A thread to discuss the former spouses and past relationships for royals.
Princess Margaret's former husband Lord Snowdon dies aged 86
Princess Margaret's former husband Lord Snowdon has died (http://us.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2017011335781/lord-snowdon-princess-margaret-husband-dies/)
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The royal rebel: Society photographer Lord Snowdon, the charming ex-husband of Princess Margaret who captured iconic images of the Queen and Diana, dies peacefully at home aged 86
Lord Snowdon, Princess Margaret?s former husband, dies aged 86 | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4117490/Photographer-Lord-Snowdon-former-husband-Princess-Margaret-dies-peacefully-aged-86.html)
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Princess Margaret's Former Husband Lord Snowdon Dies at 86
Lord Snowdon, Princess Margaret's Former Husband, Dies at 86 (http://people.com/royals/princess-margarets-former-husband-lord-snowdon-dies-at-86/)
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Lord Snowdon dies aged 86
Lord Snowdon dies aged 86 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38611497)
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Lord Snowdon, Princess Margaret's former husband, dies aged 86
Lord Snowdon, Princess Margaret's former husband, dies aged 86 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/13/lord-snowdon-princess-margarets-former-husband-dies-aged-86/)
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Lord Snowdon, former husband of Princess Margaret, dies aged 86
Lord Snowdon, former husband of Princess Margaret, dies aged 86 (http://news.sky.com/story/lord-snowdon-former-husband-of-princess-margaret-dies-aged-86-10727422)
QuoteBREAKING: Lord Snowdon, former husband to Princess Margaret, dies aged 86
Lord Snowdon, the former husband of Princess Margaret, has died peacefully at the age of 86 a family spokesperson has announced.
The world-renowned photographer and film maker married The Queen's sister in 1960, but divorced a few years later in 1978.
Buckingham Palace has confirmed that The Queen is aware of Lord Snowdon's death.
Read more:
BREAKING: Lord Snowdon, former husband to Princess Margaret, dies aged 86 – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/other/breaking-lord-snowdon-former-husband-to-princess-margaret-dies-aged-86-74999)
Sad to hear of his death but he had reached a good age and was in increasingly poor health
^ Yes, he reached a good age and lived an exciting life.
About 10 years ago I was in London and he nearly knocked me over. He wagged his finger at me like he was still a Royal.
Another of the old guard has gone.
Lord Snowdon dies aged 86 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38611497?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central)
Lord Snowdon dies aged 86 - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38611497?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central)
His son David will now inherit his late father's title.
David Armstrong-Jones now has the title of 2nd Earl of Snowdon.
This article included fabulous pictures that Antony had taken.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4117490
Thank you for sharing the article with the incredible collection of his work.
Those are wonderful photographs. Thanks for sharing.
It's nice to see Charles and Diana have real affection for each other. They were a happy family once.
I really like the one of Princess Margaret in the bath tub. :nod:
Antony was educated at Cambridge. Architecture was the subject he had chosen for his degree. However he developed an interest in photography.
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Princess Margaret's ex husband dies at ages 86 (http://www.royalinsight.net/forum/index.php?topic=86700.0)
He was "extremely sad" that the marriage ended, my foot!! Snowden was absolutely terrible to Margaret... rude, name calling .. He wanted a divorce very badly if I recall that time.... Of course then Margaret could also be a handful. Snowden was not extremely sad, at all..
I enjoyed the behind the scenes story by India Hicks on a doc about him wielding a whistle to get everyone on point taking his wedding photos of C&D. Some real stunners of Diana in there, love the upward gaze photo and the engagement pic with the blue oxford shirt, so casual and romantic, :crazylove: and the fact that her shirt looks like she had to borrow one of his, is for its time in royal photos, a bit saucy if i do say LOL. As usual, my favs pics of her are in casual clothes.
The pics in 92 of her I wonder if they were around the time of the book coming out, or of the separation, she looks so stiff and weary in them, like the weight of the world is on those shoulders. :flower:
Yes, I'm afraid the 'extremely sad' about the marriage ending in the Roddy Llewellen saga was strictly for public consumption. I'm sure he was secretly delighted. Snowdon could be quite searing in his criticisms and Margaret didn't hold back either. Theirs truly was a marriage from hell after a few years, just as awful as the Wales's.
QuoteMeet the new Earl of Snowdon
Following the death of Antony Armstrong-Jones, 1st Earl of Snowdon, former husband of Her Royal Highness Princess Margaret, the new Earl of Snowdon is their son, David Albert Charles Armstrong-Jones. Although he succeeded to his father's peerage immediately upon his death, it is part of a well-established convention not to style him as Earl of Snowdon until after his father's funeral.
David Armstrong-Jones was born on 3 November 1961 and was styled as Viscount Linley up until his father's death. He was joined by a sister, Lady Sarah Chatto (née Armstrong-Jones) in 1964. From the age of five, he took lessons with his cousin Prince Andrew at Buckingham Palace and later went to several schools. He developed a passion for arts and crafts, and from 1980 to 1982 he studied at Parnham House for craftsmen in wood. He opened his own workshop, where he designed and made furniture and set up his own company. He is also the author of several books.
As a grandson of George VI, he currently stands 18th in line to succeed his aunt, Her Majesty The Queen. He is the first person in the line of succession not to be a direct descendant of Her Majesty.
Read more:
Meet the new Earl of Snowdon – Royal Central (http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/meet-the-new-earl-of-snowdon-75104)
Pictures taken by Antony, 1st Earl of Snowdon
Lord Snowdon's photographs - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YNbDfG7gSw)
David Armstrong-Jones is the new Earl of Snowdon | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4123922/David-Armstrong-Jones-new-Earl-Snowdon.html)
Good pictures, but the writing..is well the DM. The Earl's funeral has NOT taken place yet despite what the caption states.
David, 2nd Earl of Snowdon
Meet The 2nd Earl Of Snowdon - David Armstrong-Jones - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3ZRZG_wLLM)
James Hewitt ?suffered a heart attack and stroke' | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4503686/James-Hewitt-suffered-heart-attack-stroke.html#comments)
Oh, my goodness! And he is not that old either. I hope he makes a full recovery. Stroke AND heart attack is pretty massive.
Princess Diana's ex-lover James Hewitt 'fights for his life after heart attack'
Princess Diana's ex-lover James Hewitt 'suffers heart attack and stroke' | Royal | News | Express.co.uk (http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/804300/Princess-Diana-ex-lover-James-Hewitt-heart-attack-stroke-hospital-fighting-for-life)
I hope he does get better. James has been one of those people that have gotten the worst deal out of the C&D farce. Whereas Charles got his lover and Camilla got the titles, James is despised and spoken of in very disrespectful terms. Listening to some people, you could be forgiven for believing that he dragged Diana screaming and kicking into an adulterous affair. Besides he was not the only one in that mess who kissed and told. Others managed to get away with it but James remains public enemy number one for writing a rather saccharine memoir of his affair with Diana. I feel for the man on some level. Yet another victim of royals who refuse to take responsibility for their lives and actions.
He is young and to have two life changing health emergencies will take time to recover from.
Quote from: Curryong on May 14, 2017, 03:41:28 AM
Oh, my goodness! And he is not that old either. I hope he makes a full recovery. Stroke AND heart attack is pretty massive.
He must be a heavy smoker.... as he isnt overweight... his poor mother is still alive... poor woman... i hope he recovers for himself and for her
Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 14, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
I hope he does get better. James has been one of those people that have gotten the worst deal out of the C&D farce. Whereas Charles got his lover and Camilla got the titles, James is despised and spoken of in very disrespectful terms. Listening to some people, you could be forgiven for believing that he dragged Diana screaming and kicking into an adulterous affair. Besides he was not the only one in that mess who kissed and told. Others managed to get away with it but James remains public enemy number one for writing a rather saccharine memoir of his affair with Diana. I feel for the man on some level. Yet another victim of royals who refuse to take responsibility for their lives and actions.
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Some people don't like him because he cooperated with a writer to "tell all" about the affair for $$$. IF he had been discreet and kept his mouth shut, he would not have been so reviled. Plus after DIana died he gave those unfortunate TV appearances. James treated Diana disrespectfully by selling her out that way. I found that trashy. He had someone write for him (Anna Pasternack).
I think he's sick because he may have smoked and drank.
James shot himself in the foot.
For a time he and Diana were happy and her bulimia symptoms eased up. HE apparently went through money really fast because he is broke now. And he tried desperately to make more bucks by selling Diana's letters. Nobody stepped up and bought them.
TLLK I have not heard that he was a heavy smoker but little of substance has written about him apart from those that want to attack him for writing his memoirs.
On a separate issue, it is a measure of the stupidity that surrounds some of the Diana cult counterculture that this man is constantly blamed for kissing and telling. What some people really wanted was for Charles' sins to be out in the public while Diana's own failings were kept hidden. In that way she could remain a saintly figure above reproach whilst her husband and all her lovers would be criticized for somehow getting involved with her. You see this pattern being repeated again and again. Diana finds someone to be with, then the cult begins to haunt them. When they withdraw, the cult continues to haunt that man unless he says only lovely things about his time with Diana. Very disturbing behavior IMO.
Yes James should not have tried to make money from his affair but he was not the first or last person to go to the press. He was single and not obligated by any vows of marriage. He was not royal so he had no pension to fall back on. It is unreasonable for someone whose association with Diana ended up costing his job, career, income and reputation to be expected to starve all because he has to maintain the fairy tale. In any case Diana fans should have been grateful to James for at least giving her 5 years of happiness, something she was never going to get from her own marriage for obvious reasons. That guy was used and dumped. The stress must have been horrendous for him to be crucified in public without the benefits of an institution or fan base to protect him.
I totally blame some of Diana's more irrational fans and other implacable critics of the late princess for ruining the life of virtually every man she got involved in. Ultimately it is those unreasonable obsessives that ended up making her life so miserable. Any man that came close to her would be hounded and declared the bad guy. If that was no longer possible then we would go back to the old chestnut of Charles being responsible for all her troubles in life. I heard one silly woman actually saying that had it not been for Charles, she would be securely installed in a palace instead of driving down a tunnel in Paris. Using that silly logic, we might say it was all Johnny Spencer and Frances fault for having given birth to her in the first place. Otherwise she would not have had to suffer in life. That sounds ridiculous but it is the logical conclusion of the silliness that has surrounded debates about the princess' life.
I was just reading a comical exchange on the DM where some nut was saying that it must be Charles and "the establishment" who have led to James' illness. Really? How stupid can a person get? Charles and "the establishment' have never shown an ounce of animosity to James. None whatsoever. Charles never minded that he was with Diana and neither did the royal family. As far as they were concerned, Diana was free to do as she pleased as long as it did not become too public or too embarrassing. The children did express concern that their mother's private life was being put out in the press, but even then they were being hypocritical since it is actually their mother that first invited the press into her private life. The people that have hounded James all this time are the Diana ultra fan club, her determined critics and the nasty media. It is absolutely nothing to do with Charles, the royal family or "the establishment".
He liked to party. I think at one point he owned a bar. I think he had an unhealthy lifestyle. He was filmed when he was drunk (and in a bathtub! for a TV special).
Diana's fans are not irrational and "obsessives" and our posts are all rational as we are all. This is stereotyping posters. We all have a place at the table so to speak without this sort of labeling. Hillary Clinton made the mistake of saying her opponents' followers were "deplorables." I object to this sort of thing.
Nobody forced Hewitt to sleep with Diana, nobody forced Hewitt to go to Anna Pasternack and sign a contract and tell all. His life was ruined by his own doing. Diana was dead and gone when Hewitt was desperately trying to sell her letters. How on earth are Diana's fans responsible for the mess the man made of his life? He could have moved on and not tried to make money off Diana. He wanted apparently to get rich quick. But he went through money very quickly and had to move back home.
Saying where Diana would have been if Charles had not dumped her is Kismet. But that said, chances are she would not have ended up in the tunnel in Paris if her life had perhaps taken different turns. Everybody thinks like this about their own choices and decisions. It is a what if sort of thing.
Why would the establishment be blamed about Hewitt? Once again, the man made his own bad choices and decisions. And no, Charles is not to blame, nor the Diana "obsessives: nor his parents but Hewitt is the one who could have done things differently.
The royals don't have to "invite the press." The press invites themselves when they see a "story" opportunity. The royals use PR to this day and a necessary evil is the press is involved.
Blaming the so-called "ultra fan club" and the "nasty media" is just giving a free pass to James Hewitt. Unless he is deluded as he ages, he may realize that he made the bad choices in his life. No it has nothing to do with Diana or DIana's fans.
James Hewitt did not have to be married to Diana to be a sell out. He even tried to spread gossip about Harry on some dimwitted program where he was "hypnotized" and said he and Diana "started earlier". Then he retracted it.
If James Hewitt did not want to be "hounded" he would not have tried to live off the Princess even after she has died. Burrell has heavily criticized for his books on the Princess. Hewitt is doing the same thing, IMO only much worse.
If he needed money, he could get a real job and not try to "get rich quick." He got himself into his own mess.
I had a late start to the day and read about James at work...first off, poor Shirley, she must be out of her freakin mind right now, I do hope she has some extended family and friends to support her during this time, she seems ever so nice and sweet in anything ive seen her in. Whatever your metaphysical beliefs it would be nice to send her and James some good thoughts, vibes, prayers, whatever suits you.
We all know what James has done during his time, and I think the Diana board is the more appropriate place to talk about that,the man is on deaths door, and right now the decent thing would be to focus on the news of it, wishing a speedy recovery, and possibly discussing the health related aspects of the cause of the illness over here.
I dont speak with any authority on the matter, but I would say that the posts on the thread so far have been yet again very illustrative of peoples character, so I hope people take that into account. Yes, its opinion and as such "allowed" but theres a difference to whats "allowed" and what makes for being a "decent chap or chapette"(dont know the brit slang for a lady chap).
My take on it, is smoking will certainly raise ones risk for those types of health events, not to mention im sure the stresses of events over the last 2 decades or so, depression,failed businesses,etc. can be tough on the ticker, he used to have a tipple or two after dinner, and who knows how much that got worse or not as he got older, harder things like whiskey vs red wine are harder on the circulatory system.
There was also the legal caution for drugs in 2004 (which i cant name , but is a famous Eric Clapton song), idk if that was a rare recreational use or if he used regularly, it is very hard on the circulatory system as well, as most stimulant drugs are.
We also dont know yet at this time what the illness he had a couple weeks ago and how that precipitate this event.
I wish James all the best at this time, and hope he makes a speedy recovery, and for Shirley and the family to get as much comfort and peace during this time.
Im off to the Diana board to discuss the aspects related to his entanglement with her and the posts made here about it. One thing i will say as it relates to his condition, in yet another irony of the whole overall story, while it wasnt trauma related, and different causes, it didnt escape my notice that he and Diana both had coronary and stroke......doesnt mean anything, I just tend to notice these little things.
Get well, James. :flower:
Quote from: sandy on May 15, 2017, 01:36:09 AM
If James Hewitt did not want to be "hounded" he would not have tried to live off the Princess even after she has died. Burrell has heavily criticized for his books on the Princess. Hewitt is doing the same thing, IMO only much worse.
The books and interviews/lies of Burrell are much worse IMO
Both did nothing to be proud of. Both coincidentally authorized two books.
I have to feel bad for James in his current health crises. No one deserves to be ill with two life threatening issues. That said I think James would have done better had he acted like Camilla and kept his silence but the hypocrisy shown in the loss of his army career for his affair with Diana is what IMO did him in. Charles also committed the sin of sleeping with the wife of a fellow officer but those magical HRH in his title prevented him from the same fate as James.
QuoteNo one deserves to be ill with two life threatening issues
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@Trudie
Quote from: sandy on May 15, 2017, 12:54:52 PM
Both did nothing to be proud of. Both coincidentally authorized two books.
His books are fairly inoffensive next to the Burrell, Jephson and Ken Wharfe books stuff IMO... I'm not going to start in Penny Junor, Sally B Smith, others friends of Charles slandering the poor Diana and the effect this people (close to Charles) and their books had on William and Harry.
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Quote from: Trudie on May 15, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
I have to feel bad for James in his current health crises. No one deserves to be ill with two life threatening issues. That said I think James would have done better had he acted like Camilla and kept his silence but the hypocrisy shown in the loss of his army career for his affair with Diana is what IMO did him in. Charles also committed the sin of sleeping with the wife of a fellow officer but those magical HRH in his title prevented him from the same fate as James.
Charles will be Commander-in-Chief of the British Armed Forces!!! Probably the Brigadier Andrew Parker Bowles will be invited to Coronation and whatever military events involving his ex-wife and the man she cheated on him with... I'm afraid JH isnt the most sordid of this bunch
The worst thing Hewitt did was to go under "hypnosis" and hint that the affair with Diana "could have" started earlier which promoted more ugly gossip about Harry. The others were not commendable but what Hewitt did was really rotten (he retracted the "could have" statement since then).
But I would rate Junor and Smith as the worst.
I think worst he did is try selling the letters. All what he did was for money. Her former employees were much worse. They genuinely made a career of hers being dead and saying whatever they wants/ed. Seeing themselves as authorities on Diana. When I see any of 3 former employees on royal docs... the creepy vibes are strong.... totally shameless. If Charles wanted he'd have put a rest on the Harry rumor. Well known Camilla was a promiscuous woman when single. But when 'that' is openly commented nowadays???
I think it's a myth that James Hewitt was driven out of the army because of the affair with Diana. Like others, he was was an outstanding soldier (whatever we may think of him as a man) and was mentioned in despatches during the Gulf War. However, he failed his exams to be promoted to Major no less than three times, and finally left the army after 17 years because of it. He was given his Majority after he retired.
He would probably, like Harry, have remained in the army until his sixties had he been born a generation earlier than he was, but, like other organisations, the British army has been very exam based for the last thirty years if people wish to reach the upper echelons.
Quote from: Curryong on May 15, 2017, 10:38:43 PM
I think it's a myth that James Hewitt was driven out of the army because of the affair with Diana. Like others, he was was an outstanding soldier (whatever we may think of him as a man) and was mentioned in despatches during the Gulf War. However, he failed his exams to be promoted to Major no less than three times, and finally left the army after 17 years because of it. He was given his Majority after he retired.
He would probably, like Harry, have remained in the army until his sixties had he been born a generation earlier than he was, but, like other organisations, the British army has been very exam based for the last thirty years if people wish to reach the upper echelons.
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@Curryong
Quote from: Curryong on May 15, 2017, 10:38:43 PM
I think it's a myth that James Hewitt was driven out of the army because of the affair with Diana. Like others, he was was an outstanding soldier (whatever we may think of him as a man) and was mentioned in despatches during the Gulf War. However, he failed his exams to be promoted to Major no less than three times, and finally left the army after 17 years because of it. He was given his Majority after he retired.
He would probably, like Harry, have remained in the army until his sixties had he been born a generation earlier than he was, but, like other organisations, the British army has been very exam based for the last thirty years if people wish to reach the upper echelons.
What I meant to say Curryong was once the book came out Hewitt became persona non grata within his regiment and the army. He was ousted from the clubs and is not welcome at any ceremonies that honor these vets. As I said Charles committed the same sin and admitted his own adultery with the wife of a fellow officer and did more damage causing the end of that marriage and marrying the mistress. Yet because of his HRH he is most welcome and to add insult he will head the armed forces one day.
Thank you for educating me
@Curryong. I did not know those details about his career.
Harry (thankfully) is the child that so closely resembles Charles that it is moot point as to whether he is a "bastard" or a genuine prince of the blood. All that palava started with the admission of an affair. Women might rail against it but the decks are stuck against them in the adultery stakes. The moment you admit an affair, people start to speculate about the children. It is standard practice. You are better off not talking about your private life and resolving your issues quietly. Otherwise it is the kids who have to put up with all sorts of paternity rumors.
I once read somewhere that the rumors about Harry became so bad that Charles had to speak to him about it. What a conversation to have with your son? Absolutely horrendous. Royals would be served by this mantra: "Never Complain, Never Explain". It is the best way to keep the media off your backs.
Unless people are bad at math, it is evident that Harry could not be Hewitt's since the affair started when Harry was two. So there should not have been "speculation" of the kind.
But even so the Queen did not admit any affair and there were years of gossip about Andrew's paternity (his allegedly being Porchy's son).
Charles admitted his affair with Camilla but in an interview with Dimbleby (published ca. 1994) he was careful to admit the times of intimacy with Camilla so he could stop the rumors about his siring one or both of the PB children.
There are many people who simply refuse to do the math Sandy just to stir the pot of gossip because they have nothing else to do in life.
Andrew and Hewitt are botht fairly lacking in the brains depet.. and possibly aslo didn't really like desk jobs or weren't up to them.
^ I think you're talking about Harry
Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 16, 2017, 05:51:31 AM
I once read somewhere that the rumors about Harry became so bad that Charles had to speak to him about it. What a conversation to have with your son? Absolutely horrendous. Royals would be served by this mantra: "Never Complain, Never Explain". It is the best way to keep the media off your backs.
REALLY? Harry has same small eyes (& same colour too) as Charles and Philip. And also rosacea as Charles. All the Spencers have big blue eyes. No rosacea. Hewitt has big brown eyes and no rosacea. It's been said Harry has same explosive temper as Charles and Philip, again. Hard to believe he some day thought he could to belong to a man with Big Brown eyes and No rosacea .... Harry will be a good looking man if he was the son of James Hewit (and Diana).
Family of Princess Diana's Ex, James Hewitt, Says He Is 'Getting Better' After 'Heart Attack and Stroke'
Family of Princess Diana's Ex, James Hewitt, Says He Is 'Getting Better' After 'Heart Attack and Stroke' (http://people.com/royals/princess-diana-ex-james-hewitt-heart-attack-stroke/)
Quote from: dianab on May 17, 2017, 02:02:16 PM
^ I think you're talking about Harry
Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 16, 2017, 05:51:31 AM
I once read somewhere that the rumors about Harry became so bad that Charles had to speak to him about it. What a conversation to have with your son? Absolutely horrendous. Royals would be served by this mantra: "Never Complain, Never Explain". It is the best way to keep the media off your backs.
REALLY? Harry has same small eyes (& same colour too) as Charles and Philip. And also rosacea as Charles. All the Spencers have big blue eyes. No rosacea. Hewitt has big brown eyes and no rosacea. It's been said Harry has same explosive temper as Charles and Philip, again. Hard to believe he some day thought he could to belong to a man with Big Brown eyes and No rosacea .... Harry will be a good looking man if he was the son of James Hewit (and Diana).
Hewitt did not age well. I am glad he is not the son of Hewitt and Diana.
Harry is handsome like his grandfather Philip and his hair color the same as his Aunt Sarah and her children, his cousins.
I think Harry always knew darn well he is Diana and Charles' biological son.
Harry isnt handsome (or even nice-looking) at all
The Windsor men start out handsome (some of them that is) then the looks start to go. William was considered Drop Dead Gorgeous but then he started looking like a Windsor (Uncle Edward aged the same way). Charles never really had good looks but he looked best in the early eighties.
Harry did not do himself any favors growing the scruffy beard. IMO
But I think Hewitt still has not aged well, maybe it is his lifestyle.
Quote from: dianab on May 17, 2017, 05:42:00 PM
Harry isnt handsome (or even nice-looking) at all
I think Harry facially is not bad looking at this stage he has some of Phillips features, whereas William is starting IMO to resemble the Duke of Kent. If you look close at Harry's frame though he has the same physique as Charles and William has the same physique as Phillip.
Harry's resemblance to a bearded Philip was pointed out by many when an early 1950's coloured photo of Prince Philip in naval uniform on a magazine cover resurfaced recently.
William resembled the Spencers as a teenager and very young man. If you look at the way William's face shape has changed in the last few years it's aquired the same rather slab like appearance as Charles's Spencer's.
Quote from: sandy on May 17, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
The Windsor men start out handsome (some of them that is) then the looks start to go. William was considered Drop Dead Gorgeous but then he started looking like a Windsor (Uncle Edward aged the same way). Charles never really had good looks but he looked best in the early eighties.
Harry did not do himself any favors growing the scruffy beard. IMO
Quote from: Trudie on May 17, 2017, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: dianab on May 17, 2017, 05:42:00 PM
Harry isnt handsome (or even nice-looking) at all
I think Harry facially is not bad looking at this stage he has some of Phillips features, whereas William is starting IMO to resemble the Duke of Kent. If you look close at Harry's frame though he has the same physique as Charles and William has the same physique as Phillip.
Harry is sort of a Philip and Johnnie Spencer mix, no?
Harry will be handsome IMO if he was the spitting image of Johnnie
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/E0MBC5/viscount-althorp-and-frances-roche-at-their-wedding-E0MBC5.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/a6/57/79a65729b7b0de38d0b99a2e86a05dda.jpg
Harry has the mannerisms of his maternal grandfather IMO
https://i.skyrock.net/8537/69708537/pics/2796981607_1_13_djxrDIRV.jpg
I think Harry, clean shaven, has a look of Johnnie S. It's hard to tell with black and white photos but I think Johnny had the red tinged brown hair and ruddy look of the Spencer family. It was somewhat dampened down in his case because his mother Cynthia was a blonde and father seemed to have had brown hair. Jane Fellowes was also much less gingery than her siblings. George McCorqudale, Harry's much younger red haired cousin, was a dead ringer for Harry as a teenager but the resemblance passed.
Talking about black and white photos and the 1950's, the clothing of the era and women's hairstyles, fashions and makeup didn't do anyone any favours. That bottom photo of Johnnie and Frances are of a couple in their thirties (Johnny) and twenties, probably early twenties, Frances. Frances could pass for thirty five by today's standards in that photo with no trouble at all. They both look unhappy. I wonder if it was taken around the time of their son's death?
Thankyou Sandy. Well, that makes it even worse! Frances is eighteen and because of hairstyle and clothing looks as if she's passed her thirtieth birthday. I've seen this phenomen before with old photos from earlier in the 20th century. British women in the 1950s seem particular victims of it. Those harsh tight perms, dark red lipstick etc., no really youthful ie teenage fashions.
QuoteREALLY? Harry has same small eyes (& same colour too) as Charles and Philip. And also rosacea as Charles
Absolutely agree that Harry closely resembles Charles and Phillip, but I believe when the ugly rumors first surfaced that Harry was still a child when their faces go through many changes. Also it didn't help that some conveniently overlooked that there were plenty of red heads in the Spencer family.
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Quote from: Curryong on May 18, 2017, 12:29:26 AM
Thankyou Sandy. Well, that makes it even worse! Frances is eighteen and because of hairstyle and clothing looks as if she's passed her thirtieth birthday. I've seen this phenomen before with old photos from earlier in the 20th century. British women in the 1950s seem particular victims of it. Those harsh tight perms, dark red lipstick etc., no really youthful ie teenage fashions.
It it shocking to think that she was still under twenty in those photos. For some reason I didn't see the same with American teens and young adults from that era.
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Quote from: sara8150 on May 17, 2017, 03:30:06 PM
Family of Princess Diana's Ex, James Hewitt, Says He Is 'Getting Better' After 'Heart Attack and Stroke'
Family of Princess Diana's Ex, James Hewitt, Says He Is 'Getting Better' After 'Heart Attack and Stroke' (http://people.com/royals/princess-diana-ex-james-hewitt-heart-attack-stroke/)
Thank you for sharing this
@sara8150.
^ I was just looking at the photo in your profile royalanthropologist and if you look at Harry and Charles side by side they appear to have the same profile and smile while I still think William resembles The Duke of Kent.
As far as I can see there were no "paternity" questions for either WIlliam or Harry...except by gossips or those who wrote "tabloid" style books.
William now resembles his Uncle Edward.
I've never believed the rumours that Harry was James's because of (a) the timelines, with Diana ensconced at Windsor that Christmas and then travelling with the Family to Sandringham for a shoot post Xmas, something that lasted a few days then. (Diana must have really loved that.) Sandringham was where Harry was supposedly conceived, so, unless James smuggled himself into the House there or Diana went out for a long drive one afternoon...
Also (b) James has rather small beady brown eyes. I get the feeling that if he had ever fathered any children they would have had them too. Also, when younger, James seems to have been very freckled as some redheads are. Harry has rosacea but not freckled patches on his face. James is also more auburn in the redhead department, while Harry is a ginger.
You all know I guess that when Beatrice and Dave Clark split last July Dave started dating a young New York advertising executive called Lynn Marie Anderson (I'm sure a very useful contact for an Uber executive.) Well, he's become engaged to Lynn, in Geneva apparently where they are on holiday. I was on Twitter last night when the news came through and a great deal of sympathy was shown towards Beatrice.
Princess Beatrice's ex gets engaged to his new girlfriend | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4523364/Beatrice-s-ex-gets-engaged-new-leggy-new-girlfriend.html)
Nobody knows the ins and outs of it of course because nobody's talking but many believe that Dave and Beatrice had a talk last year when rumours were rife about Eugenie and Jack becoming engaged and Dave wasn't very enthusiastic about getting married. They had been together ten years.
I think we all know a similar scenario among friends or family. Long, long courtship drifts along, man appears to be a commitment phobe, there's a split and the next thing you know the ex is heading up the altar with a new girlfriend. In this case Lynn might be pregnant, according to rumour.
I have to say that for years I had suspicions that Dave the Smiler enjoyed schmoozing foreign clients for Branson with a real live princess on his arm. After he moved to Uber that was no longer so important and the split came shortly afterwards. My suspicious mind! Could be very wrong of course. They say Beatrice is devastated but is remaining brave. She invested ten years of her life in him.
I don't think she'll ever be short of suitors. I thogh the last I heard of her, it was that she and he were getting engaged.
Princess Diana's former lover James Hewitt 'faces a month in hospital after suffering a heart attack and a stroke'
James Hewitt 'faces month in hospital' | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4526748/James-Hewitt-faces-month-hospital.html)
Poor guy. His association with Diana has brought him nothing but grief. I bet if he had to do it all over again, he would not have had an affair with her; let alone speak about it. I wish the tasteless media would leave him alone, even if he is dying. They have no business giving us a blow by blow account.
I doubt it. He is a greedy and selfish and stupid person. he grabbed at what Diana was offering, money wise and then wanted more. If he'd kept the affair discreet the media would not have knonw about him or written about him
I agree. I don't think he's through. He'll be giving interviews again soon.
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Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 21, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Poor guy. His association with Diana has brought him nothing but grief. I bet if he had to do it all over again, he would not have had an affair with her; let alone speak about it. I wish the tasteless media would leave him alone, even if he is dying. They have no business giving us a blow by blow account.
He did tasteless things. If he had not been so greedy, he could have kept the affair discreet, never commented about it much less cooperated with an author. He had many second chances but seemed to make a career about his association with Diana. I think he'll survive but will probably have to make adjustments to his lifestyle and diet so he does not relapse.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 21, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
Poor guy. His association with Diana has brought him nothing but grief. I bet if he had to do it all over again, he would not have had an affair with her; let alone speak about it. I wish the tasteless media would leave him alone, even if he is dying. They have no business giving us a blow by blow account.
I often wonder about that
@royalanthropologist I dont know though, maybe if someone could tell you before the fact how things would play out, maybe he'd have passed, but I would suspect being able to console and care for her at her lowest would be worth going through a lot of bother after the fact, but im far from objective on the matter. :crazylove: :brightside: but I dont think that was the main draw for him, though.
But I do agree on your depiction of how the association has affected his life, i know some have wished hed stayed quiet and he may not have played things the best, but I do find it interesting that his experience paralleled the experience Diana had with Charles. He was spurned, and thought a book would help him but in the end got a lot of blowback on it.
Sadly with Diana gone the media will pick him over clean, although I agree if he can make some money, he may help them out with that. The whole thing in Anna's article about him cooperating with the book to "set the public straight" on the loving nature of the affair was just so sad, didnt make him look very well, or her, for that matter, by that point seemed neither trusted the other, and were worried about who would control the narrative. Given that the Morton book was partly to deflect any blast from Gilbey and Hewitt, I could see why he might worry. Also im sure he was a little peeved to hear what she said about him. Its just sad it all degenerated to that point....
Well I do actually agree with Duch_Luver_4ever. It was not really Diana's fault that he was pushed over the coals. She did regret that he had exposed her in his silly biography but that was merely because he had complicated her narrative of the innocent wronged wife. Neither the establishment nor Diana wanted to attack James. Rather it is the people that wanted to fervently protect her and her memory that decided he was the enemy.
To me he seemed like a rather silly young man who had an affair with the Princess of Wales but was not quite clued into what was happening or the implications of that affair. He was rather startled that Prince Charles did not seem to mind the affair at all and was inviting him to royal events. To someone who is not used to upper class etiquette, they would not comprehend how a husband would not be jealous of his wife having an affair.
I remember one time when he expressed fears that he could be arrested for high treason. That just about showed his naivety. If the British government really wants to get rid of someone that is disturbing them, the last thing they would do is arrest him. Had they wanted to stop the Diana and James affair, they would have ruthlessly done so. The story of Mannake gave Diana warning enough that there could be serious consequences for any man that approached her without royal approval.
The truth of the matter is that James suited the purposes of the royal family to the T. He was the embarrassment that Diana did not want to be talked about and was simultaneously a way to get her out of Charles' life. They just did not count on Diana getting bored by the initially amusing affair. Even after she turned back to attacking Charles, nobody in the establishment was interested in James. He seemed to be falling from crisis to crisis and they just ignored him.
his behaviour may have suited the RF because it made Diana look vulgar and silly to have chosen a lover who was so awful.. but it didn't suit Diana. She was frightened of the affair becoming public knowledge as it might have turned the public against her. She was lucky that it was the 1990s, and people mostly forgave her and felt that one affair (which was all tat was "out" ) at first was understandabe when chalres was unfaithful and selfish and neglectful as a husband. but the disclosure of later affairs did make her seem wrose.
However Hewitt was clearly out for what he could get most of the time in the relationship, He let her buy him things. he was always itching to tell the press about the relationship, and hinting, parlty out of vanity I tink and partly out of a desire for money and "notice". Diana picked very badly.. Had she stuck to someone like OH and kept the affair within limits, ie not thinking of leaving her marriage to be with him, he would have kept thngs discreet and never considered talking to the press.
Amabel. It is precisely because Hewitt exposed Diana that he is mercilessly mocked and attacked by her fans, even when he appears to be dying. James Hewitt started the process of exposing the other side of the wrong wife narrative. I am sure if he had not come out of the closet (so to speak), there would be some Diana fans who would valiantly state that she never ever had an affair in her life.
You will see this pattern repeated again and again. Any man that challenges (even inadvertently like the Squiggygate tapes) the narrative of the wronged wife is attacked. Why did he pursue Diana? Why did he not discourage her from stalking him? Why did he cheat on his wife? Why is Charles not being blamed for Diana's mistakes, after all he was the cause of all her problems?
The pattern started right from Charles. He is blamed for proposing to her but she is not blamed for accepting. Charles is blamed for abandoning Diana; but Diana is not blamed for abandoning Hewitt. It is the man's fault. They should not have exposed Diana's foibles, only praised her to the high heavens. Even when Charles is silent; he is blamed for not speaking up as another facet of Diana is challenged by some writer. Collecting her body from Paris was not enough to satisfy the mob. They wanted him to be attacked at her funeral.
It is such fantasists who were ultimately responsible for making Diana miserable. They like to blame everybody (Charles, queen, royal family, Oliver Hoare, Burrel, Spencers etc.) when it is them that ensured Diana could never have a normal romantic life. Their obsessions turned her into a dangerous woman to love, know or be associated with. When Charles was married to Diana, they would rudely indicate that they did not want him on walkabouts. When he left, they complained that he was throwing his toys out of the pram.
It is those "obsessives" who have made Jame's life such a nightmare over the last few years, all because he had an affair with Diana and dared to speak about it. I know Hewitt has made many mistakes but he is not the villain in this story. He was used, abused, dumped and now harassed. Had he never met Diana, he would not have had all this grief surrounding him.
Hewitt did wrong. And I don't think it was from only Diana's fans that he is criticized. There are some who notice how someone trades on a love affair with a famous person for $$$$ and do not like it. Diana was still the wronged wife. Charles ditched her. She came into the marriage with no baggage and in good faith. Charles did not. Diana did not want to live like a nun for the rest of her life. She moved on. Charles is given a free pass for ditching his wife and knowing he did not love her when he married her. Sorry I don't see Hewitt as a victim, he was a grown man and made his own choices. How come men are made to look like helpless babies? If Hewitt did not want to be criticized, he could have kept his mouth shut. He put himself out there, it's on him.
I see the opposite, Diana critics blast her for accepting and give him a free pass for proposing. Especially since the man later told his biographer he married Diana when he preferred someone else.
Charles and Diana were MARRIED. Hewitt and Diana were not engaged (she was married) and could not get married unless Diana risked losing custody of the boys. Hewitt and Diana were both free to walk. So do you think a couple seeing each other should stay together always. That just is not realistic. Couples break up and they are free to do so. But you forget Diana and Charles were man and wife.
No there are no "fantasists" I wish you would stop labeling. Everybody is entitled to an opinion here. No there are no 'obsessives" either.
Jamie Boy made his own life a nightmare. He had no sense of right and wrong. He should have moved on and gotten a real job and stopped living off the time he saw Diana.
Quote from: amabel on May 22, 2017, 05:12:46 AM
his behaviour may have suited the RF because it made Diana look vulgar and silly to have chosen a lover who was so awful.. but it didn't suit Diana. She was frightened of the affair becoming public knowledge as it might have turned the public against her. She was lucky that it was the 1990s, and people mostly forgave her and felt that one affair (which was all tat was "out" ) at first was understandabe when chalres was unfaithful and selfish and neglectful as a husband. but the disclosure of later affairs did make her seem wrose.
However Hewitt was clearly out for what he could get most of the time in the relationship, He let her buy him things. he was always itching to tell the press about the relationship, and hinting, parlty out of vanity I tink and partly out of a desire for money and "notice". Diana picked very badly.. Had she stuck to someone like OH and kept the affair within limits, ie not thinking of leaving her marriage to be with him, he would have kept thngs discreet and never considered talking to the press.
The other men that Diana saw later on did not sell her out the way Hewitt did. Khan only spoke up because of the inquest. He never had any sort of book deal. Hoare neither confirmed or denied an affair. Carling denied the affair.
No HIS behavior did not make Diana look vulgar. Hewitt is the one who sold out and seemed to be motivated by greed and wanting to be famous (love had nothing to do with it apparently).
Diana was cut loose by Charles so there was some sympathy for her.
Quote from: royalanthropologist on May 22, 2017, 07:13:18 AM
Amabel. It is precisely because Hewitt exposed Diana that he is mercilessly mocked and attacked by her fans, even when he appears to be dying. James Hewitt started the process of exposing the other side of the wrong wife narrative. I am sure if he had not come out of the closet (so to speak), there would be some Diana fans who would valiantly state that she never ever had an affair in her life.
You will see this pattern repeated again and again. Any man that challenges (even inadvertently like the Squiggygate tapes) the narrative of the wronged wife is attacked. Why did he pursue Diana? Why did he not discourage her from stalking him? Why did he cheat on his wife? Why is Charles not being blamed for Diana's mistakes, after all he was the cause of all her problems?
The pattern started right from Charles. He is blamed for proposing to her but she is not blamed for accepting. Charles is blamed for abandoning Diana; but Diana is not blamed for abandoning Hewitt. It is the man's fault. They should not have exposed Diana's foibles, only praised her to the high heavens. Even when Charles is silent; he is blamed for not speaking up as another facet of Diana is challenged by some writer. Collecting her body from Paris was not enough to satisfy the mob. They wanted him to be attacked at her funeral.
It is such fantasists who were ultimately responsible for making Diana miserable. They like to blame everybody (Charles, queen, royal family, Oliver Hoare, Burrel, Spencers etc.) when it is them that ensured Diana could never have a normal romantic life. Their obsessions turned her into a dangerous woman to love, know or be associated with. When Charles was married to Diana, they would rudely indicate that they did not want him on walkabouts. When he left, they complained that he was throwing his toys out of the pram.
It is those "obsessives" who have made Jame's life such a nightmare over the last few years, all because he had an affair with Diana and dared to speak about it. I know Hewitt has made many mistakes but he is not the villain in this story. He was used, abused, dumped and now harassed. Had he never met Diana, he would not have had all this grief surrounding him.
I totally disagree with this entire post. There are other people not entirely Diana fans who also came out with their displeasure at Hewitt's behavior. As an officer he knew how unfavorable his indiscreet boasts and talking about his affair would be received. James came out with the book before Charles and Camilla's affair was out in the open and not merely speculated on. Hewitt knew he was getting involved with a married woman who couldn't at the time divorce her husband and that eventually it would end. Hewitt's greatest strength was his remaining silent and discreet as is the normal way the aristo's behave.
Moving on Diana accepted Charles proposal because she fell in love with him in all her 19 year immaturity while Charles proposed knowing that he didn't love her and declared that at the engagement interview with his "whatever in love means" Diana's foibles were exposed by Diana herself no need to raise her to sainthood. You claim that the people who wanted to see Diana were obsessive fans while not being happy with getting Charles on walkabouts. You need to remember Diana was the first POW since Queen Mary in the early part of the century before 1909 when she became Queen.
I for one thought is was honorable of Charles to go to Paris to bring Diana home but again I believe that was done more out of respect for his children who were too young to go themselves. However out of respect for William and Harry he should have made Diana non-negotiable after her death for the sake of William and Harry yet the woman who caused much sorrow to Diana was made non negotiable to try to raise her to sainthood. James was not used, abused nor harassed because of his affair or association with Diana it was the choices he made in the aftermath that hurt him and to be honest if the affair had not been with Diana but with another high-profile woman I believe he would have done it again to satisfy his ego and greed to make money without doing any kind of work. As for James Gilbey of squiggygate fame no one has bothered him for interviews nor vilified him as he maintained his dignity with discreet silence like Camilla who has never spoken about her affair with Charles it was Charles who brought his affair with Camilla into the open by opening admitting it in the Dimbleby interview on TV.
His book came out in 1994 - same year the Dimbleby book. Definitely after the TampanGate.
Before that, in 1992 he was outed for a ex-girlfriend who stole the letters that Diana had written to him and tried sell to a tabloid.
Hewitt himself never confirmed his involvement with Diana until 1994 with the book. There was some doubt about the ex's story, at t he time. A few years later he started trying to sell the letters himself but go no offers.
QuoteOf course the ironic thing about Diana mentioning about James book at all, was that she was to do much more harm to her image with the other men she was linked to either officially or unofficially, specifically Oliver Hoare and Will Carling. I think people were prepared to understand the affair with Hewitt, but it became harder for people to be ok with her potentially doing to other marriages what was done to hers. I think thats what did the most damage, and prompted the Panaorama interview, as even I was shaking my head at that time wondering what she was thinking.
:goodpost: I agree
@Duch_Luver_4ever as I believe most would understand her need to have a companion after the marriage to Charles had broken down. It was the relationships (friend or lover) iwth Hoare and Carling that were the ones that were more controversial.
I'd be interested in anyone's opinion on the following re: the York princesses & Pippa's wedding:
1. That Eugenie's bringing Jack along means they are close to being engaged?
2. That Bea wasn't there because it hurts too much (which is why she purportedly traveled to Cannes to be w/her mother?)
@DaFluffs 1. Yes I do believe that there will be an engagement between Eugenie and Jack.
2. Hard to say because I do not know how close James/Pippa are to Beatrice, but I could see her declining if she's feeling hurt by the recent news of Dave's engagement.
I agree with TLLK that Eugenie and Jack are moving towards an engagement. I'm sure they're committed to each other and I hope to see a wedding in the next year or so, though I have to say they seem happy as they are. Jack has escorted Eugenie to weddings in the past so I wouldn't put any special emphasis on the fact that Jack came to Pippa's nuptials.
As for Beatrice, we really don't know the circumstances of her breakup with Dave. However, he appeared with his new girl soon after the split. Beatrice probably didn't feel like going to a wedding with her sister and Jack after the news of Dave's engagement. She probably felt like a bit of sunshine in Cannes. It's a pity Dave and his fiancée have also turned up there, though.
I don't think there will be a Royal Wedding anytime soon - the York Princesses will probably wait a little longer to get married. Perhaps until after the Duke of York has managed to arrange some sort of role for them in the working side of the Monarchy.
I also agree with TLLK and Curryong that Eugenie and Jack are moving towards an engagement.
I doubt if they will have big weddings..
Andrew might insist on his daughters being able to use St George's Chapel, and I can see Beatrice complying with that. Eugenie I'm not so sure of. She's less keen on Royal life and people using her title or HRH. She may surprise everyone and have a destination wedding, in Switzerland perhaps, especially if her wedding occurs after her grandparents' deaths. Her cousins and other royals would attend, though. Both weddings would be covered by newspapers and magazines IMO, but they almost certainly won't be televised.
I think that Beatrice and Eugenie will opt for the traditional wedding site of St. George's Chapel. I also agree with
@Curryong that they'll not be televised but will be covered by the press like Peter and Zara's weddings.
If there is televised BRF wedding in the near future it will be Harry's. :)
(Because as tempting as it might be, I don't see him eloping to a destination wedding!) :crazylove:
I think that they will be modest, using a royal used church but not a huge crowd or TV or the like.
No harm in iehter of them, but I think that it is best that the RF is slimmed down, and less public.
Where there are magazines like People and Majesty, there will be interest in royal weddings no matter how scaled down.
It is surprising that Dave got engaged less than a year after the split.
Princess Beatrice's ex Dave Clark is engaged less than a year after split - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBC3FUAs7Sk)
Diana's 'Mr Wonderful' finally finds happiness 20 years after his affair with tragic princess - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/dianas-mr-wonderful-finally-finds-11552789)
This will be his second marriage and her first. :wub:
Good luck to him. Everybody deserves a bit of happiness, whatever your age.
I wish him well. Although his first marriage failed. Maybe he will have children of this marriage.
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Well he did marry someone of the same culture and the marriage still did not work.
Quote from: TLLK on November 20, 2017, 06:44:39 PM
Diana's 'Mr Wonderful' finally finds happiness 20 years after his affair with tragic princess - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/dianas-mr-wonderful-finally-finds-11552789)
This will be his second marriage and her first. :wub:
His 1rst marriage was with a cousin. And his 2nd marriage with a very young doctor woman. (when the diana inquest ended, DM showed pics of them together. and when was going on the Diana movie in press, he told DM his marriage to doctor woman had ended because his wife was very dedicated to her career and they were living apart in different cities) IIRC this new fiancee resembles the young doctor.
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Quote from: royalanthropologist on November 20, 2017, 06:50:42 PM
Good luck to him. Everybody deserves a bit of happiness, whatever your age.
You dont need to be married (a piece of paper) to be happy IMHO
Lets see if he can make a third person unhappy, i know my opinion is in the minority, but a man this foolish and careless doesnt deserve happiness.
In 1956 Antony Armstrong-Jones was commissioned to take the 21st birthday pictures of Prince Edward, Duke of Kent.
@Duch_Luver_4everi think he's just plainly a typical bachelor... and as a typical aged bachelor he likes them younger...
i think diana had grow tired of him few months before finally left him. he said when diana was back from SA he told him there wasnt enough security for them to live there. and her brother and her friends commented how she was thinking seriously about SA and she liked the privacy there...
I think some people are just not the marrying kind. Marriage is a tough cookie and at that age you are set in your ways. I would not want to pressurize anyone to get married unless they were absolutely ready. Otherwise it can be one hell of a ride.
Quote from: dianab on November 25, 2017, 01:38:35 PM
@Duch_Luver_4ever
i think he's just plainly a typical bachelor... and as a typical aged bachelor he likes them younger...
i think diana had grow tired of him few months before finally left him. he said when diana was back from SA he told him there wasnt enough security for them to live there. and her brother and her friends commented how she was thinking seriously about SA and she liked the privacy there...
agreed
@dianab SA would have been a decent place for her dream of living abroad, although I think she was a bit unrealistic about how much the press and all the hubub of being Diana would go away living out of the UK. It was a commonwealth-ish country, one the boys could reach easily for half term and other holiday visits, and give her easy access to international travel for her humanitarian works.
As for Hasnat, yes most men like women younger than they are, it usually takes men longer to establish themselves and thus their ultimate value to the opposite sex, compared to women whos main value is usually in their younger, most successful child bearing years, evolutionary psychology wise.
I guess ill always be angry at him for being so careless with Diana's heart, especially since in the beginning she gave it to him so unreservedly. Also the ultimate reason for him refusing "coming out" with her, marrying a traditional girl, failed so spectacularly, it made it seem doubly so that it was all for naught.
I hope he finds happiness with his new wife!
Do you think it was wise for Princess Diana to buy clothes for James Hewitt? Did Diana say she had dressed James from head to toe?
She did say that to Gilbey on their recorded call, it was not a very nice characterization of Hewitt considering she dropped him because he got stationed to Germany and he refused to let her jeopardize his army career by trying to interfere with the rotation. It sowed the seeds of her betrayal by him in the book Princess in Love.
I dont think buying the clothes was a wise or unwise act. It was likely an act of affection, but as she rashly got rid of him, she bemoaned the act. It might have also given him a taste for life above the paygrade of an army soldier, and might have made it more important to him to have money, which the book was a big inducement, so one could argue that was unwise, but so often we do things with the best of intentions only to have them come back to harm us in ways we dont foresee.
In that sense it may have been imprudent, but I think unwise is too harsh, she was too inexperienced and unwise herself to consider it a lapse in wisdom, but I think it was the expression of a pattern we'd see again in her life, of sabotaging her happiness.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on April 09, 2018, 01:07:34 AM
She did say that to Gilbey on their recorded call, it was not a very nice characterization of Hewitt considering she dropped him because he got stationed to Germany and he refused to let her jeopardize his army career by trying to interfere with the rotation. It sowed the seeds of her betrayal by him in the book Princess in Love.
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He was willing to take presents from her because he liked a luxurious life.. and he was willing to sell her out for the same reason.
He indeed sell her out. Hewitt and DIana split after he went to war but they had a reconciliation in 1991, then became friends, then Diana stopped seeing him completely. Couples part but it was no excuse for Hewitt to sell Diana out for $$$. He squandered all the book money (he wrote a sequel) and is living with his mother now. Hewitt did not hesitate to take gifts from Diana. He also wanted to sell her letters but there were no takers.
Diana not wanting to continue seeing him is no excuse for Hewitt selling her out.
They did break up in 1989 but reconciled in 1991.
Hewitt treated HER shabbily. She was punished for "exiling" him from her circle (they were not lovers after 1991 but were in the same circle). She stopped contacting him after ca. 1993-4.
He immediately retaliated and sold their story for the almighty dollar, then he wrote another book which did not sell as well as the first..
Any woman can split with a boyfriend without expecting nasty reprisals or abuse.
I think nobody wanted to go near those letters and some considered him a sleaze.
If Diana did it, I think you would have let her have it. But hewitt appears to be saintly to you.
He squandered the money he got from those books and is now broke.
Hewitt did not make himself popular selling her out.
Do you think a woman should be forced to stay with a partner for fear he do something for revenge? I call that abuse. Big Time. But we're talking Diana here and she is the "bad guy". You tube or no you tube. the facts are out there. And the time period was confirmed by Hewitt and Diana.
BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Timeline: War in the Gulf (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/861164.stm)
17 October: Western troops in the Gulf number 200,000 US troops, 15,000 UK troops and 11,000 French troops.
They talked BEFORE he was to deploy to the gulf aka before Oct 1990!!!! She stopped calling him after the News of the World story came out, so it was more like a couple years earlier than 93-94. AS usual, your info's all wrong.
You can split with someone without expecting reprisals, if you do it decently. Im not saying she should have been forced to stay with him, but if you treat someone like $hit dont be surprised if some comes back on you. Thats what Diana did
Im not saying Hewitt is saintly, just that hes not the cardboard villain hes made out to be, and Diana the virtuous saint. Here was someone who severely damaged someones car for standing her up, had Gilby wanted she could have been prosecuted as the damage even back then was in the thousands. So shes no stranger to acting rashly to romantic disappointments. Imagine what shed have done to him if the shoe was on the other foot and he dropped her like that.
I read various books including Sarah Bradford's. She said they reconciled in 1991. I stand by my post. It was a few years after that, that Hewitt was dropped from her circle (even though they were not lovers then).
decently? So she was not doing this "decently"? She broke up with him. She dropped him from her circle. But he got "revenge" and $$$ which he squandered.
Hewitt I think was greedy. That appeared to have been his downfall. He hawked those letters that nobody wanted to buy from him. He made a fool of himself on TV going under "hypnosis" and being filmed for TV in a bathtub (and drunk).
Diana was no saint but she did not deserve what he did.
Diana in 1989 asked Charles if they could reconcile and have another baby. So that was a time when she was not "seeing" Hewitt. Charles refused her.
Gilbey did not charge her with anything so it's a moot point. She did not have a "romance" with Gilbey pre Charles.
Hewitt was a cad.
He was not a good guy. Clothes bought fiorvhim by her or him fir her, so what
Hewitt will be rearing his ugly big egghead. Soon
May 17 to May 20, Hewitt will be seeking out any sleaze reporters for cash as well as being sought out by the sleaze ones with stories..
If he had s son, he wish it could have been Harry.
Hewitt wishes all the best to Prince Harry.
Hweitts Thoughts of How Proud Diana Would Have Been Of Harry .
Hewitt, Meghan? s half brother and half sister will be speaking for some some cash until the day they each die. You would think, even sleaze reporters and rag mags would not even go after these no body?s.
Quote from: sandy on April 23, 2018, 07:26:00 PM
I read various books including Sarah Bradford's. She said they reconciled in 1991. I stand by my post. It was a few years after that, that Hewitt was dropped from her circle (even though they were not lovers then).
decently? So she was not doing this "decently"? She broke up with him. She dropped him from her circle. But he got "revenge" and $$$ which he squandered.
Hewitt I think was greedy. That appeared to have been his downfall. He hawked those letters that nobody wanted to buy from him. He made a fool of himself on TV going under "hypnosis" and being filmed for TV in a bathtub (and drunk).
Diana was no saint but she did not deserve what he did.
Diana in 1989 asked Charles if they could reconcile and have another baby. So that was a time when she was not "seeing" Hewitt. Charles refused her.
Gilbey did not charge her with anything so it's a moot point. She did not have a "romance" with Gilbey pre Charles.
Well since the link i have is James Hewitts own words, id say that trumps Sarah Bradford, as much as i like her, he said they got together before he deployed to the gulf which would have been 1990. Diana didnt break up with him, she ghosted him after the news of the world story.
1989 has nothing to do with the topic, but on the topic in Story of a Princess, Hewitt does say there was a time she wanted to make things work with Charles when she was seeing Hewitt.
Deserve? thats a speculative thing, while I wished she didnt have to go through that, one can understand more the motivation behind it, and that it wasnt the totally innocent blindsiding she made it out to be at the time.
Its not a moot point, it shows that she was capable of being mean if romantically betrayed, so if ones going to live by the sword, they have to be ready to die by it, so to speak.Gilbey and Diana had several romantic, candlelit dinners together, he was her most serious romance, pre Charles(as to them sleeping together, I doubt that, but the lack of sex doesn't mean there isnt romance). Otherwise it would paint her as very mentally imbalanced if shed do that to someone she had no feeling for upon being stood up :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on April 23, 2018, 08:08:36 PM
Hewitt was a cad.
He was not a good guy. Clothes bought fiorvhim by her or him fir her, so what
Hewitt will be rearing his ugly big egghead. Soon
May 17 to May 20, Hewitt will be seeking out any sleaze reporters for cash as well as being sought out by the sleaze ones with stories..
If he had s son, he wish it could have been Harry.
Hewitt wishes all the best to Prince Harry.
Hweitts Thoughts of How Proud Diana Would Have Been Of Harry .
Hewitt, Meghan? s half brother and half sister will be speaking for some some cash until the day they each die. You would think, even sleaze reporters and rag mags would not even go after these no body?s.
:goodpost: Yes, I thought of him when they mentioned James as a potential baby name for K&W new son, I thought....ummm I dont think theyre going to want that name bandied about , for sure Harry would never dream id imagine naming a son that!!
Princess in Love. Terrible movie. *shudders* :orchid:
Havent seen it...... however, Story of a Princess, is the best biography/documentary of Diana's life story, with Nat Geo's doc a close second.
Sarah Bradford's IMO is the best.
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Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on April 23, 2018, 08:43:55 PM
Well since the link i have is James Hewitts own words, id say that trumps Sarah Bradford, as much as i like her, he said they got together before he deployed to the gulf which would have been 1990. Diana didnt break up with him, she ghosted him after the news of the world story.
1989 has nothing to do with the topic, but on the topic in Story of a Princess, Hewitt does say there was a time she wanted to make things work with Charles when she was seeing Hewitt.
Deserve? thats a speculative thing, while I wished she didnt have to go through that, one can understand more the motivation behind it, and that it wasnt the totally innocent blindsiding she made it out to be at the time.
Its not a moot point, it shows that she was capable of being mean if romantically betrayed, so if ones going to live by the sword, they have to be ready to die by it, so to speak.Gilbey and Diana had several romantic, candlelit dinners together, he was her most serious romance, pre Charles(as to them sleeping together, I doubt that, but the lack of sex doesn't mean there isnt romance). Otherwise it would paint her as very mentally imbalanced if shed do that to someone she had no feeling for upon being stood up :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
:goodpost: Yes, I thought of him when they mentioned James as a potential baby name for K&W new son, I thought....ummm I dont think theyre going to want that name bandied about , for sure Harry would never dream id imagine naming a son that!!
I read Hewitt's interviews.It pretty much meshes with Bradford's account.
There is a James in the royal family, William's own cousin. Hewitt has nothing to do with it.
You say it has nothing to do with the topic. Which does not make it so. I disagree.
DId you hope GIlbey pressed charges/? To me it's a moot point. It's over and done with and he did not press charges.
Diana was NOT mentally unbalanced and Gilbey never accused of her being so. JUnor did though. How interesting you follow that train of thought.
Diana did not have "serious" relationships pre Charles. She went on dates. If she had a serious relationship, Charles would not have gone near her. He wanted someone with no past. Dates can be candlelit dinners. None of the men she dated said they had sex. One wanted to get serious but she didn't. THe man said so.
Hewitt had a fiancee for a short time so he had "moved on." But there could be something not right about him because the woman ditched him. Maybe he could have punished her some way too.
His suitability as a role model is not relevant to the conversation.
I never said Hewitt was anything to Edward, you were the one saying one of W's cousins being named James was no big deal. The issue at hand is whether or not William would want his son to be named for the guy most famous for banging his mom, im guessing its a no, but thats just me.
1989 has nothing to do with 1990 which is when D&J got together again, not 1991
Not saying I wanted her put in jail for the car thing, what I am saying is her doing that & reasons for it contradicts your assertion about them, for your idea to be correct, shed have to be mentally unstable as normal people dont go around doing that to people they have little to no feelings about. Also as a car dealer I doubt he forgot about it, like most men he had stars in his eyes for her, as Gilbeygate proved.
Hes not given a free pass, I've just pointed out that he had reasons other than the tired old narrative that hes a hellspawn or some such and Diana was just sweetness and light towards him and had nothing to do with what was visited on her. Im not demonizing her, im just pointing out the areas where she acted less than what was portrayed at the time.
It wasnt a falling out the first time,it was he was being stationed and rather than taking it like anyone else would she had a hissy fit that he wouldnt be at her beck and call and ghosted him when it could have been worked out like so many other service men and their wives/girlfriends/etc. she had joked about being an army wife on weekends at his mothers cottage in Devon, well part of that is him being on deployment.
Im glad youve got the timeline more correct finally for the second time they were together. I dont have issues with the gilby thing only the way you were describing it made Diana out to be mentally unstable damaging the car of someone they had no feelings for over a minor thing, thats the issue I had, you constantly try to skate Diana out of any responsibility for anything and often make her look worse in the process. Even Morton mentioned that Diana had issues with accepting responsibility for her actions in the doc about her year off.
Quote from: Duch_Luver_4ever on April 23, 2018, 10:40:56 PM
Unless Bradford interviews Hewitt like these authors did, Im going with them. A cousin being named it is one thing, im sure W&H dont want a child named after their mum's most notorious lover, do you think they want that?
How does 1989 and D wanting a child with Charles have anything to do with Diana and Hewitt starting up again in 1990 before he went to the Gulf? Just more cases of you either trying to pick a fight with me or to say the sky is plaid.
No, im suggesting that you are saying she'd mentally unbalanced, because youre saying Gilbey meant nothing to her, well would a rational person do that to the car of someone that meant nothing to them? Im trying to highlight that when for the sake of argument you try and contradict me, you make Diana's situation worse, not better.
QuoteDiana in 1989 asked Charles if they could reconcile and have another baby. So that was a time when she was not "seeing" Hewitt. Charles refused her.
Diana NEVER EVER said that. Funny to you it's not hersay, speculation whatever.
Indeed there are letters of hers to Hewitt in this period saying to him she never loved a man so much. And later she was saying to James Gilbey that Charles made her life a living hell and she definitely will leave him behind. In Morton book, it's repeated a story was written in tabloids in late 1980s, as the Spencers were telling her try for 3rd child instead of going to divorce route.
Quote
Gilbey did not charge her with anything so it's a moot point. She did not have a "romance" with Gilbey pre Charles.
He surely was million of times better looking than Charles EVER was... if he hadnt left she expecting for him maybe they'll have had a romance and it'll surely would have saved her life
Diana yearned for a third child - how she would have savoured this moment | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5649577/Diana-yearned-child-savoured-moment.html)
Interesting timing for this article
Since they'd stopped sleeping together in 1987, I doubt any talk if it occurred in 1989, was just wishful thinking on her part. While they had their so called "second honeymoon" that was likely more press massaging as things were crumbling apart. I still remember them trying to paper over the separate suites on the India trip in 92.
Her only hope for a third was ASAP after Harry, but as she said it was a miracle they had Harry (their closeness a few months before his birth notwithstanding, 85/86 was the only window she really had with Charles). If she could have gotten him to just donate the sperm, that could have worked as well, but would have raised too many questions about their health, etc. if they went that route.
There are stories (Christopher Andersen among the authors) that Charles asked Camilla if he should have a third baby with Diana and Camilla said no.
1991 was the second honeymoon cruise--Wharfe wrote that Diana stayed away from Charles and kept to herself while Charles put in ship to shore calls to Camilla. No chance for more babies then.
Found this photo:
Charles & Diana second Honeymoon 1991 | Princess Diana | Pinterest | Diana, Princess diana and Princess (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/156781630750848490/)
Quote from: dianab on April 24, 2018, 12:44:31 PM
Diana NEVER EVER said that. Funny to you it's not hersay, speculation whatever.
Indeed there are letters of hers to Hewitt in this period saying to him she never loved a man so much. And later she was saying to James Gilbey that Charles made her life a living hell and she definitely will leave him behind. In Morton book, it's repeated a story was written in tabloids in late 1980s, as the Spencers were telling her try for 3rd child instead of going to divorce route.
He surely was million of times better looking than Charles EVER was... if he hadnt left she expecting for him maybe they'll have had a romance and it'll surely would have saved her life
Her biographers said she did. Never say Never. She told her friends about wanting another "baby on board.:"
Diana always said she wanted a daughter. She was still young when Charles decided he did not want more children with her. Her friend Rosa Monckton said Diana wanted a little girl and Diana wanted a second family. Which she never got.
I never ever read the Spencers told her to have another child. Diana adored children and babies and had worked with them before she married Charles.
Hewitt lost his looks and he looks very seedy now. He was and is not pretty on the inside IMO. Are you talking about Gilbey or Hewitt diana, which one is handsomer than Charles.
Diana did say she "adored him" to Bashir but was "let down." No disputing that she loved him but he had betrayed her with cooperating with the book.
todays article gives some insight on Diana's wish for a daughter, which is pretty much agreed on, she even had a name picked out,(even if it was the name of an allergy medication LOL) the issue was the men on the other side not being up for it, or in a position to do so.
She did love Khan very much so I dont doubt shed have wanted one with him, again I have a lot of issues with his careless use of her heart, her wanting a child with him, the ultimate expression of that. Not to mention his selfish, foolish nature to string her along when he knew from the beginning he wasnt willing to step into the limelight.
IDK if the Spencers ever told her that either, one gets the impression they wernt a font of advice for her, even in the best of times. Its a pretty common idea to have another baby to try and fix a marriage, many youngest children are born that way.
I cant speak for dianab but I took it to mean Gilbey was more handsome than Charles, and yes, had she chosen him, it would have likely saved her life, although one never knows would have been a whole different series of events would have happened to her, could have slipped on ice, choked on some food, etc. but at least much of the mental anguish she went though would have been avoided.
However, I do think shed have been bored with Gilbey and likely felt something was missing, also the amount of good she could do in the world would have been much less. I dont want to take on messianic tones here, but in a way her suffering while bad for her, she put it to good use for the wider world in a way I dont think shed have done as a bored indoor cat of a wife, planning lunches and afterschool activities for her kids, the odd trip to France for holidays or something.
Stephen Barry in his book did say Diana told him she wanted "lots of babies." This was early on in the Wales marriage. She adored children.
Gilbey and Diana did not fall in love apparently. If they had, she'd no longer be a candidate for royal bride.
Considering he stood her up, he felt he could do better, or wanted a girl who would be a bit shall we say, faster.
Quote from: sandy on April 24, 2018, 01:32:22 PM
I never ever read the Spencers told her to have another child. Diana adored children and babies and had worked with them before she married Charles.
then you dont read the morton book, i'm talking about 1992 edition.
QuoteHer biographers said she did.
they said lots of things you're always saying are speculation, hearsay, just diana knows, there's no proof et al
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QuoteI cant speak for dianab but I took it to mean Gilbey was more handsome than Charles, and yes, had she chosen him, it would have likely saved her life, although one never knows would have been a whole different series of events would have happened to her, could have slipped on ice, choked on some food, etc. but at least much of the mental anguish she went though would have been avoided.
However, I do think shed have been bored with Gilbey and likely felt something was missing, also the amount of good she could do in the world would have been much less. I dont want to take on messianic tones here, but in a way her suffering while bad for her, she put it to good use for the wider world in a way I dont think shed have done as a bored indoor cat of a wife, planning lunches and afterschool activities for her kids, the odd trip to France for holidays or something.
yes, i was talking about gilbey... BTW the man she was bored with was charles IMO, that since the honeymoon she being his friends, family and his own lifestyle
i think gilbey fitted the sort of man she appeared to be attracted to. My point if they'd got involved in 1980, charles wouldnt have courted her as she wouldnt be anymore a virgin... obviously her life would have been saved. probably windsors would have been gone in a few years, as they were being seen since 1970s as a out of touch, irrelevant bunch
dianab I read various editions of the Morton book. Diana loved children and would have wanted more. Stephen Barry said the young bride Diana told him she's like lots of babies with Prince Charles. The Spencers would not "tell her" to have more children. I read Frances' biography and she never mentioned anything like that.
There's also no proof either way, Dianab.
Meghan Markle's former husband Trevor has listed as co-producer or executive producer for the following: Trevor Engelson - IMDb (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0257333/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm)
His most recent television work includes "Snowfall" and "Heathers."
Meghan met Trevor in 2004 and they began dating in that year. Considering that the list in the link you provided only goes back to 2006 what body of high-profile work did Trevor have behind him that would make a so-called totally ambitious fame-w***e attach her hooks into him? Especially as Trevor was already in his late twenties in that year.
High profile? :shrug: All I can see is that according to his Linkedin profile, he was starting a production company in 2001-Underground Films.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/trevor-engelson-b75a803
Well, the argument made by others is that Meghan was with Trevor because of her ambition. Yes, he still has that company. It was inactive for a long time. I believe he was a production assistant for some years in the early 2000s.
Here is the rest of what I could find about Mr. Engelson.
Trevor Engelson Wiki - married, wife, child, height, net worth (http://ans-wer.com/biography/trevor-engelson.html)
Thanks, TLLK. A nice steady career in lots of ways. Nothing earth shattering though. And the couple were together for nine years. Nothing there that shows that Meghan made a beeline for this man in 2004 because he could take her places. They were in love.
Yes, anyone starting in the entertainment industry as an adult, would know that it takes years of work often starting from the ground up. Trevor appears to have been an uncredited assistant on other projects in the early 2000's so that might be why some work is not accounted for on the IMDB site.
They were two people in the same industry so they would understand the environment and culture of the LA area film/tv world. Also Meghan would have known plenty of those who worked off camera from her afternoons on the set of "Married with Children." I believe that most of us have little knowledge of how many people are involved in the off camera work.
At some point in the later 2000's Trevor seems to have gained some financial stability that offered the couple the opportunity to travel when they were still together: Greece, Vietnam etc... Meghan was still just a couple of years away from Suits and was probably starting to question her career choice. However at some point in the relationship his careers seems to have taken a bit of a dip when she won the part of Rachel on Suits. However it does seem that now he's involved in producing two TV series and other work that is in post-production.
QuoteSweet gesture Prince Harry's ex Chelsy Davy gave Meghan Markle as she showed there were no hard feelings at royal wedding booze-up
Sweet gesture Prince Harry's ex Chelsy Davy gave Meghan Markle as she showed there were no hard feelings at royal wedding booze-up - Mirror Online (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/sweet-gesture-prince-harrys-ex-12569483)
Other royal reporters have confirmed the above.
It wasn't more than a week ago that a columnist in the Fail was reporting that Chelsy was cut up about not being invited to the evening reception and trying to get in touch with Harry to find out why. Another pile of bs from the DM then!
I've never been interested in the nitty gritty of the breakup between James Hewitt and Diana, just the outline of their affair. However, on another forum something was mentioned about the cache of letters Diana had written to James which he had obviously kept.
Simone Simmons's book in 2003 apparently says that James kept hassling Diana about these letters and threatening to disclose them unless she paid over large sums of money. She grew terrified of his persistence (her lawyers were in the final throes of the divorce settlement with Charles at the time) but didn't dare put him off by not returning his calls.
According to this book she eventually realised that she was going to have to pay James off. He wanted ?250,000 and she agreed. She went over to Spain, where James wanted the money handed over, with the cash but James didn't turn up. According to Diana this was because of the papparazi.
He never got this money, and after her death Hewitt tried to sell the letters on the open market, as we know. However, I didn't know James had stooped to blackmail in his attempts to gain wealth. He's even more of a weasel than I thought. So much for his broken heart!
I woudlnt' take Simone Simmons as gospel. OTOH, Hewitt is such a sleazy git that I woudnt' be too surprised that he threatened Di with the letters..
Yes, Hewitt became pure sleaze when he saw those $$$$ of making money out of his relationship with a famous person. HE lived off wealthy women after he broke up with Diana.
Trevor Engleson is now engaged to his girlfriend Tracey Kurland.
Meghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson proposes to Tracey Kurland two weeks after royal wedding | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5798469/Meghan-Markles-ex-husband-Trevor-Engelson-proposes-Tracey-Kurland-two-weeks-royal-wedding.html)
I'm putting this post in the 'gift' thread because I was thinking about this the other day. We know that Diana got a lot of bling on the occasion of her State wedding, especially from the BRF (Queen, Duke, QM) and the rulers of the Gulf States.
Diana got a certain amount of jewellery from Charles during the course of the marriage, a charm bracelet, a signet ring with the POW feathers on it (which I don't believe she wore much if at all) and a push present of a gold and diamonds necklet and disc with 'William' engraved on it in Charles's handwriting. (Why do these presents seem as much about him as they were for her?) Not much else, I think, and that source dried up in about 1986/87. (Didn't Diana say of him once, 'Mr Generosity, he is not!')
But, does anyone know if Diana's later lovers bought her any personal jewellery? Hewitt wouldn't have, unless it was with her money, lol, but what about Hasnet or Hey Big Spender Dodi? I can imagine Dodi buying Diana a flashy necklace or bracelet. Or even Hoare? If they did, I wonder what became of those pieces.
dodi wasn't rich enough to buy anyting, since his life was all unpaid bills. If he did buy her antyign, which it seems he didn't, it was really his father's money. I doubt if O Hoare bought her anyting since his money was his wife's..
I believe Dodi threw his father's money about like confetti when the old chap OKd it, (or more likely via credit card) and his son treating the Prss of Wales to a flashy bracelet or necklace she would have worn later would have made MEF's eyes light up, I think. Of the three lovers mentioned I think Dodi would have been the most likely to splash out, though Hasnet might have bought something discreet like a locket, perhaps.
Hasnet as a successful surgeon would have probably gifted Diana bling but it would be more low key. A locket would probably have been something he would have given her or a bracelet or ring.
^^^Or perhaps a traditional piece of jewelry from his native Pakistan might have been a lovely present for Diana to wear.
I doubt that Diana would have ever have worn anything from Oliver in public and IMO he would have likely gifted her with some artwork.
I think Oliver H. was a cheapskate with whatever money he had (outside his wife's income). I doubt Diana got any gifts from him.
Quote from: Curryong on June 11, 2018, 05:26:47 AM
I believe Dodi threw his father's money about like confetti when the old chap OKd it, (or more likely via credit card) and his son treating the Prss of Wales to a flashy bracelet or necklace she would have worn later would have made MEF's eyes light up, I think. Of the three lovers mentioned I think Dodi would have been the most likely to splash out, though Hasnet might have bought something discreet like a locket, perhaps.
really don't see what the point of this is. It was unlikely that any of Di's lovers would have given her anything other than small gifts she could wear privately. And Dodi's money wasn't his own, so it was harly him buying anything
Quote from: Curryong on June 11, 2018, 01:48:48 AM
Didn't Diana say of him once, 'Mr Generosity, he is not!
Another very telling statement about how they operated at entirely different wavelengths. Charles can be generous (he gives Camilla everything she asks for). His stinginess with Diana was an indicator the deterioration of their relationship as a couple.
I also think the queen was relieved that they did not give her more jewels otherwise we would have the spectacle of her successor in the role having to wear the same jewels (accompanied by fury from her fans).
I don't see that Charles was ungenerious to Diana, we don't know exacty what private presents he bought her and in later years, she was not disposed to be fair to him.. so he might have well given her plenty of stuff,but when she started to complain about hm, she wasn't going to admit that. And I thought that Diana said (re Dodi) that she didn't want expensive gifts from a man, she wanted love.. so why complain tht Charles didn't give her "enough jewellery"?? as for the jewels Diana wore, many of them were loans from the royal collecition so its likely that now that Camilla is Di's successor, she wil be wering some of the same jewels.
I remember some broach or something and people were hyperventilating about it. Camilla continued to wear it nevertheless....lol :hehe: I understand they are actually two broaches. One was for Princess Mary and the other was for Princess Alexandra but the reaction from the "super fans" was just OTT as per usual.
I can only imagine these forums if she wore the loversknot. Some people would need some serious grief counselling to cope. My suspicion that there is so much in the royal collection that Camilla won't wear any piece previously worn by Diana (although her position entitles her to all of them eventually). Also since W&H now have beautiful young wives, the Diana pieces would suit them better. She never wore the huge architectural pieces that Camilla favors, partly because she was so young at the time.
You are quite right Amabel that Diana went into that bitter ex wife mode where everything about Charles was bad but she could not quite bring herself to let go of him. So the woman that did not want jewels then complained about an allegedly stingy husband.
About Dodi, I am sure he would shower her with jewelry as long as she played along with MAF schemes of entry into the aristocracy. Hewitt was too broke to give her anything of value. Hoare was rich but it would be too embarrassing to give her anything. Carling does not sound to me like the gift-bearing type. It was more a physical thing. Manake was just a servant so it would be out of his reach.
her lovers were nearly all secret romances so they were hardly going to give her anything beyond a small gift that she could use privately. It would be highly inappropriate to do anyting else.. And Dodi would be doing it with his father's money and on his father's say so.. so IMO that hardly counts as "gift giving". IN addition, Diana did complain to Rosa Montckton that Dodi embarrassed her by talking of the presents he was giving her.. because she didn't want him to give her expensive things, but his love and company.
Hewitt wasn't well off enough to give her anything much, he was the one taking stuff from her..
As for Charles, he gave her some private gifts, which were things she woudl wear in private not on public occasons.. and if she did't like to be "showered with wealth" by men, I dont know why she woudl complain that Charles wasn't generous enough..
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Quote from: sandy on June 11, 2018, 05:07:47 PM
I think Oliver H. was a cheapskate with whatever money he had (outside his wife's income). I doubt Diana got any gifts from him.
any evidence for this? I don't believe that anything has ever been written bout him suggesting he was a "cheapskate?"
Quote from: sandy on June 12, 2018, 07:03:34 PM
Oh please, DIana's been dead for over 20 years and her ex and his second wife still go whining to Junor about "their lot." They are the ones who don't let go.
How do you know what Camilla "asks for?" Or if he gives her everything she wants.
I think both C&C have a lot more to do with their life and time than spend it writing repetitive bile about perfect strangers on internet forums. They are not the ones whining, it is the deluded obsessives who will not let go of the fairy tale.
I know because she has never ever called him "Mr. Generous, he is not". Camilla has some beautiful things and is indulged in many ways. Charles is an attentive, supportive and loving husband to her. Ditto for her. I have never ever seen or heard anything to suggest that there have any major problems. Just their enemies looking to cause trouble.
Quote from: amabel on June 13, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
Thats not waht I asked. I asked if it was wrong to use or need a spin doctor, why did Diana engage one?
Considering the fallout from the War of the Wales, I can understand why Charles, Diana and Camilla all required the assistance that one could bring to start repairing their reputations. IMHO none of them could be proud of the things they did and said to each other privately or in public. :no: Unfortunately their relatives, children, staff and colleagues had also deal with some of the repercussions as well.
Quote from: amabel on June 13, 2018, 07:00:27 PM
Thats not waht I asked. I asked if it was wrong to use or need a spin doctor, why did Diana engage one?
Please define
Spin doctor.
Britta Kristiansen on Instagram: ?You know I love a great maxidress for summer - and this is a great one! Chelsy Davy looking fab in this BA&SH cutout (https://www.instagram.com/p/BkS7rs1FUDF/?tagged=summerparty)
Yeah, Chels does look lovely. Sorry to see she appears to have had a bit of work done on her face though!
Princess Beatrice's ex Dave Clark marries Lynn Anderson in Italy | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5932841/Princess-Beatrices-ex-Dave-Clark-marries-Lynn-Anderson-Italy.html)
QuotePrincess Beatrice's ex-boyfriend Dave Clark has married Lynn Anderson in a lavish Italian wedding over the weekend.
Dave, 33, who dated Beatrice for ten years before their split in 2016, said his I dos at a lavish beach side wedding in Puglia,Italy on Saturday.
The couple, who have been dating for two years, said their vows in front of an all-star guest list including the likes of model Sara Sampaio and Ashton Kutcher.
Google executive and old friend of Dave, Eric Schmidt was also in attendance and appeared to have a prominent role in the ceremony as he stood by the couple at the altar
It was probably a bitter-sweet moment for Beatrice. However, Smiler Dave always struck me as self-serving and a bit slimy. I'm sure there is someone out there for Bea.
Yes, that's got to be hard to hear about. Only 2 short years after their relationship ended.
SEBASTIAN SHAKESPEARE: Diana?s most debonair lover Oliver Hoare dies | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6153061/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Dianas-debonair-lover-Oliver-Hoare-dies-aged-73.html)
He also friend of Prince of Wales
As all the comments are saying he sure was a very handsome gentleman! RIP
Oliver Hoare dead - Princess Diana's art dealer lover dies aged 73 in France (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/7226347/oliver-hoare-dead-princess-diana-art-dealer-lover-dies-aged-73-france/)
He made a practice of "comforting" unhappily married women. He was involved with another woman pre Diana; the other woman's husband fathered a child with another woman. So now Hoare will never be able to confess all about the nature of the relationship with Diana. It went with him to his grave.
I'm still waiting for proof there actually was an affair. The only public pictures of them together were ascot and Charles was much in evidence unlike other pictures of men linked to Diana were Charles was never around.
Quote from: dianab on September 11, 2018, 12:19:16 AM
As all the comments are saying he sure was a very handsome gentleman! RIP
IMO he was a very handsome man. Condolences to his wife, their children, his friends and colleagues.
^^^^Twenty plus years after their affair and twenty one years after her death, I see no reason why he would have wanted to discuss it with the press. :shrug: It's a shame that others (Hewitt, Burrell, Warfe) didn't respect her privacy in the same way that Oliver Hoare did. :no:
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Islamic art dealer Oliver Hoare passes away at 73 (https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2018/islamic-art-dealer-oliver-hoare-passes-away-at-73/)
Quote from: TLLK on September 11, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
IMO he was a very handsome man. Condolences to his wife, their children, his friends and colleagues.
I thought his looks were a litlte flashy and obvious.. It was rather a surprise to hear that he had died...
Quote from: TLLK on September 11, 2018, 09:08:42 PM
^^^^Twenty plus years after their affair and twenty one years after her death, I see no reason why he would have wanted to discuss it with the press. :shrug: It's a shame that others (Hewitt, Burrell, Warfe) didn't respect her privacy in the same way that Oliver Hoare did. :no:
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Islamic art dealer Oliver Hoare passes away at 73 (https://www.antiquestradegazette.com/news/2018/islamic-art-dealer-oliver-hoare-passes-away-at-73/)
I daresay his wife didn't want him giving interiviews about "my affair with Diana" and he was well off enough not to feel he needed the money.. and I hope gentlemanly enough not to want to publicise the affair.. for her sake
Finally an obituary that actually focuses upon the man's influence in the art world rather than his affair with the late Princess of Wales.
QuotePerhaps his best-known deal was the exchange, in 1994 on behalf of the Iranian government, of the Willem de Kooning painting Woman III for the ?Houghton? Shahnameh (Book of the Kings), a set of 16th century miniatures illustrating the 11th century Persian epic poem.
Kjeld v Folsach, museum director of the David Collection, said Hoare was ?the Islamic art world?s most influential art dealers ? if not the most influential ? until he passed away.
?I can hardly think of any important collection - public as well as private - where he hasn?t been involved at some point, and in some cases he has been the major formative force.?
Folsach added: ?An evening spent in Oliver?s company was never boring but highly enjoyable and inspiring. Luckily for me I had many them over the years, and as the objects he sold to our museum, these evenings can be compared to pearls on a string.?
Neither commented on the nature of the "affair."
I did not like his looks.
^that dont change the facts
Quote from: amabel on September 12, 2018, 03:37:19 AM
I thought his looks were a litlte flashy and obvious.. It was rather a surprise to hear that he had died...
He died from cancer, but the articles didn't disclose the type that he had been afflicted with. I was actually surprised to read that he was three years older than Charles.
Quote from: TLLK on September 13, 2018, 04:22:08 AM
He died from cancer, but the articles didn't disclose the type that he had been afflicted with. I was actually surprised to read that he was three years older than Charles.
Yes I thought of him as being only a little older than her. of course because she died so young its hard to realise that she would now be middle aged.
Quote from: sandy on September 12, 2018, 06:25:34 PM
Neither commented on the nature of the "affair."
No because generally people don't talk about an illicit relationship, if its going to harm the reputation of one of htem.. Hoare didn't need money, and he was a gentleman... Besides I would guess that his wife did not want him to talk about the affair and as we know she had the money....
I agree
@amabel. For the Hoares, their family life had already been disrupted enough so why exacerbate the situation by publicly speaking about it. As for Diana, she acknowledged her relationship with Hewitt but likely didn't see the need to do so regarding Oliver Hoare.
Quote from: amabel on September 13, 2018, 07:14:24 AM
No because generally people don't talk about an illicit relationship, if its going to harm the reputation of one of htem.. Hoare didn't need money, and he was a gentleman... Besides I would guess that his wife did not want him to talk about the affair and as we know she had the money....
I would not call Hoare a gentleman in various aspects of his life. He and Diana never spoke out about the nature of their relationship. And they are not both in their graves.
Hoare did go in for "comforting" wives in distress. He had the acknowledged mistress whose husband fathered a child out of wedlock. SHE did speak up and said they indeed had an affair.
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Quote from: dianab on September 13, 2018, 12:30:58 AM
^that dont change the facts
The "facts" were not mentioned by the parties involved. So what "facts" are you referring to?
iirc charles never admitted his affair with kanga... but that dont change the facts... i'm sure without the morton book he'll never have admitted his long-term affair with camilla
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the facts i'm reffering are her calls to him that were very much reported in 1994. and everything that ELSA BOWKER said about them (he introduced diana to her according to HERSELF). and as well as the interview of his former chauffeur and her friend Joseph Sanders (said in doc/book diana: story of a princess)
Yes, but Kanga admitted her affair with Charles. Different scenario: Neither Hoare nor Diana commented publicly or confessed anything.
Making phone calls does not necessarily equate "phone sex." Diana was needy at the time and unfortunately depended on the wrong people some of the time. She did have loyal friends.
You can list all the second hand accounts but the exact nature and relationship went with Diana and Hoare to their graves.
If they had sex, what sort of sex, and if they said they loved each other is personal to them. Joseph Sanders did not spy on them 24/7
Diana was vulnerable then and Hoare had a penchant for comforting unhappy wives. His mistress gave an interview and spelled out the nature of their relationship in an interview--her husband fathered a child with another man and somehow Hoare gave her tea and sympathy.
Quote from: dianab on September 13, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
iirc charles never admitted his affair with kanga... but that dont change the facts... i'm sure without the morton book he'll never have admitted his long-term affair with camilla
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the facts i'm reffering are her calls to him that were very much reported in 1994. and everything that ELSA BOWKER said about them (he introduced diana to her according to HERSELF). and as well as the interview of his former chauffeur and her friend Joseph Sanders (said in doc/book diana: story of a princess)
Charles didn't need to admit to his affair with Kanga she did that for him. Also, Morton alluded to his close friendship with Camilla It was Dimbleby who got Charles to admit his affair with Camilla. When Diana was calling up Hoare he was playing marriage counselor to Diana and Charles that doesn't mean affair however even if they did have one it is really was no one's business but theirs. As for Joseph Sanders he was a chauffeur poorly paid and do you really think he had complete access to the home? seriously
Quote from: TLLK on September 13, 2018, 12:19:43 PM
I agree @amabel. For the Hoares, their family life had already been disrupted enough so why exacerbate the situation by publicly speaking about it. As for Diana, she acknowledged her relationship with Hewitt but likely didn't see the need to do so regarding Oliver Hoare.
She could hardly do so, could she? She wold be admitting that after all the fuss she made abt Charles having an affair, she was involved in an affair with a married man and had been tryig to get him to leave his wife and kids for her.. not to mention the awkward situation of the phone pest calls. THat was nto something she was likely to admit to....
@amabel-No. There really was no reason to publicly admit to the relationship that they'd had.
Quote from: TLLK on September 13, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
@amabel-No. There really was no reason to publicly admit to the relationship that they'd had.
well if you mean Diana mentioning it, she couldn't... It would have been admitting ot things that made her look very bad and unstable. the affair itself looked bad, because Hoare was married.. and that was Di's big complaint against Ccamilla, that she had involved herself in an affair with Di's husband.. and even more so, the chasing OH with phone calls looked bad...
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Quote from: Trudie on September 13, 2018, 07:33:18 PM
Charles didn't need to admit to his affair with Kanga she did that for him. Also, Morton alluded to his close friendship with Camilla It was Dimbleby who got Charles to admit his affair with Camilla. When Diana was calling up Hoare he was playing marriage counselor to Diana and Charles that doesn't mean affair however even if they did have one it is really was no one's business but theirs. As for Joseph Sanders he was a chauffeur poorly paid and do you really think he had complete access to the home? seriously
would this be the same Joseph Sanders who was Diana's financial adviser?
yes, i'm talking about Joseph Sanders who was her financial adviser. his former chauffeur have another name. it's telling that neither hoare nor diana sued him (his chauffeur). Sanders said in doc/book Diana Story of a Princess that Diana confided to him about the calls
Quote from: dianab on September 13, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
yes, i'm talking about Joseph Sanders who was her financial adviser. his former chauffeur have another name. it's telling that neither hoare nor diana sued him.
Diana admitted to Sanders that she had made the calls to Hoare..
Quote from: amabel on September 13, 2018, 08:16:49 PM
She could hardly do so, could she? She wold be admitting that after all the fuss she made abt Charles having an affair, she was involved in an affair with a married man and had been tryig to get him to leave his wife and kids for her.. not to mention the awkward situation of the phone pest calls. THat was nto something she was likely to admit to....
It is not known that she was trying to get him to leave his wife. HE left his wife and if what you say is true, this would be a dream for Diana and she would have packed up and moved in with him. She didn't. And HE was involved in a relationship with a Married woman. So how come this is not brought up. HE did leave his wife but Diana did not exactly have a party about it. She could not force two divorces and keep custody of WIll and Harry and she knew it.
And what about the married man being seen at a married woman's home? And he being friends with the husband. How very civilized.
Why is Hoare given so many free passes. He pulled this stunt before with another woman who actually admitted publicly she slept with him. She was heartsick over her husband having a child with another woman and "the model husband" Hoare (LOL) "comforted her.
Hoare is no saint. Diana should have steered clear of him.
However neither party went public about the relationship and both took the details to their graves.
Amabel what Sanders said is hearsay Diana never admitted it publicly. It's easy to "quote" a dead woman who can't defend herself.
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Quote from: dianab on September 13, 2018, 08:47:03 PM
yes, i'm talking about Joseph Sanders who was her financial adviser. his former chauffeur have another name. it's telling that neither hoare nor diana sued him (his chauffeur). Sanders said in doc/book Diana Story of a Princess that Diana confided to him about the calls
dianab why on earth would Hoare or Diana have sued him. It would only bring unwanted headlines and give a chauffeur the attention and book deals he would crave.. Sanders is quoting a dead woman who can't refute what he said she said. How convenient.
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Quote from: amabel on September 13, 2018, 08:16:49 PM
She could hardly do so, could she? She wold be admitting that after all the fuss she made abt Charles having an affair, she was involved in an affair with a married man and had been tryig to get him to leave his wife and kids for her.. not to mention the awkward situation of the phone pest calls. THat was nto something she was likely to admit to....
The thing is amabel that Diana did not have a lover watch her marry. Charles had his two married mistresses watching him. Camilla was part of the marriage the entire time and they spoke over the phone during Charles and DIana's honeymoon. You don't know the nature of the relationship--Camilla DID get Charles to leave his wife and children for her.
What about the awkward situation of Hoare phoning and pursuing his "friend's" wife. Estranged or not Diana was still married to Charles at that point. Jephson DID say he would phone Diana many many times. He encouraged Diana apparently.
i read the Jephson and wharfe books both says she phoned him often and he spent a lot time at kp with diana. if you thinks is a speculation that diana wanted him leave his wife and children (what elsa bowker said), why you thinks it's not a speculation he left his wife for some time?
i think the husband of ayesha nadir had 2 children with his then mistress. she also hoped hoare would left his family for her but after some years she saw it was better she move on. i dont think he was that awful to his mistresses. i think he was in fact in love with them but obviously he wasnt willing leave the arrangement he had with his wife.
@sandy i thought you think that diana would sue anyone saying she slept with any man (married or not) if it was UNtrue. Camilla and Andrew Parker-Bowles sued Penny Junor circa 1990... as hillarious as it is now...
Jephson and Wharfe also reported HE phoned HEr and pursued her. Elsa Bowker said it not Diana.
Also he did leave his wife for a time. If Diana so all fired wanted that she sure did not act like it. She did not get all excited that she "landed" him and would have taken steps to move in or spend time with him at his flat.
I don't think what Hoare did was virtuous. THe woman with the philandering husband that had the love child said nothing about wanting to marry Hoare. She gave an interview with People Magazine in the nineties. I posted the link on one of the threads.
I never said that Diana should have sued people talking about "alleged affairs.". Where did you get that from? I never said it. I just said Diana never commented about alleged affairs except after Hewitt did the tell all (she confessed to Bashir about Hewitt and only Hewitt)/
Well Camilla and Junor "made up" ages ago. They are BFFs and Junor praises Camilla to the skies and trashes Diana.
Quote from: TLLK on September 12, 2018, 03:06:59 PM
Finally an obituary that actually focuses upon the man's influence in the art world rather than his affair with the late Princess of Wales.
i think in art press the focus will be another as he was obviously a well-known and respected figure in 'art world'. in tabloids obviously the focus will be his diana scandal. a iconic celebrity he was involved wih, the reason he became a tabloid story. it's par the course with people who got together with famous people.
i understand this the times obituary wants to be fair to both sides of his life story without whitewashing, excusing or making him the bad guy or victim (that he clearly wasnt, as he was a willing participant as was diana)
Oliver Hoare obituary | Register | The Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oliver-hoare-obituary-b52pq0bct)
i can reading few parts more but NOT whole text. if anyone have access to the full story/obituary and is willing share it here, it'll be great!
He would hardly be known to the world if he hadn't been Diana's lover. I gather his speciality was Islamic art which isn't something I know anything about. and he would only be known to the art world, because of his work.
As far as I undersand it, Diana made friends wiht him becuase she was ttrying to get knowledge of what Charles was up to, after their separation.. and she ended up falling for him.. He was a very attractive man I suppose in a rahter obvious way. So she ended up in an affair with him. I think he jsut wnated it to be an affair.. he was married, his wife was a rich woman, adn they had children... and I think his wife didn't mind affairs provided he remained married and didn't get too deeply involved with any other woman. However he did fall for Diana and she for him.. SHe was a bit ambivlent because part of her was scared of leaving royal life, and she didn't wnat to lose touch with Will and Harry, but she seems to have indulged in the fantasy, of "living abroad" with Hoare..and I suppose reasoned that she'd get good divorce settlement and be rich enoug for them to live abroad and come back to England. Hoare either left his wife for a bit, or possible Diane H kicked him out to give him time to think and cool his head.. and he cooled down and didn't want to pursue the affair with Di to the extent of moving away with her.. or to leave his children.
So he wnet back home and Diana pursued him with phone calls.. It got so heavy that Diane H called hte police in...
J Sanders who was her friend and financial adviser was told by Diana that she had made the calls, from call boxes around Kensington etc.. I think she was half scared by her own behaviour, but she was clearly very lonely and unhappy.. and a bit out of control...
He would also have been known as a friend of C and C.
As I said the nature of the relationship was known only by them. And the are both dead now.
He I think was quite serious about that other woman he had been involved with.
I am not so sure Diana was that enamored of "royal life" she was worried about losing custody of her children.
Diana appeared to have doubts since she did not rush to live with him at his flat.
Again what Sanders said is hearsay. Diana was vulnerable and unless Hoare was not human he would have seen that. He should have backed off and not even gotten involved with her. The other lady was vulnerable and Hoare capitalized on HER neediness and got involved with her.
but you just said he was serious about the other woman he ad an affair with. tehn you appear to imply that he was taking advantage of her neediness...
QuoteHe would hardly be known to the world if he hadn't been Diana's lover. I gather his speciality was Islamic art which isn't something I know anything about. and he would only be known to the art world, because of his work.
True. He was well-known among his peers who worked in the art world or his clients who were buying, selling, trading etc..but I believe that he would have been more content to remain anonymous about his relationship with Diana.
Quote from: TLLK on September 14, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
True. He was well-known among his peers who worked in the art world or his clients who were buying, selling, trading etc..but I believe that he would have been more content to remain anonymous about his relationship with Diana.
True, I think he and Diane H seem to have retreated into a "no comment" mode after the Diana affair ended...
None of them commented. THey did not even have to say no comment. It never came to that.
the fact that no one of them commented is immaterial. kanga and camilla were rumours for many many years obviously many people (saw &) knew about them (charles and his married lady friends/lovers/mistresses). diana & hoare are in same category.
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Quote from: sandy on September 14, 2018, 09:07:35 PM
None of them commented. THey did not even have to say no comment. It never came to that.
Why would they comment? I gather that there were Press pestering them over the Diana and the Phone calls story, but they refused to say anytihng and retired to their own private life. What cuodl they say?
They didn't have to open their mouths. The story was told by various people. Ken Wharfe said that he found Hoare In a dishevlelled state, smoking in the corridors of KP.. and that he joked to Diana abt "playing strip poker"... The press told the story of Diana's pursueing Hoare with phone calls, and H's chauffeur also sold his story about the affair...
Oh so Wharfe went into the bedroom and listened to everything they said and watched them in bed. So he is omniscient. The man said he was OUTSIDE of the place. So how would he know what they did? Does being in the state Hoare was in mean they did it or did they have a make out session. And playing strip poker always leads to sex? And the chauffeur watched the two 24/7. IT still boils down to neither of the Directly Involved parties commenting about what they did or did not do.
i know kanga admitted their affair after many years.... but it hardly surprised anyone.
if the woman was Margaret or Princess Michael and the man was someone the staff knew spend much time with any of them, i doubt this wharfe tale will be put down by either. especially if other people had talked about them...
Quote from: dianab on September 15, 2018, 04:06:33 PM
i know kanga admitted their affair after many years.... but it hardly surprised anyone.
if the woman was Margaret or Princess Michael and the man was someone the staff knew spend much time with any of them, i doubt this wharfe tale will be put down by either. especially if other people had talked about them...
well what really convinces me are the phone calls. I can't imagine anyone chasing someone with dozens of phone calls, if their relationship had been innocent.. and the fact that he was in the corridors of KP, outside Di's apartement, "dischevelled" and smoking, and found out there by her Police officer, is IMO a clear indication that he and she were lovers..
If charles had been found in the gardens of Cam's house, looking untidily dressed, Im sure noone woudl beleive that he had just gone to see her for a chat about his latest charity speech.....
Speaking of hearsay a servant of Charles recalled how Charles came into the house at Highgrove in dirty pajamas after a fling in the garden with Camilla. Why are you bothered by the phone call incident from 24 years ago? How does it impact your life. I'd be bothered about Hoare pursuing his friend's wife. He sounds like a sleazy guy. His playing victim is a laugh. There would have been no phone calls had he not "comforted" Diana in the first place. Shame on h im.
Quote from: dianab on September 15, 2018, 04:06:33 PM
i know kanga admitted their affair after many years.... but it hardly surprised anyone.
if the woman was Margaret or Princess Michael and the man was someone the staff knew spend much time with any of them, i doubt this wharfe tale will be put down by either. especially if other people had talked about them...
You can bring in Margaret or Princess Michael the fact is DIana and Hoare never confirmed or denied an affair or spoke about what went on.
It is immaterial how "late" Kanga confessed. She still did.
Quote from: sandy on September 15, 2018, 07:14:43 PM
Speaking of hearsay a servant of Charles recalled how Charles came into the house at Highgrove in dirty pajamas after a fling in the garden with Camilla.
i believe this story. imo it's NOT hearsay
yes kanga confessed, but it dont changes the fact that people have always believed in stories were known about them.
as for oliver hoare i think he was a very unhappy man in his marriage as i understand he was genuinely in love with his mistresses. but money was very important to him. diana and aysha nadir werent troubled because he was there for them and yes the fact he was NOT willing leave his wife and move on with (any of) them. his choices, his life. i understand that many people in that aristo world are the same. c'est la vie
Well he stayed with Diane his wife. I doubt Diana would ever have forced a divorce because she would risk losing custody of her children and have limited access. It also did not take her long to fall in love with Hasnet.
in his the times obt it says that one of his chelsea home' neighbours was prince ernst of hannover... funny coincidence hahaha...
^^^That is an interesting coincidence considering Ernst August's divorce from his first wife and then second marriage to Princess Caroline.
Quote from: sandy on September 15, 2018, 08:44:08 PM
Well he stayed with Diane his wife. I doubt Diana would ever have forced a divorce because she would risk losing custody of her children and have limited access. It also did not take her long to fall in love with Hasnet.
If she didn't want him to get a divorce and leave his wife, she could have saved herself a lot of 10p pieces and effort in phoning him..
She was not phoning to propose marriage. If he didn' t want her calling he could have saved himself the trouble and not gotten involved even to the extent of giving advice about her marriage. He called her and Wharfe said many times.
I imagine Wharfe means he called her while their affair was going on. I doubt if he called her when they had split up..
He still called her and got involved with her.
He did not call her when their affair had ended. She called him, which suggests that she wasn't happy about the affair ending and wanted to get him back.. and to marry him...
I repeat. He phoned her and was a willing participant visiting her home and all that. She was unfortunate to be associated with someone like that .
imo it's unfortunate that diana associated herself with the windosors...
Quote from: amabel on September 16, 2018, 01:59:12 PM
He did not call her when their affair had ended. She called him, which suggests that she wasn't happy about the affair ending and wanted to get him back.. and to marry him...
i undertand the calls started when he was back to his family home after cooling off period... elsa bowker and the former chauffeur said they remain seeing each other. and bowker said he wrote a letter to diana when they break-up after the chaffeur sold his story (and hoare denied defend her publicly and leave his family) in early 1995.
QuoteShe was unfortunate to be associated with someone like that .
@sandy Quoteimo it's unfortunate that diana associated herself with the windosors...
@dianab Unfortunately there is a fairly long list of people that Diana chose to associate with and were happy to betray her in the end. :no: She was not making very sound decisions when she decided to place her trust in some that she barely kne ie: Peter Settelen :no:
Quote from: sandy on September 16, 2018, 02:20:15 PM
I repeat. He phoned her and was a willing participant visiting her home and all that. She was unfortunate to be associated with someone like that .
well nobody made her have an affair with him. She liked him, she fell in love with hm and wanted to be with him.... He didn't shanghai her and make her associate with him.....
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Quote from: TLLK on September 16, 2018, 02:53:31 PM
@sandy
@dianab
Unfortunately there is a fairly long list of people that Diana chose to associate with and were happy to betray her in the end. :no: She was not making very sound decisions when she decided to place her trust in some that she barely kne ie: Peter Settelen :no:
If she hadn't been "assocated" with the Windsors, she would have been a nobody, daughter of a backwoods aristocrat and probably married to someone who was "soemting in the City" or a gentleman farmer.. (of course she would have had a quieter, less stressful life and would probably still be around now). It was her choice to marry Charles and her choice to divorce him.
I agree TLLK that she did pick quite a few people to confide in, who betrayed her trust like Burrell, Settlelen and some of her staff like Jephson have been less than Loyal to her..
Nobody forced Hoare to be interested in Diana. Diana would have been far happier if she had married someone close to her own age and someone who had no mistress on the side. Without Diana, there would have been no william and Harry and DIana was popular. And without Diana no Louis, Charlotte and George. Charles did not appreciate her. WHile we are on this sort of topic, had Charles not been born first and had not been the first born male, he would have been like Andrew and Edward. Had Elizabeth married Philip the year before perhaps CHarles would not have even existed. I would not cal the Spencers "backwoods" aristocrats. So you think their relative Winston Churchill was "backwoods" too then? Diana had royal bloodlines.
Had DIana not died young, those Settelen tapes would not have seen the light of day. Unlike Charles who made a fool of himself on TV twitching and confessing adultery forcing a divorce of the PBs.
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Quote from: TLLK on September 16, 2018, 02:53:31 PM
@sandy
@dianab
Unfortunately there is a fairly long list of people that Diana chose to associate with and were happy to betray her in the end. :no: She was not making very sound decisions when she decided to place her trust in some that she barely kne ie: Peter Settelen :no:
If Diana had not died young those Settelen tapes would not have been aired.
CHarles was the one who betrayed her the most. CHarles was not making sound decisions when he was advised by rather shady characters like Van Der Post.
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Quote from: dianab on September 16, 2018, 02:41:42 PM
imo it's unfortunate that diana associated herself with the windosors...
i undertand the calls started when he was back to his family home after cooling off period... elsa bowker and the former chauffeur said they remain seeing each other. and bowker said he wrote a letter to diana when they break-up after the chaffeur sold his story (and hoare denied defend her publicly and leave his family) in early 1995.
Diana could not have been that serious about him. She moved on to Khan rather quickly
^one relationship ended in early 1995 another one started late 1995. hardly move on quickly. but she indeed move on quickly after khan which included changing her phone - what everyone one day belonged to her circle knew what meant (including hewitt).
btw i stand by my point it's very unfortunate that diana got together with the windsors... the men she fall in love with, it was her business i dont think any of them is/was so bad as charles but also i dont think any of them was/is a very evolved human being as some made them out (ie.h khan)... imo diana was the sort of woman who always dreamed to marry but always end up with genuine self-absorbed bachelors
From what I read, the Spencers had found some other tapes of Diana that they destroyed.
Diana also left a record that she did not have a sexual affair with Mannakee. Seward wrote that she did in her book The Queen and Di and had to retract that after the Settelen tapes were released.
^why when she died he was immediately after the tapes at kp (according to himself)? he said there were several tapes and he just got a few because the burrel trial
@dianab-IMO he was well aware of the $$$$ potential from the moment she began revealing some very interesting stories and with Diana's death, he had the opportunity to make some money from the tapes he didn't have in his possession.
A true gentleman to the end!
Quote from: TLLK on September 18, 2018, 07:26:05 PM
@dianab-IMO he was well aware of the $$$$ potential from the moment she began revealing some very interesting stories and with Diana's death, he had the opportunity to make some money from the tapes he didn't have in his possession.
i dont know as he could make money from tapes he hadnt in his possession when she was alive.
and surely he was capable of making copies of them for himself? He probably waited, since it would not look good to reveal tehm for some time.
^it's a total fantasy. as the man himself said when she died he asked the tapes back and the spencers said no. and that he just had notice of them again during the burrel trial
He is hardly going to admit that he kept copies, in hopes that he could make use of htem. And why did Burrell hand them over to him?
Quote from: amabel on September 18, 2018, 05:23:48 PM
Im sure that Settlelen had his own copies. I cant imagine that he didn't make sure he had something that he might wish to sell for his pension fund. And I think that if Diana did keep her copies, its because she didn't really see anyitng wrong with the things she had said, like talking about pushing Raine etc.
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I am sure he did. he would probably have waited a while... but Im sure he would have been offered amazing sums of money and ended up going for it.
I saw the tapes. Diana just talked about the events and did not say they were right or wrong. So she made no judgments that the events were "ok." It was of public record that Diana became friends with Raine in 1992 at the time of her father's funeral. so Settelen knew they made up.
I think Settelen would not have dared release the tapes in Diana's lifetime. It should be remembered that she if she had not passed on could have eventually become the mother of a monarch and perhaps he would be afraid that King William would not be pleased. I find it unlikely Settelen will get any honors from William or Charles for that matter (since some of the conversation were some unfavorable references to CHarles and Camilla)
Quote from: dianab on September 18, 2018, 08:28:06 PM
i dont know as he could make money from tapes he hadnt in his possession when she was alive.
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he had some copies of it. <_<
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Quote from: amabel on September 18, 2018, 08:42:26 PM
He is hardly going to admit that he kept copies, in hopes that he could make use of htem. And why did Burrell hand them over to him?
IMHO the man was and still is a cad. I wouldn't be surprised that he would have them.
^not charles spencer but sarah, jane and frances (they were involved at burrel trial)
Yes I agree
@dianab that those involved would be the executors of her will: Frances and Sarah.
Quote from: sandy on September 20, 2018, 02:30:38 PM
He could never say what Diana "wanted." Hearsay is inadmissible. And he cannot prove she "said" this unless they both went and drew up legal documents which did not happen.
Why would you tink he would care? He had the tapes... he had stories about Dianas's marriage, her relations with her family, her sex life even. Of course he was going to try his best to publicise them to make money
Not everybody shows such sleazy behavior all for the almighty $$$$. It did not earn him points as far as his reputation is concerned IMO.
Well if he is sleazy, I would not think he would care for anybody but himself.
Quote from: amabel on September 20, 2018, 04:27:05 PM
Why would you tink he would care? He had the tapes... he had stories about Dianas's marriage, her relations with her family, her sex life even. Of course he was going to try his best to publicise them to make money
Absolutely he was going to try and make some money off of these tapes with the details that Diana willing shared with him on videotape.
Quote from: TLLK on September 20, 2018, 09:29:28 PM
Absolutely he was going to try and make some money off of these tapes with the details that Diana willing shared with him on videotape.
I did hope, knowing that the tapes existed, that Settelen would refrain from betraying her confidences. but I didn't realise before they were released how frank Diana had been with him... I can't imagine why she did it.. she was using him to learn to speak in public.. why tell him all her secrets? They could have discussed trivail things, or her work.. to get a feel for talking...
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Quote from: sandy on September 20, 2018, 05:27:44 PM
Not everybody shows such sleazy behavior all for the almighty $$$$. It did not earn him points as far as his reputation is concerned IMO.
Well if he is sleazy, I would not think he would care for anybody but himself.
He doesn't care. He has made a load of money out of these tapes... as have quite a few of her staff...
Meghan Markle's Ex-Husband Marries Heiress - Meghan Markle's Ex Trevor Engelson Marries Heiress Tracey Kurland (https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/a23701791/meghan-markle-ex-trevor-engelson-marries-heiress-tracey-kurland/)
Korede on Instagram: ?Meghan Markle?s ex-husband Trevor Engelson marries dietitian whose father is worth ?150million . Meghan Markle's ex husband (https://www.instagram.com/p/BovlmDLHW4u/?taken-by=akoredeonline)
QuoteTrevor Engelson, who was married to the Duchess of Sussex for two years, wed nutritionist Tracey Kurland, 32, the daughter of a multi-millionaire banker in a low-key ceremony on Saturday night.
The wedding was held at a private home in exclusive Hidden Hills, California, the same affluent suburb of Los Angeles where Kim Kardashianand Kanye West live, Daily Mail reports.
Engelson, a film producer, 41, popped the question to Kurland in California's Napa Valley in June, two weeks after his ex-wife, 32, married Prince Harry, 34.
I noted a pretty good number of wrong things in that article/memories since names - it's Ingrid Seward not Stewart - and dates etc i thought diana and couthurst had fell out for good in 1995 and so he's there talking about dodi... again AN.other mistake written months when he probably meant weeks... this article is really deseparetely sensationalist ... the bad writting, things so easy to check out talks for itself... looks like the whole piece was picked and put together so fast as possible...
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Quote from: sandy on July 04, 2019, 07:13:52 PM
This is a really tasteless article and I am horrified at some of the comments the DM let in. Most are no friends of DIana just opportunists who trade on her image. The relationship with Hoare is totally distorted--he pursued her as much as she did him. Diana straight out told Settelen there was no sexual relationship with Mannakee. ANd the article missed the obvious fact that Diana could not even think of settling down with anyone until her divorce was final and she had only one year of life left after the divorce.
Ken Wharfe is the only one who mentioned Manakee and he pretty much was/is agreeing with Diana's version.
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Quote from: oak_and_cedar on July 04, 2019, 06:58:20 PM
Personally, I think Lucia de flecha Lima knew her the best. Besides that, no one cares about these "gentlemen"
Not sure about that. Very, very deep stuff i dont think she knew. She was always saying how nice the queen and philip were with diana. when she was living in london in 1991 and diana 'doing' the book with andrew morton, she said she knew nothing about and that diana never got into details with her and panaroma interview the same. I think she and Diana were genuinely very fond of each each but prabably diana confided more about boyfriends and her problems with friends and people she thought trustworthy than War of Waleses stuff.
In few interviews that lucia gave she always said she had no contact with Diana's sons. She always hinted since she left London she never more saw them and just knew about them what Diana talked to her. As for Carolyn Bartholomew I've always read that William and Harry had zero contact with her. I was surprised and happy when saw her at harry's wedding AND at such a good place! Much better than Tiggy's place. And even Doria! I suppose her Spencer aunts must have talked how close and important she was to Diana.
According to Lucia herself she was totally against Morton book and Panorama interview and believed diana dont told nothing to her because she was against that. she says she always said to diana she didnt need divorce Charles but should to live separated of him if was so bad to live with him.
In Settelen tapes you can see Diana telling exactly what she thought of Philip through a advice he gave to Charles.... I noted people who dont belong to Estabilishment circle always said Diana told them she didnt get on with Philip. Susan Kassen, Hasnat Khan, there are other names ... i think james hewitt is another person who said diana didnt get on with philip
some time ago Ingrid Seward wrote as Diana had Philip investigated and found out about his countless mistresses and illegitimate children...
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on July 05, 2019, 07:04:35 PM
Perhaps, but I personally don't believe there were all that many people caring. Most people have a romantic past. I have a hard time believing that anyone wants their exes mentioned when there are worthier things in ones life to remember. I think the same thing should be afforded to Diana. IMO.
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I agree Dianab that it was a bad article that was sensationalist. It was pathetic.
But perhaps HM and PP were sympathetic in their own way. I have a hard time imagining the queen being rude etc.
One of PP's letters to Diana became public and in it he said that he acknowledged that her behaviour, i.e. bulimia, was triggered by the difficult situation she was in, if i'm not mistaken.
That shows some sympathy. To me at least.
Perhaps Diana wanted to minimize the people involved and was concerned for Lucia if she became involved, from a political point of view. She was after all an ambassadors wife.
I think Lucia was a good friend. If i'm not mistaken, I remember reading William and Harry involving her or asking for her opinion on a statue or something like that. And this was some years later. They kept contact only with her closest friends like Julia Samuels and Carolyn Bartholomew. So it means something, in my opinion, that they kept contact with her, one way or another.
Of course people care.. in the sense that there are going to be more people reading about Di's love life than about her charity work.
Not sure that Phil and the queen were all that sympathetic to Di's problems. I think that Philip wrote to her in a spirt of a certain limited sympathy but mostly trying to sort out the problems of the marriage or to minimise the fall out...and the queen certainly would nto be rude but she wasn't all that sympathetic for sure. She was again mostly concerned with how the break up of the marriage affected (a) the children and (b) the monarchy... and she reached a point I think where her sympathy for Di was very limited and she just wanted to sort out the mess and put an end to the Waleses war...so she ordered a divorce.
As for Diana's friends I don't know if WIll and H had much conatact with them after her death...
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on July 06, 2019, 06:19:00 PM
To be fair, her relationship was with Diana who was her friend. So she knew her friends children through what her friend told her. I do think that de Lima was a close friend of Dianas and PW and PH acknowledged that, although I agree with you in that they were never close. Though I personally don't why they should have been.
I think de Lima was worried about the result/outcome of the interview/book and most people were. Though Diana never "ended" things with her, and I believe was even with her in Washington the year she died. That says something, in my opinion.
I personally don't think that it has something to do with them being anti establishment. Two of them were boyfriends of hers, and I think she spoke about things that happened. This might be a bit presumptous of me, but I am a bit skeptical of how much those two gentlemen really knew, seeing as how they put their own interpretation to things, in my opinion.
IMO she was much more - genuinely - open with her boyfriends than with friends who told her shut up and put up with charles and camilla. Susan Kassem who's another anti/non estabilishment person said Diana told her she didnt get on with philip.
Lucia said only time ever had any contact with willliam and harry was at 10th memorial religious service. She said she was surprised she was invited as she never had any sort of contact with them since diana died nor after this moment.... I know people who lost a parent as a kid and they like having a relationship/keep in touch with people who their parent were close to.
William and Harry obviously arent that sentimental type... I've no doubt Diana and Lucia were genuinely very fond of each other and important in lives of each other. But I think there were things that diana prefered dont share. As Lucia had views totally contrary...
QuoteThough I believe prince Philip was sympathetic I don't believe that their relationship was smooth sailing. They both come/came across as strong, opinionated people and probably had disagreements.
About PP telling PC that. I think he was trying to meet PC half way and helping him giving the marriage a chance.
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I mean, if prince Philip took the time to speak to her and wrote her letters, and actually read her replies, and expressed understanding, well that shows sympathy to me. I doubt that if he didn't care, he would take the trouble to see things from her perspective.
I think HM is an intelligent woman and could see things from Diana's perspective.
The Peter Settelen tapes were filmed after she and philip exchanged letters, her memories of him doesnt says anything good about him.
Cressida Bonas Is Engaged | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/cressida-bonas-engaged-harry-wentworth-stanley-prince-harry-ex/) :vday2:
QuoteCressida Bonas is heading to the altar!
The British model and actress ? best known for having dated Prince Harry from 2012 to 2014 after being introduced by his cousin, Princess Eugenie ? is engaged to boyfriend Harry Wentworth-Stanley, the latter announced on Instagram Sunday.
Bonas, 30, and Wentworth-Stanley flash big smiles at the camera in the outdoor selfie, taken in what appears to be a field. The bride-to-be?s ring is on full display, featuring a center stone surrounded by red and white stones.
?We getting married 😁🥰,? he captioned the post.
Good for them, I hope they're happy, they were together before she and Prince Harry weren't they? That's a beautiful and unusual ring.
I like the fact that Cressida is engaged to a Harry and will wed a Harry after she had dated a Prince called Harry.
Lucky escape ... she turned out to be very smart ...
I don't think she and Harry wanted anything permanent and realized a marriage was not meant to be. It was 'Lucky" for both of them IMO marrying their own choices. I wish Cressida and her fiance can get on with their lives without the constant references and the media of her as "Harry's ex." It is not good for her fiance to see this either. IMO
Congratulations! :partaay:
Quote from: sandy on November 10, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
I don't think she and Harry wanted anything permanent and realized a marriage was not meant to be. It was 'Lucky" for both of them IMO marrying their own choices. I wish Cressida and her fiance can get on with their lives without the constant references and the media of her as "Harry's ex." It is not good for her fiance to see this either. IMO
@sandy, I agree with the fact that Harry Wentworth-Stanley should not have to hear about Prince Harry.
He wouldn't have got her back for a definite second time. I don't think that is one of his insecurities.
^ Yep ... richer , better looking , younger all while he enjoys a life without being on the daily fail 24/7 ... no insecurity to be had ...
^he sure is a upgrade! good for her. when will be her wedding?
That's the second wedding 2020 :D (the first TVS)
Harry and Cressida married their respective choices. Win win. All the way.
Quote from: sandy on November 10, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
I don't think she and Harry wanted anything permanent and realized a marriage was not meant to be. It was 'Lucky" for both of them IMO marrying their own choices. I wish Cressida and her fiance can get on with their lives without the constant references and the media of her as "Harry's ex." It is not good for her fiance to see this either. IMO
I agree. It's disrespectful to both her and her fiance. Most Royal followers know who she is and they could have mentioned briefly that her and PH dated. Anything for clicks I guess.
i disagree it's disrespectful. she's news worthy because she's harry's ex. things are like they are. charles ex-girlfriends were mentioned in press in same way and there's nothing wrong with that.
Quote
Chelsy Davy's light-filled flat in South Kensington is a shrine to her first home: the sitting-room walls are covered with huge paintings of Victoria Falls and elephants; in the hallway are pictures of the farm where she grew up in Zimbabwe; family photographs fill the bookshelves; and a huge vase of flowers sits among the stacks of wildlife books on the coffee table.
Chelsy looks confident and relaxed, wearing a black roll-neck top, skinny blue jeans by Rag & Bone and studded biker boots. She?s in the throes of expanding her business, an African jewellery brand called Aya, which is now growing to incorporate lifestyle and travel elements.
As she potters around the kitchen making coffee, she tells me how happy she is in her new flat, having moved from Chelsea a year ago. She runs in the park undisturbed, and attends a nearby Barry?s Bootcamp three times a week. ?It?s the best,? she smiles.
Chelsy divides her time between London and Cape Town, where she also has an apartment. Here, in her South Kensington kitchen, there?s a huge photograph of her with her close friend Lady Melissa Percy ? ?a birthday present from Missy?. She talks excitedly about being asked to be godmother to her friend?s first baby.
Chelsy Davy interview | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/article/chelsy-davy-interview)
She looks slimmer because she exercises 3 times a week at a boot camp. She's doing very well with her Aya brand, as she says in interview this is her first very own new flat, South Kensington.
And her very good friend Melissa Percy, who lives in the USA (check latest thread of MP) is having her first baby.
She seems like a laid back, chill person. Good on her for starting her own business.
Chelsy may be laid back and chilled, and I have no doubt she is, she enjoys holidaying and a good party. However, she also seems a quite restless and in some ways unfocused person. (I followed her a lot in the Harry/Chelsy days)
Even when she was dating Harry Chelsy was constantly off elsewhere-Ibiza, SA, London, the US. She was mad about the law, then left it after a few years and started a jewellery endeavour after studying gemology earnestly for several months. She designed pieces for the London/US market which featured African stones. Now after a few years of that she's starting a business with others offering African holidays.
Some of this new venture may be an adjunct to her father's family business years ago of offering hunting safaris to wealthy Americans and Europeans. I don't know, though sincerely hope not.
However, she is a year younger than Harry at 34 and it seems to me a pattern has developed with Chelsy viz study really hard for something, start a career in it with great enthusiasm, then after a few years start studying the possibilities of something else, lose interest in the original project and go on to the next. All this interspersed with regular travelling and long holidays all over the place and appearing as a socialite at various events on the London scene. She's a rich man's daughter so she doesn't really need to work.
I find it interesting though as well, that there has been no serious longterm relationship since Harry, just a succession of brief romances with various boyfriends. Chelsy will be 35 this year so if she does intend to have a family maybe it's time to settle down.
That's interesting. I didn't know that. I thought she was very busy with her jewellery line.
Maybe she's keeping the jewellery and starting that other business as well. She seems like someone with alot of energy. Though I do wonder why she hasn't settled down yet. Maybe some potential boyfriends are afraid of the media attention?
Quote from: oak_and_cedar on March 13, 2020, 07:37:31 PM
That's interesting. I didn't know that. I thought she was very busy with her jewellery line.
Maybe she's keeping the jewellery and starting that other business as well. She seems like someone with alot of energy. Though I do wonder why she hasn't settled down yet. Maybe some potential boyfriends are afraid of the media attention?
She's a socialite. I doubt if she sticks to any job.. and she has the money to take endless courses, if she wants to.
I thought Chelsy had relationships lasted 3 years after she and harry break-up
Also, i've read she's in a relationship now.
I wonder if she still has contact with anyone in the RF?
Camilla Parker Bowles's ex-husband has coronavirus and fears he caught it at Cheltenham Festival | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8177759/Camilla-Parker-Bowless-ex-husband-coronavirus-fears-caught-Cheltenham-Festival.html)
Duchess of Cornwall's ex-husband tests positive for COVID-19 | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2020040187323/andrew-parker-bowles-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/)
Andrew Parker-Bowles Tests Positive for Coronavirus | PEOPLE.com (https://people.com/royals/camilla-duchess-of-cornwalls-ex-husband-andrew-parker-bowles-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/)
Andrew Parker Bowles coronavirus diagnosis sparks fears for royals (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/04/01/andrew-parker-bowles-coronavirus-diagnosis-sparks-fears-royals/)
QuoteBrigadier Parker Bowles told the Daily Telegraph: ?I probably got it on the Wednesday or Friday I attended Cheltenham.
?I?ve felt pretty bloody awful with it. It?s better in the mornings and gets worse as the day goes on.
?I?ve had a bad cough and I?ve been very lethargic. I?m sleeping twice as long as normal.?
Asked whether, in hindsight, the Festival in Gloucestershire should have gone ahead from March 10 to 13, he added: ?To be honest it was optional whether we went. At the time the Underground was running full of people. You can?t blame Cheltenham. To be fair attendance was 10 per cent down but I do know quite a few people who picked it up there.?
Although the Brigadier admitted he mixed with royals including Anne and Zara, he said he was told he wouldn?t be contagious until the following Monday, March 16
Hope that he makes a full and speedy recovery.
He might not be severe, but sympathetic .
Quote from: FanDianaFancy on April 03, 2020, 01:20:16 PM
He might not be severe, but sympathetic .
Andrew is knocking on a bit, and it will problaby take it out of him..
Quote from: TLLK on April 01, 2020, 11:59:45 PM
Hope that he makes a full and speedy recovery.
I do, too, and I posted on the PR's thread that I wonder if Cheltenham should have been held. Everything else was being cancelled. In any event, it wasn't and now we hope for mild cases. It doesn't sound like APB has a mild case as he says he has a bad cough, so I am hoping it doesn't get worse and he recovers as quickly as some others. This virus is terrible.
Trevor and his wife Tracy are expecting their first child.
Meghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson announces he and his wife are expecting their first child | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8271733/Meghan-Markles-ex-husband-Trevor-Engelson-announces-wife-expecting-child.html)
QuoteMeghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson has announced that he and his wife Tracey Kurland are expecting their first child in September.
Engelson, 43, confirmed the happy news that Kurland, 33, is pregnant with a girl in a social media post Wednesday.
'Future mother of the year and girl dad way outta his league! Best thing I've ever produced hands down. Baby girl, So excited to meet you in September,' he wrote.
The gushing Instagram post included a cute selfie of the couple both sporting protective face masks while Engelson proudly cradled his second wife's bump.
I like and respect how he has not said one word to the media. Very dignified of him.
It's very good that he hasn't. The British tabloids offered him huge sums for dirt on his ex wife apparently. They also offered Meghan's ex boyfriend Cory, whose mother was very fond of her, multi bucks to spill as much nastiness as possible about her.
Tabloid media are scum. Cory and Trevor are gentlemen IMO.
Congratulations to the happy couple
Prince Harry's ex Cressida Bonas marries Harry Wentworth-Stanley in private ceremony | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8563585/Prince-Harrys-ex-Cressida-Bonas-marries-Harry-Wentworth-Stanley-private-ceremony.html)
Prince Harry's ex-girlfriend Cressida Bonas SECRETLY marries Harry Wentworth-Stanley | HELLO! (https://www.hellomagazine.com/brides/2020072794232/prince-harry-ex-cressida-bonas-marries-harry-wentworth-stanley/)
Congratulations to Cressida and Harry! :wed: I am thrilled that they were able to marry this year even with the pandemic altering their original plans.
Prince Harry's ex Cressida Bonas unveils incredible first honeymoon photo after secret royal wedding | HELLO! (https://ca.hellomagazine.com/brides/2020081495396/prince-harry-ex-cressida-bonas-wedding-honeymoon-photo/?utm_medium=social_media&campaign=hellouk&utm_source=Twitter)
Well, congrats. :blowkiss:
From the building stones I am guessing southern France was where the photo was taken. :vday2:
Congratulations to the newlyweds!
@TLLK How can you tell from the building stones? I'm very curious about houses and architecture in general so this is quite interesting!
@oak_and_cedar - I'm not 100% sure but it looks very much like the building material that I've seen in that region of France.
Quote from: TLLK on August 24, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
@oak_and_cedar - I'm not 100% sure but it looks very much like the building material that I've seen in that region of France.
Itlooks like a shed, that building...
:hearts: Trevor and his wife Tracy have a daughter named Ford Grace Engleson. :happy:
Meghan Markle?s Ex-Husband Trevor Engelson Welcomes 1st Child (https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/meghan-markles-ex-husband-trevor-engelson-welcomes-1st-child/)
Marvellous news about the birth of this precious baby girl to Trevor and Tracy. :brightside: What an unusual name they chose for her. Is Ford a popular girls' name in the US? I've never heard of it as a baby name at all.
Well I was wondering if "Ford" was a maternal family name and that influenced the couple's decision.
It may have been, TLLK, and family surnames do appear as middle names of their descendants sometimes, (more usually in the US than the UK.) Or maybe Trevor's very fond of vintage cars!
Perhaps he has a Model T out there in the garage with his Ford Mustang. :hehe:
I really dont like this trend for "masculine" sounding names like Taylor.. and Ford sounds very much a male name.
Katy Perry and Orlando Bloom have named their baby Daisy Dove, which is feminine enough, but together with Bloom it seems a bit OTT to me. But, to each his own!
Prince Harry's ex-girlfriend Cressida Bonas seen for the first time since wedding | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8731029/Prince-Harrys-ex-girlfriend-Cressida-Bonas-seen-time-wedding.html)
Trevor and his wife Tracy confirm that they're expecting their second child.
Meghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson expecting his second child with wife Tracey Kurland | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9733445/Meghan-Markles-ex-husband-Trevor-Engelson-expecting-second-child-wife-Tracey-Kurland.html)
QuoteMeghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson has announced that he and his wife Tracey Kurland are expecting their second child together in the fall.
The Hollywood producer, 44, who already shares a daughter Ford Grace Engelson, with his second wife, confirmed the happy news on his private Instagram account, according to OK magazine.
Trevor, who was married to the Duchess of Sussex from 2011 to 2013, remarried Tracey in Montecito, in May 2019.
Sharing their exciting announcement, the proud dad wrote: 'This baby thing has been good so far... let's do it again... coming this fall!'
Meghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson becomes a father for the second time | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10167101/Meghan-Markles-ex-husband-Trevor-Engelson-father-second-time.html#comments)
QuoteMeghan Markle's ex-husband Trevor Engelson has welcomed his second child with his wife, Tracey Kurland.
The Hollywood producer, 44, announced the happy news on his private Instagram account, revealing that Tracey delivered a baby girl named Sienna.
'World, meet baby girl Sienna Lee Engelson? my wife is a gangster!' he wrote, according to Woman's Day. 'I don't know what I did right, but I'm the luckiest guy I know.'
This is the second child for the couple, who also share 15-month-old daughter Ford Grace Engelson.
Prince Harry's model ex Florence St George reveals she feels 'lucky' her relationship with the royal was 'short-lived' because she 'couldn't cope' with the spotlight and says she takes her hat off to people who can.
Prince Harry's ex Florence St George says she feels 'lucky' their relationship didn't last | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10226591/Prince-Harrys-ex-Florence-St-George-says-feels-lucky-relationship-didnt-last.html)
I do feel that dating a royal puts anyone under enormous pressure, and it?s great that some can and others find it too difficult. Even after marriage the spotlight gets too much for some, look at Charlene of Monaco.
I think that Flee, as she was known at the time, did have some underlying anxiety issues that prevented her enjoying the public side of romance, but it?s a bit strange that the tabloids are still encouraging her to talk about her very short relationship with Harry so many years later though.
Quote from: TLLK on November 20, 2017, 06:44:39 PM
Diana's 'Mr Wonderful' finally finds happiness 20 years after his affair with tragic princess - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/dianas-mr-wonderful-finally-finds-11552789)
This will be his second marriage and her first. :wub:
Did Princess Diana ever refer to Prince Charles as "Mr. Wonderful"?
Dara Huang the former fiance of Princess Beatrice's husband Edo and mother of their son Wolfie has gained her British citizenship.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Princess Beatrice's husband's ex proudly declares: 'I've become a Brit!' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10404767/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Princess-Beatrices-husbands-ex-proudly-declares-Ive-Brit.html)
The Queen granted Sir Roddy-Llewellyn the opportunity to privately visit burial vault located in St. George's Chapel Windsor that holds Princess Margaret's ashes on the twentieth anniversary of her death. IMO this was a very gracious and kind act as the vault holds the remains of their parents' King George VI and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Llewellyn had been Princess Margaret's boyfriend for several years in the 1970's and 1980's. Reportedly he's never publicly disclosed the details of their relationship.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Queen lets Princess Margaret's lover Roddy Llewellyn grieve in royal tomb | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10500485/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Queen-lets-Princess-Margarets-lover-Roddy-Llewellyn-grieve-royal-tomb.html)
QuoteTwo decades after the death of her beloved sister, the Queen has made an incredible acknowledgement of the role played in Princess Margaret's life by her toyboy lover, Roddy Llewellyn.
I can disclose that the retired landscape gardener, who had an eight-year affair with Margaret, was granted special permission to visit her final resting place on the anniversary of her death on Wednesday.
Llewellyn, 74, paid his respects to her in the King George VI Memorial Chapel in Windsor.
After the Princess's death in 2002 at the age of 71, her ashes were placed in the tomb at St George's Chapel to rest alongside the remains of her parents, George VI and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother.
Sir Roddy ? who inherited a baronetcy upon the death of his brother, Sir Dai Llewellyn, in 2009 ? has turned down many lucrative offers to divulge the secrets of his relationship with Margaret.
Chelsy gave birth to a healthy boy named Leo last month.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Prince Harry's ex-girlfriend Chelsy Davy has 'secret baby boy' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10553225/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Prince-Harrys-ex-girlfriend-Chelsy-Davy-secret-baby-boy.html)
This is quite a surprise! Chelsy is getting on a bit at 36 and I was wondering when marriage and babies would be on the horizon. However, congratulations to her and boyfriend, whoever Leo?s father is!
Congratulations to Chelsea!
Sam Cutmore-Scott, 37, a successful hotelier, is the baby's father.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Revealed - The father of Chelsy Davy's newborn baby was at Eton with Prince Harry | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10562525/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Revealed-father-Chelsy-Davys-newborn-baby-Eton-Prince-Harry.html)
Will Leo have the surname of Cutmore-Scott or Davy?
Dara made a post to celebrate Wolfie's birthday. Seems we have an answer to when his birthday is, April 19.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CcfpMFxMB3N/
Quote from: TLLK on February 12, 2022, 03:00:15 PM
The Queen granted Sir Roddy-Llewellyn the opportunity to privately visit burial vault located in St. George's Chapel Windsor that holds Princess Margaret's ashes on the twentieth anniversary of her death. IMO this was a very gracious and kind act as the vault holds the remains of their parents' King George VI and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Llewellyn had been Princess Margaret's boyfriend for several years in the 1970's and 1980's. Reportedly he's never publicly disclosed the details of their relationship.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Queen lets Princess Margaret's lover Roddy Llewellyn grieve in royal tomb | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10500485/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Queen-lets-Princess-Margarets-lover-Roddy-Llewellyn-grieve-royal-tomb.html)
Very touching!
It's being reported in the DM that Chelsy Davy is now married.
EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Prince Harry's ex Chelsy Davy and her Eton beau Sam Cutmore-Scott tie the knot | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10822563/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Prince-Harrys-ex-Chelsy-Davy-Eton-beau-Sam-Cutmore-Scott-tie-knot.html?offset=15&max=100&jumpTo=comment-846835071&reply=846835071#comment-846835071)
QuoteChelsy Davy split up with Prince Harry after a seven-year relationship because she didn?t want to be a royal bride.
But, happily, the former City lawyer has not been scared off marriage altogether.
I hear Chelsy, 36, has exchanged vows with hotelier Sam Cutmore-Scott, 37, who was in the year above Harry at Eton College.
?They are married,? a friend tells me. ?Very few people knew about the wedding.?
The couple decline to comment but Chelsy appears to have confirmed the news by sharing a photograph with friends of her wearing a wedding ring below her sapphire engagement sparkler.
Cressida Bonas is pregnant, according to the Daily Mail.
Prince Harry's ex-girlfriend Cressida Bonas is pregnant | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11046585/Prince-Harrys-ex-girlfriend-Cressida-Bonas-pregnant.html)
If the story is true then congratulations to Cressida and Harry on their first child.
Blooming lovely! Pregnant Cressida Bonas looks chic in a blue floral dress that skims over her baby bump as she walks her dog in sunny London
EMILY PRESCOTT: Prince Harry's old flame Cressida Bonas is blooming | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11200535/EMILY-PRESCOTT-Prince-Harrys-old-flame-Cressida-Bonas-blooming.html)
The Queen Consort's former husband Andrew Parker-Bowles was noted in the Court Circular as being the her representative at a funeral. Parker-Bowles is the cousin of the deceased who happened to be one of the late QEII's cousins as well.
Camilla's ex Andrew Parker Bowles represents Queen Consort at funeral of John Bowes-Lyon | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11332865/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-New-royal-role-Camillas-ex-represents-funeral.html)
QuoteThe news was recorded in the Court Circular, the official record of royal engagements.
?The Queen Consort was represented by Brigadier Andrew Parker Bowles,? it says of his attendance at the funeral of John Bowes-Lyon at the London Oratory. Bowes-Lyon, who died last month aged 80, was a second cousin of the late Queen.
Chelsy Davy shares first picture of baby son.
chelsydavy on Instagram: "?" (https://www.instagram.com/p/CkLM2kNsufC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
I?d almost forgotten Chelsy had a son. He looks blonde like her but that?s about all you can say. It?s a very modern photo of one?s infant, taken from the back and yards away!. I suppose it was taken by her husband.
Quote from: PrincessOfPeace on October 27, 2022, 05:34:24 PM
Chelsy Davy shares first picture of baby son.
chelsydavy on Instagram: "?" (https://www.instagram.com/p/CkLM2kNsufC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Aww he's beautiful.
James Hewitt has a new charity aimed at aiding Ukrainian refugees.
Princess Diana's 'Cad' lover James Hewitt, 64, risks life helping rescue locals in war-torn Ukraine | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11363221/Princess-Dianas-Cad-lover-James-Hewitt-64-risks-life-helping-rescue-locals-war-torn-Ukraine.html)
Pregnant Cressida Bonas wraps up warm in a grey check coat | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11364753/Pregnant-Cressida-Bonas-wraps-warm-grey-check-coat.html)
She's about to have her baby 🐣
Best wishes to Cressida and baby for a safe and easy delivery.
Cressida has given birth to her first child and was spotted walking with her husband Wentworth and their baby.
Prince Harry's ex-girlfriend Cressida Bonas gives birth to her first child | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11478873/Prince-Harrys-ex-girlfriend-Cressida-Bonas-gives-birth-child.html)
QuoteShe married Wentworth Stanley, who?s a partner in a property investment firm, in 2020. He?s the son of the Marchioness of Milford Haven.
Congratulations to the couple! The vast majority of the Pr Harry circle are now well and truly settled down including Chelsy, who took her time!
I think Harry WS is the stepson of the Marquess of Milford Haven (whose family name is Mountbatten) not the son. His parents divorced and then Harry?s mother married the Marquess.
From Tatler
Who is Cressida Bonas?s husband Harry Wentworth-Stanley | Tatler (https://www.tatler.com/article/harry-wentworth-stanley-cressida-bonass-fiance)
I don?t see it as being anybody else?s business what the sex or name of the couple?s child, but it would be nice if the baby is a boy and then Cressida and Harry could call him James after Harry?s dead brother. That was an awful tragedy. I remember reading about it at the time.
As usual there are are a few errors in the article. Pr Harry and Cressida were together for two years not three and if Cressida and her now husband were once called Water-Cress that?s news to me. I read loads about Cressida Bonas and her family and exes at the time and that story never came up. She herself was called WaterCress by people on SM who couldn?t stand her and made fun of her at every opportunity.
Rose Farquhar and George Gemmell had their winter wedding tonight.
DM pictures of Prince William and Guy Pelly
William attends wedding of former girlfriend Rose Farquhar for an evening of fun with friends | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11549631/William-attends-wedding-former-girlfriend-Rose-Farquhar-evening-fun-friends.html)
The bride looks lovely with the proper! winter wedding dress, the groom is in a kilt.
I have to say I LOVE Rose?s wedding dress. Elegant AND snug and cosy. And it isn?t necessary to always have a veil. This outfit shows it. But then I?m prejudiced. I had flowers in my hair for my first wedding in October in the early 1970s and nothing on my head except a nice hairdo for my second on a Aussie summer?s day nearly 23 years ago!
It is a lovely dress
Quote from: Curryong on December 17, 2022, 10:42:49 PM
I have to say I LOVE Rose?s wedding dress. Elegant AND snug and cosy. And it isn?t necessary to always have a veil. This outfit shows it. But then I?m prejudiced. I had flowers in my hair for my first wedding in October in the early 1970s and nothing on my head except a nice hairdo for my second on a Aussie summer?s day nearly 23 years ago!
It's a lovely winter gown and I wish there were more weddings during this season.
Prince Harry's ex Cressida Bonas details her IVF struggles after welcoming her first child | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11551747/Prince-Harrys-ex-Cressida-Bonas-details-IVF-struggles-welcoming-child.html)
Glad that Cressida and Harry were able to finally have their baby. It must have been a terrible time for them as they struggled to conceive.
Dara Huang (Edo Mappelli-Mozzi's former fiance and the mother of their child) has shared her views on son Wolfie attending school in the UK rather than the U.S.A and gun purchasing laws in the U.S.
Mother of Princess Beatrice's six-year-old stepson Wolfie 'glad' he is being sent to school in UK | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11578669/Mother-Princess-Beatrices-six-year-old-stepson-Wolfie-glad-sent-school-UK.html?ico=topics_pagination_desktop)
QuoteThe American mother of Princess Beatrice's stepson has voiced her relief that the six-year-old will be educated in Britain rather than America, where she fears he could have become yet another victim of a school shooting.
Dara Huang was engaged to interior designer Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, 39, before he married the King's niece Princess Beatrice, 34.
Miss Huang, an architect, voiced her gratitude that Christopher Woolf Mapelli Mozzi, or 'Wolfie' as he is known, is being educated in this country rather than her native America.
'I'm glad my son doesn't go to school in the USA,' Dara declared online. 'I can sleep at night knowing he won't die at his desk tomorrow morning.'
Her son has been welcomed warmly into the Royal Family, joining the King and Queen on their walk to church at Sandringham on Christmas Day.
I like her, a true independent woman, who knew how to 'use' her privilege. Her dad was a scientist at Nasa, upper middle class family, decided to get those grades to finish it at Harvard. Has worked for the top 10 architecture firms in the world, not 1 but 3. Raised in Florida, has kept Florida as her 'home' address.
I like her thoughts about guns in the USA, and despite her privilege and I'm sure she knows that 91% of the US population of students are registered in public schools, and she (her Taiwanese family) are the 9% of students/family that afford private school, speaks out about the situation in ref to the question about her son/UK living. School shooting 94 % public/6 % private.
What is the name of Cressida and Harry Wentworth Stanley's son?