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You know what I mean, her face was on the handbook for goodness sake  :lol: yes, I think both the idea of idle women waiting to marry doing silly jobs has gone the way of coming our parties, etc.

Besides most of what would be the current crop of English Sloanes have been priced out of the area.
The fact that some people standing in crowds to see the Prince and Princess of Wales (on occasions in cold and wet conditions) were impolite thirty years ago does not make them 'cultists'.

I think the truism that Sally Bedell Smith quoted, that people naturally prefer to see a beautiful, glamorous and vibrant young woman over a man in a suit says it all really.

 It was Charles's reaction to it that added greatly to the poisonous atmosphere of the Wales's marriage. If Charles had developed a sense of humour about it, if he had attempted to truly understand what ordinary people saw in his wife, things might have been very very different.

Instead he acted as if his wife was the enemy and her adoring public blinded to HIS qualities. He exhibited forms of petulance, vanity, resentment and grievance that is IMO far beyond normal, but is explainable by the fact that his household, his friends, his aides, have had to agree with him and follow his wishes all his adult life.

When some people (and only some) in those crowds reacted by not treating him with the huge respect he felt he deserved, he reacted like a toddler, with 'nobody likes me, everybody hates me' syndrome more typical among small children.

Is that the way a usual adult male in his 30's should behave? Who was the baby, Charles or his infant son? It's quite clear that in that first huge Aussie tour he took his resentments out on Diana when they were alone and she became upset.

I don't think thtat it is clear at al.  I think Charles did get a bit upset over the crowds and the press adoring and chasing after Diana.  its hardly odd, that he would. He had been POW on his own and doing a good job for eyars, he ahad been the one who got a fair bt  of attention.  Now it was all going to a girl who so far had not done very much, as she was very young, but who was adored because she was sweet and pretty. I think he was cross, he did problaby show temper a bit with Diana, but IMO if he was angrily resentful, it was more to do with the fact that the Diana he knew was a much more difficult and less "Sweet" one than the crowds knew.  However from what I've seen and read, he may have been a bit annoyed and shown it at times, but he hardly "took it all out" on Diana.  As I recall, there were letters he wrote to friends  which showed him as very concerned for his wife, knowing that the press might adore her one day and then cool on her..
And there were letters SHE wrote to friends saying that when they got a bit of time together with William they were happy and having a good time. So I don't buy this "Charles was a big monster" who was unknd to her. If he had some ill temper I suspect it was because in the 2 years or so they were married, he was only too well aware that his wife was very fragile emotionally, that she was a lot mrore stormy and diffuclt  with him in private than she was wit the public and I think it is  understandable that he may have felt at times "OK so they adore her, and are ignoring me but if they saw her in a tantrum or making herself sick they might feel differently."

He should have realized that Diana was the "shiny new penny" of the moment, and that with her being so different than the royals, she was going to be a hit with the public, im assuming he or his staff read the papers and such in explaining her appeal. While it might have knocked his ego a bit, he could have done the walkabouts with the two of them on the same side of the street, would have solved the  problem, although it would have taken twice as long.

Charles got quite upset over Dianas popularity with it coming out in public digs about her, and while it was more to do than just the popularity, they had blazing rows, both at highgrove and KP, but even at Althorp they practically demolished a room during one row there, both of them breaking furniture, throwing things, he pushed her and she kicked at him at a polo match, etc.

Dianas popularity was more than her being pretty and sweet, she had a charisma and warmth that drew people in. A big part of her having any differences in the way she was publicly was due to Charles behaviors, making her believe that her marriage was a sham with her husband loving someone else. Not to mention the time away, the lack of affection, etc. Diana was expected to almost be like a pet, trotted out on occasion, bear a few kids, but be seen and not heard, and be self contained and able to not need Charles around unless it suited him.

They both wrote letters trying to paper over the issues with the marriage, as im sure they knew they could be leaked to the press, sold at auction, etc. Charles also wrote that the marriage felt like a cul-de-sac in which he felt trapped.

Most of Charles problems were of his own doing, and the RF. He expected her to know the job right away, got very little support and encouragement, and in the span of a year went from fairly unknown to the most photographed woman on earth, wife, mother, member of the royal family, all at age 20.

Charles was used to older people and just didnt have a lot of empathy for what she was going through, because I think he didnt love her very much. I think a lot of her emotional fragility and stormy nature in rows would have been greatly avoided if he was keen to have her around.

I used to wonder how at age 11 in 1980 I could see she was someone who needed lots of TLC, attention and support and my god she could sure inspire one to want to give all that to her, how could he have missed that. Would have it been so bad to spend the odd evening letting her rest her head on his shoulder and tell him her troubles? Also she could make most people want to give that to her by the carload. Thats why the crowds became such an issue and why she fed off them and it just became a feedback loop that drove the two of them further apart.

Also he was so used to everyone deferring to him, he hadnt expected hed have a willful wife like most men have (not to knock women, but how many wives of average joe's call their husband "sir" ) add to that whether real or imagined, he gave her the idea that the rug had been pulled out from under her on the dream of a happy marriage, and he was bound to have problems with her, or any wife.

Princess Alexandra will undoubtedly hope to participate in all Alexandra Rose Days. However, she is an old lady, (over 80,) and has experienced a lot of bad health over the past year or so.

Also, at least for senior and the more high profile royals-- The Queen, Charles and Camilla, the Cambridges, Harry--their offices at BP, KP, CH have taken to often not announcing their engagements and arrangements until just before they happen, or not at all as with the Queen's surprise visit to Manchester yesterday to see the victims of the terrorist bombing there. I'm not sure that this will cover minor royals such as the Gloucesters and Kents, but it may very well do so to a certain extent, and with the nation on high alert that's likely to continue for the foreseeable future, IMHO. 

(On another note, I've also noticed that the official website that takes note of engagements of the BRF has been neglected since it was redesigned late last year. A lot of engagements for all members of the royal family haven't been recorded for February when it's known that they did indeed carry them out (photos in the newspapers, etc) and some dates in May are missing as well. If the staff at the Palaces and at CH have decided to have such a new 'improved' website, (and they did)  then keep the darn thing accurate and up to date, I say, 'cos it's no use to man nor beast the way it is.)
Residences & Architecture / Re: The Prince of Wales Investiture
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The Coronet of Charles, Prince of Wales was produced by a committee under Antony Armstrong-Jones, 1st Earl of Snowdon, then husband of Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon.
Has it been announced if Princess Alexandra will participate in Alexandra Rose Day in 2017?
Queen Elizabeth II visited the injured at the children's hospital. 
Manchester Attack: HM The Queen visits victims in hospital - YouTube
Queen Elizabeth I told the English Parliament, "We princes are set as it were upon stages in the sight and view of the world."
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