Welcome to the Prince Andrew-A New Chapter. This thread can be used to discuss his life now that he's no longer a working member of the BRF. Please keep discussion and postings about his legal issues in the appropriate thread. Thank you.
Legal issues thread for Prince Andrew The Duke of York's Legal Issues Part Two (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=95135.0)
Old video footage of a bearded Prince Andrew from 1985 prior to his marriage to Sarah Ferguson. He's a helicopter pilot on HMS Brazen. However I don't see him taking up flying again as a volunteer like his nephew was for EAA.
Video: Archive footage shows Prince Andrew Duke of York fly helicopters while on active service in the Royal Navy | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/princeandrew/video-2589265/Video-Prince-Andrew-Navy-young-prince-fly-helicopters.html)
If you have any suggestions as to what Andrew might consider doing with his time as he begins his New Chapter in life, share them here.
I can?t see Andrew doing that much with his life from now on, to be honest. After Covid he may travel a bit, play golf a lot, privately invest what money he has left and perhaps play the Stockmarket (following advice) to do so. I can?t see him in any paid position anywhere.
He could do some unsung charity work I suppose as ex minister John Profumo did in the 1960s ?Profumo Affair? that wrecked the Macmillan govt. Profumo redeemed himself by doing that for several decades, but I really can?t see that being Andrew?s cup of tea, and, with the media the way they are now, who would take the chance of employing him in such a position?
He?s likely to be a peripheral royal figure from now on, only seen every now and again at Sandringham and Balmoral at royal family get togethers. He has grandchildren and is likely to have more, so may spend time with them playing grandpa as they grow up..
Quotee could do some unsung charity work I suppose as ex minister John Profumo did in the 1960s ?Profumo Affair? that wrecked the Macmillan govt. Profumo redeemed himself by doing that for several decades, but I really can?t see that being Andrew?s cup of tea, and, with the media the way they are now, who would take the chance of employing him in such a position?
Like you
@Curryong, I doubt that Andrew would be satisfied with unsung charity work, but it might be the only option for him now. It would have to be kept very quiet and he's really limited his options at this point.
The first thing that comes to mind is a way to support veterans from the Falkland War who like Andrew are in their late 50's early 60's and up. No doubt some of them are in need of assistance at this point in their lives.
And the prize goes to
@Curryong for predicting that Prince Andrew will look to rehabilitate his image like John Profumo!.. :bday:
I hope that Prince Andrew has brought his rubber gloves to do the washing up!
Friends insist Prince Andrew is plotting a spectacular 'John Profumo-style' comeback | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10404397/Friends-insist-Prince-Andrew-plotting-spectacular-John-Profumo-style-comeback.html)
Ex-minister Profumo began from the ground up which might not suit Andrew.
QuoteHe started washing dishes at Toynbee Hall, an east London charitable trust, before going on to become the charity?s chairman and, eventually, president.
His work with Toynbee Hall, which helps people facing poverty and injustice, helped to restore his reputation and he was given a CBE in 1975.
I saw this article Sarah Ferguson and Prince Andrew remarriage? Duke told it 'might be most sensible move' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1550292/sarah-ferguson-prince-andrew-remarry-civil-sex-case-lawsuit-royal-family-news) stating that Prince Andrew's best move would be to remarry Fergie. I don't get it, how would that help rebuild his image?
It might happen, TLLK, but I just can?t see Andrew standing over a sink somewhere washing up piles of dirty dishes and tea-stained cups for several years.
Quote from: Curryong on January 15, 2022, 08:25:30 AM
It might happen, TLLK, but I just can?t see Andrew standing over a sink somewhere washing up piles of dirty dishes and tea-stained cups for several years.
To be honest neither can I so he will likely just continue to be seen riding at Windsor for the future.
Palace officials mull ways of axing Andrew and Harry as two of the four Counsellors of State | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10412099/Palace-officials-mull-ways-axing-Andrew-Harry-two-four-Counsellors-State.html)
QuoteAn Act of Parliament would be needed to remove Andrew and Harry, perhaps replacing them with Princess Anne and the Duchess of Cornwall.
?There could be events later this year which make such a change necessary,? says the source, who declined to elaborate further.
The position of Counsellor of State was provided for in 1937 under the terms of the Regency Act.
Prior to 1937, Regency Acts were drafted and passed only in necessity.
As such, there had been nine separate Regency Acts to cover various eventualities since 1728.
Shortly after George VI came to the throne in 1936, a new Regency Act was passed which provided a rule for all future reigns.
It was at this time that the new office of Counsellor of State was created to cover short term absences where a regency would be unnecessary.
QuoteCounsellors of State are authorised to carry out most of the official duties of the Sovereign, for example, attending Privy Council meetings, signing routine documents and receiving the credentials of new ambassadors to the United Kingdom.
The position of Counsellor of State was provided for in 1937 under the terms of the Regency Act.
Prior to 1937, Regency Acts were drafted and passed only in necessity.
As such, there had been nine separate Regency Acts to cover various eventualities since 1728.
Shortly after George VI came to the throne in 1936, a new Regency Act was passed which provided a rule for all future reigns.
It was at this time that the new office of Counsellor of State was created to cover short term absences where a regency would be unnecessary.
Who broke the news to Prince Andrew about his future?
Here's Who Broke The Bad News To Prince Andrew About His Future - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_8zg1h2zoo)
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-01-18/andrew-can-deputise-for-queen-despite-no-royal-patronages-how-it-works
Prince Andrew disappears from social media ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/prince-andrew-disappears-from-social-media-171359/)
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The Duke of York?s official social media accounts have started to disappear.
it?s just a week since a US judge ruled he must face a civil trial over allegations of sexual assault, claims Prince Andrew denies. Within hours of that court decision being made, the prince was removed from all his royal patronages and military appointments, and had to stop using HRH in an official capacity.
Now, Prince Andrew?s Twitter has been removed.
The official account, @TheDukeofYork has gone. Visitors to the profile, where Andrew used to sign off personal tweets with AY, are greeted with a message saying it no longer exists.
Meanwhile, the Duke?s official Instagram, @hrhthedukeofyork, is now a private account. His Facebook page remains online but hasn?t been updated in over two years. A link on there to his official website now takes visitors to a short biography of him on the official Royal Family website.
In the statement announcing that the Duke of York would no longer hold royal patronages, Buckingham Palace said he would defend the civil court case as a ?private citizen?. No further official comment on Prince Andrew has since been made.
Andrew is experiencing the full impact of his actions, perhaps for the first time in his life. I watched an early interview about this situation, and he seemed flip and dismissive about the seriousness of the Epstein situation, probably thinking there would be no consequences.
Camilla Tominey's views on Prince Andrew's new chapter in life.
Why Prince Andrew's Royal career is now officially over - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BwkpkeBIsc)
QuoteWhatever hopes remained of restoring Prince Andrew's reputation have now effectively vanished.
A recent court ruling by a New York judge means the Duke is facing a civil case in the United States over allegations he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre when she was 17. Within 24 hours of that decision, Buckingham Palace issued a statement confirming he would be stripped of all Royal titles and patronages.
By fighting the case as a private individual, the Queen's second son will be protecting the Monarchy on the year of the Platinum Jubilee celebrations.
But even if he is exonerated in any future hearing or in the event of an out-of-court settlement, Prince Andrew is unlikely to return as a working Royal.
More stories are emerging from former staff members who worked for the DoY. A former BP maid was assigned to work for him after his divorce and realized that no one wanted the position due to his behavior. However she found that his brothers Charles and Edward were very easy to work for by contrast.
Prince Andrew's former maid speaks of her time in Buckingham Palace | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10424821/Prince-Andrews-former-maid-speaks-time-Buckingham-Palace.html)
QuoteBy comparison, Ms Briggs said that the Duke's brothers Charles and Edward, as well as other royals she encountered during her time at the palace, were 'wonderful'.
She began working at Buckingham Palace in 1996 when she was 21, but within six months was tasked with being Andrew's maid; a job that 'nobody wanted,' she said.
At the time, Andrew was 36 and had recently divorced from Sarah Ferguson. He would frequently fly off the handle and expected everything to be done for him.
Ms Briggs, from Halifax, broke her silence to The Sun after Prince Andrew was stripped of his military titles amid a sex assault lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre in the United States.
I don?t know whether this is the right thread for this report. However, as news comes in from the UK Parliament with regard to a change of title for Andrew (the MP for York asked a question about the 1917 Deprivation of Titles Act with a view to Andrew no longer being the Duke of York) a school in Novia Scotia Canada is about to be renamed.
Canada high school named after Prince Andrew will rename - CNN (https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/21/americas/canada-prince-andrew-high-school-renamed/index.html)
And a horse race on the course at York will apparently reflect the name of one of Andrew?s predecessors as Duke, not him.
@Curryong This is the appropriate thread to discuss the name changes.
I do wonder if Andrew will lose his position as the Duke of York. He will never return to royal life as it was in the past.
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 23, 2022, 01:40:35 AM
I do wonder if Andrew will lose his position as the Duke of York. He will never return to royal life as it was in the past.
Im sure parliament has other things to do than to take away the peerage.....
It's very likely in the list, individuals and organizations multitask since ages ago. Some items/tasks in a what to do list are quick others take months, years, It doesn't mean that it won't be discussed/voted upon.
IF Parliament doesn't multitask, the UK would be in 'real' shambles. I can't remember the 'word' Parliament uses when an 'urgent' matter has to be fixed, then everything else is put on hold until i.e. Pandemic, Lockdown was agreed and legally mandated announced, emailed to media outlets, the official website, etc., then back to business as usual multitasking.
it has nothing to do wiht multi tasking. Parliament has important stuff to do, taking away a peerage is not that important in the great scheme of things. And I can't see Andrew doing a Profumo, doing quiet charity work... even if He DID, I think that he wouldnt be welcome anywhere in today's culture.
Most of the work done in the Commons doesn?t actually take place within the Commons chamber but in Parliamentary and Party Committees. The majority Party Whips set the weekly agenda, MPs get through as much as possible and the rest is shelved for another day, or year.
Andrew?s peerage would not even be listed as up for discussion imo . Taking away a peerage is complicated by the fact that as things stand at the moment the bill would have to pass the legislature of all the Queen?s realms as well as the UK Parliament. I don?t think there is any will for that in the RF (the Queen especially) or within Parliament. Everyone in those quarters would much rather that the scandal faded away.
As for Andrew washing dirty teacups John Profumo was apparently a deeply religious fellow who felt that serving in that humble fashion to begin with would help both himself and his fellow man. I can?t see Andrew having the same impulses. I just think he will lay fallow for a while then perhaps in his brother?s reign try to serve as a director on a few company boards. IMO that?s the most he can hope for in the next few years.
I thnk it doesnt matter if Andrew was willing to do something like that. IN today's culture it seems that one can never be forgiven for things, and I think if he did take up a volunteer position, he would be forced out of it.
Moderator note-For now any news about the York family being involved in this high court ruling should be placed in this thread.Just when I thought there was an end to the oh so
BULKY DoY's issues, this comes to light.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot? (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-01/duke-of-york-named-in-high-court-ruling-on-case-featuring-turkish-businessman)
QuoteThe Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah have been named in a ruling on a High Court case featuring an elderly Turkish woman and a Turkish businessman based in London.
A judge was told that "substantial sums" had been paid to Andrew and to Sarah, Duchess of York.
Deputy High Court judge David Halpern has named them in a recent ruling on the case, a dispute between Nebahat Isbilen, who is in her 70s, and businessman Selman Turk.
Mrs Isbilen had needed assistance moving her assets out of Turkey after her husband was imprisoned there owing to his "political affiliations", the judge had been told.
Mr Turk, a businessman and former banker, had agreed to help Mrs Isbilen move her assets out of reach of the Turkish authorities.
Mrs Isbilen has alleged that Mr Turk "breached fiduciary obligations he owed to her" and "advances claims in deceit".
Mr Turk is fighting the case.
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Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie have been dragged into a multi-million pound fraud case that has embroiled their father, amid claims they also received money.
The Telegraph can reveal that a ?750,000 payment transferred into the Duke of York's account on the orders of an alleged Turkish fraudster was described to bankers as a wedding gift for his eldest daughter, Princess Beatrice.
Princess Eugenie was also paid ?25,0000 on the orders of Selman Turk, a former Goldman Sachs banker accused of stealing ?40 million from Nebahat Evyap Isbilen, a 77-year-old Turkish millionairess.
The York family have all been named in a High Court battle by Mrs Isbilen to retrieve her missing millions from Mr Turk.
In proceedings revealed by The Telegraph, the Duke is alleged to have received a total of ?1.1 million from Mrs Isbilen's funds, while his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York has received ?225,000
The new revelations are the first time that the princesses have been dragged into allegations of ?suspicious? financial deals surrounding the Duke.
It comes just days after the Duke escorted the Queen at a memorial service for his father, the Duke of Edinburgh, in what was seen as an attempt to begin his rehabilitation following a purported ?12 million payment to settle a case with his sex abuse accuser.
Neither Princess Beatrice nor Princess Eugenie are believed to have had any knowledge of their parents' dealings with Mr Turk, nor knowingly corresponded with him in any way.
The Duchess is understood to be distraught at the thought of her daughters being unwittingly dragged into the case, particularly as a result of their parents' actions.
However, The Telegraph understands that she does not plan to hand back the money she received, because she believes it was paid to her legitimately and that a company she was acting for as a brand ambassador is responsible for any debt.
Mr Turk is accused of taking the money from Mrs Isbilen, who was fleeing political persecution in her homeland and put her trust in him as her financial adviser.
Court documents obtained by The Telegraph show that the first payment to the Yorks, which could have come from Mrs Isbilen?s missing millions, may have been made to the Duchess in August 2019.
A series of payments were made through a third party, Alphabet Capital, limited to the family over the course of the next few months. It is alleged the payments were made from Mrs Isbilen?s funds.
Jonathan Tickner, the head of fraud and commercial disputes at Peters & Peters, representing Mrs Isbilen, has told the court that bank statements obtained by his legal team show that Princess Eugenie was paid ?25,000 over the course of two days.
The first ?10,000 transfer was made on October 9 through the Alphabet account. The next day, a payment of ?15,066.05 was made from Mr Turk?s account to ?EUGENIE YORK? under the reference ?BIRTHDAY GIFT?.
Sources close to the family say the payment of more than ?15,000 listed as a birthday gift to Princess Eugenie made on October 10 2019 was in fact to pay for a surprise birthday party for the Duchess. Princess Eugenie?s birthday is on March 23, whilst the Duchess' is on October 15.
Mrs Isbilen did make a direct payment of ?750,000 to the Duke in November 2019, which she believed was for help obtaining a new Turkish passport after she fled her homeland.
?Mr Turk told me that he received help from the Duke of York to show or send the picture of my old passport to Turkey and that this service would normally be worth ?2 million, but it would cost less if we made the payment by way of a gift,? she told the High Court.
However, when he contacted her bank, Mr Turk told them that this money was in fact for a wedding gift for Princess Beatrice, who had got engaged two months earlier.
The news just doesn?t get any better for Andrew does it, in spite of his escorting of his mother to his father?s memorial service, disgusting all the tabloids, lol. And in this latest scandal it appears that Fergie was, as usual mired eye-deep in the mud. She and Andrew and filthy lucre have a fatal attraction! He seems to have enjoyed a great many corrupt activities over the years.
My heavens, that family do have their dirty laundry
The DoY has repaid the full amount to Mrs. Isbilen. (Which likely means that he's received a loan from his mother.) :notamused:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60961791
QuoteThe Duke and Duchess of York have been named in a court case in which a Turkish millionaire is claiming ?38m has been "dishonestly misappropriated" by a business adviser.
The High Court in London has heard claims that "substantial sums" from Nebehat Isbilen were paid to Prince Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah.
It is understood that ?750,000 has been repaid by the prince to Mrs Isbilen.
The business adviser, Selman Turk, has rejected the allegations.
The complex court case involves claims brought by 77-year-old Mrs Isbilen that her business adviser Mr Turk misused her funds.
Court documents show that among the expenditure and investments being questioned were payments to Prince Andrew and Sarah, the Duchess of York.
According to the court papers, Mrs Isbilen claims Mr Turk advised her to make a "gift" of ?750,000 to Prince Andrew, which it is claimed she was misled into thinking was for assistance with her passport.
This amount was transferred from her account on 15 November 2019.
"The representation that Mrs Isbilen needed to make a gift to the Duke of York in connection with her passport (or for any other purpose) was false," says her legal team in their claim of dishonesty against Mr Turk.
Representatives of Prince Andrew have not commented on the ongoing court case. But it is understood that the prince was not aware of any arrangements between Mrs Isbilen and Mr Turk.
And it is understood that the prince has returned ?750,000 to Mrs Isbilen.
The discovery of payments to Prince Andrew emerged after a court order allowed a search of Mr Turk's financial dealings, as Mrs Isbilen's lawyers tried to establish the whereabouts of her assets.
Court papers show that some of the lost money had been attributed by Mr Turk to professional costs and unsuccessful investments, but there were claims of significant amounts still to be explained.
The High Court had been told Mrs Isbilen needed help moving assets out of Turkey after her husband became a political prisoner, and that Mr Turk was trusted to help.
Jonathan Tickner, Mrs Isbilen's lawyer, said she had been "the victim of serious fraud and financial wrongdoing", and was determined to pursue her claim against all those involved.
Court documents show that Mr Turk has disputed the allegations and disagrees with her understanding of how her assets have been handled.
Mr Turk had also been a winner of an award at the Pitch at the Palace business initiative, headed by Prince Andrew.
He?s going through his inheritance rather quick. And on the stupidest things. What an idiot.
At this rate any inheritance Andrew receives from mummykins when she passes will amount to about ?10 (pounds.) If the stories are true (and they probably are) she subsidised his costly lawyers fees during the Guiffre battle and will probably be helping him out with the settlement.
We all here are *assuming* that HM has paid for all of Andrew's cost to anything anywhere....unless BP or HM herself which will never happen we just do NOT know who paid whom, do we? I hate seeing and will not place blame where there is NO evidence of a crime. I don't like or trust Andrew at all yet until there is actual proof that he took money, or got money from the royal family, I will not believe this and I believe he loves his daughters would never do anything to involve them or hurt them.
From the BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60401663
Royal finances are not always straightforward.
When he was a "working royal," carrying out duties on behalf of the Royal Family, it was suggested that Prince Andrew received about ?250,000 per year, including the cost of running an office.
But that would have ended when he stepped down from official royal duties in 2019, in the wake of his Newsnight interview.
It hasn't been confirmed whether that was replaced by the Queen paying him from her private income.
Prince Andrew also receives an armed forces pension, thought to be about ?20,000 a year.
He lives in the Royal Lodge in Windsor, a Grade II-listed property, but that's leased from the Crown Estate and is not an asset that could be sold.
But some extra funds could come from selling a luxury chalet in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier, which he bought in 2015 for over ?8m with his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York.
It is not known how much the chalet will raise, but a spokeswoman for the prince said that a sale was currently in process, although yet to be completed.?
(Andrew and Fergie had a large mortgage from that purchase which they ultimately could not service. There were legal fees from the ex owner of the chalet suing them for moneys owed. They have managed to get money from somewhere which stopped the suit but the sale to another owner, and the mortgage moneys still aren?t settled.)
His financial affairs, and how he has sustained his lifestyle, has been a long-running story.
In 2007, Prince Andrew sold his Sunninghill Park home for ?15m - ?3m more than the asking price - to Timor Kulibayev, the son-in-law of the then-president of Kazakhstan via an offshore trust in the British Virgin Islands.
The 12-bedroom house near Windsor Castle had been given to Prince Andrew as a wedding present from the Queen in 1986.
Prince Andrew is also reported to have had a ?1.5m personal loan paid off in December 2017. According to Bloomberg News, the money was repaid by a company linked to a wealthy Conservative party donor - although Prince Andrew has never confirmed this.
Sarah, Duchess of York told the Standard in 2012 that she had made a "gigantic error of judgement" in accepting ?15,000 from sex offender Jeffrey Epstein to pay off a debt.
Could the settlement be funded by the Queen or with public money?
"If the figure does turn out to be of the order of ?5m to ?10m, I don't think he has that money. And it's more than likely the Queen will fork out some money," royal finance expert David McClure told the BBC.
There have been suggestions this would be from her private funds, but Buckingham Palace says it won't comment on the financing of Prince Andrew's legal case.?
Andrew has been known to get loans for himself and ex wife from Epstein, shady bankers and eastern oligarchs, etc. in the past. With the money he garnished from these when he was a Trade Ambassador and a person of influence in the RF (which allowed him and Fergie to infer they had powers to help people with passports, access to others etc)now cut off, and no visible means of support, exactly how do you suggest that he is getting the money from this settlement?
And Virginia Guiffre?s court case was settled in her favour, suggesting she had justice on her side.
From the Financial Review.
The Australian Financial Review (https://www.afr.com/world/europe/who-will-pay-for-prince-andrew-s-sex-case-settlement-20220217-p59x5x)
Royal commentator Mr Arbiter (ex Press Sec to the Queen and the POW) said settling is one thing, but coming up with the cash is another.
"All this business of settlement and legal fees is going to drain him completely so he might have to go to the bank of mum for a little bit of a loan, but that remains to be seen," Mr Arbiter said.
International reputational lawyer, Mark Stephens, said the settlement is the best outcome for both of them.
"For Virginia Giuffre, very obviously she wouldn't have to relive the experiences in public have to go through all those details and relive that experience," Mr Stephens said.
"For Andrew, he would have equally been embarrassed by the details of what he did, how well he did it and in what positions and those kinds of gory details would have come into the public domain."
Quote from: Curryong on April 04, 2022, 07:09:52 AM
From the BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60401663
Royal finances are not always straightforward.
When he was a "working royal," carrying out duties on behalf of the Royal Family, it was suggested that Prince Andrew received about ?250,000 per year, including the cost of running an office.
But that would have ended when he stepped down from official royal duties in 2019, in the wake of his Newsnight interview.
It hasn't been confirmed whether that was replaced by the Queen paying him from her private income.
Prince Andrew also receives an armed forces pension, thought to be about ?20,000 a year.
He lives in the Royal Lodge in Windsor, a Grade II-listed property, but that's leased from the Crown Estate and is not an asset that could be sold.
But some extra funds could come from selling a luxury chalet in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier, which he bought in 2015 for over ?8m with his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York.
It is not known how much the chalet will raise, but a spokeswoman for the prince said that a sale was currently in process, although yet to be completed.?
(Andrew and Fergie had a large mortgage from that purchase which they ultimately could not service. There were legal fees from the ex owner of the chalet suing them for moneys owed. They have managed to get money from somewhere which stopped the suit but the sale to another owner, and the mortgage moneys still aren?t settled.)
His financial affairs, and how he has sustained his lifestyle, has been a long-running story.
In 2007, Prince Andrew sold his Sunninghill Park home for ?15m - ?3m more than the asking price - to Timor Kulibayev, the son-in-law of the then-president of Kazakhstan via an offshore trust in the British Virgin Islands.
The 12-bedroom house near Windsor Castle had been given to Prince Andrew as a wedding present from the Queen in 1986.
Prince Andrew is also reported to have had a ?1.5m personal loan paid off in December 2017. According to Bloomberg News, the money was repaid by a company linked to a wealthy Conservative party donor - although Prince Andrew has never confirmed this.
Sarah, Duchess of York told the Standard in 2012 that she had made a "gigantic error of judgement" in accepting ?15,000 from sex offender Jeffrey Epstein to pay off a debt.
Could the settlement be funded by the Queen or with public money?
"If the figure does turn out to be of the order of ?5m to ?10m, I don't think he has that money. And it's more than likely the Queen will fork out some money," royal finance expert David McClure told the BBC.
There have been suggestions this would be from her private funds, but Buckingham Palace says it won't comment on the financing of Prince Andrew's legal case.?
Andrew has been known to get loans for himself and ex wife from Epstein, shady bankers and eastern oligarchs, etc. in the past. With the money he garnished from these when he was a Trade Ambassador and a person of influence in the RF (which allowed him and Fergie to infer they had powers to help people with passports, access to others etc)now cut off, and no visible means of support, exactly how do you suggest that he is getting the money from this settlement?
And Virginia Guiffre?s court case was settled in her favour, suggesting she had justice on her side.
Just because most of what you posted is *suggested* does not make it real or is proof of evidence....what HM does with her money is HER business not ours as the same goes for us. As far as VG......she saw a fat bank account and worked to get and got it..if Andrew had any backbone he should of fought her and questioned every man she slept with as she was not an innocent virgin at all......when she met Andrew....a highly used woman who knew the ropes and did the job required of her as she got paid for that job by Epstein no less.
And I would suggest that logic would point to
(A) Andrew agreed to that settlement and has to pay it. Whatever you think of Virginia Guiffre?s moral character she won that settlement and Andrew has to come up with many millions of pounds as a result. Plus I would point out that a large portion of that money was, by Virginia?s wish, donated to the Foundation she began for victims of sexual abuse.
(B) He no longer has money coming in for performing royal duties. That stopped last year. Even if he saved every cent of the yearly income he gets from Mummy for the past ten years he would not be able to pay the settlement on his own.
(C) People who are swimming in money would be able so service a mortgage from their holiday home. Andrew and Fergie could not. Article after article over the past twenty years has shown this man and his ex wife living up to their income and surviving on loans from some very shady individuals indeed, some of whom were named in the article I linked.
(D) As Andrew is not swimming in money (otherwise he wouldn?t have got into trouble with his mortgage) and only has a private income of a couple of hundred thousand from Mummy a year, how do you suggest that he is going to pay the settlement without help from any of his relatives? No legitimate bank would give him a loan on the income he has now.
(E) It is indeed none of our business if the Queen decides to give her favourite child some millions from her private funds to help him out. Nor is it anybody else?s business what Harry and Meghan paid for their house, how large it is, nor how much Meghan spends on any clothing she buys. Yet some people excuse one example and regard the other as condemnatory.
Prince Andrew should be FORGIVEN following sex abuse scandal, Archbishop of Canterbury declares | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10872099/Prince-Andrew-forgiven-following-sex-abuse-scandal-Archbishop-Canterbury-suggests.html)
Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew wants to ?make amends? | Justin Welby | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/archbishop-of-canterbury-suggests-prince-andrew-wants-to-make-amends)
Prince Andrew 'seeking to make amends' after allegations, says Archbishop of Canterbury | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1618921/prince-andrew-archbishop-of-canterbury-seeking-to-make-amends-royal-family)
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-31/prince-andrew-is-seeing-to-make-amends-archbishop-of-canterbury-tells-itv-news
Prince Andrew should be forgiven over sex scandal, Archbishop of Canterbury suggests - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-prince-andrew-should-forgiven-27113129)
Brits should forgive Prince Andrew for his sex abuse scandal, says Archbishop of Canterbury (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18745941/forgive-prince-andrew-archbishop/)
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61676093
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https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-02/prince-andrew-cancels-jubilee-appearance-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus
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Sorry to hear Andrew has the virus or whatever as I wish no one would get it as it is still a dangerous virus out there even if a person has all the shots needed. Maybe it will give him to to think of what he is missing and most of all WHY, full of self-importance and egos will surely ruin a person's character..
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Queen holds talks with senior Royal family members on how Prince Andrew can move 'away from the public gaze' with one option being to rebuild his life in Scotland
Family meetings have been held to establish what role the Duke could fulfil
The Queen will not reverse her decision to ban Andrew from official duties
Tomorrow The Duke will attend the annual Order of the Garter ceremony
Charles, Anne, Edward and William.
If this meeting really did take place then it should of included all the wives and the husband of Anne as these decisions also affect them in their daily lives. I just have a feeling this is Andrew laying it on his mother really thick, the oh poor me little boy act and wanting his way in everything, if he does go to Scotland the people there can also read about his lifestyle and how it has affected the royal family. I don't think he will be any more welcomed there then in England......people are not dumb and blind so to ship him off somewhere else to make it look like he has changed for the better is not a good idea.
What has Scotland ever done to have Andrew foisted on them semi-permanently? English people and the BRF are none too popular north of the border as it is. This plan, if true, could well cause more than a bit of resentment there.
@Nightowl and
@Curryong like you I don't see the point in Andrew moving to Scotland. And by Scotland that would be Balmoral. Even moving him to Norfolk and having him at Sandringham seems unlikely in the long term. At least at Windsor he is closer to his daughters and their families. The odd photo of him driving or riding isn't a big deal to me.
It's a fact that in Scotland there is less paps, media, random people willing to take videos or cellphone pictures, tweeting and the likes. He'd be able to leave Balmoral estate to roam around. In Windsor, once he's out of the estate he will encounter all of the above.
There are so many A list celebs that go to Scotland and have been able to go i.e. to a PUB no one blinks. Real A listers.
Too late to ETA: Kit Harrington, Sir Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, JK Rowling, Gerard Butler. What's in common? They all live the majority of the year there, they've all said nobody blinks or jumps on them. The culture 'shock' for the rest of the crazy world, but for Scots it's normal to be indifferent to pulling out a smartphone to click click click.
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Not since Prince John
QuotePrince John ? the youngest son of King George V whose epilepsy and possible autism saw him largely confined to a hidden life on the Sandringham estate before his death from a severe seizure at the age of 14.
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Duke of Cambridge is right and he banned disgraceful his own uncle the Duke of York from garter of the order,events and public due investigation of disgraceful Jeffrey Epstein
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Prince Andrew could be stripped of his Duke of York title under proposed law tabled in Parliament
Labour party has requested a committee to grant 'the monarch' a new power to take away a title.
Apparently anytime soon the new law may be official.
That is interesting, cam this really be dome by the Labor Party? Would HM have the courage to actually use that power against her own children?
Quote from: wannable on June 22, 2022, 01:37:59 PM
Prince Andrew could be stripped of his Duke of York title under proposed law tabled in Parliament
Labour party has requested a committee to grant 'the monarch' a new power to take away a title.
Apparently anytime soon the new law may be official.
Erm, the Labour Party is not in power. The Conservatives are. The bill would require bi-partisan support. And even if Labour got in after the next election there will be a swathe of legislation affecting people?s lives that has been Labour policy for years that will have to be debated in the Commons first.
Hundreds of bills are tabled and proposed in committees each year, even theoretical ones, and don?t get to the first or second reading before being quietly ditched for good. I would be absolutely staggered to see this proposal become an Act. In fact it is so beyond the realms of possibility as to be laughable.
And, according to the sketchy articles that have appeared so far about this proposal (by a York MP) it would only allow a sovereign to take a royal dukedom away of their own accord, not be forced into it by any government. The Queen will never take her son?s dukedom away, and, whatever Charles?s personal relations are with his brother it would be extremely unlikely that he would do it either.
It's hard to not see it, the Procession.
Lesson 101 of how not to 'ruin' your life. Everyone in uniform minus the war (hero) who then notoriously behaved so bad.
Lesson #2: With Great Privilege Comes Great Responsibility
Maybe those with no *uniform* now can walk behind those that do have a uniform and that gives them time to think about why they are in suits....reflection is a good thing.
Actually Charles didn?t wear ?a uniform? at the Vigil of the Princes at St Giles in Edinburgh. Instead he donned his kilt, something he does a lot in Scotland.
I was actually referring to Andrew and Harry because of the stress and drama they both give HM, a mother and a grandmother who at her age should never have her family give her the emotional and mental stress that they did as in time that affects the body. And here Harry preaches mental health...talk is cheap with that man..
Quote from: Nightowl on September 13, 2022, 02:53:27 AM
Maybe those with no *uniform* now can walk behind those that do have a uniform and that gives them time to think about why they are in suits....reflection is a good thing.
Yes, and mine was a reply and an observation that Charles himself did not wear one of the armed services uniforms familiar to those in the RF when he was participating in the Vigil of Princes in Edinburgh. In fact he wore a kilt.
God forbid that I defend the loathsome Andrew, a man for whom I have the utmost contempt. However he served as a helicopter pilot in the Falklands War and wore his combat medals on his suit.
And what of those who did wear uniforms today. People who have never risked their lives in a combat zone ever.
Edward, a man who decided he didn?t like the Royal Marines and very quickly dropped out. And Anne, a very elderly woman whose only knowledge of being in combat was as the wife of an army officer and then a naval Admiral. Where are these two?s combat medals? I?d rather have had Tim in the row today. He actually served in the armed forces.
Yes, reflection is a very good thing. On what an absolute farce dressing up in a uniform when you have never been a soldier or a sailor and pinning medals on yourself that are awards for being royal.
Anne wore an array of medals on her naval uniform.
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Princess Anne's full-sized medals are as follows: the Queen's Service Order, the Coronation Medal, the Silver Jubilee Medal, the Golden Jubilee Medal, the Diamond Jubilee Medal, the Platinum Jubilee Medal, the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal (Royal Navy) (which she gets as an honorary Admiral) the Canadian Forces Decoration, Order of St John Service Medal, and the New Zealand 1990 Medal.
The Medals of the others who were dressed up in uniforms today.
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Considering the criticism that the BRF members who are not veterans ( Anne, Edward, Richard) receive when they're wearing the uniform of the regiments that they represent, might it be better for them to simply wear day wear (suit/dress) along with a tie or scarf in regimental colors along with the medal(s) associated with that branch of the military?
No, everything we've seen are the Queen's wishes, signed sealed and delivered.
Also, the latest Military poll of who should take i.e. Harry's honorary title with the Military; one Royal Anne, 4 Military related (2 retired, 2 active). Anne won, the relationship the men in arms with the royals dates back from the beginning of time, fighting for territory, fighting for the people, fighting for whatever reason where the Monarch was ever present, 1000 years of history with the military, it is part of their pride, patriotism, culture, their society.
If one doesn't want to believe in internal military polls from the divisions: Chief of the General Staff, the First Sea Lord and Chief of the Naval Staff, and the Chief of Air Staff and the Chief of Defence Staff, then remember the oath and allegiance of the Military in whole since 1215 with very little wording changes.
I XXXX XXXXX swear by Almighty God (do solemnly, and truly declare and affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, His Heirs and Successors, and that I will, as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend His Majesty, His Heirs and Successors, in Person, Crown and Dignity against all enemies, and will observe and obey all orders of His Majesty, His Heirs and Successors, and of the General Officers (Air Officers if entering the RAF) and officers set over me.
The King is supreme authority of the military As Commander-in-Chief the King closely follows developments in the armed forces and the security services. He regularly receives the agenda in advance of all cabinet meetings and its committees, particularly the national security committee. He also receives the minutes of the meetings of all of these committees and all cabinet documents.
IF he requires, his Private Secretary can seek additional information from Defence departments.
The royals will give the honorary title or take it away because of the ABOVE.
In bold as one can observe in the oath, the individual trooper has to add also his commander of platoon, the commander KNOWS his soldiers, just saying.
I know all recruits and cadet officers joining the British Armed Forces have to take an oath to serve the monarch as their Colonel in Chief. I?ve known that all my life, and it is so in the Australian armed forces as well. And of course they obey their superior officers. That happens in all armed forces around the world. It?s been so since at least the 18th century. That btw was emphasised by Harry?s reference to his grandmother as such in his latest tribute to her.
I just do not believe in the connection between royals who have never served in the military prancing around in military uniforms of high rank when they have never served. And that is shown by the ?medals? on their chest.
Do you really think that monarchs (even those who have served in the armed forces like Georges V and VI) knew all about military strategy because they (or rather their PSs) liaise with Defence Chiefs who supply information, I suggest you read the biographies of those Kings. They never took a military decision in their lives after their naval careers. They bowed to the Imperial General Staffs and to the politicians who ran the country during wartime.
And that would have been the case had Elizabeth been monarch during a major war. As for Anne being ?chosen? for high military positions, there are a lot of honorary military positions going and few working royals to fill them. Harry and Andrew had left royal working life, one voluntarily, one not, William has enough, to load any more on him would be ridiculous (and he has never served in a war zone either). So who was left? Eddy, lol?
I don?t admire the Yanks for much for all sorts of reasons, social welfare, gun control for instance. However, where I think they have got it right is that they do not demand their HOS or their relatives go around with honorary military titles they haven?t earned, in uniforms ditto, and with no military ?medals? for actually serving on their chests. It is beyond ridiculous.
They (the BRF members) who have an honorary military title are there because that is what is wanted. IF NOT, the officers will report to the Queen (in the case of Andrew and Harry) their sentiments, these two individuals broke their oath to the Queen. She received the reports, as the King is now, how to ignore it?!
Andrew and Harry were retired from the navy and army. They were both retired officers. The Queen isn?t the Commander in Chief of all retired officers and men and women who once made an oath to her but are no longer serving. If Harry and Andrew had been serving and hadn?t obeyed their superior officers they would have been court-martialled. The Queen never received any reports of either of them.
Retired military and naval officers can?t be reported for ?disobedience? to the Queen by their past COs or anybody else. They were not serving officers in the armed forces when they received their military honours and ranks.
Harry decided to leave and so his HONORARY military titles were pulled. That doesn?t negate the years he served in the armed forces. Andrew was disgraced and had his HONORARY titles pulled. That doesn?t negate his years of service either. Neither man was punished while he was a serving officer.
Anne and Edward have strictly honorary military ranks and have never served. That is the difference.
Until the Military is opposed to Royals with no service holding an Honorary Title, it is what it is.
Andrew and Harry both aren't with any honorary titles whatever the motive. Both men with their PR staff wanted their moaning to appear in the media, yet it didn't change a bit.
Military Honorary Titles: foster 'esprit-de-corps' and support their regiment and its leadership team at all events and when requested.
Esprit de Corps: a feeling of pride and mutual loyalty shared by the members of a group. Being attached to J Epstein, pedophile, OR Trashing your commander in chief's family IS against the oath. Read the oath again.
Supoprt their regiment....: example: Service for Royal Marines killed by IRA rather than the Lion King.
Quote from: Curryong on September 13, 2022, 08:59:38 AM
Yes, and mine was a reply and an observation that Charles himself did not wear one of the armed services uniforms familiar to those in the RF when he was participating in the Vigil of Princes in Edinburgh. In fact he wore a kilt.
God forbid that I defend the loathsome Andrew, a man for whom I have the utmost contempt. However he served as a helicopter pilot in the Falklands War and wore his combat medals on his suit.
And what of those who did wear uniforms today. People who have never risked their lives in a combat zone ever.
Edward, a man who decided he didn?t like the Royal Marines and very quickly dropped out. And Anne, a very elderly woman whose only knowledge of being in combat was as the wife of an army officer and then a naval Admiral. Where are these two?s combat medals? I?d rather have had Tim in the row today. He actually served in the armed forces.
Yes, reflection is a very good thing. On what an absolute farce dressing up in a uniform when you have never been a soldier or a sailor and pinning medals on yourself that are awards for being royal.
Believe me I have more contempt for Andrew then you have as I know all about that subject. Even if not conflicted in a court of law, that man is guilty as sin....I tried defending him as he was never proven guilty yet his arrogance and sense of entitlement hit home for me, and the facts of some women that I know also who survived that type of abuse.
Edward and the Marines, I know nothing about, so that is something I should learn about, One thing about Edward is that one time he was caught chasing a dog and something about abusing the dog, that is a huge NO NO for me in liking him. If a person can't respect a 4 legged creature then that shows they can't respect their family or anyone else. I have rescued dogs, birds etc and have great respect for them above the human race which at times makes my skin crawl with disbelief on how they treat not just animals but themselves.
Anne and Medals...is she wearing her husbands medals? Don't really think so, yet how did she get those medals? Her mother could give them to her maybe, after all, Anne is a very strong woman who has worked hard for the Firm and the country...are they perhaps an honor from her mother? Just asking as I don't know and will not judge. Yet I like Anne and don't think she would do anything disrespectful to the monarchy and the country.
what are you talking about Edward and a dog. Anne wears medals given her by the queen. Andrew is an arrogant selfish unpleasant man, but he has not been convicted of anything.
There was a long time ago a picture of Edward chasing a dog across a field and it was reported he was angry at the dog and abusing it....it is on google and I can't figure out how to post it here ......I did *prince edward chasing a dog* and it came up showing him chasing a dog with a big stick in his hand.....all on the daily fail.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 14, 2022, 02:12:02 AM
There was a long time ago a picture of Edward chasing a dog across a field and it was reported he was angry at the dog and abusing it....it is on google and I can't figure out how to post it here ......I did *prince edward chasing a dog* and it came up showing him chasing a dog with a big stick in his hand.....all on the daily fail.
Seems a bit odd. Possilby the dog was running off and Edward was chasing it... or trying to break up a fight between his dogs.
As i've said now repeatedly, it is foolish to try and guess things from a brief moment in a photograph.
I just do NOT like seeing anyone abusing an animal as I will if I come across it do something about it and have. I am fierce about my love of the animal kingdom and my dislike of the other animal kingdom meaning humans for we are so cruel and hateful to each other and believe me I know all about that cruelty .........yet I also know there are some very good people out there who do great things to help those in need and those I applaud loudly. Those pictures show Edward raising his hand with that stick ready to strike that dog of his....as the dog was scared to death crouching down in fear .....that bothers me about Edward as if anyone could do that to a dog, then next is family and that I know all to well. Some people meaning men are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde as I was at one time married to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I got the reward in the end..a divorce and freedom ......that is my jewel in my crown. LOL
Edward and his attack on his gun dog.
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Quote from: Nightowl on September 14, 2022, 07:28:49 AM
I just do NOT like seeing anyone abusing an animal as I will if I come across it do something about it and have. I am fierce about my love of the animal kingdom and my dislike of the other animal kingdom meaning humans for we are so cruel and hateful to each other and believe me I know all about that cruelty .........yet I also know there are some very good people out there who do great things to help those in need and those I applaud loudly. Those pictures show Edward raising his hand with that stick ready to strike that dog of his....as the dog was scared to death crouching down in fear .....that bothers me about Edward as if anyone could do that to a dog, then next is family and that I know all to well. Some people meaning men are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde as I was at one time married to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I got the reward in the end..a divorce and freedom ......that is my jewel in my crown. LOL
really
GETTING OFF TOPIC. Please take any discussion of Edward and the dog to Edward?s board. Andrew is the topic here. Thanks. :thumbsup:
QuoteAnne and Medals...is she wearing her husbands medals? Don't really think so, yet how did she get those medals? Her mother could give them to her maybe, after all, Anne is a very strong woman who has worked hard for the Firm and the country...are they perhaps an honor from her mother? Just asking as I don't know and will not judge. Yet I like Anne and don't think she would do anything disrespectful to the monarchy and the country.
@Nightowl - Here's what I know about the members of the Royal Family who are veterans/civilians and the medals that we've seen them wear when in uniform.
Current and recently deceased members of the BRF who were veterans of one of the military branches (WWII to the present): the late DoE and the Queen, King Charles, Prince of Wales, Dukes of Kent, York, Sussex, Prince Michael of Kent, Vice Admiral Timothy Laurence and the Earl of Ulster (DoG's son)
Nearly all of them except the V-A Timothy Laurence and the Earl of Ulster used to or currently have honorary military appointments.
For these veterans some of their medals/ribbons are with the units they served in, some are for their honorary military appointments, some are from the past coronations and jubilees. For the older members of the family they have coronation medals for King George VI and Queen Elizabeth II plus all of the Jubilees.
Combat veterans from the BRF - the late DoE -WWII, DoY-Falklands, DoS-Afghanistan, Vice-Admiral Timothy Laurence-NATO intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Earl of Ulster-Kosovo War, Iraq War.
Non veterans but they represent military units-Queen Consort, Princess of Wales, Earl and Countess of Wessex, Princess Royal, the Gloucesters, Princess Alexandra of Kent. Their medals and ribbons are for the military units they represent as well as as coronation and Jubilee medals.
Also many of them wear orders/medals awarded to them by the Queen ie: Garter, Royal Victorian Order, as well as foreign honors as well.
When King Charles III has his coronation, then a new medal will be issued too.
I hope this might answer some question that you had regarding the medals and ribbons that are on the uniforms and civilian wear for these members of the BRF. :)
He hasn't worn the uniform so far at any of the media claims, UK or foreign.
The latest was he was to wear it at the ''vigil at Westminster'', he was in morning dress
Previously the claim was to wear it at the vigil at Edinburgh'', it didn't happen.
So next is the Funeral...He also hasn't contested back to the media claims. Nor Charles either (bigger fish to fry). Actions, live tv is beating the drum. This is a moment where ALL the family has to do their part, behave rather then ending up in the front page news with bad press, bad image where people all over the world will equally give bad comments.
There?s plenty of time for the children and grandchildren to join in the Vigil. It didnt have to happen today. It could be tonight (Greenwich time) tomorrow, the next day. Andrew was said to wear it at the Westminster Vigil, not Edinburgh.
On the other hand, perhaps he?s thought better of it, or, more likely permission to wear the uniform has been withdrawn! Actually, as Andrew has the hide of a rhinoceros, I expect to see it sometime in the next 48 hours.
From the ABC (Aus) correspondent in London.
Prince Harry's exclusion from wearing his regiment's uniform is making headlines and talk-back in London.
My quintessential cabbie (born dockside, a cabbie of 30 years, father a cabbie, grandfather fought at Gallipoli) shakes his head in disbelief that Harry, who did two tours of Afghanistan, wasn't allowed to be in uniform, "but that mannequin Edward, who hasn't seen a minute's danger" was allowed.
Cabbie Stephen wonders if the Royals' days are numbered: "it just seems all a bit much now, doesn't it?", he asks, and King Charles just isn't like the Queen.
Will Australia become a Republic, he wants to know? It could. Stephen nods: it's the one country he'd leave England for.
I only know the military do not want Andrew or Harry.
A number of off topic posts about the Earl of Wessex and Duke of Sussex have been removed even after the Moderator reminder to keep the discussion to the Duke of York. Please keep the discussion on topic or the thread will be closed.
Quote from: wannable on September 15, 2022, 01:09:10 AM
I only know the military do not want Andrew or Harry.
what does that mean? The military is a big organisation, do you mean that the senior staff dont wnat him? Or the ordinary soldiers etc?
The King (previously the Queen) is supreme authority of the military As Commander-in-Chief the King (previously the Queen) closely follows developments in the armed forces and the security services. He (previously she) regularly receives the agenda in advance of all cabinet meetings and its committees, particularly the national security committee. He (previously she) also receives the minutes of the meetings of all of these committees and all cabinet documents.
IF he previously she) requires, his Private Secretary can seek additional information from Defence departments.
Quote from: TLLK on September 15, 2022, 01:12:27 AM
A number of off topic posts about the Earl of Wessex and Duke of Sussex have been removed even after the Moderator reminder to keep the discussion to the Duke of York. Please keep the discussion on topic or the thread will be closed.
I have remember that and also stay thread and stay topics on Duke of York
Quote from: TLLK on September 15, 2022, 01:12:27 AM
A number of off topic posts about the Earl of Wessex and Duke of Sussex have been removed even after the Moderator reminder to keep the discussion to the Duke of York. Please keep the discussion on topic or the thread will be closed.
1 apologize to the board and site for going off topic with my rant over Prince Edward on the Duke of York thread.
Quote from: wannable on September 15, 2022, 01:09:10 AM
I only know the military do not want Andrew or Harry.
Perhaps because he does not have the gift of good judgment, the lack of which can and has caused misunderstandings and disturbing gaffes. Unfortunately, this often makes him a very visible liability.
but who in hte military "do not want him?" are we talking ordinary soldiers? Senior officers? War office?
According to The Times, senior personnel in the navy and army considered Andrew to be an embarrassment for the military and believed he should be stripped from nine (9) honorary military titles.
^ From The Times back Dec. 2021 or Jan 2022 (Anyway he was stripped in some and forced to return to the Queen others, from military and charity patronages)
The most extraordinary individuals sometimes come up from the rocks under which they?ve been living for years. Now it?s John Bryant of Fergie toe sucking fame, already to divulge, to a tabloid of course, how he tried to ?help and advise? Andrew after his fall from grace. With friends like that who needs enemies etc etc. I suppose Fergie asked him to help. Perhaps she asked for a loan as well, while she was at it!
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Andrew goes from bad to worse it seems like all the time in whom he associates with as does Sarah.....both are so full of themselves and think the world owes them. HM was just tooooo darn soft with some in her family......only way people will learn is to let the suffer their actions/decisions in life.
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KING CHARLES THREA A DY out of BuckPalace. If this true, good going. Dumping dead weight.
Andy does not need an office. He has no patronages. He does not need RPOs because he has no duty of no patronages.
RoyalLodge is protected so he is protected.
He needs to enjoy his money. Travel for fun. Friends. He must have friends. Enjoy his grandchildren.
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Disgraced Prince Andrew 'thrown out of Buckingham Palace by King Charles' - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/disgraced-prince-andrew-thrown-out-28808252)
King Charles throws disgraced Prince Andrew out of Buckingham Palace after Epstein sex scandal | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20851886/king-charles-throws-prince-andrew-out/)
The King evicts Prince Andrew from Buckingham Palace with the disgraced royal no longer allowed to use the building ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/the-king-evicts-prince-andrew-from-buckingham-palace-with-the-disgraced-royal-no-longer-allowed-to-use-the-building-184670/)
Not good for Christmas on Duke of York
The UK media is making a big deal with the loss of an ''office''. It's normal to lose an office if one is made redundant.
The Yorks are going to have a great Christmas, the entire family together at Wood Farm Cottage at Sandringham for the first time after 30 years, Andrew and the girls used to stay at Sandringham house. They will also have their first Christmas day lunch which includes viewing of the King's speech after 30 years rather than separated from ex wife/mother.
I think Charles touches the right notes with modernizing certain items that will not shock society in general, like the concious friendly uncoupling of Andrew and Fergie.
IMO it is also a test of fidelity. An anecdote, if Fergie is asked in the future should be cute even cheesy, like Mike Tindall comments, which contains no TMI info or bad mouthing.
The only reason Andrew and Fergie weren?t asked to stay at Sandringham together in the past was that Philip absolutely loathed her, and couldn?t stand being in the same room as his former daughter in law. Charles is merely facing realities.
Why would British society be shocked by Andrew and Fergie still living together years after their divorce? British society isn?t shocked by anything much any more and certainly not by that. Everybody knows it?s just a matter of convenience when it comes down to it. It suits both to share Royal Lodge.
That doesn?t mean that Charles invited the family to share Wood Farm because he adores Fergie himself or that he wants to insure her fidelity. Fergie will continue to burble on in the same way in interviews that she has done since her divorce. She?s never badmouthed any member of the royal family as far as I can remember (and that includes the Sussexes, whom she has spoken very understandingly about since they married.)
And by Boxing Day many if not most of the family will be departing. And that will probably includes the Yorks. Like Anne?s family there are other sides of the family they will be seeing. Jack Brooksbank for example has a widowed mother and a brother and his family. Edo has his family, Mike Tindall his relatives as well. They don?t all hang around the sovereign like ornaments on the Xmas tree. As I said, by the 27th they will all probably depart, and that may well include the King and Queen to Birkhall. There?s no widowed and elderly monarch to keep company any more. They?re free to go after Xmas Day.
The majority of society don't mind, although there is a pretty small group of people that comment around social media to date that are disgusted?!
Here's to Christmas, the couple 34 years ago.
Portland Hospital, birth of their first daughter, Princess Beatrice
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The majority of Britons don?t care what any members of the BRF do or don?t do. And that goes double for Andrew and Fergie. And in spite of Prudes Incorporated on Twitter it?s extremely doubtful that Andrew and Fergie have slept together at all since their divorce, so they don?t need to clutch their pearls in anguish.
A review of ?Prince Andrew, The Musical? from The Guardian.
Prince Andrew: The Musical review ? plays the Epstein scandal for laughs in a way that is ? not OK | Television | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/dec/29/prince-andrew-the-musical-review-epstein-channel-4)
Her late Majesty was supportive of Prince Andrew doing volunteer charity work as a means of redemption. While having Andrew work with others in an office or warehouse etc..might be an issue, there has to be some online data entry work or something that he could do perhaps with Naval Veteran's groups?
Volunteering from home - Cambridge Council for Voluntary Service (https://www.cambridgecvs.org.uk/Volunteering/I%20want%20to%20volunteer/volunteering%20from%20home)
Queen said Prince Andrew's route to redemption was charity work 'as a way back into public life' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11698509/Queen-said-Prince-Andrews-route-redemption-charity-work-way-public-life.html)
QuoteAndrew?s mother suggested the route forward was taking on a charitable cause,? a source told The Independent.
?Other members of the family agreed and saw it as his only way to rehabilitation.?
The prince is not believed to have taken up any charity role in recent years.
I don?t believe that any charity, Naval based or otherwise, would welcome Andrew, quite frankly. Working your way back in that way (as John Profumo did with Toc H) requires bags of humility and grace and a true Christian spirit, none of which I believe Andrew possesses in any measure at all. And even then it took Profumo years. He was a younger man than Andrew now is and had decades of time to work on himself, something that a man already in his sixties doesn?t have.
To go off topic for a minute re Andrew?s allowance from the Duchy of Lancaster funds being cut by Charles. The late Queen gave him 247,000 pounds a year. If Charles has told Andrew (as he apparently has) that, from this April, his yearly stipend is going to be cut, my feeling is that this will not be a nibbling around the edges but a significant chopping down to possibly less than 200,000 a year.
Now Charles has less to live on himself as the holder of the Duchy of Lancaster funds rather than the Duchy of Cornwall?s, this is also likely to affect all those whom Queen Elizabeth helped with a yearly stipend not just Andrew. Charles will almost certainly decrease what the Queen gave per year to her daughter Anne, to son Edward (who is imo also unlikely imo to get his Dukedom) the Duke of Gloucester, the Duke of Kent and his sister Prss Alexandra, will, I would guess, all be getting much less help with their living expenses than formerly.
They will of course still be getting Sovereign Grant money so long as they keep working. Once they retire that ceases. So this doesn?t just begin and end with Andrew.
ROYAL LODGE: The house is believed to have a serious damp problem and needs a new roof. However the King has said he would not leave his brother 'homeless or penniless'
Valentine Low
The Times
Quote from: wannable on March 03, 2023, 08:45:29 PM
ROYAL LODGE: The house is believed to have a serious damp problem and needs a new roof. However the King has said he would not leave his brother 'homeless or penniless'
Valentine Low
The Times
MONEY PIT!!
I have my doubts about the home having damp problems or roof issues.
The house under went massive renovations before Andrew moved into it. Its part of the long lease he has on the home. He paid a huge chunk of personal money into updating the home. I find it hard to believe things like a bad roof would not have been seen to at that time.
If Charles actually tries to get the Crown estate to kick Andrew out, they will be paying Andrew a pretty penny to do so. He sunk a lot of money into the home. And he has a legal lease like any other tennant in the country.
Agree. However, it might be a good idea for Andrew to take somewhere smaller, and for someone who can pay a commerical rent to take RL
There is no roof repairs in the planning from the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead.
All the planning permits dated 2004 were gates, pathway, security cameras, lamp posts, internal tiled ceiling removal to put something else, almost 20 years ago.
The roof was probably fixed before the Queen Mother?s death. The Queen would hardly have allowed Mummy to live in a house with a leaking roof. If it is leaking now twenty years later, that is on Andrew.
Quote from: Curryong on March 04, 2023, 01:09:09 PM
The roof was probably fixed before the Queen Mother?s death. The Queen would hardly have allowed Mummy to live in a house with a leaking roof. If it is leaking now twenty years later, that is on Andrew.
Its hardly Andrews fault if the roof is starting to leak.. old places need a lot of money and attention, and it may be that some problems are starting to arise. It depends if Andrew wants to go on living there, or if he would prefer a somewhat smaller palce that would be easier and cheaper to keep up.
Quote from: Amabel2 on March 04, 2023, 01:17:01 PM
Its hardly Andrews fault if the roof is starting to leak.. old places need a lot of money and attention, and it may be that some problems are starting to arise. It depends if Andrew wants to go on living there, or if he would prefer a somewhat smaller palce that would be easier and cheaper to keep up.
Well, we shall see if Andrew actually wants to move to a smaller place, where he and Fergie are living cheek by jowl, rather than in separate wings as at Royal Lodge. Everything I have seen and heard and read about Andrew over the last fifty years of his adult life does not reflect the persona of a humble person who feels his rank and status are unimportant. If it was Edward and he was single I would say yes he probably would accept being transferred to a smaller dwelling.
However Andrew, pompous arrogant and entitled, I would say he would hate it. However he may be forced to accept a move. I dare say he has a few million in his piggy bank. Enough to maintain and renovate an ageing very grand building for possibly the next 30 years? Probably not.
well we dont know. If he has enough money, he probably would prefer the bigger house, and if he lives to be very old, he might be ok with a transfer to some smaller place if he's aged and requiring care. He has a lease and if he can pay for the house, he has the right to live there.
I also think Andrew has a right to live in his home as he bought and paid for the lease and repairs long time ago, that lease has not run out yet. I don't like Andrew and never have as he reminds me of a buffoon, an over grown monkey full of himself. I think it is just tabloid gossip running off at their mouths to create drama and trouble and getting people riled up to dislike the royal family so that the republican party can take over the country.
There is no republican party, and if there were, and they had a majority, we'd get rid of the monarchy. which would be fine.
My mistake, I do know that the Labor Party, Conservative Party and Liberal Democrats all have views and ideas of Republicanism in them and some of their members favor getting rid of the monarchy. From your comment I gather you are not in favor of the monarchy, one thing I learned in reading all these history books that I have here is that no empire, world leader (like the US), kingdom or whatever gov a country has will survive with a gov of greed, corporation and sense of entitlement and egos out of control, they all crash and burn eventually as time has shown us, not just monarchies. That is because we are all different and some want more control of other people.....yet once the people form and take a stand, things then change be it good or bad. That happens to all countries and their leaders and hopefully sooner than later for Russia.
very few republicans in the UK. Its most unlikely unless there was a war, or some very major scandal, that the monarchy would end. If it does, if the British people as a whole want to get rid of it, that is their choice. Andrew is certianly a factor which could put people off having a monarchy, but in relation to his house, if he can afford it, he has a perfect right to go on living there. If he hasn't Charles will probalby persaude him to move to a smaller house.
An article here about Andrew?s rude, abrupt and off hand behaviour as a trade envoy, dealing with foreign VIPs and diplomats.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/i-couldnt-believe-it-former-diplomat-reveals-prince-andrews-weird-behaviour-behind-the-scenes/news-story/b3fabbf16a32e60acf548fcaefde9b0e
?On one occasion described by Mr Wilson, the embassy had prepared a speech for Andrew at an event with the British ambassador.
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?The ambassador gave the opening remarks and then said, ?Your Royal Highness, you say a few words.? And Andrew refused to get up,? says Mr Wilson.
?Then he did get up, and he tapped the ambassador on the head tow or three times and said, ?This is the man who?ll tell you all about trade,? and sat down. The whole room went totally silent.?
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Mr Wilson once served as deputy head of the British mission in Bahrain, and interacted with Prince Andrew when the royal was a trade envoy. He was not impressed.
?We had a whole raft of things that came out in advance of his visit, his dislikes in terms of eating and stuff. He would only drink water, it had to be at room temperature, no ice,? the ex-diplomat recounts in the documentary, according to LBC.
?He always brought a large entourage with him, a private secretary, an equerry, a valet, a lady clerk and a business adviser.
?We were shocked when a six-foot ironing board was trying to be negotiated into one of the embassy cars. I just could not believe that he was bringing an ironing board with him. I asked the valet and said, ?This is insane.? The valet?s reply was, ?No one knows how to iron His Royal Highness?s trousers like me.??
It's a shame that Andrew didn't realize that his role as a trade envoy would require him to use diplomacy and tact. I'm sure that more than one embassy official wished that the Duke of Kent had retained that position.
Quote from: TLLK on April 12, 2023, 12:36:58 PM
It's a shame that Andrew didn't realize that his role as a trade envoy would require him to use diplomacy and tact. I'm sure that more than one embassy official wished that the Duke of Kent had retained that position.
He wasnt suitable for taht sort of job, I think that was obvious from Day 1 So I dont know whose idea it was to give it to him. He might have been a bit more useful as some kind of Sports Envoy
Latest Royal Lodge articles 'cycle' started in UK (leave and go to Frogmore), dispelled, then until all last week, USA (leave for William and Kate)
Page Six claims a source close to W&K:
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Prince William and Princess Kate don't want Prince Andrew's home, thank you very much.
Insiders dispelled rumors that King Charles is kicking his disgraced brother out of his longtime home, Royal Lodge, to make room for the Prince and Princess of Wales.
A source close to William and Kate told Page Six the couple is extremely happy at Adelaide Cottage with their three children, Prince George, 9, Princess Charlotte, 8, and 5-year-old Prince Louis.
And a move could prove a costly security headache for the king, multiple sources added.
The Waleses only relocated from Kensington Palace in London to Adelaide Cottage in Windsor last September.
However, there has been chatter that Charles wanted to move the family into Andrew's $38m Royal Lodge in Windsor which boasts 30 rooms and is considerably larger than the four-bedroom Adelaide after telling his younger brother to move out.
Not only do William, 40, and Kate, 41, want to stay put, but Royal Lodge lies outside the security perimeter of Windsor Castle. As a result, it has separate security for which Charles foots the bill.
However, taxpayers would be stuck with that separate bill if working royals William and Kate were to move in, a fate Charles is eager to avoid.
By Sara Nathan June 20, 2023 | 3:49pm
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Discussion of the Wales' children's education has been moved to this thread.
The Education and preparation of the Wales Children (https://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=87067.0)
Quote from: wannable on June 20, 2023, 08:12:48 PM
Latest Royal Lodge articles 'cycle' started in UK (leave and go to Frogmore), dispelled, then until all last week, USA (leave for William and Kate)
Page Six claims a source close to W&K:
By Sara Nathan June 20, 2023 | 3:49pm
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I tend to agree that the Wales are content to remain at Adelaide Cottage. Their staff has housing nearby so they don't really require live in help on a daily basis.
I suspect that in time Prince Andrew is simply going to run out of funds for the required renovation work on Royal Lodge and will move elsewhere. :shrug:
Its up to him. He has a lease for many years.
Quote from: TLLK on June 21, 2023, 03:25:41 PM
I tend to agree that the Wales are content to remain at Adelaide Cottage. Their staff has housing nearby so they don't really require live in help on a daily basis.
I suspect that in time Prince Andrew is simply going to run out of funds for the required renovation work on Royal Lodge and will move elsewhere. :shrug:
I agree. In whatever capacity, he?s no longer a working royal, so pay for the expensive upkeep or move elsewhere; not a difficult concept to accept overall, but I?m sure it?s hit him like a ton of bricks.
^^^Good points. Also while like his siblings he's experienced the loss of their parents, he's also lost his role(s) and identity as a working member of the BRF due to his behavior and words. Charles, Anne and Edward all have their spouses too to support them through this transition in their personal lives and duties. They are all moving forward with their roles within the family. Andrew is completely sidelined due to his behavior over the years.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's in a very low state and that might be why he's dug his heels in and won't leave Royal Lodge.
^Probably so. I can also see it rankle that Charles is in charge now; of the money especially.
Charles is paying for Andrew's private security at Royal Lodge, that mansion isn't 'fenced in' Windsor Estate, is part of Windsor Great Park.
I recall the real story is he wants to rent it to a billionaire, like Fort Belvedere, which is also located at Windsor Great Park. IMO, This sounds more like Charles, financial savvy person.
Yes, I have always felt that Charles was and still is highly underestimated, he is a brilliant businessman, just look at the Duchy of Cornwall and how he turned it around to become a major firm to help so many people today and he is a master painter of watercolors, some of his paintings are just marvelous. The man does not stop for much, he total workalochic with a schedule that many younger men could not keep up with today. I bet he is a picky person who knows just how he wants things done and when......a big type A personality........ :happy
I have a hunch that Andrew will not spend the rest of his days at Royal Lodge. He's likely to discover that he just doesn't have the funds for its upkeep and he will eventually realize that it's time to "retrench."
^And I think there?s an element of wanting to do it on his terms, not Charles?. I think he knows that he won?t have the funds to keep it up, but I think he feels hard done by (as laughable as that is to even type).
RICHARD EDEN: Prince Andrew faces losing his summer holiday home at Balmoral | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12283993/RICHARD-EDEN-Prince-Andrew-faces-losing-summer-holiday-home-Balmoral.html)
^ More of the same home situation/Balmoral holiday situation from Richard Eden
Quote from: TLLK on August 28, 2023, 12:29:58 PM
Yes it seems that the family truly loves being in the Scottish Highlands and enjoying the peace and quiet that the Balmoral Estate can provide to them.
They also seem to love pampering Andrew while continuing giving Harry the cold shoulder.
King Charles Embraces Andrew, Keeps Shunning Prince Harry (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/08/king-charles-embraces-andrew-keeps-shunning-prince-harry.html)
?Yet, there Andrew was, nestled in a car with William and Kate on Sunday at Crathie Kirk, the church the royals attend during their summer stays at Balmoral Castle in Scotland. William drove to the church with his uncle in the passenger seat and his wife in the back seat. Andrew and Kate switched seats on the way back.?
What a good look. Shunning a son and brother, while a man accused of sex crimes against teenage girls gets a free pass in the heart of the family.
The article goes on
?His appearance alongside the future king and queen, while knowing they would all be photographed, has been seen as a major boost in the York camp towards the Duke?s rehabilitation.
? After the public declaration of support from William and Kate, with Andrew riding in the car to and from the service in Balmoral where the royals are on holiday, one source said: ?It?s more than he (Andrew) could have wished for.?
Quote from: Curryong on September 01, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
They also seem to love pampering Andrew while continuing giving Harry the cold shoulder.
King Charles Embraces Andrew, Keeps Shunning Prince Harry (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/08/king-charles-embraces-andrew-keeps-shunning-prince-harry.html)
?Yet, there Andrew was, nestled in a car with William and Kate on Sunday at Crathie Kirk, the church the royals attend during their summer stays at Balmoral Castle in Scotland. William drove to the church with his uncle in the passenger seat and his wife in the back seat. Andrew and Kate switched seats on the way back.?
What a good look. Shunning a son and brother, while a man accused of sex crimes against teenage girls gets a free pass in the heart of the family.
The article goes on
?His appearance alongside the future king and queen, while knowing they would all be photographed, has been seen as a major boost in the York camp towards the Duke?s rehabilitation.
? After the public declaration of support from William and Kate, with Andrew riding in the car to and from the service in Balmoral where the royals are on holiday, one source said: ?It?s more than he (Andrew) could have wished for.?
I'm not surprised to see Prince Andrew at the annual Balmoral summer holiday which he's been attending for decades. I'm also not surprised to see him attending a church service which I consider to be a private family gathering. Especially during a time that is close to the anniversary of his mother's passing.
As for Prince Harry, I'm sure that his father would love to see him and his family visit Balmoral or Windsor or Sandringham. Admittedly, I believe that his step-mother, brother and sister-in-law would be more cautious about a visit with Harry, but know that Charles would especially want to see his other grandchildren again.
This is a private family gathering. As is attending church. However, as it always is with the RF it is also about signs to the media. The royals know darned well that absolutely everything they do, from the way they speak to each other, their mode of travel, their seating etc etc, is an object of fascination to the British public and is disseminated to that public by the media.
The royal family knew very well that their cars and passengers would be photographed by tabloid photographers on the way to and back from Craigie Kirk in the same car as the Waleses and that it would be commented on in the Press.
The message to the public that they wished to have conveyed was and is that Andrew is in the bosom of his family as one of them and will continue to be so. And the media reported it as such.
In the meantime the media constantly continue on with the Charles ?has no time? to see Harry line, the William is ?too angry, too hurt and annoyed? to see Harry narrative and so on. (No matter that it was William who physically attacked his brother or that Charles was so busy that he told Harry to put everything in writing rather than have a heart to heart with his son when it mattered.
Quote from: Curryong on September 01, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
They also seem to love pampering Andrew while continuing giving Harry the cold shoulder.
King Charles Embraces Andrew, Keeps Shunning Prince Harry (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/08/king-charles-embraces-andrew-keeps-shunning-prince-harry.html)
?Yet, there Andrew was, nestled in a car with William and Kate on Sunday at Crathie Kirk, the church the royals attend during their summer stays at Balmoral Castle in Scotland. William drove to the church with his uncle in the passenger seat and his wife in the back seat. Andrew and Kate switched seats on the way back.?
What a good look. Shunning a son and brother, while a man accused of sex crimes against teenage girls gets a free pass in the heart of the family.
The article goes on
?His appearance alongside the future king and queen, while knowing they would all be photographed, has been seen as a major boost in the York camp towards the Duke?s rehabilitation.
? After the public declaration of support from William and Kate, with Andrew riding in the car to and from the service in Balmoral where the royals are on holiday, one source said: ?It?s more than he (Andrew) could have wished for.?
Case in point:
Andrew, he hasn't been found guilty of any crimes has he? Can someone show me proof of his having sex with a woman who had sex with many other men? He hasn't bad mouthed the royal family or betrayed them has he? He has kept his mouth shut about issues within the royal family. He lives in the the area of many family members also and in the same country. I bet A is walking very carefully within the royal family even mow.
Harry and Meghan, well all know them don't we, lairs is their name, front and center for their very betrayal of the royal family.......what they did to Harry's grandparents is totally despicable to 2 older family members which can't be forgiven ever......just who in a family does that to grandparents of which one of them, was dying? And YES I do blame Harry and Meghan for having hastened the death of HM as I am sure the stress must of been horrific on her so called Beloved Grandson who had no care for her. There is
no positive feedback from them that will ever let them back, decent people that love their family wouldn't ever accept that behavior from any family member at all. Living in CA it isn't possible for them to hitch a ride to that church is it?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66682725
?Could Prince Andrew return to public life?? asks the BBC. And the answer, from most sources their correspondent spoke to is a resounding ?N!?.
And the case of Andrew, a man who paid money to avoid a perilous civil case brought by an Epstein victim is very very different from the case of Harry, who has certainly not committed any crimes, neither has his wife.
Unless living in another country than your birth country is a crime. In which case I am certainly guilty as I have been happily ensconced on the other side of the world to Britain, since my twenties.
The RF attitude is keep quiet about everything even if you?re treated like dirt by the Palace and others and your behaviour will be tolerated and condoned. Speak out about anything that?s happened to you, as Diana did and Harry has done, and you are a pariah! And imo to treat Andrew after his behaviour, and friendship with a paedophile, like a much valued family member sharing cars and family events, shows where the Royal Family?s values are. In the gutter!
He, A, went 'to church with them for heaven's sake, something he has done hundreds of times, is that a crime? Who says he is welcomed back, did BP or KP or Charles or William say that? That is a fake message
from his fans or the tabloids. I have little if I no respect for him at all, to me he is a creep yet maybe some are believing what he says, we don't know for sure. Maybe he is trying to change and we don't know that either...Crucify him for going to church with his family.......Unless it is proven he is not guilty *yet* im a court of law.
And what Harry and Meghan are guilty of is just as bad........they BETRAYED their family, they bad mouthed their country, they LIED time and time again all for MONEY, well of course that is what they did, after all they expected the Bank of Dad to support them forever even with security in another country no less. Any one who is a royal watcher knows just what they did for the last 3 years and I bet some of their fans are as frustrated with them as some of us here are........A DECENT PERSON DOES NOT DO THAT TO THEIR FAMILY EVER..especially to their *grandparents*. Sorry for the caps, sometimes I feel nobody is hearing me. I don't care what title a person has or the color of their skin, I care about how they TREAT others with respect in this world...I say Thank You to the bus driver when I get on and off the bus, that is called *common courtesy* im the world I live in, H/M have shown very little respect for anybody, they are totally inside themselves and think of only what they want.........selfish to the core! DONE!
When was the last occasion that Andrew shared a car with the Waleses on any private occasion for the last two years?
For at least 60 years the media has taken certain gestures or moves from royals as meaningful signals. Signals that mean to the Press that this is an unusual move, should be noted, and ought to be passed on to the public. There have been several occasions when such things have happened. And on this occasion the sharing of cars was no accident and it was duly reported in the tabloids. The Press don?t operate in a vacuum where the RF is concerned. Ever.
Quote from: Curryong on September 02, 2023, 07:24:07 AM
When was the last occasion that Andrew shared a car with the Waleses on any private occasion for the last two years?
For at least 60 years the media has taken certain gestures or moves from royals as meaningful signals. Signals that mean to the Press that this is an unusual move, should be noted, and ought to be passed on to the public. There have been several occasions when such things have happened. And on this occasion the sharing of cars was no accident and it was duly reported in the tabloids. The Press don?t operate in a vacuum where the RF is concerned. Ever.
Typically in recent years, Andrew drove with one or both with his daughters or with the late Queen. My theory is that Charles made the request to the Wales and they obliged him. A more far fetched theory is there was a hasty game of "rock, paper, scissors" between Anne, Edward and their nephew and William lost.
Prince Andrew will not return to duty but he can going to church include St.Mary?s Magdalene in Sandringham and Crathie Kirk in Balmoral also kept low profile but remember still investigation on disgraced of his friend Jeffrey Epstein but not yet guilty verdict because Andrew is royals not without his attorney present
When he resigned from his duty he with late Queen Elizabeth to church kept low profile
He's both a victimizer and a victim to US VIP's who rubbed shoulders and more with the Pedo and the infamous victimizer/victim Virginia Giuffre, who also has been accused as a groomer to minor age girls.
Moral of the story: Don't hang out with shady characters.
ETA: On the other hand, he can tell his experience - the good bad and ugly to the POW's (future of the monarchy) After a downfall, many lessons in all his 3 aspects of life, his young self Military hero, his fame going infamous hanging out with the Soho type rich people who aren't in the aristo circle with dark side exploitation, his downfall.
*My Soho comment is studied, about rich people who do not have entry at Aristo parties/gatherings/weekend hunting or gaming with BBQ circles, then there are the second and third or fourth children of aristo parents who make friends with this rich group of people who bring the 'thrills' that can get darkish.
It's always the second, third or forth who 'dare' to go further and a scandal ensues. Hardly or never see a first born get into such troubles, protected or not, time always is a matter of character, the young days, etc. I think the POW's should talk about dark characters when the time is right to their own children. It's a literal ''life saver''. My parents spoke about it to me and my brothers and sisters and the very likely consequences. And with examples of famous people or random but known people. It starts with a dinner sitdown, youngish to oldish teenagers - mom gossip out loud as a passing comment to dad the 'oh poor Johnson's dealing with their teenage child. The most curious bro/sister will say what happened, breaks ice, parents don't say Johnson detail but talk about the wolf who fed the good or the bad side. Adding other aspect to middle bro knows the Johnson kid, is an acquaintance but not a friend, be nice to him, empathy, you never know if such a move can help him. Plus the other aspects that parents know how to handle when giving life examples to children.
That's it, that is how I can see the positive side of Uncle Andrew's life experience to the future of the Monarchy, the POW's.
What about King Edward VIII, who was POW and then King? Plenty of scandal swirling around him, even though he was heir from childhood. And Edward VII scarcely set a standard of personal morality to his brothers or to anyone else. He was POW from birth and the first to appear in Court (in a divorce action) brought against a married woman by her husband.
If we look at foreign royals, there is Juan Carlos of Spain, who started off great as King, even though his messing about with guns had killed his younger and only brother. His reign didn?t exactly end in a blaze of glory. Then there was Leopold the second and the third of Belgium. They were both heirs, one pillaged the Belgian Congo for his own financial benefit, while Leopold III?s actions during WW2 and after it caused his abdication in favour of his son. So it is not ?hardly ever? that spares cause trouble and heirs don?t.
As for Andrew there is nothing admirable personally or privately about Andrew bar his service in the Falklands. He was regarded by Palace staff as a nightmare as a child but because he was the Queen?s favourite he was allowed to get away with murder, and his behaviour continued into adult life. His family may excuse him but they don?t seem to visit him at Royal Lodge too often. Fergie stated recently that he was lonely. And his not speaking publicly about his family does not excuse his behaviour with Epstein, Ghislaine, both jailbirds, and co. At all!
And as for US Presidents, over half have been middle children and not eldest sons.
?Here's a claim to fame that middle children can wave over the heads of their siblings: just over half ? 23, exactly ? of US presidents have belonged to their ranks.
So, does that mean that most of our presidents have had raging cases of middle child syndrome?
Not exactly. Business Insider's Lindsay Dodgson reported that middle child syndrome is a myth. Middle kids are, in fact, susceptible to peer pressure, open-minded, social, and excellent at negotiating.
Weakness in the face of peer pressure aside, those don't sound like bad traits for a politician to possess.?
It would very likely be acceptable to date marrying a divorcee, back then with what I know what historically happened behind the scenes. I can answer and tell the story for those interested in the proper thread. Just DM me and will start the discussion there.
Who did Andrew murder? The Falkland war, he was in truest danger. Frontline fire power. Yet he hasn't trashed his family in ink or film. He just seeked thrills with dark people who have money and are happy to thrill a prince, those platitudes strangers offer and get close are costly, hence my previous comments of shady people who at the end of the road are bad news.
Why not discuss it openly on the forum? I happen to know a great deal about the Duke of Windsor from beginning to end after sixty odd years of reading about him and his circle.
There were plenty of people with money swirling around both Edward VII and Edward VIII, both aristocratic and otherwise. Some of them led very ?fast? lives, as both Edwards did themselves in their private lives.
And Edward VIII?s issues didn?t begin and end with Wallis Simpson. He enjoyed chasing many women, several of them married, from his very early twenties.
And Edward VII was regarded by his mother Victoria as ?living for pleasure?. He followed the womanising route and borrowed money from wealthy friends from whom he could not repay back and so asked for titles for them from PM Gladstone and others.
And Andrew was known to seek out shady oligarchs to get money from them for himself and Fergie. He was mired in corruption for years, as the Press hinted for decades, including his time as trade envoy. There is very little that is admirable about him at all, at war or otherwise. He?s a boaster and may well have carried on about his war service to others.
^ I thought you didn't know a thing about him, because you described him as scandalous. This is not the board or thread to discuss him. I didn't say it isn't the forum.
I said THREAD.
Some of the US presidents have aristocratic ''ancestral'' background. I was referring to - pardon if I wasn't understood about the aristocracy, very little has changed.
There is no tight circle aristocratic studies, explanations of how they keep their - precisly circle - tight with their life, but those children whom have ventured ''out of the circle'' a bit or mid or too much, we've witnessed it since yeah King Edward III who fell in love with an American divorcee....further stories in the proper thread, I only wanted to give a bit of an explanation of why I think Andrew can, may and will be crucial in a positive way to the POW's and his brother. He knows evil (experienced the ''fast life''), can make them also look 'out of the box' so to speak, each tale brings life lessons, 100%. I'm not saying entirely that they all live in a bubble.
We are discussing joint and group family events, my intention was to actually note why Andrew (not Harry, didn't want to discuss Harry as he clearly said he dislikes Balmoral as his wife too). People have noted here that Andrew loves loves loves Balmoral, ages, years, decades going. I just wanted to add in what positive note he can bring to the table in this joint and group family events.
Shall we go to the Diana thread?
You thought I knew nothing about Edward VIII in spite of knowing I?m a history buff??
You think Andrew regrets his friendship with Epstein and Ghislaine other than it?s all come out about him and them and he?s now disgraced? My God, his BBC interview was full of defensive retorts and self justifications. He really regrets nothing about his past life except he can?t get money from his wealthy pals for his own and Fergie?s lifestyle any more! There is nothing he can bring to the table regarding life lessons or anything else. He may like Balmoral. Some do, some don?t. Prss Margaret went there for years but was bored there. So was Queen Mary. Andrew?s liking for the place is neither here nor there.
And Edward III was a medieval King of England who certainly wasn?t mixed up with any divorcee!
Quote from: Curryong on September 01, 2023, 10:42:32 PM
They also seem to love pampering Andrew while continuing giving Harry the cold shoulder.
King Charles Embraces Andrew, Keeps Shunning Prince Harry (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/08/king-charles-embraces-andrew-keeps-shunning-prince-harry.html)
?Yet, there Andrew was, nestled in a car with William and Kate on Sunday at Crathie Kirk, the church the royals attend during their summer stays at Balmoral Castle in Scotland. William drove to the church with his uncle in the passenger seat and his wife in the back seat. Andrew and Kate switched seats on the way back.?
What a good look. Shunning a son and brother, while a man accused of sex crimes against teenage girls gets a free pass in the heart of the family.
The article goes on
?His appearance alongside the future king and queen, while knowing they would all be photographed, has been seen as a major boost in the York camp towards the Duke?s rehabilitation.
? After the public declaration of support from William and Kate, with Andrew riding in the car to and from the service in Balmoral where the royals are on holiday, one source said: ?It?s more than he (Andrew) could have wished for.?
Please tell me just how is A being pampered with a car ride? so let's make some to build up H/M as they live halfway around the world and need a ride to church.
*Accused*is the operative word , not found guilty *yet* so let's get that straight okay. Yet we all have heard, read and seen the very words out of H/M's mouth full blast for the entire world to hear, read and see......that is full blown right from their mouths...can't put a spin on that to make it go away can we? And they kept it up for 3 years no less.
A ride or whatever biases, Andrew has never trashed his family or Balmoral. Harry did.
YES, that I totally agree with you on, at least he knows to keep his mouth shut and at this time not create any more issues within the family. I don't like him for his self entitlement attitude and his arrogant ego. Yet all he did was make friends with who just had a lifestyle he was looking for....as for sex with VG, heck, why didn't she sue other men she has sex with....that right there tells me a lot about her, out for a very fat paycheck is all she was about. She used Andrew to get that and the royal family fell for it. He will never be accepted back working for the family yet he is only accused of his choices in life of having sex with a whatever she calls herself, he did not *betray his family* like H/M have done.
Andrew has been condemned for his doings with young girls and Ghislaine and Epstein. However he did many other things that smeared the BRF far more than that and nothing M+ H has done has come up to it.
Prince Andrew facing calls to explain ?1m payments linked to high court fraud case | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/01/prince-andrew-facing-calls-to-explain-1m-payments-linked-to-high-court-case)
https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2034088_2034097_2033625,00.html
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/inside-prince-andrews-578000amonth-life/news-story/1120b51e4e6e95897c392b4d2f57a440#
Andrew had dodgy financial dealings for years with Eastern European oligarchs, and borrowed money for his lifestyle from many shady people that he was then obligated to. Imagine if that had come out at the time! And as for Epstein, the son of the British monarch borrowing thousands and more for his wife (that she may not have paid back) from a man who had gone to jail for sex offences to do with minors.
Andrew was also removed from being a Trade Envoy for Britain after complaints were made against him by British diplomats and others. He was offensive in his interactions with foreign representatives and there were questions about his private dealings when he was in that position as Envoy.
Former British diplomat reveals Prince Andrew?s odd behaviour as British trade envoy - NZ Herald (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/i-couldnt-believe-it-prince-andrews-odd-behaviour-revealed/KORVDO4XIBHQPBFCAZ7HRG56HI/)
So it is very very far from being just a question of Andrew getting involved with Virginia (and why did he pay her off if he was innocent of all wrongdoing?) I think his reported behaviour with the young girls Epstein had in his employ is reprehensible. However, the above activities that I?ve underlined are far far worse than anything the Sussexes have ever done against Britain?s reputation.
Prince Andrew held investments in shell company set up to keep holdings secret (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/prince-among-least-five-members-royal-family-who-used-marco-d-oro)
Well that was a boat load of info that I did not know about so put that together with VG and look where he is today, dammed from working for the family ever again and as I said earlier somewhere here, I believe A is walking on eggshells with the family. He might get a ride from someone yet I bet he and Sarah are living in a big house without family running in and out all the time. Just because he got that ride with William imo does not mean he is welcomed back full blown with balloons. He is as untrustworthy as H/M are at this moment I believe. and William did not look to pleased either as I bet dad almost forced the ride on him to take A........don't think A will be invited to dinner anytime soon at the Wales home.
As for all that information I will read up on that.....during that time, I was into HM mostly and my life.
Good Grief, that article is full of wild things all about the evils of MONEY of which I was married to what I call GOD who still to this day loves MONEY more than his family.....And I did not get any of that wealth
im my divorce either yet it was a good lesson about men and Money.
Anderew is never going to work as a royal again and is probably resigned, however unhappily, to a private and quiet life. But the RF is not gong to beat him wth a stick, he is still part of the family and for the queens sake, if nothing else, they will treat him as such
He only damaged his own reputation, that is not him trashing his own family.
Colluding as a trade ambassador for HM Government - he was subsequently asked to step down or made redundant. July 2011
Any position where there is money dealings for a organization, company or for government - colluding is when you successfully do the deal for them you take a piece for you or you make two deals - one for the government another for you.
A shell company in the UK is not illegal. But after the Guardian disclosed that some members of the Royal family had shares in a shell company, some pulled out others did not. Any other information on their ''private investment'' in the UK is private like anyone else. So I'm 99.9% sure those who pulled out - invested elsewhere rather than stay at a shell company that leaked to a news media.
Quote from: Amabel2 on September 04, 2023, 10:04:52 AM
Anderew is never going to work as a royal again and is probably resigned, however unhappily, to a private and quiet life. But the RF is not gong to beat him wth a stick, he is still part of the family and for the queens sake, if nothing else, they will treat him as such
Exactly. There's nothing wrong with Andrew joining in with private family celebrations like any other member of the family. Granted he was more present in the latter part of 2022 and in May of 2023, but that was largely due to activities associated with QEII's passing and KCIII's coronation. He's no longer a working member of the BRF, so his public "sightings" are largely limited to the occasional view of his riding or driving around Windsor.
Government documents detailing Prince Andrew's correspondence and dealings as trade ambassador will be kept secret until 2065 | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12474111/Government-documents-detailing-Prince-Andrews-correspondence-dealings-trade-ambassador-kept-secret-2065.html)
QuoteGovernment documents about Prince Andrew will be kept secret until 2065, it is revealed today.
The Duke of York?s correspondence with Ministers, including details of dealings as a trade ambassador, will not be released in his lifetime unless he lives to be 105.
The timeframe for Andrew, 63, came to light in response to a Freedom of Information (FOI) request made to the Foreign Office.
Under normal rules, records transferred to The National Archives at Kew from government departments are kept secret for 20 years. But special dispensation is awarded to the Royal Family.
Documents relating to Andrew?s brother, the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, and Princess Alexandra also have the same time gap ? 105 years from their birth ? for release.
Quote from: wannable on September 04, 2023, 11:58:08 AM
He only damaged his own reputation, that is not him trashing his own family.
Colluding as a trade ambassador for HM Government - he was subsequently asked to step down or made redundant. July 2011
Any position where there is money dealings for a organization, company or for government - colluding is when you successfully do the deal for them you take a piece for you or you make two deals - one for the government another for you.
A shell company in the UK is not illegal. But after the Guardian disclosed that some members of the Royal family had shares in a shell company, some pulled out others did not. Any other information on their ''private investment'' in the UK is private like anyone else. So I'm 99.9% sure those who pulled out - invested elsewhere rather than stay at a shell company that leaked to a news media.
You are not seriously suggesting are you that if any of Andrew?s nefarious financial dealings came out during the time he was trade envoy, that it wouldn?t have damaged the BRF?s and Britain?s reputation abroad as well as his own?
The only reason he was appointed to the semi-official position was because he was the Queen?s son. Therefore any actions he took as Envoy or in his private life, would reflect on the Crown.
And judging by the many articles about nefarious dealings, friendships with foreign oligarchs, and strange and entitled behaviour during those years it appears that he never facilitated anything on behalf of Britain and on several occasions caused embarrassment for British Trade delegates.
I don?t find that surprising at all. Monarchs wills have always been unavailable. Secrets are there to be safely hidden as far as powerful elites and their families are concerned, and that includes the BRF. There was no FOI a hundred years ago or more but the Palace acted swiftly to make sure that nobody laid hands on the will or private papers of Prince Frank, Queen Mary?s playboy brother, who died prematurely, leaving his mother?s emeralds to his mistress. Mary wrestled them back, into her care!
And any private papers dealing with Prince Philip?s affairs (in more than one sense of the word) will be very interesting to historians when they finally are revealed. Those that haven?t been destroyed already of course. As will Prince and Princess Michael?s dealings with Russian oligarchs. As for when Andrew and Fergie finally pass, mass bonfires at Royal Lodge I expect, much more numerous than Prss Margaret disposing as she did in similar fashion, of her mother?s correspondence with and about Diana and others. People in power will always protect their own.
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It is not just the rich and famous who will protect their families but most smart families will do the same, burn anything that should not be made public.
well in the good old days of queen victoria, it was considered good practice to destroy all private letters.
Quote from: Nightowl on September 05, 2023, 07:37:43 AM
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It is not just the rich and famous who will protect their families but most smart families will do the same, burn anything that should not be made public.
I don?t think with Andrew it would be private letters that will be any worry. I would imagine that like most people he uses his cell phone and texts anyone he wants to get in touch with. It will be documentation kept about his dodgy dealings arranged through third parties and maybe necessary even now, that would be the main concern. Or begging letters to the Queen and Charles that have gone through the hands of courtiers, aides etc who may have taken copies.
As arrogant as A was I don't think he might of thought of keeping great records as he probably thought his life like it was would go on forever. Even his staff could be lazy at times and mot keep good records of things, just put papers anywhere as I have seen lazy attorneys do just that. Who knows what records/papers were laying around.
He is being targeted again (since a few days ago), dark forces USA.
Some people are trying really hard to ruin the monarchy.
Politico is preparing a lengthy article about it soon.
Prince Andrew hasn't been riding in weeks it seems like, what happened? No driving a car either......slow weeks for Andrew.
@Nightowl - I saw a photo of him out riding a day or two ago. Apparently he typically does this on weekends and sometimes Edward joins him. I believe that he spent much of August at Balmoral so that's why he hasn't been seen riding at Windsor recently.
Thank you for the update on Andrew, he should be very grateful for what he has and not complain one darn bit. Horses need exercise, so let Andrew ride and ride some more to keep them in shape, that should be his job now... :lol:
He is a free agent. He doesn't have to ride if he doesn't want to.
Yes, Andrew is a free man yet he has restrictions on him as he can not ever go back to being a member of the Firm with what is and will be the shame of JE hanging over his head all his life. Yet he should do something useful in life, so exercise those horses is a good thing for him and the horses.....both need exercise!
there is no need for him to exercise horses, he' s not a groom. If he has taken to enjoyng riding in later life, he can do so wihout people feeling he has to do it to please them
I know that Andrew is not a groom and he is not the type of person to ever be one either. Instead of sitting around doing basically nothing with your life except taking care of that big house, and horses need exercise, Andrew go ride those horses! And nobody is telling him to do that either, that is a very good thing to ride those horses.....we all need some exercise in our lives to keep the heart working. I think it is great that he rides horses, I love horses and part of my childhood was with farm animals and to this day I love farm animals mostly horses, goats, sheep and lots of dogs.
The man is retired from his job, he can do what he likes. if he feels like riding horses he can do so, if not, he can do that. Hes not obliged to do anything to provide news.
I agree he's totally free to do whatever he feels like it, no longer a senior working royal, BUT since the guy has no brains (*no brains is the shady people he associated with in the past, decisions he took because he wanted commercial moneys) - the target of a majority of people who want him fully cancelled in the UK and a minority internationally. He's a major victim vs US Presidents and other very famous celebs that have bigger dirt hidden with Epstein and the minor aged prostitutes. Andrew's case for those who have truly followed closely know that his accuser, who was both a prostitute and a pimp.
what are you ssaying. Andrew's working life is over. But he's not going to give up living and he will continue to live as he chooses, if he wants to ride, he can do so, if not, he does not have to.
I am saying that I agree with you, since he is no longer a senior working royal - he is free to do whatever he wants to do.
I only added that since his past decisions - today's woke cancel culture - people want him to not even do freedom from duties stuff like riding horses or whatever. The man takes a walk - he's criticized.
I dont see anyone criticising him for going riding at Windsor, as he's been doing for some time now. it must be obvious that he is not literally going to stay indoors for the rest of his life
Th is article reports that the King and the Duke of York have come to an agreement regarding Royal Lodge Windsor. Prince Andrew will be permitted to stay indefinitely as long as he completes repairs to the residence.
Charles allows disgraced Prince Andrew to stay at Royal Lodge after striking deal - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-given-stay-execution-31086851)
QuotePrince Andrew has been granted permission by the King to stay indefinitely at his Royal Lodge home, after thrashing out a deal with the monarch.
The disgraced Duke of York has been given time to assure his brother he can come up with the necessary funds to carry out much needed repairs on the 30 room royal mansion. Andrew and the King were at loggerheads this summer when the monarch suggested his brother move out of the property and into a smaller four-bedroom cottage on the Windsor estate, vacated by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
But now Andrew, 63, has been granted a ?stay of execution?, despite his annual ?250,000 handout being cut by the King and his home needing an estimated ?2million in repairs. It can also be revealed Andrew had forked out more than ?200,000 for roof repairs over the summer, described as an ?interim payment?.
However, the Grade II listed house is in need of much more urgent repair including damp throughout the property. Royal sources have confirmed the King and Andrew met privately at Balmoral at the end of August, during a royal family gathering, where the issues were discussed.
^That doesn't sound promising, Rebecca English from the Daily Mail with more investigation to the original ^ The Mirror article, it will take several millions to repair that 30 room mansion, Charles gives him a brotherly love annuity of GBP 250,000.
Rebecca's sources to add:
1. However, multiple well-placed sources in royal circles have told the Mail that the prince isn't being 'realistic' about his financial situation.
2. One family friend said: 'It's all a bit cloud cuckoo land, I'm afraid. No one, not least His Majesty, believes there is any realistic, long-term chance of the Duke of York being able to keep the roof at Royal Lodge over his head.
3. It's a massive property and estate that requires a huge amount of upkeep.' Another added: 'In all honesty, I would not expect to see the Duke of York of living at Royal Lodge in the long term. If he could pay the upkeep then he would be welcome to stay. But the chances of that happening are, frankly, remote.
4. 'He and the duchess are rattling around in a huge property they simply can't afford.'
5. how it looks for a jobless ex-royal to live in such palatial surroundings
6. the lucrative income Royal Lodge could bring in as a rental property on the open market
^^^ I tend to believe that Charles is just giving Andrew the space and time required before he realizes that Royal Lodge is his albatross. He's unlikely to be able to keep the vast property in good shape considering that he really has a relatively small income and a very expensive home to maintain.
Charles Rae, ex Royal Editor of the Sun was interviewed a couple of hours ago, he says for the ''immediate repairs'' it's GBP 2,000,000. For mid and long term maintenance and repairs - Andrew is 1 to 5 from the ^^ above Rebecca's sources.
Note he added the 'conditions' for Andrew is welcome to stay includes that he maintains and is 'up there' with the repairs, which I find completely fair, no owner wants a building to fall in disrepair - keep the high standards.
He probably has until December 2023 deadline - I'm speculating here.
The powers that be, The Telegraph article is 'open'.
The crown estate is really pushing hard.
Prince Andrew given a ?stay of execution? at Royal Lodge, Windsor (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/10/03/prince-andrew-stay-of-execution-royal-lodge-windsor/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1696409361-1)
The legal term condition for Andrew is ''stay of execution'', in other words he must meet the conditions and execute them if not...
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on January 26, 2024, 04:31:13 PM
REBECCA ENGLISH: Camilla's secret visit to a women's refuge centre shows she won't be cowed by convention on causes close to her heart | Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13000197/rebecca-english-Camilla-womens-refuge-centre.html)
Who?s going to cowe Camilla for goodness sake! Everyone, male and female, even perpetrators, know that such actions as domestic violence are disgraceful and wrong. These sorts of visits are very different to the days when Diana as a pioneer went and visited AIDS patients in hospices and clinics, talking to and holding the hands of dying men. In the 1980s and 1990s there was wholesale prejudice against many homosexual males, who comprised large numbers of AIDS victims. I remember that there was a view that contracting such a disease was ?their fault?. Diana?s actions were truly brave in those circumstances.
No sane person holds views like that today about DV victims and the men who beat and murder them, or those who are trafficked for sex. Although perhaps Camilla could have a chat with her brother in law Andrew about the latter and try and change his stance as he seems to have differing views on the subject. Or ask Charles to stop including him in public family events like the Sandringham walk last Xmas. Good luck with that!
I don't like Andrew any more than the next person yet there is one thing I just don't get......Andrew has been found guilty by NO EVIDENCE, NO PROOF.. So show me Evidence, proof and I will gladly hang him up also......that is all assumptions, all rumors, all stories, NO FACTS. Yes he had a friendship with JE the creep from hell with young girls and maybe is those in charge of all the possessions of JE would search high and low and in and out there could be PROOF of Andrew with a young girl, a video maybe or pictures showing sex.......yet there Is NONE. So he is guilty by association with JE and believe me that woman VG did what she wanted to do just to make money, yes she was trafficked as a teenager yet she was not STUPID or DUMB and played the game to get what she wanted and she used Andrew to get the pot of gold. So my question is.......WHY didn't she sue other men besides just Andrew? I am sure VG had sex with plently of men and she knows just who they are and maybe some paid her off to be quiet.....And therre is NO way Andrew should be kicked from the family ever.....at least he is not writing a book on how horrible the family is to him or talking to another Oprah to make himself seem like a victim. He is quiet, rides a darn horse sometime, (horses do need excerise and that could be a good job for him), he loves his daughters and ex-wife who she has her own issues in life has stood by him as he has stood by her with her medical problems recently. Andrew needs to face himself in the mirror about who he is and accept responsibility for his decisions. Being arrogant and self-entitled will get him no where in life.
Has kept quiet? Yes, almost certainly because he has a lot of baggage to be quiet about, and a lot that doesn?t involve Epstein or VG.
Prince Andrew to step down as trade envoy, Buckingham Palace confirms | Prince Andrew | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/21/prince-andrew-trade-envoy-palace)
Corrupt activities for years and years, anyone? Being rude, boorish and damaging to important British negotiations during Trade talks, anyone?.
?Epstein had given ?15,000 to Andrew's former wife Sarah Ferguson to reduce some of her debts. The prince acknowledged he had made a mistake after a photograph of him with Epstein in New York was published.
That incident was only the latest misjudgment in the prince's 10-year career as an envoy. He was also criticised for his use of private jets and helicopters rather than scheduled flights for his engagements in Britain and around the world and for his close links with unsavoury foreign dictators and businessmen.
Last year's Wikileaks disclosures featured an American ambassador criticising the prince's boorish remarks to businessmen during a lunch in Kyrgyzstan, during which he attacked a British Serious Fraud Office investigation into corruption.
His regular trips to Kazakhstan and friendship with Timor Kulibayev, the president's son-in-law, also aroused adverse comment, especially when Kulibayev purchased Sunninghill Park near Ascot, given by the Queen to Andrew and Ferguson following their marriage, for ?15m, ?3m more than the asking price.
Further doubts were raised about Andrew's position in the wake of a Guardian report about him entertaining the son-in-law of the ousted Tunisian president, Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, at Buckingham Palace.?
But no, he really really deserves to be kept coddled in the bosom of his family because he has ?kept quiet? about what happens in the BRF. And he happened to be getting a large allowance from Mummy as well for many years since he left the Royal Navy.
At least being quiet regardless of what member Andrew could talk about shows some respect for members of the royal family, unlike some we know who just love to shout out their rage because they did not get what they wanted, the half in and half out deal.
That $15,000 should have been between JE and Sarah, not anyone else as she got the money, so way bring other people into it? Like some we know Andrew is full of himself, total ego manic who thinks he is better than anyone else and could care less what the public thinks of him. Private planes seem to run in royals that have a sense of self-entitlement with mistreatment of employees.
Andrew is not in any sense being cuddled by anyone in the family, he is a broken man who has no idea what to do with the rest of his life and all he has now is his 2 daughters and grandchildren....the only one thing I will give him credit for is he does know how to keep his mouth shut as not just the royal family but all families have troubles within that if known to many could cause problems, being an outspoken woman I know for a fact that many many times I caused big troubles when speaking my opinion to those around who wished I hadn't. So I give Andrew credit for not writing a book or doing an Oprah or bad mouthing the family as that I believe would really hurt his daughters as they loved HM very much, especially Beatrice whose wedding almost did not happen because of the virus.
Cash-strapped Prince Andrew is spotted having lunch at a fancy private members' club in Mayfair with his billionaire sports tycoon former business partner -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13255773/Prince-Andrew-spotted-having-lunch-fancy-private-members-club-Mayfair.html