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QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« on: October 12, 2017, 04:04:36 AM »
The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh will view Remembrance Sunday from the balcony.

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The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh will view this year's Remembrance service at the Cenotaph from a balcony, Buckingham Palace says.

I have to say that this is interesting to have the most senior royals viewing the service from the balconies at the Foreign Office. This would  potentially see the PoW, DoCam, PH, DoY, EoW, PR, and DoK as the participants.
 


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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 04:11:03 AM »
Queen asks Prince Charles to step in and lay her wreath at Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday
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The Queen WON'T lay wreath at Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday – Charles to take over duties
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Queen hands over Remembrance Sunday duties to Prince Charles
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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 04:45:21 AM »
This is almost like an end of era. To be honest, I always wondered how the queen was able to climb up those stairs  in parliament with cakes of jewels. I think there was a time when Camilla was struggling under the weight and seemed a bit shaky yet all she was dealing with was a Boucheron tiara. How a pair of 90 year olds cope is beyond me. Very impressive but sadly the body is beginning to say no. There will come a time when everything is a struggle. Foreign visits are now out of the question and I even hear Trump won't be getting a state visit.
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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 04:58:58 AM »
^^And Remembrance Day requires HM to walk up the steps, lay a heavy wreath, walk backward, and bow which is challenging at 91.
 

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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 06:14:45 AM »
I think Trump will have his visit. She is of sound mind and spry for her age. It isn't over yet. Maybe she just wants to keep her husband company during the ceremony. Things are different this year IMO because Philip retired. Too soon for the Queen to be put out to pasture. People are living longer now also.
 
 

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 06:26:11 AM »
While the Queen is still of sound mind I'm sure the physical limitation's of walking up stairs and carrying a heavy wreath would be a bit much for anyone in their 70's-80's let alone 91. It is real sad especially for someone who has always carried out her duties despite illness or problems she may have had with such dignity.


 

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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 06:33:20 AM »
She is not through yet and maybe she likes being out and about but of course nothing strenuous. I hope the younger royals pull their weight more now to help their grandmother.
 
 


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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 07:22:18 AM »
The Queen no longer climbs the narrow stairs during the Garter ceremony at St George's during the Garter ceremony. It's just a question of the spirit being willing but the body weak for much of this. Standing around in the cold, going up and down steps, bending down with heavy wreaths, has all become a bit much.

It's sadly the end of an era in many ways, but I'll be interested to see if the Queen forces herself to go through the long and tiring Opening of Parliament ceremony next year. To me, if Charles reads the speech, and accompanies her to the Throne and back that will be a far more significant move than this.
 

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 11:42:12 AM »
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I hope the younger royals pull their weight more now to help their grandmother.

The younger royals have been taking on the tasks that they can to assist their grandmother by representing her on overseas engagements and tours.  Also  William has been assisting with investitures (which requires standing for long periods of time) for a few years now. Charles and Anne had been doing the same for many years now. Now that the DoE has retired, I believe we'll continue to see one of them act as her escort now and then.

He was doing this important task that has long been associated with the monarch today at Buckingham Palace. Kate's 'Girl Friday' is honoured at Buckingham Palace | Daily Mail Online

So the younger royals have already followed their parents',  aunt/uncles' example by doing what they can to assist their grandparents. :Jen:
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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2017, 11:55:01 AM »
I am curious. Can Charles open parliament or read the Speech before he is regent or monarch? Last time they had a mini state opening (God, I am going right off Theresa May :notamused:). I wonder whether this year she might do something similar or full state but with Charles at her side instead of DOE. I really do think that physically he is no longer able to keep the pace.
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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2017, 01:46:17 PM »
Prince Charles can't 'open Parliament' himself as he isn't the monarch, or formally the Regent (at the moment). That is, process to and back from the throne wearing the crown. However, others can read the speech and have done. The Prince Regent opened Parliament, read the speech, wore robes.

The Lord Chancellor read it several times in Queen Victoria's reign as she was averse to reading out speeches, especially after Albert's death. And all monarchs have missed the opening of the Houses of Parliament occasionally. Queen Vic rarely opened it unless she needed an allowance for her children when they married!

In fact, much of the ceremonial remains in the absence of a monarch.  The speech, the summoning by Black Rod of the Commons to the Lords chamber. (That's what happens in our Opening of Parliament here in Oz. though we have no Lords just a Senate.)  All that's missing is monarch, robes and crown.

 So Charles could read the speech (of forthcoming govt legislation,) which is the most vital element of the opening of Parliament. And he would probably be in naval uniform, Camilla in cream and tiara, William and Kate dressed up similarly too.
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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 02:23:48 PM »
Thanks for the heads up. Very interesting stuff about queen Victoria. The cheek: "I will only work when I need money". lol :hehe:
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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 08:09:25 PM »
Prince Charles can't 'open Parliament' himself as he isn't the monarch, or formally the Regent (at the moment). That is, process to and back from the throne wearing the crown. However, others can read the speech and have done. The Prince Regent opened Parliament, read the speech, wore robes.

The Lord Chancellor read it several times in Queen Victoria's reign as she was averse to reading out speeches, especially after Albert's death. And all monarchs have missed the opening of the Houses of Parliament occasionally. Queen Vic rarely opened it unless she needed an allowance for her children when they married!

In fact, much of the ceremonial remains in the absence of a monarch.  The speech, the summoning by Black Rod of the Commons to the Lords chamber. (That's what happens in our Opening of Parliament here in Oz. though we have no Lords just a Senate.)  All that's missing is monarch, robes and crown.

 So Charles could read the speech (of forthcoming govt legislation,) which is the most vital element of the opening of Parliament. And he would probably be in naval uniform, Camilla in cream and tiara, William and Kate dressed up similarly too.

I think the Queen should continue to open Parliament. If she is of sound mind and physically capable, why not?
 
 


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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 09:01:57 PM »
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I think the Queen should continue to open Parliament. If she is of sound mind and physically capable, why not?
I agree and I'd extend that to any of HM's engagements. If she wants to continue being present at the ones that she believes that she is capable of doing than it should be her choice.
 

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Re: QEII and DoE at 2017 Remembrance Day services
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2017, 10:18:49 PM »
Prince Charles can't 'open Parliament' himself as he isn't the monarch, or formally the Regent (at the moment). That is, process to and back from the throne wearing the crown. However, others can read the speech and have done. The Prince Regent opened Parliament, read the speech, wore robes.

The Lord Chancellor read it several times in Queen Victoria's reign as she was averse to reading out speeches, especially after Albert's death. And all monarchs have missed the opening of the Houses of Parliament occasionally. Queen Vic rarely opened it unless she needed an allowance for her children when they married!

In fact, much of the ceremonial remains in the absence of a monarch.  The speech, the summoning by Black Rod of the Commons to the Lords chamber. (That's what happens in our Opening of Parliament here in Oz. though we have no Lords just a Senate.)  All that's missing is monarch, robes and crown.

 So Charles could read the speech (of forthcoming govt legislation,) which is the most vital element of the opening of Parliament. And he would probably be in naval uniform, Camilla in cream and tiara, William and Kate dressed up similarly too.

I’m strong agreed with you!! Prince Charles not yet to speaking parliament till he become monarchy when Queen abdicate or died depends queen’s health but queen will remain speech at parliament..
 

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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2017, 10:48:59 AM »
What are your thoughts on what this means as far as her health? Given the whole keeping up appearances, im sure shes loath to stop doing anything she normally does. Do you think its just old age aches and pains, or something more serious...gotta keep her on that throne as long as possible..... :flower:
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2017, 10:54:46 AM »
^^^ IMO at her age balance is becoming a concern for QEII. She is required to walk backwards at the Cenotaph and likely this is a concern.
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2017, 10:59:19 AM »
the woman is over 90 and has worked hard by royal standards all her life.  If she wants to do less work, and pass more over to Charles, as she has been doing..adn spend more time iwht Philip, now that he's retired, she should be allowed to do so....
 

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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2017, 11:21:24 AM »
The Queen would have to stand in the cold and bend to put her wreath down on the Cenotaph. She would then have to walk backwards down steps (no turning your back on the Cenotaph.) Her knees have been playing up over the last few years and toppling over isn't an option! I think Phil's retirement means she can relax a little.
 
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