You Gov Poll regarding the new royal engagement

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YouGov | Five charts on Brits' reaction to the Royal engagement Please note that You Gov opinion polls do not contact every adult in the UK to find out their reaction. This holds true for all opinion polls.
Here is a quick summary of the poll.
The You Gov poll asks citizens of the UK their thoughts on the 1. The engagement-Most polled are indifferent to the news. 2. Should Meghan continue to act or take up royal duties-Half  want her to continue acting. 3. How do you view Meghan Markle- Half say they have a favorable opinion /  Who is the most popular member of the royal family-William and Harry tied for first followed by the Queen and Kate.? 4. Who is best suited to be the next monarch and consort?-Most say it's William and Kate 5. How do you feel about a member of the royal family marrying a divorcee, mixed race and foreign bride?-Most say they're comfortable with a foreign born, mixed race, divorced person marrying into the royal family.

Click on the link for the full information.
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amabel

Quote from: TLLK on November 30, 2017, 12:20:30 AM
YouGov | Five charts on Brits' reaction to the Royal engagement Please note that You Gov opinion polls do not contact every adult in the UK to find out their reaction. This holds true for all opinion polls.
Here is a quick summary of the poll.
The You Gov poll asks citizens of the UK their thoughts on the 1. The engagement-Most polled are indifferent to the news. 2. Should Meghan continue to act or take up royal duties-Half  want her to continue acting. 3. How do you view Meghan Markle- Half say they have a favorable opinion /  Who is the most popular member of the royal family-William and Harry tied for first followed by the Queen and Kate.? 4. Who is best suited to be the next monarch and consort?-Most say it's William and Kate 5. How do you feel about a member of the royal family marrying a divorcee, mixed race and foreign bride?-Most say they're comfortable with a foreign born, mixed race, divorced person marrying into the royal family.

Click on the link for the full information.
:)


that is interesting that people seem to be underwhelmed.  The news DOES mean a focus on the youngr royals like Will K Harr and his bride but all the same people don't seem to care a lot?  are they just bored with Harry?  not into "yet another royal marriage?" Its obviously not Meg being American, biracial or divorced...that is a factor, but there seems to be a lack of interest.

Curryong

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You have to remember that this is the social media age, a very different time to when people fell in love with the fairy story of Diana and her Prince. There's a bit of the disinterest a lot of Britons feel about the BRF, just quietly chugging away there in the background of people's lives. Males made up a large proportion of the disinterested. No surprise there. And the Scots were in the higher brackets. Again no surprise.

Also, in the latter half of the year people are concentrating on their own lives, the onset of winter, the run up to Xmas etc. Also, I believe that as Royal weddings  get nearer and there is something more substantial in the way of preparations, then people perk up a bit. I think that happened with William and Kate's wedding. We will just have to see. I expect to see large crowds out on the streets and intense media interest in the wedding too.

TLLK

@amabel-I agree with @Curryong regarding the lack of interest at this point in time. My speculation as an American is that the typical British citizen is more concerned with their day to day activities  and only think about the BRF occasionally. Interest will likely rise as the wedding date approaches. Though since Harry is not going to be the future monarch, there is likely less interest in his wedding when compared to his brother's IMO. Polls show that the nation wants to retain the monarchy, so I don't believe their indifference is due to a desire to change the current form of government.

Glad to see that most polled appear to have a favorable view of Meghan. :Jen: I found it interesting that most would like to see her continue with a regular job instead of taking up royal duties. That was not likely to happen anyways, but it seems that those polled do not have an issue with a member of the BRF choosing a career over traditional role. The Dutch royals seem to have set a good example IMO.

William and Harry are tied with the most favorable views, followed by the Queen, Kate, and Phillip. (Politicians would love to see those percentages!) I am concerned though that Charles and Camilla's favorable views have dropped and that most would prefer another couple (Cambridges) to be the next monarch/consort.

amabel

Quote from: TLLK on November 30, 2017, 03:28:54 PM
@amabel-I agree with @Curryong regarding the lack of interest at this point in time. My speculation as an American is that the typical British citizen is more concerned with their day to day activities  and only think about the BRF occasionally. Interest will likely rise as the wedding date approaches. Though since Harry is not going to be the future monarch, there is likely less interest in his wedding when compared to his brother's IMO. Polls show that the nation wants to retain the monarchy, so I don't believe their indifference is due to a desire to change the current form of government.

Glad to see that most polled appear to have a favorable view of Meghan. :Jen: I found it interesting that most would like to see her continue with a regular job instead of taking up royal duties. That was not likely to happen anyways, but it seems that those polled do not have an issue with a member of the BRF choosing a career over traditional role. The Dutch royals seem to have set a good example IMO.

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I thnk that it shows a lot of indifferernce.  yes people will watch the wedding as it is a show... but I think the fact that people say they would like to see Meg continue acting seems to indicate they are not  that bothered whether she joins the RF in its work...or that they dnt realise that if the monarchy is slimmed down, the 2 sons and their wives will need to take up more work unless the RF is to disappear off the radar.

Curryong

I do think the 'indifference' for Meghan is tied in a great deal with 'We don't know this woman who's marrying in. Who is she?' It has after all been only a year since we all found out she and Harry were dating. There were eight years for the British public to get to know Kate and make up their minds about her. Once Meghan travels around Britain before the wedding and undertakes some joint engagements with Harry, who is very popular, that is likely to change IMO.

I don't know that as the wedding day approaches there will be less excitement about this wedding compared to Will and Kate's. As I've said, Harry has always been popular, and there is also the US factor. US media outlets have been avidly discussing the engagement and have been keen to book a place to see an American marry her Prince.

As for the 'We would like her to have a career' opinion, in my view it ties in with the vague view held by the public that every member of the RF lives off the taxpayer. It's a form of resentment, typified by the average (British) commenter on the Fail that all the royals are bludgers and "Need To Get A Job!!!" I don't think that the average Briton has any idea how Royal finances work, really.

amabel

I think that there's more interest in the US than here, and I think it wasn't all that differnet for Kate and William.  most people I know took no interest in the K and W wedding,  and  I remember that at my office when the one person who did talk about them started up, she would get no response and would stop talking about it.
I do think  there is a slow bleeding away of interest in the RF as a whole.. not that people want to get rid of it but they're less and less into it even as a spectacle. n
But Americans are still interested, at least a lot of them.. and of course with MEg being American there's going to be more people who pay attention to her.  But I was a bit gobsmacked when I saw something on YouTube a couple of days ago, about Meg and Harry and commentary was fairly negative about her.... I don't know if that was frm Americans.

wannable

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She Harry and KP will need to work on her acceptance in the British society.

The yougov polls of 2010 for William and Kate's engagement are available. The couple received more than 50% approval in all questions related to their love story.  In a question do you think William should marry Kate, 77%. Do you think the marriage will bring interest in Britain, 70%....those are considered landslide numbers. There was also tricky question Do you think William and Kate waited too long and should have married earlier, 69% said they got it right.

The yougov poll is pretty much accurate with professional marketing and sales results; sales in numbers GBP 350 million.  Harry and Meghan are foreseen to bring Britain GBP 60 million.

The heir versus the spare, seems to work right.

TLLK

QuoteThe yougov poll is pretty much accurate with professional marketing and sales results; sales in numbers GBP 350 million.  Harry and Meghan are foreseen to bring Britain GBP 60 million
Yes I'd always read that it was a reliable source.

Curryong

The poll numbers quoted for William and Kate underline the point I was making in my previous post about Meghan's poll numbers however. Meghan only became known as a potential member of the BRF last November. So it has been just twelve months. Kate was known for eight years and had eight years of media stories about her before the engagement.

I can't imagine that YouGov did polling on Kate one year after she and William started dating, but if they had asked those questions about their love story, engagement etc in 2003, then the answers and the numbers would have been, I suggest, very very different.

I have always had the deepest respect for YouGov. However I believe they've underestimated the impact of GBP to do with this wedding. Because Meghan is American the interest in her and the wedding is likely to be more than massive.

As well, Harry is as well known in the States as William, perhaps even more so. His involvement with the high profile Invictus Games in Florida, his status as a two time Afghanstan vet (which I've seen mentioned many times on US TV in connection with News items about Harry) friendship with the Obamas, the visit to the Capitol building in Washington which resulted in every female intern and secretary in the place hanging over banisters etc in an effort to get to see him. Senator McClain was bemused and spoke of it as a rock star visit.

William never had that impact on the US, or any other foreign country for that matter. Even here in Australia we have had almost daily TV programmes and segments, docos etc. In the run-up to the William-Kate engagement I can remember precisely one documentary and one TV show. And Harry/Meghan has been on our weekly magazine covers for months. So, as I said, YouGov might be accurate but it's still capable of miscalculations at times.

wannable

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A professional  in the polling area will use the right amount and type of questions. In the supposed case W&K had a whirlwind romance, the question of do you prefer Kate to keep on acting or duties, would change to another type of question. Notice that Meghan got a landslide of keep on acting. That is related to queasiness people may have because of this background. Factor in Kate is British, the identity and patriotism does help a lot, no need to work on PR. She firmly knows her own parliament, constitution monarchy, history and culture.

I digress with the statement, I'm a subscriber paperboy (Australia papers included, one can search historical facts, front to back news), it's the case of the heir and spare again.

Although, numbered polls MAY change from November 2017 to May 2018, that is to be seen. Meanwhile consumer goods will be manufactured more likely towards the poll numbers today.



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Edit to add, I am most certain the questions of W&K would be more nerdy and age factored; both were studying St Andrew's University, in their early twenties. Reversed questioning of they are too young, and is press jumping the gun because they went skiing for holiday at Klosters. I assume that by contrast of the November 2010 poll related to the question of where they too slow in engagement and the public supported at 60 + percent saying they got it right, psychologically tends to they are very serious of their future roll, Britain poll in other words know that they are the future King and Queen Consort.

Both couples have different roles and responsibilities. That would be the first thing one needs to be crystal clear.

Curryong

Yes, well Meghan won't be acting any more. As was said on the engagement interview she will be a working member of the 'Firm'. So that particular question on the poll was irrelevant.

And, judging by how everyone reacted to her today, Kate the Wooden might well be facing some serious competition in the future. And Harry was much loved as always as could be seen by the crowd greeting him in Nottingham. He has, at 81% exactly the same approval ratings as his brother.

wannable

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It's relevant, as that is her very recent past.  It's how to engage the British public via the poll, direct question of who she is, no other kind of relating question, but her acting. The racial question has already been answered and as we see the public is right. It was unnecessary for Harry to pull the racial card, as the public landslide majority do not mind at all a mixed race bride.

In reference to competition, that is one of the things as I said, I hope Meghan is schooled, if she acts out, it will only hurt her and Harry, the BRF will remind her she won't be Queen. Add to that fact she's marrying the 5th soon the 6th in line, she's a pro in acting, red carpeting, Hollywood.  As you said, Kate the Wooden is very likely so as she knows she's the future QC and doesn't have the actor past.  The ranking difference is number 1 to 6. Different roles and responsibilities make the difference.

I know the daily mail will be doing the competition articles quite soon.

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Meanwhile the DM is digging into her past. I suppose they will print a daily diary until the pack of past Meghan cards are over.  She is pictured in the DM posing in a men's mag, 3 years ago.

Curryong

Meghan is posing in a men's lifestyle magazine, hardly porn, and it was three years before she met Harry.

I do not think that it was coincidental that Kate the Wooden was so conveniently papped at a railway station in a new coat on the day Harry was proudly showing off his new fiancee at Nottingham. Future Queen Consort or not, it's Kate that throughout her courtship with William was always very much aware of other women that might poach her prize, giving women who came too near death glares in nightclubs. Quite pathetic and sad really.

She has reigned supreme throughout her marriage by being the only Royal woman of her generation so far. Now there's competition afoot for public popularity, and as a proprietary move she appears in public at a railway station!!!

You write as if the three Cambridge children were ready to assume Royal responsibities right now, pushing Harry and his wife into the background. It will be 20-25 years at least before they've finished their education and George his service training, a quarter of a century in which Harry, one of only two sons of the future King Charles, will be required for Royal duties, just as he is now, as will his wife.

Even when William is King (and that could be twenty years or more into the future, Harry will be the King's only brother, and he and his wife will be required for Royal duties.

So the impression you seem to wish to give, ie that Kate is so important and Harry and his wife are just unimportant ciphers is completely off-beam. Kate may spend the next quarter of a century as Princess of Wales. That doesn't make her the First Lady of the kingdom. She will still be behind Camilla. And, unlike Harry she wasn't born Royal.

TLLK

QuoteI know the daily mail will be doing the competition articles quite soon.

The tabloids know that they're a lucrative business, so I'm sure that they've been waiting for this opportunity. Hopefully KP's residents are prepared for them and will do their best to ignore these pieces. :xmas4:

royalanthropologist

Plus the huge amounts of ignorance. The King and Consort's position in the UK are not open to application or popularity contests. It is an outrage that Meghan would even be included as a possible queen consort. Just goes to show the dumbing down of society. Everything is a popularity context these days.
"In the past, people were born royal. Nowadays, royalty comes from what you do"...Gianni Versace

TLLK

Quote from: amabel on December 01, 2017, 06:17:26 AM
I thnk that it shows a lot of indifferernce.  yes people will watch the wedding as it is a show... but I think the fact that people say they would like to see Meg continue acting seems to indicate they are not  that bothered whether she joins the RF in its work...or that they dnt realise that if the monarchy is slimmed down, the 2 sons and their wives will need to take up more work unless the RF is to disappear off the radar.
It could continue with the same number but I believe that eventually the British Monarchy will be modeled after the Dutch, Spanish or Norwegian models in which the majority of the duties are covered only by the monarch/consort, adult heir/spouse with some help from an abdicated monarch  or an adult sibling. Regional patronages will be incorporated into national ones, so the monarch is able to meet their  additional obligations as HoS with fewer people.

amabel

True TLLK, that's what I mean. I think the monarchy will continue but it wont be really the "popular entertainment" it used to be.  There has always been a certain amount of indifference but now I think that there will be less "devoited little old lady royalists",  who will want to read about the Queen and the family and go to see them.
I think that Will and Kate are Ok but not really the type to engender a lot of enthusiasm.  harry is more popular but who know what he will be seen as in the future.  It is hard to predict.  Sarah was also seen in her day as a "breath of fresh air" and was considered a fun lively member of the Firm and was enthuasistic about doing her job.  But it didn't last.  And the Brtish public are very apt to have a big enthuasiasm for someone and then cool on them. 
There is a lot of gush in the press, (ridiculous adoration)and the adored one can do no wrong.. and then one day, they make a few mistakes and the Press and public suddenly lose interest and get hostile and the favourite is now not liked.. and everything they do is wrong.
So for a  royal family problaby the best thing is to be "Ok but nothing special" in the estimation of the public.. and to go abuot your job, quietly, with a bit of press attention but not too much.. and I think that that other RF's have adopted this set up, where only a very few members of the family are doing public work, and they get a bit of attention and are accepted as doing their job, but not problaby adored by most.
Some years ago the fact that the BRF had a Large contingent doing royal work sort of developed, and was accepted as a good thing, a big cast of people to "follow".
but over the years I think that particularly Charles could  see that this meant that the public were probably going to get bored with so much royal coverage, that the public felt that "we're payng for too many people"! (Even if it wasn't true) and that if even a minor royal screwed up, in a small way, it reflected badly on all of them..and he seems to have resolved to slim down and adopt the " only a few royals working" pattern...


sandy

Meghan's not acting anymore. Though she may be assigned patronages related to theatre.

amabel

Of course she's not acting. but the fact that a lot of people on this poll said she should continue with it, suggests to me that either they don't know a lot really about the RF, and how it works, or that they feel "well we don't really care what she does, she'd be beter off earning her own money than living on the taxpayer..."

TLLK

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Quote from: sandy on December 02, 2017, 12:33:25 PM
Meghan's not acting anymore. Though she may be assigned patronages related to theatre.
Yes I can see her being approached by various programs that use film or theater as a form of therapy and then accepting the position of president or patron. :nod:

@amabel-It seems to me that the poll suggests that the public would be fine with a member of the BRF having a full time job and limited royal duties or part-time paid position with part-time royal duties much like William did with EACH.
Originally the Wessexes were going to try and do the former-(full time with limited royal duties) but due to a variety of reasons that didn't work out. Perhaps the public feels it would be acceptable for BRF members to try this again.

Now personally I believe it would be difficult for Harry and Meghan to do anything but royal duties especially if Charles' supposed desire to "slim down" the monarchy is true. However it doesn't mean that others couldn't do the same in the future.
For the time being Harry is still considered a "part time" royal so we'll have to wait and see  when that status might change. Probably when Charles has the funds available to finance the activities of six adults.

amabel

but that's kind of the point.  The Wessexes should have relaised that being in business, esp PR, or even "show business" is not really on for royals. Its open to accusations of favouritism, of "not doing the Royal job properly" etc. and the pair of them were so inept, that they made a big hash of the business and ended up I think with the queen telling them to go full time. 
I think the public's saying "we don't really care, what they do as long as they do a bit of charity wrork, don't get into scandals, don't spend too much." 
and perhaps the respondents didn't think that if Meg did continue acting.. well it would be impossible. She'd be opne to accusations of "she only got the part because of who she is.. she's not a very good actress" or "why does she need to be supported by Charles or the tax payer if she is working?