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Title: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Windsor on January 14, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
From the looks of things, the Coronation of Prince Charles will feature this piece of music. http://goo.gl/HVGXD

Enjoy.  :king: :D
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Mariana Pazza on January 15, 2012, 03:15:59 PM
Long life the Queen!
:crown:
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Blue Clover on January 15, 2012, 09:42:34 PM
Handel's music is fit for a King!
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Eri on January 15, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
I don't get comments like "Long life The Queen"  :Lothwen: do we love her? Yes ...Is it a fact of life she will die as she is not immortal and he will became King? ABSOLUTELY People who dont ike the idea better get over it...
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Mariana Pazza on January 15, 2012, 11:46:58 PM
I heartly hope the prodigious Queen mother longevity be dominant in the Queen's genes and she can past her 100 yrs old birthday, maybe 105 years? God bless her  :clap: !
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: lilliann on January 16, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
I agree with Eri. seriously, what's the point of these comments? nobody said the coronation will be tomorrow and I'm sure nobody wants the Queen to die. but when it happens and Charles will be fit, this is the music that will play at the coronation
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 16, 2012, 12:54:41 AM
It's the Queen's Jubilee year. Why not look back on what was played at HER Coronation. Re: Charles' we'll cross that bridge when we come to it as the saying goes
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: lilliann on January 16, 2012, 01:39:24 AM
Royals plan their funerals for years, even decades. I would guess it's the same with their coronations - they might not do it because they necessrily wat to, but they arekind of obliged to be prepared just in case something happens
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: memememe on January 16, 2012, 02:40:31 AM
The Earl Marshal has the job of planning royal funerals and coronations and other state occasions.  It is part of his duties to regularly update the arrangement for these functions.

Even though coronations take place months, usually at least a year, after the previous monarch's death, some planning is done in advance.

As for this musical piece - considering that Handel has been played at every coronation since George II it certainly isn't beyond the realms of possibility that this piece, written for the Coronation of George II, will be used at the coronation of Charles - whenever that takes place.

The Queen had Handel at her coronation, along with lots of other music.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: PaulaB on January 16, 2012, 09:21:47 AM
Quote from: Mariana Pazza on January 15, 2012, 11:46:58 PM
I heartly hope the prodigious Queen mother longevity be dominant in the Queen's genes and she can past her 100 yrs old birthday, maybe 105 years? God bless her  :clap: !

If she reaches 100 does she send herself a birthday card to commemorate it?
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Trudie on January 17, 2012, 02:14:31 AM
I suppose they have to think about preparing for Charles coronation as I remember reading that since Queen Victoria reigned so long that when it was time for Edward VII to be crowned they had to dig into the royal archives to find out where to obtain the special oil for the anointing. I however don't want to think about Charles coronation at the moment, this is HM's special year her Diamond jubilee and any thoughts regarding Charles coronation not only are a bit premature but should not even be written about and taking a back seat to HM and Her celebrations.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 17, 2012, 07:02:48 PM
I read on another board thread that allegedly Kate and William don't want to "upstage" the Queen on her Jubilee year. THis is the QUeen's year. WHy not focus on looking back on her glorious reign. The time will come down the road to think about what Charles is having in his coronation. I hope there are no blurbs in the press (or "leaked to the press") about CHarles' coronation plans so HE won't upstage his mother--this is her jubilee after all.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sara8150 on January 18, 2012, 12:10:57 AM
If Queen Mother and King George VI would alives today but HM Queen Mother would be 112 years old and King George VI would be 117 years old but both would be proud of HM Queen Elizabeth II ruled as Monarchy for six decades..

mostly people who lives in London,England who remind of HM Queen's coronations in 1952 that year of my dad was born but my dad was born on November 1952 that same of Prince Charles's birthday..



Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Lothwen on January 18, 2012, 02:40:36 AM
Quote from: Eri on January 15, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
I don't get comments like "Long life The Queen"  :Lothwen: do we love her? Yes ...Is it a fact of life she will die as she is not immortal and he will became King? ABSOLUTELY People who dont ike the idea better get over it...

Totally agree with this Eri.  The Queen is human, and she will die one day, and the way things stand now, Charles will be King.  The Queen knows that Charles planning his coronation doesn't mean he wants her dead.  She probably thought about her own coronation years ago when she was a young woman.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: memememe on January 18, 2012, 04:42:24 AM
She may also be giving some advice - having been through it. 

I know she has been involved in the drawing up of the plans for her funeral, including the music, as has Philip for his so it wouldn't surprise me if she has also had some suggestions for Charles for his coronation.  After all it will be a huge day in the life of her beloved, eldest son and heir and she knows that she won't be alive to see it but having seen the plans will feel positive about that day that will take place after her death.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 18, 2012, 02:58:24 PM
Let the Queen enjoy her Jubilee year without thinking of the "glories" of Charles' Coronation. When the time comes Charles can have his Coronation and anniversaries of his own.

So as long as the Queen isn't "morbid" about thinking of Charles' coronation, maybe she could give her grandson more responsibilities so he will be prepared for the time when he becomes Prince of Wales and King. I see some criticism of posts saying that William will need to consider the time when he will need to take on more work (on incapacity of his father and grandmother), but it's OK to dwell on his papa's Coronation plans. Double standard perhaps?:

The Queen has a full schedule of activities this year and ceremonies too.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Eri on January 18, 2012, 04:47:44 PM
^Just because she has engagements this year doesn't mean she cant die what type of logic is that?  :lol: Look at what happened with her husband at Christmas ...her death could be 20 years from now it could be this week who knows  :shrug: I am sure who is in line to take her place (including Harry) know this and are prepared so I think Will will be just fine when his time comes.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 18, 2012, 06:36:35 PM
Long live the Queen. She's healthy and there is no reason to think she won't survive the Jubilee year. Right now she is the subject of the Jubilee. Let her enjoy it.  If the pessimistic attitude prevails, why not wonder if Charles will be around for his Coronation? :king:
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Lothwen on January 18, 2012, 06:40:09 PM
I'm sure they do.

And yes, this is the Queen's Jubilee year, and we should be focused on that.  But that doesn't mean that we forget that she is an 85-year-old woman, and you have to face facts that she may not be around much longer.

I have a question though.  What if the Queen were to develop Alzheimers, or something like that?  Could Charles be crowned, even if the Queen were still alive?
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 18, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
Let's get some perspective on this please. People live longer. 85 is no longer fatal. Look at Betty White turning 90 and she's as spry as ever! There are men who die in their sixties but it doesn't mean that Charles's "doomsday" is near.  Nobody has an expiration date that they are born with so it is not "known" how long anyone lives.

Everything is relative and people are all different. If the Queen got Alzheimers (which is doubtful at this point), Charles would be Regen t. If Charles as King  gets Alzheimers, William would be Regent. George III had his son George as Prince Regent.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Trudie on January 18, 2012, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Eri on January 18, 2012, 04:47:44 PM
^Just because she has engagements this year doesn't mean she cant die what type of logic is that?  :lol: Look at what happened with her husband at Christmas ...her death could be 20 years from now it could be this week who knows  :shrug: I am sure who is in line to take her place (including Harry) know this and are prepared so I think Will will be just fine when his time comes.

So are you going to be happy when Charles finally gets the throne? You sound quite unhappy that HM is still on the throne and having a jubilee 60 at that. I for one do not like to think about someone dying just to please the successors fans especially when HM is still robust and extremely sharp.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Bensgal on January 18, 2012, 10:56:43 PM
As memememe pointed out, the Queen very well may give advice about the future coronations of Charles and for that matter, William. I seriously doubt, too, the Queen would allow this talk of or planning for Charles' coronation dampen the celebration of her Jubilee year as the talk or planning for the event has gone on for years. It's not something sprung on her now.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Windsor on January 18, 2012, 11:03:54 PM
I'll begin to post music in a new thread to celebrate not only the Diamond Jubilee, but the Monarchy in general.  :D
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: cinrit on January 18, 2012, 11:32:45 PM
Quote from: Trudie on January 18, 2012, 10:43:00 PM
So are you going to be happy when Charles finally gets the throne? You sound quite unhappy that HM is still on the throne and having a jubilee 60 at that. I for one do not like to think about someone dying just to please the successors fans especially when HM is still robust and extremely sharp.   

Sounds like a new twist on things.  So, there's no need for William to hurry and move back to London and become a full-time Royal, since the Queen (and then Charles) will reign for a very long time.  Just as I've been saying all along.  :thumbsup:

Cindy
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Trudie on January 19, 2012, 01:45:48 AM
No new twist on things Cindy Charlies Cheerleaders can wait for as far as I am concerned for his coronation. I just find it totally distasteful that a woman who has reigned for 60 years with dignity and grace not to mention puttting duty above all else have her jubilee competeting with plans for a coronation of a successor who puts himself and his needs first even to the point of living grander then the monarch herself. HM has always been selfless unlike her heir who thought nothing of bringing as big a disgrace on the monarchy as his predecessor.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 19, 2012, 01:53:23 AM
I agree Trudie. And William eventually stepping up  to do more royal duties is not the same as the Queen's heir having Coronation info "leaked" or people thinking ahead to Charles' Coronation as his mother celebrates 60 years on the throne. I don't think William should be mothballed nor find t offensive if he takes on more royal duties. I thnk the Queen likes to see her children and grandchildren pitch in and I don't see how she would mind if her grandson steps up royal duties. I wonder how Charles will feel if down the road his son puts out Coronation blurbs while Charles is still King. Charles Ii think likes being the center of attention
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: memememe on January 19, 2012, 02:43:30 AM
I have followed this thread, including the original link - which is to a piece of music used at George II's coronation with a comment
QuoteFrom the looks of things, the Coronation of Prince Charles will feature this piece of music


I haven't seen anything that says that this is Charles putting out information/plans about his coronation - which have been on the drawing board at the office of the Earl Marshal's since 1952 by the way - Elizabeth had enough of the oil made for her coronation made for Charles' as well - but only enough for two was made.  So Elizabeth, as early as her own coronation was planning and preparing for Charles'.

This is more about you, Sandy, reading more into the thread than is there - Windsor posted a link to music used at George II's coronation and suddenly this is Charles putting out information about his coronation.

Sure some details of what has been planned has come out in the past - but not in this thread.

In 2004 the Earl Marshal (the Dukes of Norfolk hold that position by hereditary right and they plan funerals, coronations etc) said that he was going to review the plans in early 2005 for the Queen's funeral and Charles' accession ceremonies - which have to be planned to come into force any day now or in 20 years time.  They will be reviewed a number more times and when Charles is King he will be doing his funeral and William's accession ceremonies and coronation.  It is the normal process within a family where every day is planned months, if not years, in advance. 
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Lothwen on January 19, 2012, 08:31:53 AM
I agree mememememe (I may have put an extra "me" in there by mistake :teehee:)

All that's happened here is a suggestion of a song that may or may not play at Charles' coronation.  That's it.  And now suddenly we're saying things like "Long Live the Queen" and "Charles is selfish"?!  Where did that come from?

Charles has been the heir from the day he was born.  His coronation has probably been planned for decades.  Accepting that doesn't mean we want the Queen to die.  I personally hope she reaches her 100th birthday in as good of shape as she is in today.  But I also know that life happens and the royal family has to deal with the fact that when she passes there will be a new head of the family, and that will be Charles. 
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Bensgal on January 19, 2012, 09:04:50 AM
^^How true, Lothwen. I've not found any published articles that detail Charles' coronation plans yet, it's common knowledge and common practice for future ceremonies, etc., to be planned and sometimes rehearsed by the RF.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: wannable on January 19, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
Handel's music, opera and oratorio performances is lovely, his ties/relationship with the British Royals during his time -- making himself a legend, buried in Westminster Abbey, makes it even more fitting for a 'coronation'.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Windsor on January 19, 2012, 02:00:55 PM
Plans for the next coronation have been in place for years now. It is nothing new. :wink:
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 19, 2012, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: memememe on January 19, 2012, 02:43:30 AM
I have followed this thread, including the original link - which is to a piece of music used at George II's coronation with a comment
QuoteFrom the looks of things, the Coronation of Prince Charles will feature this piece of music


I haven't seen anything that says that this is Charles putting out information/plans about his coronation - which have been on the drawing board at the office of the Earl Marshal's since 1952 by the way - Elizabeth had enough of the oil made for her coronation made for Charles' as well - but only enough for two was made.  So Elizabeth, as early as her own coronation was planning and preparing for Charles'.

This is more about you, Sandy, reading more into the thread than is there - Windsor posted a link to music used at George II's coronation and suddenly this is Charles putting out information about his coronation.

Sure some details of what has been planned has come out in the past - but not in this thread.

In 2004 the Earl Marshal (the Dukes of Norfolk hold that position by hereditary right and they plan funerals, coronations etc) said that he was going to review the plans in early 2005 for the Queen's funeral and Charles' accession ceremonies - which have to be planned to come into force any day now or in 20 years time.  They will be reviewed a number more times and when Charles is King he will be doing his funeral and William's accession ceremonies and coronation.  It is the normal process within a family where every day is planned months, if not years, in advance. 


Charles has given out his plans. He wants to be Defender of Faith for one thing came directly from him. And the various Coronation details from Charles as well. Check the literature and see for yourself.  Since Charles is hands on about the plans I think the 1952 plans have changed for obvious reasons. Charles wants his Coronation to have reps from "all faiths" and be known as Defender of the Faiths--which I very much doubt was part of the 1952 plans, but come from Charles himself.

Well Charles in future may  have to deal with the blurbs about William's coronation. There must be more oil ready for William, the monarchy won't stop with Charles.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Sandor on January 19, 2012, 03:37:47 PM
It seems only natural to me that there should be speculation about Charles' coronation.
As someone mentioned, it doesn't mean that anyone wishes the Queen to die.

But, realistically, she is in her mid-eighties, and, although she may prove as long-lived as her mother did, not many make it that long.
No one is immortal, and why wait until the inevitable happens and things are cast into chaos?
Naturally there must be a plan for a smooth transition.  JMO.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 19, 2012, 04:00:17 PM
Nobody is saying that Coronation plans are not put in place. The point is that this is the Queen's Jubilee year and her year, not her son's. There are no signs of her being in ill health so let's leave it at that...
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: lilliann on January 19, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
I think Charles is doing nothing to steal his mother's spotlight. just because some piece of info is published about Charles (William/Kate/Harry/anyone else from the family) they are not trying to overshadow HM. or should everyone in the world forget royals other than the Queen even exist?
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Eri on January 19, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
As usual some Diana fans take things to a whole new level let's face it they are only screaming "Long life the Queen" because they can't bare the thought of him being King not because they have any particular "love"for the woman ...they take things into a whole new level because they put words into your mouth and pretend to read your mind without even knowing you they don't realize that I couldn't care one way or the other and this doesn't effect me as much as it seems it does them I was just saying that no matter what we don't know when someone could die hell...William or Bea could die before their grandmother we don't know I didn't mean anything else other than the above and I would like for my words to not be twisted to create an argument thanks  :flower:.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 19, 2012, 06:10:57 PM
Diana's name did not even come up. This is about Charles vis a vis the Queen during her Jubilee year.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Trudie on January 19, 2012, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: Eri on January 19, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
As usual some Diana fans take things to a whole new level let's face it they are only screaming "Long life the Queen" because they can't bare the thought of him being King not because they have any particular "love"for the woman ...they take things into a whole new level because they put words into your mouth and pretend to read your mind without even knowing you they don't realize that I couldn't care one way or the other and this doesn't effect me as much as it seems it does them I was just saying that no matter what we don't know when someone could die hell...William or Bea could die before their grandmother we don't know I didn't mean anything else other than the above and I would like for my words to not be twisted to create an argument thanks  :flower:.

This has nothing to do with Diana or her fans no one has even brought up her name. Yes anyone could die tomorrow but the point here is that this is The Queens shining moment Her jubilee and talk about Charles coronation is not just a bit premature but HM is in good health until we have heard that she has taken ill speculation on Charles coronation whether it be music or how many will officiate and who from the COE besides the AOC is IMO distasteful. Everyone knows plans are always in place for Funerals, coronations etc. Even News broadcasters are advised to have a black tie on hand in case they have the unfortunate position of broadcasting the demise of a member of the RF especially the Monarch.

I would appreciate that Charles fans stop turning every post into those who loved Diana as those who twist things regarding Charles . We all know he will be crowned but we also want to rightfully celebrate the Queen and her fabulous long reign not her impending death we know she is mortal thank you very much.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Eri on January 19, 2012, 09:02:32 PM
^You said it  :shrug: plans are made in case of her death down to the tie the reporter who reports her death will wear and we don't know  when she is going to die so I don't see how this is disrespectful  plus how is this Charles fault people are interested how his Coronation will be given her age? People know the time nears and are interested just like when Charles will be 84 people will start thinking about King William it's NATURAL not DISRESPECTFUL it's obvious people all over the world LOVE The Queen but given her age it only comes natural to think of the feature beyond her.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Trudie on January 19, 2012, 11:11:37 PM
It is disrespectful IMO until the jubilee is over or as I have said HM has taken ill. I know it is natural to think of the future without her given her age but can we just at least get past her jubilee before satisfying those who's curiosity into a future coronation and all that goes into it are discussed. For all we know the next coronation will be Williams.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: memememe on January 20, 2012, 01:12:12 AM
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Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 20, 2012, 02:06:07 AM
I think when the time comes, people will be discussing Charles' Coronation and it will be in all the media and the press. But IMO why think about what he's going to do at this moment with the Queen alive and well.  Actually the Coronations of Elizabeth and George VI did not take place right after the respectve previous monarchs passed away or abdicated. George VI's was in May 1937 some months after his brother abdicated. Elizabeth became Queen in 1952 but her Coronation took place more than a year later. Giving ample time for stories about the coming Coronation. I expect Charles' would be planned some months later and there would be media saturation of the impending event. So what's the rush?
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: memememe on January 20, 2012, 02:33:34 AM
Ask Windsor, the original poster who posted a link to a piece of music.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Eri on January 20, 2012, 06:57:55 AM
I hope Prince Charles becomes King not because I am in love with or something :hehe: but because :

1.What went down in his private life has NOTHING to do with the fact he will be  great King .

2.William doesn't seem ready or willing to take that role he is a part time royal it would b horrible if he became King without any transition I think that given that Prince Charles will be an old King William as Prince of Wales will be a vice King anyway that role wold really help him.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 20, 2012, 02:10:57 PM
I don't think it would be ":horrible" if William became King early. His grandmother did and it wasn't "horrible." He went to Uni, he was born heir to the heir, he has the background and he is smart. If he doesn't become King early then he needs to support his father --as Prince of Wales and that's not exactly a free ride--he would be expected to work and give up the military stint. If there is something "lacking" in William's preparation it is up to his father and grandmother to help him get prepared and he could retire from being in the military sooner rather than later.  If William is not "ready" or "able" or doesn't like the prospect of it  then maybe he should turn over the franchise to Harry.  But I think this is what he was born to do and he's not "backward" or anything.  ANd not everybody adores Charles--they will accept him as King but I don't think people forget what happened. And it is in his backstory.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Trudie on January 20, 2012, 02:34:15 PM
I agree with you Sandy William in some form has been prepared. I remember reading that when he was a student at Eton every Sunday he would go to Windsor for tea with the Queen who would impart some history of the monarchy on him as well as seeing how he was getting on with his studies. William is close to the Queen and PP and Charles probably has prepared him for the role of Prince of Wales as well.
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: Eri on January 20, 2012, 03:24:52 PM
I don't "love"  :lmao2: Prince Charles either I just think that at the time being if the Queen dies he would be a better King than William who just doesn't seem to even want to be a full time Royal let alone be a King I do blame The Queen and Prince Charles for it they both became Queen and Prince of Wales when they were 21 and worked very hard all their lives seems to me they didn't want that for William add that to the fact his mother died when he was 15 they pampered him and made him work shy seems to me he will stay in the shadows as long as he can not a good quality for a King but I do think that being Prince of Wales first would make it easier for him when he becomes King because that role has a lot of work and responsibilities and that would help him gear up for the "top job" ...as for Princess Elizabeth she was the HEIR of a sick man of course she was ready to become Queen  :wink: while William is heir TO THE HEIR two totally different situations .
Title: Re: Coronation of Prince Charles
Post by: sandy on January 20, 2012, 03:46:37 PM
Nobody at this stage knows how "good" either of them will be. I don't think either will  wreck the monarchy to put it mildly--each monarch has a different style. I wouldn't say William is "work shy"--he seems to have an aversion at times to press attention. Nobody knows at this point how this will all work out since the future can't be predicted. I don't think Elizabeth was exactly "ready" to become Queen--she went on a trip with Phlip and fully expected from what I read to return to see her father again (he died while she was away of course). She was fully prepared but George wasn't always sick (he was King for about 11 years before he had any health issues). He had a severe health issue ca. 1948 and seemingly was "cured" but a few years later his health deteriorated. As I mentioned William is 29 and logically should pick up some of the work from his grandmother and father even if Charles hasn't become King as yet.