Fergie: Downfall of the Duchess - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPZo2V7Ynq8)
QuoteThis is the story of Sarah Ferguson, once Her Royal Highness, Duchess of York - now an exile from the royal family - a woman who had everything, then threw it away when forced to exploit her name during a huge scandal.
On August 21, 1996 letters patent were issued which removed the style Her Royal Highness from Sarah. She was a divorced former wife of a Prince. However, why was she able to retain the style Her Royal Highness immediately after the divorce?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du6soLbUUAE1-Nn.jpg :xmas4:
^ There's another York family Xmas card around as well.
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In the second card I like the fact that the wedding photo of Jack and Princess Eugenie was included. I like how they are looking out from the Scottish State Coach.
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Yes! I love that Jack is included!
Lovely, but confusing. Sarah. :thumbsdown:
How can you be divorced and still family, legally.
Yes she is their mother, but not his wife.
They are not married.
Sarah is not at Sandringham :xmas4:v , Trooping of the Colors, etc as his wife. She is not included.
Get remarried or cut the bull.
If Camilla married in and Meghan, why not Sarah.
Life is short.
Do these two want to be remarried?
PP can get over it.
@FanDianaFancy -I might be wrong but I believe that in recent years that Andrew has made a few statements denying that they'll remarry as he's come to realize that Sarah is not suited to life in the BRF.
Quote from: TLLK on December 31, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
@FanDianaFancy -I might be wrong but I believe that in recent years that Andrew has made a few statements denying that they'll remarry as he's come to realize that Sarah is not suited to life in the BRF.
Not exactly tactful of him, but it is true....
Andrew would NEVER marry Sarah a 2nd time. Its not going to happen. To bad Sarah didn't realize what she had when she was married. I do think she learned the hard way and now regrets her past choices. To be fair, she was very young when she divorced Andrew - I'm not sure if she had a choice.
She didn't have much choice.. she made a hash of things, and let her affairs become public knowledge. THe queen I believe waned to try and keep the marriage together but by then, Andrew had had enough. But Sarah was the one who initially got fed up with being a Princess and wanted out of the marriage..
Sarah is a perfect example of why it is never a good idea to make hasty decisions. She trusted people who she should never have trusted who used her as a guinea pig for what it might be like to "escape the Windsors". There was all this talk about being trapped and breaking free. Then she jumped the shark and was swallowed up. I do not really think her post-marital life was that happy.
Perhaps there is too much water under the bridge for a remarriage but I wish her the best. She was never malicious and most definitely never set out to destroy her husband or his family. It was just that she was not very good at being a princess.
Sarah might not have been malicious or meant anything with her behaviour as a member of the BRF, but as the old saying goes, 'The road to Hell is paved with good intentions', isn't it, and her blundering and impetuosity caused as much chaos in others' lives as if she really did mean it. And although she was naive at times I'm really not sure that I believe Sarah's story that she got drawn into the access to Andrew cash fiasco because she was helping out a pal with a debt.
He he. I would have liked to be a fly on the wall when those cameras and microphones were switched off at the official wedding photo. Haha...perhaps DOE let rip :hehe:
On a serious note, they are practically remarried if she is to be believed...unless he is just being a gentleman and she wants more. I wouldn't put it past Sarah. I remember at Harry's wedding, she was doing her own walkabout in Church as if she was the hostess, gushing and grinning... :hehe: The girl's got front...give her that
Well, Sarah does share Royal Lodge with Andrew and Beatrice, when she and Bea are in the UK. Andrew is quite fond of her I'm sure, as the mother of his children. I even think he believes she is good hearted in spite of everything. And her gushing about how wonderful he is helps with his reputation though I don't think people take Fergie seriously. But I really really don't think Andrew is IN love with Sarah any more or wants to be married to her once again. He's lived his own free life for more than twenty years and I think the present arrangements suit him fine.
Im sure he does not want to remarry her. He's probably a natural bachelor and is happy enough, with his kids and his friendship with sarah, but havig freedom to have as many fun relationships as he wants. Of course Sar is going to make out that they are practically remarried, but it is not true
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Quote from: royalanthropologist on January 01, 2019, 10:49:25 AM
Sarah is a perfect example of why it is never a good idea to make hasty decisions. She trusted people who she should never have trusted who used her as a guinea pig for what it might be like to "escape the Windsors". There was all this talk about being trapped and breaking free. Then she jumped the shark and was swallowed up. I do not really think her post-marital life was that happy.
Perhaps there is too much water under the bridge for a remarriage but I wish her the best. She was never malicious and most definitely never set out to destroy her husband or his family. It was just that she was not very good at being a princess.
I agree that the RF should have realised she wasn't sutiable as a Princess.. though I can understand that they probably thought she had enough brain (just) to rein herself in a bit when she was married and royal..
Does not matter if she was "maliciious" or not.. stupidity of the kind she displayed added to the problems that came about in the RF in the early 90s. She wanted out of the RF, and made a complete show of herself.. Now since then she has gone on making a fool of herself with her endless talking and trying to make out that she is still part of the family and that Andrew would have her back... (if it wasn't for the Grey Men, no doubt).
She was thoughtless and selfish and greedy, and on top of the Charles and Diana fiasco, her behaviour nearly destroyed the monarchy at the time...
Quote from: amabel on January 01, 2019, 09:50:22 AM
She didn't have much choice.. she made a hash of things, and let her affairs become public knowledge. THe queen I believe waned to try and keep the marriage together but by then, Andrew had had enough. But Sarah was the one who initially got fed up with being a Princess and wanted out of the marriage..
It was unfortunate that Sarah did not want to be a Princess any longer. What young lady would not want to be a Princess?
@amabel I will have to read about how the divorce from Andrew came about, I've forgotten all the details. :hmm: Right, I agree. Andrew probably thinks its best to leave well-enough alone and maintain the relationship as it is right now.
@royalanthropologist :goodpost:
@Curryong I forgot that they all shared a place. That's as good as an unofficial remarriage. :eyes:
@LouisFerdinand :hehe:
Quoteit was unfortunate that Sarah did not want to be a Princess any longer. What young lady would not want to be a Princess
A lot actually. More of hinderance and usually depicted as being helpless. Blah. :shrug: :orchid:
Quote from: Blue Clover on January 02, 2019, 02:27:23 AM
@amabel I will have to read about how the divorce from Andrew came about, I've forgotten all the details. :hmm: Right, I agree. Andrew probably thinks its best to leave well-enough alone and maintain the relationship as it is right now.
@royalanthropologist :goodpost:
@Curryong I forgot that they all shared a place. That's as good as an unofficial remarriage. :eyes:
@LouisFerdinand :hehe:
How is it an Unofficial remarriage? THey share a house because it suits Sarah, and she keeps on hoping that she'll be treated at least partly as Royla, if she goes on living in the same house as Andrew.. when he is there and she's there. Andrew was very angry about Sarha's affairs when they were so publicly conducted. He is loyal to her and keeps up a friendship. but they are not remarried or likely to be
Sarah, Duchess of York Says She Was Never Rivals With Diana, Princess of Wales ? Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/yorks/sarah-duchess-of-york-says-she-was-never-rivals-with-diana-princess-of-wales-115902)
Royal calls for end to bullying pitting Kate against Meghan | GMA (https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/sarah-ferguson-calls-end-toxic-social-media-bullying-61015292)
https://www.today.com/news/sarah-ferguson-says-she-princess-diana-were-portrayed-rivals-t148563
Did anyone say she was a rival?
Is that why she is bringing this up?
There is a lot in the press about rivalry or disagreements between Meghan and Kate.. and in their day, Diana and Sarah were seen as rivals for pres attention.. and while they were friends at times, they fell out.. and their relationship was stormy.....
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on February 20, 2019, 08:43:34 PM
Did anyone say she was a rival?
Is that why she is bringing this up?
I believe that it is due to the comparison articles between the Duchesses of Cambridge and Sussex that Sarah is sharing about her own experiences.
Hmmm I think that Diana did find Sarah a support in early days in married life.. and Sarah also sometimes drew the pressure of the press away from her.. Later of course, I think she was a bit careful about being seen iwht her sister in law because Sara was less popular. THen the 2 of them fell out.
But there was no war in the meida, with Di supproters versus Sara Supporters
Does anyone know why Sarah, having been provided with ?500,000 from the Queen in her divorce settlement to buy a new house didn't do so? Instead she rented a home. A friend and I were talking about this the other evening and my friend said she had to pay off her mother Susan Barrentes debts and property in the Argentine.
Fergie only received a small settlement compared to Diana's because of Andrew's then inconsiderable earning power. However, mother aside, surely her first duty was to secure a home for herself and her daughters. Within a fairly short amount of time the settlement had virtually dissipated (apart from the York girls' trust funds) and Sarah was broke. Just how much did her bolter of a mother cost?
I really do think they stiffed Sarah good and proper. Once they realized she had lost the moral high ground (who could recover from pictures of the toe-sucking?), the men in grey suits set to work on her. She negotiated probably one of the worst royal divorce settlements, mainly because she was so embarrassed and panicked by the media expose.
Half a million pounds was not enough to find a suitable house for the queen's grand children. Sarah is also not good at finances so that added to the chaos. It is a miracle she did not end up auctioning herself. Then she made all that money from weight watchers and blew it all away. It is a bit like yo-yo personal finances.
Diana was in a very different situation. She was the wronged woman and she had the ammunition to make their lives a nightmare so they tread carefully. In the end though, she too was stiffed. Her divorce settlement was no where as high as it could have been had she not been dealing with the palace. They put a gagging order on her and she would forever be subject to the whims of the monarch in residence when it came to her public duties.
Sarah wasn't subjected to a gagging order apparently, hence the books and interviews afterwards. And, although her statement that she only wanted friendship from the Queen no doubt warmed the cockles of her mother in law's heart, if her lawyers had asked for just another half a million she could have helped her mother AND had some extra money to play with.
I have to say, the Queen/TPTB were remarkably trusting. This woman was a walking disaster area as far as keeping to any sort of budget, rather exuberant and talkative in her private life and was left with no gag order! Yikes!
But why couldn't they have been provided with houses on one of the queen's estates? After all they were the mothers of her grandchildren. And Sarah did get a low sum but after her affairs she didn't have the upper hand anymore. Why Diana wasn't provided with an country estate as a mother of the heir is beyond me. They both were left to fend for themselves it seems. Quite callous if you ask me.
In my view, indecisive or weak people can be incredibly cruel when they eventually act. Everything was left to the very last minute and the queen just did not want to get her hands dirty. Unfortunately when she did actually act, the axe was too heavy in some instances and too light in others.
In hindsight Sarah needed even more gagging orders than Diana but they let her be and she rewarded them with a series of very un-royal stuff. Diana needed to feel that they valued her because her self-esteem was not always there, but they made it absolutely clear that they were rejecting her. In contrast, Sarah who was and is a very naughty girl, has always always had a warm welcome and it would not surprise me if they remarried after the demise of DOE.
A little bit of good will could have turned Diana into an asset for them even after the divorce, but they blew that as well. Had they treated Diana as warmly as they treat Sarah, I think she would have reciprocated. They would be no more awkwardness about Diana's legacy like there is today (she is person non-grata in royal biographies and they only mention her with gritted teeth).
Yes, it's a bit odd the way the Queen responded to Fergie from the beginning. I suppose it was the bounciness, the lack of artifice as well as the ease with country life. The Queen is a very shy person and I suppose she's used to people behaving in a very exaggerated way with her, either extremely stiff and thunderstruck or overly deferential. Someone once described Fergie as sitting at Balmoral with her legs apart, cheerfully telling dirty jokes (which apparently the Queen doesn't mind!) It would have been a very different experience.
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Quote from: oak_and_cedar on February 27, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
But why couldn't they have been provided with houses on one of the queen's estates? After all they were the mothers of her grandchildren. And Sarah did get a low sum but after her affairs she didn't have the upper hand anymore. Why Diana wasn't provided with an country estate as a mother of the heir is beyond me. They both were left to fend for themselves it seems. Quite callous if you ask me.
I really don't know why Sarah wasn't given a Sandringham country property like Wood Farm. My only guess is that after the toe sucking episode Philip (who was in charge of the Sandringham and Balmoral estates at the time,) didn't want her anywhere near him. Fergie's great love is Switzerland and the ski slopes anyway. They would have been better buying her a holiday chalet she could rent out when she wasn't using it.
As for Diana, I think they thought her brother would provide a home for her, and if not, well she had all that generous divorce settlement. Estates cost the earth to maintain and I just don't think she would have been able to afford it. She didn't like the countryside much anyway.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on February 27, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
But why couldn't they have been provided with houses on one of the queen's estates? After all they were the mothers of her grandchildren. And Sarah did get a low sum but after her affairs she didn't have the upper hand anymore. Why Diana wasn't provided with an country estate as a mother of the heir is beyond me. They both were left to fend for themselves it seems. Quite callous if you ask me.
Why should they be? Diana didn't like country living and didn't want a country estate. She got a handsome divorce settlement, and it was a good idea to make sure she didn't talk, as her propensiity for talking was what had cuased the whole divorce. If the 2 women watned to walk away from the RF, I can't see why the RF should keep them in luxuriy for life.
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Quote from: royalanthropologist on February 27, 2019, 01:48:15 PM
In my view, indecisive or weak people can be incredibly cruel when they eventually act. Everything was left to the very last minute and the queen just did not want to get her hands dirty. Unfortunately when she did actually act, the axe was too heavy in some instances and too light in others.
In hindsight Sarah needed even more gagging orders than Diana but they let her be and she rewarded them with a series of very un-royal stuff. Diana needed to feel that they valued her because her self-esteem was not always there, but they made it absolutely clear that they were rejecting her. In contrast, Sarah who was and is a very naughty girl, has always always had a warm welcome and it would not surprise me if they remarried after the demise of DOE.
A little bit of good will could have turned Diana into an asset for them even after the divorce, but they blew that as well. Had they treated Diana as warmly as they treat Sarah, I think she would have reciprocated. They would be no more awkwardness about Diana's legacy like there is today (she is person non-grata in royal biographies and they only mention her with gritted teeth).
It was Diana who wanted out of the RF. She woudl not stay when invited to Christmas Lunch.. she wnet back to london.. and she coudl hardly expect a very warm private welcome from them when she had behaved teh way she did.
Did not Sarah's father Ronald help to pay off Susan's debts?
Ronald was divorced from Susan, who had left him decades before for Hector Barrentes, an Argentinian polo player. Ronald had remarried and had a second family. He also had his own money troubles Divorced people don't usually pay off their ex's debts. Hector should have left enough money for his widow but they had both lived up to their income throughout their married life.
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on February 27, 2019, 09:38:38 PM
Did not Sarah's father Ronald help to pay off Susan's debts?
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Quote from: Curryong on February 27, 2019, 10:18:36 PM
Ronald was divorced from Susan, who had left him decades before for Hector Barrentes, an Argentinian polo player. Ronald had remarried and had a second family. He also had his own money troubles Divorced people don't usually pay off their ex's debts. Hector should have left enough money for his widow but they had both lived up to their income throughout their married life.
Its one of Fergie's good qualities that she loved her mother.. but she's hopeless with money. If it hadn't been helping her Mum, she would have spent the money on something else..
I think the queen has forgiven her by now, but esp at the time of the divorce she was nto in a mood to be very tolerant and she knew Im sure that however much money Sarah got, she'd fritter it away. the queen wasn't going to give her a very generous settlement.. She provided for the children and let Sarah sort out her own finances
Did Fergie have an education? Or did she go to finishing school and the like?
Hurst Lodge school, an independent boarding school near Ascot in Berkshire was where Fergie was educated. It wasn't in the top rung of girl's schools but was described as 'turning out jolly chalet girls with not too many O levels'. Like Diana's school I don't think that the teachers there would be throwing themselves off the roof if the pupils didn't achieve distinction in their exams. (Chalet girls were girls from this sort of background who lived and worked in Switzerland helping guests in chalets in ski resorts learn to ski and having a boisterous social life in the evenings with lots of cocktails.)
Fergie didn't go to finishing school but to secretarial college at eighteen. Her father's family and his ex wife's had all the connections in the world, knew royalty, but there was no money left in the family coffers, only a farm, and Major Ferguson's prestigious position at a leading polo club. Fergie worked in a gallery and then for an art publishing firm before she married Andrew.
Did the upper classes have something against educating their girls? I don't get it. 'not too many O levels' Why not? Goodness.
She had OK jobs it seems. However, it won't keep you afloat after a divorce to a prince I suppose.
Not if you develop the extravagant tastes that Sarah did....
Some girls went on to university but not a lot. Some girls' boarding schools had very good O and A level results, others just coasted along. If you look at Camilla's schooling it was the same thing. Don't forget this was forty odd years ago, and more for Cam's generation. It was just felt by upper and middle upper class parents everywhere that their daughters would marry and therefore education for tertiary studies wasn't vital. On the other hand Jane Spencer, Diana's sister got eleven O levels and could have got into university if she'd wanted. Instead she worked for Vogue for a while.
I would have said that education would be wasted on Sarah.. She was never going to get into University..
When did Lady Diana Spencer first meet Sarah?
Quote from: LouisFerdinand on March 01, 2019, 07:59:46 PM
When did Lady Diana Spencer first meet Sarah?
I Think Sarah said when they were about 15. I saw it in a Youtube interview with her. Are we allowed to post links to Youtube?
I think that Dianas father dated sarah's mother at one stage.. And Sarah was a cousin of Robin Fellowes who was a friend of the Spencers and then married Jane S.
Diana's father did not date Fergie's mother. He did have an aristo fiancee that he dropped after he met Frances.
Quote from: amabel on February 27, 2019, 06:05:47 PM
Why should they be? Diana didn't like country living and didn't want a country estate. She got a handsome divorce settlement, and it was a good idea to make sure she didn't talk, as her propensiity for talking was what had cuased the whole divorce. If the 2 women watned to walk away from the RF, I can't see why the RF should keep them in luxuriy for life.
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It was Diana who wanted out of the RF. She woudl not stay when invited to Christmas Lunch.. she wnet back to london.. and she coudl hardly expect a very warm private welcome from them when she had behaved teh way she did.
And she would not have given them a warm welcome when THEY behaved the way they did.
They were the ones inviting HER to stay for Christmas.. but I think she didn't feel comfortable with them..and knew that she was not that popular among the RF and was only invited for the sake of the boys.
Look at Fergie to date, she is in a wonderful situation versus 75% of humans in the planet (the other 15% are middleclass, upper middleclass, the super billionaires living la vida loca) :P
The BRF minus Camilla, looked gleeful at Eugenie's wedding, with the help of mom Sarah. The woman tweeted TMI (Too Much Info) :hehe:
Honestly, Andrew and her daughters will never let Fergie live under the bridge or all to pot. She must be skiing, hosting their Verbier 'cottage' (laugh, huge mansion in the slope) as we speak.
Reading some old articles of long gone staffers about the York's, everyday a 'buffet' is laid out, and sometimes goes 'untouched'.
There are limits to Fergie's being let in. William did not invite he to his wedding and Fergie publicly expressed her unhappiness.
Quote from: sandy on March 01, 2019, 09:11:28 PM
There are limits to Fergie's being let in. William did not invite he to his wedding and Fergie publicly expressed her unhappiness.
She should be glad at the degree of acceptance she has received....
^ Well said.
William would have rolled his eyes continuously, especially (long time royal watchers/seasoned royal correspondents) having the know about loyalty/allegiance, and keep my shite private.
She would probably had tweeted from Nov 2010 to May 2011 (she is very excitable) a bunch of 130 character quasi vom inducing...
I think the queen has welcomed her and the others will see her now and again. but clearly Will didn't want her at his wedding..
Quote from: TLLK on December 31, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
@FanDianaFancy -I might be wrong but I believe that in recent years that Andrew has made a few statements denying that they'll remarry as he's come to realize that Sarah is not suited to life in the BRF.
To be honest, I agree with him. She tries but just doesn't seem to fit. However, from what they have said, even to what they have posted on social media, it is clear that their daughters would love nothing better than to seem their parents together forever. And maybe in a unique way, they are.
So true children love seeing their parents getting along, children are less concerned about the nitty-gritty of failed romances. I'm happy Fergie and Andy made it all work for their daughters.
Interesting that Fergie has apparently invited Wallis's latest biographer to visit the Royal burial grounds at Frogmore. As Dickie Arbiter has pointed out, only the Queen can give such permission.
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That is interesting, don't forget that Queen Vicotria is buried there. I would imagine that permission is needed to enter the burial sites. :o
Is Frogmore cemetery closed off with a fence/wall and gate? This would be trespassing!
@TLLK I looked it up and I think that Frogmore is only open to the public 3 days a year. https://www.rct.uk/visit/frogmorehouse##prices
"Frogmore House is only open to individuals on three Charity Open Days each year, when all proceeds are donated to specially selected charities. The next Charity Open Days will be in May 2019. Frogmore is also open to pre-booked groups of 15 people or more during August only."
Permission is required from HM. I know that because several years ago a friend of a relative in England who was interested in the Duke of Kent's death (a mysterious one) asked for permission to view his burial site (the Kent Mausoleum then the Royal Burial Ground) as he was going to publish a series on the lives of George V's children. Permission was refused. Apparently the reason given was regarded as not important enough, though they didn't frame it in those words. He got a nice letter of refusal from the Dean of Westminster as well.
That burial ground is sacrosanct even on Frogmore Open Days. They just don't want members of the public tramping through it.
@Blue Clover and
@Curryong thank you for your responses. I can understand why QEII limits visitors to the family burial grounds. The tours would have to follow a planned route that would keep visitors off the actual sites. I wonder if QEII knew that Sarah was visiting and taking/posting a photo of the Duchess of Windsor's grave?
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Quote from: amabel on March 01, 2019, 09:18:18 PM
I think the queen has welcomed her and the others will see her now and again. but clearly Will didn't want her at his wedding..
No the Cambridges' 2011 wedding was about a year after Sarah's taped "Access to Andrew comments" so I seriously doubt that TPTB wanted her there.
Quote from: TLLK on March 10, 2019, 02:46:14 PM
@Blue Clover and @Curryong thank you for your responses. I can understand why QEII limits visitors to the family burial grounds. The tours would have to follow a planned route that would keep visitors off the actual sites. I wonder if QEII knew that Sarah was visiting and taking/posting a photo of the Duchess of Windsor's grave?
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No the Cambridges' 2011 wedding was about a year after Sarah's taped "Access to Andrew comments" so I seriously doubt that TPTB wanted her there.
I thoguth that it was more that William just wasn't that friendly with sarah and did not invite her? I do remember the access to Andy sscandal..
@amabel I'm going to have to review those articles - I don't remeber the details. :teehee: Is that what happened? :eyes:
Quote from: Blue Clover on March 11, 2019, 01:27:47 PM
@amabel I'm going to have to review those articles - I don't remeber the details. :teehee: Is that what happened? :eyes:
I don't remember details. Sorry,I though that Will just didn't invite her because he was'not great friends with her...
I know Fergie was so hurt she went to the media about not being invited.
What did she expect? She wasn't friends with William and at the time, she was in very low esteem with the RF because of selling access to Andy
On this day 19 March
"Last week, lawyers acting for the Duchess of York initiated discussions about a formal separation for the Duke and Duchess.
"These discussions are not yet completed and nothing will be said until they are.
"The Queen hopes that the media will spare the Duke and Duchess of York and their children any intrusion."
Leading to that had of course been those San Tropez toe-sucking photos with Johnny Bryan, which had caused a terrible atmosphere at Balmoral when they appeared in the papers. At round about that time the Squidgy Tapes appeared, causing the whole state of the marriages of both Andrew and Charles's marriages to be laid bare. It was not a happy time for the Queen, that's for sure.
Then there was Camillagate.
As well as squiggygate.
Squidgygate was already mentioned in the thread royal,. Right above mine.
Yes. An example of prurient coverage for a public hungry for scandal. Those were very, very dark times in British tabloid history.
Well the tabloids certainly earned money off of this. Didn't some of them hack into phones of civilians? Horrid.
It seemed they were positively gleeful to publish an expose. But really, she has used very poor judgment at times.
What would possess SF to go abroad with her young children and another man?
@Princess Cassandra, I agree. She had poor judgement at times, in my opinion.
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 27, 2019, 01:53:02 PM
What would possess SF to go abroad with her young children and another man?
@Princess Cassandra, I agree. She had poor judgement at times, in my opinion.
she and Andrew were separated, she regarded herself as free to date other men.. and she took the kids.. Apart from the fooiling around in front of the children, well she was separated from her husband and free to date.
It was more than dating it was her foolishness in posing topless where the paparazzi could get their money shots. And there was a photo of another lover holding one of her young daughters and that was super tacky
Charles is 'fly in ointment' for any Andrew/Fergie remarriage according to this article. First of all, I don't believe they want to remarry anyway. Secondly, if Andrew is virtually put out to pasture in the new reign (due to Charles slimming down the monarchy,) then why should they care about whether he and Camilla like Fergie or not, and I don't believe they do like her, actually.
Prince Charles news: Charles 'fly in ointment' for Fergie and Andrew | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1111409/prince-charles-news-latest-sarah-ferguson-fergie-prince-andrew-relationship-royal-family)
Andrew may well be ninth in succession by the time of the next reign and not have to ask anyone for permission to marry. However, as I said, I don't think they want to remarry. Also, there's no real closeness between William and the Yorks, unlike the assertions in this article, the cash for access debacle aside. Never seen William (or Kate) hanging around with the Yorkies at clubs or social occasions as Harry did, and Harry invited Fergie to his wedding.
I don't think they want to remarry.
Charles is a total hypocrite if this is true.
I don't feel too confident in the veracity of this article. The POW may voice his opinion and the Queen may or may not take his advice. If anyone is the fly in the ointment, wouldn't it be Prince Phillip?
Maybe the author of the article thinks Prince Philip won't last too much longer? Anyway, I don't believe in the article either.
The DOE was very vocal about not expecting to live much longer but is healthier than anyone thought he'd be. He may just surprise everyone! And I do believe he would be the fly in the ointment if Sarah and Andrew wee contemplating re-marriage. (not that I think they are)
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on April 13, 2019, 12:40:04 AM
The DOE was very vocal about not expecting to live much longer but is healthier than anyone thought he'd be. He may just surprise everyone! And I do believe he would be the fly in the ointment if Sarah and Andrew wee contemplating re-marriage. (not that I think they are)
oh I think so. I think that the queen's forgiven Fergie, and tolerates her and is firenldy to her these days. But Philip may forgive but he wotn forget and would never approve of a remarriage. Not that I think Andrew wants a remarriage. Fergie probably does...
Quote from: amabel on April 13, 2019, 05:52:59 AM
oh I think so. I think that the queen's forgiven Fergie, and tolerates her and is firenldy to her these days. But Philip may forgive but he wotn forget and would never approve of a remarriage. Not that I think Andrew wants a remarriage. Fergie probably does...
Most likely the Queen understands that Fergie doesn't do exasperating things that are detrimental to the Royal Family on purpose. The thing is, that is my opinion, and maybe I'm right and maybe I'm wrong. But the DOE would be more practical and know that she is not capable of good judgment and would, unintentionally or no, continue to do damage as time goes on.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on April 13, 2019, 02:27:12 PM
Most likely the Queen understands that Fergie doesn't do exasperating things that are detrimental to the Royal Family on purpose. The thing is, that is my opinion, and maybe I'm right and maybe I'm wrong. But the DOE would be more practical and know that she is not capable of good judgment and would, unintentionally or no, continue to do damage as time goes on.
of course the queen knows Fergie is stupid.... But she is probably more forigivng than he is...?...He'll never never do more than tolerate SF again
It's probably a good time to review exactly what went wrong between Fergie and the Queen, other than toe-gate. I'll have to watch a video or something, there are plenty of them.
Quote from: Blue Clover on April 13, 2019, 03:20:41 PM
It's probably a good time to review exactly what went wrong between Fergie and the Queen, other than toe-gate. I'll have to watch a video or something, there are plenty of them.
there are dozens of things. She was always silly and vulgar and after a fairly short while she became an embarrassment.
She was having an affair wtht Steve Wyatt when she was pregnant, I think.. she then ditched Andrew who is the queens beloved son. He wanted a divorce... Fergie is then caught fooling around iwht Johnny bryan. She was an over spender. She sold Access to Andy when they were divorced..
@amabel Okay, now its all coming back to me - all the awful details. :eyes: :o :no:
And you can totally understand why she is a liability to the RF - she felt remorse and then went on to do more. When the going gets rough she self destructs. She may be more stable now; hopefully she got some good analysis and counseling, but being back in the fold the way some of the media has suggested? No.
She is decidedly not back in the fold.
Agreed. It was fake news by some of the rags, but I don't remember which ones. They came out right after Eugenie's wedding.
Sarah York and Zara Tindall hired by Hong Kong tycoon for 'influence'.
Hong Kong tycoon hires Queen's grandaughter Zara and Duchess of York for 'influence' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/10/hong-kong-tycoon-hires-queens-grandaughter-zara-duchess-york/)
None of the mentioned are being paid to work for the DOC, DOL, SG, Tax Payers...
Patrick Jephson has his say about Fergie and the Hong Kong billionaire and the PR money...
Greedy Del Boy royals and the grave danger of a monarchy for sale, writes PATRICK JEPHSON | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7354003/PATRICK-JEPHSON-dismayed-Sarah-Fergusons-200k-bill-promoting-Hong-Kong-firm.html)
Now that Andrew has been told to step down from duties and charity work it limits his perks and income. Will Sarah continue to hang on or will she finally move on to find a man who can be more of a benefit to her and her extravagant spending habits?
i think fergie has had her boyfriends through the years. so i've read.
from which i've read, she's very much well connected among very rich American, Italian and French people
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Now that Andrew has been told to step down from duties and charity work it limits his perks and income. Will Sarah continue to hang on or will she finally move on to find a man who can be more of a benefit to her and her extravagant spending habits?
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This is an interesting discussion topic.
Honestly I believe that Sarah will ultimately realize that her future is more financially secure with someone else, so I wouldn't be surprised if she moves on. Her overspending and accumulation of debts has been a problem for decades. <_<
As has been said, Fergie has had romances with others over the years. However, no-one seems to have suggested marriage and that Duchess title was still quite useful over in the US. Andrew must have a couple of million or so still in the bank, and a bird in the hand as they say....I think she will stay for the time being and see how things work out for Andrew. It would also be awful image wise for her to drop him like a hot potato within months.
However, if Andrew is still in the wilderness and his income has severely dropped in another twelve months or so, I can see Sarah moving on. He was good for connections to the wealthy with his Royal background. Most of that's in the toilet now.
@ Curryong I tend to agree with you but I can't help but think Sarah is waiting for Prince Philip to pass and try to regain her HRH just to keep wealthy sycophants to fund her.
Yes, that is up in the air and I may be completely wrong. She and Andrew may indeed remarry after Prince Philip's death, and settle down together at Royal Lodge on a much reduced income. However, I'm not so sure that Andrew wants Fergie as a wife again, and for her the disadvantages of being with Andrew in future years may outweigh what have been obvious perks. I do believe that their financial arrangements with each other are probably quite unsavoury and that some defacto form of cash for access has gone on on Fergie's behalf.
However, even sycophants read newspapers and we don't know how many of them would be prepared to help her out with loans etc if all she can offer in return are not contacts with the BRF but instead a disgraced Royal pushed to the peripheries of Royal life. He's still a Prince of course and some may fall for it but I doubt it somehow.
The Queen will not have her son, the mother of her grandchildren living under a bridge. One can make easily a trust fund un breakable for up to all the years and lifetimes. Of course she will, she's a billionaire, once she passes away, just see. My parents did it with the rogue one, slippery hands with rich parents should be grateful about long term future think tanks
I wonder if Andrew received a trust fund from the QM
Quote from: wannable on November 23, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
The Queen will not have her son, the mother of her grandchildren living under a bridge. One can make easily a trust fund un breakable for up to all the years and lifetimes. Of course she will, she's a billionaire, once she passes away, just see. My parents did it with the rogue one, slippery hands with rich parents should be grateful about long term future think tanks
I don?t think so Andrew would get trust funds from his mom the HM Queen Elizabeth II we have wait and see stay tuned
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Quote from: Trudie on November 23, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
I wonder if Andrew received a trust fund from the QM
I don?t think so
Oh she will. She doesn't need to look far, and deliver '"free" ammunition to the media...A pauper Rosarito 2.0 penniless. Never.
Did I say that Andrew would be 'penniless' or in danger of 'living under a bridge'? No, I did not. What I did say is what I believe. That is, that that for most of their relationship Andrew and Fergie have had a good thing going in the way of oligarchs, European and international wealthy celebrities who have wanted, for various reasons to get close to a member of the BRF or better still two members (as Fergie still portrays herself as a Royal.)
A form of payola or cash for access has gone on between these two for years with regard to the wealthy and well connected. Andrew has used the contacts also to get loans for his ex, who knows where the bodies are buried as far as he is concerned. He is fond of his ex but doesn't IMO do it for love but for self-protection.
Most of these oligarchs, celebrities and/or socialites will hardly be lining up to meet a Royal on the outer who can't do much for them. That's what Fergie will be facing, and Andrew to a certain extent though he is still a Prince of course. This is a form of early retirement for him.
Nor is there a guarantee that even if the Queen sets up an extremely generous trust fund for Andrew, (which she would also then have to do for her other two younger children btw,) that he will share that with his ex wife. Both Andrew and Fergie live extremely extravagant lives and live right up to their income. Fergie may well face difficulties in the future is what I'm saying, and the list of generous 'friends' who would want to contribute towards her lifestyle could well dry up in future years.
Nor do I believe that the Queen's private fortune runs into the billions of pounds. Most of her private fortune consists of real estate and other assets that she cannot sell or would be extremely reluctant to sell, artworks, important jewellery etc. And just in case my words are twisted again or taken the wrong way, I am not suggesting that this women is poor. She is a multi millionare, just not a billionaire, AS FAR AS HER PRIVATE FORTUNE IS CONCERNED.
The money hungry Yorks if not spoken clearly by the Queen will slip to be Charles problem. The only way to tie bad investors is by untouchable trust funds. The other children will very likely receive the same amount untied to do as they please....like William and Harry received from their mother's passing away. There are families that have this type of issue, to not leave the rogue one fked, The same equal amount is tied in a TF forever. Years later they appreciate what was done.
I don't think they will remarry but they will stay together. They sadly bring out the worst in each other IMO.. and they have the same greed for money that keeps them slinking off to cosy up to all sorts of undeserabile people if they can fudn them. However Im not sure if there will be much of that in the future..and Sarah may have to settle for a share of whatever Andrew gets from the queen
Fergie may stay single and even if she meets someone she is serious about I doubt she'll remarry. She would lost her "Duchess" title and unless she marries an aristo or another Prince would be Mrs something not Princess or Duchess. she could always live with the person though.
One of her besties spoke with Dan Wootton today via his radio show, allegedly they are partners in all but officially in paper.
Well, time will tell. They are no doubt fond of each other and have a lot of history together. However, up until this week it has always been part of Fergie's mantra to keep repeating how close she and Andrew are, and she may well tell her friends the same thing and act close in front of them. It has worked to her advantage, commercially and otherwise. However that does not jibe with a source who knows them both well and several years ago stated that Fergie makes herself scarce when Andrew brings women to Royal Lodge.
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Have just seen that it's Lizzie Cundy who is Fergie's self proclaimed 'best friend'. The plastic faced Queen of the WAGS, who is besties with everyone, it seems. Well, that says it all, and Dan Wooton's gossip radio show is the ideal millieu for her!
So much to say.
Good points by all.
Andrew is over and out. There is no coming back from this kind of scandal.
This is not funny, fun like Kate?s dress , butt showing or Meghans mishaps.
Maybe the Queen won't want Sarah to remarry Andrew considering the way she allegedly supported Andrew's interview.
Quote from: sandy on November 24, 2019, 11:48:38 PM
Maybe the Queen won't want Sarah to remarry Andrew considering the way she allegedly supported Andrew's interview.
Since it appears the queen also supported the interview I hardly think she can complain about Sarah..
The Queen is known to change her mind. She did not entirely welcome Sarah back other than the wedding I recall she appeared with the Queen only one other time in the last year and a half. A lot of things changed since that interview. I think the Queen would have continued to support Andrew and fight for him had he not done that interview. That was a huge game changer.
but she permitted the interview. and it was what has really killed Andrew's working career. Had he ket his mouth shut and concentrated on his charity work.. and not opened his mouth he might have gotten away wthi things. But he showed himself to be someone who was completely selfish and arrogant.. who did not regret his association with Epstein because it made him money and got him girls.. and He showed he had no feeling for the girls who were sex trafficked. By allowing that interview the queen has also shown a tin ear for PR and Im sorry to say a lack of sympathy. So she cant' exactly blame Fergie...
I keep wondering why he did not remarry. (not to Fergie). There were rumors that he would settle down and have a "second family."
Quote from: sandy on November 25, 2019, 12:09:30 AM
I keep wondering why he did not remarry. (not to Fergie). There were rumors that he would settle down and have a "second family."
I think it is obvious why he didn't remarry....
Quote from: Trudie on November 23, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
I wonder if Andrew received a trust fund from the QM
If Prince Andrew did receive a trust fund, would this be public knowledge?
Quote from: sandy on November 24, 2019, 12:13:14 AM
Fergie may stay single and even if she meets someone she is serious about I doubt she'll remarry. She would lost her "Duchess" title and unless she marries an aristo or another Prince would be Mrs something not Princess or Duchess. she could always live with the person though.
I doubt if anyone's going to marry her... She had some clout when she was Andrew's ex wife...and he was a working royal with very rich friends. She sold access to him.. and he helped her with her money problems by arranging for Epstein to give her a loan. Now both of them are tainted and probably even dubious oligarchs wont bother with them.. so they may join up together and make the best of whatever Andy gets from the queen and what he has already salted away...
Quote from: amabel on November 23, 2019, 10:13:50 PM
I don't think they will remarry but they will stay together. They sadly bring out the worst in each other IMO.. and they have the same greed for money that keeps them slinking off to cosy up to all sorts of undeserabile people if they can fudn them. However Im not sure if there will be much of that in the future..and Sarah may have to settle for a share of whatever Andrew gets from the queen
I don't think Sarah would fit in with a quiet life with him. He loves golf and some other activities, but she seems to thrive in a jet-set milieu. I do think she loves him but would not be happy to ?settle down? in straightened finances.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on November 26, 2019, 03:04:53 AM
I don't think Sarah would fit in with a quiet life with him. He loves golf and some other activities, but she seems to thrive in a jet-set milieu. I do think she loves him but would not be happy to ?settle down? in straightened finances.
but who is going to fund it? If Andrew is not that high ranking as a royal.. she can't sell access to him. He may find that he too is not going to be able to do dubious deals with corrupt dictators because he no longer has the status in the RF or access to other businessmen. The queen will help them out, they wotn go short.. and it may be the best deal that Sarah can get...
I don't think Andrew will ever be "poor."
Of course not, even if he (or Fergie) had blown the money, past tense, the Queen nor Charles will have a Rosarito 2.0 situation (worst, the media will be sneering at it, like they do to MM because her dad lives in a dirt road poorly area in the frontier of the USA, the BRF doesn't need more frontpage bad news), they will be provided, the best way is tying the money with a trust fund, that is the exact amount of money per month/year, rather than blowing it all until the account is empty.
Where ? Yes because where else can she go?
He will always have Royal Lodge to live at until he dies, plus St.James Place plus their private place in Verbier, Swiss.
I think they will stay together because frankly, they are or have become so unpleasant (for the record I don't tink Andy was as bad as this years ago).. that only equally unpleasant peole will want to be with them. Sarah has nevr found anyone else to take her on. Andrew has remained close to her out of loyalty and because it suited him to be a bachelor and free to fool around as much as he liked.. - and I think they will always be a couple in that sense. But I don't know where they are going to lvie or what they're going to do. Charities wont want Andrew now. And he can't go on with the "deal making" and "influence" stuff, because that's what got him into trouble. So I don't know what he's going to do with the rest of his life.. I don't really think that charities will want him even in a few years time. And if he did offer himslf to some charity, it would look like "tryng to win his way back to acceptability" rather than genuine good heartedness. Everyting he does now is tainted.
Quote from: amabel on November 26, 2019, 09:11:21 AM
but who is going to fund it? If Andrew is not that high ranking as a royal.. she can't sell access to him. He may find that he too is not going to be able to do dubious deals with corrupt dictators because he no longer has the status in the RF or access to other businessmen. The queen will help them out, they wotn go short.. and it may be the best deal that Sarah can get...
Exactly. She may or may not stick with him if he can?t provide the kind of life she wants. Of course the Queen will not leave him short, but certainly will not provide a jet set life.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on November 27, 2019, 08:03:43 PM
Exactly. She may or may not stick with him if he can?t provide the kind of life she wants. Of course the Queen will not leave him short, but certainly will not provide a jet set life.
I agree - I do not think Andrew was this bad years ago. And I really really think Sarah is a big part of the whole Epstein thing. I think she introduced Andrew to Epstein for money & influence. As long as Andrew/Epstein continued their partnership Sarah continued getting money & other perks. Of course, it worked out for Andrew too.
It rather bothers me that Sarah's part in all of this is under the radar. At a minimum she should be questioned by the FBI as well.
As far as I know, he said that his friendship came about because he was friends with Ghislaine Maxwell.. but I think that Sarah's extravagance did lead him to dubious ways.. because she always needed money....and he then became greedy himself....
Quote from: DaFluffs on December 01, 2019, 05:07:06 PM
I agree - I do not think Andrew was this bad years ago. And I really really think Sarah is a big part of the whole Epstein thing. I think she introduced Andrew to Epstein for money & influence. As long as Andrew/Epstein continued their partnership Sarah continued getting money & other perks. Of course, it worked out for Andrew too.
It rather bothers me that Sarah's part in all of this is under the radar. At a minimum she should be questioned by the FBI as well.
I think Sarah and Andrew got into this mess together, so maybe they can move on from public life together. He will most definitely need the support and they will always have an income from the Queen. It makes sense that they will stick together now.
Or she might drop him.. problaby not.. I think she's genuinely cares for him..but of course he has also been her support and selllng access to him, made her money...
Quote from: amabel on December 01, 2019, 05:19:28 PM
Or she might drop him.. problaby not.. I think she's genuinely cares for him..but of course he has also been her support and selllng access to him, made her money...
I think she would love to stay with him on a permanent basis, but her penchant for the high life, which includes charitable work (which is VERY expensive) would probably lead to a lot of drama and disaster. He will not be given huge amounts of funding IMO.
I think the problems they had would only resurface if they get engaged or remarry.
The biggest problem they had/have he likes money and she loves spending it
Years ago Sarah had a speaking engagement in Erie, Pennsylvania. If she and Andrew were remarried, would Prince Andrew want to accompany her to a city like Erie?
I think that Andrew will always be very wealthy, no matter what he does. Fergie will stick by him as long as he continues to help her out financially - which will probably be forever.
Quote from: Blue Clover on December 02, 2019, 11:55:10 PM
I think that Andrew will always be very wealthy, no matter what he does. Fergie will stick by him as long as he continues to help her out financially - which will probably be forever.
Yes, I agree, but there are different levels of wealth. Sarah already wasted a tremendous amount of money. I hope she has learned her lesson and can show self control. Meanwhile, after the way Andrew forgave and rescued her she would be pretty awful not to show allegiance to him now.
Quote from: Princess Cassandra on December 09, 2019, 07:27:14 PM
Yes, I agree, but there are different levels of wealth. Sarah already wasted a tremendous amount of money. I hope she has learned her lesson and can show self control. Meanwhile, after the way Andrew forgave and rescued her she would be pretty awful not to show allegiance to him now.
I think she has to. whatever Andrew's faults and they are huge.. he ahs been loyal to her.. and she has had help from him. and with her beign tainted by this scandal as well, I don't think she will find many oter helpers..
Exclusive: Vogue Arabia in Conversation with Sarah, Duchess of York (https://en.vogue.me/culture/sarah-duchess-of-york-interview/)
QuoteEvery morning, Sarah, Duchess of York, recites Rudyard Kipling?s poem ?If?. It?s become somewhat of a mantra to help her get through the day, which still includes media scrutiny: about her looks, her relationship with her former husband, Prince Andrew, Duke of York, and, more recently, about the latter?s association with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who died in his jail cell in August. ?It?s incredibly difficult,? she says with a blunt honesty that makes her thoroughly endearing; she has nothing to hide. She?s been through it all already. She?s a survivor. In fact, despite her achievements ? author (most notably the children?s book series Budgie the Little Helicopter); film producer (The Young Victoria in 2009), charity patron, and entrepreneur (she has her own lifestyle line, Sarah Senses) ? the duchess perpetually falls victim to tabloid fodder. ?Beatrice [her elder daughter] always says that I?m the most misunderstood person,? she says solemnly, ?I agree.?
The royal, who recently turned 60, is in some way the predecessor to today?s Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Ever since she married Prince Andrew in 1986, her life has been under the microscope. Every move made, every word spoken, and every kilogram gained was twisted into a salacious headline. ?I know what Meghan is going through,? she confides.
I'm sorry, but it's always the same old, same old with Sarah interviews, Me, Me with a few tributes to Andrew, that so wonderful human being, and her and Andrew's familial skills thrown in. The self help handbook of Fergie. The trouble is this woman is so self absorbed that she never really learns from any of her mistakes. I just wish she'd go away, at least for a while, and shut up!
I agree with Curryong Sarah will talk to say, Oprah and owning many mistakes but going out and doing the same again and again.
honestly what do you expect? She'll never change. And now with the Epstein scandal I suppose she feels she has to say something to divert attention from her part in it and to defend Andrew...
It's different with Meghan. She was criticized in some circles from the first moment she was seen with Harry. Sarah Ferguson was the media darling early on--supposedly having a lot in common with the Queen (she was seen riding with her), fun loving, and a "breath of fresh air." Fergie messed up big time and erased any of the media good will. Fergie needs to keep quiet and not push herself to the media, it's as if she's trying to get attention directed to herself because of Andrew's problems. And using the scandal to get the media to pay attention to Her. Not a good thing.
The 'history' of the Andrew and Sarah mistakes (and snowballing) should be a lesson to all the royals. The greed for position, money and what else is a guide to what not to do. From selling, buying, accepting.
Sarah Ferguson Speaks out About Prince Andrew Amid Scandal | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/sarah-ferguson-speaks-out-about-prince-andrew/)
Sarah Ferguson dismisses Prince Andrew scandal as 'nonsense' saying it is 'incredible what he has done for Britain' (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/12/sarah-ferguson-dismisses-prince-andrew-scandal-nonsense-saying/)
Paid back that loan to Epstein's estate yet, have you Fergie? She'll be suggesting a statue to that benefactor of humankind Andrew be put up at Royal Lodge next. And what with talking herself up constantly in interviews, her head must be either perpetually up her own posterior or in some alternate universe the rest of us can't recognise. What a self-obsessed idiot she is! And her 'girls' of 29+ in age have her to thank for at least half the bad publicity they've received in the media over the years.
Fergie is stepping down from her 'directorship' of the Chinese-backed West End firm she was tangled up in, the one that lent her ?90,000. She has accepted a 'global ambassador' role instead, her boss announced. God knows what her salary will be! Do people see this woman coming and automatically get out their cheque books? Or are they so deluded that they think she can influence people? Perhaps Andrew can get on the board as well. This is just a complete joke!
Duchess of York steps down as director of troubled Chinese-backed West End firm | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7860753/Duchess-York-steps-director-troubled-Chinese-backed-West-End-firm.html)
By the way, in a recent interview she was burbling about how the mountains around Verbier give her 'inspiration and peace'. And people actually pay her. and lend her money, to hear this sort of psycho babble in their boardrooms!
She's not such a good influence IMO
Quote from: Curryong on January 07, 2020, 10:18:23 PM
Fergie is stepping down from her 'directorship' of the Chinese-backed West End firm she was tangled up in, the one that lent her ?90,000. She has accepted a 'global ambassador' role instead, her boss announced. God knows what her salary will be! Do people see this woman coming and automatically get out their cheque books? Or are they so deluded that they think she can influence people? Perhaps Andrew can get on the board as well. This is just a complete joke!
Duchess of York steps down as director of troubled Chinese-backed West End firm | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7860753/Duchess-York-steps-director-troubled-Chinese-backed-West-End-firm.html)
By the way, in a recent interview she was burbling about how the mountains around Verbier give her 'inspiration and peace'. And people actually pay her. and lend her money, to hear this sort of psycho babble in their boardrooms!
I have to say that's pretty typical for Sarah. One of my favorites was about her trip to Thailand when she was not invited to the Cambridges' wedding.
QuoteI was not invited, and I chose to go and be in Thailand in a place called Camelia and ? the jungle embraced me,?
I recall she went on some talk shows and publicly complained about not being invited to that wedding.
What I can't understand is how she keeps getting these opportunities with business firms backing, plus loans from individuals and businesses. It's not for her charm and good looks, and now access has been cut off from the Royal Andy I wouldn't have thought she has too much left to offer.
If I went round to my work colleagues at the Community Centre where I'm still employed part time (have been mostly retired for several years) and regularly borrowed a 20 dollar here and a 50 dollar there, often without paying it back, I'd soon be wearing out my welcome. And the same with them.
Yet on Fergie goes, getting lifestyle loans from the wealthy and opportunities to schmooze at cocktail parties etc without anything else required. It's one of life's mysteries!
@Curryong-I believe that the majority of these opportunities were all linked to Andrew, though she seems to "attract" attention just for being herself and I guess for some that is enough to hire her.
Quote from: Curryong on January 08, 2020, 01:08:55 AM
What I can't understand is how she keeps getting these opportunities with business firms backing, plus loans from individuals and businesses. It's not for her charm and good looks, and now access has been cut off from the Royal Andy I wouldn't have thought she has too much left to offer.
If I went round to my work colleagues at the Community Centre where I'm still employed part time (have been mostly retired for several years) and regularly borrowed a 20 dollar here and a 50 dollar there, often without paying it back, I'd soon be wearing out my welcome. And the same with them.
Yet on Fergie goes, getting lifestyle loans from the wealthy and opportunities to schmooze at cocktail parties etc without anything else required. It's one of life's mysteries!
Perhaps she is clever and even has appeal as a controversial person, thus providing value added to those who hire her? I don't know and have often wondered about this myself, Curryong.
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Quote from: sandy on January 08, 2020, 12:35:39 AM
She's not such a good influence IMO
I agree.
Sarah clever? I don't think so. She has a brass neck and keeps on pushing herself out there when many people would hide away, I think Andrew has something of the same shameless arrogance.
I don't think either of them are very clever. But Sarah rah and their daughters certainly do care for him.
Sarah, Duchess of York signs seven-book deal with Australian publisher ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/sarah-duchess-of-york-signs-seven-book-deal-with-australian-publisher-137496/)
QuoteSarah, Duchess of York has signed a seven-book deal with Australian publisher Serenity Press.
Serenity Press publisher Karen Mc Dermott said she was ?delighted? to welcome the royal to the company.
?We are delighted to welcome the Duchess to our press,? she said in a statement released on Wednesday.
What will she write about? Seven book deal! Sounds excessive to me.
Sarah has written 25 books over the years including two children's series.
Here's a list of the books that she's authored over the decades so Serenity Press must believe that she's worth signing.
https://www.thriftbooks.com/a/sarah-ferguson/235372/
Her autobiography got the most attention.
Yes it did so it would appear that Serenity believes that she's worth signing to a seven book deal.
wasn't she accused of ripping off the Budgie books from another writer?
Hector the Helicopter:
Budgie the Little Helicopter - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgie_the_Little_Helicopter)
Quote from: TLLK on February 12, 2020, 06:20:26 PM
Yes it did so it would appear that Serenity believes that she's worth signing to a seven book deal.
People will buy the books I suppose.. they're not goig to do it for love...
Quote from: sandy on February 12, 2020, 06:21:53 PM
wasn't she accused of ripping off the Budgie books from another writer?
Hector the Helicopter:
Budgie the Little Helicopter - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgie_the_Little_Helicopter)
According to the wikipedia article that you shared sandy she was accused by the media of copying it and she denied it. It would appear that the publishers for Hector the Helicopter were not making any accusations though.
QuoteOn release of the first book, the Duchess was accused by the media of copying the idea for the series from an out-of-print 1960 book Hector the Helicopter, by A.W. Baldwin, which she denied.[6]
Quote from: TLLK on February 12, 2020, 07:22:00 PM
According to the wikipedia article that you shared sandy she was accused by the media of copying it and she denied it. It would appear that the publishers for Hector the Helicopter were not making any accusations though.
PRIncess Michael was accused of plagiarism too, but it is very diffciult to prove...
I think other than the Autobiography her books were not exactly "smash hits." She is no John Grisham.
Well taking into consideration that John Grisham writes legal thrillers and Sarah is best known for her children's books/autobiography they are not looking at the same audience.
Quote from: sandy on February 12, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
I think other than the Autobiography her books were not exactly "smash hits." She is no John Grisham.
I presume they sold or this publisher wouldn't be offering her a deal
Quote from: TLLK on February 12, 2020, 09:05:32 PM
Well taking into consideration that John Grisham writes legal thrillers and Sarah is best known for her children's books/autobiography they are not looking at the same audience.
Then she's no Dr. Seuss.
Quote from: sandy on February 13, 2020, 02:15:16 AM
Then she's no Dr. Seuss.
her books will sell. Publishers don't offer deals to someone (esp someone whoi is not primarily a writer) if they don't think that their name will sell the book.
Her childrens books do not make best seller lists. I think she got more mileage out of self help books and books about her life.
Quote from: QueenAlex on February 13, 2020, 08:43:49 AM
her books will sell. Publishers don't offer deals to someone (esp someone whoi is not primarily a writer) if they don't think that their name will sell the book.
She's authored 25 books to date, so Serenity press believes that she'll continue to sell in 2020 and beyond.
A person can author 100 books that don't make the best seller list. the one that sold "big" was her autobiography. The NY Times does not include Sarah's books in its articles on childrens books.
Quote from: sandy on February 13, 2020, 02:57:53 PM
A person can author 100 books that don't make the best seller list. the one that sold "big" was her autobiography. The NY Times does not include Sarah's books in its articles on childrens books.
so? Lots of people sell books that don't make the best seller list. THey can still make a decent living out of them....
Sarah does not have to make money writing books, if she had to rely on them she'd starve IMO, she spent and spends money like water. If they were so lucrative she would not have had to pull some of her outrageous stunts.
Quote from: sandy on February 13, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
Sarah does not have to make money writing books, if she had to rely on them she'd starve IMO, she spent and spends money like water. If they were so lucrative she would not have had to pull some of her outrageous stunts.
so why do publishers give her contracts? Obviously she makes money for them or they woudlnt do it...
Ask them. She needs to keep her day job she does not make much money from these books except the autobiography and she apparently squandered the royalties from that. She is famous for being famous. And the ex of a royal.
The timing is odd because a lot of people are put off by Andrew and by her public statements about him.
Quote from: sandy on February 13, 2020, 05:08:45 PM
Ask them. She needs to keep her day job she does not make much money from these books except the autobiography and she apparently squandered the royalties from that. She is famous for being famous. And the ex of a royal.
The timing is odd because a lot of people are put off by Andrew and by her public statements about him.
They are doing it because they reckon they can sell the books. Fergie is indeed famous for being famous but she has managed to make a career out of it.. And publishers recknon that the public wil buy her books. THey don't give her a 7 book deal to make a loss
Quote from: QueenAlex on February 13, 2020, 05:15:30 PM
They are doing it because they reckon they can sell the books. Fergie is indeed famous for being famous but she has managed to make a career out of it.. And publishers recknon that the public wil buy her books. THey don't give her a 7 book deal to make a loss
Fergie's big sellers among the books she's had published so far have been to do with her Royal life and position with the Windsors in one form or another, her autobiography for instance. She was believed to have made around 2 million dollars from them. However she had enormous debts and within a very few years that money was gone. The Budgie the Helicopter series crashed and burned in the US market.
This new book deal seems to be children's books for the Australian and NZ markets only. It's a crowded market out here and few authors make a really decent living.
Sarah, Duchess of York Lands Seven Book Deal For Children's Stories | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/article/sarah-duchess-of-york-new-book-deal-for-childrens-books)
Quote from: QueenAlex on February 13, 2020, 05:15:30 PM
They are doing it because they reckon they can sell the books. Fergie is indeed famous for being famous but she has managed to make a career out of it.. And publishers recknon that the public wil buy her books. THey don't give her a 7 book deal to make a loss
Sometimes publishers can cancel these "deals."
Quote from: QueenAlex on February 13, 2020, 05:15:30 PM
They are doing it because they reckon they can sell the books. Fergie is indeed famous for being famous but she has managed to make a career out of it.. And publishers recknon that the public wil buy her books. THey don't give her a 7 book deal to make a loss
Quite true and Serenity press is willing to take that chance.
It will all fall apart if the first book is a tribute to Prince Andrew.
Based upon the article it appears it will be a series of books for young people.
Sarah, Duchess of York signs seven-book deal with Australian publisher ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/sarah-duchess-of-york-signs-seven-book-deal-with-australian-publisher-137496/)
Quote?Her beautiful books are aligned with our core value of sharing nurturing stories that empower young minds.
?We cannot wait to bring these books into readers? hands.?
Quote from: sandy on February 13, 2020, 11:50:05 PM
Sometimes publishers can cancel these "deals."
Do you realy think they are going to give her a deal and cancel it? Why? THey think she'll make money for them, and for herself. They aren't a charity, they are a business and they work to make money. sarah's name wil sell books, and she'll probably do ok with them.
I know some editors at Publishing Houses and yes indeed, deals can be canceled.
Quote from: sandy on February 14, 2020, 01:24:10 PM
I know some editors at Publishing Houses and yes indeed, deals can be canceled.
why does it matter? Fergie writes books, she has had several published and while they might nto be best sellers, they presumably did well enough for them to keep offering her deals. If they cancel they cancel... if they don't, Fergie writes a few books and make some money and so do the publishers. Can't understand why it matters. We know she's not Jane Austen.... and her work sells because of who she is...
Do you think that Sarah might write children's fairy tales set in the Victorian era?
Quote from: sandy on February 12, 2020, 06:00:22 PM
Her autobiography got the most attention.
I didn't read her autobiography, but I think she must like writing, because she started writing children's books when her marriage was still new. I doubt she needed the money at that time, so I conclude she just liked writing. I didn't think very much about the books that I read, but that's just me.
HEr "confessions" caused a feud with Diana. Fergie said she borrowed DIana's shoes and got plantar wart on her feet. I recall she made some other indiscreet comments. I think she likes making money. she got a lot of money from "her true story" but apparently squandered it. I remember People Magazine had a story "Class Versus Cash." Praising DIana's charity work as class and Fergie plugging her book as cash.
Quote from: sandy on February 16, 2020, 09:45:09 PM
HEr "confessions" caused a feud with Diana. Fergie said she borrowed DIana's shoes and got plantar wart on her feet. I recall she made some other indiscreet comments. I think she likes making money. she got a lot of money from "her true story" but apparently squandered it. I remember People Magazine had a story "Class Versus Cash." Praising DIana's charity work as class and Fergie plugging her book as cash.
yes,Fergie likes to write, and her books sell. THey sell because of who she is.. that's the way it is.
:shrug:
Quote from: sandy on February 16, 2020, 09:45:09 PM
HEr "confessions" caused a feud with Diana. Fergie said she borrowed DIana's shoes and got plantar wart on her feet. I recall she made some other indiscreet comments. I think she likes making money. she got a lot of money from "her true story" but apparently squandered it. I remember People Magazine had a story "Class Versus Cash." Praising DIana's charity work as class and Fergie plugging her book as cash.
While it was unfortunate that the plantar wart story was revealed, it was part of the reason that her book sold in the first place. Readers wanted some personal details about Sarah's relationship with members of the BRF.
Serenity press believes that books by Sarah Ferguson will sell to an audience so they can offered her a seven book deal.
I read the book and I know I did not buy it to read about plantar warts on Fergie's feet. LOL.
If Serenity thinks that way it is their choice.
Quote from: sandy on February 17, 2020, 02:54:29 PM
I read the book and I know I did not buy it to read about plantar warts on Fergie's feet. LOL.
If Serenity thinks that way it is their choice.
yes its their choice. They do it because they expect to make money off it. Noone is forced to read her books, and if they want to buy them that's tehir choice.
QueenAlex-Yes and if one of the seven books is about Sarah's relationship with Diana or QEII or (name your BRF member) than likely it will attract attention and prospective buyers.
Quote from: TLLK on February 17, 2020, 03:30:02 PM
QueenAlex-Yes and if one of the seven books is about Sarah's relationship with Diana or QEII or (name your BRF member) than likely it will attract attention and prospective buyers.
I thought they were children's books?
I believe that some of them will be children's books but IMHO I wouldn't put it past Sarah to agree to a "My Memories of Diana" to close a deal.
Quote from: TLLK on February 17, 2020, 04:14:44 PM
I believe that some of them will be children's books but IMHO I wouldn't put it past Sarah to agree to a "My Memories of Diana" to close a deal.
I suppose but if the deal is children's... and she has probably said all that she can say about Diana. I should think hat she's debarred frm talking too freely about the RF..
^^^While I agree that she should be done talking about Diana, I am not sure it would be possible to stop her. :(
Quote from: TLLK on February 17, 2020, 04:39:27 PM
^^^While I agree that she should be done talking about Diana, I am not sure it would be possible to stop her. :(
True but all the same, she may not have much more to say. And I suspect that seh's not allowed to talk abuot the RF or Andrew, due to her divorce settlement. So Diana is the only one she can talk about.
I agree that any of QEII's deceased relatives (QEQM/Princess Margaret) are off limits and that the current members are verboten. :thumbsup: N
Quote from: TLLK on February 17, 2020, 07:54:47 PM
I agree that any of QEII's deceased relatives (QEQM/Princess Margaret) are off limits and that the current members are verboten. :thumbsup: N
Oh Im sure the queen got that into the divorce settlement..
It will be children's books that Sarah will be producing, for the Oz and NZ markets. Apparently that publishing firm specialises in the those. In the link I posted when this first came up there was a cover illustration of the first, with a smiling old tree and 'The Enchanted Tree' in the title.
I doubt very very much that Fergie will be publishing any more about the RF. Her visits to the Queen have been brief since the divorce, I doubt she knows too much about Charles and Camilla, and has admitted that she hasn't met Kate (or Meghan) or had much to do with William and Harry since they were children.
Prince Philip can't stand her and I doubt she would be crass enough to write any critical book about him after his death. So what's left? An admiring book on Andrew and her 'girlies'? That would go down really well in the current climate!
The publishers blurb in the link said they were excited about this first book coming out later this year, so apparently Sarah had one or two books written already to go and spruiked them to the publishers who agreed to a deal.
As I said before, I wish her luck with these books, but the children's book market is flooded over here and they will presumably wait to see a success in this market before making any agreement with UK publishers for publication there. Her Budgie books etc went down like a lead balloon in the US though her books on the royals and her autobiography sold. But as I said that is all really old news.
Prince Andrew wasn't allowed to represent the Queen at courtier's memorial service | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8093539/Prince-Andrew-wasnt-allowed-represent-Queen-courtiers-memorial-service.html)
...so many ramifications. It must really be sinking in now.
I guess even the Queen realizes she can only do so much.
Sarah, Duchess of York believes that she may be the "most persecuted" woman in the history of the the British Royal Family. Hmmm...I don't know about that as I believe that for example the Duchess of Windsor would like to have a little chat with her. :unsure: And if we were going back to the English Royals, then there are quite a number of women in line ahead of her and might object to her claiming that dubious title. :catfight:
Sarah Ferguson Says She's 'the Most Persecuted Woman' in Royal History (https://www.insider.com/sarah-ferguson-says-most-persecuted-woman-royal-history-2021-12)
Quote"In my blood, there's resilience," Ferguson told Madame Figaro. "I may have been the most persecuted woman in the history of the royal family, but I'm still here."
"I always believed anything was possible," she said.
She feels a connection with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex too having had a similar experience with the press.
QuoteIt's not the first time that the Duchess of York addressed her experience living as a royal in the public eye. In 2019, she told Vogue Arabia that she personally related to the Duchess of Sussex's portrayal in the media, The Times of London reported.
"I have been in Meghan's shoes, and I still am," she said. "I abhor bullying and I feel desperately sorry for the pain they must be going through because I've been through it."
And she still loves her former husband the embattled Duke of York.
QuoteAddressing Andrew in the Madame Figaro interview, Ferguson said: "I loved him and I still love him today."
"I stay by his side. Because I believe in him," she added. "He is a good man."
Ehem.
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:clap: Those pictures says it all......Thanks a million :yesss:
Quote from: Macrobug67 on December 09, 2021, 01:52:00 AM
Ehem.
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@Macrobug67
Sarah Ferguson puts on an animated display to discuss her book in Italy | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10309527/Sarah-Ferguson-puts-animated-display-stylish-cape-discuss-book-Italian-TV.html)
QuoteSarah Ferguson made her son-in-law Edo Mapelli Mozzi proud as she is led a charm offensive in Italy tonight.
The Duchess of York, 62, who is commonly known as Fergie and still lives with her ex-husband Prince Andrew on the Royal Lodge in Windsor, dazzled as she shared an animated discussion with Italian presenter Bruno Vespa during his show Porta a Porta on Rai 1.
For the interview, which will air at 10.30 GMT tonight on the Italian Channel tonight, the mother-of-two opted for a glamourous beige cape dressed and a glossy hairdo.
Fergie's romance novel, Her Heart for a Compass, is being published in Italy under the translated title of La Bussola del cuore.
She later changed into a stylish burgundy coat and headed to the Museo Ninfeo to further promote the novel.
This is a shame because if she entertained or educated one child, then it was worth it to me. :(
Duchess of York reveals she is pausing her children's book series Fergie and Friends | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10387305/Duchess-York-reveals-pausing-childrens-book-series-Fergie-Friends.html)
QuoteThe Duchess of York has announced she is taking a break from her YouTube series Storytime with Fergie and Friends.
Sarah Ferguson, 62, who is commonly known as Fergie, revealed she will temporarily stop posting daily videos on her YouTube channel - which she started in lockdown.
The mother-of-two started the channel in April 2020 in order to keep children entertained at home.
In an Instagram story shared yesterday, Fergie reassured her fans that this break is only temporary, and that they will soon be updated when the show resumes.
'Storytime with Fergie and Friends will be taking a further break. We will update you soon on a return date,' read a post shared on the mother of Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie's Instagram.
Here's one of Sarah's YouTube videos.
Sarah Ferguson reading Baby On The Way by Hannah Davison, Marco Palmieri and Flicka Williams - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U5xHlmy5M0)
Originally posted by
@sara8150.
Sarah Ferguson 'regrouping' with Beatrice and Eugenie as Andrew faces trial | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1549846/sarah-ferguson-prince-andrew-lawsuit-civil-sex-case-princess-beatrice-princess-eugenie)
Sarah Ferguson will keep Duchess of York title despite Prince Andrew being cast out of Royal Family | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10404381/Sarah-Ferguson-Duchess-York-title-despite-Prince-Andrew-cast-Royal-Family.html)
Sarah Ferguson 'to remain Duchess of York' even after Prince Andrew was stripped of HRH title and honours by Queen (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17330849/fergie-vows-to-keep-duchess-of-york-title/)
Sarah Ferguson could become a PRINCESS if Andrew's Dukedom is revoked | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1550468/Sarah-Ferguson-duchess-of-york-royal-titles-Prince-Andrew-scandal)
Quote from: sara8150 on January 15, 2022, 04:04:41 PM
Sarah Ferguson could become a PRINCESS if Andrew's Dukedom is revoked | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1550468/Sarah-Ferguson-duchess-of-york-royal-titles-Prince-Andrew-scandal)
The article mentioned more than one source close to Sarah. However, there is never an exact mention of who any of the sources are.
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The way that I understand it, the title of a "Royal Duchess" outranks that of a "princess." If the Duke of York should lose his title and return to the one he was born to-Prince Andrew, then Sarah would be known as "Sarah, Princess Andrew. " A title which is not as highly regarded as her former one "Duchess of York."
Princess Michael of Kent is a "princess" but according to British royal protocol she is "ranked" lower than the four royal duchesses: Camilla, Catherine,Katherine, Brigitta as well as the royal countess-Sophie. Of course she's also behind the women born to the title: Alexandra, Anne, Beatrice, Eugenie and Charlotte. (Possibly Louise too.)
The Real Reason Sarah and Prince Andrew got divorced
The Real Reason Prince Andrew And Sarah Ferguson Got Divorced - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8BiJMZWlf0)
Sarah, Duchess of York travels to Poland after arranging donations for refugees ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/sarah-duchess-of-york-travels-to-poland-after-arranging-donations-for-refugees-174120/)
QuoteAfter more than a million Ukrainian refugees have been taken in by Poland, Sarah, Duchess of York, has travelled to the country to organise help during the ?heartbreaking? situation.
Ferguson posted a series of photos on social media on 17 and 18 March detailing her visit to Poland and the work her charity Sarah?s Trust is doing to help refugees from Ukraine.
?The invasion of Ukraine is heartbreaking to watch,? she posted. ?So many families are being separated and displaced.?
Ferguson was met by Warsaw?s mayor Rafal Trzaskowski and spoke with Ukrainian families who had crossed the border to safety.
Sarah Ferguson makes announcement after Princess Eugenie's move to Portugal is confirmed | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220601141775/sarah-ferguson-pauses-storytime-fergie-and-friends-jubilee/)
Is Sarah now the spokesperson for her daughter? Isn't her daughter of age where she can do this herself now? Sarah seems to want the lime light in regards to all that her daughters do which shows me how insecure she is in wanting to be out there in front. Time she retires and goes home and knits baby blankets and booties and learns to be *quiet*.
https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1550079723266506753?cxt=HHwWgoCw7fXS_oIrAAAA
QuotePrincess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie & Duchess Sarah official opened the new Cancer ward of @uclh
University College London Hospitals earlier this month.
The 3 are joint patrons of @TeenageCancer
. Sarah became patron in 1990, with her daughters joining on in 2016.
A London house, an expensive mews house in Mayfair, has been purchased from the Duke of Westminster?s estate. The Westminsters are good friends of the BRF.
It?s said to be in Sarah?s name, and as an investment for her and Andrew?s daughters. God knows where this money is coming from though, considering Sarah and Andrew are supposedly hard-up. Another loan from a wealthy friend?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/194118...prince-andrew/
who says they are hard up?
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 04, 2022, 08:23:20 AM
who says they are hard up?
Sarah Ferguson buys ?5m home in London's high-end Mayfair... despite gripes about her financial woes | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11078949/Sarah-Ferguson-buys-5m-home-Londons-high-end-Mayfair-despite-gripes-financial-woes.html)
Have you not read about the women who owned the Swiss chateau threatening to sue Andrew and Sarah a couple of years back about over the millions they owed her when they were supposed to have completed the purchase? That chalet has now been sold but not at a profit.
The West Australian (https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/royal-family/prince-andrew-sells-swiss-chalet-to-settle-legal-dispute-over-property-ng-b882021497z)
Then there was the millions Andrew owed Virginia G when he agreed to pay out her civil suit against him, including a large donation to her sex victims charity.. He had to be loaned some of that money by the Queen and Charles. That was only months ago.
Who's Paying Prince Andrew's Settlement to Virginia Giuffre? | Time (https://time.com/6149123/prince-andrew-settlement-virginia-giuffre-royal-finances/)
Either Fergie has made a gigantic profit on her YouTube channel where she reads books to children or Andrew has made a killing on the Stockmarket in the last six months. Both are possible but not very likely. Andrew no longer gets any money from the Sovereign Grant (only an allowance from his mother via the Duchy of Lancaster) and Fergie gets nothing except what she earns from this and that. She?s existed on loans from others for years according to reports.
Prince Andrew's net worth: What we know about how wealthy Duke is as he reaches Virginia Giuffre settlement - inews.co.uk (https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/people/prince-andrew-net-worth-how-wealthy-royal-swiss-ski-chalet-1394322)
i doubt if anyone knows what their financial situation is.
Quote from: Amabel2 on August 04, 2022, 10:26:56 AM
i doubt if anyone knows what their financial situation is.
Well, maybe not. However what we do know is that Fergie has complained of her financial situation for years, received loans from som some very dodgy people including Epstein for her living expenses, and according to several posters who notice these things on another forum, wears the same outfits, shoes, bags etc over and over again.
And as Andrew only has only (officially) had his naval pension besides whatever he gets from the Queen and had lived up to his income for years, with trips abroad, ski holidays and freebies from oligarchs I?d be surprised if he?s rolling in cash at this time.
And if he is, what are we to make of this? From the article I linked above about Andrew?s finances.
?The Duke?s friendship with multimillionaire Conservative donor and financier David Rowland is frequently brought up in conversations around his financial situation.
Companies linked to Mr Rowland reportedly paid off a ?1.5m personal loan that Andrew took out in 2017.
Bloomberg News reported in November that Andrew took out the loan with Luxembourg-based private bank Banque Havilland in December 2017, and that it was paid off 11 days later by companies associated with Mr Rowland, who is the bank?s founder.
The Mail on Sunday previously reported that Mr Rowland helped pay off some of Ms Ferguson?s debts ? believed to be around ?5m ? in 2011, two years after Andrew was a guest of honour at Banque Havilland?s official opening.?
If Andrew was/is swimming in money why was he taking out one and a half million dollar loans with a foreign based bank? And why was Rowland paying off five million dollar debts for Fergie?
The moneys very likely come from the earnings from the 22 part book deal with the Australian publishers Serenity Press that has ties with UK Mills & Boons publishing house. Two romantic novels have done well; Her Heart for a Compass and Demons Land, the latter has a 5/5 rating by romantic novel lovers. She signed this deal a few months ago.
There is a 'to each it's own' i.e. my sister loves to indulge herself with bedtime stories/romantic novelettes. She is member to book forums and they rate and discuss the who is who, who is God like, who is meh, what style of writing, etc.
Mathematically IF 1% of 7.7 Billion humans like romantic novels from 'whomever' , that represents 78Million x USD2 (I'm using the least amount for 'bin' purpose when the book already had 'peaked' at a grater price, bin prices are sought after by bookworm people, also using the least percentage of the planet population so one can see that IF one can sell anything to 78Million souls at a dollar, you make USD 78Million, reference purpose)
She's not ''idle''.
Anyway, Fergie has always been reckless with her finances, spends it faster than moneys coming in, uses all the future eggs before chicken hatched and all those quotes representing spendthrifters.
Quote from: wannable on August 04, 2022, 01:30:10 PM
The moneys very likely come from the earnings from the 22 part book deal with the Australian publishers Serenity Press that has ties with UK Mills & Boons publishing house. Two romantic novels have done well; Her Heart for a Compass and Demons Land, the latter has a 5/5 rating by romantic novel lovers. She signed this deal a few months ago.
There is a 'to each it's own' i.e. my sister loves to indulge herself with bedtime stories/romantic novelettes. She is member to book forums and they rate and discuss the who is who, who is God like, who is meh, what style of writing, etc.
Mathematically IF 1% of 7.7 Billion humans like romantic novels from 'whomever' , that represents 78Million x USD2 (I'm using the least amount for 'bin' purpose when the book already had 'peaked' at a grater price, bin prices are sought after by bookworm people, also using the least percentage of the planet population so one can see that IF one can sell anything to 78Million souls at a dollar, you make USD 78Million, reference purpose)
She's not ''idle''.
Thank you for the research
@wannable. I'm guessing this is how she's been able to make the purchase. I wonder though if she plans to relocate to this property or will continue to live at Royal Lodge Windsor with Andrew?
The property is in the richest neighborhood of London, I'd say it's a great investment. Any Middle Eastern would lease it, the Grosvenors had just recently reconstructed it, brand new. Then also it's like selling it to 'family'. The Duke of Westminster is the Godfather to Prince George, both families go waaaay back.
Fergie is divorced but not quarreling mode with the royal family. She's been living for decades with her ex husband, their children have made their own families and live in 'other' abodes rather than the Royal Lodge with Andrew and Fergie. It's not like Windsor estate is 'living too close', vast gardens separate each structure, but I am liking that both Bea and Eug are following or leading their husbands life path (personally and career wise).
Anyway, I do not know how much IS the 22 book deal. What I do know is she isn't idle, 2 books are out in the market already when she had only signed a few months ago this year. AND 22 books is a lot of work! So she's typing her life away :laugh:
I doubt very very much that Fergie is a multi-millionairess, especially through writing books. 99% of authors in Britain and the rest of the world aren?t.
Who said that Fergie has been idle? Not me! However, even a few months ago she was complaining in interviews of being broke. And if she had so much money rolling in from her writing one would have thought the Yorks wouldn?t have needed to sell their Swiss chalet, which they thought would bring them high holiday rentals.
The fact that she lives with Andrew in Royal Lodge and isn?t in quarrelling mode with the RF is irrelevant. She certainly isn?t and wasn?t their favourite cup of tea. According to reports Charles isn?t too keen, she wasn?t invited to the Cambridge wedding and Prince Philip couldn?t stand her ever since her separation from Andrew. The young Duke of Grosvenor, nor the old one his father, don?t go ?way back? with Andrew or Fergie. Gerald Grosvenor was always friendly with younger members of the BRF (and that included Harry, who was lent his plane at times to get to Switzerland).
Far from being financially solvent a picture emerges from Press reports of the last twenty years at least of two people (the Yorks) who lived up to their income and more, relied on ultra wealthy friends and acquaintances to periodically bail them out of debt/financial difficulties and regularly mixed with people whose income was many times their own. Now the gravy train has ended, for Andrew at least. We will see in the future whether Fergie gets into more difficulties.
From the DM with reference to the stalled sale of the Swiss chalet.
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The Duke of Westminster (pictured), 31, is believed to have sold a ?5million Mayfair property to Sarah Ferguson
And he had been accused of acting as a fixer in Kulibayev's business deals and is a close friend of the tycoon's Nazarbayev.
Andrew is also struggling to sell his ?18m ski chalet in Verbier, Switzerland, due to an alleged ?1.6m debt to a Swiss couple.
According to reports in the Swiss media, the debt to the mystery couple is preventing the Duke of York from completing the sale of his much-loved Chalet Helora.
It has been claimed that the disgraced royal was intending to use money from the sale of the property to help finance his ?10million sex assault lawsuit settlement with accuser Virginia Giuffre.
In February of this year it was reported that Andrew had found a buyer for the chalet, after settling a separate ?6.6million debt to French socialite Isabelle de Rouvre, 74, who he purchased the property from in 2014.
But the process appears to have stalled because the chalet is 'under sequestration' as a result of the alleged debt. The chalet was frozen as an asset by Swiss authorities on December 15, 2020 according to Le Temps newspaper.
Sources close to Prince Andrew previously told MailOnline that the dispute will not prevent the property's sale, and that while the Duke 'did not deny owing the money' to the couple he was 'questioning the amount'.
Mystery as Sarah Ferguson buys ?5M Mayfair home after pleading poverty | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11080033/Mystery-Fergie-buys-5M-Mayfair-home-pleading-poverty.html)
Sources close to the 62-year-old claim her financial status improved after she launched a writing career that secured various book deals.
Quote from: wannable on August 05, 2022, 02:46:26 AM
Sources close to the 62-year-old claim her financial status improved after she launched a writing career that secured various book deals.
Well, that?s certainly appeared in a couple of tabloids as the explanation for Fergie?s supposed sudden ?wealth?. Without naming any of these ?sources?. Possibly the only authoress in England who supposedly has received millions for two non best sellers, lol!.
Let?s hope that she helps Andrew out then in his debt to a mystery Swiss couple so the chalet sale can go ahead. It?s stalled because of that debt. And uncouple from Andrew at Royal Lodge by financially supporting herself without anonymous helpful ?donors? for a change.
French socialite who sued Yorks over Swiss chalet is left furious as Fergie buys ?5m Mayfair flats | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11089083/French-socialite-sued-Yorks-Swiss-chalet-left-furious-Fergie-buys-5m-Mayfair-flats.html)
The above may well be the explanation for why Fergie had enough money to splash around on Mayfair mews cottages. That sort of behaviour is typical of the couple.
?A French socialite and property owner who was owed millions by the Duke of York has been left furious after discovering Sarah Ferguson bought a ?5million house in Mayfair.
Isabelle de Rouvre, 74, was owed ?6.8million from the sale of a Swiss chalet back in 2014 - but agreed to receive only half of the sum as she believed the Yorks were struggling financially.
Prince Andrew and his ex-wife bought Ms de Rouvre's chalet in Verbier for ?18million, but only paid her ?13million upfront. Ms de Rouvre sold to them directly rather than place it on the market after the royals rented it from her during the early 2010s.
The remaining ?5million were to be paid in instalments with interest, and by 2021, this had still not been paid and the family owed a total of ?6.8million.
Ms de Rouvre reportedly settled for just ?3.4million, in part because she believed both the Duke of York and his ex-wife Sarah Ferguson were short of money.
But today the socialite revealed her outrage after it was revealed Fergie had bought a ?5m Mayfair property, said to be a 'long-term investment' for her daughters, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie.
Ms de Rouvre branded the news, 'incredible and unbelievable' saying she believed Fergie 'didn't have a penny'.
Today, it also emerged that the Prince's payout to sexual abuse accuser Virginia Guiffre could have been as little as ?3million.?
Sarah has a new book coming out entitled A Most Intriguing Lady.
Sarah Ferguson on Instagram: "I am thrilled to announce my brand new historical romance novel, A Most Intriguing Lady, is coming to bookstores near (https://www.instagram.com/p/CjqDYE2Mlv4/)
I wonder if the book is interesting.
Quote from: Blue Clover on October 14, 2022, 02:00:03 AM
I wonder if the book is interesting.
Fergie wrote it, what do you think?
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/15/09/63497153-11318313-The_dogs_had_been_a_gift_to_the_Queen_from_Andrew_and_his_daught-a-53_1665824173584.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/15/09/63497159-11318313-Speaking_at_the_Henley_Literary_Festival_earlier_this_month_Sara-a-54_1665824174801.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/15/09/63497167-11318313-_The_presents_that_keeps_giving_Sarah_Ferguson_pictured_posted_a-a-42_1665823892446.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/15/09/63497157-11318313-Royal_fans_were_thrilled_to_see_the_dogs_being_so_well_looked_af-a-44_1665823897434.jpg)
Sarah Ferguson says the Queen's corgis are 'present that keeps giving' as she marks 63rd birthday | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11318313/Sarah-Ferguson-says-Queens-corgis-present-keeps-giving-marks-62nd-birthday.html)
Sarah Ferguson Shares Birthday Snaps with Queen's Corgis (https://people.com/royals/sarah-ferguson-birthday-photo-queen-elizabeth-corgis/)
Sarah Ferguson's heartwarming birthday photos with Queen's corgis leaves fans saying the same thing | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20221015154253/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-birthday-photo-queens-corgis-fans-say-same-thing/)
Sarah Ferguson relaxes with Queen's corgis as she calls them 'present that keeps giving' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1683101/sarah-ferguson-queen-corgis-gift-relaxes)
Fergie posts adorable new photo with the Queen's corgis as dogs settle into new home - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/fergie-posts-adorable-new-photo-28245725)
Sarah Ferguson poses with Queen?s corgis for first time since they moved in with Duchess and Prince Andrew | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/20116570/sarah-ferguson-poses-queens-corgis-windsor-prince-andrew/)
The corgis certainly appear to be lovely dogs, and it?s great that she and Andrew have a bond with them. Long may it continue, until the dogs pass on. Lovely pictures too of Fergie and the dogs.
However, I just hope that that?s it. No more heartwarming ongoing articles in Hello and other mags about these ?gifts from the Queen? and that therefore she is still in a good place within the RF. Please! Because the reality is that is no longer the case, if it ever was.
Yes, the Queen liked her and forgave her the past misdemeanours. That doesn?t mean Charles will do the same. Balmoral is now his and I?m betting those treasured annual invitations to visit will now dry up.
Fergie remains a divorced woman, no longer a royal and with an unfortunate marriage in her past to a now disgraced Prince Andrew. That?s the truth of it and no burbling in interviews about cute corgi dogs who were her late mother in law?s pets, or her ?girlies?, who happen to be Princesses, or about how great Prince Charmless, her ex is, is going to change any of it.
She still lives with Andrew and is the mother of 2 daughters who are royal. I dont know if Charles will invite her to Balmoral but Andrew is still his brother and while he will probalbly be sterner with him than the queen was, he's not going to throw him out of the family altogether.
Quote from: Amabel2 on October 16, 2022, 09:22:48 AM
She still lives with Andrew and is the mother of 2 daughters who are royal. I dont know if Charles will invite her to Balmoral but Andrew is still his brother and while he will probalbly be sterner with him than the queen was, he's not going to throw him out of the family altogether.
I never said that Charles would throw Andrew out of the family. Although they are not close as brothers that will never happen.
However, ever since the divorce (and I do give credit to Fergie for becoming somewhat independent in making her own living though she is absolutely hopeless with money) she has incessantly beaten the drum that she is still so close within the RF though it is obvious that she is not. Does she meet ever with King Charles? Or Camilla? I doubt it.
Fergie has scarcely met Kate or William in the past decade for example, and I doubt she has ever really met their children. Instead, for decades there has been scarcely an interview in which she has not mentioned her royal connections (or her ex) and now the late Queen?s dogs are living in Royal Lodge no doubt they will be the subject of more burbling about how wondrous THEY are. I sometimes think that Fergie lives in an alternative universe called Planet Flakie, where things are always wonderful with unicorns and rainbows and lovie dovie relationships. Except they aren?t!
Awww sweet photos of Sarah and the corgis.
Sarah is heading to Aus on a speaking tour in coming months in which she states that she will be talking about intimate details of her life and her marriage to Prince Andrew. She is supposedly going to receive a sum of around 250,000 dollars Australian for it. So raking in the moolah somehow eh, Fergie!
Sarah Ferguson is heading to Australia for a tell-all speaking tour next year | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11342531/Sarah-Ferguson-heading-Australia-tell-speaking-tour-year.html)
well what else can she do? I doubt if she is really telling intimate details of her life with Andrew but a certain amount of talkign about ones' private life seems to be mandatory for people nowadays.
Well, we will see. Fergie was a great admirer of the Queen, her mother in law, of Charles perhaps not so much. Her daughters are immersed in private lives, Andrew is banished from public life. Perhaps, as she has to be worth that quarter of a million, Sarah will tell some untold and not so flattering stories of life in the royal family and having to deal with the Men in Grey, as she feels she really has nothing much to lose by it. Perhaps not. It will be interesting to see which way she jumps.
Quote from: Curryong on October 23, 2022, 10:24:16 AM
Well, we will see. Fergie was a great admirer of the Queen, her mother in law, of Charles perhaps not so much. Her daughters are immersed in private lives, Andrew is banished from public life. Perhaps, as she has to be worth that quarter of a million, Sarah will tell some untold and not so flattering stories of life in the royal family and having to deal with the Men in Grey, as she feels she really has nothing much to lose by it. Perhaps not. It will be interesting to see which way she jumps.
I dont think so. She is sharing accommodation and finances with Andrew and Im sure he would not want her to go talking freely about the RF, if only because the RF are probably helping him out financially. I expect the queen's left him something but given Sarah's and Andrew's continual money problems, I think they can never have enough.
If this is the case, then IMO it was a wise move on the part of the QC to strengthen the bond with Sarah and in a way with Andrew too. This is a way to "keep an eye" on Fergie who is known to be a bit of a loose cannon and likely keeps Andrew feeling a little less isolated.
Sarah, Duchess of York, welcomed back into The Royal Family fold by Queen Camilla ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/sarah-duchess-welcomed-back-into-the-royal-family-fold-by-queen-camilla-185858/)
QuoteQueen Camilla has reportedly been instrumental in welcoming back Sarah, Duchess of York, back within the family fold.
The Mail on Sunday reports that Sarah, who was married to Prince Andrew from 1986 to 1996, has found a strong ally in Queen Camilla.
A source told the Mail?s Kate Mansey: ?Camilla likes Sarah. They?re both gentry.
?They share a love of horses and Fergie will be smart enough to play the game with Camilla and realise she is the power behind the King. That she must be nice to them and support them.?
The allyship seems to have strengthened in recent months, with The King and Queen inviting Sarah to Sandringham over Christmas where she enjoyed time with The Royal Family.
The Duchess even accompanied Their Majesties on the family?s Boxing Day hunt, something that was unthinkable just a few years ago.
In the final years of Queen Elizabeth?s reign, there were signs that Sarah was being welcomed back to the family fold.
She and Prince Andrew were both invited to spend summer at Balmoral with the late Queen on a number of occasions.
Fergie has arrived at Graceland ahead of the funeral and gave an interview about her friend Lisa Marie Presley, who will soon be interred in the memorial garden there.
https://celebrity.nine.com.au/latest/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-arrives-memphis-tennessee-lisa-marie-presley-funeral/9c4f0f46-1065-454a-a11a-45b635efb9a5
Sarah, her daughters and sons-in-law were all in Norway for a winter holiday.
Unexpected royals in baggage area at Norwegian airport as Sarah Ferguson and her daughters pay a visit to see the whales ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/unexpected-royals-in-baggage-area-at-norwegian-airport-as-sarah-ferguson-and-her-daughters-pay-a-visit-186174/)
Sarah Ferguson is set to travel to NYC to promote her new romance novel 'A Most Intriguing Lady:' Duchess of York, 62, will 'talk about the Queen, Prince Harry, and Meghan Markle'
Sarah Ferguson will travel to New York City on March 6th to promote her novel
During her appearance at the 92nd St Y, Fergie will discuss Harry and Meghan
Daily Mail
^ Eugenie and Sarah have supported the Sussexes one way or another.
Quote from: wannable on February 10, 2023, 05:53:34 PM
Sarah Ferguson is set to travel to NYC to promote her new romance novel 'A Most Intriguing Lady:' Duchess of York, 62, will 'talk about the Queen, Prince Harry, and Meghan Markle'
Sarah Ferguson will travel to New York City on March 6th to promote her novel
During her appearance at the 92nd St Y, Fergie will discuss Harry and Meghan
Daily Mail
^ Eugenie and Sarah have supported the Sussexes one way or another.
Sarah has never criticised either of them. (Neither has Beatrice.) So if the British tabloids are expecting Sarah to unload a full load of dirt on them I think they will be very disappointed.
Quote from: Curryong on February 10, 2023, 09:38:08 PM
Sarah has never criticised either of them. (Neither has Beatrice.) So if the British tabloids are expecting Sarah to unload a full load of dirt on them I think they will be very disappointed.
As far as I can recall, Sarah, Duchess of York has never publicly criticized any member of the British Royal Family so I doubt she would do so in New York for this appearance.
Quote from: TLLK on February 10, 2023, 11:30:11 PM
As far as I can recall, Sarah, Duchess of York has never publicly criticized any member of the British Royal Family so I doubt she would do so in New York for this appearance.
Sarah cant afford to criticise the RF, she needs Andrew to support her and he is almost certainly relying on his siblings to support him, when he runs short of money.
Fergie has spoken out in recent interviews, particularly one with Hello which the Fail has reprinted. In it she discloses that she hasn?t received a Coronation invitation, ?it?s TBD?, she jokes, that Andrew is ?a good man? (AGAIN) and perhaps more startling, she is helping to financially support Andrew since his Sovereign Grant money was cut off with the income from her career as an author.
Sarah Ferguson insists her ex-husband Prince Andrew is a 'GOOD man' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11828383/Sarah-Ferguson-insists-ex-husband-Prince-Andrew-GOOD-man.html)
I fear that Sarah's invitation will not be forthcoming and that it will be permanently lost in the mail.
Sarah had an exclusive interview with Hello magazine where she discusses the release of her new book, A Most Intriguing Lady.
Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York talks family, the Queen and corgis - exclusive | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20230305165810/fergie-queen-sarah-ferguson-family-corgis-duchess-of-york-exclusive/)
Sarah Ferguson interview: On Prince Andrew, Harry and her new book | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/sarah-ferguson-interview-fergie-andrew-books-b2313061.html?amp)
Interesting interview with Fergie. I?m glad to see she?s been able to make a go of it with her books. I also like the way she?s not feeling sorry for herself about not being invited to the coronation. Also quite right for her to note her gratitude for being a guest at Royal Lodge.
Sarah is hoping to one day open a bookstore.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Surprise chapter in Fergie's life as she reveals desire to open her own bookshop | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11987471/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Surprise-chapter-Fergies-life-reveals-desire-open-bookshop.html)
^Cute idea! Glad to see her continue to create a path for herself moving forward.
^^
Finally a harmless and very worthwhile idea for Sarah to tackle. This is so perfect for her, Books are the best thing in the world for a person wanting to learn something to make their life better....Good Luck Sarah.
Duchess of York faces GBP 19m lawsuit over her failed media investment firm: Sarah Ferguson is among group of directors being pursued by liquidators after GBP 500k in 'unexplained' loans were made out to her businesses.
Duchess of York faces ?19m lawsuit over her failed media investment firm | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12134503/Duchess-York-faces-19m-lawsuit-failed-media-investment-firm.html)
Quote from: wannable on May 30, 2023, 06:51:30 PM
Duchess of York faces GBP 19m lawsuit over her failed media investment firm: Sarah Ferguson is among group of directors being pursued by liquidators after GBP 500k in 'unexplained' loans were made out to her businesses.
Duchess of York faces ?19m lawsuit over her failed media investment firm | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12134503/Duchess-York-faces-19m-lawsuit-failed-media-investment-firm.html)
This woman has the worst business sense of anybody I?ve ever heard of. And all these ?unexplained loans? sounds very much like things we?ve heard before. And who on earth would give her money to invest!
The West Australian (https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/royal-family/jeffrey-epstein-pedophiles-calendar-indicates-meetings-with-prince-andrews-ex-wife-sarah-ferguson-c-10825415)
?The Duchess of York met with Jeffrey Epstein in 2010 even though he was still under house arrest for having sex with underage girls, files obtained by DailyMail indicate.
The pedophile?s private calendars from March of that year reveal that he would make room in his schedule for Sarah Ferguson, the ex-wife of Prince Andrew.
At the time, Epstein still had five months of house arrest left for admitting to soliciting a minor for prostitution, an offence for which he served a 13-month jail sentence and was labelled a registered sex offender.?
Article about Epstein?s diary showing meetings with Fergie while he was under house arrest in NY. What was she doing there? Nothing good, probably getting some more loans.
Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, treated for breast cancer | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-treated-for-breast-cancer-12909474)
^So glad to hear that it was caught early. I also appreciate her discussing it publicly to encourage women to get checked and to check themselves regularly; very scary but very necessary.
Gert?s Royals Twitter says
Quote?Sarah, Duchess of York was recently diagnosed with an early form of breast cancer detected at a routine mammogram screening.
She was advised she needed to undergo surgery which has taken place successfully.
The Duchess is receiving the best medical care and her doctors have told her that the prognosis is good. She is now recuperating with her family.
The Duchess wants to express her immense gratitude to all the medical staff who have supported her in recent days.
She is also hugely thankful to the staff involved in the mammogram which identified her illness, which was otherwise symptom free, and believes her experience underlines the importance of regular screening."
Duchess of York tells new podcast how she was diagnosed with breast cancer after routine mammogram | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12232047/Duchess-York-tells-new-podcast-diagnosed-breast-cancer-routine-mammogram.html)
Sarah Ferguson Diagnosed with Breast Cancer (https://people.com/sarah-ferguson-diagnosed-with-breast-cancer-7553026)
Sarah Ferguson is recovering from breast cancer surgery ? details | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/496291/sarah-ferguson-recovering-breast-cancer-surgery/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66014781
Duchess of York recuperating after surgery for breast cancer | Sarah Ferguson | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/25/duchess-of-york-recuperating-after-surgery-for-breast-cancer)
Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with breast cancer after routine check discovery | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1784377/sarah-ferguson-breast-cancer-routine-check)
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-06-25/sarah-ferguson-recovering-from-surgery-after-breast-cancer-diagnosis
Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with breast cancer and undergoes operation in hospital - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-sarah-ferguson-diagnosed-cancer-30208674)
Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with breast cancer and has left hospital after 'successful' operation | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/22806258/sarah-ferguson-reveals-breast-cancer/)
Sarah, Duchess of York diagnosed with breast cancer ? Royal Central (https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/york/sarah-duchess-of-york-diagnosed-with-breast-cancer-191049/)
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on June 25, 2023, 05:32:47 PM
Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, treated for breast cancer | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-treated-for-breast-cancer-12909474)
I am very glad that she has been successfully treated and hope she makes a full recovery.
Good for her to speak about this ordeal publicly. I am also glad the op was successful.
Quote from: wannable on June 25, 2023, 10:02:21 PM
Good for her to speak about this ordeal publicly. I am also glad the op was successful.
Yes, so am I. Sometimes Fergie is a very silly woman but nobody deserves to die from cancer. So glad it was caught early and that she came out and spoke about it. Hopefully it will encourage others to check themselves and then go to their physician.
After Sarah Ferguson's shock cancer diagnosis... here's how YOU can check your breasts | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12232071/After-Sarah-Fergusons-shock-cancer-diagnosis-heres-check-breasts.html)
Ladies,if you are over 40 years old going mammogram annual years make sure if you are not get breast cancer i do taking mammogram but mine not get breast cancer negative
Sarah Ferguson recovering after 'successful' breast cancer operation | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1784407/Sarah-Ferguson-cancer-operation)
Sarah Ferguson reveals she had no breast cancer symptoms before shock diagnosis - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/sarah-ferguson-reveals-no-breast-30320114)
Little known breast cancer symptoms as Sarah Ferguson given shock diagnosis - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/little-known-breast-cancer-symptoms-30320154)
Prince Andrew rallying round ex-wife Sarah Ferguson as she recovers from cancer op - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-andrew-rallying-round-ex-30319833)
Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, diagnosed with breast cancer, undergoes surgery - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-breast-cancer-diagnosis-undergoes-surgery/)
Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, Diagnosed With Breast Cancer (https://www.today.com/health/breast-cancer/sarah-ferguson-duchess-york-breast-cancer-rcna91059)
Wishing Sarah a quick and full recovery!
Sarah Ferguson thanks followers for 'kindness and support after cancer diagnosis | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12233501/Duchess-York-Sarah-Ferguson-reveals-single-mastectomy.html)
Fergie tells women to check for breast cancer: Duchess, 63, stresses need of 'regular screening' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12232767/Fergie-tells-women-check-breast-cancer-Duchess-63-stresses-need-regular-screening.html)
Sarah Ferguson, Fergie Speaks on Breast Cancer Diagnosis on Podcast (https://people.com/sarah-ferguson-talks-breast-cancer-diagnosis-podcast-credits-sister-urging-get-checked-7553088)
Sarah Ferguson Says Beatrice, Eugenie Visited Cancer Units on Birthdays (https://people.com/sarah-ferguson-fergie-shares-princess-beatrice-princess-eugenie-had-18th-birthday-parties-teenage-cancer-units-7553211)
Sarah Ferguson reveals she has undergone a mastectomy after nearly missing mammogram appointment | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/496303/sarah-ferguson-reveals-she-has-undergone-a-mastectomy-after-nearly-missing-mammogram-appointment/)
Sarah Ferguson thanks fans after outpour of support amid breast cancer diagnosis | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/496339/sarah-ferguson-thanks-fans-after-breast-cancer-op/)
King Edward VII Hospital where Sarah Ferguson had surgery ? all the facts | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/496327/king-edward-vii-hospital-royal-family-facts/)
Prince Andrew at ex-wife Sarah Ferguson's side as she recovers from breast cancer op | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1784546/prince-andrew-sarah-ferguson-breast-cancer)
Sarah Ferguson opens up on breast cancer diagnosis and vows to stay 'super strong' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1784538/sarah-ferguson-breast-cancer-operation)
Sarah Ferguson shares heartfelt message with royal fans following breast cancer diagnosis | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1784589/sarah-ferguson-message-support-breast-cancer)
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-06-25/sarah-ferguson-recovering-from-surgery-after-breast-cancer-diagnosis
Sarah Ferguson has mastectomy after sister urged her to go to routine cancer check - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-sarah-ferguson-mastectomy-after-30321164)
Sarah Ferguson's 'emotional' breast cancer clinic visit two years before shock diagnosis - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/sarah-fergusons-emotional-visit-breast-30320108)
Prince Andrew pictured for first time after Sarah Ferguson reveals breast cancer op as he supports her at Royal Lodge | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22814241/prince-andrew-pictured-sarah-ferguson-recovers-breast-cancer/)
The 'silent' symptom of breast cancer you can spot when using deodorant after Sarah Ferguson's shock diagnosis | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/22812243/sarah-ferguson-breast-cancer-signs-armpit/)
I do deodorant when i get mammogram i get rub my armpit and remove the deodorant during mammogram but it?s disgusting trust me no laughing matter!! I?m hope Sarah,Duchess of York will learned lesson
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/wellness/story/sarah-ferguson-reveals-breast-cancer-diagnosis-underwent-surgery-100377549
Brave Sarah Ferguson endured breast cancer surgery that lasted for a gruelling EIGHT HOURS | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12254701/Brave-Sarah-Ferguson-endured-breast-cancer-surgery-lasted-gruelling-EIGHT-HOURS.html)
QuoteRecovering at home at Royal Lodge, Windsor, where she lives with ex-husband Prince Andrew she has the full support of her family.
Her younger daughter, Princess Eugenie, has 'all but moved in' to help look after her mother while sister Princess Beatrice is said to be a frequent visitor and 'constantly on the phone'.
Andrew has been on hand to help and friends and family have been rallying around to provide hot meals and run errands.
A Buckingham Palace source confirmed that the King had also written to his former sister-in-law, sending his sincere wishes for a speedy recovery.
A Palace insider said that plans for the Yorks to move out of Royal Lodge and into Frogmore Cottage, Harry and Meghan's former home, have been 'quietly shelved' for now.
The duchess's cancer nightmare began less than two months ago when a routine test first detected something was seriously wrong before the Coronation.
In early May, Sarah attended an appointment in London for a mammogram. Rather than being given the all-clear, as expected, the technician explained that a 'shadow' could be seen in the breast.
Fergie went out and earned her wings as a helicopter pilot in 1987. She was also a wife and mother.
What is Sarah Ferguson?s job? Royal?s secret profession revealed | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1162779/sarah-ferguson-job-secret-profession-helicopter-pilot#)
Sarah Duchess of York has reported on her IG that she has just learned of the murder in Dallas of her ex PA of many years ago. Jenean Chapman?s murderer has been detained, but the family are now faced with transporting the body of their loved one from Dallas to their home in New York for burial. Fergie has sent a donation and is appealing for others to try and help.
Sarah Ferguson (Fergie) on Instagram: "I am shocked and saddened to learn that Jenean Chapman, who worked with me as my personal assistant many years (https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxya_N-Obme/?img_index=1)
That is tragic story. I hope that the murderer is caught.
A few more details about the tragic murder of Fergie?s ex PA in Dallas. Her husband of only a few months was arrested miles away. ?It was a toxic relationship? her siblings say. Why do women get themselves involved with such lowlifes? And her body apparently lay undiscovered for days.
Body of Sarah Ferguson's long-time personal assistant 'had lain undiscovered for days' as her husband is arrested 200 miles away for her murder and (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12577983/Sarah-Fergusons-assistant-undiscovered-husband-arrested-200-miles-murder-Duchess-York-shocked-saddened.html)
Quote from: Curryong on August 11, 2023, 12:16:05 AM
Fergie went out and earned her wings as a helicopter pilot in 1987. She was also a wife and mother.
What is Sarah Ferguson?s job? Royal?s secret profession revealed | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1162779/sarah-ferguson-job-secret-profession-helicopter-pilot#)
it was hardly a profession, She just did it to learn more about Andy's job.
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Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with skin cancer just six months after breast op in latest health battle to rock royals | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/25437115/sarah-ferguson-fergie-diagnosed-skin-cancer-royal-family/?utm_campaign=native_share&utm_source=sharebar_native&utm_medium=sharebar_native)
Sarah Ferguson, 64, is diagnosed with skin cancer just months after being treated for breast cancer - as friends reveal 'it's not been an easy time' (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12989295/Sarah-Ferguson-diagnosed-skin-cancer-just-months-Duchess-York-treated-breast-cancer.html)
Sarah Ferguson Diagnosed with Skin Cancer After Beating Breast Cancer (https://people.com/sarah-ferguson-diagnosed-with-skin-cancer-8546883)
Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, diagnosed with skin cancer | UK News | Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-diagnosed-with-skin-cancer-13053559)
Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with cancer again just months after mastectomy for breast cancer | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1858212/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-breast-cancer-malignant-melanoma)
Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with skin cancer after moles removed in 'distressing' health update - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-sarah-ferguson-diagnosed-skin-31933705)
This latest diagnosis is rotten bad luck after the breast cancer. Fergie was freckly when she was young and I guess was more at risk Hope no more melanomas are found and she is now free of them.
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Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with malignant melanoma | Sarah Ferguson | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/21/sarah-ferguson-diagnosed-malignant-melanoma)
Why it's important to check your body for skin cancer and what to look | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1858257/Sarah-ferguson-rges-skin-cancer-checks)
Sarah Ferguson?s health history, from breast cancer to new malignant melanoma diagnosis | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1858228/sarah-ferguson-health-history-breast-skin-cancer)
Sarah Ferguson: What is a malignant melanoma? Duchess of York diagnosed with skin cancer | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1858219/sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-skin-cancer-malignant-melanoma)
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Skin cancer symptoms: Key signs of melanoma to look out for after Sarah Ferguson diagnosis - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/skin-cancer-symptoms-key-signs-31933845)
What type of cancer does Sarah Ferguson have? | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/25437280/what-type-of-cancer-does-sarah-ferguson-have/)
High-tech clinic where Fergie is recovering after cancer shock promises celebs it'll 'shed burdens of the soul' | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/25437295/sarah-ferguson-recovering-cancer-austria-rebel-wilson/)
The four signs of melanoma everyone must know as Sarah Ferguson reveals skin cancer diagnosis | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/health/25437563/signs-melanoma-must-know-sarah-ferguson-fergie/)
Sarah Ferguson's statement in full after skin cancer diagnoses as duchess 'in good spirits' after 'distressing' month | The (https://www.thesun.co.uk/royals/25336159/sarah-ferguson-cancer-statement-full/)
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What is melanoma? Your questions about the skin cancer answered after Sarah Ferguson's diagnosis - including how to check your moles | Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12989621/melanoma-skin-cancer-Sarah-Ferguson-diagnosis-moles-questions.html)
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Sarah Ferguson Is 'Resilient' amid Skin Cancer Treatment (https://people.com/sarah-ferguson-resilient-amid-skin-cancer-treatment-8546891)
Sarah Ferguson diagnosed with malignant melanoma following breast cancer battle | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/celebrities/511758/sarah-ferguson-diagnosed-malignant-melanoma-after-breast-cancer-battle/)
Sarah Ferguson shares heartwarming Easter message after making surprise appearance at Windsor service with King Charles as she's welcomed back into the royal fold -
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