Dianas death a blessing and curse to Camilla

Duch_Luver_4ever · August 27, 2017, 04:02:58 PM

Princess Diana death: Crash was 'gift and curse' for Camilla says butler | Royal | News | Express.co.uk

I know PB again, and usually I get set for eye roll if its him or McGrady, but I thought it was an interesting read.

Speaking ahead of the 20th anniversary of the People's Princess' death, Mr Burrell also claimed Camilla would never have married Charles if Diana had lived as the public would never have allowed it.

He said: "The conundrum is that Charles could never have married Camilla if Diana had survived because, as the heir to the throne, he could not remarry with an existing wife.

Awful convenient, if this was a Columbo episode, he'd be all over Charles with lots of "Oh, just one more thing".....

"When the accident happened it opened the gate for Camilla to marry Charles and she got what she wanted. In her death Diana gave them a gift. But I think it's also a curse because her death will forever be associated with Prince Charles and Camilla – and they have to live with that."

royalanthropologist · August 27, 2017, 06:19:15 PM

Run Camilla run. Burrell has you in his sights. That man is just creepy. Who said a royal cannot marry with a living wife? Just tell that to Henry VIII. The you have this little gem "her death will forever be associated with Prince Charles and Camilla". Really, the last time I checked neither C nor C were anywhere near Paris when Diana died. She was a divorced woman and free to do as she pleased, dating whoever she liked. Burrell just had to weave himself there somehow.

amabel · August 27, 2017, 06:26:20 PM

Oh what awful nonsense. in fact Diana's death meant that Camilla who had been "coming out" in public as C's girlfriend had to slip back again for a time because the public mood was naturally angry towards Charles. and Charles probably felt that given that his boys had lost their mother, he had to wait lognger to marry Camilla.. not just for the queen M to pass away but also for the boys to grow up. if Diana had been alive, Charles might well have married Cam a discreet 6 months or a year after his Grandmothter had gone

Trudie · August 28, 2017, 03:54:21 AM

Well the blessing of Diana's death as far as Charles and Camilla are concerned it did make it easier for them to marry and not have to play nice at future family events involving their sons. The curse is Camilla is not all that popular with the public and in death as in life Diana was a popular and beloved Princess something Camilla cannot ever hope to achieve.

royalanthropologist · August 28, 2017, 05:50:44 AM

Burrell is a weird one. I personally do not agree about deaths being blessings. They may be convenient but not blessings. Even if we were to go down that route, I still believe Diana was more convenient alive to C&C than dead.

If she was alive, she would probably marry someone and completely lose the designation "Princess of Wales". A Lady Diana Al Fayed or Khan is somehow less potent than "Diana Princess of Wales". Besides, the longer she lived; the more mistakes Diana would commit in her "search for love in all the wrong places". There might have been divorces, break ups and burst ups. Meanwhile Charles would still be with Camilla and the contrasts would be inevitable.

The media exposes would soon begin to bore and the intrusion would reach its zenith. Meanwhile the protective palace would watch in wry amusement as the circus went by. Now that Diana is dead, she is forever young. She cannot make any more mistakes. It is only the living that can make mistakes and they will do. So on balance, I think Diana's death was a blow to C&C. In any case I don't think their dislike of her came to the point at which they wished she was dead.

sandy · August 31, 2017, 12:08:26 AM

I doubt Charles and Camilla would have married 6 months after the grandmother died (even with Diana alive). It would be seen as rather disrespectful since it was known that the Queen Mum did not want a C and C wedding in her lifetime. I don't think being married to a successful surgeon would be a step down from Princess of Wales. In many ways I see it as a step up.

Why do you assume Diana would have had divorces, bust ups and breakups. Why even speculate? She would not have been A Zsa Zsa marrying many times. She had a bad experience in the first marriage I doubt she'd have rushed into another one until she was absolutely sure. She was 36 when she died, she had her children around and she was not 19 anymore all starry eyed. The longer she lived the happier she would have been with her life and especially her children and grandchildren. It would have been wonderful had she lived a long life and died surrounded by her loving family. But it was not to be.

Who would contrast Camilla and Charles with Diana? Other than events involving William and Harry I doubt she'd see much of Camilla.

Everybody makes mistakes. So should we all die young so we won't make them. SOrry, not getting that at all. People learn from mistakes it is a part of life. There would be something wrong with a person who never made mistakes (it would show the person never really tried or ventured out in the world and learned.)

I think Diana would have been renowned for her charity work and the longer she lived the better she would have been. The old saying is you're not getting older you are getting better.

Charles and Camilla certainly cooperate with character assassins like Penny Junor who trashes the dead Diana at every opportunity.

Duch_Luver_4ever · August 31, 2017, 03:20:29 AM

Theres one thing that hit me today, that we've been missing in thinking this through. Its that after the divorce and the longer shed have lived and dated and got comfortable with herself, she would have been more able to cast of the romantic expectations about fairytale marriages and she would have seen firsthand that divorce did not mean the end of the world.

She may have felt that as a child, and one can understand why she would vow to not go through it herself, but once she had, she would have seen that while unpleasant, neither she, charles or the boys dropped dead from it.

She still would have had the prickly issue of a small pool of men that could provide the material logistics she would need and the cluster of personality attributes that allowed them to do so might have made them tricky husbands, but I think she would have needed much less from a second husband in way of assuring her and validating her ability to get on in the world and her self esteem like she needed at 19/20 yrs old.

royalanthropologist · August 31, 2017, 05:16:43 AM

I agree with @Duch_Luver_4ever. Even those of us that critique Diana cannot help but be horrified at the prospect that she never really got to settle down with someone who loved her unconditionally. A long and lasting loving relationship was always so near and yet so far away. That is a very, very sad thing.

sandy · August 31, 2017, 01:14:20 PM

She was young a divorcee of one year when she died. So no conclusions can really be drawn. Besides which women don't have to "have a man" to be happy. Diana had her sons and would have been a doting grandmother. Diana had hopes for the future and her friends said she was optimistic and happy her last year. Not pining after prince Charles like Miss havisham.

Duch_Luver_4ever · August 31, 2017, 07:12:12 PM

can we please not do this today? there'll be lots of other days for you two to snipe at each other.

royalanthropologist · August 31, 2017, 09:25:17 PM

I do agree. :goodpost:

sandy · August 31, 2017, 11:56:10 PM

There is no "sniping" and nothing personal. It is a difference of opinion on the topic of this thread. I think this needs to be said.

TLLK · September 01, 2017, 03:15:22 AM

Quote from: royalanthropologist on August 31, 2017, 09:25:17 PM
I do agree. :goodpost:

And I second that.

FanDianaFancy · September 01, 2017, 03:48:51 AM

But then ,why are you?

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royalanthropologist · September 01, 2017, 04:19:59 AM

I personally felt that yesterday should have been about remembering and celebrating Diana. It would be inappropriate for me to engage in a bickering match over the events of her life.

Duch_Luver_4ever · September 01, 2017, 04:44:49 AM

Thank you all for your restraint, its very appreciated today/yesterday of all days.

FanDianaFancy · September 11, 2017, 03:43:48 PM

It was a blessing for PC and CPB. It was good luck that D died.It wa s one of those most unexpected, peasant surprises in life. PC and CPB , I have said, are very lucky people . Some people are just lucky. Fortunate. Good things happen even happen to them without them even paying a part in it such as PD dying.
Oh I know, I know, so stop it now before you post...."How can you say deth is a good thing, luck, a blessing....."

LETS BE HONEST. I AM NOT BEING POLITCALLY CORRECT. Honest, though.

Had PD lived....marriage.
Chances for PC and CPB marrying would have been very slim. YES, he had to wait for HRH, his beloved grandmother to die. he only lived well past 100 years. Going back to PC and CPB during the late 1970s, early 1980s, Camilla only had to secure her place as PC's fav mistress/real lover/bedmate and boot the wife, PD, out of the way and Kanga who became a cripple and other things. That too was luck for CPB and PC. Marriage to CPB would have been when the boys grew up as he did do in marrying her. Marriage would have been hard to do with PD alive and walking , talking...on covers...BRF charities, etc. She would have been living competition .
CPB as HRH and ding BRF duties, well, PD would have been too . YES, even divorced, she still had some charities to support. YES, again, divorced, she W mother to PH and PW and still, a member of the BRF , yet at a distance. I know some of cannot want to understand that and insists she would have ben relegated to living in a nice, comfy little house in Hillsborough or Manchester or something. PD still would have had her home at KP. Still RPO. Still.

Historical pictures and places involving the heirs, PW and PH.
Had PD lived CPB married to PC would have not been in the pictures of the christenings of PG and PCharlotte or seated in the mother's place at PW's wedding.
I know, I know some of you choose not to understand this. PD was MOTHER and not fav nanny,etc.
For PD's wedding, Countess or Lady Raine, whatever her name, was not seated next to The Earl or in the christening pictures.
Again, what a blessing for PC and CBP that PD died.

Authors like Junor ....continue. Dead woman cannot speak. Her story ended 20 years ago.
There is no one to dispute her story or the story , yet, thank goodness of how it all happened, she spoke ...a lot... before she died. The facts are there.
Again, what good luck for CPB and PC. There Junor type authors can really say anything at this point.

It was a also a curse, because for whatever Camilla wears, the jewels, PD is brought up in the media. For every time CPB is brought up by PC's spin doctors with talks and inching it for her to be titled QUEEN, which she will be and should be, PD is brought up by the media.
For this summer when the focus was to be on Camilla's 70th and Junors' trashy PD book about Camilla, LOL, , it was a summer about PD 20 years ago. The what ifs...if she had lived. Where would she be today? Role? Work? Pride as grandmother and mother-in-law.
Whatever marriage of PC and CPB , LOL, will have PD in it. Now, there are three people in the marriage; Charles and Camilla and Diana's ghost.
It is reverse of PD's comment.

YES, the curse of her death is far less to manage and see than the blessings it sent. It was a greater blessing than curse. 40% curse. 60% blessing.

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Quote from: royalanthropologist on August 28, 2017, 05:50:44 AM
Burrell is a weird one. I personally do not agree about deaths being blessings. They may be convenient but not blessings. Even if we were to go down that route, I still believe Diana was more convenient alive to C&C than dead.

If she was alive, she would probably marry someone and completely lose the designation "Princess of Wales". A Lady Diana Al Fayed or Khan is somehow less potent than "Diana Princess of Wales". Besides, the longer she lived; the more mistakes Diana would commit in her "search for love in all the wrong places". There might have been divorces, break ups and burst ups. Meanwhile Charles would still be with Camilla and the contrasts would be inevitable.

The media exposes would soon begin to bore and the intrusion would reach its zenith. Meanwhile the protective palace would watch in wry amusement as the circus went by. Now that Diana is dead, she is forever young. She cannot make any more mistakes. It is only the living that can make mistakes and they will do. So on balance, I think Diana's death was a blow to C&C. In any case I don't think their dislike of her came to the point at which they wished she was dead.

WoW!!!!

As I shake my head.....laugh...wow!! The imagination......

sandy · September 11, 2017, 11:25:03 PM

Fergie had relationships but she never remarried. And she still has title Duchess of York. It is subject to speculation if she will remarry Andrew in the future. Diana may not necessarily have remarried.

Diana would have been famous and one of the most famous women in the world even if she were Lady Diana Khan. I don't buy into Diana being another Zsa Zsa Gabor taking and discarding husbands like toys. I think that unfair to DIana.

I think arguably Camilla loathed Diana the most. Perhaps Charles became more indifferent.