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Prince Harry / Harry to Copenhagen on 10/25-26)
« Last post by TLLK on Today at 11:00:04 PM »
 Kensington Palace‏ @KensingtonRoyal 26

Prince Harry will undertake a two day visit to Copenhagen, Denmark on the 25th and 26th October.


"KENSINGTON PALACE
PRINCE HARRY WILL VISIT COPENHAGEN
Prince Harry will undertake a two-day visit to Copenhagen, Denmark on 25th and 26th October. This visit is at the request of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
The two-day programme will focus on the young people of Copenhagen. His Royal Highness is looking forward to spending time with entrepreneurs, young community leaders, and meeting individuals who are using sports for social development.
Prince Harry's first official visit to Denmark will include an audience with Her Majesty The Queen, and an opportunity to meet veterans, including some of the recently returned Danish Invictus Games team. His Royal Highness will also attend a reception hosted by Her Majesty's Ambassador to Denmark.
Full details of this visit will be announced in due course."
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Diana Princess of Wales / Re: Diana & Charles' Courtship
« Last post by TLLK on Today at 10:53:07 PM »
All that does not change the fact: neither Charles nor Diana knew or loved one another. Their courtship was a series of staggered and staged events in which each party pretended to be what they were not. Upon marriage, all was exposed and hence the collapse.

You can only work on a marriage with the right fundamentals. For example, if a couple cease communicating, become distant or suffer from some sexual dysfunction. Therapy cannot activate a relationship that does not exist, has never exist and will never exist. C&D were not some golden couple in love whose relationship was destroyed by an ambitious mistress. They were two needy and ill-suited people who had a disastrous marriage and relationship that did a lot of damage to the parties, their families and the institution of monarchy.
Btw you keep mentioning that "two wives joke" @sandy. That was a joke and everybody laughed about it. Indeed Charles had just praised her for her impact on the Welsh people in that speech. It is a gross misrepresentation to say it was a put down of Diana. If Diana took it as an insult, it just goes to show that they did not even share a sense of humor.

@royalanthropologist -I don't believe that there were any physical issues that would have led to "sexual dysfunction" with the Wales' marriage, but Diana did speak of her own dissatisfaction with their sex life to Peter Settelen.

In one of the most controversial sections of the tapes, Diana reportedly says that Charles didn’t require much of her when it came to their sex life.

“Once every three weeks about and I kept thinking it followed a pattern,” she said.


At some point in time after Harry's birth we are all aware that both Charles and Diana embarked on their own love affairs outside of their marriage.
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Yes Harry does look happy and jolly. He usually does though when meeting military families and wounded and maimed soldiers and their helpers. He had several engagements today in the lead up to tomorrow's opening of the IG.

Trust the British tabloids to harp on about Meghan, though. Harry has constantly said for years that the Games shouldn't be about him and his part in forming them, but must be all about the athletes who compete.

I don't expect Meghan to appear at the Games itself by Harry's side. At least, if she is wise she shouldn't, considering the faux shrieks of outrage coming from the Twitter crowd etc, following the VF interview.

She has daily filming commitments with Suits throughout this month and until the end of November. So, if we see Meghan at all at the IG, IMO it may well be in the public stands on the weekend, away from Harry. She might, just might, appear at an evening function at which Harry's present, or they could be seen going to dinner somewhere in Toronto during the week in the evening hours.

There's an outside chance perhaps that Meghan may be there for the closing ceremony, but I'll be surprised if they sit together for it. However, I've been surprised before about many things about Harry, who specialises in the unexpected, so who knows!
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Prince Harry Is All Smiles Ahead of His First Public Appearance with Meghan Markle in Toronto
Prince Harry in Toronto for Invictus Games

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Something to smile about, Harry? Beaming Prince arrives in Toronto for the Invictus Games - and his much-anticipated first public appearance with Meghan Markle
Prince Harry arrives in Toronto for the Invictus Games | Daily Mail Online

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Prince Harry arrives in Toronto for Invictus Games 2017 - but where is Meghan Markle
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle due to attend Invictus Games in Toronto | Royal | News | Express.co.uk
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Diana Princess of Wales / Re: Diana & Charles' Courtship
« Last post by sandy on Today at 06:49:21 PM »
And Charles proposed to her. Diana could not. He made the call. And he set the schedule for the courtship which Diana had no control over except if she turned down his requests for dates. Unfortunately, she fell for him.  Yes, Diana understood the hold Camilla had over the Charles on the honeymoon. As she walked out of the Cathedral with Charles she told Morton she thought re: Camilla "well that's over." It wasn't and Diana was naive enough to believe that it would be over.

There are no stories of "sexual dysfunction" between Charles and Diana. None. They functioned in the early days of the marriage, over three years.  Until Charles dropped her for Camilla.

The ambitious mistress did not help matters. And was a symptom of Charles attitude towards marriage and relationships with women. He was "spoiled" by his friends Tryon and Parker Bowles who allowed Charles to sleep with their wives. he thought because of who he was Diana would cater to him too and make  nice with Camilla. Charles should have spelled it all out to Lady Diana.

Diana did not laugh at the "joke." She looked very uncomfortable. In the documentaries, this was noted as not being funny but a manifestation of Charles jealousy of his wife. And considering that Camilla was around the two wives remark was in poor taste. And there were no cameras on the audience so nobody saw the expressions on the faces of those watching or if people laughed. Some sycophants might  have laughed.

It was not in Wales BTW this was during the 1983 Canadian tour. Charles was more restrained during the tour of Wales in 1981
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I did not say that. I just stated a fact. And no way would William and Harry be disrespectful of her and vice versa.
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Who said Camilla would have any problem paying deference to the new king or that the new king would abuse that deference? The BRF knows how to behave during and after a transition. They are not some emotional fuse boxes that try to settle old grudges just because someone is widowed.
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Diana Princess of Wales / Re: Diana & Charles' Courtship
« Last post by royalanthropologist on Today at 05:14:11 PM »
All that does not change the fact: neither Charles nor Diana knew or loved one another. Their courtship was a series of staggered and staged events in which each party pretended to be what they were not. Upon marriage, all was exposed and hence the collapse.

You can only work on a marriage with the right fundamentals. For example, if a couple cease communicating, become distant or suffer from some sexual dysfunction. Therapy cannot activate a relationship that does not exist, has never exist and will never exist. C&D were not some golden couple in love whose relationship was destroyed by an ambitious mistress. They were two needy and ill-suited people who had a disastrous marriage and relationship that did a lot of damage to the parties, their families and the institution of monarchy.

Btw you keep mentioning that "two wives joke" @sandy. That was a joke and everybody laughed about it. Indeed Charles had just praised her for her impact on the Welsh people in that speech. It is a gross misrepresentation to say it was a put down of Diana. If Diana took it as an insult, it just goes to show that they did not even share a sense of humor.
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Only one person made the light hearted comment which was dismissed soon after.

I said Camilla would be treated well and Charles will provide for her should he die first.

William and Harry always have been polite to Camilla.

Camilla would need to show deference to William since he would be the one at the top as King (if Charles predeceases Camilla) not the other way around.

The staircase story has been beaten to death. We are talking two different topic. It's another case of Diana did this or that. It does not IMO excuse what C and C did.
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Diana Princess of Wales / Re: Diana & Charles\\\' Courtship
« Last post by sandy on Today at 04:39:42 PM »
Charles has his pals do the dirty work. Nasty stories were leaked in the eighties before the Morton book. Charles friends blabbed to the press and Camilla was giving "her side" to the Sun Editor. Junor met with Charles and Camilla about her Camilla biography which IMO did show C and C's mindset. Not accepting any responsibility and trashing a dead woman.

Why is it that faithful committed partners in a marriage allegedly "live" a fairy tale. Marriage takes work an it is not someone waving a magic wand at them.  Charles idea of marriage IMO was a fractured fairy tale, with two women competing for him an the wife expected to "play nice." His idea of the fairy tale IMO was Parker Bowles being civilized about sharing his wife. CHarles did not "help" Diana he eroded her self esteem with put downs. A decent man would stop seeing or contacting the other woman. Charles had no trouble ditching Kanga Tryon when he was done with her.

Charles is the biggest whinger of all and HE plays victim all the time. The Junor and DImbleby  and Smith books describe poor poor Charles and oh how he suffered. HE trashed his own parents via DImbleby. Yet he is "trying to help" DIana. Trying to help himself more like it IMO.

CHarles should have thought of all this when he thought his little domestic arrangements would be OK with his first wife. And not apprising her of the said arrangement before he proposed so she could leave the scene. The man just had to have those heirs.


I disagree with @Trudie on this
"Diana fell in love with the man who courted her made her think she was special and the woman for him".

There were plenty of incidents that indicated to Diana in no uncertain terms that this man was in love with Camilla and not her. These incidents happened before, during and after the marriage. She herself documented them. Charles did not make her feel special at all in the run up to the courtship. He would disappear for weeks, write love letters to Camilla, exchange tokens of love and pledge undying love to her. How someone can feel special and the woman for Charles after that is beyond me. A bride who is feeling special does not consider breaking off an engagement a few hours before the wedding.

In terms of emotional abuse, it is a two-way street. Diana did things in that marriage that can be considered to be emotional abuse. Couples that are divorcing or breaking up behave badly to one another.  That is why no serious court ever passes judgement based solely on the accounts of an aggrieved spouse. They will do everything to put the spouse that has left them in a bad light so everything they say about the marriage must be taken with a pinch of salt.

I also refuse to believe that an incredibly privileged woman is a symbol of domestic abuse. She was not and has never been. All she did was document the bad things her husband did (conveniently saying nothing about the bad things she did apart from the vague 50% blame). I am sure Charles has stories to tell about the abuse in that marriage.

Your comment about Diana refusing to be molded into a step ford wife demonstrates perfectly yet another area in which the couple had unrealistic expectations of each other. Diana wanted the romantic hero whilst Charles wanted the mature supportive wife. That was never going to happen on either side.

@sandy. Like I said before, a proposal is not a command. You can say yes or no. Diana had the choice and chose yes despite all she knew or did not know. The fact that someone has proposed to you does not mean that  you blame them for your decision to accept as in "he should not have proposed to me". Diana was of age and could say yes or no. She made her choice.

Charles sweet talked her IMO. He did not go around saying well I don't love you Diana I love Camilla. He even gave her that note the night before the wedding. Diana trusted CHarles and thought him honorable.

Charles should not have proposed to her if he did not love her. So why is Diana exclusively blamed for accepting? Charles is  given a free pass for proposing and DIana is castigated for saying yes? I don't get it.

Charles followed his great Uncle's advice,marry a woman of no experience. He found DIana filled the bill. If he wanted someone "sophisticated" perhaps Camilla would not approve. After all Anna Wallace was more sophisticated and Camilla saw her off.

There are witnesses to Charles putting his wife down in public and crowing in 1983 he needed "two wives" to an audience.

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^ First of all royalanthropologist the fact that you refuse to see that even a privileged woman as a symbol of abuse shows IMO just how unaware and narrow minded you are. During the courtship before any engagement most couples at least try to show interest in the hobbies and pursuits of the other person Diana did this Charles didn't. The advise Charles was given by Mountbatten was to indeed mould a young girl with no experience again shows Charles had no desire to make a real long term commitment to marriage if that was the case he wouldn't have had Camilla hanging around. Yes Diana wanted a romantic hero and back in the day that was what all us young ladies wanted. Charles if he wanted a mature supportive wife should have kept looking for some aristo a few years older Diana was supportive of Charles but at 19 it didn't take much to notice that Diana was young for her age and had basically led a sheltered life as all the young aristo ladies did. For a man of such maturity and intellectual capabilities why he couldn't see the immaturity in Diana from the beginning again shows that Charles was desperate to marry for heirs only but since Diana looked good on paper she had to do.  The fact is both were ill suited to each other and if the courtship had been allowed to go on longer both would have realized they were wrong for each other.

Judging by Camilla clinging to Charles and dancing with him all night so he ignored his then girlfriend Anna Wallace, shows her mind set. Wallace was a sophisticated woman and would have been a threat to Camilla. Camilla approved of the young Diana and played the "mentor" to her and this shows her mindset too. Camilla would have seen off anybody she had seen as a threat. ANd Charles was stupid enough to rely on Camilla for help on selecting a bride.

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Charles was also too stupid to realize Camilla had her own agenda. And asking a married lover what woman he should marry shows that Charles is missing some brain cells IMO.
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