Sarah Ferguson Joins Ex Prince Andrew and Their Daughters for Palace Event

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amabel

She was separated from Andrew when she was caught out with J Bryan, and the RF made haste to get rid of her, a divorce with a small settlement, which in essence was saying that she was kicked out by the RF.. so anything else she did was not "as a royal". She left Balmoral the day her photos were printed with the toe sucking and I think it was obvous that that was the end for her.  yes her behaviour did damage them at the time, coming as it did with a LOT of other messy situations being revealed around the same time.  She certainly wasn't the only one to indulge in an affair that became public....
But the RF did cut her loose and I tink it was very clear that she was persona non grata..
and since her divorce, she's certainly been extravagant and greedy for money, but I don't know of any real sexual scandals.

sandy

Well Charles and Camilla were never caught by the paparazzi "going at it."  Charles confessed in 1994 that it was an affair. Sarah revealed her affair in a rather crude way.

amabel

she didnt' reveal it, she was claiming to be on an innocent holiday abroad, and was caught fooling around by the Press.

sandy

Well she did reveal it in a big way by being careless and going out in the open where the paparazzi can get money shots. She was  very clueless and should have heard that photographers crave money shots of royals.

TLLK

Quote from: amabel on May 06, 2017, 11:13:48 AM
she didnt' reveal it, she was claiming to be on an innocent holiday abroad, and was caught fooling around by the Press.
And there were leaks to the press as to the state of the Yorks' marriage.

amabel

Quote from: TLLK on May 06, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: amabel on May 06, 2017, 11:13:48 AM
she didnt' reveal it, she was claiming to be on an innocent holiday abroad, and was caught fooling around by the Press.
And there were leaks to the press as to the state of the Yorks' marriage.
were there? I was quite surprised when the anouncemetnt of the Yorks separation came, because their marriage had not seemed to be in trouble.  At the time the waleses were reputed to be having a lot of serious problems and if there was an expectation of any royal couple breaking up it was of them.  however I think the public felt that even if C and Diana weren't getting on well they'd stay together because of their position. but AND and sarah had seemed to be all right and it was a surprise that they separated. Then Fergie was caught with Bryan.

sandy


TLLK

Quote from: amabel on May 06, 2017, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: TLLK on May 06, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: amabel on May 06, 2017, 11:13:48 AM
she didnt' reveal it, she was claiming to be on an innocent holiday abroad, and was caught fooling around by the Press.
And there were leaks to the press as to the state of the Yorks' marriage.
were there? I was quite surprised when the anouncemetnt of the Yorks separation came, because their marriage had not seemed to be in trouble.  At the time the waleses were reputed to be having a lot of serious problems and if there was an expectation of any royal couple breaking up it was of them.  however I think the public felt that even if C and Diana weren't getting on well they'd stay together because of their position. but AND and sarah had seemed to be all right and it was a surprise that they separated. Then Fergie was caught with Bryan.
Yes there was because Diana let the DM's Richard Kay know that the York marriage was in trouble.
Princess Diana told me 'The Redhead's in trouble' as I confronted Fergie's toe sucking lover | Daily Mail Online
And Tina Brown covered it in her book as well.

amabel

but the Bryan story, ie Fergie being caught with him, happened after she and Andrew separated.  I remember the separation being announced and being surprised, and saying "But its Charles and Di who are supposed to be in trouble".  And this is  rather vague anyway, Long after the fact journos claim that ti was "almost certainly" Di who leaked te story to the press?  I have Tina B's books and she also states it almost as a definite fact that Diana leaked the story of Fergie having an affair with Bryan to the press to distract them from her problems and faults but whle that Is possible, its far from proven in my mind.

sandy

Tina Brown says a lot of things that are "definite facts." I take her contention with a grain of salt not a fact. Diana and Fergie (according to Fergie) talked about the Great Escape getting out of their marriages.  Fergie did her own damage. There would be no "story" if Fergie did not get involved with her "financial advisers." She was careless too.

TLLK

Quote from: amabel on May 07, 2017, 06:25:15 AM
but the Bryan story, ie Fergie being caught with him, happened after she and Andrew separated.  I remember the separation being announced and being surprised, and saying "But its Charles and Di who are supposed to be in trouble".  And this is  rather vague anyway, Long after the fact journos claim that ti was "almost certainly" Di who leaked te story to the press?  I have Tina B's books and she also states it almost as a definite fact that Diana leaked the story of Fergie having an affair with Bryan to the press to distract them from her problems and faults but whle that Is possible, its far from proven in my mind.
I believe the story because of the timing of the announcement. Certain members of the press had likely warned Diana that news regarding her own private life were being discussed and she panicked. To hold them at bay she shared the news about the state of the Yorks' marriage. She knew the information because Sarah had shared certain details with Diana expecting that she would stay silent. However in the years after Diana's death we've seen a flood of information appear from the people Diana "trusted," who eagerly shared information they had about her.

Had Diana lived it is unlikely that we'd ever know about this and Sarah could continue to believe that the "grey men" had leaked the story.

sandy

Sarah shot herself in the foot.  Diana knew darn well her private life was already being discussed. This was going on for years. She was not the "villain" who "informed on" Fergie. there is no proof. I guess it depends on how people feel about Diana.

Tina Brown had very questionable contentions in her book. Even Penny Junor does not accuse Diana of doing this! If she had a grain of proof she certainly would have.

Fergie was not some innocent, she caused trouble for Diana.

Fergie was careless, it had nothing to do with Diana. SO "evil" Diana had her "connections" spy on Fergie which led to her being "caught" GMAB. Diana is blamed for world hunger and a bad economy.


royalanthropologist

I just knew it. Richard Kay was bound to become a villain at some point in the Diana saga. Just goes to show that writing complimentary stuff  about Diana and telling her side of the story in the press is no guarantee that you are really on Diana's side. You have to do more to prove your loyalty. That article Richard Kay wrote was all wrong. He should have said that Diana was a victim of Sarah's machinations and that Diana only wanted to help when she shared the details with him. Diana had good intentions. It was Sarah's fault all along.

Also, that Sarah Ferguson should never have committed adultery, it was virtually unheard of in royal circles. She should also have made sure that no member of the family leaked details of her struggles to the press. It was very irresponsible of her. She is totally to blame for the leaks to the press and should have prevented them somehow. I would have suggested threatening Diana was a retaliatory leak of her own marital problems... but again that would be piling on that poor woman who had suffered so much already. In any case Diana was too beautiful and too kind to be involved in such nasty stuff. Diana did the right thing this time. Probably Charles paid Sarah to cause all those problems for Diana by committing adultery. I would not put it past him, the guy is evil personified.

What a joke :notamused:
"In the past, people were born royal. Nowadays, royalty comes from what you do"...Gianni Versace

sandy

You can compare Sarah to the other royals till the cows come home. Sarcasm about Diana does not cut it here. Sarah was "bored" with her husband and got financial advisers. She had the most embarrassing "revelation" when the tabs were delivered to Balmoral when Sarah was there with Andrew. The Queen summoned Sarah and she was ceremoniously sent packing. I don't recall anything like this happening to other royals. Sarah shot herself in the foot.

If you want to blame Diana for Sarah's flaws, suit yourself.  Sarah was not a puppet Diana maneuvered and told what to do. Sarah did this all by herself.

You have zilch proof that Diana was the one who leaked the story and perhaps  "forced" Sarah to get topless on a lounge chair in full view of photographers (who got their money shot). In your world you probably think Diana was one of the photographers who took the photos. Or maybe the "evil one" hired a red headed actress to impersonate Sarah.

And maybe Diana forced Sarah to spend money like water and go into debt.

Oh yes it is all Diana's fault. ANd she's responsible for world hunger and economic problems and so on.

Speaking of jokes... :nod:

royalanthropologist

Not worth bothering anymore...will never get it in a million years. I am done.   Argggh :notamused:
"In the past, people were born royal. Nowadays, royalty comes from what you do"...Gianni Versace

sandy

Sarah did herself in.  She made huge mistakes. She had a husband who was good to her and  she messed up. Big Time.  The reality is that she was the only royal of recent memory to be ousted by the Queen from Balmoral. If you don't want to hear other viewpoints that's your choice. Diana being thrown under a bus to try to bolster Fergie is a cop out. IMO.

TLLK

Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 08, 2017, 05:49:26 AM
I just knew it. Richard Kay was bound to become a villain at some point in the Diana saga. Just goes to show that writing complimentary stuff  about Diana and telling her side of the story in the press is no guarantee that you are really on Diana's side. You have to do more to prove your loyalty. That article Richard Kay wrote was all wrong. He should have said that Diana was a victim of Sarah's machinations and that Diana only wanted to help when she shared the details with him. Diana had good intentions. It was Sarah's fault all along.

Also, that Sarah Ferguson should never have committed adultery, it was virtually unheard of in royal circles. She should also have made sure that no member of the family leaked details of her struggles to the press. It was very irresponsible of her. She is totally to blame for the leaks to the press and should have prevented them somehow. I would have suggested threatening Diana was a retaliatory leak of her own marital problems... but again that would be piling on that poor woman who had suffered so much already. In any case Diana was too beautiful and too kind to be involved in such nasty stuff. Diana did the right thing this time. Probably Charles paid Sarah to cause all those problems for Diana by committing adultery. I would not put it past him, the guy is evil personified.

What a joke :notamused:
This was a very sad and sordid mess for all involved. One of the few times that I felt bad for Andrew because I do believe that he truly loved Sarah.

sandy

I don't know why she behaved the way she did perhaps boredom or maybe some contempt for Andrew (for whatever reason). She seemed like a modern Emma Bovary, taking on lovers and running up debts.

FanDianaFancy

YES, what a joke  here.
Maybe  I am bored with the same ole  posts   , same  old subjects.

Diana and Sarah  are not the same  people. newsflash.  Both  women erred  in  private lives  . Both  women  can be  blamed  for  their private lives. Diana  SAID  she  was  at  fault, 50%-fifity percent-.50 for  her  marriage  ad all.  Fair and honest their. 
Sarah  made  an error  in judgment  , separated or   not 
from  PAndrew, she  played  it  fast  and loose  with  HRH, Duchess of York  life/title.

It  went to her head. She  did  not  get it. She  too, like Diana , no  real mother  to consult.  TPTB?  An older woman  of the  aristos/nobility?  I  do not think so.

For  my young'ins here, Sarah  was  not  in public but on a  private  estate  between walls/shrubs/space.
The paps  climbed the walls/shrubs/space   and got their  money shots of  topless  Sarah  and  the  kids  , the granddaughters of QEII, preschoolers/toddlers  without their tops on too  and  Mummy  getting her toes  sucked  by Mr. Rich Texan. Well,  his folks were rich.

She  let  herself get used  by  Johnny  Bryan and  Lynn Wyatts ' son.

Silly, stupid  girl.

Sad.

Difference between her and Diana.
PAndrew had  no  mistress  /girlfriend hanging around, lurking, waiting, knowing  ...
PAndrew  never bad mouthed  Sarah. Certainly , he must have friends. They  never badmouthed her.

PAndrew , it seemed  , really  loved her. Everybody  is  different in their personalities and  no  body  is  better  for  it and I mean  by  personalities , their  likes and dislikes.
Sarah  loved: city life, country life, polo playing, horse riding, outdoors, fun....   
QEII,  QMother, etc  all liked her.  They all liked Diana  too.
The press liked  Sarah-A breathe of fresh air.
Sarah  forgot her place, forgot reality, it all went to her head.
She  never  stopped with the major mistakes  either. 
Divorce. Diana's death. Time.  What and when?
Well, she  seems a  bit  quieter now...for now.


My post is a  :goodpost:  and  you all  are   :welcome:

amabel

Quote from: TLLK on May 07, 2017, 03:08:00 PM
Quote from: amabel on May 07, 2017, 06:25:15 AM
definite fact that Diana leaked the story of Fergie having an affair with Bryan to the press to distract them from her problems and faults but whle that Is possible, its far from proven in my mind.
I believe the story because of the timing of the announcement. Certain members of the press had likely warned Diana that news regarding her own private life were being discussed and she panicked. To hold them at bay she shared the news about the state of the Yorks' marriage. She knew the information because Sarah had shared certain details with Diana expecting that she would stay silent. However in the years after Diana's death we've seen a flood of information appear from the people Diana "trusted," who eagerly shared information they had about her.

Had Diana lived it is unlikely that we'd ever know about this and Sarah could continue to believe that the "grey men" had leaked the story.
I don't think it is anything like proven.  Sarah was indiscreet and silly and its quite likely that a leak about her being with Bryan on holiday and canoodling with him could have come from some indiscreet talk of hers, or staff where she was holidaying.. Even from J Bryan's staff. 
I don't think that Di's contacts in the media were likely to tell her anyting.. MAYBE Richard Kay but in general I'm sure that they kept thteir professional secrets from her.  She was not their friend, she was their "money maker".  it is easy to say 20 years later that maybe or "very likely" it was Di who leaked the Fergie story, to take the heat off herself but I dotn think that proves it.  Its easy to say now 20 years after her death that she was having an affair with this guy or that...

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Quote from: TLLK on May 08, 2017, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 08, 2017, 05:49:26 AM
I just knew it. Richard Kay was bound to become a villain at some point in the Diana saga. Just goes to show that writing complimentary stuff  about Diana and telling her side of the story in the press is no guarantee that you are really on Diana's side. You have to do more to prove your loyalty. That article Richard Kay wrote was all wrong. He should have said that Diana was a victim of Sarah's machinations and that Diana only wanted to help when she shared the details with him. Diana had good intentions. It was Sarah's fault all along.

Also, that Sarah Ferguson should never have committed adultery, it was virtually unheard of in royal circles. put it past him, the guy is evil personified.

What a joke :notamused:
This was a very sad and sordid mess for all involved. One of the few times that I felt bad for Andrew because I do believe that he truly loved Sarah.
well He loved her, but I don't think the marriage was very good after a couple of years.  They seem to be good friends, but I don't think that they had al that much in common at heart and Sarah was QUITE unfit to be a princess. (Of course Andy often behaves in a pretty godawful way too- but -).  I think that Sarah semed to be more in tune with him than Di did with Charles because (a) she did enjoy country horsey life much more so fit in with the RF in general.. and (b) she took up Andy's interests much more than Diana did iwht Charles. she learned to fly etc so she could understand his work, and I think that in the early years she threw herself into "trying to fit inot his life" in her enthuasiasitc if ham fisted way. And she and he shared a storng physical attraction.  but I think that within a few years, the differences showed up more.  Andy didn't enjoy socialising.. he was arrogant and Fergie was friendly in general..
He wanted to stay home and watch golf videos and she wanted to go out. She over spent and neglected royal duties for fun, more and more. I think that over the years perhaps Andy has taken to dodge business deasl because he needs money to help her out..(though I'm sure some of it gets spent on him too).
I think she got less interested in trying to share his life, she turned ot other richer more "fun" men, she got resentful that Andy didn't stand up to her witht the courtiers etc.  And whne her affair with Wyatt became public and then the one with Bryan I think he was adamant that even if he still was fond of her he wanted a divorce.

sandy

Diana was immersed in the fallout from Morton so I doubt Sarah was much on her mind and I doubt she would have become a "secret agent" to "out" Fergie. Fergie did damage to herself. Nobody forced her to get involved with these "advisers." Fergie became mostly interested in the city and partying not the country as time went on. Diana was trying to get to know Charles by learning fishing. Fergie did the same thing by flying. Those "fun" men seemed rather blah to me.  I think Andrew and Fergie should have gotten marriage counseling or maybe royals think themselves above such things.

amabel

sarah didn't want to go on with the marriage, she reached a point where Andrew was irritating and boring her, thtough she was still fond of him, and she was fed up and unable to cocpe with the RF's routines and the demands of her public lfie and hurt by press criticism.
and when Andy saw the photos proviing her affairs, he wouldn't go on with it either

sandy

Too bad she did not just do some thinking and decide on marriage counseling and maybe hire a PR person to assist her.

amabel

I woudn't worry about her, she's a big girl and IMO she's never going to change..