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Title: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 16, 2013, 08:09:32 PM
BBC broadcaster Nicholas Owen calls for answers over the death of Diana, Princess of Wales - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10246024/BBC-broadcaster-Nicholas-Owen-calls-for-answers-over-the-death-of-Diana-Princess-of-Wales.html)

Quote:

"As the 16th anniversary of the death of Diana, Princess of Wales approaches, the BBC broadcaster Nicholas Owen is still seeking answers.

"I think she was killed by a drunk driver, but there are a lot of unanswered questions about what happened in those desperate days," says Owen, who covered the car crash in Paris that killed Diana as ITV's then royal correspondent.

"There were some very strange things about it, which I wish we could have answered."

Owen, who also presents a weekly show on Classic FM, went on to have a good working working relationship with Diana's sons, the Duke of Cambridge and Prince Harry.

"They called me 'Mr Owen', as members of the Royal family always did, which made me laugh, because no one else had done since I started in journalism." "
Title: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: SophieChloe on August 17, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
Diana's Death: Police Passed New Information (http://news.sky.com/story/1129902/dianas-death-police-passed-new-information)

Wonder what that could be? 
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 17, 2013, 04:47:41 PM
I am not a big fan of coincidences or taking your time to release information, that is why I don't believe there was nothing amiss with her death...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sara8150 on August 17, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Police investigate new information related to the death of Princess Diana
Princess Diana death: Metropolitan Police are examining new information for its relevance and credibility - hellomagazine.com (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2013081714160/princess-diana-death-new-information/)

Princess Diana's death to be looked at again by cops after they receive information
Princess Diana's death to be looked at again by cops after they receive information - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-dianas-death-looked-again-2179191)

Diana death: New information assessed by Scotland Yard
BBC News - Diana death: New information assessed by Scotland Yard (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23741483)

Met Police is passed new information about the death of Princess Diana and is 'assessing its relevance and credibility'
Met Police is passed new information about the deaths of Princess Diana and is 'assessing its relevance and credibility' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396208/Met-Police-passed-new-information-deaths-Princess-Diana-assessing-relevance-credibility.html)

Scotland Yard examines new information on death of Diana, Princess of Wales
Scotland Yard examines new information on death of Diana, Princess of Wales - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/10249663/Scotland-Yard-examines-new-information-on-death-of-Diana-Princess-of-Wales.html)

Title: Re: Diana\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on August 17, 2013, 06:34:35 PM
I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, so I've never paid much attention to the ones circling around Diana's death.  Still, I'm curious.  I've never understood why they found it necessary to try to outrace the paparazzi, since they're always going to get their pictures, anyway.  Smile, let them take the picture, then drive away safely.  I'll never understand the need for that speed.

Cindy

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And so the rumors begin.  From Twitter:

Peter Hunt ‏@BBCPeterHunt 50m
It's understood the allegation re: Diana was made by the former parents-in-law of
a former soldier based on info he talked about in the past

Peter Hunt ‏@BBCPeterHunt 52m
The info @metpoliceuk is examining is thought to include an allegation that Diana and Dodi were murdered by a member of the British military

Paul Harrison ‏@SkyNewsRoyal 1h
#royal #Diana According to Sky sources, the information - yet to be deemed relevant by Met - came from parents-in-law of former soldier

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 17, 2013, 07:11:18 PM
This has been posted before, but from what I've read, Dodi was most likely responsible for the excessive speed and Henri Paul had no choice but obey the boss's son.  Still, even if new hard unimpeachable evidence pointed to the royal family, who here thinks the information would ever see the light of day?  How would William and Harry respond to such evidence?  Reason enough to keep it buried.

FYI:  I've never bought into the conspiracy theory.  Staging a traffic accident is too iffy a way to kill someone.  Rees-Jones survived, anyone else could have too.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 17, 2013, 07:15:13 PM
Good thinking, Mike. But, the questions remain, why so many  delays in the information... Why were all the cameras off at the tunnel only at that time... And, others I can't remember now... As, I said, coincidences also bother me...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: SophieChloe on August 17, 2013, 07:45:22 PM
Why was the tunnel cleaned and re-opened so quickly?

Quote from: Mike on August 17, 2013, 07:11:18 PM
FYI:  I've never bought into the conspiracy theory.  Staging a traffic accident is too iffy a way to kill someone.  Rees-Jones survived, anyone else could have too.
Yes, too obvious a way to kill someone - I agree - far too obvious.  That is why I have never been comfortable with the outcome. 

Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Trudie on August 17, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
I'm curious to see what this new information is. Not that I believe in conspiracies but I have always thought based on the camera's not operating which was strange that some rogue courtier may have thought to deal with Diana to spare the royal family any embarrassment over her summer romance with a quite unsuitable man. It would not be that far fetched based on the actions during the investigation and sloppy police that night a high ranking official could have arranged it. I will say however that I will never believe that any member of the royal family was involved Al Fayed was and still is totally wrong there.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on August 17, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Diana did write in a note that Charles was planning to have her killed in a car accident, but she said there would be a problem with the brakes.  The accident didn't have anything to do with brake trouble, so that eliminates that.  I'd think trying to kill someone in a car accident would be very iffy ... what if they survived?  Would you have to try again at another time?  And how many people would agree to a suicide mission to cause a (hopefully) fatal accident, anyway?

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 18, 2013, 12:27:32 AM
New conspiracy claim in Princess Diana death sparks talk - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/17/world/europe/england-princess-diana/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 18, 2013, 12:45:06 AM
Interesting, but if it's true it'll get buried. Royals and politicians have the means to get away with anything. The days of Woodward and Bernstein are long gone, and there certainly are no real journalists among the UK royal reporter pack...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: FanDianaFancy on August 18, 2013, 04:59:48 AM
It was a conspiracy!

I knew it!!
Yes, they  poured trhe drinks down  Henri  Paul.
Yesh, they  held  PD's mouth and made her mouth the  words to  her TPTB    that she wanted less security.
Yes, it  them who made  Henri  that   armoured vehicle  at  airplane speed  and that is why  it  crumbled and folded  like  you  crush a  soda  can.
Yes, it  was  them who  led  PD and  DF  by the hand and pushed them in the car  to  go to his other house rahter then  make them stay  at  his  apartment  at   his  hotle. He only ,wel indirectly, owned the hotel.
Yeha, yeah.

LOL.
No, I  do not believe  in the  conspiracy theories  either.

How it happened?
PD  did not take with her  the proper security.
PD and DF  should  have simply stayed  at  his apt. or suite at his  hotel. Goodness knows  the Fayed  had a  full home there.It  was late.
Papa  were  following as they  were  outside when D and D left.
Whenever D stepped out ,she  had  paps.

It was a  fatal, sad twist  of fate.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on August 18, 2013, 06:42:18 AM
Quote from: cinrit on August 17, 2013, 06:34:35 PM
I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, so I've never paid much attention to the ones circling around Diana's death.  Still, I'm curious.  I've never understood why they found it necessary to try to outrace the paparazzi, since they're always going to get their pictures, anyway.  Smile, let them take the picture, then drive away safely.  I'll never understand the need for that speed.



Peter


I don't think you have to look further than Dodis' stupidity and lack of experience at dealing with a real "situation", and Henri Paul's having taken a few drinks and Prozac.   Dodi had bodyguards because he was rich and his father was paranoid, but the truth is that nobody knew Dodi from  hole in the ground and there was never likely to be any real threat against him or even people taking his picture.  So I think he was rattled by the media chasing him and Diana and wanted to look like he knew what he was doing, to take care of it.  but he didn't,  His guards weren't experienced at handling it, either because he was always messing them around and not letting them do their job.  And becuase of htat, he ended up with Paul, who wans not a trained driver, and who ahd been off duty and wasn't sober, driving the car and only 1 guard with them.  and mabye another car clipped their car, or made Henri lose control and the accidnet happened. 
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 18, 2013, 06:46:32 AM
The stench of coverup was high almost from the start. Something was never quite right with that... It should have been more open and shut than it was... :hmm:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on August 18, 2013, 06:52:50 AM
It was open and shut.  But the French have a tendency to do investigations that collect a large amount of information which ca be hard to sift.. and I think that at the time of the original enquiry, it was done too quickly, probably out of embarrassment at things like the cameras being off etc.   But that is hardly an unusual thing.  In the 90s there was a case where a boy was killed, in London, and the police didn't do a  great job of investigating, but one thing, IIRC was that CCTV cameras in the area had no film in them...
Happens quite often, due to just human error or cost cutting.
And the investigation a few years ago was IMO 100% thorough and made ti clear that Mohammad Al Fayed's bad organisation and the paparazzi were pretty much responsible for the tragedy.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 18, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
This whole thing might just be another attempt by some in the media, or other areas, to make money.  The anniversary is coming up as is the movie.  It may all be a sham.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Lothwen on August 18, 2013, 04:44:17 PM
^I agree.  There was no "conspiracy" IMO.  The driver most likely thought they were staying at the hotel for the night, so he had a few drinks (or however many) in the bar, and then Dodi and/or Diana decided they wanted to leave (do we know where they were going?) and when they saw that the paps were chasing them, they drove even faster, and then the driver (who was drunk on his own accord) lost control and crashed the car.  That's it, end of story.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on August 18, 2013, 05:23:23 PM
He was not the driver.  He was the head of security at the Ritz.  Dodi messed around with the plans, and wanted to have a decoy car driven by the drive and Henri P was asked to come in and drive the "real car.  He had been drinking because he was off duty.  They were going to Dodi's flat to stay the night and collect their clothes.  It was a mess, brought on by Dodi's stupidity.  He could quite easily have sent a staff member to collect their things and stayed the night at the Ritz and left early the next morning when some of the paparazzi might have given up.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on August 18, 2013, 05:39:43 PM
Yes, Henri Paul was a last-minute addition.  He didn't expect to be driving that night.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: dianab on August 18, 2013, 05:58:39 PM
Henri Paul was a driver too... when they arrive that day in Paris, Henri Paul was one of drivers, he was driving the car which was with part of entourage... the butler of Dodi & others (of entourage) said in inquest when they arrive in Paris they were driven by Henri Paul, in their opinion they thinks that Henri Paul liked driving too fast... and the driver with Diana & Dodi in that day was another one. According to some the idea of Dodi was left Ritz for exit of back in the hotel with a different driver as all the paparazzi were in the hotel's entrance and know who was the driver Diana & Dodi were using during the day... the plan of Dodi isnt something new and/or some unusual plan of celebrities for lost paparazzi... I do think horrible 3 people lost their lives because abusive behavior of paparazzi, french ones are considered the worst ones of Europe, many celebrities already tell it.

For what I understand they were feeling uncomfortable at Ritz because of paparazzi were expecting them in entrance... I could understand he wanted he left the Ritz...

QuoteInteresting, but if it's true it'll get buried. Royals and politicians have the means to get away with anything. The days of Woodward and Bernstein are long gone, and there certainly are no real journalists among the UK royal reporter pack...
I agree... Whatever is or be/could be there wouldnt came out

According to the bodyguards, Henri Paul wasnt drunken. For his images seen in hotel before he left this story he was druken seems BS... for his autopsy the man shouldnt even be alive or at least be capable of standing when he was alive for be choiced as driver ... I dont believe in story he was drunken, without the abusive behavior of paparazzi I dont think that tragedy would have happened...

The people who were around Diana when she was chased for paparazzi always described as they feels as were being assault (ie. the niece of Annabel Goldsmith, Patrick Jephson among others said this)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on August 18, 2013, 06:11:23 PM
Without the paparazzi, they probably wouldn't have been speeding.  Then again, if they'd stayed at the Ritz and not left, the paparazzi couldn't have gotten to them in their room.  Just a series of bad decisions ...  :cry:

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: dianab on August 18, 2013, 06:18:51 PM
I do think a job who put others on high (emotional) stress (made others cry, lost their cool/patience) & is abusive towards others, have a serious problem. I'm not against paparazzi, but abusive behavior from them... Imo there should be certain limits, you be allowed put a camera few inches/cm from face of someone else for me is horrible - and totally off limits.

I dont like to see the persons who are the REAL VICTIMS being put as bad guy of story.

In this industry of paparazzi have things are totally off limits have showed put the lives of persons in danger - the issues are in them not to whom they're testing & are being abusive towards to.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Lothwen on August 18, 2013, 09:12:17 PM
My mistake. I was under the impression that Henri Paul was their driver.

If he really was head of security at the Ritz, then they shouldn't have pulled him to be their driver.  That wasn't his job in the first place.  Sounds like Dodi just wanted to feel more important than he actually was.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: SophieChloe on August 18, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
I'm a firm believer that Diana was got rid of.   
Title: Re: Diana\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: dianab on August 18, 2013, 10:00:01 PM
@Lothwen
Henri Paul was driver too... but the driver that Diana & Dodi were using that day in Paris was another one.

Henri Paul was the driver (to others) in that day in Paris. Any person could read the transcripts of inquest, there's articles of others persons were in car with him as their driver.
Princess Diana chauffeur 'drove like maniac' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1572921/Princess-Diana-chauffeur-drove-like-maniac.html)

Says the man was not a driver is a mistake. Plain not true.

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Quote from: sophiechloe on August 18, 2013, 09:51:52 PM
I'm a firm believer that Diana was got rid of.   
Yeah... I dont know exactly what thinks besides there's too many convenient mysteries...

IMO even certain people havent gone, the whole thing would keeps the same.

As some comment in DM said the (generation of) grandchildren of William & Harry would know the truth - What really happened there.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 19, 2013, 01:40:35 AM
Princess Diana Death Probe: British Media Reports Allegation That Royal's Death Was No Acciden - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/princess-diana-death-probe-british-media-reports-allegation/story?id=19994185)

We'll probably read about new information at each anniversary.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Honesty on August 19, 2013, 01:46:10 AM
That was mentioned Mike on several channels here.  It's the anniversary  !!!  All rather sad I feel..
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 19, 2013, 01:56:54 AM
If there's money to be made you can bet someone will "discover new evidence."
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on August 19, 2013, 05:15:22 AM
Quote from: Lothwen on August 18, 2013, 09:12:17 PM
My mistake. I was under the impression that Henri Paul was their driver.

If he really was head of security at the Ritz, then they shouldn't have pulled him to be their driver.  That wasn't his job in the first place.  Sounds like Dodi just wanted to feel more important than he actually was.
yes he was head of security.  He wasn't trained as  a driver and didn't have the licence to drive a heavy car like the limo they were driving in. He would not have been doing so, had Dodi not messed around with his bodyguards' plans and thought that he could come up with a better one. He should have admitted that he had been drinking and said that he could not drive, but he was probably afraid for his job, and he was probably over excited by the whole situation and took off too fast.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on August 19, 2013, 10:52:15 AM
From the look on his face in that last photo, he was very excited:

http://images.bimedia.net/images/071003_car_470.jpg

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 19, 2013, 01:58:17 PM
Some say that moments before he was having an animated conversation with nearby paparazzi, almost daring them to get pictures.  Stupid.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 19, 2013, 11:23:33 PM
Princess Diana death driver Henri Paul's family delighted at police probe into murder claims | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396791/Princess-Diana-death-driver-Henri-Pauls-family-delighted-police-probe-murder-claims.html)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Lothwen on August 20, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
How many more times are they going to investigate?  It's like people won't rest until somebody is to "blame" for what was ultimately an accident.

Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 20, 2013, 02:27:42 AM
It won't end as long as tabloids and TV stations run stories about her.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: FanDianaFancy on August 20, 2013, 03:05:40 AM
I agree  lOW. 
I  agree  cindy...that picture is erry.
I  think it  is sad  to continue  with  the  useless  investigations  and  search  for snaswers which  have already been asnwered.

I  read somewhere, I  cannot  remember  where, but  it was soemthing like this.
  Sometimes  a tragic  event  is  just  a  tragic  event.Sometimes  something is  just what  happened  and what  it  seems.


On CNN  tonight, Anderson Coopers ' show,  Kaite Nicholls  is  not  in favor  of this  another and new  investigation. Lana Marks, a  friend  of PD, who was  supposed  to  vacation with  PD those  four days,  tinks  this is such a  heart pain  for the  PH  and PW.
Lana Marks  also said that PD changed her vaction plans  because Lana  's  father died and  Lana  was  not  able  to spend those four days  with PD.  PD  continued on with  her vacation plans  with  Dodi   who was a available.
The accidents had  multiple  tragic turns.
-PD  did  not  take  her  own security  and thus  did not  have proper security.
-DF  was  too  spolied to  think  on his feet.
-Henri Paul  was of duty  and  had a few drinks as he  could, should  being off duty.
-DF  called him on duty  for a job that was  not  his.
-HP  was driving that tank  of an  auto  looking car, extremely  fast  and thus, it folded  , smashed like a tin can  which is  unbelievable  for  an armoured  /tank type  of  auto.
-It  was said that particular  auto  is built  like a tank and  not an auto like a  typical, ordinary car.
_Papparazzi  chasing the car  was the least  of  it.  YES  and do not  misunderstand me, the  paps  were  very  intrusive. they  were  always  , every day   that PD stepped out  in public   after her.
-Now, Lana  Marks  story  of  changing her vacation plans  with PD.
Since the day  it  was known  Lady Diana Spencer, daugher  of whatever #  Earl of Spencer  was dating PC, the paps  were  always  on PD while she was in npublic. The only place she  was not  photographed  was in  KPalace.
-Why, why  did  DF and PD  just not stay  at the Fayed apts.  at the Ritz.  MFayed only owned  the hotel so of course  Dodi  must ahve even had a floor  of rooms, a  full home there too.
All very sad.  Sad , fatal ending  due  to many  turns  of events none  planned  out.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on August 20, 2013, 11:09:45 AM
Princess Diana's former bodyguard dismisses new claims she was murdered - hellomagazine.com (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2013081914182/ken-wharf-dismisses-diana-murder-claims/)

Princess Diana death: Metropolitan Police are examining new information for its relevance and credibility - hellomagazine.com (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2013081714160/princess-diana-death-new-information/)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on August 20, 2013, 11:26:51 AM
Quote from: Lothwen on August 20, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
How many more times are they going to investigate?  It's like people won't rest until somebody is to "blame" for what was ultimately an accident.


I know, it is really really silly.  I'm Glad they did the big investigation few years ago, but it was still  in essence a lot of money spent and thanks to Al Fayed's behaviour a lot of sordid stuff about Di's life, a lot of stuff that should have remained private, came out. But I thought that in the ened it was wroth it if it shut AL Fayed up and made it very clear that the deaths were an accident and that the paparazzi and Fayed's own bad organisation were largely what had caused the tragedy.  I know the poro man lost his son, adn I do feel for him, but it doesnt excuse his behavour.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on August 20, 2013, 11:55:12 AM
Wort.lu - British police probe new Diana murder claim (http://www.wort.lu/en/view/british-police-probe-new-diana-murder-claim-52107282e4b054477de8677c)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on August 20, 2013, 03:35:52 PM
Silly season strikes again !!!  :notamused:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 20, 2013, 06:12:22 PM
It's not the silly season, Eri, it's the greedy season.  Every anniversary of Diana being killed, the media smells money.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 20, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
That is true, Mike. Sadly, there is no one else alive with her draw.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on August 20, 2013, 07:03:49 PM
QuoteDiana's Death and the SAS: Who Is 'Soldier N'?

What do we know about the soldier who claims to know that Princess Diana was murdered by Britain's special forces?

Age: Classified.

Appearance: I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Is there anything you can tell me that won't result in someone dying? Yes.

What is it? It's complicated. Are you familiar with Sgt Danny Nightingale?

The 38-year-old SAS sniper who was given a suspended sentence after being convicted of keeping a Glock 9mm pistol and various rounds of ammunition in his house by a court martial in July, which was held after the court of appeal overturned a previous conviction for the same offence? I'll take that as a yes.

More:  Diana's death and the SAS: who is 'Soldier N'? | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2013/aug/19/diana-death-sas-solder-n) 

QuoteDiana Assassination Claims Are a 'Mystifying Stunt' Made by 'Loose Cannon' Sniper, Say Former Royal Bodyguards and MPs

Critics today dismissed claims that the SAS murdered Princess Diana as a 'mystifying stunt' based on 'nonsense' evidence from an 'erratic' sniper in jail for illegally keeping guns at home.

Royal bodyguards and MPs have brushed off accusations that the Princess of Wales' death 16 years ago in Paris was carried out by British special forces who then 'covered it up'.

Scotland Yard confirmed yesterday that officers from its specialist crime and operations command are assessing information handed to it 'recently' by the Royal Military Police.

But experts say that the evidence is flimsy and from a 'loose cannon' military man - known as Soldier N.

More:  Diana assassination claims are a 'mystifying stunt' made by 'loose cannon' sniper, say former royal bodyguards and MPs | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2396975/Diana-assassination-claims-mystifying-stunt-loose-cannon-sniper-say-royal-bodyguards-MPs.html)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Macrobug on August 20, 2013, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: Mike on August 20, 2013, 06:12:22 PM
It's not the silly season, Eri, it's the greedy season.  Every anniversary of Diana being killed, the media smells money.
I can't help but wonder how much this is about PR for the new movie
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: SophieChloe on August 20, 2013, 07:40:47 PM
^ I doubt it very much.  At least I hope our Police Force are not that gullible.   

Mike : This does not happen every year - So I do not understand your point. 
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 20, 2013, 10:00:08 PM
I was under the impression vague stories like this appeared every year around August 31 so the tabloids could make more money.  I keep harping on the money angle, but that's the impression I get from the tabloids.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: SophieChloe on August 20, 2013, 10:09:05 PM
^ Not to my knowledge.  And I loved Diana - so I tended to keep abreast of stories about her.   I could be wrong...I was once in 2009  :happy15:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on August 20, 2013, 10:42:28 PM
Oh, I've been wrong many more times than that.     :D
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: SophieChloe on August 20, 2013, 10:51:08 PM
 :hug:
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Post by: Queen Camilla on August 21, 2013, 06:33:50 AM
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on August 20, 2013, 03:05:40 AM

-PD  did  not  take  her  own security  and thus  did not  have proper security.
-DF  was  too  spolied to  think  on his feet.
-Henri Paul  was of duty  and  had a few drinks as he  could, should  being off duty.
-DF  called him on duty  for a job that was  not  his.
-HP  was driving that tank  of an  auto  looking car, extremely  fast  and thus, it folded  , smashed like a tin can  which is  unbelievable  for  an armoured  /tank type  of  auto.
-It  was said that particular  auto  is built  like a tank and  not an auto like a  typical, ordinary car.
_Papparazzi  chasing the car  -Why, why  did  DF and PD  just not stay  at the Fayed apts.  at the Ritz.  MFayed only owned  the hotel so of course  Dodi  must ahve even had a floor  of rooms, a  full home there too.
All very sad.  Sad , fatal ending  due  to many  turns  of events none  planned  out.

Missed one of the most important ones. 
Diana was not wearing a seat belt.
Title: Re: Diana\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on August 21, 2013, 11:20:48 AM
Scotland Yard confirms new evidence in Princess Diana?s death - National Royal News | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/scotland-yard-confirms-new-evidence-princess-diana-s-death)

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QuoteScotland Yard evaluates new information about the death of Princess Diana

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Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on August 22, 2013, 02:00:38 PM
Every anniversary of her death British rags unleash the crazy ... that is undeniable ...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Orchid on August 22, 2013, 05:14:12 PM
Diana's death and the SAS: who is 'Soldier N'? | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2013/aug/19/diana-death-sas-solder-n)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on August 22, 2013, 08:06:09 PM
Princess Diana death: Witness CAN be trusted despite being branded a 'loose cannon' | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/423386/Princess-Diana-death-Witness-CAN-be-trusted-despite-being-branded-a-loose-cannon)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on August 23, 2013, 07:32:19 PM
QuotePrince Charles and Mohamed Al Fayed Contacted by Police Assessing SAS Soldier's Claims That Diana Was Murdered

Prince Charles and Mohamed Al Fayed are being contacted by police as they assess claims that the SAS murdered Princess Diana.  Scotland Yard said they are also getting in touch with Lord Justice Scott Baker, the judge who presided over the inquest into her death.

Diana, 36, Mr Al Fayed's son Dodi, 42, and chauffeur Henri Paul, 41, all died in a crash in Paris in August 1997.

Police are currently carrying out a 'scoping exercise' as they look into claims that the trio were murdered by a member of the British Military.

They have not launched a full investigation.

Prince Charles and Mohamed Al Fayed contacted by police assessing SAS soldier's claims that Diana was murdered | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2400773/Prince-Charles-Mohamed-Al-Fayed-contacted-police-assessing-SAS-soldiers-claims-Diana-murdered.html)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 24, 2013, 12:00:50 AM
It sounds more serious now...  :blank:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on August 26, 2013, 08:13:57 PM
QuoteScotland Yard resurrects the ghosts of Diana's death 16 years later

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Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on August 28, 2013, 01:39:27 PM
EXCLUSIVE: SAS launch probe over sensational Princess Diana death claim | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/425128/EXCLUSIVE-SAS-launch-probe-over-sensational-Princess-Diana-death-claim)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on August 31, 2013, 11:37:40 AM
Princess Diana, that SAS murder claim - and why it may not be as mad as you think, says SUE REID | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407571/Princess-Diana-SAS-murder-claim--mad-think-says-SUE-REID.html)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 31, 2013, 12:20:55 PM
Quote from: marine2109 on August 31, 2013, 11:37:40 AM
Princess Diana, that SAS murder claim - and why it may not be as mad as you think, says SUE REID | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407571/Princess-Diana-SAS-murder-claim--mad-think-says-SUE-REID.html)

Excerpt from the article:

Ever since Diana's death at the age of 36, I have investigated forensically the events that led up to the crash and what happened afterwards.
I have spoken to eye-witnesses, French and British intelligence officers, SAS soldiers and to friends of Diana and Dodi. And I have interviewed the Brittany-based parents of the 41-year-old chauffeur Henri Paul. They told me, with tears in their eyes, that their son was not a heavy drinker: his chosen potion was a bottle of beer or the occasional Ricard, a liquorice-flavoured aperitif.
The fact is that too many of these accounts suggest that Diana's death was no accident.
Crucially, my investigations show that the paparazzi who supposedly hounded Diana to her death were not even in the Pont d'Alma tunnel at the time of the car crash.
They also reveal how a high-powered black motorbike — which did not belong to any of the paparazzi — shot past Diana's Mercedes in the tunnel.
Eyewitnesses say its rider and pillion passenger deliberately caused the car to crash.
In addition, my inquiries unearthed the existence of a shadowy SAS unit that answers to MI6, as well as the names of two MI6 officers who were linked by a number of sources to Diana's death.

The assumption has always been that the cars and bikes were carrying the paparazzi. By the Monday morning after the crash, outside the Alma tunnel, a huge message had appeared. 'Killer paparazzi' had been sprayed in gold paint on the walls.
No one, to this day, knows who put it there — or why they were not stopped by the French authorities from doing so.
Yet the paparazzi following Diana did not reach the Pont d'Alma tunnel until at least one minute after the crash, so they cannot be to blame.
Indeed, two years later they were cleared of manslaughter charges after the French state prosecutor said there was 'insufficient evidence' of their involvement in Diana's death.
What happened is that the paparazzi had been deceived. In a clever ploy devised by Henri Paul, the Ritz had placed a decoy Mercedes at the front  of the hotel to confuse the photographers, which allowed the lovers to slip out of the back door into a similar car.
The last picture of Diana peering from the rear window was taken by a France-based photographer who had seen through the ruse and was standing on the pavement by the hotel's rear entrance watching as the 'real' Mercedes sped off.

The allegation that Princess Diana was murdered by the SAS is under investigation
Yet that Mercedes was definitely being hotly pursued when in the tunnel. The independent witnesses insist it was being followed not only by the black motorbike, but by two speeding cars, a dark saloon and a white turbo Fiat Uno.
There is no evidence to link these cars or the motorcycle to the paparazzi who had been waiting at the Ritz.
The saloon tail-gated the Mercedes, which made the chauffeur — thinking, wrongly, he was being pursued by paparazzi — drive even faster and more erratically. Meanwhile, the Uno accelerated, clipping the side of the Mercedes to push it to one side.
This maneuver allowed the black motorbike to speed past Diana's car, with its two riders wearing helmets that hid their faces.
Witnesses claim that when the bike was about 15ft in front of the car, there was a fierce flash of white light from the motorbike. The suggestion is that this came from a laser beam carried by the pillion passenger and directed at the car.
The witnesses' view is that the flash of light blinded Henri Paul temporarily. It was followed by a loud bang as the limousine swerved violently before slamming into the 13th pillar in the tunnel and being reduced to a mass of wrecked metal.
One of those eyewitnesses, a French harbour pilot driving ahead of the Mercedes through the tunnel, watched the scene in his rear-view mirror.
Chillingly, he recalls the black motorbike stopping after the crash and one of the riders jumping off the bike before going to peer in the Mercedes window at the passengers.
The rider, who kept his helmet on, then turned to his compatriot on the bike and gave a gesture used informally in the military (where both arms are crossed over the body and then thrown out straight to each side) to indicate 'mission accomplished'.
Afterwards, he climbed back on the  motorcycle, which raced off out of the tunnel. The riders on the bike, and the vehicle itself, have never been identified.
The harbour pilot, whose wife was with him in the car, has described the horrifying scenario as resembling a 'terrorist attack'.
... she was allowed by the judge heading the inquest, Lord Justice Scott Baker, to send a statement giving her current address in America and no more details.
Crucially, the hearing was cruelly unfair to chauffeur Henri Paul, who was vilified from the beginning.
On the day after the crash, French authorities insisted that he was an alcoholic and 'drunk as a pig' when he left the Ritz that night to drive the lovers to Dodi's Paris apartment near the Champs-Elysees.
It has since emerged that the blood tests on Paul's body had not been completed when they made the announcement to journalists.
Furthermore, the chauffeur had  passed an intensive medical examination for flying lessons three days before the crash — his liver showed no sign of alcohol abuse.
A string of witnesses at the Ritz say Paul drank two shots of his favourite Ricard at the bar before taking to the wheel, which was confirmed by bar receipts at the hotel.
However, after a shambolic mix- up over his blood samples (deliberate or otherwise), it was pronounced by a medical expert at the inquest that Paul had downed ten of the aperitifs, was twice over the British driving limit and three times over the French one, when he drove the Mercedes that night.


Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on August 31, 2013, 12:30:01 PM
hasn't all this been said before?
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on August 31, 2013, 12:44:57 PM
This is very well researched and put together...  As, I said before, although not a conspiracy buff (not even Kennedy) there are too many concidences and hasty and shoddy investigation, accusation and explanations, I don't believe in more than one coincidence but I also don't think any investigative process results will truly see the light of day. But this is very well done...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Sandor on August 31, 2013, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: cinrit on August 17, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Diana did write in a note that Charles was planning to have her killed in a car accident, but she said there would be a problem with the brakes.  The accident didn't have anything to do with brake trouble, so that eliminates that.  I'd think trying to kill someone in a car accident would be very iffy ... what if they survived?  Would you have to try again at another time?  And how many people would agree to a suicide mission to cause a (hopefully) fatal accident, anyway?

Cindy

That's ridiculous, imo.
Why would Charles want her killed after the divorce, when he'd already had to pay a huge settlement?

If he wanted her dead, it would have happened much earlier.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on August 31, 2013, 10:39:33 PM
Her death made it very convenient for him--her being alive would have made it more difficult for him to marry Camilla and he could have his minions make all sorts of charges against Diana painting her as a madwoman and she was not around to defend herself. Not saying three was foul play but it did make things easier for him. Several British writers incredibly including Robert Lacey had the gall to say that the boys were "better off" without their mother around. Morbidly his grandmother was called the "last obstacle" to his marrying Camilla since she didn't want them marrying in her lifetime.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on September 01, 2013, 06:37:03 AM
Quote from: Sandor on August 31, 2013, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: cinrit on August 17, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Diana did write in a note that Charles was planning to have her killed in a car accident, but she said there would be a problem with the brakes.  The accident didn't have anything to do with brake trouble, so that eliminates that.  I'd think trying to kill someone in a car accident would be very iffy ... what if they survived?  Would you have to try again at another time?  And how many people would agree to a suicide mission to cause a (hopefully) fatal accident, anyway?

Cindy

That's ridiculous, imo.
Why would Charles want her killed after the divorce, when he'd already had to pay a huge settlement?

If he wanted her dead, it would have happened much earlier.
Why would he want her dead anyway?  Does anyone really think he is such a monster?  The RF IMO were half pleased at Di's romance with Dodi, because it was bound to make her unpopular with the public many of whom deprecated her taking hospitality from a man like M AL Fayed.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 01, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
I don't think it was an accident, but I don't think Charles had anything to do with that... Never have...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 02, 2013, 12:45:20 PM
QuoteMI6 and SAS 'United in Princess Diana Death Plot'

The Scotland Yard inquiry into claims that the SAS murdered Princess Diana took a new twist last night when an author offered to hand over his secret dossier to detectives.

Alan Power claims Diana, who died in a Paris car crash 16 years ago yesterday, was killed by MI6 with military help.

The Sunday Express has learnt that a former SAS soldier who claims to have served in an assassination team known as The Increment worked closely with him on his explosive new book, The Princess Diana Conspiracy. Mr Power says he will protect his sources but we have learnt that he has twice offered to hand over sensitive files to Yard officers. Last night he said from his home on the Isle of Man: "I am happy to help them in any way I can but they have not taken up my offer so far. I am tempted to consider they don't want to know. That is my belief."

However, we understand detectives have given him a crime number, RCAD3177, and that officers will be contacting him in the coming weeks.

MI6 and SAS 'united in Princess Diana death plot' | UK | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/425999/MI6-and-SAS-united-in-Princess-Diana-death-plot)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on September 02, 2013, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on September 01, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
I don't think it was an accident, but I don't think Charles had anything to do with that... Never have...
So who exactly would benefit?  the RF as a whole I think took the line that it was Rather a good thing that Di had taken up with people like M Al Fayed, since it showed her as taking hospitality from a very controversial man, because of money reasons.  It was doing her no good with the British public many of whom were not approving of her going on holidays with them.  I think that they had a feeling of "give her enough rope and she'll hang herself, and the public are getting more and more tired of her antics".    And given that her death DID reanimate the Public affection for her, it was in many ways a very bad thing for the RF and Charles particularly that she died the way she did.
Title: Re: Diana\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 02, 2013, 11:25:18 PM
Quote from: amabel on September 01, 2013, 06:37:03 AM
Quote from: Sandor on August 31, 2013, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: cinrit on August 17, 2013, 11:23:09 PM
Diana did write in a note that Charles was planning to have her killed in a car accident, but she said there would be a problem with the brakes.  The accident didn't have anything to do with brake trouble, so that eliminates that.  I'd think trying to kill someone in a car accident would be very iffy ... what if they survived?  Would you have to try again at another time?  And how many people would agree to a suicide mission to cause a (hopefully) fatal accident, anyway?

Cindy

That's ridiculous, imo.
Why would Charles want her killed after the divorce, when he'd already had to pay a huge settlement?

If he wanted her dead, it would have happened much earlier.
Why would he want her dead anyway?  Does anyone really think he is such a monster?  The RF IMO were half pleased at Di's romance with Dodi, because it was bound to make her unpopular with the public many of whom deprecated her taking hospitality from a man like M AL Fayed.

I don't think she would have been unpopular. The romance got publicity and she didn't marry the guy she was merely dating him. So why the fuss? She was a divorcee and dating which many people can identify with after they move on from a marriage.  Al Fayed was a family friend and Diana's father liked him she didn't meet him out of thin air. There was a connection.

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Quote from: amabel on September 02, 2013, 11:10:37 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on September 01, 2013, 01:16:20 PM
I don't think it was an accident, but I don't think Charles had anything to do with that... Never have...
So who exactly would benefit?  the RF as a whole I think took the line that it was Rather a good thing that Di had taken up with people like M Al Fayed, since it showed her as taking hospitality from a very controversial man, because of money reasons.  It was doing her no good with the British public many of whom were not approving of her going on holidays with them.  I think that they had a feeling of "give her enough rope and she'll hang herself, and the public are getting more and more tired of her antics".    And given that her death DID reanimate the Public affection for her, it was in many ways a very bad thing for the RF and Charles particularly that she died the way she did.

With Charles spouse still living and Camilla's spouse still living it might have taken longer or been more difficult for Charles to marry Camilla. Charles would not have been able to use William to try to get Camilla accepted and his buddies could make Diana look like a madwoman without fear of lawsuits from Diana.

Jackie Kennedy did not lose her popularity when she married Onassis, a controversial figure in his time. She never lost her popularity. I think Diana would have always been more popular than Charles and Camilla. Al Fayed was a family friend her stepmother worked for him at Harrod's.  Her father was his friend. It was not exactly as if she cackled I'll find Al Fayed and annoy people. He was a family friend of the Spencer.s

Not accusing the Prince but it was very convenient for him not to have his late ex around.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 02, 2013, 11:37:06 PM
The only way Diana would have become less popular than Charles is if she had married Qadaffi, Saddam Hussein or Osama.  :hehe:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Queen Camilla on September 03, 2013, 05:06:48 AM
Diana's popularity was on the decline since 1994.  The Bashir interview & her dropping most of her charities caused futher decline in her popularity.

Diana's popularity briefly surge during the war of the wales but was on a steep decline by 1997.

In April 1984 Charles was actually more popular than Diana (50-45). (Poll available on another royal website)  So it is very possible that Charles would have regained his popularity with the way that Diana was behaving.

As far as Diana death being caused by the royal family, totally without merit.  The only person who survived was wearing a seatbelt. 

If Diana had a seatbelt on maybe she would have lived and then we would actually see whether her life became the train wreck it was heading or if she changed her life.  (She was the royal Lindsey Lohan.  Time after time getting away with bad behavior...)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on September 03, 2013, 06:11:21 AM
Quote from: Limabeany on September 02, 2013, 11:37:06 PM
The only way Diana would have become less popular than Charles is if she had married Qadaffi, Saddam Hussein or Osama.  :hehe:

she was losing popularliy in the early 90s.  Marrying someone like Dodi Fayed would have damaged her even further. Charles would probably have slowly regained his popularity as happened gradually.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on September 03, 2013, 06:37:22 AM
Ten interesting facts about Diana, Princess of Wales - hellomagazine.com (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2013083114362/princess-diana-anniversary-interesting-facts/)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on September 03, 2013, 07:17:56 AM
If anything her death at 36 is the worse thing that could happen to Chuck ... he had to live with her "legend" ever since ...all he had to do to be popular after the divorce was let Di be Di but she died ... let's not forget all the bad press and raised eyebrows she had after the divorce she would eventually be just like Sarah ...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 03, 2013, 11:31:16 AM
I don't think anyone had any idea Diana's death would turn her into a legend... Before she died, it is more likely the royals would have thought it would solve the problem of Diana and people would move on and they could live happily ever after and that Charles thought with her dead people would forget about her and he could go on and have a public life with Camilla and make her his wife... I don't think the royals' resentment and lack of experience with emotional bonds let them truly grasp Diana's popularity, but really, no one had any clue she would still sell so many magazines 16 years later...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on September 03, 2013, 12:00:53 PM
^ Why would they think them being the number one suspects in case anything happened to her would resolve anything? Some ( and I am speaking in general here no names mentioned) can't get over the fact Di wasn't as important as to move Governments to kill her and that she was just a woman who made bad decisions who was with a loser who decided to raise the paps into a Tunnel .
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 03, 2013, 12:23:26 PM
All I can say Eri is that there simply were too many holes and coincidences in Diana's death investigation, I don't think we'll ever know what happened but I don't think it was simply a paparazzi accident...
Title: Re: Diana\\\\\\\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 03, 2013, 01:46:17 PM
Quote from: Queen Camilla on September 03, 2013, 05:06:48 AM
Diana's popularity was on the decline since 1994.  The Bashir interview & her dropping most of her charities caused futher decline in her popularity.

Diana's popularity briefly surge during the war of the wales but was on a steep decline by 1997.

In April 1984 Charles was actually more popular than Diana (50-45). (Poll available on another royal website)  So it is very possible that Charles would have regained his popularity with the way that Diana was behaving.

As far as Diana death being caused by the royal family, totally without merit.  The only person who survived was wearing a seatbelt. 

If Diana had a seatbelt on maybe she would have lived and then we would actually see whether her life became the train wreck it was heading or if she changed her life.  (She was the royal Lindsey Lohan.  Time after time getting away with bad behavior...)

You state this as fact but there were no extensive, detailed census type surveys about how much people liked or disliked Diana.

Are you serious about comparing her to LiLo?! Diana was never arrested, didn't do drugs, and did not serve time. That's a real exaggeration and shows your feelings about Diana.

Charles was very unpopular after his interview in 1994 and his own family complained to him about how he trashed his parents via his Dmbleby authorized biography.

Who took this 1984 poll? Why would there be a poll when the two were still married and were having another baby? The general public did not know the marriage was in trouble.

There were rumors that Diana's seatbelts were defective. I think the long long journey to the hospital did her in. Ronald Reagan had the same injury and got to the hospital FAST after he was shot in 1981 and he lived until he was 93. He wouldn't have made it in the "oxcart" ambulance that Diana was transported in.

Camilla had to literally disappear after Diana died. If Diana were so unpopular why didn't the peasants rejoice? Or do you have another survey that most people really disliked her and faked sending flowers.

If Charles were Mr Popularity he would not have had to hire a spin doctor for himself and Camilla. He could have married Camilla soon after his late ex died if he were so beloved and Diana was "trash."

IMO Charles has not regained popularity. I think some see him as a loser and always will. And I am not sayng as fact the "most people think.." the way you do because there were no definitive surveys.

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Quote from: amabel on September 03, 2013, 06:11:21 AM
Quote from: Limabeany on September 02, 2013, 11:37:06 PM
The only way Diana would have become less popular than Charles is if she had married Qadaffi, Saddam Hussein or Osama.  :hehe:


she was losing popularliy in the early 90s.  Marrying someone like Dodi Fayed would have damaged her even further. Charles would probably have slowly regained his popularity as happened gradually.

There were no definitive surveys about Diana's popularity. All I know is she was popular in the US irregardless of dating Dodi. She was moving on.  There were no indications she was going to rush into Marriage No. 2 with Dodi or anybody. She told Rosa Monckton she needed another marriage "like a bad rash."

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Quote from: Eri on September 03, 2013, 12:00:53 PM
^ Why would they think them being the number one suspects in case anything happened to her would resolve anything? Some ( and I am speaking in general here no names mentioned) can't get over the fact Di wasn't as important as to move Governments to kill her and that she was just a woman who made bad decisions who was with a loser who decided to raise the paps into a Tunnel .

I think Charles was the loser and Diana made a very bad decision in marrying him. Dodi was pathetic and I don't get why people put him down as a villain. JFK Jr made a mistake flying that plane when his taining in instrument landing was deficient but he was never called a "loser." People make tragic mistakes.

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Quote from: Eri on September 03, 2013, 07:17:56 AM
If anything her death at 36 is the worse thing that could happen to Chuck ... he had to live with her "legend" ever since ...all he had to do to be popular after the divorce was let Di be Di but she died ... let's not forget all the bad press and raised eyebrows she had after the divorce she would eventually be just like Sarah ...
In any case Sarah and her ex had an amicable divorce and raised two Princesses who turned out OK. Prince Andrew never had his pals badmouth his ex the way Charles did to Diana.  I think Di would let Charles be Charles and marry his trainwreck of a mistress and still maintain her popularity.
Title: Re: Diana\\\\\\\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 03, 2013, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: sandy on September 03, 2013, 01:46:17 PM
There were rumors that Diana's seatbelts were defective. I think the long long journey to the hospital did her in. Ronald Reagan had the same injury and got to the hospital FAST after he was shot in 1981 and he lived until he was 93. He wouldn't have made it in the "oxcart" ambulance that Diana was transported in.

Diana's injuries were not the same as Ronald Reagan's assassination attempt injuries.  Ronald Reagan was shot through the lung:

"Reagan suffered a punctured lung and heavy internal bleeding, ..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_assassination_attempt


Diana suffered a torn pulmonary vein, which according to the doctor who testified at the Paget Inquiry: ""The type of injury found is commonly fatal, regardless of the treatment given. It is exceptional for patients with this type of injury to reach hospital alive."

"The Princess was taken to theatre for emergency surgery and the source of the bleeding, a tear to the upper left pulmonary vein - the vessel which carries blood from the lungs to the heart - was found and repaired."
Inquiry reveals graphic details of Princess Diana's injuries » Communities » 24dash.com (http://www.24dash.com/news/communities/2006-12-14-Inquiry-reveals-graphic-details-of-Princess-Dianas-injuries)


But I agree, Sandy ... I would never compare Diana to Lindsey Lohan!

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 03, 2013, 02:23:13 PM
I read in a journal it was the same type. Nonetheless, if Reagan had gotten into a Diana-type snail pace ambulance, he would not have made it--he had to get to the operating room Pronto. If she had any sort of chance she was doomed when she got into the slow crawling ambulance. Even if Diana's treatment was "practiced" in France scoop and run via copter would have perhaps given her a great deal more survival chance. Khan and Barnard commented that getting her to the operating room would have given her a lot better odds. If any of my loved ones got into that slow moving ambulance I would be in despair.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on September 03, 2013, 03:45:22 PM
Accidents happen ... I don't get why everything has to be a big conspiracy ...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Trudie on September 03, 2013, 10:57:59 PM
Yes Eri accidents do happen but in this case there are several conflicts with what witnesses saw at the moment and what the police investigation or inquest never satisfactorily answered. Witnesses said they saw a flashing light in the tunnel just before the crash, the missing Fiat Uno, the security camera's not working that night and why the paps were charged when they were not near the tunnel at the moment of the crash but happened on it minutes later.

Queen Camilla in response to your posts I wonder how you appear to have so much hatred for Diana who was nothing like the train wreck that is Lindsey Lohan. I find that to be such an insult to the family of Diana especially her sons who keep her beloved charities and  compassionate legacy alive. The only compassion Lindsey Lohan has is for Lindsey Lohan who doesn't even know the meaning of the words give back.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on September 04, 2013, 06:48:13 AM
^ Weren't the paps charged for like two seconds? They were cleared of everything as soon as the investigation cleared that they had no responsibility whatsoever in the accident ... the rest is just allegations the matter was fully investigated costing the British tax payers  A FORTUNE  <_< ...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
The matter was investigated to suit someone but it was not, IMO, fully investigated...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Trudie on September 04, 2013, 11:12:53 AM
The investigation was extremely sloppy and as far as the inquest was concerned that was nothing more then one very expensive production to trash Diana to entertain the establishment.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 11:29:39 AM
To trash someone is to criticize them harshly and unjustly, or to manufacture untruths about them.  I haven't read the entire inquiry ... how did it trash Diana?

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
Many witnesses have said they were not called to testify yet Dr. Khan was called????? He wasn't there. He wasn't in a relationship with Diana at the time, what purpose other than to establish she had relationships/affairs could there have been? Why wasn' Camilla called? She was Charles' lover...  :shrug: Just one example...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 12:05:11 PM
Who were the witnesses who said they weren't called?  And why should Camilla have been called?  Just as Hasnat Khan, she wasn't there.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
She would have had more reason to be called if they had explored the 'Charles might have ordered it' angle, it certainly would have made more sense than calling Khan, he had nothing to do there except to be used... And, his having beeen called shows a clear purpose to the inquest beyond her death, it shows that it was used to try to smear her...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 12:23:02 PM
I don't think the inquiry set out to try to smear her.  What did it say about her that was untrue or unfounded?  She was in a car with a drunk driver, not wearing a seat belt.  That's not a smear.  You don't trash someone by who you do or don't call to testify unless it's something blatant.  So I still don't see how it tried to trash her.  Some people may not have liked the findings, but that doesn't mean that all these people involved in the inquiry set out to ruin her reputation or anything.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 12:24:34 PM
Some people did not like the shoddiness of it. What is the purpose of having people she slept with there and not having the people her husband who is still alive slept with there as well. He wan't the deceased victim, he was the still living and now conveniently free from a nuisance of an ex wife to pursue his lover's respectability. If anyone should have been interviewed it was Charles and Camilla, not Khan.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
I don't understand why Khan was interviewed, either, but none of the three should've been.  My own opinion is that it was a stupid and avoidable accident, nothing more.  My original question was how was Diana trashed, and I still don't understand how she was, so that's okay.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 04, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
Khan even commented on Diana's birth control that she used when they were involved ca. 1996. What on earth does that have to do with anything connected with the accident, just gossip. An attorney should have ordered that stricken from the records.

There are some holes in the story. The bodyguard did not stop Henri Paul from driving--if he were drunk he would have reeked of alcohol. There is a video of him deftly tying his shoe supposedly when he was under the influence of alcohol.

Also it is not known why Diana did not buckle her seatbelt, there are rumors of a defective seatbelt which were never confirmed or denied. And why not have somebody inspect the car first to make sure it is in working order down to the seatbelts. Why did the bodyguard buckle up without telling the passengers to do the same?   Would not that have been his job?
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 02:50:31 PM
Actually, Khan's statement about Diana using birth control may have been relevant, since there were rampant rumors that she'd been pregnant when she died.  But if it was known that she was on birth control, that would put those rumors to rest.  And really, there's nothing shameful about being on birth control, so that surely wouldn't be an attempt to trash her.

I don't know how much Henri Paul reacted to alcohol, but he was seen drinking.  Maybe he wasn't seen by the bodyguard, but he's on video, having a couple of drinks.  It was found in his blood, as was an antidepressant.  Not a good mixture.  And it doesn't matter why Diana didn't buckle up, the fact is that she didn't.  I think probably both Henri Paul and the bodyguard were reacting to Dodi's orders, and Dodi may not have been thinking of anything other than getting away from the paparazzi.  In any case, I don't see that any of that "trashes" Diana, which was my question. 

People may not agree with the verdict handed down by the inquiry, but that doesn't mean it's either wrong or right.  And it doesn't mean that it was held just to trash Diana. 

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on September 04, 2013, 03:05:46 PM
Kahn slept with her how is that smearing her?  :orchid: If anything he was called to clear her name on the allegation she was pregnant !!!
Title: Re: Diana\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 04, 2013, 03:07:08 PM
But if this were 1996 when she used it what does it have to do with 1997 when she dated Dodi. Also the inquiry was trying to establish how serious she was about Dodi which IMO was ridiculous because the two people who could really answer the question were dead.  Those alive did not for obvious reasons know all the details about the relationship.

And Khan at the inquest reported that he asked Diana if she  had an affair with Mannakee and Diana did not give him an answer (Diana denied this point blank to Settelen). What does that have to do with the inquest except to try to "prove" Diana "cheated first" which has nothing to do with the inquest.   

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Quote from: Eri on September 04, 2013, 03:05:46 PM
Kahn slept with her how is that smearing her?  :orchid: If anything he was called to clear her name on the allegation she was pregnant !!!

But Khan was not dating Diana at the time of her death. Dodi was dead and he would be the only one who could establish anything and Diana was dead and gone and could not respond. And how was it "clearing her name" to try to prove she was not pregnant--Diana committed no crime. Diana was single at the time and in this day and age there are pregnancies for single women, it is not as scandalous as the days of Ingrid Bergman being pregnant out of wedlock.  Why was it necessary to give details about Khan and Diana's sex life, just unnecessary tittle tattle IMO.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
If she was on birth control while seeing Kahn, the implication is that there would be a high likelihood that she also was when with Dodi.  Nothing more, and not an indication that there was a plot to trash her.

Why was it relevant whether or not she was pregnant ... I don't know.  But it always seems to come up in these situations, and it always seems to be relevant.  As a matter of fact, when Mary Jo Kopechne drowned in Chappaquiddick, it was rumored that she was pregnant, too, and a big deal was made of it. :shrug:

I'll give you that it made no sense to bring Mannakee into the inquiry, but if Khan offered it up, then he should be blamed, not the inquiry itself.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 04, 2013, 03:24:21 PM
 "a strong likelihood" does not mean it is a fact.

The Mannakee comment was not stricken from the record and I recall he was asked about Mannakee.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on September 04, 2013, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
I don't understand why Khan was interviewed, either, but none of the three should've been.  My own opinion is that it was a stupid and avoidable accident, nothing more.  My original question was how was Diana trashed, and I still don't understand how she was, so that's okay.

Cindy
I didn't want to see the inquest but As far as I know the reason Khan was called was because M Al Fayed had made all these allegations that Di Had been murdered, because she was with a Muslim boyfriend.. and the point was that she'd been dating a Muslim boyfriend Khan, for quite a while and hadn't been killled because of that. (nor had he).  And Fayed was exaggerating the importance of his son's relationship with Diana, but the Truth was that Di had been involved with Khan up to fairly soon before her holidays and only broke it off finally when she started a romance with Dodi. As her previous lover, Khan could (distasteful as it was) testify about various things in Di's private life that made Fayed's claims look dubious.. for example the hints that Di was pregnant.. and he pointed out that she had been meticulous about taking her pills..  And I cant' see how anyone could see such a thorough investigation as not good enough...
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
So the purpose of the inquest was not to find out the truth but to disprove Dodi's father's claims...  :hmm:
Title: Re: Diana\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on September 04, 2013, 04:16:17 PM
He was te one who was dissatisfied with the original verdict that it was an accident.  he was also the one who hired the bodyguards and Henri Paul.. come ot that.
And he has spent some ten years putting out misinformation and outright lies about Di's death.

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
If she was on birth control while seeing Kahn, the implication is that there would be a high likelihood that she also was when with Dodi.  Nothing more, and not an indication that there was a plot to trash her.

Why was it relevant whether or not she was pregnant ... I don't know. Cindy
IIRC one of the stewardesses on the boat said that she had seen Di's pills in her room, and a masseuse who massaged her said that she did a massage of a kind that a pregnant woman would not have wanted done.. as it might cause harm. 
Fayed is the one who has put forward all these  unpleasant stories that Di was pregnant, when I am pretty darn sure she would never have become pregnant outside of marriage... and that she and Dodi were going to marry and that that was why they were killed.  I think that the indications are that Di was getting bored with Dodi by the end of the holiday and probably would have ended the romance.. and that she'd have been very careful about getting pregnant by a man she'd only known a  short time... If she was careful about taking her Pill when she was in a fairly steady relationship with Khan, a man  she did love and wanted to marry, I'm sure she'd have been even more careful with a holdday romance. I even wonder if she and Dodi were actual lovers, at that stage.  She might have just taken the pill as  a general precaution.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 04, 2013, 04:54:48 PM
Whatever other people said  about the birth control was hearsay.

Nobody knows what would have turned out or how the participants felt --they both died.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on September 04, 2013, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 04:13:47 PM
So the purpose of the inquest was not to find out the truth but to disprove Dodi's father's claims...  :hmm:
Well he was the one throwing accusations left and right he blamed everyone but The Pope for the accident !!!  :Lothwen:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 04, 2013, 08:09:53 PM
Yes...  :hmm: While Charles blamed everyone but himself for his cheating (only after his marriage was irretrievable broken, he would never cheat otherwise, apparently screwing Camilla while she was married goes by another name...) One would have thought he would consider Dodi's father a kindred spirit then?  :orchid:
Title: Re: Diana\\\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: amabel on September 05, 2013, 06:30:46 AM
What has Charles got ot do with Mohamed Al Fayed and his attitude to the Death of Diana and Dodi?  Do you really think they are comparable?

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
If s
Why was it relevant whether or not she was pregnant ... I don't know.  But it always seems to come up in these situations, and it always seems to be relevant.  As a matter of fact, when Mary Jo Kopechne drowned in Chappaquiddick, it was rumored that she was pregnant, too, and a big deal was made of it. :shrug:



Cindy
The pregnancy was relevant in that part of the reason for the "alleged plot to murder DI" was that "she was pregnant by a Muslim" and the "secret service, the RF etc etc" would not allow William the future King to have a Muslim half brother.  If Al Fayed had not mouthed off with these ideas of his, the question would not have arisen.

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 02:50:31 PM
Actually, Khan's statement about Diana using birth control may have been relevant, since there were rampant rumors that she'd been pregnant when she died.  But if it was known that she was on birth control, that would put those rumors to rest.  And really, there's nothing shameful about being on birth control, so that surely wouldn't be an attempt to trash her.

I don't know how much Henri Paul reacted to alcohol, but he was seen drinking.  Maybe he wasn't seen by the bodyguard, but he's on video, having a couple of d
People may not agree with the verdict handed down by the inquiry, but that doesn't mean it's either wrong or right.  And it doesn't mean that it was held just to trash Diana. 

Cindy
Of course it wasn't' an attempt to trash her..It was to try and find out the truth and put the whole story to rest.  And MAF seeems to have accepted the verdict..
If anything the investigation seems to portray Diana, in spite of her faults, as a responsible woman in many respects.  She did break off with Khan to have some kind of relationship with Dodi, but I would say that the inquest  made it clear that she wasn't planning on marrying him and she was using contraception and wasn't pregnant or likely to get pregnant.
the whole mess was more to do with Fayed and his messy organisation. 
Henri Paul certainly did have a couple of drinks that night and he may have had more.. plus, as you say he was taking anti depressants.  the bodyguards were messed about by Dodi, changing his plans, and weren't able to stand up to him, or they would lose tehir jobs.  But if Dodi had not had the idea of a decoy driver, Henry Paul wouldn't have been called in at short notice to do a job he wasn't really qualified for, expert driving, and there would have been 2 bodyguards in the car.. not just one.  (better still of course Dodi should have stayed at the Ritz for the night and sent a servant to get their things from his apartment).   
if there WERE defective seatbelts, or no seatbelts, then Diana and Dodi should have refused to get in the car... and waited till another one could be procured.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on September 05, 2013, 12:46:48 PM
Estranged wife of SAS soldier behind Princess Diana murder claims tells police she is 'utterly convinced' by his story | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2412049/Estranged-wife-SAS-soldier-Princess-Diana-murder-claims-tells-police-utterly-convinced-story.html)

EXCLUSIVE: Soldier's claim SAS hit squad 'did kill Princess Diana' is 'utterly convincing' | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/427036/EXCLUSIVE-Soldier-s-claim-SAS-hit-squad-did-kill-Princess-Diana-is-utterly-convincing)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on September 05, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: amabel on September 05, 2013, 06:30:46 AM
What has Charles got ot do with Mohamed Al Fayed and his attitude to the Death of Diana and Dodi?  Do you really think they are comparable?

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
If s
Why was it relevant whether or not she was pregnant ... I don't know.  But it always seems to come up in these situations, and it always seems to be relevant.  As a matter of fact, when Mary Jo Kopechne drowned in Chappaquiddick, it was rumored that she was pregnant, too, and a big deal was made of it. :shrug:



Cindy
The pregnancy was relevant in that part of the reason for the "alleged plot to murder DI" was that "she was pregnant by a Muslim" and the "secret service, the RF etc etc" would not allow William the future King to have a Muslim half brother.  If Al Fayed had not mouthed off with these ideas of his, the question would not have arisen.

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Quote from: cinrit on September 04, 2013, 02:50:31 PM
Actually, Khan's statement about Diana using birth control may have been relevant, since there were rampant rumors that she'd been pregnant when she died.  But if it was known that she was on birth control, that would put those rumors to rest.  And really, there's nothing shameful about being on birth control, so that surely wouldn't be an attempt to trash her.

I don't know how much Henri Paul reacted to alcohol, but he was seen drinking.  Maybe he wasn't seen by the bodyguard, but he's on video, having a couple of d
People may not agree with the verdict handed down by the inquiry, but that doesn't mean it's either wrong or right.  And it doesn't mean that it was held just to trash Diana. 

Cindy
Of course it wasn't' an attempt to trash her..It was to try and find out the truth and put the whole story to rest.  And MAF seeems to have accepted the verdict..
If anything the investigation seems to portray Diana, in spite of her faults, as a responsible woman in many respects.  She did break off with Khan to have some kind of relationship with Dodi, but I would say that the inquest  made it clear that she wasn't planning on marrying him and she was using contraception and wasn't pregnant or likely to get pregnant.
the whole mess was more to do with Fayed and his messy organisation. 
Henri Paul certainly did have a couple of drinks that night and he may have had more.. plus, as you say he was taking anti depressants.  the bodyguards were messed about by Dodi, changing his plans, and weren't able to stand up to him, or they would lose tehir jobs.  But if Dodi had not had the idea of a decoy driver, Henry Paul wouldn't have been called in at short notice to do a job he wasn't really qualified for, expert driving, and there would have been 2 bodyguards in the car.. not just one.  (better still of course Dodi should have stayed at the Ritz for the night and sent a servant to get their things from his apartment).   
if there WERE defective seatbelts, or no seatbelts, then Diana and Dodi should have refused to get in the car... and waited till another one could be procured.

The bodyguard was paid by Al Fayed.  His job was the safety of his charges. He got badly hurt and claimed he lost his memory. 

Nothing was "made clear" in the inquest. What others said was hearsay like someone saying she saw the birth control pills. It was pointless because only the two who died had the answers.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on September 12, 2013, 02:27:42 PM
QuoteThe theories surrounding
the tragic death of Diana

The accident that killed the Princess of Wales 16 years ago has always been shrouded in mystery. What could have been behind this? Here the theories that try to explain.

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Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 14, 2013, 12:45:43 PM
QuoteWe Could Never Have Hurt Our Darling Princess Diana, Says SAS Hero

A former SAS officer has hit back at claims that an elite special services squad assassinated Princess Diana,  insisting that she was the regiment's "darling".

John Geddes, who served as a warrant officer, said conspiracy theories had "maligned" the reputation of the SAS and were "poisonous" rumours with no basis.

He also criticised former SAS sniper Sgt Danny Nightingale and another officer — known only as Soldier N — for "letting the regiment down" after they were convicted of possessing a gun and ammunition in a case which gave rise to the latest rumours.

We could never have hurt our darling Princess Diana, says SAS hero - UK - News - London Evening Standard (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/we-could-never-have-hurt-our-darling-princess-diana-says-sas-hero-8814156.html)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 15, 2013, 12:35:57 PM
EXCLUSIVE: How David Cameron knew of Princess Diana 'murder plot' | UK | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429312/EXCLUSIVE-How-David-Cameron-knew-of-Princess-Diana-murder-plot)

QuoteThe Prime Minister and General Sir Peter Wall were sent copies of a letter claiming members of the elite regiment killed the princess.

They and Defence Secretary Philip Hammond, who also received the letter, now face being questioned by Scotland Yard over why they did not act and remained silent.

Number 10 and the Ministry of Defence were informed of the alleged crime in February by the wife of a former SAS soldier, the Daily Express can reveal. Scotland Yard is now investigating the murder claims but detectives only learned of the allegations following a complaint by Mohammed Al Fayed, whose son Dodi died alongside Diana.

The wife of the SAS veteran, who can only be identified as Soldier N, wrote to General Wall amid fears that her life was in danger from her husband.

She sent copies to Mr Cameron and Mr Hammond. Also enclosed were copies of a letter sent by her mother to the ­ SAS's commanding officer in September 2011 which contained the original allegation linking the SAS to the death of Diana.

A key passage in the wife's letter says her husband threatened to make her "disappear" by tampering with her car.

It is a chilling echo of a note written by Diana's lawyer Lord Mishcon during a conversation with her in which she predicted her death.

On March 1, a Downing Street official acknowledges receipt of the letter and adds: "I am writing on behalf of the Prime Minister to thank you for the copy of your letter and enclosure of 11 February addressed to the Chief of the General Staff.

"I was sorry to hear of the difficulties you are experiencing. Mr Cameron appreciates you taking the time and trouble to share your concerns."

General Wall responds to the letter on March 4 and is clearly concerned by the nature of the allegations but crucially, like the Prime Minister, he does not mention any reference to Diana and the murder allegations. He writes: "I was very concerned to read your allegations against your estranged husband and your fears for your safety, and have been in touch with his regiment to see what measures can be taken to address this situation."

The note concludes by adding that he is copying the letter to "the Director of Special Forces and the Commanding Officer of the Special Air Service Regiment".

Diana, Dodi and driver Henri Paul died when their car smashed into a pillar in the Pont de L'Alma underpass in Paris in August 1997.

Soldier N allegedly told his wife that the crash was caused after an SAS hit team flashed a blinding light at Paul. The claim appears to support testimony from an ex MI6 spy at the inquest into Diana and Dodi's death who said he was aware of a colleague's proposal to kill Serbian leader ­Slobodan Milosevic by using a strobe light in a tunnel to distract his driver.

He revealed the existence of a shadowy unit within the SAS known as The Increment for the purposes of carrying out lethal operations on behalf of MI6. The original allegations that the SAS was involved in the deaths were passed to the Yard in July following the complaint by former Harrods owner Al Fayed.


Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 15, 2013, 12:37:40 PM
Quote'SAS Assassinated Diana by Shining Light Into Her Driver's Face': Extraordinary claim by special forces soldier who gave William advanced driving lessons said to be reason why Scotland Yard has reopened case

An SAS soldier claimed Princess Diana was killed after a member of the elite unit shone a light in her driver's face causing him to crash, it has been claimed.

The man, known only as Soldier N, is said to have made the astonishing allegations to his wife after taking Prince William on an advanced driving course in 2008.

Scotland Yard reportedly decided to review the historic case 16 years after Diana's death in a Paris underpass, after interviewing the woman who insists her former husband was telling the truth.  And in a dramatic twist, the investigation could unearth recordings of the crash after security experts today revealed Diana's phone was bugged.

'SAS assassinated Diana by shining light into her driver's face': Extraordinary claim by special forces soldier who gave William advanced driving (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420954/SAS-assassinated-Diana-shining-light-drivers-face-Extraordinary-claim-special-forces-soldier-gave-William-advanced-driving-lessons-said-reason-Scotland-Yard-reopened-case.html)

QuoteDavid Cameron and the Head of the Army 'Were Sent Letter Claiming SAS Killed Diana but Failed to Act'

David Cameron and the head of the army, General Sir Peter Wall, both received letters in February containing a claim that the SAS killed Princess Diana – but neither alerted the police to the matter.

Diana, Dodi and their driver were killed when their Mercedes crashed in the Pont de L'Alma underpass in Paris in August 1997. 

A former SAS sniper - known only as Soldier N - believes the Princess of Wales' death was carried out by British special forces who then 'covered it up'.

David Cameron and the head of the Army 'were sent letter claiming SAS killed Diana but failed to act' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420704/David-Cameron-head-Army-sent-letter-claiming-SAS-killed-Diana-failed-act.html)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Tiara on September 16, 2013, 08:12:06 PM
'Spies taped Diana's crash and bugged her phone'

DONAL MACINTYRE INVESTIGATION: 'Spies taped Diana's crash and bugged her phone' | UK | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429557/DONAL-MACINTYRE-INVESTIGATION-Spies-taped-Diana-s-crash-and-bugged-her-phone)

QuoteIf made public, the phone recordings could help throw light on sensational claims by former SAS serviceman ­Soldier N that Diana was murdered by an SAS assassination squad.

The bugging claim came as a separate Sunday Express investigation revealed that film footage of Diana's last hours was "kept secret". An exhaustive inquiry in the French cap­ital has confirmed the existence of CCTV records of the night Diana died in August 1997.

Many belong to private companies who used France's strict privacy laws to avoid having to hand them over to the police.

Just as crucially, a key traffic camera overlooking the scene of the crash in the Alma Tunnel was said to be switched off or malfunctioning.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 16, 2013, 10:23:27 PM
 :thanks: Tiara!

QuoteA key UK security industry source who served in the military told the Sunday Express that GCHQ remotely switched on recorder modes right up to the moment the couple took their fatal Paris car trip.

If made public, the phone recordings could help throw light on sensational claims by former SAS serviceman ­Soldier N that Diana was murdered by an SAS assassination squad.

The bugging claim came as a separate Sunday Express investigation revealed that film footage of Diana's last hours was "kept secret". An exhaustive inquiry in the French cap­ital has confirmed the existence of CCTV records of the night Diana died in August 1997.

Many belong to private companies who used France's strict privacy laws to avoid having to hand them over to the police.

Just as crucially, a key traffic camera overlooking the scene of the crash in the Alma Tunnel was said to be switched off or malfunctioning.

However, one operator contacted 16 years on said: "Images would have been available if people wanted them to be. The truth is that every excuse poss­ible was made to make sure that live film could be kept secret.

"This suited lots of powerful people, especially those who wanted to dismiss the crash as a simple traffic accident."

The operator, who asked not to be identified because he "fears for my safety", said he was convinced that all available film was "rounded up and hidden or destroyed".
Military sources have claimed Diana's driver, Henri Paul, was blinded with an intense flash of light forcing him to lose control of their Mercedes on an underpass after leaving the Ritz hotel.
Now the security source, a specialist operative who has engaged in "black ops", is alleging that Diana's phone was accessed remotely, even when switched off.

"There is no doubt that this technology was used on Diana and all around her, and for very human reasons she was regularly listened to live in the moment," said the source.

GCHQ operatives spent a great deal of time recording and listening live because she was a priority intelligence target and a direct threat to the Crown, he said.

"More than that, she was an icon and the most famous woman in the world at the time and analysts are vulnerable to curiosity as much as anyone else and would have wanted and had the capacity to listen live to the conversations in the car as it sped away from the Ritz."

As well as these claims, there are suspicions that CCTV cameras were tampered with on the night of the crash.
Pascal Poulain was the commander of the Paris Information and Control Centre which was ultimately responsible for the Alma Tunnel camera that night. Interviewed by British investigators, he said: "In view of the scale of the accident, we tried to see the scene of the accident, using the camera situated at Place de l'Alma.

"That was impossible. In fact the screen showed only a blurred yellow light. We tried to manipulate the camera, that is to use the zoom and manoeuvre it, in vain. We did not have the control.

"By that I mean that another section must have been using the camera and manipulating it and must have not released it.

"It had remained under remote control on another section's ­control panel. But it could also have been due to it being out of order."

Speaking further about the crash, Mr Poulain said that any order to record images taken by the camera would have to have been taken "at the highest level of authority and not by a police officer".

A spokesman for Paris Urban Traffic Units said they stopped using the camera at 11pm, around an hour and 20 minutes before the crash. In the late Nineties, police officer Eric Gigou led a team given the task of collecting all CCTV images on the route from the Ritz to the Alma underpass.

Many belonged to private businesses including hotels and restaurants, as well as a government department, which said that the cameras were facing away from the road, making the film useless.

In an official report, Lieutenant Gigou wrote: "The surveillance cameras on the private and public buildings along the route are only trained on the fronts of the buildings they protect."

For this reason, and the fact that many of the private companies objected to anyone seeing the film, the CCTV images were not made available.

Lieutenant Marc Monot, of the Paris Criminal Brigade, said he visited the Ministry of Justice building next door to the Ritz and requested to see their CCTV footage.

According to the same official papers, "he reported that there were no images that contributed to the inquiry because cameras were positioned on ledges and did not provide any discernible detail".

The use of the vague term "discernible detail" has particularly concerned those who think Diana may have been targeted by assassins, especially as it has effectively been used to keep the footage a secret.

Another part of the mystery is that the Mercedes Benz S-Class involved in the crash had been stolen from a restaurant several months earlier.

It was found after two weeks in a Paris suburb with some small but very specific electronic parts missing.

The parts came from devices within the car's Electronic Management System and were found to control the electric windows, power steering rack and the anti-lock braking system.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 23, 2013, 11:31:59 AM
QuoteSpecial Forces Sniper Who Claimed SAS Assassinated Diana by Shining Light Into Her Driver's Face 'Has Fled Britain'

The SAS soldier who made astonishing claims Princess Diana was murdered by special forces has apparently fled Britain just days before he is set to be questioned by police.

The former sniper, known only as soldier N, is said to have left the country as Scotland Yard launches a new investigation into the Princess' death.

He allegedly told his wife that a member of an elite unit shone a light in her chauffeur's face causing him to crash in August 1997.

Special forces sniper who claimed SAS assassinated Diana by shining light into her driver's face 'has fled Britain' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428913/Special-forces-sniper-claimed-SAS-assassinated-Diana-shining-light-drivers-face-fled-Britain.html)

Cindy

Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Limabeany on September 29, 2013, 11:14:15 AM
Princess Diana SAS sniper flies home from Middle East and will face cops in days - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-sas-sniper-flies-2317908)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on September 30, 2013, 11:45:52 AM
QuoteEx-Soldier Who Claimed Diana Was Murdered by the SAS and Then Fled to the Middle East to be Quizzed by Police

The former SAS soldier who claims Princess Diana was murdered by his old regiment will face police within days over the allegations.

The disgraced sniper, known as Soldier N, will face interrogation by top detectives at Scotland Yard this week after he came out of hiding in the Middle East.

Last week it was reported that he had fled the country in fear of his life after his high profile claims that SAS soldiers flashed lights to deliberately blind the driver of Diana's car and cause a collision.

Ex-soldier who claimed Diana was murdered by the SAS and then fled to the Middle East to be quizzed by police | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2437167/Ex-soldier-claimed-Diana-murdered-SAS-fled-Middle-East-quizzed-police.html)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on October 12, 2013, 08:49:37 AM
Diana: Time for police to make arrests and seize documents, says lawyer | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/436169/Diana-Time-for-police-to-make-arrests-and-seize-documents-says-lawyer)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: HereditaryPrincess on October 13, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
NB: I removed the article I had posted as it didn't related to the police releasing new information about Diana's death and I wasn't sure if I should start a new thread.

Apologies for that. :blush:


Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on December 01, 2013, 12:20:25 PM
QuoteInvestigation Closed Into 'Princess Diana Killed by British Special Forces' Claim by ex-SAS Sniper

Scotland Yard have closed their investigation into an ex-SAS sniper's claim that British special forces killed Princess Diana.

Detectives launched the probe after "Soldier N" alleged his old regiment was ordered to kill the royal.  He told his wife that an SAS squad flashed a blinding light at Diana's driver and caused the crash that killed her in Paris in 1997 – a ­technique developed to ­combat terrorists.

Soldier N's claims were sent to Scotland Yard in July after the court-martial of SAS sniper Danny Nightingale.

More: 'Princess Diana killed by British special forces' claim by ex-SAS sniper - investigation closed - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/princess-diana-killed-british-special-2871249)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on December 01, 2013, 03:49:54 PM
Not surprised at how this turned out.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on December 01, 2013, 04:19:24 PM
What a spectacular waist of Police time and tax payer's money !!!  :ugh:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on December 01, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
Not everybody agrees there ,Eri.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on December 08, 2013, 01:10:41 PM
QuoteScotland Yard Should Forget About Diana, Says Friend Rosa Monckton

One of Princess Diana's closest friends has hit out at Scotland Yard for taking seriously "wild allegations" made by a former disgraced SAS soldier that she was murdered.

The man, known only as Soldier N, has alleged there was a plot by elite troops to arrange the Princess's death in a Paris underpass and then cover it up as an accident.  Detectives launched a "scoping" exercise to study the claim earlier this year but after several months work on the case it now appears that no further action will be taken.

Diana's confidante Rosa Monckton, 60, who is convinced the Princess's death was accidental, said: "Frankly I do not understand why the police even bothered to reopen the case based on such wild allegations."  Speaking from Monaco, where she is on holiday with a friend, she added: "It seems that everyone from the man in the street to the men in uniform find it impossible to accept that such an extraordinary woman could die in such an ordinary way."

More: Scotland Yard should forget about Diana, says friend Rosa Monckton | Royal | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/447394/Scotland-Yard-should-forget-about-Diana-says-friend-Rosa-Monckton)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Eri on December 08, 2013, 03:09:13 PM
^ When can I send this person flowers?  :blowkiss:
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: sandy on December 09, 2013, 01:55:16 AM
Even if something sinister happened, it will be suppressed.  This outcome is no surprise.

Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on December 17, 2013, 05:15:00 AM
Police knock down Princess Diana murder claim - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/16/world/europe/england-princess-diana/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: PrincessOfPeace on December 17, 2013, 10:14:22 AM
QuoteExtraordinary claims that the SAS was involved in the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, were officially dismissed last night.

Scotland Yard said there was 'no credible or relevant evidence' that members of the elite unit were linked to the tragic car crash in Paris 16 years ago.

In a letter to the Queen and Prince Charles, Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said there were no facts to substantiate rumours of Special Forces involvement.

As a result, the criminal inquiry will not be reopened and the matter will not be referred back to coroner Lord Justice Baker, he said.

The decision will come as a relief to senior members of the Royal Household, who have been frustrated at the controversy surrounding the outlandish claims.
More: 'No evidence' that Princess Diana was killed by SAS, Scotland Yard detectives conclude | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2524832/No-evidence-Princess-Diana-killed-SAS-Scotland-Yard-detectives-conclude.html)
Title: Re: Diana\\\'s Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on December 17, 2013, 10:33:17 AM
Wort.lu - "No credible evidence" that Diana was murdered, police say (http://www.wort.lu/en/view/no-credible-evidence-that-diana-was-murdered-police-say-52affe30e4b0ba7c76657bf6)

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Police reject Princess Diana murder claim - hellomagazine.com (http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2013121716191/princess-diana-death-no-sas-involvement/)

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QuotePrincess Diana's death are not investigated more

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Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: Mike on December 17, 2013, 08:56:10 PM
The SAS supposedly carried out these orders issued by Prince Philip? 

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."  It's not there.
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on December 20, 2013, 03:06:52 PM
No SAS involvement in Diana’s death | Royalty in the News (http://royaltyinthenews.com/no-sas-involvement-in-dianas-death)
Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: marine2109 on December 23, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
QuoteScotland Yard da shelve the death of Diana of Wales

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Title: Re: Diana's Death - Police Passed New Information
Post by: cinrit on January 19, 2014, 02:01:43 PM
QuoteSAS Gave Me Envelope Stuffed with £500 to Keep Quiet About Diana, Says Ex-Wife of Sniper Who Claimed Princess Was Murdered by the Regiment

The former wife of an SAS sniper has sensationally claimed that she was paid cash to buy her silence about his astonishing accusation that Princess Diana was murdered by the elite regiment.

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons but who we will call Sarah, says she was given a brown envelope stuffed with bank notes by an SAS officer who told her to 'keep quiet about Diana'.

The sniper's claim that the SAS was 'behind' Princess Diana's death emerged last year at the court martial of Sergeant Danny Nightingale, who was found guilty of illegally possessing a handgun and ammunition.

More: SAS wife's bombshell: Regiment bribed me to keep silent about Diana murder claims | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2541923/SAS-wifes-bombshell-Regiment-bribed-silent-Diana-murder-claims.html)

Cindy