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Title: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: cinrit on October 15, 2013, 11:59:03 AM
QuoteTo Princess Diana she was almost like a second mother.  Lucia Flecha de Lima rarely speaks of their friendship but the opening of the film Diana in her native Brazil has seen the former ambassador's wife open up about the woman who, 16 years after her death, continues to intrigue.

On the three significant men in Diana's life, Madame De Lima, who became friends with the Princess after her husband was appointed to the Court of St James's, is clear.

She was 'not in love with Dodi Fayed', she may have had a 'passion' for heart surgeon Hasnat Khan but 'the love of her life' was Prince Charles.

Diana's true love, by her closest friend | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2460137/Dianas-true-love-closest-friend.html)

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on October 15, 2013, 02:13:25 PM
I think she would always love him as the father of her children. But I think she had yet to meet the true love of her life. I disagree that they became "friends" at the end.  I still think she had her guard up a bit with Charles and Camilla. If she totally trusted Charles she would have allowed the Palace security to come back to work with her.  Diana would have had to be a masochist to consider Charles the love of her life. She was not exactly pining away for Charles and told friends she wanted to remarry and have at least one more child. Not the actions of somebody living in the past.

I doubt Flecha de La Lima knew for certain how Diana felt about Dodi. The secret went with Diana to her grave.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on October 16, 2013, 08:45:10 AM
Quote from: cinrit on October 15, 2013, 11:59:03 AM
QuoteTo Princess Diana she was almost like a second mother.  Lucia Flecha de Lima rarely speaks of their friendship but the opening of the film Diana in her native Brazil has seen the former ambassador’s wife open up about the woman who, 16 years after her death, continues to intrigue.

On the three significant men in Diana’s life, Madame De Lima, who became friends with the Princess after her husband was appointed to the Court of St James’s, is clear.

She was ‘not in love with Dodi Fayed’, she may have had a ‘passion’ for heart surgeon Hasnat Khan but ‘the love of her life’ was Prince Charles.

Diana's true love, by her closest friend | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2460137/Dianas-true-love-closest-friend.html)

Cindy

is it my imagiatnion or is everyone who knew Diana suddenly talking?? I thought well of Hasnat Khan and Lucia Flecha because they DIDNT say much about their friendships with Diana.. now is it due to the Diana movie that a lot of people are prattling on about her?
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: cinrit on October 16, 2013, 11:58:24 AM
Amabel, I was thinking the same thing.  I'm completely surprised especially at these two....

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Trudie on October 16, 2013, 01:26:31 PM
I think both are speaking a bit to clear up what some viewing the movie will see as truth. Was Charles the love of Diana's life she claimed in Panorama that she was desperately in love with her husband. I believe Diana was in love with Charles in the early years of their marriage. Though Diana would love Charles as the father of her children I believe the treatment she received caused that love to slowly extinguish. As for Hasnat and Dodi there is nothing concrete to suggest either would become the love of her life and James Hewitt she said she was in love with him but he had let her down. At the time of her death I believe Diana was enjoying her single status and being able to experience new relationships that was denied her due to her sheltered life before she married Charles. I think she was still looking for that special someone.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on October 16, 2013, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: cinrit on October 16, 2013, 11:58:24 AM
Amabel, I was thinking the same thing.  I'm completely surprised especially at these two....

Cindy
It is disappointing.  I think that possibly Hasnat Khan has been angered and upset by this film and perhaps he feels he ought to speak out and set the record straight.  But Lucia Flecha  was only a Friend of Dis' furor a few years and has been usually good enough at keeping quiet.  so why start chattering now?  But there have been others like that cameraman speaking up lately. I guess the film has given Di a bit of notice again, because to tell the truth, she's NOT been remembered all THAT much, even during the Kate pregnancy stuff...and that sets off people comingout of the woodwork with "stories".  Also of course teh SAS guy...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: cinrit on October 16, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
I got the impression that Hasnat Khan spoke out to clear up misconceptions about himself more than any misconceptions about Diana.  Can't figure Lucia Flecha, though.  What good to either herself or Diana does it do for her to speak out?

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on October 16, 2013, 08:10:37 PM
Quote from: amabel on October 16, 2013, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: cinrit on October 16, 2013, 11:58:24 AM
Amabel, I was thinking the same thing.  I'm completely surprised especially at these two....

Cindy
It is disappointing.  I think that possibly Hasnat Khan has been angered and upset by this film and perhaps he feels he ought to speak out and set the record straight.  But Lucia Flecha  was only a Friend of Dis' furor a few years and has been usually good enough at keeping quiet.  so why start chattering now?  But there have been others like that cameraman speaking up lately. I guess the film has given Di a bit of notice again, because to tell the truth, she's NOT been remembered all THAT much, even during the Kate pregnancy stuff...and that sets off people comingout of the woodwork with "stories".  Also of course teh SAS guy...

Diana has come up a lot before and after the  birth of the royal baby. Each special issue on the Royal Baby features a large section on Diana with her boys and how she raised them.  She was decidedly discussed and out there regarding Baby George. George is her grandson.

I don't know why Lucia spoke out now and she was among Diana's closest friends according to various biographies I read. Not THE closest friend.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: dianab on October 16, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
hmm?
According to the all of books out there about Diana, she was THE closest friend. And when Diana was alive she was described as the VERY BFF of Diana. And everyone else who likes described themselves as inner circle of Diana, says Lucia was her THE VERY best friend.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on October 16, 2013, 11:48:15 PM
I read her closest friends were: Rosa Monckton, Elsa Bowker, Lucia, Carolyn Bartholomew. Each one genuinely loved and cared for her. I never read any of them was a "favorite." Carolyn Bartholomew helped Diana at her lowest point and did an intervention and as a result Diana sought the help of a doctor who helped her keep  bulimia  under control. Elsa Bowker was a mother figure for Diana. Lucia and Rosa were fast friends with Diana. Rosa helped Diana posthumously by speaking out against the idea of Camilla attending the Diana Memorial Service. She had the guts to speak out against it.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on October 17, 2013, 05:29:13 AM
Quote from: dianab on October 16, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
hmm?
According to the all of books out there about Diana, she was THE closest friend. And when Diana was alive she was described as the VERY BFF of Diana. And everyone else who likes described themselves as inner circle of Diana, says Lucia was her THE VERY best friend.
News to me.  I don't think she knew Di til  a few years before her death and while they were close for a time, she had other friends who went back longer in her life.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: dianab on October 17, 2013, 01:41:08 PM
They met & became friends in 1991. When Lucia still was living in London, Diana used stayed weekends at embassy. After when she moved to USA, Diana visited her, even spend the Christmas 1993 with her & her family in Washington (stayed there more an whole week). Lucia Flecha de Lima visited Diana, in London, in final day of divorce. When Diana goes to USA she stayed at embassy (I think the last time was related to landmines in mid 1997), they were too often seen shopping in NY when Diana stayed in city. What always was reported was Lucia Flecha de Lima was her most trustworthy friend, since she into in life of Diana in early 1990s. Many said the relationship/closeness of Diana with Lucia was one she would wish have with her own mother. Always was in this way she & her friendship with Diana was described. :hide:
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: cinrit on October 17, 2013, 02:28:17 PM
I don't remember hearing her name back in the day, but I may have.  I've seen her referred to here in the past, though, as a very close friend of Diana's, if not her very best friend.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on October 17, 2013, 02:29:35 PM
Perhaps more of a mother figure..
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: dianab on October 17, 2013, 03:25:41 PM
Quote from: cinrit on October 17, 2013, 02:28:17 PM
I don't remember hearing her name back in the day, but I may have.  I've seen her referred to here in the past, though, as a very close friend of Diana's, if not her very best friend.

Cindy
Yes, this is what she was described for press. I dont understant all the fuss in this thread from some and the relationship she was described (when Diana was alive and after she died) have had with Diana. Who liked to read about Diana in 1990s, definitely saw Diana out & about with Lucia Flecha de Lima and saw as she was described as BFF of Diana and she was someone else Diana feels who could trust (she was repeatedly described in this way). All this bios come out after her death repeat the same thing about their friendship...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on October 18, 2013, 12:09:46 AM
Fortunately for Diana she had a close circle of friends who were there for her.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Lucy on October 21, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Actually Lucia Flecha di Lima spoke up about Diana several years ago during the infamous inquest into Diana's death.I believe she has been cautioned about speaking ill of William and Harry's father, originally by Diana herself.

Prince Charles and Diana were not at all friendly during her last months. You can go to the London Times archives and elsewhere and find that he was outraged at her yachting with the Al Fayeds , taking William and Harry long for a fun vacation. He was also furious Diana appeared on a yacht in a bathing suit ( how extraordinary ) on or near the birthday of his then paramour, Mrs.Camilla Parker Bowles and opined , through his mates, that Diana dared to " upstage " him and Camilla when he was throwing an extravagant party for Parker Bowles at Highgrove and was incandescent Diana was getting more attention.

Diana herself noted that she loved and adored James Hewitt.Had he not been destroyed by the powers that be ( he was a decorated war hero ) things may have been very different for the couple. Dodi and Hasnet were more friends than anything else.
In the end, Lucia sold Diana out in favour of keeping favour with Charles.

Diana's revenge: Dodi affair was calculated to snatch attention from Camilla | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-503331/Dianas-revenge-Dodi-affair-calculated-snatch-attention-Camilla.html)
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on October 22, 2013, 07:00:56 AM
You can't be serious??  Diana was deeply in love with Hasnat Khan. S he had finished years before with J Hewitt when he had used their affair as a money making scheme for himself, which he has continued to do since her death showing himself to be a sleazy cad. 
Di had long since dropped him, and had been involved with several other men, Khan, Oliver Hoare, and Dodi Fayed.  I don't think the romance with Dodi was very serious, it was a way of hitting out at Charles who was increasingly public in his romance with Camilla and at Hasnat who had refused to go public with their love or to take it to another level... but I think she was at leaset considering Dodi as a husband, due to his wealth..  However I dont think it woudl have lasted, she problaby saw it as mainly as a summer romance..  but hewitt was certainly long since gone from her life and was deservedly disliked by her...
Title: Re: Diana\'s True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: marine2109 on October 22, 2013, 03:32:49 PM
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Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on October 23, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
Quote from: Lucy on October 21, 2013, 07:49:11 PM
Actually Lucia Flecha di Lima spoke up about Diana several years ago during the infamous inquest into Diana's death.I believe she has been cautioned about speaking ill of William and Harry's father, originally by Diana herself.

Prince Charles and Diana were not at all friendly during her last months. You can go to the London Times archives and elsewhere and find that he was outraged at her yachting with the Al Fayeds , taking William and Harry long for a fun vacation. He was also furious Diana appeared on a yacht in a bathing suit ( how extraordinary ) on or near the birthday of his then paramour, Mrs.Camilla Parker Bowles and opined , through his mates, that Diana dared to " upstage " him and Camilla when he was throwing an extravagant party for Parker Bowles at Highgrove and was incandescent Diana was getting more attention.

Diana herself noted that she loved and adored James Hewitt.Had he not been destroyed by the powers that be ( he was a decorated war hero ) things may have been very different for the couple. Dodi and Hasnet were more friends than anything else.
In the end, Lucia sold Diana out in favour of keeping favour with Charles.

Diana's revenge: Dodi affair was calculated to snatch attention from Camilla | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-503331/Dianas-revenge-Dodi-affair-calculated-snatch-attention-Camilla.html)

Diana said she was very let down by Hewitt selling her out and cooperating with the author of Princess in Love.  It was said that she dropped contact with him ca. 1994 (they were not lovers then and had broken up the relationship in 1991). Hewitt then cooperated with Pasternack the writer of Princess in Love. I don't think they would ever have reconnected. And Hewitt sold her out after she died by going under "hypnosis" and saying that they "might have" been lovers earlier, thus bringing up the nasty gossip about harry's paternity. Hewitt sold Diana out quite a few times. He was finished. And he was the one responsible for his own destruction, he shot himself in the foot. At first he was helpful and kind to Diana but turned out to be a betrayer of the late Princess.

Diana's friends never thought Diana and Khan were "just friends." Hasnet said t hey were intimate.

I do agree that she and Charles never really became friends that Summer. I don't think she trusted him.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Eri on October 28, 2013, 04:48:06 PM
I think in retrospect Di  married at 19 with a man she idolized but never loved if you ask me ... the others were just her making up for the sheltered life she lead before marrying  but she never met her true love if you ask me ... I think "friends" is going too far but I do believe between Chuck and Di things were better before she died you could see it all over his face immediately after her death ...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on October 28, 2013, 05:00:27 PM
I think she loved him, but the person she loved didn't really exist.  And when she got to know him better she didn't like him much. But I think that she clung on to some kind of belief that it would work out and that he would transform into the kind of man she wanted or that she would go on loving him although he irritated her, she irritated him and they had little in common.
I think with her other men, she was deeply in love with Hoare and with Khan, and hoped that one or the other of them would become her husband, and she'd be happier with them than she could be with a man like Charles. Not sure about Dodi. I dotn think he was more than a summer romance and she got bored with him.
As for Charles I don't think that they were that close in their last year or so. I think she got on a bit better but she still Had resentment about his relationship with Camilla.  I think she was upset that he had another woman that he was settled with and happy with, whereas her attempts to find another man were not going well.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on October 28, 2013, 07:34:35 PM
I think she had reservations about Hoare. When he left his wife, she became more ambivalent. I think she needed a confidante and someone to talk over things with and someone to "be there" for her. I don't think she loved him but was besotted by him.

Diana had just gotten a divorce and was dating again. I don't think she felt like she couldn't find anybody, I t hink she may have enjoyed being single and just dating. I don't think she was desperate to find a husband and said she needed another marriage "like a bad rash." Women can be happy without rushing into a marriage because their ex is in a relationship. I think she loved Hasnet but moved on after he would not go public with their relationship.

I think she loved Charles. If she didn't she would not have cared if he ran to Camilla. She'd sit back and enjoy the perks and play the wife in public and let hubby go to his mistress. But she did care and the rejection did hurt her.

I think Charles was shocked that she died but he was right back promoting Camilla less than a year after Diana died and sat back while his friends and sympathizers said ugly things about he late ex wife. If he loved Diana he would have made her non-negotiable--the love would be for the mother of his children not that he was madly in love with her when she died.  Charles was also scared for his life, hence the expression on his face. He was afraid that people would blame him.

I think Charles and Diana's having little in common boiled down to her not playing nice and accepting the mistress as part of her husband's life. Had Charles cut ties with Camilla, I think they could have worked things out. The fly in the ointment IMO was always Camilla.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Eri on October 29, 2013, 07:59:32 AM
It was all Camilla's fault ...everything that went wrong in Di's life it was Camilla's doing  :hemademe: ... Di had nothing to do with it poor little Angel just an innocent bystander <_< ...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on October 29, 2013, 05:27:38 PM
Would any marriage have much of a chance if hubby still was in touch with the "other woman" and she was never completely out of his life?  Charles also admitted to his biographer that he preferred Camilla when he married Diana. Fair to Diana? No way. Camilla should have cut off contact with Charles and not butted in. She has a large portion of blame IMO.  If she were squeaky clean, Charles would have had no need to hire expensive spin doctors to try to rehabilitate her. And Charles needed PR work on his image as well.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Kate on October 31, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
I agree with Sandy regarding Camilla.. Had Camilla been a true honest feeling person, she would have moved off, once Charles became engaged!.I don't believe that Diana was an "angel" by any means. However, I do believe that she was an innocent upon entering the marriage. After witnessing her husbands mistress having such a hold over Charles, Diana became a pupil of " the game", whereas Charles and especially Camilla were the teachers of the "Game".
Their experience in manipulating, lying and with the support of their mutual friends (leaving Diana out) Diana honed the skill very well...IMO, only against her husband and his mistress!
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Limabeany on October 31, 2013, 11:49:07 PM
 :notworthy: :notworthy: :goodpost: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Brilliantly put!
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: SophieChloe on October 31, 2013, 11:58:41 PM
Kate - Bloody good post !
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on November 01, 2013, 06:11:58 AM
Quote from: Kate on October 31, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
as Charles and especially Camilla were the teachers of the "Game".
Their experience in manipulating, lying and with the support of their mutual friends (leaving Diana out) Diana honed the skill very well...IMO, only against her husband and his mistress!

I think that Diana was no stranger to lying either or to manipulation.  She managed to carry on affairs with more than one man, and  at least one married man with such skill that the press didn't find out til she lost her head and pursued him with phone calls.  She was able to get O HOare to leave his wife.  If it was wrong for Camilla to keep up an affair with Charles wasn't it wrong for Diana to have an affair with Hoare and get him to leave his wife?  Did she really think that it awas OK to do that, because her marriage had failed?  Don't you think that she might have felt "I was hurt when my marriage went wrong and when Camilla spent too much time iwht my husband causing him to neglect me, so I am not goig to do that to another woman?"
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Limabeany on November 01, 2013, 11:35:59 AM
She did that after Charles and Camilla were done spitting her out, let's not pretend she was the one who got married with a liver on the wings...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: cinrit on November 01, 2013, 11:45:38 AM
There's a special dispensation that says it's okay to break up a marriage if someone broke up yours? 

(According to Sarah Bradford's biography [which I was encouraged by some at this forum to read, as it being highly accurate] as a child, Diana had a "reputation for lying":

"She had a strong streak of fantasy and self-dramatization in her make-up, and as a child had a reputation for lying: one day on the school run, a local vicar's wife told her: 'Diana Spencer, if you tell one more lie, I'll put you out of the car.'  Even her brother Charles  Spencer later agreed that as a child she had a tendency to lie."  Page12, Sarah Bradford, Diana )

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on November 01, 2013, 11:59:13 AM
Well I think that was just childish silliness, but I think she was quite good at telling lies and manipulating, when she was older and it was more serious.  She and Gilbey discuss how she's going to pretend that she has to go to London for back treatment,  so that she can meet him, and she was clearly no strange to marital deceptions...
If she did indeed "learn this" from Charles, you might say that she surpassed her teacher.  She managed to have quite a few relationships that didn't get into the press until she over played her hand.  The press weren't aware of the Hoare affair till she pursued him with the phone calls, and it became a police matter.  She was with Khan for a while witout the press getting hold of it. 
And I agree, the fact that she felt that Camilla had destroyed HER marriage by being in touch with Charles in the early days and sleeping wit him later, is hardly an excuse for her doing the same to another woman.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: cinrit on November 01, 2013, 12:06:12 PM
That, from Sarah Bradford's book, was only the first reference.  There are references on several other pages, easily found in the index, of other examples, when Diana was an adult and separated from Charles.  I didn't want to type them all.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on November 01, 2013, 12:13:36 PM
about Di's dramatizing or her affairs?
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: cinrit on November 01, 2013, 12:46:45 PM
Without going back and re-reading each one, I'd say "exaggerations of certain events".  In the Index, it's listed as "lying and embroidery of facts - pages 12,75,,223, 278-9".  I suppose most of us tell at least little white lies in our lifetimes.  But it's unfair to call one spouse a liar, and ignore the fact that the other spouse was guilty of the same.

Cindy
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on November 01, 2013, 02:22:45 PM
I don't think that the sort of lies that C and Di told each other in relation to covering up tehir infidelities is that big a thing.  Unless they were going to be very "upfront" about it, they were bound to lie and say "I'm going to X's for a few days" when they were actually spending time with their lovers. I think that that's understandable and  rather better than talking TOO openly about these matters. 
But in respect of Di's "embroidering" that was a slightly different thing.  I think that if Di had been a "smarter liar", she would have been less prone to being called out on it.  But I agree that she did dramatise her unhappiness and say a lot of emotional things that ended up being contradicted by OTHER things she said.. like the "I don't want a divorce" in her Panorama interview.  Or the story about falling down the stairs when pregnant.. etc.  I think that she was prone to overegg what she said, and forget that she'd said someting different on the subject at another time..and people then remembered what she had said and complained about her being dishonest or inconsistent.. But if she had been cleverer at it, she#d have made sure hers stories were more consistent.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Eri on November 01, 2013, 05:22:57 PM
There is no proof of The Prince having anything other than the close friendship he always had with Cam before 1986 which is the Year ALL PARTIES in that mess AGREE the cheating started ... Di had no right to demand he gave up his friends especially since she made 0 effort to be his "best friend" having him go elsewhere ... I agree it was COLD HEARTED of Di to destroy other people's marriages just  because she wasn't happy in her life ... especially after all the whining about C & C  :orchid: ...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on November 02, 2013, 08:25:19 AM
Actually Diana gave different times for when she thought the affair re started.  One was between the births of Will and Harry.  However I think she had a right to say she wasn't too Happy with Charles maintaining a close friendship with his ex mistress.  I don't think it helped at the start of their marriage that they lived close to Cam and she knew that Ch was still emotionally drawn to Cam.  But equally, she should have backed off when the wives of her male Friends were unhappy with her being "too close" to them. 
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Eri on November 02, 2013, 01:19:55 PM
^What efforts did she make to make him forget Cam? If anything she send him back to Cam RUNNING ... Di as unfair as it seems was in a position to have to win over her husband and she wasn't willing to do that to the contrary ... it's amazing though how she did the same thing she whined and whined about Cam doing to other women it's true ...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Limabeany on November 02, 2013, 11:22:23 PM
He never left Camilla, so how could she have sent him back to the woman he was always with?????????????????? :wellduh:
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on November 03, 2013, 07:05:22 AM
Quote from: Eri on November 02, 2013, 01:19:55 PM
^What efforts did she make to make him forget Cam? If anything she send him back to Cam RUNNING ... Di as unfair as it seems was in a position to have to win over her husband and she wasn't willing to do that to the contrary ... it's amazing though how she did the same thing she whined and whined about Cam doing to other women it's true ...

what exactly was she supposed to do??  She was herself, Unfortunately she and Charles had Little in common and both of them had not found that out, during their courtship.  Diana was not the same type of person as Camilla, naturally country loving and horsey.  She was a "townie" and not interested really in the kind of things that Charles was interested in.  I think that that only hit her on honeymoon, when she found herself alone with Charles and realsing that she did not like the RF's way of life or Charles' hobbies.  She made occasional efforts to try and fit in with that, and he made effforts to fit in with what she liked, staying home with the kids, going on sunshine holidays but both of them were trying against their inclinations
Title: Re: Diana\\\'s True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on November 03, 2013, 12:18:12 PM
Charles knew that Diana was not of the "horsey" set. If it were such a big deal he cold have found another young woman of the "set." The thing is that I believe that Camilla being of the horsey set would not want Charles taking along a wife to spoil their fun at the hunts and other country pursuits. I think Diana seeing the little gift from Camilla that Charles was wearing and the photos dampened the "mood" during the honeymoon. Charles and Diana did go on ski trips so they didn't vacation apart. Camilla never goes skiing with him.

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Quote from: Eri on November 02, 2013, 01:19:55 PM
^What efforts did she make to make him forget Cam? If anything she send him back to Cam RUNNING ... Di as unfair as it seems was in a position to have to win over her husband and she wasn't willing to do that to the contrary ... it's amazing though how she did the same thing she whined and whined about Cam doing to other women it's true ...

Camila should have not been available for Charles to come running to. She had a husband and two young children. Charles hormones and stupidity drove him to Camilla even before Diana came on the scene. Her wedding ring from APB was no deterrent for Charles. Charles dumped Diana after she had the heir and spare. Had he been sincere about working on the marriage, Camilla should have been off limits to him.

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Quote from: amabel on November 02, 2013, 08:25:19 AM
Actually Diana gave different times for when she thought the affair re started.  One was between the births of Will and Harry.  However I think she had a right to say she wasn't too Happy with Charles maintaining a close friendship with his ex mistress.  I don't think it helped at the start of their marriage that they lived close to Cam and she knew that Ch was still emotionally drawn to Cam.  But equally, she should have backed off when the wives of her male Friends were unhappy with her being "too close" to them. 

Diana never said the affair started again between the births of the children. Other
people-- writers put this out to the press. One says he was back in touch with her ca. 1983. Diana said he "went back to his lady" after Harry was born. I think Charles never was really out of contact with Camilla.  Had Diana not been cut loose I doubt she'd have looked at another man. Charles in effect ended the marriage when he left Diana's bed.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Princessinwaiting on November 03, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Diana didn't even try to put effort in the relationship she always cried created drama and wanted to play victim no wonder he cheated
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Post by: sandy on November 03, 2013, 12:26:52 PM
I'd like to point out that Charles was involved with two married women, Kanga and Camilla (Camilla got Kanga out of the way) before he met Diana. He used Diana to get heirs but had no intention of dropping the mistress. Yet Diana is blamed. She went into the marriage in good faith. Charles did not. Had divorce been encouraged I think Diana would have filed for divorce and moved on.  I don't blame Diana for being upset. A wife should not have to compete with a mistress, particularly one as manipulative as Camilla

Charles did not care two cents for the   feelings of the  husbands of Kanga and Camilla, he just wanted what he wanted when he wanted it.  He went into the marriage to Diana with this attitude. Yet Diana is blamed for "not trying." GMAB. Blamng the wife for a man's acting like a dog is a cop out IMO. It's an age old excuse for a man philandering. Blame the wifey.



Quote from: Eri on November 01, 2013, 05:22:57 PM
There is no proof of The Prince having anything other than the close friendship he always had with Cam before 1986 which is the Year ALL PARTIES in that mess AGREE the cheating started ... Di had no right to demand he gave up his friends especially since she made 0 effort to be his "best friend" having him go elsewhere ... I agree it was COLD HEARTED of Di to destroy other people's marriages just  because she wasn't happy in her life ... especially after all the whining about C & C  :orchid: ...

Friends with benefits. The two could never be "just friends."  Even if they didn't sleep together again until 1986, it was an alienation of affection with Charles preferring the company of another woman. Diana did not destroy other people's marriages. Hoare is sitll married to his wife. Carling  denied any affair took place--he and his wife had other issues.

Camilla is the homewrecker par excellence.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Limabeany on November 03, 2013, 12:31:24 PM
Quote from: PRINCESSINWAITING on November 03, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Diana didn't even try to put effort in the relationship she always cried created drama and wanted to play victim no wonder he cheated
Diana was 19, a naive 19, and Charles was 32 with a lover on the side, it was not his teenage free from other attachments that had to put the effort in the beginning but her middle aged husband.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Princessinwaiting on November 03, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
he committed at the beginning ,she never really trusted him theres only so much you can take . by the time problems started she was mid 20s  :orchid:
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Limabeany on November 03, 2013, 12:51:04 PM
He rbought the cuff links his lover gave him to his honeymoon, he gave his lover a present early in their marriage, what effort? :orchid:
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on November 03, 2013, 02:56:26 PM
I agree Lmabeany Charles also insisted that he go to lunch with Camilla to personally present the little gift. I don't blame Diana for being upset. She thought though once he took his vows to her Camilla would be history. Then Charles put on the cufflinks from Camilla on the honeymoon. I don't get why Diana is made the bad guy in the scenario.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Eri on November 03, 2013, 04:37:23 PM
^ No it's The Prince who is made out to be a "monster" in this "scenario" ...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: SophieChloe on November 03, 2013, 04:43:14 PM
He was - the pair of them were - IMO!

And some are quite understanding of a married man wearing cuflinks from his mistress and Diana was meant not to mind - really!  - Would you?

If my husband had done that to me - I'd have chopped his b...s off.  Disgraceful. 
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Post by: LadyAiello on November 03, 2013, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: PRINCESSINWAITING on November 03, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Diana didn't even try to put effort in the relationship she always cried created drama and wanted to play victim no wonder he cheated

If you have done any research, you would know she stated that she had done many things to make him feel happy, comfortable, loved, sexy, desired, cared for, etc.

I implore you to read some more before you state someone has reason to cheat on their spouse.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Eri on November 03, 2013, 09:43:58 PM
@ sophiechloe Why would she have done such thing given that she was busy doing Hewitt?  :wink:
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on November 03, 2013, 11:41:45 PM
Hewitt came into the picture in 1986 years after the infamous cufflinks on honeymoon episode.  Biographers maintain that Charles was relieved that Diana was involved with Hewitt, it took the heat off his being with Camllla.
Title: Re: Diana\'s True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: amabel on November 04, 2013, 07:34:34 AM
Quote from: LadyAiello on November 03, 2013, 06:13:26 PM
Quote from: PRINCESSINWAITING on November 03, 2013, 12:26:41 PM
Diana didn't even try to put effort in the relationship she always cried created drama and wanted to play victim no wonder he cheated

If you have done any research, you would know she stated that she had done many things to make him feel happy, comfortable, loved, sexy, desired, cared for, etc.

I implore you to read some more before you state someone has reason to cheat on their spouse.
She may have tried, but she also abruptly gave up "liking" the country life at balmorla, and no doubt mystified Charles because she now seemed to hate the pursuits that she'd apparnelty enjoyed watching him doing when they were dating.  She did her best, butt it wasn't a very successful enterprise, because it was against her inclinations.  She did not really Care for shooting or hunting or country life, she had just fooled herself into thinking she did, during their courtship. And he tried to make her feel happy, by staying home with her and the children, going to sunny climates for holidays.  But that was against his inclinations.  The marriage failed because they did not have much in common.

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Quote from: Limabeany on November 02, 2013, 11:22:23 PM
He never left Camilla, so how could she have sent him back to the woman he was always with?????????????????? :wellduh:

How did he "never leave" Camilla?  He was living iwht Diana.  He was working or spending time with her and the children in the first few years. Diana never said that he was with Camilla from the very beginning of tehir marriage.  She said IIRC in Morton that she believed he had returned to Cam during her pregnancy with Harry, but she ALSO said that the last few weeks of that pregnancy were the happiest and closest that she had ever been with Charles.  So that is Rather contradictory.   If he was back with Cam how coem he was so close to her? 
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on November 04, 2013, 04:47:18 PM
Diana said after Harry was born she believed he "went back to his lady." During the pregnancy she said they were close.

Camilla was in contact with Charles and vice versa from the beginning of the marriage. Barry said phone calls were placed by Charles to Camilla during the honeymoon. They also met up at the hunts. If he still preferred Camilla to Diana certainly Diana would have sensed this from the get-go.

The marriage failed because of Charles preferring the other woman and not giving her completely up.

Again, during the honeymoon at Balmoral Diana was pregnant with WIlliam and felt sick. How could she frolic around Balmoral when she was not feeling well. And Charles knew she didn't hunt or ride--she in fact told this to Camilla during their lunch after the engagement. Everybody knew Diana fell from the horse and didn't ride or hunt.
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Post by: Queen Camilla on November 04, 2013, 05:52:42 PM
Quote from: sandy on November 04, 2013, 04:47:18 PM
Again, during the honeymoon at Balmoral Diana was pregnant with WIlliam and felt sick. How could she frolic around Balmoral when she was not feeling well. And Charles knew she didn't hunt or ride--she in fact told this to Camilla during their lunch after the engagement. Everybody knew Diana fell from the horse and didn't ride or hunt.

Balmoral honeymoon was in August and September.  William is said to have been born early so Diana would have conceived in early to mid October. 
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on November 04, 2013, 06:42:25 PM
Diana told Morton she was sick with bulimia and morning sickness while at Balmoral. Diana conceived William earlier than October according to various accounts. Doctors gave her valium which she had to stop taking when she discovered she was pregnant.  She said she was "sick as a parrot" at Balmoral. So in any case she was not up to par at Balmoral.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Queen Camilla on November 05, 2013, 02:40:27 AM
Not everything Diana told Andrew Morton was true. 

Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on November 05, 2013, 03:32:39 PM
I don't think she'd lie about morning sickness. She said doctors were sent. Charles never refuted this and indeed mentioned the morning sickness in his authorized biography and how she was not feeling well.  So you'd have to question if Charles told the truth too in this case.
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: Eri on November 05, 2013, 04:05:20 PM
To take this back on topic ... Di never got to have " the love of her life" she died too young but I think The Prince was the closest she got to that ...
Title: Re: Diana's True Love, by Her Closest Friend
Post by: sandy on November 05, 2013, 04:13:06 PM
I think she'd always have loved him as the father of her children and he was her first love. But I think he stopped being the love of her life when they became estranged and she never quite trusted him completely even after the divorce.