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REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« on: December 16, 2017, 06:54:07 AM »
As if there could be new  information.

Apparently that car was  in a  bad  accident some time  before. It was a  redo and  a rebuy.

Who knows?  What?
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 04:57:16 PM »
Who kniows what?
 

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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2017, 04:53:54 AM »
The truth?
I love stick with Henri unk and pulled up. Dodo wanted to be more private and show D he could handle things. Really, he should have stayed at his house in ThecRitz, his fathers hotel. He did not need to drive her to his other house.
Henri was driving too fast. He wanted to outgun the paps. The paps on motorbike and the white Fiat were just hot on their route. D messed up too because she took no security  her in her quest for privacy. TRyseJons was not security. Her security should have been a team with TRyse Jones in the car and him talking to one of her security in a lead car and one of her security driving a follow up car. Two cars for her with three bodyguards.
 


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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2017, 02:04:08 PM »
Yes that's the usual protocol, but the 2 bodyguards seem to feel that Dodi's father wouldn't pay for more secruty and that with Diana, who was attracting so much press attention, they could not do the job properly with only 2 of them.  And Dodi messed up, constantly changing arrangments, not wanting te usual set up of 2 cars and so on and calling in Henri Paul who wasn't a trained driver and who was off duty, to do the driving at short notice.
 

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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2017, 08:55:44 PM »
If Mohammed Al Fayed had been there, no way would have Dodi left that hotel with Diana.
 
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2017, 01:46:25 AM »
Why?  he was the one who wouldn't get more bodyguards and who was keen on having the press know about his son's romance with Diana
 

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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 05:56:10 AM »
He would have told his son to stay put so they could have left early in the morning. He probably was a whole lot better organizing staff than his son who was In control in Paris.
 
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2017, 09:21:52 PM »
MAF cries a good game, if he cared at all about his son, let alone squiring around a high profile person like Diana, he would have had the level of security he uses when he travels, roughly about 4 times the security they had in terms of ppl and numbers of cars (8 vs 2) and likely doesnt travel in accident refurb'ed cars.

For a man that hoped Diana would get him into the good graces of British society, he handled it very carelessly, esp. given his sons drug habit and resultant indecisiveness, compounded by being spooked by the attention the press gave as a result of Diana. Being a hanger on in hollywood was no practice for the glare of the most famous woman on earth....with fatal results.

As for the show, im assuming it will detail the various problems it had that were "fixed" as that was not known back in 97.
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2017, 09:27:09 PM »
MAF was not directing their every moment for them. I think it was Dodi that thought so much of himself that he tried to show Diana he could take care of everything & failed miserably.    :mil3:
 

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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2017, 09:31:31 PM »
MAF is really a pretty appalling individual IMO. With all due respect to his terrible grief at his son Dodi dying in such a ghastly way, it's been deflect, deflect with him ever since the accident. Deflect any possible responsibility for the staff at the Ritz, for Henri Paul, for the car they were driving, for his son's actions that night. Instead throw it all on the BRF with mindless and baseless allegations and scuttlebut. Maybe somewhere there's a guilty conscience for some of what happened, I don't know, but MAF certainly hasn't done himself any good in the last twenty years.
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2017, 09:52:18 PM »
His son was more reckless. Unless he ordered the police to stop Dodi from leaving the hotel, his hands were tied. He was pleading with Dodi to stay put.

If I were a relative of Diana I would be really upset not only at Dodi, but the slipshod way she was treated after the accident. I can't imagine not being disturbed over the time it took to get her to the hospital while she was bleeding to death. And the security guard should have made sure not to let the allegedly drunk driver get behind the wheel and also do a check to see if the seatbelts worked and car was safe. The car had been stolen and redeployed. No way would I have wanted a loved one getting into such a car.

I don't think the suspicions about the accident were exclusive to MAF.
 
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2017, 01:32:24 AM »
For goodness sake, MAF had plenty of control over Dodi.  He paid his bills, he told him to dietch Kelly Fisher and start courting Diana.. if he had wanted Diana and Dodi to be safe, he could have kept them in the hotel or insisted that they have heavy protection. 
all the evidence seems to be that Dodi was rattled by the photographers following Diana, and did nto want them to be photographed.. 
He wasn't very bright, he annoyed his bodyguards by messing them around and changing arrangemnets and not telling them things.  If MAF watned Diana safe, he must have known he should take charge.. but he wanted the romance to be known to the press and public... and he was too cheap to provide more guards
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2017, 01:42:20 AM »
^ Charles pays for everything for his Sons but he does not micromanage their lives either.     :epunch:
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2017, 04:12:33 AM »
For goodness sake, MAF had plenty of control over Dodi.  He paid his bills, he told him to dietch Kelly Fisher and start courting Diana.. if he had wanted Diana and Dodi to be safe, he could have kept them in the hotel or insisted that they have heavy protection. 
all the evidence seems to be that Dodi was rattled by the photographers following Diana, and did nto want them to be photographed.. 
He wasn't very bright, he annoyed his bodyguards by messing them around and changing arrangemnets and not telling them things.  If MAF watned Diana safe, he must have known he should take charge.. but he wanted the romance to be known to the press and public... and he was too cheap to provide more guards

Not when they were in two different countries, obviously. If he had been there, no question Dodi would have stayed

Charles' parents could not stop him from bashing them to his biographer. There is so much a parent can do when the children get big
 
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2017, 05:56:22 AM »
You know you guys are off course when you have me and amabel agreeing...on anything LOL. :lol: :teehee: :lol: MAH had Dodi under his thumb in the ways amabel mentioned. I think it was a case of he got rattled by the press attention, he wanted to show off in front of Diana, she had to reassure him when the paps were too much earlier in the day, so he likely felt emasculated, and as the day wore on and there were so many changes of plans, im sure he saw the frustration we see in the security cam on her face.

But the point is, had MAF had the proper security, there would have been a buffer for Dodi's inpulsiveness. Either they wouldnt have gone out back in that car, or theyd have had proper escort cars to keep the paps at bay, and the seatbelts would have been checked, and they could have used another car, MAF usually travels with 8.

Dodi may have been the spark, but without the oily rags of MAF's lack of security, nothing would have caught light, so to speak.
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2017, 06:23:10 AM »
Also the BRF could have insisted on her security & the President of France could have insisted photographers not work after dark, but those things didn't happen either. MAF was not responsible for Diana's security.

Blaming him because he paid his Sons bills is like blaming Charles for Williams attitude toward the public. No one can control everything.    :blameorchid:
 

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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2017, 07:15:36 AM »
And why were not exceptions made for Diana when it came to getting her to the hospital I get tired of  the excuse that it was because that was the way France did things. Even if it helped kill her. If she had been anywhere else she would have been taken to the hospital by copter. 
 
 
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2017, 07:25:50 AM »
Exactly if she had been life lined she would of had a better chance.   >(
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2017, 05:57:48 PM »
Also the BRF could have insisted on her security & the President of France could have insisted photographers not work after dark, but those things didn't happen either. MAF was not responsible for Diana's security.

Blaming him because he paid his Sons bills is like blaming Charles for Williams attitude toward the public. No one can control everything.    :blameorchid:
Diana was the one who refused to have BRF security.. she had to have PPOs with her when she had the boys, but she did not want  to do so when she was on her own....
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2017, 06:18:41 PM »
With all due respect to MAF, Diana was like a precious jewel to him. She was his possible passport to the highest echelons of British society and he really wanted to use her to that end. I would have thought that given her profile and status in the world, he could have done better with the security arrangements. His later ugly rants were just so that he could deflect and blame DOE for his miscalculations and basic incompetence in this affair.

Diana too made a terrible mistake declining royal protection. It was one of those foolhardy "I am doing my own thing"  things that cost her dearly. Even a two-bit security firm would have known better than to put the mother of the future king of England in the back of a second hand write-off car driven by a drunk. It really something that Judge Judy would call "dumb".
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2017, 06:26:54 PM »
Diana was the one who refused to have BRF security.. she had to have PPOs with her when she had the boys, but she did not want  to do so when she was on her own....

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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2017, 08:11:43 PM »
And the same argument applies that if Charles did not ditch her, she most likely would not have been in Paris that night.

Diana was wary about Charles' people reporting things and spying.

The mother of a future King of England should have kept the HRH and been assured of security protection by the royals no matter what. It was a stupid reckless move by the royals to cut her loose that way.

Charles shows his true feelings for his late ex by cooperating with people like Junor.
 
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2017, 09:23:33 PM »
Yes, agree about MAH @royalanthropologist & amabel, and to some of the others, he was responsible for her security, as she was his guest, and he had ulterior motives for her being around as RA mentioned,  she had refused the PPO, and even if she was concerned about spying by the royals, she could have used private security firms, like Executive Outcomes,etc. and had Charles pay for it. If the royals wanted to spy on her, they bloody well could with or without a PPO there.

This was one of those times where once she made up her mind, she was very reticent to change it, even if it hurt her. It was the same thing where she would get advice from ppl and do the opposite.

She had a wonderful intuition and heart for peoples emotion, but it seems in matters related to herself, she didnt have as good an outcome, I often wonder if it was that she felt inadequate at times, those hours brooding alone  at KP weren't always the best for her, and there were times when she needed to have her head have a bigger say than her heart...maybe she'd still be here  :xmas4:
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2017, 09:28:01 PM »
MAF was pushing his son to marry Diana. So he should have made sure Diana was safe and taken care of. He overestimated his son's "abilities".

The most basic thing is that the Queen should have let her keep the HRH at least for Will and Harry's sakes.

Diana was out and about and did not have time to brood IMO.

I would say if the medical care had not been the travesty it was in Paris France, she'd be with us today. Even heart specialist Dr. Christiaan Barnard said so.
 
 
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Re: REELZ tv show on Princess Diana's Mercedes
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2017, 10:18:32 PM »
@sandy. Diana was offered security by the queen no less and she declined. She is also on record as having volunteered to give up the HRH title and all her military appointments. All that Diana did unprompted as she sought to manipulate the queen and the family. Of course the queen was going to be angry and of course she was going to accept Diana's word that she wanted neither the HRH nor the royal protection.

It is nothing to do with W&H since they have never advised her or asked her to give up those things. It is her (by her own volition) who gave it up. If you tell lies to people about what you want and need, don't be surprised if they do exactly as you asked. Diana was a grown up 36 year old and quite capable of making her own mind up as to what she wanted. If she chose to lie about it, that was her business.

Since she was no longer representing the queen or married to the queen's heir, a number of things followed. Saying she feared "Charles people" is an insult to members of the armed forces/security people who have served the BRF for years. As if they have nothing better to do that spy on Charles' ex wife.  There was zilch reason for Charles to be spying on her anyway. He had not taken any real interest in Diana's affairs since 1986 (she herself constantly said he ignored her all the time, going as far as inviting one of her current lovers to his parties; a clear sign that he did not care what she did). I doubt he would start ten years later, after they had been divorced.

This was not the BRF doing a "reckless stupid thing".  It was Diana doing that in her paranoid state. Then she compounded it by associating with the likes of MAF and his son. It seems incredulous to me that the queen and BRF are doing exactly what Diana asked them to do...take way the HRH and security.
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