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Title: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: wannable on March 24, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
QuoteTHE Duchess of Cornwall spoke publicly for the first time yesterday about her relationship with Kate Middleton and revealed the family's excitement as the royal wedding approaches.
Camilla, 63, has become close to Kate, 29, acting as a mentor to her stepson's fiancee in the run-up to the April 29 wedding.
"Kate's a lovely girl," she said. "We're very lucky. I'm very much looking forward to the wedding."


Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/236387/Camilla-Duchess-of-Cornwall-Kate-Middleton-is-lovely-and-we-re-very-luckyCamilla-Duchess-of-Cornwall-Kate-Middleton-is-lovely-and-we-re-very-lucky#ixzz1HTeyKbtw  

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Richard Palmer claims Mr.&Mrs. Middleton did join at the ballet as well.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 01:55:29 AM
Ii thought she spoke publicy at the time of the engagement The media should do Kate a favor and stop sayng Camilla is her mentor I think that role belngs to Carole

I think Camilla shoud mentor her own kids and leave Kate alone
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: BritishWannabe on March 24, 2011, 01:58:44 AM
I don't think there's anything wrong with Camilla giving Kate tips about how to deal with life with the royals. Precious few are in a position to tell her how it is really like.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 02:06:30 AM
Camila's history of how she got in  isn't exacty typical She had to be the Mistress first and wasn't considered good enough to have heirs for the prince

And she didn't raise Wiils I think it will erode Kate's popularity to be associated too much with Camila I think Camila is going tot try to control her the way she attempted to control Diana Camila is a classic manipuator I hope Kate is savvy enough to deal with this woman Camila as Kate's mentor just makes my skin crawl
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: BritishWannabe on March 24, 2011, 02:11:09 AM
She married into a strange famous family, Kate is now marrying into a strange famous family.

I don't think Cams will be as vindictive to Kate as she was to Diana. They're not competitors, and frankly Cam and Charles are getting on in years. I wouldn't be surprised if thy're quite happy with the media focusing on Will and kate.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 02:16:53 AM
If Kate crosses her I think she is quite capablle of vindictiveness

I think at least Charlles llikes center stage and I don't thnk he's content to sit back and just watch his son Camilla played up as Mentor I thnk is for Camilla's PR not Kate's
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on March 24, 2011, 03:06:59 AM
I agree that for  the BRF, Kate is  a   breathe of fresh  air along  with Edward marrying Sophie.
These  two  women, both  not  born of nobility, have  done positive  wonders  in terms  of  pr.

Cammy is not  needed  to "mentor" Kate.
I am  sure, I  HOPE William has  his  people  who  will mentor  her.  Seems like  so  far, she  has  done  just  fine.
I  think William has not  thrown  hwer  out  there  , and  won't  as  his  mother was. Without sounding  like  a  broken record, Diana  was  a child  bride  who  had insecuirities, a broken  home life in childhood,  and married  a guy  who  did  not  love  her, we know the  story.
Kate  is  a grown  adult woman  from a  home that  was  not  broken  and is  marrying  a  man  who  loves  her.
I think  William is far  better  at all aspects  of  mentoring  his  fiance than  Cammy can  ever be.
He did  not  marry  into  the  BRF  or be an  open secret.
Kate  has  a mother.  I  am sure if she wants  to discuss anything like her wedding  gown  now to when she decides to plan  on  a family, she  will  talk to  her  mother  just  as  Laura  Parker  Bowles , I am sure , did with  her  mother.

Sandy, I  totally  agree  with  you.
Camilla, ehh...skin crawling  when  you  think  about  her  playing  mother-in-law to Kate. Step-mother-in-law,cool. I  know the  official title.
I posted before  many  times,  I  really think  , believe Kate and Willam  are the real deal  as a couple.They  can  make  it  as  a  couple. I  have also  said, marriages are  work. Things  happen and change.
Good. Indifferent. Just life  like after  having  a  baby. Just  things.

Having Cammila  around,well,  sorry,but  her  rep  is  what it  is.  Histroy   repeating  itself mentoring  Kate  as  she did  Diana. Hmmm, maybe  she might  help William  in  a few years, you know, oh how  should  I  say, well, Lady  so  and  so...just"introduce them....perhaps  he might need  one of those "special  confidants."

Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on March 24, 2011, 04:07:33 AM
I had  no  idea  Sophie  was  mentioned  in a separate  article.  It  says  that she  is  Kate's mentor.
So  what  of  this  articles  is true  or  not?
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/212744/212744
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on March 24, 2011, 04:08:52 AM
"So she will know that Sophie is perfectly placed to help with the daunting prospect of becoming a princess, not least because they have so much in common. They both come from stable middle-class families (Sophie's father Christopher Rhys-Jones is a retired businessman) and like Kate Sophie was with her prince for eight years before they married."



Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/212744/212744Sophie-Wessex-is-Kate-Middleton-s-steadying-hand#ixzz1HUEhoKQj


That sounds right  to  me.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: BritishRoyals on March 24, 2011, 10:15:55 AM
Sophie would be a perfect candidate to help Kate adjust.

And I think it's lovely of the Duchess of Cornwall to say something like that. 
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 24, 2011, 12:34:45 PM
I believe both Camilla and Sophie have been mentoring Kate.  Kate's mother is not a good candidate in this situation since she's never been in it.  It's a stretch to imagine Camilla might want to compete with Kate and therefore stab her in the back.  It's another stretch to imagine that Kate would ever "cross" Camilla.  It's another stretch to imagine Charles will resent having to sit in the background.  The fact is that Charles will be Kate's father-in-law and Camilla will be her stepmother-in-law.  There is no reason to assume anything sinister is going or will be going on, or to assume there is PR involved.  They are a family coming together.  Why not be happy for them?

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: wannable on March 24, 2011, 12:40:10 PM
I agree Cindy, as I said in previous Camilla/Kate threads, it would be silly and a bad move to 'stab' W and/or K, they (C&C) must have learned from the past. The public/media will just turn against them IF they try anything remotely sinister.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: BritishRoyals on March 24, 2011, 01:24:05 PM
Of course the media would dream of spicing things up with Enquirer-like domestic drama,  but like Cindy & Wannabe said, I believe the RF at its core (not counting the courtiers and "grey men") are a lot more united than the press would like us to think.  And in it, united in their plans to:
-- improve the public's opinion of Charles & Camilla as the next king / queen or consort
-- shield William & Kate from excessive scrutiny
-- remedy Prince Andrew's image
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 01:45:08 PM
I think Camilla is out for No. 1 and she has no business mentoring Kate. This is frankly quite absurd. Like Tiger Woods giving marital advice to Wills.

Kate  needs to forge her own path not be a Camilla "disciple."  Camilla should look out for her own kids and grandchildren.

As I said cordiality is called for, but promoting Camilla as a mentor to Kate is laughable. IMO that is.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: wannable on March 24, 2011, 02:02:16 PM
"We're very Lucky", Camilla is the spokesperson for the Windsor family.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 02:06:05 PM
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Orchid on March 24, 2011, 02:18:44 PM
Since when?
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: wannable on March 24, 2011, 02:20:55 PM
She should have said "Kate Middleton is Lovely and I'm very lucky".  Seems PA also said a tidbit last night...
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 02:28:12 PM
I never knew any of the royals served as "official spokespeople". I thought courtiers did all the work.  Maybe Camilla gave herself a new title. I think this publicity for Camilla should be on the Charles and Camilla thread not Kate's.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Orchid on March 24, 2011, 02:31:17 PM
Claiming Camilla is the spokesperson for the entire royal family on the basis of one personal comment is a stretch too far.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: wannable on March 24, 2011, 02:42:44 PM
She should have spoken for herself, as in I am rather than we are.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Countess of Highgrove on March 24, 2011, 03:07:44 PM
I think the Duchess's comment was fine and I am happy to see her speaking out and supporting Kate.  :thumbsup:

As for the mentoring issue that Sandy mentioned, I think Camilla is the right one to offer advise and mentor Kate. A mentor is not normally a parent and in this case,Camilla knows far more about the inner workings of the RF then Carole would. In fact,Camilla would probably be able to tell Kate the good the bad and the ugly side of being a part of the firm, something that will be quite valuable.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
I disagree. I think Camilla is the Last Person to give Kate advice.  They can have friendly lunches but I find the idea of Kate being Camilla's mentoree somewhat appalling. I have a feeling Kate will get out of this "mentoring yoke" as soon as possible. I don't think Kate is stupid and is aware that this might hurt her popularity.

I think Camilla did her share of giving the "bad" and the "ugly" side to William's mother.

Camilla wormed her way into the Firm by sheer manipulation. Unless people want Kate to be a manipulative dishonest person, I am not getting the support for this woman as her mentor. Camila was better at breaking up marriages than helping them. IMO that is.

Kate had better look to Sophie.

I think Wills should shield Kate from being used in Camilla's own PR campaigns which iMO this obviiously is.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 24, 2011, 03:19:02 PM
Did Camilla say she is the spokesperson for the Windsor family?  She said "we're very lucky".  That doesn't mean she's speaking for them officially.  That just means that the family that she's a part of is happy about the wedding.  Jeez.  :blank:

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Countess of Highgrove on March 24, 2011, 03:21:59 PM
I understand where your coming from,Sandy, Mrs PB was never my  fav but the point is, she is a senior member of the RF whether we like it or not and it will benefit both her and Kate to get on well. While Sophie seem very likable and is close to HM, the imminent future of the Monarchy is Charles and Camilla so they will be one most appropriate ones to be mentoring and advising William and Kate.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
Camilla has not exactly been the model royal. She has had the lowest number of appearances of any of them.  She had come into the Firm in a very controversial way only 6 years ago. My point is that while cordiality between Kate and Camilla is desireable, packaging this woman as Kate's mentor is ridiculous.  Kate should and surely will have courtiers going over protocol with her and she will have a Lady in Waiting to Advise her. Diana herself did not have the Queen "teaching" her, she had Beckwith-Smith her Lady in Waiting as h er chief advisor in every aspect of royal protocol.  

I think Camilla is just trying to establish some sort of control over Kate like she did with Lady Diana. She also is promoting her own PR showing how "wise" she is. I think Camilla should have more tact and finesse something that seems to elude her. Her PR sort of hits people over the head.  She also had a very obvious photo op showing her "teaching Kate the ropes: over a very public dinner. Camilla IMO is not known for being subtle.

I think Camila is controversial to say the least and having herself blasted over the media as Kate's mentor I think is not doing anything for Camilla's or Kate's own images.  I think it will erode Kate's popularity.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Mike on March 24, 2011, 05:06:08 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369417/Royal-Wedding-Camilla-talks-publicly-stepdaughter-law-Kate-Middleton-time.html

This picture is just plain creepy.  Camilla "advised" a previous princess-to-be and is now on the next generation.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on March 24, 2011, 05:17:03 PM
Pro Camill  vs. Anti-Camill

We  can  go rounds  and  rounds    and  still  miss each  other's  valid points .
I agree  with  Sandy.
Once  again, Kate has  a  MOTHER!
I am sure Carole  advises her daughter  on  personal matters such as wedding  dress,  family  planning, makeup, and   that her  mother  is kept abreast  at every turn from her daughter about her daughter's life, etc. and  yes, does what  a  mother does  and  gives her  daughter good advice. Carole's advice sure  helped Kate this far with  Wiliam.  
Cameal has  a  daughter. Mentor  her. Isn't  Laura  a  titled  Lady by marriage?
Camil    is not Kate's mother. YES, Carole  is not  a  member  of BRF.
I  get  that.
Between Sophie, William  and Williams' handlers, I  think Kate  will be fine.
She has  a  senior member   of the BRF, PW, as her lead  mentor. Yeah,  I said  senior.  No,  he  is not  old,  but  he  ahs  been  a  member  far  longer  than  Camille  or  Sophie  and  he  was  born  into it.
Camile worming  and working  her  way  into  Kate , not  good.

Bottom line,  we none know.
Lets agree  to that.
We  none  know  if  Kate and William   bs with Cameal, but don't  really take her  word.
I would hope William has  seen the  pictures ,ugh.  I won't  even  mention that ancient history.
All I can say is time will tell.
We will find out within  two years  how this friendliest  mothering mentoring  Camile  and  Kate,  the new  girl with  the  Diana  factor,  will come along.

Yes, I do agree Camille 's  comment is very  nice.
Kate and Sophie are new faces,similair backgrounds, accomplished women who met, dated, married  their prince's  the right way, are smart, pretty,  lively, just  breathe's   of fresh  air.
They  are  making  bringing  the BRF some dignity.  Magic. They serve as  good  role models and  seem to work for  their life  of  privilege. They  are good ambassadors for the  UK.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on March 24, 2011, 05:52:01 PM
Camilla is Kates future mother in law she will have to be a replacement for Diana. She won't want to be seen as the Wicked Step Mother in Law.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 06:10:01 PM
There is no replacement for Diana who was Wills mother. No stepmother is a replacement for a beloved deceased mother. Besides which Camilla never raised WIlliam she married his father when WIlls was in his twenties. Camilla can keep a lower profile which I think would endear her more to the public than the current "I am Kate's mentor" showboating for the press.

Camilla didn't raise Wills so she can't cluck about what WIlls did as a baby or a child with Kate.  Camilla did gain some favorable notices by not trying to play "mother" to Harry and William. If she tries to be a "mother figure" at this late date I don't think it would exactly endear her to all of the public.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 24, 2011, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2011, 06:10:01 PM
There is no replacement for Diana who was Wills mother. No stepmother is a replacement for a beloved deceased mother. Besides which Camilla never raised WIlliam she married his father when WIlls was in his twenties. Camilla can keep a lower profile which I think would endear her more to the public than the current "I am Kate's mentor" showboating for the press.

I didn't meet my stepmother until I was 18 years old.  She didn't have to raise me ... I loved her anyway.  Not all stepmothers are mean and wicked.  Camilla is probably the least-liked Royal, but that doesn't change the fact that she will be Kate's stepmother-in-law in about a month.  They're going to see each other, speak to each other, socialize with each other, maybe call each other on the phone, Kate may ask her for advice, etc.   Nothing's going to change that.

QuoteCamilla didn't raise Wills so she can't cluck about what WIlls did as a baby or a child with Kate.  Camilla did gain some favorable notices by not trying to play "mother" to Harry and William. If she tries to be a "mother figure" at this late date I don't think it would exactly endear her to all of the public.

I don't believe Camilla is trying to be a mother-figure.  She's trying to help Kate along, just as Sophie is.  I'm sure she has no ideas of telling Baby William stories to Kate.  That would be Charles' job.  In fact, he probably already has. :)

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 24, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
However the relationship WIlliam has with Camilla,  she still doesn't have the same place in his heart that his mother Diana did IMO. Kate and WIlliam talked about Diana at the engagement announcement, not his stepmother. I think Wills and Harry accepted Camilla more for their father's sake and are cordial to her. However, I cannot help but think that both remember the role Camilla played in their mother's life. Maybe they don't hold it against her but I believe the memories are still there. She wasn't some little old lady who reappeared years later and married their father. She was with their father during his marriage to their mother.

Camila and Kate can talk on the phone everyday but I think the PR packaging her as Kate's mentor is a bit much. IMO of course.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Lady63 on March 24, 2011, 08:42:44 PM
I agree with you Sandy.  The reality is she was there for Diana, presented as a 'safe' friend, some friend she turned out to be.  Imho Camilla followed the saying of 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'.   Kate would be well advised to be very wary of someone with such a history.  I wouldn't put it past Camilla to begin a campaign to disstablise their marriage if it looks like they are becoming far more popular than Charles.  She disstablised Diana's marriage and reaped handsome rewards for it, I wouldn't put it past her to do the same to William's should it pose a problem for her and her chances of becoming HM The Queen Consort.  She has form.

Regards,
Lady63
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Trudie on March 24, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
Quote from: cinrit on March 24, 2011, 12:34:45 PM
I believe both Camilla and Sophie have been mentoring Kate.  Kate's mother is not a good candidate in this situation since she's never been in it.  It's a stretch to imagine Camilla might want to compete with Kate and therefore stab her in the back.  It's another stretch to imagine that Kate would ever "cross" Camilla.  It's another stretch to imagine Charles will resent having to sit in the background.  The fact is that Charles will be Kate's father-in-law and Camilla will be her stepmother-in-law.  There is no reason to assume anything sinister is going or will be going on, or to assume there is PR involved.  They are a family coming together.  Why not be happy for them?

Cindy

You have got to be kidding me. First off Camilla and Sophie do not really get along since Camilla has put down Sophie in terms of rank and Edward was not happy. Second it is no stretch that Camilla or Charles would not be capable of vindictivness especially if Kate receives the same response from the people that Diana did. As for Camilla and her mentoring well we see what it did for the marriage of Charles and Diana now don't we.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Trudie on March 24, 2011, 08:57:04 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on March 24, 2011, 05:52:01 PM
Camilla is Kates future mother in law she will have to be a replacement for Diana. She won't want to be seen as the Wicked Step Mother in Law.

Camilla is no replacement for Diana if Kate needs mentoring then she can watch old videos of Diana working her engagements and news articles. Diana left many images of how to be a successful POW. There are also the excellant biographies of past POW's Alexandra and
Mary that can teach her the role and last but not least Sophie or The York Princesses can show her the etiquettes expected at court at least they are close in age and have no agendas unlike Camilla. IMO Camilla is now turning this into a slap at Williams Mother playing Mother of the Groom it must really gall her to see Kate wearing Diana's ring.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on March 24, 2011, 10:05:31 PM
I agree with Sandy,Lady  63  and Trudie.

A  point Lady 63 made as far as the popularity  test  goes and the BRF  is  a popularity contest   is that Kate will have  some  of the  star  quality,  front and center attention  like  Diana  did.
Kate  is  fun,  young,  relatable, pretty, shapely,  mysterious  and  yet  open,  and  no  matter what, the big interest  about  her  has started  officially and  won't  stop. There was buzz about her when  they  were  dating,  but  dating  no  matter  how  long  is  not  engaged  and  marrying.
Ahh  ,wait  for  the  baby  announcements.  Kate is  here. I  have  said  before if PW  did  not to marry a girl like  her, then he  should  not  have.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Lady of Hay on March 24, 2011, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Trudie on March 24, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
Second it is no stretch that Camilla or Charles would not be capable of vindictivness especially if Kate receives the same response from the people that Diana did.

Maybe Camilla was the one who advised Kate not to pay for her parking.  :shifty:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 24, 2011, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2011, 08:16:29 PM
However the relationship WIlliam has with Camilla,  she still doesn't have the same place in his heart that his mother Diana did IMO. Kate and WIlliam talked about Diana at the engagement announcement, not his stepmother.

I think imaginations are coming way out of left field now.  No one ... not even Camilla or Charles ... has suggested that Camilla is trying to replace Diana in William's heart. 

Quote from: Lady63 Posted on: Today at 03:42:44 PM
I wouldn't put it past Camilla to begin a campaign to disstablise their marriage if it looks like they are becoming far more popular than Charles.  She disstablised Diana's marriage and reaped handsome rewards for it, I wouldn't put it past her to do the same to William's should it pose a problem for her and her chances of becoming HM The Queen Consort.  She has form.

This is a joke, right?  I couldn't, in my wildest imagination, picture Camilla trying to "disestablish" (I assume you mean annul?) William and Kate's marriage!  Good heavens, the woman is not Cruella DeVille.

Quote from: Trudie Posted on: Today at 03:47:29 PM
You have got to be kidding me. First off Camilla and Sophie do not really get along since Camilla has put down Sophie in terms of rank and Edward was not happy. Second it is no stretch that Camilla or Charles would not be capable of vindictivness especially if Kate receives the same response from the people that Diana did.

I'm not sure what I said that you think I'm kidding you, but I assure you, I'm not kidding about anything I've said.  Was it that they're a family and we should be happy for them?  If so, I stand by that.  As for Camilla and Sophie not getting along because "Camilla put down Sophie in terms of rank", it's not up to Camilla to have anything to do with rank, either up or down ... and I've seen photos of Camilla and Sophie together, looking pretty chummy.

Quote from: FanDianaFancy Posted on: Today at 05:05:31 PM
Ahh  ,wait  for  the  baby  announcements.  Kate is  here. I  have  said  before if PW  did  not to marry a girl like  her, then he  should  not  have.

I'm not sure what you meant, FanDianaFancy.  Did you leave out a word ... "if PW did not WANT to marry ... "?  If so, I'm at a complete loss what that could mean. :hmm:

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on March 24, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
What  I mean  is  a  kind of  girl like  Kate  is  one  lively, full of personality, relatable,  and pretty.
There would be  way  less interests  to  none  if  had  chosen a titled  girl  by birth ,dull in  perosnality,   and  one very  homely.
I know this is not  politically correct to someone  is  homely looking.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Lady63 on March 25, 2011, 12:58:38 AM
Quote from: Lady63 Posted on: Today at 03:42:44 PM
I wouldn't put it past Camilla to begin a campaign to disstablise their marriage if it looks like they are becoming far more popular than Charles.  She disstablised Diana's marriage and reaped handsome rewards for it, I wouldn't put it past her to do the same to William's should it pose a problem for her and her chances of becoming HM The Queen Consort.  She has form.

This is a joke, right?  I couldn't, in my wildest imagination, picture Camilla trying to "disestablish" (I assume you mean annul?) William and Kate's marriage!  Good heavens, the woman is not Cruella DeVille  -  Cinrit


Oops my bad I meant 'destablise', not 'disstablise'  and yes, I believe she would go that far.  She meddle in the marriage of Charles and Diana, why wouldn't she do it to William and Kate's if she saw that it was to her advantage.  The woman has imho no morals, no sense of what is right or proper or approprate.  She wanted to turn up to the memorial for a woman she utterly depised and throught was a 'ridiculous creature'.   Sorry but I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her and imho neither should Kate or William. 

They playground is about to change, once William and Kate establish themselves and have a family, it will be them the people look to as the future, not C&C.  People want young and modern, it's just the way it is.

Regards,
lady63
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Trudie on March 25, 2011, 01:08:28 AM
Quote from: Lady of Hay on March 24, 2011, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Trudie on March 24, 2011, 08:47:29 PM
Second it is no stretch that Camilla or Charles would not be capable of vindictivness especially if Kate receives the same response from the people that Diana did.

Maybe Camilla was the one who advised Kate not to pay for her parking.  :shifty:

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I read that at that lunch they had Camilla advised her to have the foi gras knowing that Charles has banned that from his menus because of the inhuman treatment of the animal to make it. I'm sure that went over big with Charles when he read that.
Camilla is as cunning and sly as a fox she makes sure that she looks out for numero uno.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princesse Grace on March 25, 2011, 01:12:53 AM
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2011, 02:06:30 AM
Camila's history of how she got in  isn't exacty typical She had to be the Mistress first and wasn't considered good enough to have heirs for the prince

And she didn't raise Wiils I think it will erode Kate's popularity to be associated too much with Camila I think Camila is going tot try to control her the way she attempted to control Diana Camila is a classic manipuator I hope Kate is savvy enough to deal with this woman Camila as Kate's mentor just makes my skin crawl
Agree :clap: :goodpost:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: fleur on March 25, 2011, 12:06:15 PM
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on March 24, 2011, 11:04:33 PM
What  I mean  is  a  kind of  girl like  Kate  is  one  lively, full of personality, relatable,  and pretty.
There would be  way  less interests  to  none  if  had  chosen a titled  girl  by birth ,dull in  perosnality,   and  one very  homely.
I know this is not  politically correct to someone  is  homely looking.

The reason why people have an interest in her is because she is marrying the heir of the heir.The british public is getting a new member and with everything new it eventually will wear off . I don't know how close William is with Camilla , but i doubt he will let Camilla be the one do the mentoring.Kate will have William's staff doing that for her.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 01:00:41 PM
Quote from: fleur on March 25, 2011, 12:06:15 PM
The reason why people have an interest in her is because she is marrying the heir of the heir.The british public is getting a new member and with everything new it eventually will wear off . I don't know how close William is with Camilla , but i doubt he will let Camilla be the one do the mentoring.Kate will have William's staff doing that for her.

For better or worse, Camilla (as well as Sophie) has been mentoring Kate, and William obviously is "allowing" it.

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: SophieChloe on March 25, 2011, 01:04:29 PM
How William can stomach being near Camilla - is way beyond me.  She caused such misery to his Mother. 
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 01:04:29 PM
How William can stomach being near Camilla - is way beyond me.  She caused such misery to his Mother. 

Just my own opinion, but it seems that people who have nothing to do with the situation have a much harder time accepting it than those who are living it.

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 25, 2011, 01:19:51 PM
I somehow don't think Wills is all warm and fuzzy with Camilla. I think he is cordial to her and accepts her for his dad's sake and to keep the peace in the family. But I don't think it's a big love fest with her. But I think her parading around being Kate's mentor is rather sickening, IMO that is.

As fleur said, Kate will have staff to show her the ropes like Beckwith Smith who mentored Diana. I think Camilla is putting on a show, she IMO is rather lazy and won't do much work "mentoring" just a show for the media for her own PR.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princesse Grace on March 25, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
Agree.
I think Camilla should be in a second place, and do not give advices to anyone. :thumbsup:
:goodpost: sandy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: SophieChloe on March 25, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
Quote from: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 01:04:29 PM
How William can stomach being near Camilla - is way beyond me.  She caused such misery to his Mother. 

Just my own opinion, but it seems that people who have nothing to do with the situation have a much harder time accepting it than those who are living it.

Cindy
Maybe  :shrug:- However - the misery that Camilla and Charles caused, ultimately led to Diana's death - If Camilla had kept away, they, Charles and Diana might have stood a fighting chance in their marriage - but obviously not - she was always there in the background - If I were William, I'd have nothing to do with her - full stop.  But I concede this is not a normal family and William probably does what he has to do with regard to Camilla !  : :)
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princesse Grace on March 25, 2011, 04:49:09 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
Quote from: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 01:04:29 PM
How William can stomach being near Camilla - is way beyond me.  She caused such misery to his Mother. 

Just my own opinion, but it seems that people who have nothing to do with the situation have a much harder time accepting it than those who are living it.

Cindy
Maybe  :shrug:- However - the misery that Camilla and Charles caused, ultimately led to Diana's death - If Camilla had kept away, they, Charles and Diana might have stood a fighting chance in their marriage - but obviously not - she was always there in the background - If I were William, I'd have nothing to do with her - full stop.  But I concede this is not a normal family and William probably does what he has to do with regard to Camilla !  : :)
Agree! :clap: :goodpost:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princesse Grace on March 25, 2011, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 01:04:29 PM
How William can stomach being near Camilla - is way beyond me.  She caused such misery to his Mother. 
:goodpost:
Yes,I can not bear Camilla and Diana was not my mom,so imagine if I was daughter of Diana..... :windsor:  :catfight:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: missing diana on March 25, 2011, 05:38:01 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2011, 03:27:56 PMKate should and surely will have courtiers going over protocol with her and she will have a Lady in Waiting to Advise her. Diana herself did not have the Queen "teaching" her, she had Beckwith-Smith her Lady in Waiting as h er chief advisor in every aspect of royal protocol. 

I think Camilla is just trying to establish some sort of control over Kate like she did with Lady Diana.  :nono: She also is promoting her own PR showing how "wise" she is. I think Camilla should have more tact and finesse something that seems to elude her. Her PR sort of hits people over the head.  She also had a very obvious photo op showing her "teaching Kate the ropes: over a very public dinner. Camilla IMO is not known for being subtle.

I think Camila is controversial to say the least and having herself blasted over the media as Kate's mentor I think is not doing anything for Camilla's or Kate's own images.  I think it will erode Kate's popularity.

Very well stated I agree. 
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Kim-buh-lee on March 25, 2011, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
I disagree. I think Camilla is the Last Person to give Kate advice.  They can have friendly lunches but I find the idea of Kate being Camilla's mentoree somewhat appalling. I have a feeling Kate will get out of this "mentoring yoke" as soon as possible. I don't think Kate is stupid and is aware that this might hurt her popularity.

I think Camilla did her share of giving the "bad" and the "ugly" side to William's mother.

Camilla wormed her way into the Firm by sheer manipulation. Unless people want Kate to be a manipulative dishonest person, I am not getting the support for this woman as her mentor. Camila was better at breaking up marriages than helping them. IMO that is.

Kate had better look to Sophie.

I think Wills should shield Kate from being used in Camilla's own PR campaigns which iMO this obviiously is.

I agree. Kate should not take Camilla's advice. Sophie is a way better choice.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Jenee on March 25, 2011, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
Kate had better look to Sophie.

I agree - Sophie would be a great mentor for Kate!
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
the misery that Camilla and Charles caused, ultimately led to Diana's death -

I am just as sad that Diana is no longer with us.  And I cried just as hard as the rest of you the day she died.  But the only person responsible for Diana's death is the driver of the car who chose to recklessly speed when he was full of alcohol and prescription pills.  I'm going to add the lack of seat belts, as well.  The only person who survived that crash was the one who was wearing his seat belt.

Quote from: sandy Posted on March 24, 2011, 10:27:56 AM
I think Camila is controversial to say the least and having herself blasted over the media as Kate's mentor I think is not doing anything for Camilla's or Kate's own images.  I think it will erode Kate's popularity. 

It hasn't so far. 

Quote from: Jenee on: Today at 12:51:19 PM
I agree - Sophie would be a great mentor for Kate!

I agree that Sophie is a great mentor for Kate.  Supposedly, she is helping her.  They're closer in age, and hopefully in temperament.  But Camilla does have experience and insight that could be helpful.  Just because we're not crazy about her doesn't mean that she means any harm to Kate, or that Kate will be disliked because she interacts with her stepmother-in-law.

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Pamela on March 25, 2011, 06:27:03 PM
Quote from: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
the misery that Camilla and Charles caused, ultimately led to Diana's death -

I am just as sad that Diana is no longer with us.  And I cried just as hard as the rest of you the day she died.  But the only person responsible for Diana's death is the driver of the car who chose to recklessly speed when he was full of alcohol and prescription pills.  I'm going to add the lack of seat belts, as well.  The only person who survived that crash was the one who was wearing his seat belt.

Quote from: sandy Posted on March 24, 2011, 10:27:56 AM
I think Camila is controversial to say the least and having herself blasted over the media as Kate's mentor I think is not doing anything for Camilla's or Kate's own images.  I think it will erode Kate's popularity. 

It hasn't so far. 

Quote from: Jenee on: Today at 12:51:19 PM
I agree - Sophie would be a great mentor for Kate!

I agree that Sophie is a great mentor for Kate.  Supposedly, she is helping her.  They're closer in age, and hopefully in temperament.  But Camilla does have experience and insight that could be helpful.  Just because we're not crazy about her doesn't mean that she means any harm to Kate, or that Kate will be disliked because she interacts with her stepmother-in-law.

Cindy
I agree with your views here. If PW & PH can get along with Camilla, I think the rest of us should take note and unwind (meaning lose the tension) about all that's happened in the past. No one has to like her or be her number one fan (I'm certainly not), but the level of animosity needs to decrease. It doesn't benefit anyone to stay angry and agitated about the past. I'm not saying "forget what happened", but I do think finding some peaceful accommodation with the present is a good idea. At least, that's what I've done, and for me, that feels better.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on March 25, 2011, 07:02:23 PM
William and Harry love their father so the accept everything that has gone on in the past and have forgiven I would say.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: wannable on March 25, 2011, 07:51:02 PM
Yes, Camilla did say Kate is lovely and she is looking forward to the wedding. I heard her at Covent Garden Academy of Flowers.
about 1 hour ago via web

Judy Wade
Hello! Magazine
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Jenee on March 25, 2011, 09:09:39 PM
Quote from: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
[I agree that Sophie is a great mentor for Kate.  Supposedly, she is helping her.  They're closer in age, and hopefully in temperament.  But Camilla does have experience and insight that could be helpful.  Just because we're not crazy about her doesn't mean that she means any harm to Kate, or that Kate will be disliked because she interacts with her stepmother-in-law.

Agreed :)
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: missing diana on March 25, 2011, 09:32:44 PM
Quote from: Jenee on March 25, 2011, 05:51:19 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 24, 2011, 03:12:51 PM
Kate had better look to Sophie.

I agree - Sophie would be a great mentor for Kate!

Hear hear !!
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: dianab on March 25, 2011, 09:37:02 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 04:24:28 PM
Quote from: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: sophiechloe on March 25, 2011, 01:04:29 PM
How William can stomach being near Camilla - is way beyond me.  She caused such misery to his Mother.  

Just my own opinion, but it seems that people who have nothing to do with the situation have a much harder time accepting it than those who are living it.

Cindy
Maybe  :shrug:- However - the misery that Camilla and Charles caused, ultimately led to Diana's death - If Camilla had kept away, they, Charles and Diana might have stood a fighting chance in their marriage - but obviously not - she was always there in the background - If I were William, I'd have nothing to do with her - full stop.  But I concede this is not a normal family and William probably does what he has to do with regard to Camilla !  : :)
Completely agree.
Have a lot persons loves rewrite the history, but the facts are well-known, as Camilla select Diana, as she made campaign via-The Sun against Diana, since early 1980s, on, on, on, on.
Aren't only common persons have this idea about Charles & Camilla.
Taki Theodoracopulos a man know the creme-de-la-crema of High Society, share the same ideas of common persons;
http://takimag.com/article/diana_deserves_better
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Anyone else here saw a autralian show about royals, with comments by James Whitaker, I think the chanel is named ITV, he said William & Harry dont bear Camilla, and since of new marriage of Charles, the sons dont spent holiday or anything with Charles. William choice spend all his free time with Kate's family and Harry in Africa/with Chelsy. He also said William and Harry talked about Camilla only what they are told talk.
James Whitaker said this things in show in day of announcement of engagement.
If anyone else here can more info??? I could send comments of australian poster I read in another royal forum
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: dianab on March 25, 2011, 09:37:02 PM
Anyone else here saw a autralian show about royals, with comments by James Whitaker, I think the chanel is named ITV, he said William & Harry dont bear Camilla, and since of new marriage of Charles, the sons dont spent holiday or anything with Charles. William choice spend all his free time with Kate's family and Harry in Africa/with Chelsy. He also said William and Harry talked about Camilla only what they are told talk.
James Whitaker said this things in show in day of announcement of engagement.
If anyone else here can more info??? I could send comments of australian poster I read in another royal forum

Comments of a poster in another forum doesn't prove anything except that that poster has an opinion.  Many forums also have a rule against re-posting anything a member of that forum writes. 

We talked about James Whitaker in another section a few months ago.  James Whitaker does not live with the Royal Family.  He doesn't know whether or not William and Harry speak to Camilla only when told to, or if they truly like Camilla like they said they do ... nor has Roger Whitaker taken into consideration that at the ages that William and Harry are, most young men don't hang out with their parents.  They hang out with their girlfriends and their girlfriends' families.  It's nothing new, it's not unusual.  (And of course, there were all those pictures of William and Harry on skiing vacations with Charles not too many years ago.)  I don't know much about James Whitaker, but I know he didn't show a lot of class by saying these things on the day William's and Kate's engagement was announced. 

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on March 25, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
Cindy hes a  jouranlist,  he has to write something!  I would think better of Will and Harry if they were a bit cool iwth Camilla.  I dont expect them to hate her, but I've always felt uncomfortable with the way they wnet on over the wedding.  I think you're right in that tehy are probalby freindly enough with her but they are young men with their own lives to lead and aren't hanging out iwth Dad and step mum all the time.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: amabel on March 25, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
Cindy hes a  jouranlist,  he has to write something!  I would think better of Will and Harry if they were a bit cool iwth Camilla.  I dont expect them to hate her, but I've always felt uncomfortable with the way they wnet on over the wedding.  I think you're right in that tehy are probalby freindly enough with her but they are young men with their own lives to lead and aren't hanging out iwth Dad and step mum all the time.

Right ... I know who he is now because we had that discussion about him a few months ago when I found that very long article about Diana written by him (which wasn't very flattering).  I still find it tacky that he would make such comments on William's and Kate's happy day.  He doesn't hang out with any of the Royals, so I take whatever he says with a grain of salt.  When I think of all the dysfunctional families in the world today, I'm glad that William and Harry aren't cool towards Camilla, and that they get along with her and maybe like her very much.  The children of broken marriages should not be drawn into the drama surrounding the parents, nor encouraged to take sides.  I can't imagine why anyone would want William and Harry to be unhappy.  I hope that both boys are able to put aside the quarrels, the infidelities, the betrayals of both parents and the step-parent, and be happy that their father is happy.  They say they are, and I believe them.

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 26, 2011, 01:05:12 AM
The boys were grown men when their father and Camilla wed. It wasn't like she raised them or anything, they had their own lives. Nobody knows how the boysreally  feel about Camilla. I think they are cordial to her for the sake of their father and to keep peace within the family. But I think they realize the effect Camilla had on their mother--they may forgive but not forget the pain their mother went through.  As I said Camilla was advised or thought better than acting as a replacement fr their mother. I think she should keep this attitude up and not behave like a surrogate mother or present herself s "mentor" to Kate. Camilla is controversial and Kate should not be too closely associated with the woman s a sort of "disciple." Camilla is not paragon of royal duty since he has done the least royal duties of the immedite family and she got into the familiy by manipulation and hurting themother of the two boys. If Camilla gets too pushy and arrogant I think she will undo some of the gains she has made via her spin campaign. SHe did lose some points by saying she was going to the Diana memoril ad only backing out at the last minute due to public pressure.

Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on March 26, 2011, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: cinrit on March 25, 2011, 10:54:22 PM
Quote from: amabel on March 25, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
lead and aren't hanging out iwth Dad and step mum all the time.

Right ... I know who he is now because we had that discussion about him a few months ago when I found that very long article about Diana written by him (which wasn't very flattering).  I still find it tacky that he would make such comments on William's and Kate's happy day.  He doesn't hang out with any of the Royals, so I take whatever he says with a grain of salt.  When I think of all the dysfunctional families in the world today, I'm glad that William and Harry aren't cool towards Camilla,

Cindy

well- I think that he is in the main pretty sympathetic to Diana.. which is why he's probalby inclined to statet that W and Harry aren't all that close to Cam. IIRC you showed me that artcile, but I dont see it as not sympathtetic to her.  I  think it was just honest.  He was fond of her, I think, many of the "old school" reporters who followed her from her earliest days were bascically fond of her, even if they soemtimes thoguht she did somthing wrong... (and anyway no reporter is gong to always write nice things about soemone, it woudl get boring).
I think he  is reasonably well up on the RF's goings on... so his POV is at least likely ot have some truth in it.
I jsut feel that while I dont see Camilla as the most evil woman in the world, she did however hurt Diana.  So did Charles.  I think that the break up of thte marrige was probalby inevitable and of ocuse people are oging to get hurt, esp the children.  ANd I know that the boys have had to come to terms iwth Charles' remarriage - just as they might have had to come to terms with Diana's remarriage at some point.  But I have just alway felt that they didn't say very much when many of Di's staff were writing their nasty books about her, and while I appreciate that they weren't going to say anything to indicate that they weren't happy wiht the remarriage ot Camilla, they rather took it too far with the "I love her to bits" comments. IMO
I dont know what the exact truth is and I dont think that they dislike her... You're probalby right in that they have it seems "not taken sides".  I just feel that there's a happy medium between being downirhgt cool and saying "love her to bits".  of course time has passed and bitterness shoudl be put aside.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 03:41:12 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/talbot-church-jealousy-stalks-kate-barbie-middleton-2249933.html
Not sue if you have this moderators but posting hereas think it's relevant to Camilla
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Mike on March 26, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 03:41:12 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/talbot-church-jealousy-stalks-kate-barbie-middleton-2249933.html
Not sue if you have this moderators but posting hereas think it's relevant to Camilla
From the article:
QuoteMore surprisingly to many, the Duchess of Cornwall has also had difficulty with the new-found celebrity of Kate Middleton. Feet-on-the-ground Camilla may be less highly-strung than her predecessor, but she has always hoped to be the royal whose straightforward manner connected to the people.
Move over Camilla.  An honorable lady is coming onto the stage.

From the article:
QuoteRoyal insiders recall that it was an astrologer who caused problems in Charles's own first marriage when he told Princess Diana that her marriage would last a lifetime.
That's right.  Blame an astrologer.  What else was a young bride in love to believe?
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on March 26, 2011, 06:21:10 PM
I have no idea why you think Kate is "honourable" per se.  I dont know anyting particularly bad of her, but I dont know anything particularly good of her either.  The most notable thing about her seems to be that she's waited years for William and seen off any competititon.  and other than that seh's about as bland as she can be.  And I dont see that either seh or Will has any qualities that will outshine his father and setp mother since tehy DONT AFAICS appeal greatly to people their own age (they are more interested in pop stars and TV celebs than in the RF).
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 06:59:52 PM
Camilla probably comes out tops for sheer determination of waiting and seeing orf the competition just like Kate
Camilla is not boring or bland like Kate in personality
I reckon you could have a a good laugh with old Cam at a party, what you get is what you see. Not sure about Kate she is coming across as twee.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on March 26, 2011, 07:09:52 PM
I'd rather have Kate than Camilla arund As bland as she may be Kate never was a homewrecker. she and WIlls come in with a clean slate which is a good thing for the monarchy.

Camilla did a whole lot more than wait she undermined Diana doing her all to see she would hang in there with the Prince no matter what. I think she is self centered to the nth degree and didn't care what she did t end up where she is today. I find nothing at all admirable about Camillla.

Yep Camilla is a barrel of laughs. I doubt Diana thought so.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Ben on March 26, 2011, 07:19:34 PM
Camilla, what are you? We don't care what you have to say. Kate is nothing like that.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Dundee Me on March 26, 2011, 09:02:11 PM
What Talbot Church wrote was definitely tongue-in-cheek.  ;)
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 10:10:14 PM
I was a big Diana fan make no mistake and it takes two to tango.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20110326-270296.html
O well that will go down well with Camilla
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Lothwen on March 26, 2011, 10:36:37 PM
Oh for goodness sakes :rant:

Kate and Camilla went out to lunch once that we have undeniable proof of.  We don't know what they talked about, that is all hearsay.  When Camilla said "We are lucky to have her" that didn't establish Camilla as the official spokesperson for the Royal Family, nor did it establish her as Kate's mentor.  I'll be honest with you, whenever I use we as opposed to I that usually means that I myself am not included in that statement, but I am trying to be politically correct.

If anyone is mentoring Kate for her role in the RF it should be William.  Camilla has her own children, and grandchildren, and Sophie has her own family as well. 
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Iseult on March 27, 2011, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20110326-270296.html
O well that will go down well with Camilla
Of course Charles is going to be the next king. The whole point of the British monarchy is that one follows the other in orderly fashion, except of course when someone declines to do the job as with the late Duke of Windsor. This isn't a talent show or a popularity contest, where people vote for their favourite royal to get to the final and go on to win. If William were offered the top spot while Charles was still alive and healthy enough to reign, he'd turn it down, absolutely no question about that. Anyone who cares two straws for William wouldn't even dream of putting him in that position, they'd understand instinctively that he really loves his father and would never usurp him. Plus, of course, anyone who likes him and/or Kate would never want to force the responsibilities of monarchy on them sooner than necessary, they'd want him to have the freedom of not being monarch for a long time to come.

The British monarchy will continue while it sticks to traditional ways of doing things; yes, it has had to change and adapt in many ways, but it's the underlying permanence of it as a family with a clear-cut line of succssion that gives it stability in a constantly changing world. Tyrants are toppled and governments thrown out of power all over the world, our own government here in Britain isn't immune to these changes, but the royal family and the role of head of state are constants in the middle of it all. We anticipate that Charles will succeed the Queen (unless he dies before her which is unlikely), that William will succeed Charles, and that William and Kate's son or daughter will succeed him, and so on ... Yes, there may be changes not yet foreseen, but the permanence of our royal family and the position of head of state as a member of that family is something the British people as a whole prefer to any other system.

So, to wind up a too-long post, Charles will be King, Camilla will be Queen but will probably use some other title, and in time William will be King and Kate his Queen. Meantime, if Camilla is glad Kate is joining the family, that sounds pretty positive to me. Why anyone would want it to be otherwise I don't know. Camilla is William's father's wife, the woman he loves, so if she gets on well with William's wife that seems to auger well for family harmony for the future. I sometimes feel that instead of wanting them all to get on well together, some people would be happier if they were all fighting like the Ewings of Dallas! The fighting's over, all done and dusted, and having heard many people's opinions of the forthcoming wedding and the future for the royal family, I think things are more positive for them as a whole than they've been for a very long time. The royal wedding, the Queen's diamond jubilee, hopes for a royal baby to secure the line of succession ... what's there to be gloomy about?
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Post by: sandy on March 27, 2011, 12:49:18 PM
Well what else would Camilla say publicly about Kate that she disikes her? It's what happens behind palace doors that is the issue I think Kate better watch her back

Camilla  was in tthe midst of Chare and WIlls mum's marriage and the third person in it

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Post by: sandy on March 27, 2011, 12:54:11 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 10:10:14 PM
I was a big Diana fan make no mistake and it takes two to tango.


Dont frget that DIana was in the same position as Kate is now SHe had that woman trying to mentor her and gues what happened on the surface Camilla was her guide but undermining her every step of the way. I think Camilla looks after No 1 first and beware if she's crossed.

Back then with lady Diana it took one to tango Camila was in control

Had that Parker Bowles not interfered it woud be Diana out and about with Kate
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Post by: sandy on March 27, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 27, 2011, 12:54:11 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 10:10:14 PM
I was a big Diana fan make no mistake and it takes two to tango.


Remember that DIana was in the same psitiln as Kate is now SHe had that woman trying to mentor her and gues what hppened on the surface Camilla was her guide but undermining her every step of the way. I think Camilla looks after No 1 first and beware if she's crossed.

Back then with lady Diana it took one to tango Camila was in control
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Post by: cinrit on March 27, 2011, 01:02:34 PM
Quote from: sandy on March 27, 2011, 12:49:18 PM
Well what else would Camilla say publicly about Kate that she disikes her? It's what happens behind palace doors that is the issue I think Kate better watch her back

There is no reason in the world to think that Kate had better watch her back.  There is no reason in the world to think that Camilla doesn't mean exactly what she says. :)

QuoteCamilla  was in tthe midst of Chare and WIlls mum's marriage and the third person in it

Yes, we know.  But this is not about Charles and Diana's marriage.

Cindy
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Post by: sandy on March 27, 2011, 01:11:47 PM
Camilla is manipulative and from the letters she wrote that became public backstabbed her own husband to the prince  She didn't get where she is today without these sklils not by being "nice" to everybody imo that is I think she was a false friend to Diana for obvious reasons

I think Kate needs to be cautious play the game but be cautious
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Post by: Mike on April 01, 2011, 12:34:36 AM
I wonder if Camilla has any reaction to seeing Diana's ring on Kate's finger.
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Post by: cinrit on April 01, 2011, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Mike on April 01, 2011, 12:34:36 AM
I wonder if Camilla has any reaction to seeing Diana's ring on Kate's finger.

I hope not.  Camilla's engagement ring once belonged to Charles' grandmother, so she should understand why a young man would want his fiancee to wear his mother's engagement ring.

Cindy
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Post by: amabel on April 01, 2011, 01:30:30 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 01, 2011, 10:45:20 AM
Quote from: Mike on April 01, 2011, 12:34:36 AM
I wonder if Camilla has any reaction to seeing Diana's ring on Kate's finger.

I hope not.  Camilla's engagement ring once belonged to Charles' grandmother, so she should understand why a young man would want his fiancee to wear his mother's engagement ring.

Cindy
I shouldn't say so either.  She's problaby liek most second wives, occasionally it may be not soemthing you wnat, to see a reminder of your predecessor but I am sur that Camilla does not waste her time "reacting" over every little thing
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Post by: sandy on April 01, 2011, 01:33:58 PM
Well it's history repeating itself. In her note to Diana asking her to lunch she said she wanted to see the "ring." Diana was suspicious that Camilla knew so much about her relationship with Charles as a result. Camilla saw the "ring" at lunch with Diana. IMO Camilla could not help but think of the lunch she had with Lady Diana seeing the very same ring that Kate is wearing.
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Post by: amabel on April 01, 2011, 01:37:09 PM
Do you really think that Camilla spends her time thinking about Diana
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Post by: sandy on April 01, 2011, 01:47:00 PM
I think unless she is totally thick, seeing the ring Lady Diana wore would trigger memories. If she didn't have deja vu maybe she's losing her memory. Why wouldn't it trigger memories Amabel? It's an iconic ring and unless Camilla's seriously losing her memory, she of course would remember it and when she first saw it (she after all had an "up close and personal" look at it and Camilla DID vet Diana as a suitable bride for Prince Charles and invited her to Bolehyde for weekends with Charles).

And should she have forgotten, William certainly made an issue of the origin of "the ring" during the engagement interview. Camilla would have to be thick or in total denial NOT to think about who wore the ring before Kate did.
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Post by: cinrit on April 01, 2011, 03:59:28 PM
^^ Obviously, she knows that the ring belonged to Diana, but I doubt that it made her react in any way.  She, like most people, have put everything in the past ... where it belongs. 

Cindy
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Post by: Trudie on April 01, 2011, 04:12:30 PM
But of course when Camilla would have put everything in the past 6 years ago when she finally bagged Charles but now William is dredging up the past by giving her Diana's ring somehow history does comes back to bite you. One can be sure Camilla is probably worried that her past is re emerging despite the spin to rehabilitate her.
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Post by: SophieChloe on April 01, 2011, 04:13:36 PM
I don't think Camilla gives the ring a second thought. She doesn't strike me as the sort of person that would care or have a sentimental bone in her body, she has Charles now - mind you, she always did.  Poor Diana - she never stood a chance - so sad.  
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Post by: Princess Pea on April 01, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
I have socialised with some pretty hard nut to crack aristos in my time and I think you will find that Camilla has a shell like a nut.
As for that ring well it will feel like Diana is there in spirit, I can't help but feel a new engagement ring should have been given. I mean I don't think I would have been happy receiving my mother in laws engagement ring, as my mother in law went through an upsetting broken marriage. I sometimes wonder what William was thinking of when he gave her that ring.
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Post by: Trudie on April 01, 2011, 09:11:32 PM
It is just possible that Kate was thrilled that William chose to give her that ring that Diana herself picked out and took it as a complement to her that he would give something that was so personal to his beloved mother.
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Post by: amabel on April 01, 2011, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on April 01, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
As for that ring well it will feel like Diana is there in spirit, I can't help but feel a new engagement ring should have been given. I mean I don't think I would have been happy receiving my mother in laws engagement ring, as my mother in law went through an upsetting broken marriage. I sometimes wonder what William was thinking of when he gave her that ring.
I agree.  had it been a happy marriage it woudl have been different, but it wasn't.  there are plnety of ways he can remmber his mother....
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Post by: sandy on April 02, 2011, 01:17:30 AM
William was one of the products of the marriage I don't thihk he feels the marriage a tota disaster considering he and Harry were born as a resut of it
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Post by: cinrit on April 02, 2011, 11:11:07 AM
I'm sure William and Harry love both their parents equally well.  It's commendable that they didn't play one against the other, and though I'm sure they've heard most of the stories surrounding the marriage, they don't seem to hold anything against either of their parents.  Good for them.

Cindy
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Post by: juliathegreat on April 03, 2011, 01:01:54 AM
lip service from camilla parker bowles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :doh: :yesss:
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Post by: FanDianaFancy on April 04, 2011, 05:17:07 AM
Quote from: sandy on April 01, 2011, 01:33:58 PM
Well it's history repeating itself. In her note to Diana asking her to lunch she said she wanted to see the "ring." Diana was suspicious that Camilla knew so much about her relationship with Charles as a result. Camilla saw the "ring" at lunch with Diana. IMO Camilla could not help but think of the lunch she had with Lady Diana seeing the very same ring that Kate is wearing.
Oh-oh,I  disgree with  sandy.

A first, LOL!!

I  don't  Camilla  cares  one  way  or less.
Her life is set. Queen  Camilla will reign.  Diana did a favor by dying.
Life's  good.
Now, girlly girl Kate  best watch  her  step   and  not  outshine as she will  do, because in  time  Camilla with find a need to squash  that.
Girly  Kate should not  confine  that  much in  QC  either.
I think that is a    mistake  waiting  to happen with  history  repeating  itself.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Iseult on April 04, 2011, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: cinrit on April 02, 2011, 11:11:07 AM
I'm sure William and Harry love both their parents equally well.  It's commendable that they didn't play one against the other, and though I'm sure they've heard most of the stories surrounding the marriage, they don't seem to hold anything against either of their parents.  Good for them.

Cindy
Well, yes, it's possible they've been brought up as Christians and thus taught not to harbour grudges and judge other people. Just a thought ... or have people forgotten William will, when he eventually becomes king, be head of the Church of England?

As for Camilla, I'm sure she's more than happy being Charles's wife and wearing the beautiful ring that originally belonged to Charles's beloved grandmother. I wonder who chose her ring - she or Charles or did they choose it together? It's certainly a much more beautiful and elegant ring than the one Kate's wearing and if I were Kate I think I'd be secretly envious! I don't know anyone who approves of William giving Kate his mother's engagement ring; the only history it has is a history of unhappiness and most people would never choose such a showy gaudy ring for themselves. I feel rather sorry for Kate in this matter of the ring; it seems unfair to saddle her with something she probably would never have chosen if she's had any choice in the matter. My guess is she would have chosen platinum and diamonds, as I think would Diana in her later years (she is reputed to have told friends she didn't like the ring, that it was too fussy and not her style, which I think is true).

But of course rings are only rings and Kate will have plenty of other jewels to wear in the future. As will Camilla ... but I'm not envisaging any fighting over them (bet some others will though!) ... there's more than enough to go round!
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on April 04, 2011, 01:05:16 PM
Quote from: Iseult on April 04, 2011, 09:12:03 AM
Well, yes, it's possible they've been brought up as Christians and thus taught not to harbour grudges and judge other people. Just a thought ... or have people forgotten William will, when he eventually becomes king, be head of the Church of England?

I don't understand the reference to William being the head of the Church of England.  What has he done that should disqualify him?

QuoteAs for Camilla, I'm sure she's more than happy being Charles's wife and wearing the beautiful ring that originally belonged to Charles's beloved grandmother. I wonder who chose her ring - she or Charles or did they choose it together? It's certainly a much more beautiful and elegant ring than the one Kate's wearing and if I were Kate I think I'd be secretly envious! I don't know anyone who approves of William giving Kate his mother's engagement ring; the only history it has is a history of unhappiness and most people would never choose such a showy gaudy ring for themselves. I feel rather sorry for Kate in this matter of the ring; it seems unfair to saddle her with something she probably would never have chosen if she's had any choice in the matter. My guess is she would have chosen platinum and diamonds, as I think would Diana in her later years (she is reputed to have told friends she didn't like the ring, that it was too fussy and not her style, which I think is true).

It's all a matter of taste.  Kate looks thrilled with the engagement ring.  Personally, I prefer it to Camilla's ring, which I don't like at all.  I think it's sweet and sentimental of both Charles and William to give as engagement rings the rings of women that they held close to their hearts.  That, in my opinion, outweighs any bad ju-ju anyone might think Diana's ring carries.

Cindy
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Post by: amabel on April 04, 2011, 05:25:09 PM
I think that Iseutl is saying that hte boys should have and problaby have learned that it is not Christian to bear grudges?
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Post by: cinrit on April 04, 2011, 07:43:54 PM
Quote from: amabel on April 04, 2011, 05:25:09 PM
I think that Iseutl is saying that hte boys should have and problaby have learned that it is not Christian to bear grudges?

That's the impression I got.  But I still don't understand what it has to do with the discussion.

Cindy
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Post by: amabel on April 05, 2011, 05:09:15 AM
that it woudl be unlikely that the boys are going to bear a grudge all their lives for what happened in thier paretns' marraige?
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Post by: amabel on April 05, 2011, 05:09:52 AM
sorry, perhaps I should not be tryng to interrpret but IMO that's what Iseult means?
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Post by: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 01:29:23 PM
Quote from: amabel on April 05, 2011, 05:09:15 AM
that it woudl be unlikely that the boys are going to bear a grudge all their lives for what happened in thier paretns' marraige?

No ... what I don't understand is what does his holding a grudge or not have to do with him being Head of the Church of England?  What does being a "good Christian" have to do with his holding a grudge or not?  Holding a grudge is not a sin ... acting on that grudge probably is (depending on what the act is).

Cindy
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Post by: Lavender_L on April 05, 2011, 02:02:33 PM
I think she is referring to the idea of forgiveness. I believe this a reference to PW possibly being a good Christian by forgiving Camilla and his father for the actions and sins. At least I think that is what is meant.
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Post by: sandy on April 05, 2011, 02:05:42 PM
I think William accepted Camilla to keep the peace in the family and for his father's sake primarily.  C and C didn't exactly treat his mother in a very Christian way. I think W didn't want to make waves and wanted to please his dad.

I think Camilla was advised not to play mother to William. He was all grown up when his father married her in any case.
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Post by: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 02:05:42 PM
I think Camilla was advised not to play mother to William. He was all grown up when his father married her in any case.

I don't think she had to be advised.  I think she was old enough to know better when she married Charles.

Cindy
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Post by: amabel on April 05, 2011, 03:52:09 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 01:29:23 PM
Quote from: amabel on April 05, 2011, 05:09:15 AM
that it woudl be unlikely that the boys are going to bear a grudge all their lives for what happened in thier paretns' marraige?

No ... what I don't understand is what does his holding a grudge or not have to do with him being Head of the Church of England?  What does being a "good Christian" have to do with his holding a grudge or not?  Holding a grudge is not a sin ... acting on that grudge probably is (depending on what the act is).

Cindy
I think that Iseult meant that the boys have been brought up as Christains, William is going to (mabye) be head of C of E, so he should not act in an unchristian way and hold grudges against Cam or his father...
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Post by: sandy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 03:16:11 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 02:05:42 PM
I think Camilla was advised not to play mother to William. He was all grown up when his father married her in any case.

I don't think she had to be advised.  I think she was old enough to know better when she married Charles.

Cindy

I think Camilla does need to be advised, considering how she wanted to walk into the Diana Memorial up until the 11th hour.  If she didn't need to be advised, then there also would have been no need for Charles to hire Mark Bolland.

Camilla also was old enough to know better than embark on an affair with Charles while she was married to APB, but she did it anyway.
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Post by: SophieChloe on April 05, 2011, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
Camilla also was old enough to know better than embark on an affair with Charles while she was married to APB, but she did it anyway.
Well said.  Even for the sake of her own children - let alone William and Harry.  Camilla and Charles strike me as selfish people indeed.
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Post by: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
I think Camilla does need to be advised, considering how she wanted to walk into the Diana Memorial up until the 11th hour.  If she didn't need to be advised, then there also would have been no need for Charles to hire Mark Bolland.

You know, Camilla may not have known exactly what to do in that situation.  She was in a no-win position all the way around.  She was invited by William and Harry.  What to do?  Turn them down and make it appear to Diana's sons that she had no respect for the memory of  Diana?  Or should she attend and anger those who thought it would be an insult to the memory of Diana?  I would bet she didn't know which way to turn, decided to go because to not go would be to insult her stepsons, and she may have been very happy for the decision to have been made for her.  I know that you will respond that she's an evil, horrible, tactless human being, and I think you may have been right at one time ... but I don't think you'd be right this time.  Just because some people are evil, horrible, tactless human beings at one time in their lives doesn't mean that they're evil, horrible, tactless human beings their entire lives.

Cindy
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Post by: Lavender_L on April 05, 2011, 07:19:03 PM
I completely agree Cindy!
People change so much and most people will have some regrets about an action or decision that they made. I wish people would know dwell so much on the whole Diana-Charles-Camilla issue. It was a horrible situation and all three people made mistakes, however, there is nothing we can do about it. IMO, the focus should be on the present and future where the past is only remembered to learn from not to dwell or mourn. Right now, we have a lovely couple who are in love and are about to marry and another young man who is continuing his career and trying to raise awareness of issues close to his heart. There is so much promise and future for Diana's sons, why must we and the media always be remembering the pains of the past? They don't need reminding of it and I am sure they want to honour their mother's memory in a positive manner, whilst accepting what happened.
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Post by: dianab on April 05, 2011, 07:47:43 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
I think Camilla does need to be advised, considering how she wanted to walk into the Diana Memorial up until the 11th hour.  If she didn't need to be advised, then there also would have been no need for Charles to hire Mark Bolland.

She was invited by William and Harry.
Who's said she was invited?
Insiders told the memorial was the Charles show, he was running the whole thing.

Quote from: sophiechloe on April 05, 2011, 04:21:55 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
Camilla also was old enough to know better than embark on an affair with Charles while she was married to APB, but she did it anyway.
Well said.  Even for the sake of her own children - let alone William and Harry.  Camilla and Charles strike me as selfish people indeed.

:goodpost:
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Post by: sandy on April 05, 2011, 08:03:29 PM
Right Dianab and certainly Charles could "suggest" the boys invite Camilla. I think they did it as per usual to please their dad but I don't see how in their right minds they could see Camilla striding into their late mother's memorial service given the circumstances.  I think Charles was hoping that he could get away with it. I agree it was the CHarles show. I recall in the live coverage Charles asking Harry to see the speech Harry had prepared before he read it.
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Post by: sandy on April 05, 2011, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
I think Camilla does need to be advised, considering how she wanted to walk into the Diana Memorial up until the 11th hour.  If she didn't need to be advised, then there also would have been no need for Charles to hire Mark Bolland.

You know, Camilla may not have known exactly what to do in that situation.  She was in a no-win position all the way around.  She was invited by William and Harry.  What to do?  Turn them down and make it appear to Diana's sons that she had no respect for the memory of  Diana?  Or should she attend and anger those who thought it would be an insult to the memory of Diana?  I would bet she didn't know which way to turn, decided to go because to not go would be to insult her stepsons, and she may have been very happy for the decision to have been made for her.  I know that you will respond that she's an evil, horrible, tactless human being, and I think you may have been right at one time ... but I don't think you'd be right this time.  Just because some people are evil, horrible, tactless human beings at one time in their lives doesn't mean that they're evil, horrible, tactless human beings their entire lives.

Cindy

Camilla would have had no respect for the memory of DIana if she had sauntered into the Memorial Service. The respect ironically  would have been shown had she not turned up.  She didn't respect her during her lifetime and it would also make  Camilla look like a big hypocrite. Would the boys REALLY have wanted this lose lose situation with their stepmother turning up and all the public criticism plus calling attention away from the purpose of the event: a Memorial Service of th e 10th anniversary of their mother's death.. I doubt it. This ploy had Charles' fingerprints all over it not the boys.

She could have pled a diplomatic illness or she and Charles could plead a previous engagement.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: SophieChloe on April 05, 2011, 08:08:08 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
You know, Camilla may not have known exactly what to do in that situation.  She was in a no-win position all the way around.  She was invited by William and Harry.  What to do?  
Cindy
Hi Cindy,  I admire your optimism - however I think you are giving Camilla far too much credit, she was  and remains, out for what she could get - and stuff all those around her - even her own children.  Glad she's not my Mum!
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Post by: sandy on April 05, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
I think Charles and Camilla wanted to send a message: See we've all moved on and play happy families with the boys at the Memorial Service. If they wanted to send this message they sure picked the wrong place to do it. I can't imagine Camilla being THAT stupid NOT to see the repercussions of her turning up. And it is laughable that people would say she didn't respect Diana if she turned it down. She didn't respect Diana when Diana was alive and it would be downright hypocritical for her to "honor" Diana at her memorial. I think Charles was testing the waters to see if he could get away with it and waited until almost the last minute. HE once again used the "boys" to promote his own spin which is shameless IMO.
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Post by: SophieChloe on April 05, 2011, 08:24:43 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
She didn't respect Diana when Diana was alive and it would be downright hypocritical for her to "honor" Diana at her memorial. I think Charles was testing the waters to see if he could get away with it and waited until almost the last minute. HE once again used the "boys" to promote his own spin which is shameless IMO.
:notworthy: You have hit the nail on the head for me - well said  :thumbsup: - Trying to reinvent the past is just silly - we all know what took place  :doh:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: dianab on April 05, 2011, 08:26:34 PM
Sandy, here's about the memorial be the Charles show:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477813/Charles-hijacks-Diana-memorial.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477870/Camilla-pulls-Diana-memorial-Queens-advice.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477976/How-future-King-badly-touch.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477975/Diana-memorial-Courtiers-wrong-again.html
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: SophieChloe on April 05, 2011, 08:35:18 PM
 :cheers: DianaB - Thanks for the links - Camilla (and Charles) are just horrible - the pair of them - sorry but that is how  I feel  :blank:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: dianab on April 05, 2011, 08:40:05 PM
:thankyou: sophiechloe, you're a sweetheart  :vday4:

:blowkiss:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on April 05, 2011, 08:57:13 PM
The word Ruthless rears it's head may I remind you there is still no decent memorial to Diana in the form of a Statue or artistic memorial piece of art work.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 08:11:56 PM
I think Charles and Camilla wanted to send a message: See we've all moved on and play happy families with the boys at the Memorial Service. If they wanted to send this message they sure picked the wrong place to do it. I can't imagine Camilla being THAT stupid NOT to see the repercussions of her turning up. And it is laughable that people would say she didn't respect Diana if she turned it down. She didn't respect Diana when Diana was alive and it would be downright hypocritical for her to "honor" Diana at her memorial. I think Charles was testing the waters to see if he could get away with it and waited until almost the last minute. HE once again used the "boys" to promote his own spin which is shameless IMO.

I think they probably all have moved on.  There is no reason to think otherwise.  They all look happy, and we don't hear anything negative, so why the assumption that the boys hate Camilla, the boys tolerate her only to please Charles (which is especially puzzling since William is often described as "stubborn" ... not someone I'd assume would bend with the wind).  It's people who don't even know them who have not moved on.  It's not at all "laughable", Sandy, to think well of someone.  Rather, I'd think it's more commendable.

And here we are, discussing Diana again, in a thread about Camilla liking Kate Middleton.  :sigh:

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: SophieChloe on April 05, 2011, 09:07:02 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on April 05, 2011, 08:57:13 PM
The word Ruthless rears it's head may I remind you there is still no decent memorial to Diana in the form of a Statue or artistic memorial piece of art work.
Too true = how time moves on.  However, my memory is long, very long    
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on April 05, 2011, 09:52:39 PM
I think half the British public have a long memory ....
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on April 05, 2011, 10:14:27 PM
I  agree  with sophie and sandy.
Diana will always be brought up.
She  is   W  and H mother. The  engagement  ring and  the  meida will always  bring  her up.It  is  unavoidable.
She is like the ghost  around   them  all and in  a  good way ,of course, to her kids, future-daughter-in-laws, grandkids to come.
Does H and W  forgive C?
Are they  buddies with  her?
I  suspect not.  To  hold her in  such high regard  after the pain and such  their mother went  through  as a  young teenage  bride,  young  mother,  just  unhuman. I am and I have   posted many times,  that I am  not saying there  shouldhateor grudges.
I suspect the  truth is in the middle.
Because they  were  mid   teens  when their  mother passed  away,   they  had good  memories of her and  she lived  just long enough  to have  a  very  good  imprint  on their lives in how  she  raised  them.
They also  know the  truth  about C  and C.
Of course, they  love, admire, their  father.
I suspect they  tolerate Cam . I assume they see just  enough of  her and even  their father  when they  have  to.
They are men  and have  their own lives.
They  were off  at school  too  after Diana  died.  How much  time  did they have  actually  have  to spend  under  the  same roof as C and her  kids  growing  up?
Those things  we really  do not know.
Photo opps, duty  times, does not show or make  a  loving, forgiving friendship .
I suspect,  W, H, and  Charles have  all mutually agreed, together  through advisors,even QEII herself, to show a  united  front. Civility.
It  is even  fair to say, Diana would wanted  it that way.  She had  C  and Cam took the lid  off  the  BFR.

As  far the BRF, Cam  saying they are lucky  to  have Kate.
Yes  ,  that is true.
They  are lucky  to have  her and Sophie ,DoW . These  women  seem  to  be  restoring  some dignity  and  mystic    back.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 06, 2011, 07:29:20 AM
Quote from: cinrit on April 05, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:49 PM
I think Camilla does need to be advised, considering how she wanted to walk into the Diana Memorial up until the 11th hour.  If she didn't need to be advised, then there also would have been no need for Charles to hire Mark Bolland.

You know, Camilla may not have known exactly what to do in that situation.  She was in a no-win position all the way around.  She was invited by William and Harry.  What to do?  Turn them down and make it appear to Diana's sons that she had no respect for the memory of  Diana?  Or should she attend and anger those who thought it would be an insult to the memory of Diana?  I would bet she didn't know which way to turn, decided to go because to not go would be to insult her stepsons, and she may have been very happy for the decision to have been made for her.  I know that you will respond that she's an evil, horrible, tactless human being, and I think you may have been right at one time ... but I don't think you'd be right this time.  Just because some people are evil, horrible, tactless human beings at one time in their lives doesn't mean that they're evil, horrible, tactless human beings their entire lives.

Cindy

I agree. I dont think she particularly wanted to go, but it was problaby felt that if she didn't she would look like she was not willing to attend an event intended to honour C's first wife adn that it woudl be rude to the boys who invited her.....
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 06, 2011, 07:58:36 AM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 08:03:29 PM
Right Dianab and certainly Charles could "suggest" the boys invite Camilla. I think they did it as per usual to please their dad but I don't see how in their right minds they could see Camilla striding into their late mother's memorial service given the circumstances.  I

so Harry and William were not "in theri right minds" when they invited Camilla?
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 06, 2011, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: Princess Pea on April 05, 2011, 09:52:39 PM
I think half the British public have a long memory ....
I certainly dont agree.  THe British public are very prone to make a big fuss of someone, they can do no wrong adn then suddenly they can do no rihgt and are constantly critiicsed.  and I think that while Dis' more ardent fans ahve not forgotten her and to an extetn she still "sells papers"  the sort of emotions that were aroudn at the time of her death evapoared very quickly.  within a couple fo years, there was not a lot of people coming to KP on the anniversary of her death...
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: blackprincess92 on April 06, 2011, 12:05:09 PM
camilla can speak of her liking towards kate or even give her all the advice she can give.....but will kate take her advice as genuine....probably not..
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on April 06, 2011, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: blackprincess92 on April 06, 2011, 12:05:09 PM
camilla can speak of her liking towards kate or even give her all the advice she can give.....but will kate take her advice as genuine....probably not.. 

It probably depends on what advice is being given.  We all listen to advice given by our friends and our elders ... we follow some advice and don't follow others.  Didn't I read an article here yesterday or the day before, that Kate is taking fashion advice from Sara Buys, Tom Parker-Bowles wife, who is a fashion editor at "Harpers & Queen" magazine?  I'd guess that Camilla pointed Kate in that direction.

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 06, 2011, 01:25:31 PM
Quote from: blackprincess92 on April 06, 2011, 12:05:09 PM
camilla can speak of her liking towards kate or even give her all the advice she can give.....but will kate take her advice as genuine....probably not..

I daresay kate is old enoguh to manage herself and decide what advice to take
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on April 06, 2011, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: amabel on April 06, 2011, 07:58:36 AM
Quote from: sandy on April 05, 2011, 08:03:29 PM
Right Dianab and certainly Charles could "suggest" the boys invite Camilla. I think they did it as per usual to please their dad but I don't see how in their right minds they could see Camilla striding into their late mother's memorial service given the circumstances.  I

so Harry and William were not "in theri right minds" when they invited Camilla?

They wanted to please their Dad. Dad was calling the shots IMO. Did the boys have a choice really with Dad "suggesting" they invite their stepmum. But surely the would have to be totally brainwashed not to see how this would actually hurt their stepmother if she actually had showed up. I think they read the papers or at the least have advisors about. I don't think the boys are stupid. I think their father is quite frankly, particularly thinkiing it "OK" for Camilla to "honor" Diana.

Charles has had a track record IMO of using his sons to get Camilla accepted like having his PR have the story about WIlls inviting Camilla to tea "leaked" to every media venue worldwide. This was an occasion where deluded Charles thought he could show how the people have "warmed" to Camilla to the extent of her being welcomed at the memorial service for Diana (whom she made miserable whilst Diana was alive). If you want to believe it was all the boys idea amabel suit yourself but to me this had Charles' fingerprints all over it.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on April 06, 2011, 01:58:43 PM
Quote from: amabel on April 06, 2011, 08:01:48 AM
Quote from: Princess Pea on April 05, 2011, 09:52:39 PM
I think half the British public have a long memory ....
I certainly dont agree.  THe British public are very prone to make a big fuss of someone, they can do no wrong adn then suddenly they can do no rihgt and are constantly critiicsed.  and I think that while Dis' more ardent fans ahve not forgotten her and to an extetn she still "sells papers"  the sort of emotions that were aroudn at the time of her death evapoared very quickly.  within a couple fo years, there was not a lot of people coming to KP on the anniversary of her death...

So you don't agree that public opinion swayed Camilla's backing out? There was a lot of negativity as the stories posted on this thread indicated. If they didn't have "long memories" as you insist, then Camilla could have strolled in arms linked with Charles grinning for those cameras and "honoring" Diana.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on April 06, 2011, 02:18:45 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 06, 2011, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: blackprincess92 on April 06, 2011, 12:05:09 PM
camilla can speak of her liking towards kate or even give her all the advice she can give.....but will kate take her advice as genuine....probably not..  

It probably depends on what advice is being given.  We all listen to advice given by our friends and our elders ... we follow some advice and don't follow others.  Didn't I read an article here yesterday or the day before, that Kate is taking fashion advice from Sara Buys, Tom Parker-Bowles wife, who is a fashion editor at "Harpers & Queen" magazine?  I'd guess that Camilla pointed Kate in that direction.

Cindy

I hope she's not taking advice from Sarah Buys who dressed rather tackily at a wedding. With the back of the skirt cut up to her hips in a really tawdry outfit (lke she forgot to put on a skirt). Heaven help Kate if she listens to Sarah Buys. I hope this is more PR spin for Camilla and her clan nstead of any sort of reality.

http://www.faz.net/imagecache/%7B743CBE6E-72DF-4154-A235-98736C5AF355%7Dpicture.jpeg

Image above of Sarah buys fashion sense.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: SophieChloe on April 06, 2011, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 06, 2011, 01:57:07 PM
This was an occasion where deluded Charles thought he could show how the people have "warmed" to Camilla to the extent of her being welcomed at the memorial service for Diana (whom she made miserable whilst Diana was alive). If you want to believe it was all the boys idea amabel suit yourself but to me this had Charles' fingerprints all over it.
I totally agree with you Sandy.  I also think that Charles it totally obsessed with her and would do anything to have her accepted as the future Queen.  Even as far back as the secret recording of them both, whilst married to Diana - Yuk - wish I hadn't reminded myself of that.  :o
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on April 06, 2011, 07:22:39 PM
I don't think Charles can have it which way all way, so to speak. You can be born Royal have all the trappings that brings have a massive Royal Wedding a suitable bride for an heir a long term mistress and then a kings crown on his head with that mistress as Queen . Eat your heart out The Tudors springs to mind. Don't think it wears well with the public some how.
But these days the royals don't seem to want to make sacrifices for their country.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 06, 2011, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on April 06, 2011, 07:22:39 PM
I don't think Charles can have it which way all way, so to speak. You can be born Royal have all the trappings that brings have a massive Royal Wedding a suitable bride for an heir a long term mistress and then a kings crown on his head with that mistress as Queen . Eat your heart out The Tudors springs to mind. Don't think it wears well with the public some how.
But these days the royals don't seem to want to make sacrifices for their country.

the public are indifferent to Camilla's marriage to Charles.  HTey dont disapprove, they just dont take much notice of the RF.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: sandy on April 06, 2011, 07:42:51 PM
Amabel how can you make such sweeping statements without any real proof? Were there surveys taken of EVERYBODY? And if they "don't disapprove" as I said Camilla could have sauntered in to Diana's Memorial Service with not a peep of protest or complaints.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on April 06, 2011, 09:04:37 PM
Well on a positive note I am pleased that William and Harry had Diana as a mother and not Camilla as they probably would not be now blessed with good looks.
Charles and Camilla offsprings - now that's an interesting thought to ponder
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on April 06, 2011, 10:27:29 PM
OH  PP,LOL!!!
Gosh.  Too  funny.
We none know the real story.
I have said  this  and will repeat, believe  whatever Sweet  Camilla story or  believe  that nice  image  of  her   if you  want. If  you want  to believe the  opposite  way, fine.
One  thing  is  100%  true. A  known  and proven  fact  and  that  is if Kate  and William have  Cammilla  advising, butting in,  they  are doomed. The  best  way  for  a  couple  to  break a  marriage  is have  a third  partner join  in. Anytime  a  third  partner,  as  Cammilla was  in  D & C marriage  with  C wanting her there,  or when  a couple invites  parents, stepparents ,the marriage is OVER!!!
Only  time  will  tell  if  K gets  too  chummy  with  Sweet  Camiila.  Only  time will  tell  how  K  and  W  work at their  marriage.  Even though they  lived together  for  a  few  years, marriage  is still a little different.   They  have  not been  through  any  major  trying times   or  anything  like that as  a  couple.
It  can ahppen in  a marriage such  as waht the Edwards went through  in  having their  two children, Sophie's  mom passing away. Add  the scope  of  K's public  life  and  there  are  no  privacy  rules  anymore,  it is  a  lot.  I mean  by privacy,  things like when  she  gets  preggars,  magazines  are  count  the  date of  conception,  where  they  were,   to  the  due date.  Lots  of things  are  not   sacred or  just  theirs and  private or  the  norm. History  has  a  way  to  repeat  itself  if  you  let.  C  and  C could perhaps  help W  find  comfort  elewwhere  if  things  in the  marriage slide  perhaps...just saying  ,that's  all.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 07, 2011, 07:17:55 PM
Quote from: sandy on April 06, 2011, 07:42:51 PM
Amabel how can you make such sweeping statements without any real proof? Were there surveys taken of EVERYBODY? And if they "don't disapprove" as I said Camilla could have sauntered in to Diana's Memorial Service with not a peep of protest or complaints.

Of course there are poeple who disapprove.  I never said that there weren't.  I said that the mass of people are indifferent.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on April 09, 2011, 03:27:50 AM
I agree  with  sandy and sophie.

Lets  take  out   if  Camilla was asked  to  attend  by W/H  or C  , QEII  herself!!
It  would have  been  great  for  the  media!
It  would have  been  scandalous for Camilla  to attend.
Talk  about a  hypocrite.  Talk about  Dancing on Diana's  grave.
What  a  mess that  would  have  been.
Totally  out  of  order.  Totally  classless.  Shameful. No  dignity. 

Annabel,  I  am  not British. I don't  know what  the  British  people.
I  will  take your  word  for   it  that  they  are indifferent...no  opinion  of  C and C.
Fine. Seems  to  me  they  had better  think  about  that  for  there  will  be  King  Charles  and  Queen  Camilla.
There is nothing  no  one can  do  about  this  future  K & Q  or  TBRF.
This will  effect  B  histroy  one  day and  the country.
The  USA is  indifferent  to  W/K, the wedding, C  and C,etc. Makes  no barring   one  way  or  another what the  BRF does.

Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 09, 2011, 08:23:37 AM
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on April 09, 2011, 03:27:50 AM
I Annabel,  I  am  not British. I don't  know what  the  British  people.
I  will  take your  word  for   it  that  they  are indifferent...no  opinion  of  C and C.
Fine. Seems  to  me  they  had better  think  about  that  for  there  will  be  King  Charles  and  Queen  Camilla.
There is nothing  no  one can  do  about  this  future  K & Q  or  TBRF.
This will  effect  B  histroy  one  day and  the country.
The  USA is  indifferent  to  W/K, the wedding, C  and C,etc. Makes  no barring   one  way  or  another what the  BRF does.



that's fine.  THere's no reason why Americans should care about a royal wedding or a royal family in another country...
And the British quite accpet that there will be a King Charles and probalby a queen Camila.  Why shouldn't tehy?  it is not going ot rock the world.  They are a couple who do some charity work and representative work on behalf of hte Govt.  They are important to some people but not to all.  Most people accpet them as the figureheads they are, as long as they turn up and some work, and get on fairly quietly with their lives. 
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: anita on April 09, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on April 09, 2011, 03:27:50 AM
The  USA is  indifferent  to  W/K, the wedding, C  and C,etc. Makes  no barring   one  way  or  another what the  BRF does.

And as a European I feel that it doesn't matter what the USA "thinks " in these matters.

BTW it seems to me like the American media is not that indifferent to the wedding. They go OTT when you see it from over here. Why this enormous interest for a wedding that the American people are so indifferent to?
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: SophieChloe on April 09, 2011, 11:19:02 AM
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on April 09, 2011, 03:27:50 AM
Lets  take  out   if  Camilla was asked  to  attend  by W/H  or C  , QEII  herself!!
It  would have  been  great  for  the  media!
It  would have  been  scandalous for Camilla  to attend.
Talk  about a  hypocrite.  Talk about  Dancing on Diana's  grave.
What  a  mess that  would  have  been.
Totally  out  of  order.  Totally  classless.  Shameful. No  dignity. 
I agree - it would have been wrong on every level.  Mind you, I think her and Charles - after all the horrible things they did to Diana - should have, once married - retired off somewhere and live quietly - and not wheel her out for official duties, they could, afterall, live off the DOC profits - in luxury and quietly.  But then again, I am biased - I loved Diana   :blowkiss:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on April 09, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
Quote from: anita on April 09, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
And as a European I feel that it doesn't matter what the USA "thinks " in these matters.

BTW it seems to me like the American media is not that indifferent to the wedding. They go OTT when you see it from over here. Why this enormous interest for a wedding that the American people are so indifferent to?

Anita, you are correct on both counts.  I'm an American, and I agree that it doesn't matter what we think about anything that goes on in the lives of the Royal Family.  But some of us are interested, just as some Europeans are interested in, say, the Kennedy Family.

As for the American media being indifferent ... poppycock.  The wedding is all over the place in the media, even on my local news.  Every day, several times a day, the wedding is talked about on one television channel or another, in one program or another.  While the whole country is not immobilized with anticipation of the wedding, enough people are interested to keep the media busy finding more and newer topics to discuss relative to it.  If people weren't interested, the media would not be broadcasting it.  It is in their interest to air what people want to watch; otherwise, they lose their sponsors if the ratings fall.

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 09, 2011, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: cinrit on April 09, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
Quote from: anita on April 09, 2011, 11:09:58 AM
And as a European I feel that it doesn't matter what the USA "thinks " in these matters.

BTW it seems to me like the American media is not that indifferent to the wedding. They go OTT when you see it from over here. Why this enormous interest for a wedding that the American people are so indifferent to?

Anita, you are correct on both counts.  I'm an American, and I agree that it doesn't matter what we think about anything that goes on in the lives of the Royal Family.  But some of us are interested, just as some Europeans are interested in, say, the Kennedy Family.

As for the American media being indifferent ... poppycock.  The wedding is all over the place in the media, even on my local news.  Every day, several times a day, the wedding is talked about on one television channel or another, in one program or another.  While the whole country is not immobilized with anticipation of the wedding, enough people are interested to watch; otherwise, they lose their sponsors if the ratings fall.

Cindy
seems to me that actualy ther's more coverage of it on American TV etc than there is over here
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on April 09, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: amabel on April 09, 2011, 12:29:43 PM
seems to me that actualy ther's more coverage of it on American TV etc than there is over here

Probably so.  We (well, some of us) get excited because we don't have all the ceremonial pomp and circumstance that goes on in the U.K.   We only get the really rare glimpse of it, so when there's a royal wedding, we (some of us) are very interested.  We've got nothing like it.

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: blackprincess92 on April 09, 2011, 04:01:34 PM
just cant wait to get this wedding thing over with lol....and you know after the wedding the media will be talking about it non-stop for a week
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Princess Pea on April 11, 2011, 07:54:17 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/royal-wedding/kate-middleton/8441320/Kate-Middletons-wayward-uncle-will-go-to-reception-at-the-Palace-after-all.html
I want to be a fly on the wall at the reception when Camilla is introduced to Uncle Gaz
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: FanDianaFancy on April 11, 2011, 10:15:33 PM
Ok, PPea the  fly  on the wall,  LOL!!!

My opinion...if his niece,K, was marrying ANYBODY else(Lord, Duke,Dr.Atty.,PrimeMinster,etc),  he  would be  invited  to all  of the events.
HOWEVER, she is  not marrying anybody else ,but PW instead.
I  think  he  should  keep the  focus  on  her  and if I were  him, I  would  have  asked  not  to be  invited  to the  other  functions. The chruch  ceremony  only.
Who knows. Maybe  the guy  did this and K and W said no.
It  has  been said they did visit  him  at his Spain house and  are  close, fond  of  him.
ALSO, Uncle  Gaz  is who he is  and  did  what  he  did,  BUT,C  and  C did what they did  to Diana. Andrew and  his current mess.  These  are  just the  top of  the  list  of  those who  have  some "serious  ugly baggage."

The  Class  System.  He  is rich.That makes  a  big  BIG,   HUGE  difference  in that world.
If  he  were  her  poor  uncle...incarcerated...in/out of jail, drug seller, big  difference.
I  bet  it would a  no to  an  invite.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: amabel on April 13, 2011, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: Iseult on March 27, 2011, 12:13:18 PM
Quote from: Princess Pea on March 26, 2011, 10:17:14 PM
http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20110326-270296.html
O well that will go down well with Camilla
Of course Charles is going to be the next king. The whole point of the British monarchy is that one follows the other in orderly fashion, except of course when someone declines to do the job as with the late Duke of Windsor. This isn't a talent show or a popularity contest, where people vote for their favourite royal to get to the final and go on to win.

Well perhasp there might be someting to be said for the old Celitc system!  where  the King or ruler was elected from the members of the ruling family... There woudl still be a certain orderly succession but it woudl give us a bit of  a buzz in choosing someone! and while you're rightin in saying that it isn't a popularity contest, there are times when say an older son mgiht not want the job and a younger son might be really good at it....
but as things stand perhaps an orderly succession in terms of birth is the best, after soem unstable times in the RF
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: juliathegreat on April 19, 2011, 01:36:08 AM
lip service from camilla. they're all SUPERFLUOUS....   
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: chiamaka on April 19, 2011, 02:06:03 PM
@cindy, I think you're kate, pippa or someone close to them. Though,evryone have different opinion, yours is more protective or something...can't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on April 19, 2011, 02:15:20 PM
^^ Who?  Me?  LOL!!  So far, I've been accused of also being Amabel and Bensgal.  And now I'm accused of also being Kate?!  Or Pippa? :laugh10:  No, sorry, chiamaka ... I am me, and only me. :lmao3:  I just tend to see the positive side of life.  More people should try it ... it's more fun than negative side. ;)

Cindy
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Bensgal on April 19, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
No, Cindy isn't Bensgal. That would be me...and I love your positive view of life, Cindy!  ;)
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: Iseult on April 19, 2011, 11:27:29 PM
Cindy will have to post in the middle of the wedding, then we'll know she's not Kate or Pippa. (unless one of them has an iphone hidden in their bouquet)   :teehee:
Title: Re: Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall: Kate Middleton is Lovely and we're very lucky
Post by: cinrit on April 20, 2011, 12:16:10 AM
Iseult, I was thinking of saying the same thing, but I was afraid someone would say I just posted from an iPhone.  (I don't own an iPhone.)  Bensgal, I admire the same about you!  I'm flattered to have been thought to be any of the ladies I've been accused of being duplicates of. :)

Cindy