during a shoot, and she said it was so tight she could barely breathe. The white one is very regal and great for a portrait or stamp, etc. but lilac/purple, etc. was just made for her, and the snaps of her in it, are much more vibrant and animated. might not be fair to the dressmaker, as she has no control over that, but it is what it is.
Yes, Im familiar with Jayne Finchers book 'Portrait of a Princess' where she photographed Diana at Kensington Palace. Diana was wearing the Catherine Walker Lilac ballgown I first referenced here. Jayne Fincher obviously commented on how beautiful Diana looked and apparently Diana joked back that the gown (or rather the ruched middle of it) was so tight that she could barely breathe.
This is the photo and gown in question- Undeniably stunning I think
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Diana looked lovely and the embroidery on that gown was spectacular. Wasn't it made for the tour of India, where there were no actual photos taken of the event with her wearing it? Diana scarcely needed the little pearl necklet there in the photo, IMO.
Im not sure if that Catherine Walker gown was originally made for a tour of India if im honest. I know she wore it to Claridges then to a state visit to Kuwait then above at Kensington Palace before it was altered to the straight skirted reincarnation.
This is her in it in Kuwait:
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https://princessdianabookboutique.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/image414.jpg?w=660
Incredible how she stands out in that second photo i think.
With regard to her pearl necklate- i think it was subtle enough to compliment her and the ballgown without being over powering
Thanks again
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Another fave of mine (and Dianas)
Your views, once again welcomed:-
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http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article685371.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/James%20Whitaker%20looks%20at%20a%20dress%20worn%20by%20Princess%20Diana%20before%20it%20goes%20up%20for%20auction%20in%201997
Thanks
Is this a portrait by Terence Donovan, c 1987?
The type of wrap collar Diana is wearing here is very popular now, I think. Fashion is so cyclical, lol! Now, I think Diana's beauty transcended even the ridiculous if cute early day dresses, and I do like green as a colour. (Diana didn't care for emeralds, which would have really gone with this gown.) But the faux Victorian semi bustle drape at the front, plus the buttons, don't really do anything for me, sorry.
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From my friend about Diana's green gown.
The darker the green, the more it washes her out, it's my least fav color on her, up there with orange.
If she wore a tiara with Emeralds in it, it might have worked better, sort of framed her face between the green of the dress and the Emeralds,but the pearls also wash her out, too. It's probably the only time I can think of Jewelry assisting her look, I know its probably a guy thing, but I always find her eyes and smile outshine any jewels she wears so they're kind of a waste on me, but this is a rare case where I'd like to see her in Emeralds.
As for the dress itself, the formal stuff is kind of meh for me, aside from a select few, but that's likely due to my penchant for seeing her in a skirt and polo shirt, with maybe a sweater/vest. I did like the green one she wore in her engagement photos, but it also washed her out, seems green is her fashion kryptonite.
Princess Diana wore red in 1981.
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/293226625717283264
Could I have your detailed opinions on this ballgown please?
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It's very dramatic isn't it, with its black and fiery orange/red contrast in the full skirt? 1987, in Washington, and a Victor Edelstein creation, I believe. Quite Spanish in influence and something quite different for Diana, as she didn't usually mix black with more vivid colours. Very unusual long gloves. One of her triumphs of the time, I guess, although 1980s fashions do tend to look quite dated now. She always looked so beautiful. She could wear anything and look a million dollars.
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And my friend's contribution on this gown.
ah yes, I remember that outfit. While it was noted for it's bold fashion risk taking with the separate colored gloves & using her medallion worn in front as an accent (hard to really think of any other times she wore any such medallions like that much).
I like to think of it like a tv series, its kind of like the quirky one off episode that has nothing to do with the overall arc of the story, like the x-files would do, or like a holiday themed episode of any other series. A fun distraction, but not something you'd want to see every week. I like that she had a bit of a go at the formal attire with cheap high street gloves, and the medallion made up on the cheap for the dress, maybe a play on all those stuffy other royals festooned with medallions all over their sides. Think of it like as much of a halloween costume that Diana could get away with as a royal.....
It's a bit of whim and whimsy, but not an all time classic. Also I wasnt as big a fan of her going bare shouldered like that, really emphasized how thin she was then, compared to say when she would wear one shoulder bare, or with straps, would still highlight her shoulders and neck, but not make she look so gaunt. (now, had she worn that dress in 1980, I might have a different opinion of her wearing that style, hubba hubba LOL).
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Two months before her demise, the sale in New York occurred of seventy-nine of Princess Diana's gowns to raise money for charity. Did the idea for the auction come from Prince William?
Thanks for your views again- theyre very valid as always.
What does your friend mean by cheap high street gloves though and a medallion??? I have no information on those lovely satin gloves but I doubt very much that they are cheap or from any high street!!?
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Any views on this ivory Thai silk-satin gown?
I so wished Diana had been photographed in it without her children, I think that would have looked amazing. I cant imagine she was happy having her kids hands on that fabric!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/15/00/3C22CF0C00000578-4120958-image-a-43_1484439855265.jpg
Thai silk is outstanding isn't it, and I bet the feel of it was just wonderful? Of course Diana, having been a kindergarten teacher, was relaxed around little kids so I suppose any stain wouldnt be the trauma it would be to say a childless model.
I'm not in love with the cut of the shoulders and sleeves of this outfit to be honest, but Diana just looked so terrific in white that if I had seen her in real life wearing it I would have raved about it probably looking angelic!
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I've never seen this gown before. It is very lovely and what I find interesting is that Diana's predecessor as Princess of Wales, Queen Alexandra could have easily worn this style of gown during her lifetime.
DarkDays, below is my friend's answers to the queries of your last post and views on the Thai silk.
What I meant by it, was the gloves were just high street knockoffs of the usual silk(?) party gloves that royals and others of that set usually wear when they're looking snobby. Also the medallion she had made up as costume jewelry (I even checked it, in case my memory was faulty). Of course on Diana, most things look awesome, it's only when you take the old Bruce Oldfield eye and "tear things to bits" for the dress and items by themselves, that one notices little things like that. So often Diana was talking to us via her clothes, and like her clever jokes, comments and ripostes, she was just as clever with her fashion.
With the current offering, it's one that screams early 80s, with the pouffy sleeves/shoulders. The cream and pink is in her wheelhouse compared to just a cream only fabric, but i'd have preferred more light pink to white in it(next to lavender, you know I really like light pink and blue on her).
It does makes a nice "formal casual" outfit for things like family portraits, low key day events at KP, private events with the family, etc. I know she didn't fancy coats but with a dark coat one it would look nice, maybe a morning at Sandringham at xmas. I'm trying to remember my early 80s esthetics, it wasn't one of my all time favs, that's for sure. But several would i'm sure disagree quite strongly with the choices i'd prefer to see her in.
I'm sure the kids were hard on the fabric if she wore it while they were playing about, and while the fabric might have looked better without the boys around, I'm sure Diana would rather see the pics with the boys there, the dressers could always worry about how the dress would get fixed LOL.
As far as Diana herself, she looks lovely with my 2nd fav earrings, 1st being the even bigger ones from that set) she's in that morphing her big hair stage, so it's kind of inbetween styles, but as always looks lovely and touchable, and I like its not as blonde as it will get later (mostly it's the reason she went more blonde that upsets me more than the actual color itself).
I agree with everyone.
I do not think it can be disputed . Diana had that simple ? It ?factor.
Poise. Height. A look. Figure. Expression. It is just an overall look. One can be some of these things like, tall, shapely, etc, but not have The It Factor.
The It Factor is simply one has or does not have .
I have and I know you do too, have some family and friends with The It Factor.
They just stand out, the right way. Heads turn.
Now Diana?s style. Yes , she was a fashion icon.
Some things are very dated 1980s. Bows and puff sleeves and puff skirts. SCREAM 1980s. :lol:
Others could be worn today. The Elvis color gown.
The Black,White Saudi tour gown.
The little black dress.
The read houndstooth pattern skirt and black houndstooth pattern jacket.
Princess Diana made polka dots fashionable. I have seen an 1873 photograph of Princesses Alexandra and Dagmar of Denmark wearing matching dresses with polka dots. It shows how long polka dots have existed.
Polka dots of white on a black or navy background were very fashionable in the 1930s. I think Marina of Kent wore them on occasion.
Thanks once again for your valid responses on this FABULOUS dress of Dianas-
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I still think it was such a waste that there wasnt at least one pic of her in it on her own during that photoshoot. No disrespect to her children but it would have been great to see her in it without them or charles there.
The way she's been photographed in it we cant see the skirt part hardly atall can we? Such a shame I think.
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Anna Harvey called in for too many clothes because she had absolutely no idea of the kind of clothes Lady Diana liked.
@LouisFerdinand -Actually it is not uncommon for magazine photographers and dressers to bring in a large number of clothing items/outfits for these types of photo shoots. Better to have more options than fewer.
@TLLK, A lot of various different styles are truly better than just a few.
Any views / opinions on this BEAUTIFUL silk chiffon full skirted gown please:-
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/04/article-0-1915BAC800000578-405_634x933.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/37/17/56/3717566d42ff40d438b7e22de88cb594.jpg
http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35600000/princess-of-wales-princess-diana-35697066-2440-3661.jpg
Also- fave of the 3 pics above and why please?
Thanks
This is not my favorite of her evening wear. It borders on a costume.
Is this the occasion when Diana danced with Wayne Sleep at the Friends of Covent Garden Christmas party in 1985? If it is then I think the top photo with Wayne is my favourite. Not simply because Diana is looking at the dancer and smiling so sweetly, but because that evening is sort of iconic, in that it was the first time a Princess of Wales had danced with a professional male ballet dancer (she in a very slinky silk dress) on a stage in front of an audience.
Of course it supposedly shocked Charles who felt it was both undignified and because it had been kept secret from him. (Charles fancied himself as a theatrical performer and would have liked to have done a mild comedy number with his wife, on the lines of a skit that he and Diana had performed the year before.) However, she got a buzz from it and Sleep and Diana became great friends.
Although Diana was 5ft 11ins and Wayne only 5ft 2'' this photo shows how friendly they are. I like the bodice of the dress and its top is fashionable today. I'm not so keen on the elongated waist, but on the whole the chiffon skirt works for me. Diana was of course tall and elegant. Don't think the gown would have worked on anyone not built like a sleek greyhound though!
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Late Diana,Princess of Wales wores this dress for banquet in November 6,1989 to Bahrain to toll between by ?80,00-?100,000 pounds in uk
QuoteThe ivory silk gown was designed by Elizabeth and David Emanuel - who was also Diana's wedding dress designer - for the Princess to wear on a state visit to Bahrain, which formed part of her 1986 tour of the Gulf.
A few years later it was donated to a second-hand dress shop by a housekeeper of the nearby Mynde Park estate in Herefordshire, which was home to Diana's close friend Caroline Twiston-Davies.
The stunning designer piece was then spotted by an unnamed shop assistant in 1994 while working part-time in the shop.
Auctioneer Kerry Taylor said there remains a huge market for anything relating to Diana.
She said: 'The owner paid ?200 for the dress. She knew it belonged to Diana but didn't realise its importance until several years later.
'She watched a documentary on the Princess that showed her wearing the dress and she realised it was the one sitting in a box in her wardrobe, unworn, in all that time.
Also in the same sale is one of Diana's blazers which was also donated to the same shop.
The 1980s Chelsea Design Company jacket has lightly padded shoulders with low-set gilt buttons.
The blue piece is expected to collect up to ?3,500, although has suffered damage thought to be from moths.
Mrs Taylor added: 'The blazer, which is moth and mouse attacked, will probably attract even more people as it is more affordable, though less important.'
I think this news is quite something. Diana has been dead for over twenty one years now, and yet people still want to see her clothing from the 1980s and '90s and own it. The magic is still there!
Quote from: TLLK on November 30, 2018, 12:17:46 AM
This is not my favorite of her evening wear. It borders on a costume.
What do you mean it borders on a costume?
Princess Diana dress found in secondhand shop sells for ?155,000 - ITV News (https://www.itv.com/news/2018-12-10/diana-dress-found-in-secondhand-shop-sells-for-155-000/)
That's a very good profit for the original purchaser, and shows that Diana still has the power to attract some serious buyers. I think it's great!
Better late than never! Comment from my friend online on the last dress to be linked here, (where Diana wore the pearls.)
Hmmm, interesting choice, to me it seems like it's trying to be two dresses in one. The top half seems like her sleeker ones that usually have just one shoulder, but the bottom half is more like the "pouffier" more formal, romantic dresses of earlier years. Also I find the pearl choker is "too much" and kind of overwhelms the dress.
The color is fantastic on her, and shows her shoulders off well, the angle of the photo is tough to really get a good look at it. I think it'd like it more if it sort of "picked a lane" and went one of those two ways mentioned. I think if the skirt part started higher up at her waist, id like it more, unless they wanted to go full on sleek, huntress style which she wore many times to great success.
Might be just me, but i'd have liked the 3 strand pearl choker she got on her 18th bday more with the dress, but im usually always a less is more with her and jewels.
I'm putting this here though the new Dior exhibition mentioned in the article refers to other royals and other dresses besides Diana's famous slip dress. There is for example the dream of a dress worn for Princess Margaret's 21st birthday ball. Dior of course dressed many royals and high society figures in his time.
New exhibition celebrates how Dior dazzled high society | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6650829/New-exhibition-celebrates-Dior-dazzled-high-society.html)
OMG PM's dress is absolutely amazing. The skirt is incredible. An excellent choice for the the V & A exhibit and I have no doubt that it will be a big draw. Not as big of a fan for Diana's dress as I'm not really keen on slip dresses, but it was a beautiful shade of blue.
Quote from: TLLK on February 02, 2019, 02:22:31 PM
OMG PM's dress is absolutely amazing. The skirt is incredible. An excellent choice for the the V & A exhibit and I have no doubt that it will be a big draw. Not as big of a fan for Diana's dress as I'm not really keen on slip dresses, but it was a beautiful shade of blue.
It looks too much like a real slip, just doesn't look right as outerwear.... Margo's - I like the skirt
Just seen this and I have wondered about it since both of Diana's sons are now married. What has happened to most of Diana's bling? Is it to neither of her daughter in laws' taste? Did most go back into the Royal vaults, did it get dispersed in some other way after 1997? Where is it?
Princess Diana: Where is her missing royal jewellery? (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/the-multimilliondollar-mystery-of-princess-dianas-missing-jewels/news-story/708ed176862fc17f9287a938794b5b37)
I think that most if it is not to the younger women's taste and also not really suitable for Modern royal style. There are less jewel wearing events now, so possibly the jewels will stay in a vault and only be occasionaly worn by the future queens...
Such a shame. Jewels are meant to be worn. I think Kate is now approaching middle age and can possibly carry off some of the heavier pieces.
I don't think she can. Camilla is no looker but I think she can do it better. I think that if Kate is to wear some more of Di's big glamourous jewels, she should have tehm re set. Meghan doesn't appear to wear jewels much anyway..
Chevron (https://www.vogue.fr/fashion-culture/article/3-fashion-exhibitions-to-see-in-london)
QuoteDiana: Her fashion story
Diana: Her fashion story is the magnetic exhibition pulling people from every corner of the globe to Kensington Palace to discover Princess Diana?s wardrobe, with her most emblematic looks on display. From the navy-blue velvet dress by Victor Edelstein that she wore to the White House in 1986 when she did the twist with John Travolta, to the ruffled white satin blouse that she wore as she took her vows with Prince Charles in 1981: they are the pieces that gave Princess Diana her signature elegance which marked her in history as a fashion icon. The exhibition at Kensington Palace pays to homage to her, as well as shining light on the fashion houses and designers that played a part in forging her legendary style, such as Dior and Catherine Walker.
Quote from: TLLK on February 15, 2019, 03:41:13 PM
Chevron (https://www.vogue.fr/fashion-culture/article/3-fashion-exhibitions-to-see-in-london)
Is it on at present? I went to an exhibition in KP years ago, and her dresses looked pretty but SOOO narrow, I remember thinking how thin she must have been to wear them
Kensington Palace set to unveil new display of Princess Diana's evening gown | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6708561/Kensington-Palace-set-unveil-new-display-Princess-Dianas-evening-gown.html)
Princess Diana's iconic 'Travolta' dress is on sale for ?350,000 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7694683/Princess-Dianas-iconic-Travolta-dress-sale-350-000.html)
In USA $450,000 and in U.K. pound is ?350,000-?420,000
Sales takes places on December 9
Again? I thought it was sold last time only about a year ago. Too many of her gowns are in private hands unfortunately, when they should IMO be in museums.
Quote from: Curryong on November 17, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
Again? I thought it was sold last time only about a year ago. Too many of her gowns are in private hands unfortunately, when they should IMO be in museums.
If done for charity it isn?t so bad, but private ownership does put the condition of the dress in possible danger. That dress fit her so beautifully and was a perfect color.
Was she looted when she passed away? I know about some items that Burrell took, but dresses too?
this dress was sold at christies auction when diana was alive
Yes
@dianab. I believe that William suggested to Diana that she auction off some of her best known evening gowns for charity when she realized that she wasn't going to wear them again.
This link has a listing of the dresses that were auctioned years ago.
thedianadresses (http://www.everythingroyal.com/thedianadresses.html)
Some of those gowns sold in 1997 have since been re-sold. One person was in a documentary and had purchased several of the gowns that she purchased at the 1997 auction and kept them in her home on display. Her brother displayed her gowns (not sold at auction) that were in her estate, at Althorp and on tour, before he turned the estate over to william and Harry. Some others were displayed at Kensington Palace.
@sandy-It would be nice to have a complete update on which gowns were still with those who originally purchased them and the whereabouts of the others.
Most were gaudy and tacky. Sign of the times. :orchid:
I don't think that the British fashion industry in the later 1980s and 1990s who were admiring of Diana as the fashion icon of those decades and lauded the Princess for singlehandedly boosting their industry would agree with your assessment at all, actually.
But presumably the fashion industry promulgated the "OTT" glittery look.. which now often looks tacky and overblown..
Well, I don't think that Diana often looked tacky and/or overblown, and certainly not in the iconic Travolta dress. Nor presumably do the people who still buy her clothing more than 20 years after her death, at high prices, or who go to see exhibitions of her dresses and gowns.
Diana changed with the times fashion wise. She started with more fussy frou frou outfits and then changed her style Her outfits are still getting top dollar at auctions.
Quote from: Curryong on November 24, 2019, 11:48:28 AM
Well, I don't think that Diana often looked tacky and/or overblown, and certainly not in the iconic Travolta dress. Nor presumably do the people who still buy her clothing more than 20 years after her death, at high prices, or who go to see exhibitions of her dresses and gowns.
She's famous.. and part of what she was famous for was her clothes.. so of course peple will go to see her dresses or want to buy them. but my point was that if 80s style now looks OTT, the fashion industry was the one that promuglated that sort of look.... so of course they were pleased when Dianas fame sold these sorts of dresses
I vaguely recall one of the buyers wearing a dress of Diana's. In a documentary. It seems though that most are displayed in people's homes and the owners do not generally wear the dresses and gowns themselves. I will look and see if Youtube has the documentary, I saw it on a cable channel a few years ago. I recall the woman was from the South in the US, who wore the gown. I found this:
Sacred Relics? PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxqibVCuc8o)
Quote from: sandy on November 24, 2019, 11:55:40 PM
I vaguely recall one of the buyers wearing a dress of Diana's. In a documentary. It seems though that most are displayed in people's homes and the owners do not generally wear the dresses and gowns themselves. I will look and see if Youtube has the documentary, I saw it on a cable channel a few years ago. I recall the woman was from the South in the US, who wore the gown. I found this:
Sacred Relics? PRINCESS DIANA'S DRESSES - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxqibVCuc8o)
A fascinating documentary; even the ending is special.
Evening gown Princess Diana wore to dance with John Travolta FAILS to sell at auction | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7773409/Evening-gown-Princess-Diana-wore-dance-John-Travolta-FAILS-sell-auction.html)
QuotePrincess Diana's dresses that did sell today were a Katherine Cusack midnight blue velvet evening gown, which went for a hammer price of ?48,000 and a short navy Catherine Walker day outfit, which went for ?28,000.
At least two of outfits that were up for auction did sell but the most famous one did not.
Princess Diana's John Travolta Dress Fails to Sell at Auction | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/princess-dianas-famous-john-travolta-dress-fails-to-sell-at-auction/)
They probably had the reserve price too high.
Gown that Princess Diana wore to dance with John Travolta at the White House sells for ?264,000 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7778235/Gown-Princess-Diana-wore-dance-John-Travolta-White-House-sells-264-000.html)
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Great news for royal dress fans: The iconic 'John Travolta' dress that Princess Diana wore when she danced at the White House is going back to the palace. It has been bought by @HRP_palaces @HRP_PressOffice and will be used in future exhibits
This is good news and I'm pleased to see that HRP will be able to use in a future exhibit.
terrific news
Quote from: wannable on December 11, 2019, 01:39:50 PM
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Great news for royal dress fans: The iconic 'John Travolta' dress that Princess Diana wore when she danced at the White House is going back to the palace. It has been bought by @HRP_palaces @HRP_PressOffice and will be used in future exhibits
Great News!
It is indeed. Hopefully one or more of the important dresses will be added to the collection. I saw a documentary about the dresses, and many of them are in very safe hands, treasured and cared for. It must be very expensive to provide that kind of care!
April Sparkle: Diana?s Diamonds ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/april-sparkle-dianas-diamonds-140145/)
QuoteDiana, Princess of Wales was the first wife of Prince Charles and the mother of Prince William and Prince Harry. During her lifetime, the Princess had an extensive jewellery collection. Both of jewels she owned as a member of the British Royal Family and as a private individual.
The jewels range from presents from foreign royalty, jewels on loan from Her Majesty, wedding presents, jewels purchased by Diana herself, and heirlooms belonging to the Spencer family. The jewels are separate from the coronation and state regalia of the Crown Jewels.
I especially like the Eleven-strand pearl choker. It seems like a grand work of art to wear when a lady attends the theatre. :mask1:
@LouisFerdinand - It's one of my favorites too and I'd forgotten that Diana had this piece. It's exquisite.
A thread for fashion. Please post all articles and discussion about her fashion here. Please avoid making new threads for fashion. Thank you.
Princess Diana wore polka dot dresses.
Pin on SS21 H?RA (http://www.pinterest.com/pin/701998660671715130)
Yes, I read those articles before I posted, TLK. However, sorry but I really don?t regard an aquamarine ring, plain gold bracelet and a pair of costume jewellery-like small butterfly earrings (with stones that nobody can really identify as sapphires and diamonds) as equivalent to a whopping sapphire and diamond engagement ring worth many hundreds of thousands of pounds, pearl bracelets and valuable diamond and sapphire earrings worn by Kate, as equivalent.
Even in the articles you?ve linked the differences between what Kate received and that given to Meghan is notable. Just look at the Tatler article on the pearl earrings alone! Who owns the emeralds (necklace and bracelet) that Diana was given by the Saudi Royals as a wedding gift? Not Meghan, quite obviously, or she would have been seen in public wearing them.
Yes, Meghan does wear minimalist jewellery. So did Kate at one stage. However one daughter in law is going on to the vaults of the Royal Collection while the other is being left with the scrapings of a personal collection from Harry?s mother that ought to have been distributed equably and quite obviously wasn?t.
Seems like future Princesses of Wales get more. Probably Sara Ferguson suffered the same situation.
What do you mean? We were discussing the personal jewellery left by Diana when she died. The jewellery was, by the terms of her will, to be divided between her two sons. She didn?t specify that one son get more for his future wife than the other owing to rank, and her wishes were written down and known. The jewellery was supposedly divided when Harry reached the age of 30.
Fergie has nothing to do with it. Her mother in law isn?t dead, nor was her personal jewellery divided between her children. Her situation is/was nothing like Meghan?s.
Quote from: Curryong on September 09, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
Yes, I read those articles before I posted, TLK. However, sorry but I really don?t regard an aquamarine ring, plain gold bracelet and a pair of costume jewellery-like small butterfly earrings (with stones that nobody can really identify as sapphires and diamonds) as equivalent to a whopping sapphire and diamond engagement ring worth many hundreds of thousands of pounds, pearl bracelets and valuable diamond and sapphire earrings worn by Kate, as equivalent.
Even in the articles you?ve linked the differences between what Kate received and that given to Meghan is notable. Just look at the Tatler article on the pearl earrings alone! Who owns the emeralds (necklace and bracelet) that Diana was given by the Saudi Royals as a wedding gift? Not Meghan, quite obviously, or she would have been seen in public wearing them.
Yes, Meghan does wear minimalist jewellery. So did Kate at one stage. However one daughter in law is going on to the vaults of the Royal Collection while the other is being left with the scrapings of a personal collection from Harry?s mother that ought to have been distributed equably and quite obviously wasn?t.
That was Meghan's choice when she decided to leave the royal family, what was she suppose to do, go take the jewels that she wanted in her private life? NO one knows for sure where all the jewels that Diana had are at this moment, they could be with HM in the royal vault, in the possession of William or even her brother, we just do NOT know for sure.
Quote from: Curryong on September 09, 2021, 12:32:30 AM
Yes, I read those articles before I posted, TLK. However, sorry but I really don?t regard an aquamarine ring, plain gold bracelet and a pair of costume jewellery-like small butterfly earrings (with stones that nobody can really identify as sapphires and diamonds) as equivalent to a whopping sapphire and diamond engagement ring worth many hundreds of thousands of pounds, pearl bracelets and valuable diamond and sapphire earrings worn by Kate, as equivalent.
Even in the articles you?ve linked the differences between what Kate received and that given to Meghan is notable. Just look at the Tatler article on the pearl earrings alone! Who owns the emeralds (necklace and bracelet) that Diana was given by the Saudi Royals as a wedding gift? Not Meghan, quite obviously, or she would have been seen in public wearing them.
Yes, Meghan does wear minimalist jewellery. So did Kate at one stage. However one daughter in law is going on to the vaults of the Royal Collection while the other is being left with the scrapings of a personal collection from Harry?s mother that ought to have been distributed equably and quite obviously wasn?t.
No idea as to what has happened with Diana's emeralds. As far as I know, they have not been seen in decades. As they were her personal pieces, she could have chosen to quietly sell them once she decided that she would no longer have need of them.
Nightowl, These were Diana?s PERSONAL pieces of jewellery which were given to her in a private capacity or bought by her completely separate from her life as Princess of Wales after her separation. The amethyst ring was certainly bought after that time.
Diana wrote a codicil in her will as to how they were to be disposed of, they were to go to her boys for the use of their wives, so Earl Spencer wouldn?t have them in his possession and they certainly wouldn?t be in the Queen?s vaults as they were separate to her existence as a royal.
If William kept them then that is completely contrary to his mother?s wishes, and anyway it is believed that the division occurred when Harry reached thirty. That was the year Diana?s wedding dress and furniture were returned from Althorp by Earl Spencer and Harry received the entirety of his mother?s money. Before Meghan.
Meghan would have received what Harry had of his mother?s jewellery on her marriage to him. As such she is entitled as his wife to take the private jewellery Harry inherited from his mother with her wherever she and Harry settled down, France, NZ, California, Berlin or Timbuktu.
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Emerald and diamond ring Edit
While at a ball held at the Southern Cross Hotel in Melbourne (1985), Princess Diana was wearing what looks to be an emerald cabochon and diamond ring instead of her engagement ring. The two stones are not aligned but are at an angle to one another, very similar to a style of a bypass ring. She also wore this ring on 11 November 1993 while attending a state banquet hosted by The Yang Di-pertuan Agong of Malaysia at The Dorchester Hotel in London.[6][page needed][2][page needed][1]
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Diamond and emerald drop earrings Edit
The Princess had only 2 pieces of emerald jewellery in her collection, an emerald and diamond bracelet given to her as a wedding gift from her new husband Prince Charles and a pair a diamond and emerald drop earrings which had also been given to the Princess from Charles; this time as a gift for her 22nd birthday.[75] The earrings, consisting of pear-shaped emerald stones suspended on a diamond drop chain (set in platinum). The modern-style earrings dated from the Twenties, and were made to match the Delhi Durbar Parure, a suite of Cambridge emeralds originally owned by Queen Mary.[1][2][page needed]
Above From Wiki.
Diana presumably kept the birthday gift emerald earrings at least, after her divorce. You don?t usually take birthday gifts back even as an ex husband.
Quote from: TLLK on September 09, 2021, 05:24:06 AM
No idea as to what has happened with Diana's emeralds. As far as I know, they have not been seen in decades. As they were her personal pieces, she could have chosen to quietly sell them once she decided that she would no longer have need of them.
I think Diana didn't really like emeralds so possibley she sold them when she stopped being a working princess...
Quote from: Curryong on September 09, 2021, 06:22:00 AM
Nightowl, These were Diana?s PERSONAL pieces of jewellery which were given to her in a private capacity or bought by her completely separate from her life as Princess of Wales after her separation. The amethyst ring was certainly bought after that time.
Diana wrote a codicil in her will as to how they were to be disposed of, they were to go to her boys for the use of their wives, so Earl Spencer wouldn?t have them in his possession and they certainly wouldn?t be in the Queen?s vaults as they were separate to her existence as a royal.
If William kept them then that is completely contrary to his mother?s wishes, and anyway it is believed that the division occurred when Harry reached thirty. That was the year Diana?s wedding dress and furniture were returned from Althorp by Earl Spencer and Harry received the entirety of his mother?s money. Before Meghan.
Meghan would have received what Harry had of his mother?s jewellery on her marriage to him. As such she is entitled as his wife to take the private jewellery Harry inherited from his mother with her wherever she and Harry settled down, France, NZ, California, Berlin or Timbuktu.
Then one can presume that Harry and Meghan have their "half" of the jewellery. I can't really imagine that William would take it, if it was Diana's wish that the jewellery was split equally. I'd imagine that they divided it up fairly between them in terms of value....
I thought I read somewhere William could make changes to Diana's will when he turned 30. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Reposting these articles in the Diana thread...great pictures included.
All Kate Middleton And Meghan Markle's Jewellery Inherited From Princess Diana | Marie Claire Australia (https://www.marieclaire.com.au/kate-middleton-meghan-markle-diana-jewellery)
When Royals Wore Princess Diana's Jewellery Collection | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/gallery/every-time-the-royals-have-worn-princess-dianas-jewellery)
The articlea shows Meghan wearing Diana's pieces in public (butterfly earrings, gold bracelet, aquamarine ring.) Note: some of the pieces shown in the article were not Diana's personal possessions ie Lovers Knot Tiara, Spencer Tiara, Four strand pearl necklace. Meghan also has Diana's Cartier watch.
William inherited his portion of the money and possessions from Diana when he reached thirty, as did Harry when he reached that age. The executors of the will included her mother, who distributed items left to her daughter?s godchildren. Several of those legacies were changed for reasons unknown. However, neither William nor anybody else would be able to change the details of a verified codicil to a will without a court case proceeding. Diana?s mother and sister did go to court secretly to change some aspects of the will, however not the money or possessions left to her sons.
The Secret Changes to Princess Diana's Will | Reader's Digest (https://www.rd.com/article/secret-changes-to-princess-dianas-will/)
Quote from: TLLK on September 09, 2021, 01:41:33 PM
Reposting these articles in the Diana thread...great pictures included.
All Kate Middleton And Meghan Markle's Jewellery Inherited From Princess Diana | Marie Claire Australia (https://www.marieclaire.com.au/kate-middleton-meghan-markle-diana-jewellery)
When Royals Wore Princess Diana's Jewellery Collection | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/gallery/every-time-the-royals-have-worn-princess-dianas-jewellery)
The articlea shows Meghan wearing Diana's pieces in public (butterfly earrings, gold bracelet, aquamarine ring.) Note: some of the pieces shown in the article were not Diana's personal possessions ie Lovers Knot Tiara, Spencer Tiara, Four strand pearl necklace. Meghan also has Diana's Cartier watch.
Yes, and the same items recur in every article. Butterfly earrings, Cartier watch, gold bracelet and aquamarine ring do not equal several pairs of diamond and sapphire and pearl and diamond earrings featured as worn by Kate, nor two pearl (and diamond) bracelets, plus a hugely valuable sapphire and diamond engagement ring. They just don?t. I haven?t ever counted in items like tiaras etc that I know are from the Royal Collection, in these posts.
Quote from: Curryong on September 08, 2021, 08:44:58 PM
Diana loved sapphires and diamonds and had a large cache, most of the pieces returned to the Royal Collection following her divorce.
However, of her private collection I do find it very very strange that, though Diana?s private jewellery was supposed to be divided equably between her sons, the only pieces of any great value that I have ever seen Meghan wear has been an aquamarine cocktail ring.
No diamond and sapphire earrings or large sapphire engagement ring for her, apparently. Where are the equivalent pieces? If Harry had any jewellery of any great value given to him, one would have thought his wife would have been seen wearing them, but no. Not divided equally at all, perhaps.
Wait, we *do not know for sure * what either of Diana's children got in the way of jewelry do we? There has Never been a published report that either chose from their mother's jewelry collection. And there is No monetary value that says they have to have been divided equally pound for pound between them. From what I have read about Diana's jewels, they boys got their choice to take what they wanted, and the pieces from the Royal Collection went back to the Royal Collection.....so if there are pieces still not seen to this day that is on both William and Harry as we don't know what jewels went to whom.....just because we don't see them on either Catherine nor Meghan does not mean they don't have them. And just where would Meghan today wear all those fancy jewels? She is no longer a working member of the royal family and doesn't want to be, so they would most likely be sitting in a safe or vault if she had any and the same goes for any woman who has fancy jewels and no place to wear them.
So no-one except royals ever has any occasions on which to wear ?fancy jewels?? That?s strange, because over the years I?ve seen plenty of people, celebrities and otherwise, wear a great deal of jewellery at premieres, award ceremonies and various wedding celebrations, balls and other events.
We haven?t seen too many of these occasions due to Covid in the past few years, but there were certainly jewels on display at the two day celebrations of Lady Kitty Spencer?s wedding. People in Hollywood, Manhattan, and the smarter parts of London, Paris, Rome etc may not wear tiaras but jewellers there would be extremely surprised to learn that they might as well shut up shop because there is no market for expensive necklaces, earrings, bracelets etc!
Plus, many members of the Royal Family have few occasions nowadays on which to wear their ?fancy jewellery?. With the exception of State Visits which are rare occasions, the only time one sees it regularly nowadays are things like the Diplomatic Corps gathering in November, the occasional Commonwealth photo op after the Heads of Govt meeting (and that?s only the Monarch and Consort) and the Opening of Parliament (same thing) with an occasional appearance by the heir and wife.
At the most that comprises three or four times a year. And the Queen has even given up wearing her robes there recently as well. It?s not like even forty years ago when royals wore gowns, tiaras and jewels to ballet premieres etc. Yes there are premieres and other occasions each year in which such jewellery is worn but that is about three or four times at most.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on September 09, 2021, 01:22:47 PM
I thought I read somewhere William could make changes to Diana's will when he turned 30. Maybe that has something to do with it.
How does someone change a *will* after it has been executed and set in place? Time has passed when William reached 30, so not sure he or anyone else can just change a will to suit himself. If he could do that then I think most people around the world would change their families *wills* to suit themselves. What havoc that would bring to the families and courts of law.........LOL
I'm not sure and maybe I'm completely off base but I thought I read somewhere William could alter Diana's estate when he turned 30.
Quote from: Curryong on September 09, 2021, 02:01:04 PM
Yes, and the same items recur in every article. Butterfly earrings, Cartier watch, gold bracelet and aquamarine ring do not equal several pairs of diamond and sapphire and pearl and diamond earrings featured as worn by Kate, nor two pearl (and diamond) bracelets, plus a hugely valuable sapphire and diamond engagement ring. They just don?t. I haven?t ever counted in items like tiaras etc that I know are from the Royal Collection, in these posts.
Why is the monetary value so important? Did the *will* say that each had to have the same amount of value in each piece of jewelry and that the boys had to just have an *equal* share of jewels? Should William pay Harry money for it seems like Harry got the less share of jewels compared to William because Meghan is only seen wearing minimal pieces of Diana's jewelry.
I would like to think that William discussed with Harry that their mother's engagement ring was meant for the next future queen consort as Diana never got that in her life. And with Catherine going to be at future queen consort wearing that engagement ring just might in their minds bring Diana closer to that position.
And I am only talking about Diana's Personal Jewelry. The boys split it I would like to think, William will be king someday and had Catherine in his life, Harry was a single gut at the time........so maybe things worked out the way they wanted at *that time*, today is a very different time.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on September 10, 2021, 02:56:44 AM
I'm not sure and maybe I'm completely off base but I thought I read somewhere William could alter Diana's estate when he turned 30.
Cant see how that would be legally possible. He wasn't an executor..
The will left Dianas property to be divided between her sons.. so one would assume that the jewellery like her money was to go in equal shares to the 2 boys. so they would presumably have them valued and divided up equally. Possibly if William has gotten the bigger pieces he has compensated Harry with money... I can't see how else it could be divided fairly.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 10, 2021, 02:57:44 AM
Why is the monetary value so important? Did the *will* say that each had to have the same amount of value in each piece of jewelry and that the boys had to just have an *equal* share of jewels? Should William pay Harry money for it seems like Harry got the less share of jewels compared to William because Meghan is only seen wearing minimal pieces of Diana's jewelry.
I would like to think that William discussed with Harry that their mother's engagement ring was meant for the next future queen consort as Diana never got that in her life. And with Catherine going to be at future queen consort wearing that engagement ring just might in their minds bring Diana closer to that position.
And I am only talking about Diana's Personal Jewelry. The boys split it I would like to think, William will be king someday and had Catherine in his life, Harry was a single gut at the time........so maybe things worked out the way they wanted at *that time*, today is a very different time.
When the boys first went to KP to select a personal memento from Diana's personal jewelry collection after her death, I believe that monetary value was not at the forefront of their minds. I believe that they selected the engagement ring and the watch because these were familiar pieces that they'd seen her wear for much of their lifetimes. It's a possibility that at some point the remaining ones were appraised for their value at a later date though to insure them and to keep them protected. I wouldn't be surprised if everything remained at BP in the vaults until "needed." After that only the brothers, their wives and the court jeweler would truly know who has inherited what pieces and what has become of the rest. I wouldn't be surprised if Catherine and Meghan only have a few items that would be worn more frequently for daytime/evening events in their personal jewelry boxes. In addition to their engagement rings, I suspect for Catherine it's the sapphire earrings and for Meghan the Cartier Tank watch. It's possible that other items ie: Collingwood pearl earrings, South Sea Pearl earrings (interchangeable) aquamarine ring and others more suited to formal daytime/evening/gala events likely live in the vaults with the intention that both would have access when needed.
I think that Meghan has all her pieces of jewellery from Diana?s collection with her in California. I don?t believe that she left anything in the vaults to be ?looked after? for her by BP or ?custodian? Angela Kelly. Meghan and Harry are perfectly capable of hiring a safety deposit box or the equivalent at a bank near their home, and keeping any precious or valuable objects there. Meghan also has a Cartier. Watch of her own, bought years ago, that she has worn frequently.
Then presumably she and H have their share of the jewellery...
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 10, 2021, 03:24:05 PM
Then presumably she and H have their share of the jewellery...
Meghan I would say has the share that Harry received. What that was we don?t know. All we?ve got to go on is what we?ve seen her wear, which, with the exception of the aquamarine ring and the Cartier watch, doesn?t appear to be very much that is of great monetary value. We can?t judge what we haven?t seen. Perhaps one day there will be an accurate account written of the division of Diana?s personal jewellery.
Quote from: Curryong on September 10, 2021, 02:16:50 PM
I think that Meghan has all her pieces of jewellery from Diana?s collection with her in California. I don?t believe that she left anything in the vaults to be ?looked after? for her by BP or ?custodian? Angela Kelly. Meghan and Harry are perfectly capable of hiring a safety deposit box or the equivalent at a bank near their home, and keeping any precious or valuable objects there. Meghan also has a Cartier. Watch of her own, bought years ago, that she has worn frequently.
I definitely agree that the casual pieces that Meghan has in her possession are likely with her in CA, but if some of the items require more care than CA jewelers are accustomed to working with (ie if the emeralds from Charles, the Saudi suite if it remained in Diana's possession) then it would make sense to me for them to be in a safe location with professionals who have experience.
I tend to believe that the royal ladies keep these items in BP's secure vaults rather than in their own homes.
Yes it's The Sun but the estimated value in pounds that might be fetched from auction in this article from Oct. 2020 on the items that Meghan likely has in her possession is substantial especially due to their connection with Diana. Of course this is all an estimate but the items definitely have value today.
Aquamarine ring- 100,000
Cartier watch- 500,000
Sapphire and gold bangle-4,000 - 6,000.
Even the little earrings were estimated to fetch 50,000.
How Meghan Markle is rocking over ?650k worth of Princess Diana?s jewellery from a Cartier watch to that Aquamarine Ring (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/13025041/meghan-markle-princess-diana-jewellery-worth-collection-650-watch-ring/)
Perhaps the appropriate time to wear it will be at an USA Awards show (s), Emmy's is coming soon, the MET Gala and that type of events in the USA.
The BRF are famous the world over for having the best of the best in showcasing extraordinary jewelry; tiaras, earrings, necklace, bracelets State banquets, including cheery or solemn yearly events. IF the couple had stayed as senior working royals, I'm sure Meghan would be seen 2022 post pandemic at the Japanese state banquet.
Yes, TLLK, but Meghan is an ocean plus half a continent away from BP, and as the relations between the Sussexes and the Pooh-Bahs at BP are not good to say the least I really doubt she would want to leave them there.
It?s different for the royals who live in the Home Counties or around London. All they have to do is inform Angela Kelly or someone else when a certain item is needed and it will be arranged. Whereas anything of great value like the emeralds you?ve mentioned would have to be transported thousands of miles to LA, with huge insurance costs added. I am sure that there are large banks in LA that would have experience in guarding very expensive and unique jewellery.
I think the Saudi suite was probably regarded as not part of the personal jewellery by BP and so was returned by Charles to the Royal Collection. It?s always a fine line as to what constitutes a personal gift to a person and what was given by other royal families by virtue of the person?s rank as a royal, and in this case Diana wasn?t present to argue her case.
As another example I actually doubt that Meghan still has the very fine necklet of Pacific black pearls she was given as a gift on the 2018 Oceania tour. I hope she still has them but they may very well have gone to the Royal Collection.
As for estimates of worth in Meghan?s clothing and jewellery the very last person I would trust to do so accurately would be a tabloid journalist from the Sun, Fail etc. Of course the Diana provenance pushes up the value but I know from the years of reading what they stated about the value of Meghan?s possessions everything was inflated about 200%!
Posts about the Duchess of Cambridge at the State Banquet have been moved to the thread on her fashion. Please remember that this is the thread for the late, Diana, Princess of Wales fashion, jewelry and accessories.
Catherine's fashion jewelry, and style all years (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=72330.msg1309575#msg1309575)
Diana at a return dinner for the 1987 State Visit by the King of Morocco. She's wearing the Spencer Tiara, The Queen's Family Order, her diamond necklace with the Prince of Wales pendant and diamond and pearl earrings.
The Prince and Princess of Wales attending a state banquet held by... News Photo - Getty Images (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/the-prince-and-princess-of-wales-attending-a-state-banquet-news-photo/73391410)
Diana always looked spectacular in blue, a favourite colour, and this dress was especially lovely.
Thank you @Curryong. Your post featuring royals looking less than interested inspired me to create a new thread for when royals show their human side. :Jen: :royalsneeze: :windsor1: :wacko: :cry: :fuming: :happy17:
You can find this in the Modern Monarchies forum.Royal Moments
Diana here but in March 1982, pregnant with William and 20 years old, she attended her first State Banquet, for the Sultan of Oman. Diana always looked beautiful and everyone was enchanted with her.
Princess diana state banquet 1982 ? Princess Diana News Blog "All Things Princess Diana" (https://princessdianabookboutique.wordpress.com/tag/princess-diana-state-banquet-1982/)
@Curryong-Thank you for sharing the blog post about Diana at the State Banquet in 1982. She was absolutely blooming in the video footage and glittering in the Spencer tiara and the her sapphire bracelet. I'm having some trouble identifying her earrings though so if anyone knows which pair they were, please let me know.
The Crown's Elizabeth Debicki Wears Princess Diana's Revenge Dress | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/the-crown-princess-diana-revenge-dress/)
The Crown recreates Princess Diana's famous 'revenge dress' moment against Prince Charles - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/crown-recreates-princess-dianas-famous-25396661)
Princess Diana wore Houndstooth.
Looks of Princess Diana that did not make it to The Crown ? PORT'ARTE in 2021 | Princess diana, Cheetah print dress, Fashion (http://www.pinterest.com/pin/370280400620142182)
Princess Diana wore red
Princess Diana! | Imad Abdel-Samad | Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32953505@N03/42419219484)
i have a question about the story of the keepsakes, for the boys. where does this story come from? Is it Paul Burrell or anyone else in Di's household or did the boys make some kind of statement? the story seems to be that soon after D's death the 2 boys were invited to pick some item from Di's jewellery to have and remember her by.. and Harry picked her ring and William her watch. but like I siad, Im curious as to who put the story out there?
Paul Burrell explained why Harry chose her ring during the 2017 Amazon Prime documentary The Diana Story.
"I remember when I held mummy's hand when I was a small boy and that ring always hurt me because it was so big," Harry said according to Burrell.
Harry later passed the ring to his older brother Prince William when he proposed to Kate Middleton in October 2010.
According to Burrell, Harry said to William, "One day that ring will be sat on the throne of England".
Im sure it has been mentioned before 2017. but if you are saying that Burrell put the story out there, frankly i would be very very sceptical about it. I've always been a bit sceptical because of the stuff about Harry having the ring first and then giving it to William, but if it was from the fertile imagination of Burrell, I think i would disbelieve it completely...
its possible that the boys did get keepsakes but i can't quite see them delving into the jewel collection and pikcing out rings etc at the ages of 15 and 13. why not a favourite pen or photographs or even an item of clothing?
I don't really follow Burrell, but I've read and heard (in a scale) more bad things (and behaviour) of him than good. The most bad things summed up in a word was/is fantasist. He made up or exaggerated a lot of stuff surrounding Diana.?!
Maybe when William is old and grey he will tell the story of the ring. Honestly, He is the only person in reference to this question of keepsake I will believe. I can't take any Harry story since Megxit, Oprah, running to Gayle (and at every opportunity to trash talk his fam)
^Thanks for the question, I find it interesting too and now I'm very curious about the ''original'' source! (Hence my William comment of when he's old and grey)
I followed Harry specifically on behalf of a younger relative who was a fan, from the time he was 19. That story of the young Harry picking out Diana?s ring as a memento and William picking the watch was around then. And TRF was discussing it as early as 2004. So that story has been around for a very long time.
The source was Burrell. I think it was around the time after his trial when he was in the US talking on innumerable TV shows and flogging the book that he had written about Diana, that Burrell stated that (and I?m relying on my memory here) he was in charge of packing up Diana?s possessions at the KP apartment shortly after her death and the two boys came in (having been told to pick out a piece of jewellery for themselves to remember Mummy by) and Harry picked her engagement ring because (according to Burrell) he said could remember the feel of it on her hand when she held his hand (possibly it felt too big at times when she had her eating disorder) and William picked the Cartier watch.
I can?t remember what year Burrell?s aborted trial was (I?ll look it up later) but after the Queen suddenly remembered the conversation with him about packing up Diana?s clothing and objects de art etc, and he was cleared he went off to the US for some years, wrote his book about Diana there and filled in a whole lot of detail about her life in that and on US tv while he was living there.
I?ve always said Burrell was and is an obsessive who was probably in love with his employer, lol, and in many ways is a rather pathetic character but there?s no reason to doubt that he remembers every single thing about Diana?s life, her sons, and her death, in microscopic detail including the incident of her sons and her jewellery, which would have occurred when the apartment was being cleared and he was in charge.
Later: the Burrell trial was in 2002. He left royal service and left for the US after that. So what I?ve written above fits in with that. Burrell was a trusted servant who had begun in BP serving the Queen. And the apartment would have been cleared within months in 1997. The internet has no current newspaper reports on that procedure though. Too early.
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 31, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
Im sure it has been mentioned before 2017. but if you are saying that Burrell put the story out there, frankly i would be very very sceptical about it. I've always been a bit sceptical because of the stuff about Harry having the ring first and then giving it to William, but if it was from the fertile imagination of Burrell, I think i would disbelieve it completely...
its possible that the boys did get keepsakes but i can't quite see them delving into the jewel collection and pikcing out rings etc at the ages of 15 and 13. why not a favourite pen or photographs or even an item of clothing?
They did get pens etc. Harry got her wedding dress in Diana?s will. A lot of her furniture from KP and other belongings left at the apartment ended up in Charles Spencer?s care at Althorp until both sons turned thirty.
As for Diana?s jewellery, what the boys chose on the occasion Burrell wrote about wouldn?t have encompassed Diana?s whole collection, which officials from BP would have separated into her private jewellery, pieces she was given as gifts and those she had as Pss of Wales, which went back in the Royal Collection.
What Burrell was talking about, I believe, were the pieces of jewellery she had with her in Paris which he travelled there to collect (by permission of Charles and BP) along with her clothing. They would have included bracelets, rings, watches, necklaces etc. in her private collection and including the Cartier watch and her engagement ring. He bought them back to KP for her boys, though she may well have been buried with her wedding ring and other keepsakes that were put into her coffin by her loved ones.
but it is very far from definite proof that Burrell was in charge of letting them choose keepsakes nor that they chose the watch and ring. Burrell has genuine feelings for Diana in his way but he's a fantasist, he makes up stuff to make it seem like he was much closer to Diana than he really was.. that she saw him as her closest friend and a brother rather than as she probably really did which was a servant she was fond of but ambivalent about.
Harry had the ring in the first place -- as it was said..
From 'The Divided Prince' p.230 by
Christopher Andersen, Vanity Fair
20th Anniversary Issue pp.221-252,
September 2003
"Harry picked out the sapphire-and-diamond engagement ring given by Charles to the blushing "Shy Di" when she was just 19."
As I said in previous posts, this tale has been going on for a very long time. If it is/was untrue it is very peculiar that in all these decades since, no-one from CH, KP or BP has come out and denied it, telling the media the official version, especially in 2010 at the time of William and Catherine?s engagement.
The Divided Prince | Vanity Fair | September 2003 (https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2003/9/the-divided-prince)
I cant see the RF or royal household getting into a dispute with someone like |Burrell over something like a ring. I agree that it seems like the story was out there for a long time but it seems to emanate from Paul B.
The RF bent over backwards for Paul B at the time of his trial as he knew an awful lot about the murkiness of some things Charles was entangled with. TPTB and royals were plainly terrified of what might come out. Which was why the trial was aborted in such mysterious circumstances.
However, just because Paul was in luurve with his employer in a rather creepy way and was OTT in some things he said about her doesn?t necessarily mean that every word that came out of his lips about the aftermath of Diana?s death was a lie. He was allowed to fly to Paris straight after Diana?s death, for example, rather a strange thing for Palace courtiers to have allowed him to do if he was regarded as just a servant.
I never knew you would have to have permission to fly to Paris, esp when he was still working for Diana at the time of her death. He went with Colin Tebutt who worked for Diana as a driver at times. And he went as a servant, there to help out with bringing clohtes and make up to dress her body...
And if the RF were really afraid of Paul then why would they start an argument with him over who got a ring or whether he was the one who helped the boys with getting a keepsake. I tend to be pretty sceptical of everything he says, because its pretty clear that he has exaggerated his importance to Diana...
Burrell didn?t take any clothes. And he asked Michael Peat for permission to fly to Paris. Peat gave it. This isn?t the thread to go over all the fiasco of the trial and why the RF were terrified, but certainly their actions show that they were.
The story of Harry having the ring and handing it over to William for Kate has been around since at least 2003 and has appeared in thousands of articles and bios of the brothers and their mother. William quite obviously knows about them. If it was all a fairy story by Burrell why didn?t William tell the correct version at the time of the engagement? He had no reason to fear Burrell unlike his father and TMIG. It could be corrected in a couple of sentences. Why is it so hard for you to believe that Harry received his mother?s ring rather than William?
so Paul asked for permisson, presumably seeing himself as a servant who had to do so. I thought that he took a dress for Diana and make up and some ornaments for her to wear, and his role was to prepare her in death.
As for William, do you really think he was going to get into a "he said she said" with Paul Burrell?
it isn't all that important in itself but I have always wondered if they did get those particular keepsakes and i did not know what the origins of the story were. But since it is PB... i'll take the whole thing with a grain or 2 of salt. If Harry got the ring what is this thing about the ring "sitting on the throne of England?" or words ot that effect? unless that was said after Will got the ring.
Yes, that was said several years afterwards.
I believe the Ambassador?s wife offered a black dress with a shawl neckline for Diana to be dressed in for the viewing by her ex husband and sisters. Burrell had expected to dress her in an outfit she had taken with her on the trip but he discovered that Al Fayed had smuggled all Diana?s clothing in her hotel suite back to his estate in England. He sent them on to KP later however. And Diana was professionally made up and coiffured for the viewing but not by Burrell. He was there with her in the room for a while weeping and sobbing, though.
so really Paul had no role other than weeping beside Dis' corpse. I thought from what I've read - some of it from him, that he and Tebbut went there to help out and care for her in death and that he took some clothes and make up and her rosary beads to Paris so that she could be nicely dressed for being viewed by her family... Again, I suspect he was exaggerating what he was doing there in Paris, so that's why i find it easy to believe that he's exaggerated his role in the boys getting keepsakes...
I know the Brit Ambassadors wife gave a cocktail dress for the body but I thought that Paul would bring some favorite gown from home as well.
I seem to remember him also going on about Lucia de Flecha and her visiting Dianas body -
I agree that he genuinely loved Dian in his weird way but it doesn't alter the fact that he has lied and fantasised and used her memory for 20 odd years..
He did take makeup and rosary beads for Diana, and put the beads there for her, but the British Embassy in Paris had taken over arrangements for the care of the corpse before he got there (as Charles was about to appear) as far as her appearance went. Charles saw PB and asked how he was feeling. Paul knew Diana had taken a suitable dress with her to Paris but Al Fyad had quickly snaffled the clothing and flown it out.
why did MAF snaffle Dis' clothes? I felt very sorry for him the oother night when I watched a prog about Di's death, but he is an awful man... still it must be terrible to have lost his son.. no matter how aimless Dodi was.
Princess Diana wearing a Bruce Oldfield dress
Princess Diana, the Princess of Wales, wearing a Bruce Oldfield dress Stock Photo - Alamy (http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-princess-diana-wearing-a-bruce-oldfield-dress-33273690.html)
That photo was from 1985 at a charity do for Dr Bernardo?s homes. Oldfield has recently spoken of how he faced financial ruin after Diana retired from royal life and stopped buying his gowns.
Quote from: Curryong on September 02, 2022, 12:04:09 AM
That photo was from 1985 at a charity do for Dr Bernardo?s homes. Oldfield has recently spoken of how he faced financial ruin after Diana retired from royal life and stopped buying his gowns.
surely if he was a successful designer he wasnt' mainly dependent on Diana buying gowns from him? even if she stopped there were other customers surely? I saw him on a show about her at the weekend and he really had aged.. a bit of a shock. and Diana was still buying clothes, she wore less ballgowns and more casual clothes but Im sure she was still going to designers rather than buying down the High street
Designer Bruce Oldfield reveals how Princess Diana shunned him | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3217071/Bruce-Oldfield-reveals-label-nearly-collapsed-Princess-Diana-stopped-wearing-gowns-30-years-s-dressing-Camilla.html)
Princess Diana Best Shoes
How to fashion learn from Princesses Diana. Princess Diana best shoes matching pictures. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnm6Jb0_7do)
Discussion between Princess Diana and the Emmanuels about her dresses
Discussion between Princess Diana and Emmanuels about her dresses - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZszUW-yOeA)
Here's one of most complete lists I've seen of Diana's jewelry of note (personal/BRF/gifts) that was worn in her lifetime and where the pieces likely went after her death.
Diana Princess of Wales| Emerald and Diamond Choker | Royal Jewels Princess of Wales (https://royal-magazin.de/england/diana-princessofwales/princess-of-wales-diana-spencer-emerald-choker-durbar.htm)
One of Diana's more eclectic jewelry choices is set to be auctioned soon.
Iconic cross pendant worn by Princess Diana at charity ball is set to fetch ?120,000 at auction | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11567895/Iconic-cross-pendant-worn-Princess-Diana-charity-ball-set-fetch-120-000-auction.html)
QuoteA famous necklace worn by Princess Diana is expected to fetch up to ?120,000 at auction. The Attallah Cross, a crucifix pendant by jewellers Garrard ? embossed with gold, silver, amethyst and diamonds ? will lead the Sotheby?s annual Royal & Noble sale, which begins on January 6.
Diana memorably wore it to a charity ball in 1987 with an Elizabethan-style Catherine Walker gown. The piece reflected her lifelong relationship with Garrard, which adapted The Spencer Tiara for her wedding day and from whom she selected her sapphire engagement ring in 1981.
The Attallah Cross was owned by the former boss of Asprey and Garrard, the late Naim Attallah, who would often lend it to Diana to wear at events.
Quote from: Nightowl on January 19, 2023, 07:47:49 AM
Not sure where to put this yet it is about Diana's jewels....I got a new alert today that Kim Kardashian bought Diana's amethyst and diamond cross necklace for 200 grand. Diana it says wore it with her own pearls....sad to see that any of Diana's jewels were sold for I thought both boys would get all of them.
@Nightowl The Amthyst and diamond cross was borrowed rather than her property.
Over the years, she would go on to collaborate with Garrard, borrowing her favourite amethyst and diamond cross on many more occasions, as recalled by Ramsay Attallah, whose father, Naim Attallah, CBE (1931-2021) was joint managing director and eventually group chief executive of Asprey & Garrard. It was under his patronage that Garrard saw continued growth and success, remaining crown jewellers until 2007. As good friends of the Princess, Attallah acquired the cross shortly after her death and it has remained with the family, unworn, ever since. Sotheby?s is proud to present this incredibly rare piece of royal history in the Royal and Noble sale.
https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2023/royal-noble/amethyst-and-diamond-pendant-circa-1920
Quote from: Nightowl on January 19, 2023, 07:47:49 AM
Not sure where to put this yet it is about Diana's jewels....I got a new alert today that Kim Kardashian bought Diana's amethyst and diamond cross necklace for 200 grand. Diana it says wore it with her own pearls....sad to see that any of Diana's jewels were sold for I thought both boys would get all of them.
@Nightowl The Amthyst and diamond cross was borrowed rather than her property.
Over the years, she would go on to collaborate with Garrard, borrowing her favourite amethyst and diamond cross on many more occasions, as recalled by Ramsay Attallah, whose father, Naim Attallah, CBE (1931-2021) was joint managing director and eventually group chief executive of Asprey & Garrard. It was under his patronage that Garrard saw continued growth and success, remaining crown jewellers until 2007. As good friends of the Princess, Attallah acquired the cross shortly after her death and it has remained with the family, unworn, ever since. Sotheby?s is proud to present this incredibly rare piece of royal history in the Royal and Noble sale.
https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2023/royal-noble/amethyst-and-diamond-pendant-circa-1920
^Thank You Wannable for the info on that gorgeous cross, I love amethyst.
You are very welcome :hug:
Kim Kardashian buys ?Princess Diana?s treasured amethyst cross necklace for ?164,000 | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/21103116/kim-kardashian-buys-princess-diana-necklace/)
Kim Kardashian buys Princess Diana's amethyst-and-diamond cross necklace at auction for $200,000 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11650363/Kim-Kardashian-buys-Princess-Dianas-amethyst-diamond-cross-necklace-auction-200-000.html)
Kim Kardashian Buys Famous Princess Diana Cross Pendant for Almost 200K (https://people.com/style/kim-kardashian-buys-diamond-attallah-cross-pendant-worn-by-princess-diana-at-sothebys-auction/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64330628
Kim Kardashian buys pendant worn by Princess Diana at auction | Ents & Arts News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/kim-kardashian-buys-pendant-worn-by-princess-diana-at-auction-12789763)
Kim Kardashian buys Attallah Cross pendant worn by Princess Diana | Diana, Princess of Wales | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/18/kim-kardashian-buys-attallah-cross-pendant-worn-by-princess-diana)
Princess Diana's pendant bought by Kim Kardashian at auction for more than ?160k | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1723220/princess-diana-kim-kardashian-pendant-auction-attallah-cross-sothebys-royal-family-ont)
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/style/story/kim-kardashian-buys-attallah-cross-necklace-worn-princess-96528715
Kim Kardashian Buys Princess Diana's Amethyst and Diamond Cross (https://www.today.com/popculture/news/kim-kardashian-buys-princess-diana-amethyst-diamond-cross-rcna66422)
Kim Kardashian buys amethyst cross pendant worn by Princess Diana at auction - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kim-kardashian-buys-princess-diana-amethyst-cross-pendant-at-auction-naim-attallah-sothebys/)
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-01-21/princess-dianas-favourite-dress-to-be-auctioned-in-the-us
Late Diana,Princess of Wales?s famous dress to auction before she died she took pictures in vanity fair magazine
Princess Diana's Purple Evening Gown Auctioned for More Than $600,000 (https://people.com/royals/princess-diana-iconic-purple-evening-gown-auctioned-for-over-600000/)
The purple evening dress, designed by Victor Edelstein in 1989 and worn several times by Diana during the 1990s, sold at Sotheby's in New York on Friday for $604,800 on Friday ? more than five times its pre-auction estimate.
In deep aubergine silk velvet, the strapless dress with its sweetheart neckline and intricate ruching around the bodice features a tulip-shaped skirt and delicate gold diamante and pearl buttons at the back. It was part of the late royal's charity auction of 79 dresses that collectively raised over $3.25 million for five of her favorite charities in 1997. At the time the dress was sold to a private bidder for $24,150.
What a gorgeous gown, so darn beautiful and the fabric is so soft looking and a rich color. Would love to have about 10 yards of that fabric..that would be a priceless!
Princess Diana wore different types of hats.
princess diana fashion through different types of hats - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHuAXBSbyXk)
Real story behind Princess Diana's revenge dress - after Charles admitted affair with Camilla | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11745901/Real-story-Princess-Dianas-revenge-dress-Charles-admitted-affair-Camilla.html)
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on February 17, 2023, 08:40:38 PM
Princess Diana wore different types of hats.
princess diana fashion through different types of hats - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHuAXBSbyXk)
Yes, I so love hats, and wonder what happened to all Diana's hats and HM's hats for what purpose is it in storing them in boxes to keep for what........???? Sell them or give them away....let some ladies enjoy wearing those hats with pride knowing where they came from. Even Catherine has gorgeous hats, one I want to wear even to the grocery store or just walking my dog.
How three of Princess Diana's dresses were left in a second-hand shop... by Fergie's mum | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11735463/How-three-Princess-Dianas-dresses-left-second-hand-shop-Fergies-mum.html)
QuoteToday, they are kept under wraps, far from photographers? flashbulbs, in temperature-controlled rooms where they form part of a royal clothing archive dating back 500 years.
Yet three of Princess Diana?s iconic dresses were only saved for the nation after they were rescued from a second-hand shop in Hampshire.
Stranger still, they had been taken there by no less a figure than the mother of Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York.
Quote from: Nightowl on April 20, 2023, 02:24:22 AM
Yes, I so love hats, and wonder what happened to all Diana's hats and HM's hats for what purpose is it in storing them in boxes to keep for what........???? Sell them or give them away....let some ladies enjoy wearing those hats with pride knowing where they came from. Even Catherine has gorgeous hats, one I want to wear even to the grocery store or just walking my dog.
Diana didn't wear hats all that much, after the first few years. She dressed in a more modern casual style and only wore hats on special occasiona.
What a strange story! If true then the only explanation I can think of is that Fergie was asked if she would like some of Diana?s things when her flat was being sorted out after her death. Fergie probably realised that Diana?s dresses weren?t likely to fit and so passed them on to her mother, Susan Barrantes, who was tall, thin and elegant.
Did Susan then realise that wearing Diana?s clothes wasn?t the done thing or didn?t suit her and so passed them on to this shop? Very odd, especially when you consider that at that time Paul Burrell had grabbed heaps of his dead employer?s possessions, including clothes and, Mrs Danvers?-like, was keeping them in his home!
Princess Diana's designer dresses expected to sell for ?544,000 at auction in LA | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12038025/Princess-Dianas-designer-dresses-expected-sell-544-000-auction-LA.html)
More on the late Diana, Princess of Wales' former belongings that have been auctioned off over the years.
The items once owned by Princess Diana that came up for auction over the years | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12242119/The-items-owned-Princess-Diana-came-auction-years.html)
Princess Diana?s original ?black sheep? jumper is to go on sale for the first time | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/article/princess-dianas-iconic-sheep-jumper-is-to-be-auctioned-at-sothebys)
QuoteDesigned by Sally Muir and Joanna Osborne for their knitwear label, Warm and Wonderful, the scarlet knit jumper features a playful white sheep pattern ? with a single black sheep standing out from the herd. Diana, Princess of Wales (then Lady Diana Spencer) wore the jumper to watch King Charles (then the Prince of Wales) play polo in June 1981 ? just a month before their romantic royal wedding. At the time, some royal commentators interpreted the ?black sheep? message as a comment on how Diana was feeling about her place within the monarchy.
I like the background song of the video. The title is Dancing Queen.
Princess Diana - Fashion Queen - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbCf4C_G33c)
Princess Diana's Final and Most Risqu? Gowns Sold to U.S. Collector (https://people.com/princess-diana-jacques-azagury-dresses-sold-usa-collector-8401859)
The Princess and the Platypus Foundation - Princess Diana 3D Museum (https://www.theprincessandtheplatypus.org/)
1 day $9.95 plus taxes
One week $19.95 plus taxes
One month $29.95 plus taxes
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/18/11/79080145-12876531-The_black_ballerina_length_velvet_evening_dress_sold_at_Julien_s-a-18_1702898468641.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/18/11/79080139-12876531-A_gown_worn_by_Diana_Princess_of_Wales_in_1985_broke_a_new_fashi-a-14_1702898468632.jpg)
Princess Diana's ballerina-length velvet evening dress sells for $1.1million - setting a new record for one of her dresses sold at auction | Daily (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12876531/Princess-Dianas-ballerina-length-velvet-evening-dress-sells-1-1million-setting-new-record-one-dresses-sold-auction.html)
Princess Diana Dress Sells for Record-Breaking $1.1 Million at Auction (https://people.com/princess-diana-dress-sells-record-breaking-1-million-auction-8417501)
Princess Diana dress sells for record ?900,000 at auction (https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67747824)
Black gown once worn by Princess Diana sells for record-breaking ?904,000 | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/black-gown-once-worn-by-princess-diana-sells-for-record-breaking-904-000-13033711)
Dress worn by Diana sells for record-breaking ?900,000 | Diana, Princess of Wales | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/dress-worn-by-diana-sells-for-record)
Iconic dress worn by Princess Diana smashes fashion record as it sells for massive sum at auction | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/25096267/princess-diana-dress-auction-1million-dollars/)
Princess Diana's star-covered velvet dress sells for record $1.1 million at auction - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/princess-diana-velvet-dress-1-million-auction-record-hollywood/)
Princess Diana?s star-spangled evening dress fetches record $1.148 million at auction | CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/style/princess-diana-dress-auction-scli-intl/index.html)
Late Diana,Princess of Wales wore this dress in 1985 when she married to Prince Charles they NOW King Charles after her divorce in 1996 from King Charles her dress auction at Kensington Palace and Althorp in USA is $1.148million and in UK pounds is ?904,262 designer by Jacques Azagury