Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information

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amabel

#100
He was te one who was dissatisfied with the original verdict that it was an accident.  he was also the one who hired the bodyguards and Henri Paul.. come ot that.
And he has spent some ten years putting out misinformation and outright lies about Di's death.

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
If she was on birth control while seeing Kahn, the implication is that there would be a high likelihood that she also was when with Dodi.  Nothing more, and not an indication that there was a plot to trash her.

Why was it relevant whether or not she was pregnant ... I don't know. Cindy
IIRC one of the stewardesses on the boat said that she had seen Di's pills in her room, and a masseuse who massaged her said that she did a massage of a kind that a pregnant woman would not have wanted done.. as it might cause harm. 
Fayed is the one who has put forward all these  unpleasant stories that Di was pregnant, when I am pretty darn sure she would never have become pregnant outside of marriage... and that she and Dodi were going to marry and that that was why they were killed.  I think that the indications are that Di was getting bored with Dodi by the end of the holiday and probably would have ended the romance.. and that she'd have been very careful about getting pregnant by a man she'd only known a  short time... If she was careful about taking her Pill when she was in a fairly steady relationship with Khan, a man  she did love and wanted to marry, I'm sure she'd have been even more careful with a holdday romance. I even wonder if she and Dodi were actual lovers, at that stage.  She might have just taken the pill as  a general precaution.

sandy

Whatever other people said  about the birth control was hearsay.

Nobody knows what would have turned out or how the participants felt --they both died.

Eri

Quote from: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
So the purpose of the inquest was not to find out the truth but to disprove Dodi's father's claims...  :hmm:
Well he was the one throwing accusations left and right he blamed everyone but The Pope for the accident !!!  :Lothwen:

Limabeany

Yes...  :hmm: While Charles blamed everyone but himself for his cheating (only after his marriage was irretrievable broken, he would never cheat otherwise, apparently screwing Camilla while she was married goes by another name...) One would have thought he would consider Dodi's father a kindred spirit then?  :orchid:
"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

amabel

#104
What has Charles got ot do with Mohamed Al Fayed and his attitude to the Death of Diana and Dodi?  Do you really think they are comparable?

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
If s
Why was it relevant whether or not she was pregnant ... I don't know.  But it always seems to come up in these situations, and it always seems to be relevant.  As a matter of fact, when Mary Jo Kopechne drowned in Chappaquiddick, it was rumored that she was pregnant, too, and a big deal was made of it. :shrug:



Cindy
The pregnancy was relevant in that part of the reason for the "alleged plot to murder DI" was that "she was pregnant by a Muslim" and the "secret service, the RF etc etc" would not allow William the future King to have a Muslim half brother.  If Al Fayed had not mouthed off with these ideas of his, the question would not have arisen.

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 02:50:31 PM
Actually, Khan's statement about Diana using birth control may have been relevant, since there were rampant rumors that she'd been pregnant when she died.  But if it was known that she was on birth control, that would put those rumors to rest.  And really, there's nothing shameful about being on birth control, so that surely wouldn't be an attempt to trash her.

I don't know how much Henri Paul reacted to alcohol, but he was seen drinking.  Maybe he wasn't seen by the bodyguard, but he's on video, having a couple of d
People may not agree with the verdict handed down by the inquiry, but that doesn't mean it's either wrong or right.  And it doesn't mean that it was held just to trash Diana. 

Cindy
Of course it wasn't' an attempt to trash her..It was to try and find out the truth and put the whole story to rest.  And MAF seeems to have accepted the verdict..
If anything the investigation seems to portray Diana, in spite of her faults, as a responsible woman in many respects.  She did break off with Khan to have some kind of relationship with Dodi, but I would say that the inquest  made it clear that she wasn't planning on marrying him and she was using contraception and wasn't pregnant or likely to get pregnant.
the whole mess was more to do with Fayed and his messy organisation. 
Henri Paul certainly did have a couple of drinks that night and he may have had more.. plus, as you say he was taking anti depressants.  the bodyguards were messed about by Dodi, changing his plans, and weren't able to stand up to him, or they would lose tehir jobs.  But if Dodi had not had the idea of a decoy driver, Henry Paul wouldn't have been called in at short notice to do a job he wasn't really qualified for, expert driving, and there would have been 2 bodyguards in the car.. not just one.  (better still of course Dodi should have stayed at the Ritz for the night and sent a servant to get their things from his apartment).   
if there WERE defective seatbelts, or no seatbelts, then Diana and Dodi should have refused to get in the car... and waited till another one could be procured.


sandy

Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2013, 06:30:46 AM
What has Charles got ot do with Mohamed Al Fayed and his attitude to the Death of Diana and Dodi?  Do you really think they are comparable?

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
If s
Why was it relevant whether or not she was pregnant ... I don't know.  But it always seems to come up in these situations, and it always seems to be relevant.  As a matter of fact, when Mary Jo Kopechne drowned in Chappaquiddick, it was rumored that she was pregnant, too, and a big deal was made of it. :shrug:



Cindy
The pregnancy was relevant in that part of the reason for the "alleged plot to murder DI" was that "she was pregnant by a Muslim" and the "secret service, the RF etc etc" would not allow William the future King to have a Muslim half brother.  If Al Fayed had not mouthed off with these ideas of his, the question would not have arisen.

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 02:50:31 PM
Actually, Khan's statement about Diana using birth control may have been relevant, since there were rampant rumors that she'd been pregnant when she died.  But if it was known that she was on birth control, that would put those rumors to rest.  And really, there's nothing shameful about being on birth control, so that surely wouldn't be an attempt to trash her.

I don't know how much Henri Paul reacted to alcohol, but he was seen drinking.  Maybe he wasn't seen by the bodyguard, but he's on video, having a couple of d
People may not agree with the verdict handed down by the inquiry, but that doesn't mean it's either wrong or right.  And it doesn't mean that it was held just to trash Diana. 

Cindy
Of course it wasn't' an attempt to trash her..It was to try and find out the truth and put the whole story to rest.  And MAF seeems to have accepted the verdict..
If anything the investigation seems to portray Diana, in spite of her faults, as a responsible woman in many respects.  She did break off with Khan to have some kind of relationship with Dodi, but I would say that the inquest  made it clear that she wasn't planning on marrying him and she was using contraception and wasn't pregnant or likely to get pregnant.
the whole mess was more to do with Fayed and his messy organisation. 
Henri Paul certainly did have a couple of drinks that night and he may have had more.. plus, as you say he was taking anti depressants.  the bodyguards were messed about by Dodi, changing his plans, and weren't able to stand up to him, or they would lose tehir jobs.  But if Dodi had not had the idea of a decoy driver, Henry Paul wouldn't have been called in at short notice to do a job he wasn't really qualified for, expert driving, and there would have been 2 bodyguards in the car.. not just one.  (better still of course Dodi should have stayed at the Ritz for the night and sent a servant to get their things from his apartment).   
if there WERE defective seatbelts, or no seatbelts, then Diana and Dodi should have refused to get in the car... and waited till another one could be procured.

The bodyguard was paid by Al Fayed.  His job was the safety of his charges. He got badly hurt and claimed he lost his memory. 

Nothing was "made clear" in the inquest. What others said was hearsay like someone saying she saw the birth control pills. It was pointless because only the two who died had the answers.

marine2109

QuoteThe theories surrounding
the tragic death of Diana

The accident that killed the Princess of Wales 16 years ago has always been shrouded in mystery. What could have been behind this? Here the theories that try to explain.

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cinrit

QuoteWe Could Never Have Hurt Our Darling Princess Diana, Says SAS Hero

A former SAS officer has hit back at claims that an elite special services squad assassinated Princess Diana,  insisting that she was the regiment's "darling".

John Geddes, who served as a warrant officer, said conspiracy theories had "maligned" the reputation of the SAS and were "poisonous" rumours with no basis.

He also criticised former SAS sniper Sgt Danny Nightingale and another officer — known only as Soldier N — for "letting the regiment down" after they were convicted of possessing a gun and ammunition in a case which gave rise to the latest rumours.

We could never have hurt our darling Princess Diana, says SAS hero - UK - News - London Evening Standard

Cindy
Always be yourself.  Unless you can be a unicorn.  Then always be a unicorn.

Limabeany

EXCLUSIVE: How David Cameron knew of Princess Diana 'murder plot' | UK | News | Daily Express

QuoteThe Prime Minister and General Sir Peter Wall were sent copies of a letter claiming members of the elite regiment killed the princess.

They and Defence Secretary Philip Hammond, who also received the letter, now face being questioned by Scotland Yard over why they did not act and remained silent.

Number 10 and the Ministry of Defence were informed of the alleged crime in February by the wife of a former SAS soldier, the Daily Express can reveal. Scotland Yard is now investigating the murder claims but detectives only learned of the allegations following a complaint by Mohammed Al Fayed, whose son Dodi died alongside Diana.

The wife of the SAS veteran, who can only be identified as Soldier N, wrote to General Wall amid fears that her life was in danger from her husband.

She sent copies to Mr Cameron and Mr Hammond. Also enclosed were copies of a letter sent by her mother to the ­ SAS's commanding officer in September 2011 which contained the original allegation linking the SAS to the death of Diana.

A key passage in the wife's letter says her husband threatened to make her "disappear" by tampering with her car.

It is a chilling echo of a note written by Diana's lawyer Lord Mishcon during a conversation with her in which she predicted her death.

On March 1, a Downing Street official acknowledges receipt of the letter and adds: "I am writing on behalf of the Prime Minister to thank you for the copy of your letter and enclosure of 11 February addressed to the Chief of the General Staff.

"I was sorry to hear of the difficulties you are experiencing. Mr Cameron appreciates you taking the time and trouble to share your concerns."

General Wall responds to the letter on March 4 and is clearly concerned by the nature of the allegations but crucially, like the Prime Minister, he does not mention any reference to Diana and the murder allegations. He writes: "I was very concerned to read your allegations against your estranged husband and your fears for your safety, and have been in touch with his regiment to see what measures can be taken to address this situation."

The note concludes by adding that he is copying the letter to "the Director of Special Forces and the Commanding Officer of the Special Air Service Regiment".

Diana, Dodi and driver Henri Paul died when their car smashed into a pillar in the Pont de L'Alma underpass in Paris in August 1997.

Soldier N allegedly told his wife that the crash was caused after an SAS hit team flashed a blinding light at Paul. The claim appears to support testimony from an ex MI6 spy at the inquest into Diana and Dodi's death who said he was aware of a colleague's proposal to kill Serbian leader ­Slobodan Milosevic by using a strobe light in a tunnel to distract his driver.

He revealed the existence of a shadowy unit within the SAS known as The Increment for the purposes of carrying out lethal operations on behalf of MI6. The original allegations that the SAS was involved in the deaths were passed to the Yard in July following the complaint by former Harrods owner Al Fayed.


"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

cinrit

Quote'SAS Assassinated Diana by Shining Light Into Her Driver's Face': Extraordinary claim by special forces soldier who gave William advanced driving lessons said to be reason why Scotland Yard has reopened case

An SAS soldier claimed Princess Diana was killed after a member of the elite unit shone a light in her driver's face causing him to crash, it has been claimed.

The man, known only as Soldier N, is said to have made the astonishing allegations to his wife after taking Prince William on an advanced driving course in 2008.

Scotland Yard reportedly decided to review the historic case 16 years after Diana's death in a Paris underpass, after interviewing the woman who insists her former husband was telling the truth.  And in a dramatic twist, the investigation could unearth recordings of the crash after security experts today revealed Diana's phone was bugged.

'SAS assassinated Diana by shining light into her driver's face': Extraordinary claim by special forces soldier who gave William advanced driving

QuoteDavid Cameron and the Head of the Army 'Were Sent Letter Claiming SAS Killed Diana but Failed to Act'

David Cameron and the head of the army, General Sir Peter Wall, both received letters in February containing a claim that the SAS killed Princess Diana – but neither alerted the police to the matter.

Diana, Dodi and their driver were killed when their Mercedes crashed in the Pont de L'Alma underpass in Paris in August 1997. 

A former SAS sniper - known only as Soldier N - believes the Princess of Wales' death was carried out by British special forces who then 'covered it up'.

David Cameron and the head of the Army 'were sent letter claiming SAS killed Diana but failed to act' | Mail Online

Cindy
Always be yourself.  Unless you can be a unicorn.  Then always be a unicorn.

Tiara

'Spies taped Diana's crash and bugged her phone'

DONAL MACINTYRE INVESTIGATION: 'Spies taped Diana's crash and bugged her phone' | UK | News | Daily Express

QuoteIf made public, the phone recordings could help throw light on sensational claims by former SAS serviceman ­Soldier N that Diana was murdered by an SAS assassination squad.

The bugging claim came as a separate Sunday Express investigation revealed that film footage of Diana's last hours was "kept secret". An exhaustive inquiry in the French cap­ital has confirmed the existence of CCTV records of the night Diana died in August 1997.

Many belong to private companies who used France's strict privacy laws to avoid having to hand them over to the police.

Just as crucially, a key traffic camera overlooking the scene of the crash in the Alma Tunnel was said to be switched off or malfunctioning.
Princess Diana was a human being, with all the faults of most of us, but also with a bigger heart than most of us. As I discovered on that last mission for humanity, there was an underlying humility which, at least to me, redeems all. - Nelson Mandela

Limabeany

 :thanks: Tiara!

QuoteA key UK security industry source who served in the military told the Sunday Express that GCHQ remotely switched on recorder modes right up to the moment the couple took their fatal Paris car trip.

If made public, the phone recordings could help throw light on sensational claims by former SAS serviceman ­Soldier N that Diana was murdered by an SAS assassination squad.

The bugging claim came as a separate Sunday Express investigation revealed that film footage of Diana's last hours was "kept secret". An exhaustive inquiry in the French cap­ital has confirmed the existence of CCTV records of the night Diana died in August 1997.

Many belong to private companies who used France's strict privacy laws to avoid having to hand them over to the police.

Just as crucially, a key traffic camera overlooking the scene of the crash in the Alma Tunnel was said to be switched off or malfunctioning.

However, one operator contacted 16 years on said: "Images would have been available if people wanted them to be. The truth is that every excuse poss­ible was made to make sure that live film could be kept secret.

"This suited lots of powerful people, especially those who wanted to dismiss the crash as a simple traffic accident."

The operator, who asked not to be identified because he "fears for my safety", said he was convinced that all available film was "rounded up and hidden or destroyed".
Military sources have claimed Diana's driver, Henri Paul, was blinded with an intense flash of light forcing him to lose control of their Mercedes on an underpass after leaving the Ritz hotel.
Now the security source, a specialist operative who has engaged in "black ops", is alleging that Diana's phone was accessed remotely, even when switched off.

"There is no doubt that this technology was used on Diana and all around her, and for very human reasons she was regularly listened to live in the moment," said the source.

GCHQ operatives spent a great deal of time recording and listening live because she was a priority intelligence target and a direct threat to the Crown, he said.

"More than that, she was an icon and the most famous woman in the world at the time and analysts are vulnerable to curiosity as much as anyone else and would have wanted and had the capacity to listen live to the conversations in the car as it sped away from the Ritz."

As well as these claims, there are suspicions that CCTV cameras were tampered with on the night of the crash.
Pascal Poulain was the commander of the Paris Information and Control Centre which was ultimately responsible for the Alma Tunnel camera that night. Interviewed by British investigators, he said: "In view of the scale of the accident, we tried to see the scene of the accident, using the camera situated at Place de l'Alma.

"That was impossible. In fact the screen showed only a blurred yellow light. We tried to manipulate the camera, that is to use the zoom and manoeuvre it, in vain. We did not have the control.

"By that I mean that another section must have been using the camera and manipulating it and must have not released it.

"It had remained under remote control on another section's ­control panel. But it could also have been due to it being out of order."

Speaking further about the crash, Mr Poulain said that any order to record images taken by the camera would have to have been taken "at the highest level of authority and not by a police officer".

A spokesman for Paris Urban Traffic Units said they stopped using the camera at 11pm, around an hour and 20 minutes before the crash. In the late Nineties, police officer Eric Gigou led a team given the task of collecting all CCTV images on the route from the Ritz to the Alma underpass.

Many belonged to private businesses including hotels and restaurants, as well as a government department, which said that the cameras were facing away from the road, making the film useless.

In an official report, Lieutenant Gigou wrote: "The surveillance cameras on the private and public buildings along the route are only trained on the fronts of the buildings they protect."

For this reason, and the fact that many of the private companies objected to anyone seeing the film, the CCTV images were not made available.

Lieutenant Marc Monot, of the Paris Criminal Brigade, said he visited the Ministry of Justice building next door to the Ritz and requested to see their CCTV footage.

According to the same official papers, "he reported that there were no images that contributed to the inquiry because cameras were positioned on ledges and did not provide any discernible detail".

The use of the vague term "discernible detail" has particularly concerned those who think Diana may have been targeted by assassins, especially as it has effectively been used to keep the footage a secret.

Another part of the mystery is that the Mercedes Benz S-Class involved in the crash had been stolen from a restaurant several months earlier.

It was found after two weeks in a Paris suburb with some small but very specific electronic parts missing.

The parts came from devices within the car's Electronic Management System and were found to control the electric windows, power steering rack and the anti-lock braking system.
"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

cinrit

QuoteSpecial Forces Sniper Who Claimed SAS Assassinated Diana by Shining Light Into Her Driver's Face 'Has Fled Britain'

The SAS soldier who made astonishing claims Princess Diana was murdered by special forces has apparently fled Britain just days before he is set to be questioned by police.

The former sniper, known only as soldier N, is said to have left the country as Scotland Yard launches a new investigation into the Princess' death.

He allegedly told his wife that a member of an elite unit shone a light in her chauffeur's face causing him to crash in August 1997.

Special forces sniper who claimed SAS assassinated Diana by shining light into her driver's face 'has fled Britain' | Mail Online

Cindy

Always be yourself.  Unless you can be a unicorn.  Then always be a unicorn.

Limabeany

"You don't have to be pretty. You don't owe prettiness to anyone. Not to your boyfriend/spouse/partner, not to your co-workers, especially not to random men on the street. You don't owe it to your mother, you don't owe it to your children, you don't owe it to civilization in general. Prettiness is not a rent you pay for occupying a space marked 'female'." Diana Vreeland.

cinrit

QuoteEx-Soldier Who Claimed Diana Was Murdered by the SAS and Then Fled to the Middle East to be Quizzed by Police

The former SAS soldier who claims Princess Diana was murdered by his old regiment will face police within days over the allegations.

The disgraced sniper, known as Soldier N, will face interrogation by top detectives at Scotland Yard this week after he came out of hiding in the Middle East.

Last week it was reported that he had fled the country in fear of his life after his high profile claims that SAS soldiers flashed lights to deliberately blind the driver of Diana's car and cause a collision.

Ex-soldier who claimed Diana was murdered by the SAS and then fled to the Middle East to be quizzed by police | Mail Online

Cindy
Always be yourself.  Unless you can be a unicorn.  Then always be a unicorn.


HereditaryPrincess

#117
NB: I removed the article I had posted as it didn't related to the police releasing new information about Diana's death and I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread.

Apologies for that. :blush:



cinrit

QuoteInvestigation Closed Into 'Princess Diana Killed by British Special Forces' Claim by ex-SAS Sniper

Scotland Yard have closed their investigation into an ex-SAS sniper's claim that British special forces killed Princess Diana.

Detectives launched the probe after "Soldier N" alleged his old regiment was ordered to kill the royal.  He told his wife that an SAS squad flashed a blinding light at Diana's driver and caused the crash that killed her in Paris in 1997 – a ­technique developed to ­combat terrorists.

Soldier N's claims were sent to Scotland Yard in July after the court-martial of SAS sniper Danny Nightingale.

More: 'Princess Diana killed by British special forces' claim by ex-SAS sniper - investigation closed - Mirror Online

Cindy
Always be yourself.  Unless you can be a unicorn.  Then always be a unicorn.

sandy


Eri

What a spectacular waist of Police time and tax payer's money !!!  :ugh:

sandy


cinrit

QuoteScotland Yard Should Forget About Diana, Says Friend Rosa Monckton

One of Princess Diana's closest friends has hit out at Scotland Yard for taking seriously "wild allegations" made by a former disgraced SAS soldier that she was murdered.

The man, known only as Soldier N, has alleged there was a plot by elite troops to arrange the Princess's death in a Paris underpass and then cover it up as an accident.  Detectives launched a "scoping" exercise to study the claim earlier this year but after several months work on the case it now appears that no further action will be taken.

Diana's confidante Rosa Monckton, 60, who is convinced the Princess's death was accidental, said: "Frankly I do not understand why the police even bothered to reopen the case based on such wild allegations."  Speaking from Monaco, where she is on holiday with a friend, she added: "It seems that everyone from the man in the street to the men in uniform find it impossible to accept that such an extraordinary woman could die in such an ordinary way."

More: Scotland Yard should forget about Diana, says friend Rosa Monckton | Royal | News | Daily Express

Cindy
Always be yourself.  Unless you can be a unicorn.  Then always be a unicorn.

Eri

^ When can I send this person flowers?  :blowkiss:

sandy

Even if something sinister happened, it will be suppressed.  This outcome is no surprise.